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Obama, no merci beaucoup

Let’s hear a little Zydeco from Poor James and the Swamp Crows. (H/T Pumalliance)*

* We believe in a progressive tax policy, using less fossil fuel and an efficiently run government because good government never goes out of style.  But, hey, the tune is catchy and with a little tune up of the lyrics, even RD the Chemist can sing along.

225 Responses

  1. Betucha the CPA agrees!

  2. Is this an open thread?

  3. Johninca, sure, you can comment on whatever you like.

  4. In that case, I read this WallStreetJournal article this morning. Seems even the One’s own advisors aren’t appreciative of his great work, or shall we say, ideas (although they won’t admit it NOW, but did earlier in the year):


    In part: “Even so, Mr. Obama’s tactics are especially cynical because his own health-care advisers support plans much like Mr. McCain’s. Or at least they did before joining up with Mr. Obama. Put simply, the McCain plan seeks to remedy a distortion in the health-care market that economists have spent decades begging politicians to fix: The tax code subsidizes insurance only if it is provided through employers.

    A Good Read – Is anyone listening in this country, I wonder?

  5. Hi all, delurking to ask some help:

    Just got my absentee ballot (Texas). After much soul searching would like to write in Hillary, then vote for every woman on the rest of the ballot, regardless of party affiliation. My understanding is that my write-in for Hill will not “count,” but that the vote will also not go to Obama. Is this the same info my fellow Texan-PUMAs have gleaned? If the write-in is not a good/safe idea, then I will vote McCain/Palin, who will easily carry Texas, regardless. What I will NOT do is vote Obama/Biden. Period. That has been my pledge since I joined PUMA months ago.

    The time is here. The time is now.


  6. nv swing: that’s why I’m a Gynocrat now. The assault on women has to stop. Period.

  7. Forgot the ?

  8. Good for you Magda, I was a Texas resident once. After Florida 2000, I don’t believe in write-ins and third party votes. Many Texans voted for Nader,and in New Hampshire where I lived they did there.

    i am voting for McCain. I have no problem with that. This election is too important and with voter fraud in Texas now. i would not take the chance of underestimating “THE ONE”

  9. RD, thank you. You have a link to Anglachel, and I read her blog and she says the following:

    “Alegre and Red Queen have recent posts up about the basic fact that rape is a problem with men. It is something you men evidently enjoy doing and don’t really want to see stop happening…

    Two kinds of people write like this: thugs and lunatics. Rape is something that we men, according to her, evidently enjoy doing and don’t really want to see happening.

    Excuse me. My country is being turned into a living hell, I’m praying my head off and this feminist thug, who acts like she just got a recess appointment to be God’s private secretary, tells me that rape is something I enjoy doing.

    I feel like I was raped just reading her post.

    I also noticed some anti-Catholic comments recently. I suppose I should expect that; it’s a favorite prejudice of liberal hypocrites. Fortunately it’s not hard to make anti-Catholics look silly; one need only remind them that they helped elect Herbert Hoover in 1928.

    Anyhow, if the polls are correct, in about ten days we’re all going to become… cellmates, so we might as well learn to get along now.

  10. I’m veering to that party too Magdalena. Our office manager, after saying SHE’s voting for none of the above, said she can’t vote for McCain because SP is stupid. Told her that’s what they said about Hillary, along with all the other, and then said I can’t discuss this with you because I’m too angry (we’ve worked together for almost 15 years so there would have been no worries).

  11. Magda: Make *doubly* sure that there is absolutely NO way that a write in for Hillary will count towards Obama before you fill it out that way. However, I would like to point out that Hillary is going to be blamed for Obama losing no matter what. During her convention speech, she asked us whether we were in it just because of her. The answer is, “no”. We thought she would be the best president. But the party gave the nomination to her rival in spite of us.
    I don’t think Hillary would want us to write in her name. I think she wants us to make a decision between Obama, McCain or no one. That takes a little sting out of the scapegoating that is bound to happen. If you reject Obama, do it because you reject corruption, not because of Hillary. If you want to vote for a woman, consider Cynthia McKinney.
    There are many ways to vote your conscience. You pick the way that is right for you. But be very careful about writing in Hillary’s name.

  12. Thought for the Day
    Did anyone see on AOL the story about race & Obama??
    I guess his poll #’s are down again!

  13. Be careful with write-ins. They may automatically be counted for the party’s candidate, and not to whom you intended.

    It’s far better if your single vote counts for two of ‘theirs!’

  14. tpt/ny

    This is the only board I go on where they believe I am black.

  15. Magdalena:

    Vote for Captain Spaulding.

    He’s the nominee of the Donner party

  16. It is funny that the Market tanks as Obama faux “surges ” in the polls…

    Ba ready folks if McCain Wins on November 4th the Market May Surge in appreciation! All those poor suckers who sold out and converted to cash will be mad as hell!

  17. Anglachel is hit or miss these days. The election season has done something strange to all of our wiring. It’s hard to know what we believe anymore.
    There are some feminists who focus a lot of their attention on pornography and the general bad behavior of men. There is no doubt that these are very serious issues. But they don’t apply to *all* men. I guess I was fortunate to have the Dad and Grandfathers I had. In fact, most of the men in my family have been very honorable and decent people. It makes it hard for me to see every man as harboring some particular gender related guilt.
    I don’t single out all men for being arrogant misogynistic jerks. Just Obama and his crew. It looks like McCain can be taught. That’s refreshing.

  18. afrocity, thanks. I may yet vote for McPalin. But I very badly want to put Hill’s name down.

    nv swing, thanks to you too. Isn’t breathtaking how easily this culture is able to turn women against other women? SP is a genius compared to GWB, has more experience than Obama, and has done nothing wrong except try to serve her state and her country by the light of her own beliefs (which I happen to disagree with).

    And yet she is continually maligned. I had a feminist friend yesterday slam SP for working while she has a small child. I asked her, wouldn’t you keep teaching if you had a child? Pause, then, “But it’s not the same thing,” she says.

    Ah, I see. Only men, like Obama, with small children, are allowed simultaneously to procreate and lead.

  19. I work with 98% democrats. We are not allowed to hire men as: secretaries, paralegals, file clerks, or internal runners. We can hire them as external runners or attorneys. Our file clerks have to lift heavy boxes on a regular basis, internal runners carry boxes of office supplies, move furniture, etc. The reason I was given several years ago was they may be called on to answer the phones.

  20. So i guess if I’m accused of enjoying rape I should– (how you say?)– lay back and enjoy it.

  21. Before you cross off McCain Palin, please read Sarah Palin’s feminist speech, most of which she did off the written text; listen to what Lady Lynn has to say about working with her. Everyone has to make their own decision. I don’t think voting present (top blank) is enough. I want the Democratic party to get the message—they were wrong about Hillary and the Clinton’s; they are wrong to support a candidate like Obama who uses tactics that are undemocratic; they are even more wrong to use those tactics themselves.

  22. Afrocity-has there been any new news up your way on Jennifers nephew?

  23. RD, thanks. I wanted to vote McKinney, actually, but she is not on the ballot in Texas. So here is where I am today. Thanks for your input.

  24. fuzzy: I suspect the opposite may happen. If McCain wins, the markets are likely to take another hit. Wall Street was not backing McCain. There may be wide spread worry about how he will work with the market. Ben Bernanke endorsed Obama the other day. Bernanke is a good guy and even though I suspect his support is tepid, the endorsement is significant.
    What I think would be a very good idea would be for McCain to demonstrate his openness to ditching his party’s ideology by announcing some of his cabinet appointments early. But McCain is walking a very fine line with his own party so he can’t do it before the election. He’d better have a press release ready the minute the polls close though. Because if he wins, it could get really ugly on Wall Street.

  25. Our office manager, after saying SHE’s voting for none of the above, said she can’t vote for McCain because SP is stupid.

    Ask her if she thinks stupid people manage states with $11 billion dollar budgets, 29,000 employees and negotiate energy contracts with Russia, China & Canada–and if they do it so well, that they get an 80% approval rating. Taking on the Republican establishment and winning must have taken some brains too, I’d imagine. This “stupid” crap, carefully manufactured by media interviews (see the Gibson editing hatchet job) is disrespectful to all women. She’s a “Barbie.”

