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CNN hack tries to ambush Governor Palin

This Tim Russert wannabe hit Sarah with a question asking her reaction to this partial quote:

“it’s sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward, or — or, well, all of the above.”

But here was the FULL quote:

Watching press coverage of the Republican candidate for vice president, it’s sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward, or — or, well, all of the above. Palin, the governor of Alaska, has faced more criticism than any vice-presidential candidate since 1988, when Democrats and the press tore into Dan Quayle. In fact, Palin may have it even worse than Quayle, since she’s taking flak not only from Democrats and the press but from some conservative opinion leaders as well….

 Yes, there are legitimate concerns about Palin’s lack of experience. Who wouldn’t, at the very least, wish that she had more time in the governor’s office on her résumé? But a look at Palin’s 20 months in power, along with interviews with people who worked with her, shows her to be a serious executive, a governor who picked important things to do and got them done — and who didn’t just stumble into an 80 percent job-approval rating.

Slightly different meaning, no?  This sleazy tactic worked for Charlie Gibson, but Sarah’s a fast learner.

h/t Ace of Spades


212 Responses

  1. Sarah certainly maintained much more control that I would have.

  2. I hate the press.

  3. OK — WTF is wrong with our media? Why aren’t they reporting Joe Biden and his gaffs? Or all the other shit? They call this journalism.

  4. You know, I’ve about had it. I am outraged. I am sick to death. I am about to jump off of a cliff. There is nothing this woman could do that the MSM would approve of.

    This freaking campaign has torn women apart. It has tried to make us into the anti-christ. We are no longer good enough to birth babies.

    Maybe sexist men should figure out a way to clone themselves.

  5. myiq2xu, good find!

  6. I may never trust the press again. And to think that I did trust many of them before all of this. I hate them, too.

  7. I hope someone shows her the whole quote, so she sees how they are trying to dupe her. What a jerk. The press is not just stupid, they are dangerous. This deliberate misinformation and distortion campaign creates rage and fear that eventually turns into violence. It is the height of irresponsibility in a democracy. I think part of the PUMA mission going forward needs to be a focused resistance to the media, including organized boycotts against the worst offenders. Hit them in the pocketbook–that will get their attention.

  8. Even if you didn’t know he was taking the quote out of context you can tell he’s a hack because he doesn’t know the name of the author he is citing. Of course, the Obots are too dumb themselves to recognize that.
    Nonetheless, she handled it well, imo.

  9. This is how the press has treated those of us on the right since the 1960s. I guess I’m used to it…

  10. sod — where did you read that McCain is pulling back on Rezko etc? Last night on Lou Dobbs one of the commentors (the panel at the end of the show) said he thought it was a bad idea during the summer when McCain said that Wright was off limits but now the head of McCain’s campaign said they would revisit that decision. (or words to that effect).

  11. I hate the press too. this has got to be stopped. And why is tpm all over this? do they think it was funny? a good gotcha–ha ha he called her stupid? I hate all of those a#*holes. they are the slime of the earth. This is the verbal equivalent of the terry tate ad. he might as well have walked up and slapped her in the face.

  12. he didn’t even ask her a question. what a tool. David shuster/KO wannabe.

  13. All this viciousness must mean that the polls are very narrow indeed. Press doesn’t care as much about the Reps when they are indeed 20 pts behind,lolol.

  14. SOD:

    Angie talked about it 2-3 threads back

  15. I already boycott much of the media and am prepared to go commando.

  16. Journalists: “You can’t blame us! We’re just following orders!”


    No culpability!

    Principles be damned! Full speed ahead!

  17. Cyn: please don’t jump off a cliff, there has to be enough of us to make life a living hell if obama wins.

  18. It is clear that the AMERICAN PHALIC PRESS doesn’t want women anywhere near the OVAL OFFICE. Everyone of them has said glorious things about Obama all the while beating down the women for DARING TO COMPETE!

    A woman was killed in Afghanistan, that place that didn’t warrant ONE MEETING from its CHAIRMAN Obama on the oversight committee, because they feared she may have been spreading Christianity. NO, she was they doing humanitarian relief! Where is the out cry? OH, it was just a ‘woman’ that was killed in cold blood…move along! A journalist received the DEATH PENALTY for asking about women’s rights, but had the sentence reduced to several years.

    Even the men are getting the axe for supporting women in Afghanistan! Sheesh! When will misogyny end?


  19. Did you see Cindy McCain on Greta (FOX) last night? Her facial expressions were great. She said very clearly this is a women running for Vice President of the United States and Doomsberry shows her in a swimming suit.

    WTF —

    This media circus as to STOP. I think we all need to boycott. The LGBT community did it to Coors a number of years ago. Puma’s should rally and say NO MORE.

  20. Dave- Granted the Obama treatment is crazy, but to suggest that the Right has suffered since the l960’s is disingenuous. Gore, Kerry and Clinton were unfairly tried by the press and Bush and Reagan got a free ride. The Iraq War was a ‘mission’ of not only Bush but of the MSM as well.

  21. jjmtacoma,

    I think Obama will be our living hell, but thanks for talking me down. 🙂

  22. I looked up the senate race polls. I figure these probably more accurately reflect how a state will go, red or blue. I see tight races in some of the swing states, so called. I have hope that McCain will prevail b/c I have a hard time envisioning an America where most people agree with Keith Olbermann.

  23. Calling out Obama on wealth redistribution and tax policy is apparently having more effect than references to Bill Ayres. Most voters apparently don’t remember the SDS and the Weathermen and don’t care. But they certainly will understand what lies in store for them when the government takes their money in order to “spread it around.” McCain should have been doing this a month ago. This is the crux of the difference between Obama and McCain.

  24. And I would think Biden’s bizarre gaffe, though Andrea Mitchell outright didn’t cover it-only a complimentary sentence about O.

    “Cause I can!” yick!

  25. Kudos to these brave women standing up for, and standing beside, Sarah Palin. If you haven’t read Gretawire yet for the new endorsements, here is the link: http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/feminists-endorse-palin-mccainpalin/#comment-2576842

  26. Cyn: Maker’s Mark helps. Hey, I’m still thlgoygppping.

  27. sod — I understood — thanks for the response to my question. As to the Berg case, I don’t think that Obama missed any deadlines. It is true that Rule 36 requires that requests for admissions be answered within 30 days or they are deemed admitted by the Court. However, in this case, before those 30 days were up, BO filed a motion for protective order asking the court to rule that he did not have to answer the requests. By filing that motion, BO “stopped the clock” on the 30 days running. Now, the court can either rule on the motion that BO has to answer the requests & a deadline for him to do so. OR, the court will rule that BO does not have to answer the requests. So, what Berg is filing now seems to me to be a strategic move to force the court to rule on the motion for protective order.