  26. nv swing voter, on October 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pm Said:

    ” The reason I was given several years ago was they may be called on to answer the phones.”


    Is the point that men can’t answer phones?

  27. Magdalena – I too wanted to write in Hillary here in NJ but was advised against it by an attorney friend who said some weird things are going on in this country right now and the only way you can be sure it isn’t going to Obama is by voting for someone else. I’m voting for McCain-Palin and Dem downticket.

  28. Oh and I have had a hard time with what to do with my vote see I like John McCain Personally and Sarah Palin also. I believe that if they were my neighbors I would watch Gator Football with John McCain and I could have coffee with Sarah invite her over for a chat.

    I dont agree with there politics, but they are decent people.

    I cannot imagine Obama comming over for a backyard BBQ or takeing him tailgating. And Biden in my hous I would have to double lock my Liquor cabinet.

    See in this country I was taught you dont have to be like your neighbors to get along. I gues Joe and Barry missed that civics lesson!

  29. In our small-time coop elections, we’re seen that women will vote for a stupid man over a bright woman. Don’t know why – do men hype their credentials? Or is it an underlying perception that males are more “professional”?
    A manager at work, who has 2 pre-teens and is around Palin’s age, commented that she couldn’t vote for her since “she can’t even run her own household.”
    Pretty discouraging.

  30. riverdaughter,

    I think if McCain wins, the markets will rebound, steadely. I work on wall street, no one over there wants Obama to win. They are worried for what he will do this country.

    They aren’t that crazy about McCain, but they think he is better than O.

    As for the Polls people, they are BS. I don’t buy any of them anymore. Did everyone catch Malone’s piece on the media, it was great.

    People are noticing and I hope there is a backlash for trying to push the One, down our throats.

  31. Obama? Nein danke!

  32. Thanks for the shout out swanspirit! 🙂

  33. Riverdaughter, same here.

    There are some very good men out there, many of them are PUMAs. Language like that can often alienate the very people you want onside as well IMO.

  34. Thanks for the music! love Zydeco any day!
    Bobots caught cheating in Ohio

  35. Ana, that’s weird. I had heard exactly the opposite. Earlier this year, a friend of mine told me their preference was Hillary>>Obama>>Republican.
    When did this change and why?

  36. fuzzy, no. Jennifer is in hiding in Chicago. The boy has not been found. I hate to say this but i feel a shoot out /hostage situation coming on.

  37. (language like Anglachel has used – for clarity)

    I can understand some of the points she has made but I also think that some things need phrasing more carefully so as not to alienate the good guys.

  38. FIF, I emailed her the videos of the women from NOW’s endorsements, and a couple of my favorite articles from this blog. Decided on the one sided debate because I was just that angry she would say that.

  39. BTW everyone, I don’t know if anyone saw this but a PEW research came about a couple of days ago that said that 70% of people felt the media was trying to elect Barack Obama.

    90% GOP
    65% of DEMS and INDIES.

    People are getting it, they know what is going on.

  40. My heart and prayers go out to Jennifer Hudson. It must be devastating to her.

    I didn’t watch the show the year she was on, but I became a big fan a couple of years ago of another great African American singer, Melinda Doolittle.

  41. Nope, they want a woman’s voice answering the phones.

  42. ughh, I just got a call from the DCCC and I had to turn them down. I want to give because it is efficient and I downticket Dems deserve our support but I don’t want my money funneled to only the people who are slavish supporters of Obama to the detriment of people like Linda Stender, Eric Massa and Dennis Schulman.
    I am wracked with guilt. ;-(

  43. Ana do you have a link to the Pew poll?

  44. Well they could live with Hillary, it wasn’t so much as preference.

    Personally I think Mitt was who they were rooting for, afterall he knows how business works.

    I think once he said “spread the wealth” people got really freaked out. The sell-off is partly due to his policies. People know what is going on and they don’t like it.

    I am sure some people like O, but most people in wall street, business owners, know he is bad for this country.

  45. I voted McCain/Palin here in Wisconsin yesterday. Kenosha is in the SE corner of Wisconsin and is very much a Democratic town. Most of the local Democratic Candidates are running unopposed. Yet our Republican Congress-critter, who never met a corporate welfare plan he didn’t like will win easily. Go figure! I did vote for his opponent even though I don’t like her much. But she’s a she and that good enough for the Gynocrat in me.

    Much to my surprise, the world did not end as I voted for a Republican for the first time in my life. I didn’t even feel guilty about it. In fact, with Governor Palin on the ticket I felt pretty good about it. Now that I’ve taken my partisan head out of my partisan a$$, things are no longer as I once saw them. Whodathunkit?

  46. Did everyone catch Malone’s piece on the media, it was great.

    Ana: where was that? Do you have a link?

  47. I received this Email from TEAM SARAH.

    “A message to all members of Team Sarah
    Go Team:

    Team Sarah is growing faster than we can count! All because of you!
    We have doubled in size in one day. Yesterday, we were thrilled to pass 10,000 members.
    Today we are passing 20,000 — adding more members in one day than we did in our first month.
    And the first month was — simply astonishing.
    This is Palin Power unleashed. And it’s all because of you!
    Team Sarah is turning into the coolest new place on the Internet.
    All because of you.
    Things are happening much too fast for us to write about all the cool new things at Team Sarah.
    Looking forward to meeting you tomorrow at the Million Woman Teletown Hall. History in the making!
    And if you aren’t able to make the townhall, be sure to check back in the afternoon. I will post a recording so you can listen to all the action.
    So just… come on over and look — at the groups, the photos, the videos, the forums, the chat room!

    Visit Team Sarah at: http://www.teamsarah.org

  48. Sure river, here is the link to the article.


    Also check out this piece by Michael Malone. He talks about the media bias and says they might actually be doing it to implement the fairness doctrine, and stop the competition.


  49. nv: there’s was new video on NoQ yesterday of Lynn de Rothschild specifically addressing the “Palin is dumb” smear too.

  50. I accept that Anglachel is angry and I understand her feelings that she wants to lash out at those who have done these terrible things….

    I hope what she said was just venting and not expressng her true feelings.

    I will give her the benefit of the doubt RD.

    Afrocity-That sounds bad that poor young girl we must remember that Jennifer is a young lady. I am sure she was never prepared for such a terrible thing to happen! I hope the child is safely returned to those who love him.

  51. Fif, Do you have a link? I’ve never gone to NoQ.

  52. Did everyone see the American Thinker piece where they mention PUMAs and our impact?


  53. Ana: thanks for the links. I don’t understand the push for the fairness doctrine, except that right wing radio dominates. If they impose those restrictions, won’t the MSM, including the networks, MSNBC & CNN, have to allow Republican spokespeople on to rebutt the constant propaganda they are spewing out?

  54. nv: I tried to get on, and I can’t access NoQ right now. They said they were changing their server, so I’m not sure if it’s me or them. I’ll look later and post it.

  55. well all as soon as the game starts I gotta go too the mall and get my cell fixed! stupid little phone!~

  56. I am a pro-choice atheist and do not believe “life” begins at conception but wonder how one particular Catholic friend of mine who teaches religious instruction and has a real holier than thou attitude towards other Catholic friends of ours could decide to support Obama after reading this?


  57. I bet the fairness doctrine will prevent new media competitors from entering the market…

    Because what we have now is “fair”

  58. Thanks. Have a great day all!

  59. From the Pew Study:

    The study says that press treatment of Obama has been somewhat more positive than negative, but not markedly so.


  60. riverdaughter, on October 25th, 2008 at 12:48 pm Said:
    ughh, I just got a call from the DCCC and I had to turn them down. I want to give because it is efficient and I downticket Dems deserve our support but I don’t want my money funneled to only the people who are slavish supporters of Obama to the detriment of people like Linda Stender, Eric Massa and Dennis Schulman.
    I am wracked with guilt. ;-(

    It’s just as easy, although takes a little bit longer, to look them up online and donate to the ones you support. Don’t be wracked with guilt, even some of the ones that weren’t slavish supporters still didn’t put up too much of an argument about the delegate voting fiasco.

  61. well i think some are right the fairness doctrine will drive out conservative radio, which dominates, but they don’t think that it might push those people to places like sirius, etc. where they can’t monitor, because you subscribe.

    As for MSNBC and CNN, I actually don’t know how it would work, these are cable outlets, hard to monitor them. However, if the doctrine applied, they could just have pansies on to give the talking points of the conservatives, kind of like they have now. They would get around it.

    Nevertheless, the media is losing viewership, on all the pro-obama networks. Papers are losing readers, NYT and others have had to lay off employees. I would think stockholders would get involve by now, and tell these papers to get their act together.

    The internet is becoming a more wanted place for information. Maybe they are trying to drown this outlet out? Thoughts anyone…

  62. ainnj-because hypocracy is something the other side practices not us good’ol Obamabots.

  63. I LOVE ZYDECO woohooooo ,

    and now for something completely different :

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s hair, with its straight bangs, beehive top and cascading locks, is proving popular among Halloween partygoers and some Orthodox Jewish women…………………………
    And in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn, the look has become popular among some Orthodox Jewish women, who buy wigs to cover their hair for religious reasons. Made of human hair, the Palin-style wigs cost $695 or more.

    In Brooklyn’s Borough Park, an area heavily populated by Hasidic men wearing black hats and long beards and women dressed in long skirts and long-sleeved shirts, stylist Gail Rosenzweig said half of her Orthodox Jewish clients want Palin’s style.
    the entire article is here

  64. fif, it might say that, we all know that isn’t true.

    I am encouraged by the amount of people who now see the media bias, it is greater than in any other election.

    I wonder how this bias will play in the polls. Since most people now don’t trust the press they are certainly not getting their news from them anymore, which is a good sign. Maybe the electoral is not as stupid as they want to think.

  65. well, I can vote mccain/palin now guilt free! The biggest obama fan in my life, my youngest daughter (9 years old) just told me she changed her mind and she is now a McCain fan! She was previously an obama fan because she heard from her friends that palin shoots pumas from airplanes and that mccain likes war. Although I explained that those weren’t true and that their views on the war were different, she was still an obama fan. But now she is not because she doesn’t like obama’s tax plan! Apparently they were discussing it in school….She is 9 and I don’t even get obama’s tax plan and I am a corporate lawyer but hey, the biggest reason I am voting for McCain/Palin is because of my girls and their futures so knowing at least one of them has my back is a great feeling!

  66. swanspirit, on October 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm Said:

    “Made of human hair, the Palin-style wigs cost $695 or more.”


    Do you think Sarah Palin might inadvertently end the recession single-handedly?

  67. swanspirit, on October 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm Said:

    Makes sense to me, out of all the candidates Palin is certainly the one I would want to look like the most!

  68. I think people in general are sick of the media coverage for this election. Rep. and Dem alike saw the bias towards obama over clinton and you would have to be blind and deaf not to see it now for obama over mccain. No one likes it. For sarcastic, one sided coverage of an election, people tune into comedy central or bill mahr. At least they don’t pretend to be news shows. Grown ups find the clowns on msnbc ridiculously biased and therefor useless and untrustworthy. There are very few walter cronkites on the air these days,, if any.

  69. ainnj, i totally agree with you. What I wonder is what does it mean for the election?

  70. purplefinn, on October 25th, 2008 at 1:13 pm Said:
    “Made of human hair, the Palin-style wigs cost $695 or more.

    Do you think Sarah Palin might inadvertently end the recession single-handedly?
    GOOD point ! the glasses company is two months behind on orders for her glasses , her boots are almost sold out
    SNL had the best ratings they have had in 14 years ,
    and I bet Neiman Marcus has had discreet ,
    ok maybe not discreet; inquiries regarding which clothes were purchased for her ,

    and you know those so called sophisticate hypocrites that were wearing sackcloth and ashes themselves in grief over her clothing costs…, did not know what happened??

    They did not know measurements were taken, styles noted , personal shoppers called, who then canvassed stores with those requirements and made purchases from those stores who had services and items immediately available??
    Who are the ignorants now? or just feigning deliberate ignorance ….pulllease…

  71. This morning’s (San Antonio) paper had a prominent story about Ashley Todd’s arrest, accompanied by a large head and shoulders photo of her. The fact that this young woman appears to have serious mental problems was all but buried in the account. Never mind the possible toll on a twenty year old, disturbed woman, the MSM have no qualms about using her to further The One’s purposes.

    Where the hell were all the prominent stories about the unsourced, debunked-by-the-Secret-Service “Kill him” tale which provided so much fodder for the martyr Obama? Where the hell were all the stories about the female McCain supporter attacked in Manhattan by the angry male Obot? Where were all the stories about the McCain campaign bus with the bullet holes in the windshield? The c*unt tee-shirts? The horrendous, violentTerry Tate video?

    Guess it’s time for my accustomed post-newspaper morning mantra: Screw ’em all.

    Thank heaven for my fellow Conflucians. I don’t know what I’d do without y’all. Really, I mean that.

  72. well kat5, ignore the press.

    I have to say the one good thing about this story coming out on the weekend, is that most people don’t pay attention.

    What matters is that people are seeing the bias, lets see if there is a backlash.

  73. SOD – re: tough questions to Biden

    WOW!!!! Give that woman a pay raise!!!! BRAVO!

  74. Let’s all say a prayer and hope that no harm comes to this reporter.

  75. Completely OT and I’m a bit behind with this, but I read in previous threads that the “kill him” incident has been debunked. Does anyone know of a link to a reputable source with this information?

  76. This is way OT and I hope OK to post here. For Johninca at 12:47pm – I liked Melinda Doolittle as well. If you don’t know about it, you might want to check out http://www.melindasbackups.com Lots of video and music there.

  77. Hey did you guys see the article on the Herald about John Kerry wanting the New Deal Part II


    Something else, if Obama was really winning and this was over, as the media would like you to believe, why after just to days, of his grandma being on her death bed, did he come back to the campaign trail. If it were me and my grandma was dying I would stay and forget about the election, especially if I am winning. Something isn’t right here.

  78. The incident was fully debunked some days ago by the Secret Service, brit. Can’t remember which account I read, but google would bring up something credible.

  79. “Did anyone see on AOL the story about race & Obama??
    I guess his poll #’s are down again!”

    AOL’s recent choices regarding “headlines and stories are every bit as “fair and balanced” as the NYTimes.

  80. Ok, thanks a lot Kat5. The news that it has been debunked apparently has not gotten out to everyone, if you know what I mean.

  81. OH MY…. Obama supporters are turning out in record amounts at early voting booths all across the country… this is NOT GOOD FOR MCCAIN….

    Look at this video of Obama supporters swarming to the voting booths:

  82. “Ba ready folks if McCain Wins on November 4th the Market May Surge in appreciation”

    While it’s hard to imagien teh market getting still worse, an Obama/DemCongressional supermajority combo will do the trick nicely.

  83. Wow. The One spend a whole hour with grandma in Hawaii, maybe two, and the MSM lauds his tender lovingness? Read that story, too, this morning, Ana. Gag.

  84. I love that video!! Who taught you to bowl?

    Katy, thanks for the link. I just registered at the Sarah site.

    Brittania – http://www.newsweek.com/id/164512/output/print

  85. BPD, that is pretty funny.

  86. I saw actual stats on early voting and what the stats said is that early voters are about equally divided between Rep. and Dems. That was just yesterday. I know things change quickly so it may not be true now. Remember that about 20% of those Dems are probably voting McCain.

  87. Julie, great! Thank you!

  88. jangles, the stats r correct. The video was just sheep.

    BTW I saw a poll on abc news yesterday said about 89% of evangelicals in Colorado are voting for McCain. That is higher than Bush even got.