  28. If O wins, we may never hear anything at all. He will probably ban all recording devices at functions. He claims he didn’t even know he was being recorded at that SF “bitter, clingy” fundraiser.

    And who in the press is gonna be a watchman on his administration. They will feel more empowered than ever.

  29. Oh, no they didn’t! Obama supporters call Pennsylvanians “Crackers”

    Is that PC?

  30. Joe Madison on Lou Dobbs is a moron. The TX guy never said that BO was encouraging people to drop out of school. (I’m watching & reporting Dobbs on assignment for Pat J).

  31. Dave- Granted the Obama treatment is crazy, but to suggest that the Right has suffered since the l960’s is disingenuous. Gore, Kerry and Clinton were unfairly tried by the press and Bush and Reagan got a free ride. The Iraq War was a ‘mission’ of not only Bush but of the MSM as well.

    Funny how different our perspectives are. I thought the press gave Gore, Kerry and Clinton mosty a free pass. Clinton was clearly guilty of perjury (although I think it was stupid to allow a civil suit against a sitting president) and the press kept repeating the mantra that it was just sex and the Republicans had some perverse obsession. Um, no. I’m not sure how you think Gore and Kerry were badly treated. I remember Dan Rather faking a story about Bush’s National Guard service. Going even farther back, the press loathed Nixon and took glee in reporting everything about him in a negative light. (Remember Spiro Agnew’s “nattering nabobs of negativism”? Too bad Safire doesn’t write Bush’s speeches.) Reagan knew how to handle the press. He just went over their heads to the people and would not let the press define him. That’s why they called him the Teflon president–because nothing the press tried stuck to Reagan.

  32. I think Ayers is a lost cause. It makes a difference to me, but time to shift issues. Also a possible divisive issue: No Child Left Behind, which Obama supports, is very popular with African Americans but not with white Americans, although it may also break down less by race than class. It’s hard for McCain to hit Obama on issues because to a large extent they agree on the things that usually distinguish liberals from conservatives. Wealth distribution is probably it.

  33. I have listened to the media for years, and what is happening now with Obama and the MSM is totally unnatural. It is disgusting and frightening.

    It is nothing like I have ever witnessed. They are all so biased that now both Republicans and Democrats believe the MSM is working to get Obama elected. More Republicans than Democrats believe that, but there was a Gallup poll awhile back stating it.

    I will never be able to listen to Fresh Air, or listen to a news channel deliver news after this without wondering if they are lying or not.

    Sometimes I think they are doing it on purpose so he will lose because people will see it, and be sickened. I know I am. Then I wonder what they hope to gain from Obama if he becomes President. Then I watch the movie “V for Vendetta”, and I see what happens when the media supports a candidate for office. Dictatorship.

  34. jdona — thanks for that link to Greta — I love this quote from Sarah Palin’s speech:
    “When it came time for choosing someone how Barack Obama just couldn’t bring himself to pick the woman who got 18 million votes in his primary and that seems to be too familiar a story isn’t it? How it is for so many American women that the qualifications are there, but for
    some reason the promotion never comes. There is always some long explanation for why they got passed over or some unseen barrier, some excuse and that’s just one of the things I so admire about John McCain he is not someone who makes excuses.”

  35. Heard from a friend outside DC today that Paul Krugman was on NPR and called McCain’s response to the financial crisis “terrifying”.


  36. And now, Palin is scolded for using that brand new code word for black

  37. Good God, not only did that moron Joe Madison say “stick a fork in McCain he is done” (I’m only surprised he didn’t say WWTSBQ) he also said “no way is this race going to be over on Nov. 4” because there was going to be “all kinds of voter machine breakdowns.” Hasn’t he seen the memo? It is his guy who is planning to steal the election this time.

  38. The Palin hate has been just like the Hillary hate. It’s crystal clear that this is not about the person running for office, it’s about mindless resistance to the idea of women in powerful political positions.

    I agree with simofish, along with voting against Obama, we need to begin exploring other means of protesting, such as boycotts. Maybe if we begin contacting the folks running ads on these “news” programs we’ll see some results.

  39. The US “Press” totally sucks. The only place to get “real” news is online. I can’t even watch the evening news, I find myself screaming “I’ve already read that” or “that is a big ole pile of horse pucky” Forget the political shows. As as sorry as I am to say it, only Fox News seems to be fair and balanced. How f–king crazy is that? I think we have somehow been transported in the “Twilight Zone.”

  40. JulieS9164 — I stopped listening & cut off my monthly donations to NPR back in March when they started in with the WWTSBQ.

  41. Oh hell, does this mean we don’t have to lay back think of England anymore? Da big mens is not gone like that one.

  42. Inspired by RD’s interview with Heidi Li & Marc,
    we’re trying to raise money for the Denver Group.

    Please see


  43. I don’t think that NCLB is that popular with AA’s. I don’t think it is that popular with anybody, actually. It doesn’t do anything for AA’s, it harms them equally as all others. As I like to call it, No Child Left Unharmed. The fact that Obama does support it is amazing. What is popular with AA’s and working class people are programs like Head Start and after school programs for kids. I haven’t heard Obama say squat about those. I did see an ad this evening where he tells parents to read to their kids. Guess thta’s kinda like his health care plan which is to encourage people to not get sikc.

  44. angienc – which part of our fair city are you in? I’m south (zone4).

    I told my friend that I found the characterization of McCain’s actions as “terrifying” was bizarre, since his main “action” was to stop campaigning and go back to Washington to work on the bailout the way he was being paid to do as a Senator, unlike Obama who was holed up in his Tampa hotel room cramming for the debate.

  45. Hey, jennie. Good post.

    You have wonder, what kind of candidate is BO if he needs such total, worshipful media bias to win? You also have to wonder: what does a free and fair election mean? Is it only an issue of clean registration, clean voting? Is it also clean access to the public airwaves, the ability to hear competing voices, the freedom from propaganda from a small number of powerful corporations?

    I’m starting to wonder what the definition of “stealing an election” really is.

    And like you, I also am starting to understand how a “V” society comes about.

  46. And, way to go Sarah! I love how she handed that a$$hole a “gotcha” question right back at him. As Angie pointed out, what sort of journalist quotes articles but doesn’t know the author? Answer: An incompetent one. Reminds me of those idiot obots who come on here and post a source link without apparently reading it in entirety. Doh!

  47. I wish some honest, real journalist in the MSM would take that interview as you showed it and then read the entire quote to expose how bias and unprofessional the jerks in the MSM are these days.