  89. About the hair thing. Is anybody ordering Joe’s hair plugs?

  90. I heard that no one even ask for Joe’s stuff, at all. Not his mask or anything.

  91. Jangles: Chuck Todd?

  92. RD – OT – I had sent some $ to L. Stender a while back but since have seen and heard some disturbing things about her tactics and local participation – I want to support female candidates and Dems but hmmmm 😦

  93. The sad thing about all those sheep is that about half of them were registered by ACORN

  94. Hey, did anyone see this Sarah Palin Inflatable Love Doll – It’s being reported at No Quarter.

    Put that next to your Hillary Nutcracker.


  96. BPD: Are you sure about the ACORN registration? It appeared to me that all the sheep were still alive and real sheep – not cartoon characters.

  97. Just a post script about Anglachel. She was a strong and consistent supporter of HRC. She wrote some excellent pieces debunking The One, his policies and his tactics. I know she took a hit on this blog and I am sorry she did that and have no clue why but I would not throw her out with the bath water. I think maybe she was getting a lot of hits about being a PUMA and since she was not and values her independence (perhaps too much) she gave a hit to the Big Cats. Since I now listen to Hannity, O’Reilly and Laura Ingraham I am more eclectic in who I allow to show up on my screen and if they defend the Hillster they can get by with a lot.

  98. A friend who lives on the other side of the country and I have been supporting each other through this mess – she knew I was down and knew didn’t want me to forget that women have strengths that amaze and sometimes frighten men. She then added a piece from a poem that really defines many of the women (and some men) I’ve met here. thought it might buoy you as well:

    Women bear hardships and they carry burdens, but they hold happiness, love and joy.
    They smile when they want to scream.
    They sing when they want to cry.
    They cry when they are happy
    and laugh when they are nervous.
    They fight for what they believe in.
    They stand up to injustice.
    They don’t take “no” for an answer
    when they believe there is a better solution.
    They go without so their family can have.
    They go to the doctor with a frightened friend.
    They love unconditionally.
    They cry when their children excel
    and cheer when their friends get awards.
    They are happy when they hear about
    a birth or a wedding.
    Their hearts break when a friend dies.
    They grieve at the loss of a family member, yet they are strong when they think there is no strength left.
    They know that a hug and a kiss
    can heal a broken heart.
    Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
    They’ll drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you to show how much they care about you.
    The heart of a woman is what makes the world keep turning.
    They bring joy, hope and love.
    They have compassion and ideals.
    They give moral support to their family and friends.
    Women have vital things to say and everything to give


  99. Joanelle, my mother in law sent me that piece. It’s lovely.

  100. be real nice to parentofed its the 3rd quarter and the score:

    UF Gators 49

    UK Wildcats 3

    not pretty!

  101. From the last post under Tavis I noticed most of you are into books big time – so I assume you have red 1984 and Animal Farm. Please read this article and see how close Omighty’s cadres are coming close to what we feared years ago


    I am doing this from my crackberry so appologies if link does not work

  102. Here’s a rather interesting article about what’s going on with Palin within the McCain camp. It seems that Palin is unhappy with the way she has been handled, and it seems that she is being set up as a scapegoat in case McCain loses, but she is fighting back. This is a tough, strong lady. I’ve always thought she does better when she’s allowed to be herself.

    ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL (CBS/Politico) — Even as John McCain and Sarah Palin scramble to close the gap in the final days of the 2008 election, stirrings of a Palin insurgency are complicating the campaign’s already-tense internal dynamics.

    Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image — even as others in McCain’s camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain’s decline.

    “She’s lost confidence in most of the people on the plane,” said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to “go rogue” in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

    But Palin partisans say she chafed at the handling.

    “The campaign as a whole bought completely into what the Washington media said — that she’s completely inexperienced,” said a close Palin ally outside the campaign who speaks regularly to the candidate.

    “Her strategy was to be trustworthy and a team player during the convention and thereafter, but she felt completely mismanaged and mishandled and ill advised,” the person said. “Recently, she’s gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts.”

    Palin had also sought to give meatier policy speeches, in particular on energy policy and on policy for children with disabilities; she finally gave the latter speech Friday, but had wanted to deliver it much earlier.

    She’s also begun to make her own ad hoc calls about the campaign’s direction and the ticket’s policy. McCain, for instance, has remained silent on Democrats’ calls for a stimulus package of new spending, a move many conservatives oppose but that could be broadly popular. But in an interview with the conservative radio host Glenn Beck earlier this week, Palin went “off the reservation” to make the campaign policy, one aide said.

    It’s an interesting read. I hope this lady wins.

  103. jangles: Anglachel’s link stays up because she has some pretty keen insights on politics. But I was really horrified at the smack she gave us. It was so uncalled for. It honestly came out of nowhere. I knew she didn’t want to be called a PUMA, although, since she wrote that piece, I am more wedded to that title than ever.
    Honestly, I don’t know what was going through her head. She even kinda lumped us in with Josh Marshall and Markos as being part of the disfunctional progressive blogosphere. It was weird. And we’re racists? Spewing right wing talking points?
    Something is really not right in the noggin but like I said, this election season has really challenged our notions of our party affiliation. I suspect that if she weren’t so independent, she would be indistinguishable from the Kos crowd. She is very academic and idealistic on many issues.

  104. Uh, Nick, thanks so much for your contribution. You may want to work on the objectivity a bit.

  105. Ah, I see Nick is more. Thanks, RD.

  106. Nick there Myiq up a post up yesterday about the gal who claimed to have been assaulted. I guess you missed it. Take a look at “Turns Out Her Pants Were on Fire on this site.

  107. Please remove Nick’s post.

  108. Thanks for pulling him RD – you can pull my response too

  109. Site Moderation is in force. Trollish comments will be deleted immediately. Respond to such comments at your own risk since the comment you replied to is likely to be gone by the time you post.


  110. Hi All – I have posted a new Puzzler on my site, prize to benefit Democrats for Principle Before Party.


  111. RD: Thanks for the background. I think it speaks ever so well of you that you continue to include her blog on the blog scroll.

  112. I don’t know what the weather’s like in your neck of the woods, but it’s chilly and rainy and gray in my little corner of the world. The perfect day to rent a movie and chill out. I’m going in search of an old favorite of mine, “Election” starring Reese Witherspoon as Hillary Clinton and Matthew Broderick as the DNC. Okay, a bit tounge-in-cheek there, but in all seriousness, that movie has been stuck in my mind since the primary season when it seemed to be life imitating art. I just wish the ending were the same. *sigh*

  113. Magda,
    I am also in Texas and like you, until recently, was comfortable in thinking a red Tx. was a given. This changed this week when the election came up among the teachers where I work. I was shocked out of 7, 2 were voting McCain, 1 3rd party , and the others are going Obama. I am also aware of the huge voter drives in East & North Texas that have been going on.

  114. Just polled for Bush’s approval ratings. I kept having to *interject swiftly and loudly* to the gal that disapproval for Bush does NOT equate to Obamabot vote in this household.

    I’m sure this just went right over the pollster’s head.

  115. Yeah, but I would have to think that teachers, even in Tx, would still be staunch Dem supporters.

  116. I’m in Illinois – Chicago area. I have noticed that even though there are many yard signs and bumper stickers, there are few obama buttons. I work at a large university in Chicago and rider public transportation to/from work. The train station where I board is directly across the street and still few obama buttons.
    Maybe this is a good sign as this is real Obama territory.
    In 2004, I was working for the Dem Party and the Kerry/ Edwards ticket. We were everywhere and so were people wearing buttons, tee shits, caps, etc. I don’t see that happening here this time.

  117. So far, I’ve been polled for Gallup and Quinnipiac. Gallup wanted to know all about how healthy I am and what my quality of life is. I think I ended up an outlier on their graph. Obama demographic Democrat, excellent health, well educated and gainfully employed who wants nothing to do with him.

  118. Fuzzy: football game? What game? Where?

  119. Jangles:

    Anglachel reminds me of someone who you first meet and are impressed how smart and insightful they are.

    Then one day you are talking with them and a certain topic comes up and they suddenly take an inexplicable turn into irrationality.