  48. Media Matters seems to be finding errors primarily in the reporting of news about Obama.


    I did find this Oct. 5 link to a “follow the money” story: “The Soros Syndrome” http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_591538.html

  49. I live in South Park.

  50. Gary – my daughter’s school is only about 48% white. It’s a magnet school, and I have yet to meet a parent of any race who is in favor of NCLB. When I went to Hillary’s rally here in Charlotte, she said flat out that NCLB had to be eliminated and EVERYONE in the audience cheered her.

    And yeah, Go Sarah!

  51. Palin did exactly the right. Throw it right back them. Who wrote that? Who said that? Is that taken out of context? Give me a name.

    Dickhead “reporters”, they should be ashamed.


  52. Angie:

    I thought you lived in NC? – South Park is in Colorado

  53. angie – practically neighbors! Okay, I’m closer to the Arboretum, but my daughter’s school isn’t far from you.

  54. myiq – she is in NC. That’s the name of her area of our city.

  55. I heard on public radio that one of the reasons P0well rejected McCain was because of his choice of Palin as VP running mate. WTH?

  56. I’m glad that Palin is pointing out that Obama was too big of a coward to pick Hillary as his running mate, considering she got more votes that than he did. I hope she keeps it saying too. She may be a conservative but she knows women are still on the low end of the totem pole when it comes to wages, jobs and fair treatment.

  57. Britannia – was the implication that P*well thought McCain should have picked him?

  58. simofish, on October 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pm Said:
    nv swing voter — I know the woman who was on the platform committee — she’s been to my home several times – she did so much for Hillary – she called me last night and told me everything she was doing !!


    She gave a great speech! I think I was more excited they were there than Sarah Palin. Talk about putting your beliefs before your party.

    I’ve crossed party lines in the past and it’s heartbreaking, but I have never regretted my protest vote.

    I know many of you are angry that Hillary is stumping for BO and I really wish you wouldn’t be. I respect Hillary. If she showed sour grapes, she would be called a sore loser. It would damage her credibility with the “powers that be,” and she will need those people to keep things in check and balanced.

    I’ve been a Republican since the day I could vote, but I didn’t like the horrible things being said about her as 1st lady, and I stood against those who said horrible things about her as a candidate. Issues, yes … personal attacks as a woman, no way.

  59. Dave> And what happened to Dan Rather for the National Guard story? Can you name another example?

    Gore was painted by the press and as a stiff, boring, eye-rolling, sighing elitist who invented the internet. Dubya was the guy you wanted to have beer with! Kerry was the rich, elitist, snotty, cowardly war veteran. Bush was still the guy you wanted to have beer with! The media, whipped by Republicans, was endlessly harping on non-existant Clinton scandals (travel office, White Water, VInce Foster) and real ones (Monica.) Are you kidding me that the media let Clinton off the hook?

  60. I got an email from Mark Warner today asking me to join him and Obama at a rally in Leesburg. Isn’t Obama supposed to be visiting his sick grandmother?

  61. gxm17, on October 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pm Said:

    Oh yes… Let’s say they keep playing “The Burka-Card” against powerful women like HRC, Sarah Palin, Cindy McCain, Sheila Jackson, etc. in an attempt to silence and intimidate women throughout the country. It saddens me that Dem women have collapsed under the pressure.

    I may be kind of old for fatigues but I think parentofed’s commando inclinations are on the right track. I wonder where in the hell all this is leading.

  62. Julie: Britannia – was the implication that P*well thought McCain should have picked him?

    Ha ha, you’re way ahead of me, Julie. That didn’t come to mind, but yeah, maybe his ego was hurt.

  63. Obie has scheduled her sickness for the hours between 3am Saturday and 6pm Sunday night. Other than that, he just can’t fit her in.

  64. Julie:

    I know, “South Park, CO” isn’t a real town

  65. gxm – I believe I read that Michelle Obama would be filling in for him at campaign appearances.

  66. There aren’t any real journalists left it seems. Sarah should have just kicked the guy you know where.

    Mountain Sage

  67. Joe-Chelle Gaffe countdown, what should we star the clock at?

    One note: Joe’s countdown should be substantially shorter than Michelle’s.

  68. Reg, I heard on the news that Obama will be back on the campaign trail Saturday morning. He’s not leaving for HI till Thursday afternoon, I think.

  69. “V for Vendetta” is a great movie! I’ve never read the graphic novel and don’t know why the artist disowned the film (just like he’s disowned every adaptation that’s been made of his work), but the movie is both historical and prophetic. And very frightening.

    Paul Krugman has used hysterical words to describe McCain’s actions during the meltdown before, including in his column. But his explanations never quite made sense to me. I think Krugman is simply stomping for a Democrat.

  70. I caught part of Palin’s speech in NV today and I almost mistake her for a democrat. She spoke about women issues: equal work for equal pay, she said BO pays women in his senate office 83% to male equivalent, is it that they are 17% less productive? Why did it take 20+ years since Geraldine F. before another woman is invited to the ticket whether in VP or presidential candidate, why didn’t BO select HRC, she got 18M votes, isn’t this always the case with some long excuse…..
    You all have to go read it at Gretawire!

  71. Brit: Thanks for letting me know. She doesn’t even get a weekend.

  72. If there are any real journalists left, my money would be on Christian Amanpour. She doesn’t do politics, though, and we don’t see her on teevee unless there is a crisis in some far corner of the world.

  73. myiq – there actually IS a real South Park, CO aside from the one on Comedy Central. I discovered that when I walked away from my computer and left the browser running, only to return to discover that one of my young ‘uns had slipped on and Googled South Park. It took me forever to convince her that the cartoon wasn’t happening at the real place.

    So I was a tad literal when you asked, LOL!

  74. If myiq wants to be find me he knows where to look. 😉

  75. Dave – if you believe that Bill Clinton committed perjury than you have swallowed the rightwing propaganda or, should I say, followed the lies of the folks with a basic inability to tell the truth or comprehend the facts.

    Bill did not commit perjury.

  76. Brit: Thanks for letting me know. She doesn’t even get a weekend.

    Yep, 1.5 days is what the Obama campaign reporter said.

  77. 1.5 days is too much Barky time for me.

  78. angie —

    any news?

  79. Mac said despite what his campaign mgr said, they were not going there anymore.

  80. Julies:

    Is there really a Hooterville too?

  81. Go, Sarah! Put those chauvinists on the defense!

  82. jdona, on October 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm Said:
    Kudos to these brave women standing up for, and standing beside, Sarah Palin. If you haven’t read Gretawire yet for the new endorsements, here is the link: http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/

    I was there, they were awesome and they were given as much applause and cheering as Sarah.

  83. that last one was a response to your question angie

  84. myiq, there is a mt pilot (actually it is pilot mountain), but there is no mayberry in NC. it’s actually Mt. Airy.