    Change the topic and they seem normal again.

    I read her blog for months and agreed with pretty much everyything she said. More than once I linked to her and told people she had a “must read” post.

    I left comments on most of her posts and she published all of them. Then one day she did a column that was critical of PUMA and I left a comment that I was a Clinton Democrat and a PUMA, and they were not mutually exclusive. I also said we admired her writing here at The Confluence.

    She didn’t publish that comment or any I left since.

    Then out of the blue she slammed both The Confluence and PUMA as r@cists and for allegedly spewing right-wing talking points. She has also praised a blogger named Mandos who has accused us of r@cism several times in the past.

    Then she seems to return to “normal” for a few weeks, until yesterday and again today.

  120. riverdaughter, on October 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm Said:

    So far, I’ve been polled for Gallup and Quinnipiac. Gallup wanted to know all about how healthy I am and what my quality of life is. I think I ended up an outlier on their graph. Obama demographic Democrat, excellent health, well educated and gainfully employed who wants nothing to do with him.

    A case of Kool Aid will be in the mail!

  121. Saw over at Redstate that the MN newspaper Star Tribune has endorsed Norm Coleman over Al Franken. I know nothing about MN papers, but Redstate says this is the state’s most liberal paper and it’s refusal to endorse Franken is very significant.

  122. Leslie: Here in Somerset county, I see hundreds of McCain/Palin signs and very, VERY few Obama signs. You have to go south to Princeton before you see Obama signs. Even the diverse town I pass through on my way to work that was plastered with Obama during the primaries is oddly quiet now. Just McCain/Palin.
    What’s really funny is that McCain and Palin are on their signs in the same size fonts. On Obama’s sign, you have to squint to see Biden’s name. It just speaks volumes about what this race has been about. On the Democratic side, it has been all about Obama and the Obama brand. No wonder he found it hard to find a VP. I’m wondering if the superdelegates regret picking him now.

  123. Julie – one of my favorites is The Contender with Jeff Bridges, Joan Allen and Gary Oldman – it’s about a woman (JA) who is a contender for the role of VP when the VP dies. Very timely

  124. parentofed: Minnesota has always been a quirky state. Remember Jesse Ventura?

  125. RD: Indeed I do. Another hot name without experience who turned out to be a bit too weird even for MN Libertarians.

  126. riverdaughter, on October 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Bernanke did not endorse Obama. The WSJ had a headline of “Bernanke Endorses Obama” earlier this week, but if you read the article, it only says that Bernanke had some positive words about the Democratic plan, which the author thought was essentially an endorsement of Obama. I personally think that was a big leap to take, and Fed Chairmen have historically remained non-partisan and not endorsed any candidate.

  127. You don’t have to pity Jesse too much. I’m sure he’s still rich from the wrestling and books.

  128. RD – normally we have lots of signs in Essex and Morris County where I am – this year -very few – practically no presidential and yes, I noticed that of the few Obama signs I’ve seen some have only had Obama on them.

  129. Riverdaughter,
    Here in my Kansas county our Blue Dog Democratic Congressman who is running for re-election has the campaign theme, “Country before Party” — as far as I know this is the first time a lifelong Democrat around here is running on the Republican Presidential candidates campaign theme. Weird!

    On the yard sign thing, the strange thing is that where there are a bunch of Democratic signs in a yard OFTEN Obama is missing. The Obama signs mostly stand all alone in the yards.

    I have no idea what it all means though. 4 years ago the entire county seemed blanketed in Kerry signs (especially my neighborhood) but Bush comfortably took the county. So maybe the lack of signs just means that people don’t see the point.

  130. Where I live (exurbs), privacy seems to be of utmost importance. Very few candidate bumper stickers and hardly any (as in 1!,lol) yard signs.

    I will say this- there is a heck of a lot of Americana though. Flag stickers, yellow ribbons.

  131. parentofed: Here’s the Strib’s endorsement of Coleman. It doesn’t sound like a glowing endorsement AND if the Strib is ga-ga over Obama, it is not surprising to me that they didn’t endorse Franken. Franken is a Democrat. The editorial board makes it clear that it doesn’t want partisanship. They have bought into the whole Broderite argument.
    Franken is smart enough to know that he’s got plenty of material to work with here.

  132. katiebird, on October 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm Said:

    “I have no idea what it all means though. 4 years ago the entire county seemed blanketed in Kerry signs (especially my neighborhood) but Bush comfortably took the county. So maybe the lack of signs just means that people don’t see the point.”


    As to the fervor for Kerry – remember, we were trying to get rid of Bush. Whatever happens this election, I will be able to celebrate No Bush, and a first – first President of African heritage, OR first woman VP. As you can see I’m determined to have something to celebrate about this time!

  133. RD, Gallup runs a constant track on quality of life and it isn’t associated with the election per se. It is the same track that has been used in about 90 countries at last count. It has uncovered some interesting data points — like income isn’t a determiner of happiness or future security. Some of the happiest people on earth live on an annual income that is less than the price of a dinner and a movie. Another interesting point is that people who can either see mountains or water everyday are happier than those who can’t. Some interesting corollaries are that simple things like the quality of bread is a determiner of whether or not a community demands excellence in services, quality of water and air are the determiners of how people think of their communities and a great indicator of overall health is “whether or not you climbed a flight of stairs today.”

  134. I’ll betcha a lot of Democrats stay home this season. Obama is going to take a hit if he can’t muster more enthusiasm in voters.

  135. Joanelle – that movie was on cable not too long ago and I watched it thinking “if only”.

  136. purplefinn,

    I will be able to celebrate No Bush, and a first – first President of African heritage, OR first woman VP. As you can see I’m determined to have something to celebrate about this time!

    Wow! That’s a wonderful way to think of it. I’ve been looking at the dark side that I Don’t have a Candidate in the race. Your way is better. I wonder if I can get my brain around it.

  137. Very few Obama signs here in E KY, even though we’re registered Democratic country [yes, that surprises a lot of people]; every yard that has Obama also has the full Dem downtickets. Driving through a residential area in my town this morning, I saw 3 yards in a row that still bore Hillary signs. I just wanted to run up to the doors and hug them!

  138. I will say this: Though lawn signs in my neighborhood have always been rare, when they were out, I wasn’t aware of stealing, etc.

    I remember taking a walk through the neighborhood and seeing Bush and Kerry families who lived next to each other. The kids were playing hopscotch on the sidewalk and the adults were talking to each other about their kids soccer games and whatnot. It just seemed a whole lot more civil.

  139. PofEd, I’m still in Lex. tending to the parents and I’ve been driving through different neighborhoods occasionally. For a community that is supposedly so hot for The One, the yard signs are 3-1 McCain.

  140. California is a quirky state too.

    We elected ultra-conservative Ronald Reagan as governor in 1966, kicking out incumbant Pat Brown, who was an FDR-style liberal. Reagan was reelected in 1970 and served until January 1975 when he was replaced by ultra-liberal Jerry Brown, Pat’s son.

    Jerry Brown, aka “Governor Moonbeam” served two terms, and was replaced by conservative George Deukmejian who defeated Tom Bradley in the “Bradley effect” election of 1982. Duke beat Bradley again in 1986.

    Jerry ran for the Senate in 1982 as he was leaving the Governor’s office. He hoped to replace Republican “Sleeping Sam” Hayakawa. Jerry lost to Mayor Pete Wilson of San Diego. Our other Senator at the time was Democrat Alan Cranston.

    Pete Wilson replaced Deukmejian in 1990, running on anti-immigrant issues that turned the hispanic community away from the GOP.

    We voted for Reagan in 1980 and 84, Bush in 1988, Clinton in 1992 and 96, then Gore and Kerry. We gave both Senate seats to Democrats in 1992, electing the only 2-woman tandem with Feinstein and Boxer.

    Then we replaced Wilson with Gray Davis in 1998, reelected Davis in 2002, recalled him from office in 2003, replacing him with the Governator.

    In 2006, the year of the massive Democratic tidal wave, we reelected Arnold in a cakewalk.

    Supposedly California is a sure thing for Obama this year.