  85. What has really saddened and sickened me is the attitude of women on the (former) left. They either don’t get it or just don’t want to get it, but their complicity in the media violation of first Hillary and now Sarah comes with a price: lost ground for them, their daughters, their sisters, aunts, friends, co-workers… At times this has made me just want to scream. So very many women just don’t seem to comprehend a simple truth: if they don’t stand up for other women, who will stand up for them when they are under attack?

  86. DYB,

    Bush was painted as a drunk, a draft dodger, a Christian kook, an idiot (“strategery”) etc.

    Gore was painted by the press and as a stiff, boring, eye-rolling, sighing elitist who invented the internet.

    Gore did come off as stiff and boring and he was prone to make self-aggrandizing exaggerations like the Internet comment. Kerry married rich–twice–and did some pretty controversial things when he got back from Viet Nam. And the travel office and Whitewater scandals were real scandals. I don’t think the press was responsible for the Vince Foster rumors. That was more of an Internet thing–sort of like the kooks who think that the government blew up the World Trade Center.

    I do think the press cut Bush way too much slack in the immediate aftermath of the Iraq invasion. They should have reported that there were insufficient troops on the ground to maintain security. This was obvious the day the museum was looted. It is one thing to defeat the enemy’s army and quite another to maintain order in the face of an insurgency which was the direct result of Bremer’s disbanding of the Iraqi army and the exclusion of the Sunnis from the government.

  87. Dave:

    If you think Bill Clinton got a free pass then you must have missed the discussions of the size, shape and “distinguishing characteristics” of the clenis.

  88. Where is Karma when you need it?

    PALIN: I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden’s next speaking engagement. (laughter) The real problem is that these warnings from Joe Biden are similar to his earlier assessment. Remember, throughout the primary — it wasn’t that long ago — he said, Barack Obama wasn’t up to the job, he’s not ready to be president. He said, I quote, “The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.” The same Joe Biden said he would be “honored to run” on the ticket with John McCain because, he said, “the country would be better off with John McCain.”

  90. Do any white people work at Acorn?

  91. Bill Clinton definitely lied under oath in his deposition in the Paula Jones case. He was disbarred for it. This is fact, not propaganda.

    The Supreme Court should never have allowed the Paula Jones case to proceed. In fact, I would favor a constitutional amendment prohibiting civil lawsuits against a sitting president. Nevertheless, the court did allow the suit to proceed and Clinton clearly committed perjury in the case.

  92. Dave:

    The internet was in it’s earlier years for the Vince Foster thing, George Bush IS a recovering alcoholic, and Al Gore told the truth.

  93. Dave:

    Perjury requires an intentional misstatement about a material fact.

    Nothing that happened between Bill and Monica was material to the Paula Jones case.

  94. The press is down on its knees to backtrack begging to swallow.
    On No Quarter there is a story about backrack charging the press for space at his campaign headquarters on election night.
    The press is willing to pay. How sick is that.
    If there is ever a time for an internet newspaper with facts that are checked this is it.



  95. Well, I am old enough to remember Nixon getting far worse treatment than Clinton–and in my opinion behaving in a far more honorable way by resigning the presidency. I thought Clinton should have done the same under the circumstances.

    (Donning my asbestos suit now…)

  96. Bill tried to resign, Hillary and James basically told him to shut up with that nonsense. If a president should resign for having sex with someone he shouldn’t we’d have have a whole lot more Vice Presidents serving 2 and a half terms than we’ve had.

  97. Dave:

    You’re not going to get anywhere here by bringing up all that old crap about the Clintons. This is a Hillary Clinton support site. We are here because our candidate was treated terribly by the press and her own party. We think our party needs to be dismantled and started over with people who care about people and the party. We are not Republicans, and we are not going to agree with a Republican about the Clintons. So it’s better if you don’t go there. Capish?

  98. Geez: Then, why come here at all, if it makes you so sad?

  99. Okay, I’ll sign off for now. But it would be nice to be able to state an opinion and not be called names.

  100. You’re right Simo – I’ve started my own little protest – I cancelled newspaper deliveries of two of our papers. I wrote to NPR and WNYC and told them why I will not be participating in their fund raising drives this year – it isn’t much but if more of us did that and “hit them in the pocket” they might start listening.

  101. huntingdonpost, on October 21st, 2008 at 7:59 pm Said:
    I think Ayers is a lost cause. It makes a difference to me, but time to shift issues. Also a possible divisive issue: No Child Left Behind, which Obama supports, is very popular with African Americans but not with white Americans, although it may also break down less by race than class. It’s hard for McCain to hit Obama on issues because to a large extent they agree on the things that usually distinguish liberals from conservatives. Wealth distribution is probably it.

    huh? NOBODY supports the NCLB acct, at least not in it’s current state! Not McCain, not Obama, and it has nothing to do with color, class or distribution of wealth! The way the program has been instituted sucks, that is a fact. The concept behind it is great, so far it’s not working. Trust me, I live in a upper middle class suburb, probably 75% white and NO ONE is a fan of NCLB.

  102. Oh, David – how can you compare a roll in the hay with what Nixon did -come on now, be real.

  103. Dave — I am all for freedom of speech — but this isn’t the only website out here go free your speech somewhere else.

  104. Dave:

    I remember Nixon too, and the only person who called you any name is a troll who is now gone.

  105. Sarah Palin’s speech on Gretawire is fantastic. I hope she travels as much as possible with the dem women who are endorsing McCain/Palin and I hope she stumps this speech a lot. It’s a true cross-over speech, and she’s not afraid to say she’ll stand up for women.

    And you know what? This war protesting, (ex?) Democrat, gay professional woman believes her.

    Go Sarah. It’s about time.

  106. ainnj said: “I live in a upper middle class suburb, probably 75% white and NO ONE is a fan of NCLB”

    It’s flawed – I can’t imagine anyone supporting it – ever- the way it is.

  107. not to OT, but did you guys read that San Francisco is seriously contemplating to legalize prostitution???

    In the bastion of liberal feminism, you’d think they’d recognize how horribly these hookers are abused. Unbefrickinglievable. Do they even care about REAL female issues?? What female in their right mind would be a hooker if they could do something else??


  108. dave has been here before, we know him, and he seems to have figured out that he is not going to get anywhere with that vein of conversation here. others who swoop in and are unknown are less likely to be welcomed if that is your first comment. how about starting off with Hey!

  109. griffithinc, on October 21st, 2008 at 8:22 pm Said:

    I’m glad that Palin is pointing out that Obama was too big of a coward to pick Hillary as his running mate, considering she got more votes that than he did. I hope she keeps it saying too. She may be a conservative but she knows women are still on the low end of the totem pole when it comes to wages, jobs and fair treatment.