    I’m nor so sure

  141. Prolix: Yeah, I mentioned that last week. There were Obama signs around the campus community, of course, but that’s pretty much it. As the Kid said, all the visiting students have Obiden signs, all the people truly running Lex have McPalin signs.

  142. Ahh.>I grew up in MOrris COunty..Chatham TWP to be exact.

    Now..I’m in South Carolina where Jim Clyburn is saying he thinks Obama “has a chacne it taking it.”

  143. Prolix: I went to Stella’s Deli, and was surprised that the AA community in that area wasn’t flooded with Obama signs.

  144. I’m afraid Pete Wilson threw California to the Democrats with that anti-Mexican prop 187 tirade back in 1994. Lots of McCain haters in the GOP have the same tendency– they call him Juan McCain. So now it’s the People’s Republic of California.

    While I’m not a Republican, if they won this election I would greet them as liberators.

  145. My barometer is bumper stickers and there are lots of M/P and very, very few BZero. I know that is anecdotal, but it seems counterintuitive considering the demo.

  146. Palin just finished giving a good speech in Des Moines, IA. She seemed more serious, like “I mean business,” fewer smiles even. During the part I watched she didn’t even mention Obama, just called him “a politician.”

  147. The “Palin going rogue” story has made it to CNN’s front page, and of course in the worst possible light and spin. Crap.

  148. Rima – Jim Clyburn needs to put down whatever he’s smoking. Last poll showed McCain ahead by 20 pts in SC. NC… I’m keeping everything crossed.

  149. PHILADELPHIA (AP) – A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama’s qualifications to be president.

    U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father’s native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy. …I

    Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was “too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.”


  150. Then out of the blue she slammed both The Confluence and PUMA as r@cists and for allegedly spewing right-wing talking points. She has also praised a blogger named Mandos who has accused us of r@cism several times in the past.

    When they start in about the right wing talking points, don’t try to reason with them– head for the bunkers. That’s how impressionable kids talk when their parents use college and grad school as a babysitting service.

  151. WASHINGTON (AP) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will campaign for the first time alongside former President Bill Clinton at a rally next week in Orlando, Fla.

    The two will appear together Wednesday in the perennial battleground state, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.


  152. Brit, I read the “Palin” story at Politico and I think it was a planted message. It was also written by Ben Smith who was castigated by the BZero troops for being too Hillary-centric in his blog. In thinking about a slow news day, what better to get everyone talking about and in a way reforming the media driven image of Palin. It strikes me as a strategic plant for the Sunday chattering heads.

  153. Prolix, the CNN version has a different spin from the Politico version. I actually found the Politico version to be more “balanced.”

  154. Ohio newspaper poll shows race as essentially tied

  155. If this were the record business, it would be like saying that Palin is about to go solo.

  156. Yes I saw that Palin story-it definitely looked like a plant for a slow day.

  157. Has anyone seen anything on TV about Palin’s “dropping the puck” at the St Louis Blues game last night? From what I have read, it was much different than the Philly event a couple weeks ago…. She was greeted with lots of cheering….

    I wonder if the MSM will cover that as much as they covered the “boos” from the Philly game (although, I have seen multiple angles from that Philly game… only one angle has the loud boos… makes you wonder if the tape had the boos piped into it)

  158. Brit, — and why wouldn’t it have a different spin being on CNN and all — the “best political team in the business” can’t be concerned with balance, it’s just so pre-partisan. (okay, snark off now)

  159. I know, I know…

    OT, but when I still had teevee, I stopped watching CNN right after they replaced Aaron Brown with Anderson Cooper. I think they were covering Katrina then. What the hell were they thinking? Now I have the luxury of watching CNN videos on my computer without the agony of the talking heads.

  160. Brit, I’m witcha on that. While watching the chattering class, I often wonder why I ever gave up shooting spit balls through straws?

  161. afrocity, on October 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm Said:

    This is the only board I go on where they believe I am black.

    I get the same. Heh, w/e.

    Usually my sister and I have met up to vote then have brunch and just make a day of it. Yesterday I mentioned meeting up on Monday and she agreed, but with some hesistance in her voice. Like there was something she wanted to say, but just let it go.

    Well today she admitted to me that she and some other family members met up at a local precint to cast their votes Friday.

    I actually felt bad for my sister, because I could sense just how torn she’s been watching some in my family rip me a new one over my stance against all things BO. (What they truly cannot stand is the fact that I’m unabashed in my criticisms and protestations.) I found myself reassuring her that I understood and it’s not a big deal. This is the same sister who only confided in me that she voted for Hillary in the primaries. Honestly, this circus of an election cycle (THAT OBAMA BUILT) has grown beyond ridiculous.

    Oh, and the same BO clique are planning to celebrate O’s big blowout on Election night, together. Guess who wasn’t invited?

    Ah, well. If anything, it makes me more secure in the knowledge that I’m doing the right thing. No hard feelings, truly. I’ve got you guys to shoulder me, right? 🙂

  162. The McCain volonteer who made up the story about the “B” on the cheek, previously worked for Ron Paul:

    In March, Ms. Todd was asked to leave a grass-roots group of Ron Paul supporters in Brazos County, Texas, group leader Dustan Costine said. He said Ms. Todd posed as a supporter of former Arkansas governor and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and called the local Republican committee seeking information about its campaign strategies.

    “She would call the opposing campaign and pretend she was on their campaign to get information,” Mr. Costine said last night. “We had to remove her because of the tactics she displayed. After that we had nothing to do with her.”

    About a month earlier, he said, Ms. Todd sent an e-mail to the Ron Paul group saying her tires were slashed and that campaign paraphernalia had been stolen from her car because she supported Mr. Paul.

    “She’s the type of person who wants to be recognized,” Mr. Costine said.


  163. Nick, keep reading this site and you may begin to understand. Bottom line – we believe in democracy. Something I truly believed was a shared principle with the Democratic (sic) Party this year. I was wrong. Principle before party.

    Don’t worry about our commitment to equality for all. We also believe in one person one vote, all votes valued equally, and count all the votes.

  164. edwardian, you’re in the right place. Sorry for your pain. My best friend and I had a long sometimes angry, tearful discussion about the election. She too voted for Hillary in the primary. She’ll vote for Obama in Nov. I won’t. We were both able to express ourselves and affirm each other which sounds like what you have with your sister. That’s about all I’m asking.

  165. Underscore ONE person ONE vote. I know that’s a tough concept for the O’s to comprehend.

  166. Edwardian – believe me, this place has the broadest shoulders to lean on. We knew we’d be Democrats in exile… we just didn’t realize it was exile from our friends and family.

  167. Edwardian -it’s called peer pressure.

    It’s something BO has been trying to reinforce as hard as he can. He has studied up on the Evangelical manual of psychological persuasion.

    That’s why peer support groups like the Confluence are so important.

  168. Gah! CNN has a short video linking baby Trig’s wardrobe to the shopping spree controversy. These reporters have too much time on their hands!

  169. I think that’s why RD resists him so much. She recognises those sort of tactics from her childhood.

    So too did many Catholic kids resist indoctrination.
    Just my 2 cents.

  170. ot
    last nite i forgot to tell you to mix graham cracker crumbs in the cheese cake mix .



  171. Do we have a site monitor today?

  172. “Rima – Jim Clyburn needs to put down whatever he’s smoking. Last poll showed McCain ahead by 20 pts in SC. NC… I’m keeping everything crossed”

    I agree….I’ve not seen any poll that shows him wihthn the margin of error. Not that I trust polls this year, and given tge AA population here, it is theoretically possible. Bui I don’t see it happening.

    NC has almost as large an AA population, and lot more moderate-to-libeal voters these days.

    I frankly expect BO to win, which I consider tragic for the country, and for the future of the Democratic party. All I saw when teheDems took back Congress was them all shoving THEIR way to the head of the feeding trough.

  173. I loved reading the political analysis today that Joe Biden is a sound running mate despite his “stumbles” but Sarah Palin has gone “rogue.” Frankly a maverick and rogue woman seem just about like the best change to me.