    That is what the 30% solution is all about — women, no matter whether “liberal” or “conservative” have a lot of common ground on women’s issues. The only way to stop the b.s. that happened to Hillary & which is currently happening to Palin (can you imagine ANY male governor of ANY state with even one day on the job being called “stupid”?) is to get more women in office on the national level.

  110. Dave, you don’t even want to hear my opinion of Nixon – it would probably fatally blister your monitor. Nixon didn’t gracefully resign, no way, no how. Up to the last minute, those around him (including Haig) were deeply worried that Nixon would order an army division to surround the White House, so he could dig in and defy the entire country. The guy was scary as hell and had definite imperial designs.

  111. Well, Joe Biden says that armegeddon is just around the corner.

  112. that doesn’t mean dave shouldn’t take the hint and try to avoid those topics on this site.

  113. Geez, on October 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pm Said:

    You know, I don’t agree at all with what Dave posted about Bill Clinton and find it weird that he would post such things here at a pro-Hillary Clinton site but no where in his post did he say anything demeaning about another poster or this site. He also stated that he didn’t feel it a civil suit should have been allowed to be brought against a sitting president.

  114. Gary:

    Isn’t kinda funny how a new troll swoops in to give Dave an excuse to go away crying about how he was mistreated?

  115. yeah, I swear they are just waiting for the opportunity to cause maximum disruption. they need to get a life.

  116. Geez: I don’t know if you’ve been around the entire time but those people who used to smart, incisive comments started badmouthing the Confluence long before we started returning the favor. Just because we disagree with people, that doesn’t make them morons and name-calling is at least part of the problem. Dave has never pretended to be anything but a Republican. Clearly, for this particular election we’re on the same side so it doesn’t hurt to listen to each other. As you can see, we don’t let him spew Right-Wing talking points without rebuttal. We don’t think he’s right but we certainly don’t refuse him the right to say what he thinks.

    The Confluence is what it is. If I didn’t like it here, I would leave.

  117. I think “Geez” was Dave’s sockpuppet

  118. I guess that’s the risk of standing up against what one hates about one’s party—the other side thinks it’s an open invitation for them to trash anything about that party. And they think they’d be able to get away with it.

  119. Can someone explain to me why calling McCain supporters “cr@ckers” is okay?


  120. I just got a call from Congressman Jerry McNerney’s office — they asked for me by name and said I heard you have raised thousands of dollars and are a force to be reckoned with and a true Democrat.

    Well………………… why did you give his super delegate vote to barry when Hillary won his district by huge margins? How much Pac $ did he receive from Pelois, Obama and others? I am not over the DNC not standing up when Hillary was mocked by the Trinity Church or the meeting of the RBC on May 31st. Blah, Blah, Blah

    The women on the other end was really cool — she said, I worked for Hillary in 3 states so I hear you. She said she was very angry how they treated her and upset that she wasn’t elected. She was nice — that helped.

    Well, I am a PUMA now not a loyal Democrat.

  121. Regency, on October 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm Said:
    Obie has scheduled her sickness for the hours between 3am Saturday and 6pm Sunday night. Other than that, he just can’t fit her in.

    No disrespect to his grandmother, but, our news just announced BO will be here in Las Vegas, for the 19th time. Guess they’re worried by that 1,000s long line, after the main part of the stadium was filled, that were still waiting to get in to see Sarah today. I was amazed, I expected at least 5,000, but there was a lot more than that.

  122. We have a Democratic female mayor in our town. She got elected right after Hillary suspended her campaign. And she’s doing a damn good job. I’m going to vote for every woman that is on our ballot, Dem or Repub. And I’m pretty sure, unless something happens between now and Nov. 4th, I’m voting McCain/Palin, and I have NEVER voted for a Republican in my life.

  123. On Saturday.

  124. Dave — I’ve been gone for a while — I’m not going to argue you about Bill Clinton but you are wrong on a couple of facts (and you can’t argue about facts). Clinton was disbarred for committing perjury. He was suspended for 5 years by the AK bar & had to pay a $25k fine for “misleading testimony” — as myiq has pointed out “misleading testimony” is NOT perjury. He was disbarred from practice in front of the USSC but that is a bunch of horsesh!t formality as the USSC isn’t a “bar” like the state bars are.
    Other then correcting those points, I’ve got nothing more to say to you on the subject of the Big Dawg.

  125. Regency:

    I would like to know who “Geez” was referring to because the people who made “smart, incisive comments” are still around and aren’t badmouthing us.

  126. BTW,

    I’m willing to give Drew Griffin a pass here. He’s the only journalist at CNN who actually bothered investigating ACORN.

  127. geez said:

    I keep hoping that the site returns to its roots. Instead, more and more I find several posters and commenters ridiculing folks who used to post smart and incisive comments. Many of those folks aren’t even welcome here any more

    I think geez might be a sockpuppet for he who shall not be named 🙂

  128. so, is there any good news to hang on to today?
    I read somewhere online that a study found that the suicide rate for white middle-aged women is going up fast.
    So the political system, the mass media AND the scientific community all can agree on one thing, this country is valuing it’s women, older ones particularly, less and less. Long way baby?

  129. MyIq: I think I can guess. Who wants to head over to Alegre’s to see who still isn’t over it yet?

  130. ainnj. the weather where I am was beautiful today. it was in the lower 70’s and the state fair is going on right now, which is about 2 blocks away from where I work. the smell was hypnotic….

  131. gary:

    Maybe, but then possibly “Dave” as well.

    You-know-who would love to see if he could slide some GOP bs past us so he could point to it as evidence we are really Republicans.

  132. New post up with some interesting news!!

  133. alice — is is ok to call McCain’s supporters crackers ’cause they are crackers. d’oh. /s

  134. m–true, after I went insane and accused 3 people of being trolls I don’t trust myself anymore 😦

  135. Regency:

    We have had a few people depart, but not the ones who were making “smart, incisive comments.”

  136. Jeez — I’ve got Dancing with the Stars on (don’t tell anyone – I LOVE it) and Brian Setzer is on — the Stray Cats was the first concert I ever went to! First of all , he has gained so much weight — he doesn’t even look like the same person! Second, needs to lay off the Marlboros — his voice is shot.

  137. gary — LOL — that was funny that day you lost your mind.

  138. MyIq2xu: I was paraphrasing Geez.

  139. gary:

    I find it curious that “Geez” appeared for the first time ever just as Dave was amping up his Republican talking points.

  140. Hold on, but someone is equating lying about a blow-job to illegal wiretaps? Nixon behaved more honorably? Holy crazy Batman!

    Al Gore did not say he invented the internet. The infamous statement was made to Wolf Blitzer on CNN and anyone who thinks Gore said he invented the internet might want to google for a transcript and double-check.

  141. why Google when you can make ish up?

  142. Had the tv on listening to fox earlier today while cleaning, something about Biden’s “world testing Obama” remarks was on. When an ad came on I switched to cnn. There was footage of “Alaskan Separatists” wanting to secede. Figured it was just more Sarah bashing, so switched back to fox channel. There is so much Obi drool on almost all networks that it’s no wonder so many people seem to think he’s God’s gift to the universe. Many, many folks just don’t know what is really going on, and it’s very depressing.

  143. griffithinc — I’m voting for every woman I can find on the ballot myself (and if both the R & D happen to be women in a certain race, I’m voting for the D one just as an extra F.U. to the DNC for what they did during the primary). And I guarantee on my life that I’m voting for McCain/Palin — I don’t care if Jesus comes down & tells me to vote for Obama and/or if McCain starts skinning puppies on live tv.

  144. “Hold on, but someone is equating lying about a blow-job to illegal wiretaps?”

    Not anymore

  145. Sal, NV has had legalized prostitution forever I think. Overall, they are very happy with the brothels. They choose to work in them. They are not forced to work in them. They can leave whenever they want. Strippers live in upper middle-class neighborhoods. They have children in some of the best private schools. They choose to do this.

    It’s a huge industry here. It’s a choice. They are paid better than most management positions, most CEO’s.

    Street hookers are forced into subservience. Legalizing takes the “brute force” out of it.

    Legalizing it gives you a choice. You can choose to do this, or you can choose another career. Yes, some women feel forced into this lifestyle by the men in their life, but I know many who are single, drive a Lexus, own a 1/2 million dollar home, and are saving for when they can no longer do this as a career (or purchasing businesses) and are very happy with their choice.

    I remember a conversation with a woman from South Carolina who said we are so poor, one of our ladies said “we’re so poor we legalized prostitution.” Her response was a wide-eyed, oh my, we’re not that poor. She didn’t see the woman was laughing because all of us know these women easily pull in 6 figures a year and would be the first to crash down the gates of our legislature if they tried to outlaw it.

  146. Angienc: You must be so young, my first concert was Woody Herman, and he was one of the ones who originated the music that Setzer plays.

  147. I meant:
    “and if both the R & D happen to be women in a certain race, I’m NOT voting for the D one just as an extra F.U. to the DNC for what they did during the primary”

    the word “not” is very important there.

  148. Me-chelle left me a voicemail today. She said “Hello, Virginia!”(meaning the state). “Vote early or absentee if you’re not going to be in your precinct on election day”. Then she repeated herself a few times, added some blah, blah and more blah. “Paid for by the VA Dems and Odrama for America.” After I finished puking, I deleted it. Yipee! Me-chelle cares about my vote!

  149. griffithinc — I’m not that young, maybe just a *little* younger than you 🙂

  150. Honey, I imagine you’re a lot younger than me. 😉

  151. Regency, on October 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm Said:
    Obie has scheduled her sickness for the hours between 3am Saturday and 6pm Sunday night. Other than that, he just can’t fit her in.

    Guess he doesn’t want to “regret” making a visit in case she dies, like he failed to do with his own mother. What a guy.
    My mother died from ovarian cancer. And for anyone who doesn’t know, it’s one of the most awful and painful ways to go. It’s not a quick sudden death, unfortunately, so I am curious as to why he couldn’t find the time to visit his dying mother when he was NOT running for Pres. of the U.S. Was he doing something at the time that was more important?
    But of course his grandmother was there for her.
    That typical white woman who he didn’t hesitate to throw under the bus for his poitical aspirations, who raised her grandchild, took care of her daughter during her last days and then watched her die.

    I believe mr. obama was a bit too busy to make the funeral either.

  152. angienc, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    tsk tsk tsk “sweetie”, did you know that the Messiah has already told you to VOTE for Obama??


    “My job this morning is to be so persuasive…that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack,” he told a crowd of about 300 Ivy Leaguers–and, by the looks of it, a handful of locals who managed to gain access to what was supposed to be a students-only event.

  153. Ainnj, he was running for State Sen. at the time.

  154. I liked what Sarah said :

    Palin fed off the words of Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, who said Sunday that Obama would be challenged by an international crisis in his first six months of office. During a rally at the Reno Convention Center, Palin listed four scenarios “that would place our country at risk in an Obama administration,” including sitting down with dictators and sending American troops to Pakistan over the objections of the country’s leader.

    “But I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden’s next speaking engagement,” Palin said. “Let’s call that crisis scenario number five.”

  155. nv swing voter

    I know that they’re not physically forced, but how many women start out wanting to be hookers? As a man, I see it as pure and simple degradation and the ultimate exploitation of a woman, regardless of her paid consent or not.

  156. I’m torn about the legalizing the prostitution issue — yes it is exploitive of women but otoh in places that have it legalized (NV, countries in Europe) there is a lot less abuse from “pimps” & the women have mandatory health screenings, etc.

  157. angienc, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pm Said:

    And I guarantee on my life that I’m voting for McCain/Palin — I don’t care if Jesus comes down & tells me to vote for Obama and/or if McCain starts skinning puppies on live tv.

    LOL, ok that gave me a chuckle, and I believe nothing will stop you from voting mccain/palin.

  158. Dave, I’m going to respectfully disagree with you. The biggest mistake the Republican Party made was crucifying Bill Clinton over lying about an affair. Sorry, if every person who cheated and “swore” they didn’t in family court was arrested for perjury, we would not only have to build more prisons, but there would still be no room for actual criminals. It was petty and grasping for straws.

    I was thoroughly disgusted with my Party when they did this.

  159. and let me add — if the prostitution is going to happen anyway (which it is) then why not have regulations on it. I actually feel the same way about drug use — people are going to take drugs anyway, make them legal, regulate it & tax it.

  160. I say legalize it. I think the ability to regulate prostitution is a public health issue. People (while admittedly mostly men) will continue to employ prostitutes regardless of its legality so we may as well make it legal. That we can more effectively screen the health of the women and ensure their safety, as well as the safety of their customers. As it stands, we catch ’em, we throw them in jail, they do their time, they go back onto the streets and hook further. That isn’t solving anything.

  161. Regency, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm Said:
    Ainnj, he was running for State Sen. at the time.

    Oh, well there you go. He WAS doing something much more important. Besides, mother’s come and go, but how often do you get elected to a political office where all you have to do is vote “present” and then it’s on to the Senate for a few days and poof, your president!