  174. Homer knew a thing or two:

    Tell me, Conflucians, of that cunning Obama who traveled far and
    wide after he had sacked the famous Hillary. Many cities did he visit, and many were the nations with whose manners and customs he was acquainted; moreover he suffered much by McCain and Palin while trying to save his own skin and bring the bacon safely home;
    but do what he might he could not save the Obots, for they
    too, like all in is service, had to go unterbus; so Obama prevented them from ever reaping a reward. Tell me, too, about all these things, oh, Conflucians, from whatsoever source you may know them.

    So now all who escaped the wreck of Hillary with principles intact had got safely home to the Confluence, except Anglachel, and she, though she was longing to return to PUMA principles, was detained by the spirit of insanity who had got into a large space in her head and wanted to reside there. But as weeks went by, there came a time when fate settled that she should go back to democratic principles; even then, however, when she was among her own people, her troubles were not yet over; nevertheless fate had now begun to pity her except the Klownish one, who still railed against her with reason and would not right away let her get home.

  175. Helen, you’re early—I wasn’t expecting you until the those heady hours before dawn. 🙂 Graham cracker crumbs, got it—thanks for remembering. 😉

  176. myiq, Katiebird was here earlier.

  177. “Tell me, Conflucians, of that cunning Obama who traveled far and
    wide after he had sacked the famous Hillary. Many cities did he visit, and many were the nations with whose manners and customs he was acquainted; moreover he suffered much by McCain and Palin while trying to save his own skin and bring the bacon safely home;
    but do what he might he could not save the Obots”

    Geez, thanks for the Latin class flashback!

  178. Katiebird@3:34p
    I read ” COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY” here first.
    I don’t think it is a republican phrase.
    I know that McCain uses COUNTRY FIRST but I thought he got that from us.



  179. As for the spin on Biden v palin, the MYTimes yesterday continued to be amockery of their former selves, with teh Pain take focusing on her beauty pageant days, while with Biden, ti was all about “Lessons Learned from my Father that Continue to Guide Me Through LIfe.”

  180. Oh sorry, the fumble fingers strike again. Trust me, though I grew up reading it, it is no longer “MY”Times, it’s teh NYTimes.

  181. myiq2xu, on October 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pm Said: Re: Anglachel’s blog

    My experience and opinion are very much aligned with yours. I used to always read her blog although sometimes she had a real space in time between posts. I thought she pulled together some good things. But I began to pull away when she started posting some really mean spirited things about how all Republicans were evil, even tho’ I still appreciated her body slams on Obama. Then she had some awful cuts at Palin that were based upon some of the blog stuff about her that were just plain fabricated. She was pretty relentless about it and would not print anything stating opposing facts. I just did not want to hear any more of it. Haven’t been there in over a month. I seem to be surviving.

  182. I’m curious- how many folks here intend to vote for McCain?

    How about abstaining from a presidential vote, but voting for Democrats for other offices?

    What are your plans?

  183. Already voted McCain and the downticket Dems.

  184. No Obama vote here. It pains me to vote for the Dems on my ballot for being party to the sexism of the primary (Chris Gregoire), but her GOP opponent is atrocious. However, a write-in for Gary Locke isn’t out of the realm of possibility now that I think about it.

  185. John–I voting McCain/Palin.

  186. Has anyone seen how the Sarah’s Team event is going this week-end?

    BTW: I saw a Palin/McCain statement on the economic crisis just two days ago and it referenced the Dem/Obama stimulus plan. I think I even copied it here. I thought it was a sound statement and I do not think she “went off the reservation” on that issue.

    Personally, I think McCain/Palin are doing an amazing job in keeping this race on fire when you think that the economy is a disaster and Bush is so unpopular. I am really concerned to hear about TX. Of course, Tx has a big influx of AAs from the gulf hurricanes and they have not gone back to the gulf areas they came from in many instances—so you may see a new political picture in Tx—but it used to be a solid Democratic state in the days of Rayburn and LBJ.

  187. Sorry Guys, I fell asleep. What’s up?

  188. gqm: I completely agree! I do think I will hold my nose and vote for 30% solution.

  189. I agree Hillary does not want us to write her name in. A vote is a terrible thing to waste. However I have to disagree with your other point.

    If we really want Obama to lose, we must give McCain every possible chance, and that means casting the vote for him; not Nader, nor McKinney. A few thousand votes here and there may give O a win in a tight race. Ohio and Florida were “that” close and will be so again. I’m shaking in my boots here in VA because I’m afraid it might go blue this year.

    I don’t think we have the luxury this year not to vote for O’s opposition. We already see the usual roolz no longer apply.

  190. For the top job, I am voting to do the most damage.

  191. Hm… my posts aren’t coming through.

  192. Edwardian
    Understand what you are saying. Not easy being black and against O I tell you. As part of a large African community they can’t belive my stance aginst O. Their only solace is that my citizenship could not be done before the election. I bet you ACORN will register me though if I say I will vote for O.lol

  193. John: I think it is very important to vote McPalin if you can. Even if you are in a solid blue state—nationally your vote still adds up to the McCain national total. I am desperate about this election. I am convinced that Obama is about the worst thing ever to happen to this country. I can not believe that someone can have the political alliances he has had in his political development and the political history he has had and actually be a viable contender for POTUS. It is just mind numbing.

  194. My original plan was to vote downticket Dems but I have since decided against it as the race is to close to allow Obama a Dem majority. I plan to support the 30% rule and vote Palin.

  195. Hi, I’m back from taking an air conditioner from the window down to the basement. can’t believe how getting older really interferes with getting things done in a reasonable time without fear of falling or ripping my are out of its socket!

    I just reread what I wrote up above @3:18 and found out it made only a little sense (I suppose that’s an improvement for me). I meant to say that the train station is right across the street from the Dem. headquarters, so you’d think there’d be more obvious button wearers, etc.

    also Laurie, on October 25th, 2008 at 4:53 pm Said:
    I think that’s why RD resists him so much. She recognises those sort of tactics from her childhood.

    So too did many Catholic kids resist indoctrination.
    Just my 2 cents.”

    That must be why I, out of all my siblings am so resistant to Teh Precious and his BS. I’m the only one who went to Catholic schools through high school. I really had to learn how to think for myself.
    pernicious became a favorite word of mine. And can some let BPD know that I watched that darn video of the Obots flocking to the polls all of it !!
    (with tears streaming down my face)

  196. Perhaps one reason we’re seeing so few Obama yard signs is that people have to PAY for them. Unlike any other political campaign I’ve ever seen that begs people to take them for free.
    Same goes for bumperstickers.

    urgetocompute, your classical compositions just keep getting better & better! Love ’em!

    oh, and myiq2xu, CA isn’t the only state with tandem women senators. Maine has the 2 republicans.

  197. Chicagoans against Obama have a great video from Al Jazeera on Obot bloggers in the Gaza Strip:

  198. Nick
    You forgot FISA – so much for calling oneself a democrat. His stance on gun control is also not clear. Abortion is the only thing where he has clear stand as far as I can tell. Where does he stand on Darfur? Would he use the military even though the US has no financial interest in it. How about d’Jbouti, Eritrea, and Somalia where the US has strategic interests. I guess he will just sit down with warloards who kill UNICEF workers that are feeding their own people for fun – you have me going – O is the most naïve person to run for office – like Bush. He just has a better way to present his empty words.Being a president of a super power is more than agreeing on local issues.

  199. Pay for them? When he is raking in that kind of money?

  200. Yes, I thought that too-Obama makes people pay for signs, (just as he makes his supporters pay for leases)-I really wonder what he does with the money he gets from backers.
    Which he’ll have to pay back tenfold (at a conservative estimate) with tax payers $$$$ if he gets into office….

  201. I like blogging from my crackberry by the way – only thing is editing and spelling is not easy

  202. BTW: I don’t know if this news has been discussed, but Obama is making MSM folks pay for the privilege of covering his “victory celebration” being planned for Hutchinson Field in Grant Park (where the Pope said Mass). If they want to be up close and personal, the fee is quite a bit higher than if they just want to cover the event.
    I guess he plans to retire his campaign debt that night.