  162. angienc, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    I know that an argument has been made that it is sexual empowerment, but honestly I don’t buy it. Empowerment in my opinion comes from control, and once that money exchanges hands, there is no control.

    A hooker can get paid well, but honestly, wouldn’t it be more satisfying for her to do something with her brain? I think females have a lot more to offer society than simply their bodies.

  163. angienc, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm Said:
    Jeez — I’ve got Dancing with the Stars on (don’t tell anyone – I LOVE it) and Brian Setzer is on — the Stray Cats was the first concert I ever went to! First of all , he has gained so much weight — he doesn’t even look like the same person! Second, needs to lay off the Marlboros — his voice is shot.

    He was a year behind me in high school (along with jessica hahn, we produced all sorts of “talent” in my home town) I tell my kids I went to school with brian setzer and they say “who”? Sorry to hear he looks so different. He was a pretty small skinny kid for many years.

  164. When the economic situation in America has reached a point where a woman without a high school diploma can make a suitable living working at McDonald’s, I will then judge her on what other ways she chooses–and by that I meant gives consent–to make her living.

    I think that very few women actually want to prostitute themselves but if they truly feel that this is what they need to do, I want to 1) remove the social stigma of having done this 2) keep them healthy and whole so that once they’ve reached a point where they transition to a more “acceptable” profession that they don’t carry any lingering scars or marks from their former life 3) keep them alive period, whether they do this for the rest of their able years or quit tomorrow.

    Women have control once there are safeguards in place. As of right now, there is NO safety net and thus no control.

  165. Sal — I’m not trying to make an argument for sexual empowerment through legalizing prostitution & if it came across that way, I apologize because I don’t think there is any sexual empowerment through prostitution. What I am saying is that places that do have legalized prostitution that I know of have less disease being spread through prostitution (the women have to go through mandatory, periodic health screenings, use condoms) & the “brothels” are relatively clean & safe (compared to the streets where prostitution is now taking place). Prostitution is literally the oldest profession — it is not going to stop being practiced. So *maybe* it is better to regulate it and, thus, make it safer all around.

  166. nv swing voter, IMO it’s very sad that we live in a culture that values strippers over teachers. It’s my hope that one day things will be better. If people (men and women) want to get naked and dance, have at it, but personally I think it needs to be equitable, in other words everyone naked and everyone dancing. Otherwise it’s just a perpetuation of the idea of a woman’s body as property.

  167. McCain had an even better response to Biden’s “Obama will be tested” than Palin. Biden specifically mentioned Cuban Missile Crises in his speech. McCain reminded Biden that he, McCain, was involved in that conflict as a soldier, sitting in the cockpit of his plane, waiting for orders. McCain was there in the middle of the crises, ready to act on the orders of the President. Biden gave McCain a pretty good opportunity to remind people of his very serious military career.

  168. This is what McCain said, per an AP article:

    McCain recalled being ready to launch a bombing run during the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, which Biden said over the weekend tested a new President John F. Kennedy and was the template for the kind of “generated crisis” the 47-year-old Obama would face within six months of taking office.
    “I was on board the USS Enterprise,” McCain, a former naval aviator, said in the capital city of Harrisburg. “I sat in the cockpit, on the flight deck of the USS Enterprise, off of Cuba. I had a target. My friends, you know how close we came to a nuclear war.”

    As the crowd of several thousand began to swell with cheers and applause, he added with dramatic effect: “America will not have a president who needs to be tested. I’ve been tested, my friends.”

  169. ainnj, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pm Said:

    Cool story! I loved Brian Setzer when I was a girl — he does really look back now. Jessica Hahn too? How can you tell — she looks so different after all the work she’s had done. ha! ha!

    I knew Harry Connick Jr. — he was a few years ahead of me in High School — we went to different high school, me an all girl’s one, him an all boy’s one — but we lived in the same neighborhood. I’m sure he wouldn’t remember me — truth is, I didn’t pay much attention to him either until after he became famous and it dawned on — “hey! he grew up on such and such street! I know him!”

  170. angienc,

    I’ll be the first to admit my heart breaks for these women when I watch a documentary on them and hear about the struggles they deal with. It’s just that I feel like we’re enabling the prostituion by legalizing it. Is this a profession that we would want our daughters to go into? And doesn’t it contribute to the misogynistic and sexist attitudes that reared its head in the primaries? I know it’s the world’s oldest profession, but that simply means that women have been abused for the longest.

  171. Simo, I have a great picture of her, how do I contact you to email?

  172. Actually Sal, the story you linked to refers to decriminalization, not legalization.

    And Angie said nothing about empowerment.

    Why did you bring the story here anyway?

  173. I’m with ya Sal. I think humanity needs to embrace the idea that people can’t be bought and sold. There’s a disquieting kinship between slavery and prostitution.

  174. DYB, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm Said:

    Great response by McCain DYB — I saw it on Dobbs tonight too. Unfortunately, the Obots who I am convinced don’t know their a$$es from a hole in the ground & thus have no concept of what being “qualified” means, will just argue that this shows how “old” McCain is and/or that he would have crashed his plane.

  175. Jim Morrison, Mama Cass, John Phillips AND Willard Scott went to my high school. All waaaay before me though. 😉

  176. Did anyone watch the Palin interview on CNN with Drew Griffin? The fact that the interview is not being looped on the networks means that it was great! It’s about 19 minutes, take a look…..

  177. GX, I’ll agree with that. Teachers are most important; however, unfortunately, the money is really very good. They make at least 4x what I earn (or any teacher for that matter). I just can’t see treating them as second class citizens for their choice of careers. Street hookers are treated horrendously, and they can’t get out, legalize and protect seems to work much better.

  178. myiq2xu, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    I thought that decriminalization=legalization. My apologies if the two terms are different.

    I brought up the empowerment thing because it is an argument for it that I’ve heard before. I didn’t mean to imply that angie went near that. She didn’t. I just brought up the topic because it’s something that really interested me and the fact that it’s in San Fran, with so many liberal feminists (hi Pelosi) from there who a) ditched Hillary in the primaries and then b) attacked Palin with a viciousness.

  179. Jumping on before catching up on the thread. Has anyone done the obligatory “Alan Colmes is an as*hat” post yet? If not,


    And did ya see that Oprah is helping Obie produce is supercalafragalistickexpealidocious special on TV??

  180. Sal — it seems we are talking at cross purposes & we aren’t going to get anywhere with this. I’m not justifying prostitution or encouraging it. If you think I am there’s nothing I can say to persuade you otherwise.

  181. fif — gah! I forgot to watch Hannity & Colmes — thanks for the Colmes is an a$$hat reminder.

  182. I have to say I do like Michael Steele. He is a very intelligent, fair-minded commentator, for a change. He’s classy.