  203. yes, gail, he’s always charged for them. Friend of mine went into his hq here during the primaries because she wanted some campaign stuff for pictures she was making of her dogs. heh. (btw, she’s a Hillary supporter.) They made her pay for the sign & buttons AND fill out a donor card for the amount of her purchase.

  204. I voted McPalin at the top. Downticket, I voted a mixture of mostly Dem/a littleRepub (and one Lib!) – white, black, Hispanic, female (whenever viable), male, Jewish…kind of a political cornucopia. Unfortunately, I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for our incumbent mayor, as she’s in league with too many greedy developers – never met a yard of concrete she couldn’t embrace.

  205. That must explain why I’m only seeing the stickers on
    Lexus SUV’s, lolol

  206. Voting for downticket Democrats gives Obama a filibuster proof majority– an enabling act. You remember that phrase from history. A certain dictator needed one of those in 1933 to get his agenda passed.

  207. Laurie @6:00 PM

    “Which he’ll have to pay back tenfold (at a conservative estimate) with tax payers $$$$ if he gets into office….

    ayup. He’s rung up enough “debt” to run a small country.

  208. In my county we paid for Kerry signs and we paid for Hillary signs. Even the Republicans are asking for a donation this year – and they’re the ones with the money around here.

  209. I just visited an interesting site called Democracy Corps research and strategy–one of the things they examine are the ‘undecided voters’ or ‘target groups’ BO needs to get out in the last 2 weeks of the campaign:

    The Undecided Voters
    One of the essential tasks of the Obama campaign during the closing weeks will be to ensure they get their fair share of undecided voters (7 percent of the electorate). These undecided voters are slightly more favorable towards Obama than McCain and their cold feelings towards the Republican Party are 8 points higher than the Democratic Party.
    Undecided voters are more likely to be:
    • Women (60 percent compared to 53 percent overall)
    • Older Women (34 percent compared to 28 percent overall)
    • White Non-College Women (33 percent compared to 25 percent overall)
    • Older Non-College Women (24 percent compared to 19 percent overall)
    • White Married Women (34 percent compared to 28 percent overall)
    • Independents (45 percent compared to 26 percent overall)
    • Independent Women (27 percent compared to 11 percent overall)
    • Moderates (47 percent compared to 39 percent overall)
    1 Based on 3 surveys among a total of 3,044 likely voters conducted from September 30 to October 14, 2008 in CO, IA, IN, FL, MI, MN, MO, MT, NC, NH, NM, NV, OH, PA, VA, WI.

    Do these people remind you of PUMAS?????

  210. chimera, hell yeah! I’ll take a rogue woman over the corporate insider any day.

  211. johninca – we’re trying our best so that McCain wins and has a Democratic congress. We’re going for balance here.

  212. Democracy corps

  213. OMG, Laurie they’re totally PUMA’s!! (with all due respect to our male PUMA’s).

  214. Latest Obama advocates: Opie, Andy Griffith, Fonz
    By JAKE COYLE,AP Entertainment Writer AP – Friday, October 24

    As the election nears, Ron Howard is getting desperate.

    In a video posted Thursday on Funnyordie.com, the actor-turned-director reprises his role on “The Andy Griffith Show” as a way to rally support for Barack Obama.

    While speaking into the camera, Howard has his beard shaved, dons a youthful red wig and puts on the kind of outfit he would have only worn as Opie Taylor in the `60s.

    “I’ve never done this before and I hope never to do it again, but I guess you could say I’m feeling pretty desperate these days,” explains Howard. “So as a demonstration of my sincerity, this is for you America.”

    Then, in black-and-white, Howard sits down in the woods to talk to “Pa”: Andy Griffith. Griffith advises Howard-as-Opie that he’ll be able to vote someday, so long as he eludes the butterfly ballot.

    That’s not the only old TV show revisited by Howard, who years ago traded child stardom for directing movies like “A Beautiful Mind” and this fall’s “Frost/Nixon.”

    Another wardrobe change prepares him to step back into “Happy Days,” the beloved show that ran from 1974-1984 in which Howard played Richie Cunningham.

    Standing in front of a vintage car and clad in a leather jacket is Henry Winkler, once again with the unmistakable coif _ and greaser demeanor _ of the Fonze. Winkler, still having some trouble with his pronunciation, tells Howard this election is everyone’s chance to right a wr-wr-wrong.

    Stepping back out of character, Howard says he, Griffith and Winkler returned to their television roots to urge support for Obama and “really think through this important election.”

    The video is the latest clip from FunnyOrDie.com, which has made news this election season by putting Hollywood celebrities in funny political videos. The site, which was co-founded by Will Ferrell and Adam McKay, has produced popular videos featuring Paris Hilton in a mock campaign ad and Gina Gershon as Sarah Palin.

    Because the videos are produced quickly _ McKay and company can dispatch a small crew in just hours _ the site can create timely videos related to the news. In another video posted this week, Natalie Portman and Rashida Jones suggest their solution to the economic crisis: “Puppies!”

    The video came together when Howard called Judd Apatow, the director and producer who is a partner with FunnyOrDie. Apatow referred him to McKay, who wrote a draft of the script with Howard’s input. Jake Szymanski, who directed the Hilton video, shot it.

    “We were all in TV heaven,” McKay said in an e-mailed statement. “I mean, it’s the Fonz and Andy Griffith. Those were my second Fathers.”

  215. katiebird, you still around?

  216. I wonder if those Republican strategists who thought up the idea of using Obama to take down HRC because O would be so easy to beat are having any second thoughts this week?

  217. Nick, you and I disagree on something that is very important to me: Sexism and misogyny. I don’t like ’em. As a matter of fact I hate ’em. And there is no way on this earth that I will support a candidate who blatantly and unrepentantly exploited both. That candidate would be Barack Obama. On the other hand, John McCain is a man who has worked across the aisle with Dems and who has reached out to the Hillary supporters that BO and the DNC said FU to. Voting for McPalin in November is not only going to be easy, it’s gonna feel damn good.

  218. New post up

  219. So Julie, what is the point of telling those of us who profoundly dislike Obama about the Ron Howard/Andy Griffith ad. If I wanted to hear about such stuff, I would close this computer and turn on the MSM. So why take up all that space to ruin a lovely blog.

  220. Yeah, JulieS9164, I saw the ad. And, frankly, it’s REALLY, REALLY CREEPY.

  221. Sorry I didn’t comment in the above post. As anyone here can tell you, I loathe Obama and find celebrity endorsements of him beyond irritating. As a Tarheel, I’m sad that “Andy” and “Opie” have joined the evil empire. And I don’t mean the New York Yankees.

  222. myiq – So you’ll be pleased to know that Guy Fawkes Day is coming!
    Celebrated in the UK and Commonwealth countries , Guy Fawkes Day is the probable source of our Mischief Night before Halloween.
    Guy Fawkes was a member of a Catholic revolutionary group that planned to carry out The Gunpowder Plot., a planned assassination plot against the Protestant King James I. The plan was to kill off the royal family and most of the nobility by blowing up the Houses of Parliament on opening day.
    Guy Fawkes was the explosives expert – yes – the Bill Ayers of his day.

    The celebration includes bonfires and the burning of strawmen!

    OH! Guy Fawkes Day is November 5. I was thinking about this when we started hearing about rioting after the election.

  223. Jangles-he’s still easier to beat than HRC would have been…. 😉

  224. JulieS9164 – thanks for the commentary on Ron Howard. I saw a brief portion of this while cruising through the channels. I think it is sad – just really sad, because I liked Howard as Opie, he is a good director, but obviously, like so many celebs, they do not vet their candidates or they accept corrupt ones. I appreciate knowing how this came about – expecially since I saw Ron with “hair” it the short portion and was thinking he really did go Hollywood!! Adam McKay has two very poor father figures in my estimation. Which brings up another point regarding what the BZero candidacy stands for as far as a role model – jeebis.

    I live in the Tarheel State too though I am not originally from here(WNC).

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