  183. fif, I’m a Michael Steele fan too. He’s a gem.

  184. angienc, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm Said:
    and let me add — if the prostitution is going to happen anyway (which it is) then why not have regulations on it. I actually feel the same way about drug use — people are going to take drugs anyway, make them legal, regulate it & tax it.

    angie- the govt wont allow it. too much competition for them… they screw us, then take our money…

  185. Sal:

    Who suggested that legalizing prostitution “empowered” the women? Do you have a link?

    I’ve never seen anyone make that argument

  186. I read Palin’s speech in Nevada today (someone posted a link above), and it was great! Four prominent Dem feminists endorsed her, and she spoke a lot about women’s rights here and around the world. Very powerful and new for her. She should do that more often. Hillary-esque.

  187. angienc,

    I think you’re right. I will say that I do see your point of view on how to help these prostitutes. I just think we have different approaches to it.

  188. Michael Steele is totally rico suave.

    Unlike Colmes — like school in the summer time — nooo class (my favorite Fat Albert line, btw)

  189. I have already voted and cast a ballot for the only two women on the ballot: McPalin and some no name libertarian woman running for state senate that I know will have no chance of winning. nevertheless, I’ve done my bit fo’ king and country.

    As for Sarah! I’m beginning to really love this woman. I loved her comments during the interview about how the press would have reacted if she had been the one to suggest that electing Obama would bring a national crisis like Biden did. Both she and the interviewer agreed that the press would have been all over her case, but that they’re giving Biden a free pass

  190. kitchen — lol!

  191. gxm: who is that little cutie for your avatar? I always notice that sweet little face and mean to ask you.

  192. all right elderj! doing it for “king & country” I like that!

  193. fif — I always think that must be gxm’s son. Am I right?

  194. gxm — he is totally adorable, btw.

  195. CNN is laying the propaganda on t hick. I can’t believe this, on the heels of the paliin interview bullshit. this is a headline on their site

    Congressman admits saying, ‘Liberals hate real Americans’

    they try to keep alive the false smear that Palin said some americans are more “real”. funny thing is, this congressman is from NC, and I”ve looked all over the local media and can’t find a peep about it.

  196. myiq2xu, on October 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    It’s been a while since I checked up on the subject, but a quick search on Google brought up some stuff that you might find interesting.


    The name Roberta Perkins and her views on prostitution also comes to mind

    I hope that helps! 🙂

  197. Whoever mentioned Christiane Amanpour above – I agree, she’s a great journalist. And I’m glad that she stays out of domestic politics. She’s married to Jaime (James) Rubin, who worked in Bill’s White House and was a member of Hillary’s campaign.

  198. That’s my grandson. I always tell my daughter that kid won the genetic lottery. If you could see him in person you’d understand because he lights up a room with his megawatt smile. All my grandbabies are beyond beautiful but the Gus monkey is my bright star. 🙂

  199. gary — the only problem is that the Bubba vote (who definitely consider themselves “real Americans”) will read that headline and think “yep, they sure do” so this is going to backfire on Teh Precious — Bubba’s have seen BO & friends call them “bitter xenophobes clinging to guns & religion” & r@cists. Now, BO & friends are on a vendetta against “one of their own” (Joe the Plumber). So, why shouldn’t they believe that liberals hate them?

  200. Good lord — Biden is out on the trial actually making the “guilt by association” argument between McCain & Bush with a straight face. Funny how the msm doesn’t think “guilt by association” works with BO & any of his slimy friends.

  201. brb — try not to miss me. Have to walk the dogs.

  202. Wayne Kramer wrote a song for Christiana Amanpour, aptly titled “Christiana.” It’s a great song too. One of my fave’s of his, actually.

  203. This election has become a complete farce. There is hardly anyone telling the truth out there. Sarah Palin comes closest. They are so desperate to excuse and cover up all of O’Biden’s gaffes and problems, they grab onto anything even remotely related to McPalin and try to compare it. Sarah’s quote re: “pro-American” parts of the country is completely taken out of context. But they know that–and don’t care. Not so long ago, Biden said he’d be honored to be on a ticket with McCain. Now he is a Bush clone with no ethics. Nice.

  204. fif — if someone wrote a book about what is going on in this election people would think it was fiction.

  205. Oh man, we could write a book about the disparity between the MSM coverage of the Obama and McCain campaigns. Really, someone should. It would make a great textbook on fallacious arguments as well as bad journalism.

  206. OMG — Kerry made an adult diaper joke about McCain & the crowd ate it up?!?! And they splice it with Kerry droning on about how terrible the GOP attacks are? F*ckwad.

  207. I love Greta — she just said “Sen. Kerry is no spring chicken himself. How old is he?” (He is 65) — and she actually referenced his “joke” about people who make “Cs in college end up in Iraq” and dared him to say it to McCain’s face! LOL Love Greta!
    OOH, now she is bringing on Wright (I refuse to give him the title “Rev.”).

  208. Oh sorry! New thread — meet me there, myiq? 😉

  209. angienc, on October 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    whoa angienc, it was simply something I learned about a while ago which I attributed only to the far left fringes of the legalizing prostitution movement. It’s somethign that simply jumped to my mind because of the topic, and I in no way meant to attribute that to you.

    My whole argument against the legalization of it is that it exploits women, that’s all.

  210. Have you all seen the CNN video of Obots and far-left nuts trying to physically block Palin’s motorcade in Colorado? The police had to smack them down hard, and then they’d get back up and try to hurl themselves at the cars in her motorcade. Kind of like the thug who slammed “her” in that interview about what news she reads.

    For those of you who were concerned that the Obama campaign will encourage his deranged cult-member followers to inflict real bodily harm on women, this is another video that indicates you are correct.

  211. angie, when you write “I’m voting for every woman I can find on the ballot myself: do you not see how similar it sounds to “I’m voting for the black man”?

    It does appear to be chauvinistic. I know the times can demand a certain response, but that’s the argument of the BO supporters, too.

    Myiq has written quite a bit about getting over the them versus us ways of thinking, and I feel that voting for black people because they are black, or women because they are women, or men because they are men, perpetuates a dichotomous reaction.

    Am I seriously missing something?

  212. […] So when some cog in this machine, which enables the power structure that benefits the capitalist overlords, goes out of wack and actually questions the motivations of that power structure, it must be cut out like a cancerous tumor.  This is exactly what the Obama campaign is doing now.  And predictably, the rest of the media that is part of this “morally grotesque” discourse piles on and discredits that part of the press which is actually doing its job.  Of course any opposition to the predetermined  winner in this election is immediately pounced upon by those who are manufacturing the public opinion.  For example: […]

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