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Sunday: You don’t need permission to be angry, ladies

This election season has brought out the worst in both parties.  It has pulled back the veil on the Democratic party, exposing a vicious sexism we used to vaguely sense but made valiant efforts to deny.  We found out just how much contempt the privileged had for the working class.  It’s a sneering, heartless anger that “those people” can’t get their $#%^ together, drive too much, got old and, dammit, the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Models with PhDs in Architecture are pissed.

It’s just as bad on the Republican side.  Many of them see a country full of Willie Hortons and welfare cheats and godless, commie heathens with no sense of patriotism and they’re mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore.

But women?  Well, we’re not supposed to be angry about any of this.  We’re supposed to be the better half.  We’re supposed to be content to play a secondary supporting role, to be fulfilled with our unique dignity and mystery or some other condescending treacle that sounds like it came out of a missive from the Pope.  Lanny Davis’ column in the Wall Street Journal on Friday, Hillary Made Obama a Better Candidate, is a perfect example of the “let’s give women a round of applause for being such great sports, helpers and clean-up team mates” genre.

Lanny would have you believe that Hillary Clinton’s primary purpose, her divine purpose and the purpose for which she was uniquely created, was to be Barack Obama’s sparring partner.  Yes, Hillary honed him and made him the candidate we see today.  Forget your lying eyes that told you that Hillary was the better candidate and that adversity actually made her better as time went on.  Forget the notion that maybe Hillary wanted the job as much or even more than Obama did.  Forget that her ambition burned just as brightly.  As Lanny sees it, she was just Obama’s help mate.  I might add that this notion is one that Hillary herself is helping to perpetuate by her slavish devotion to a party that betrayed her.  As much as I admire her, she is not setting a very good example.

But there is one section of Lanny’s letter to to the ladies that is more irritating than the rest:

The second claim often repeated late in the primaries is that the Clintons wouldn’t really have their hearts in campaigning for Mr. Obama and that “Hillary Democrats” would become “Reagan Democrats” who would support Mr. McCain. There always was a danger that certain working-class/rural voters who strongly supported Mrs. Clinton in such state primaries as Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia would not easily transfer their support to Mr. Obama. The same worry was often repeated about Democratic women who were angry or simply grieving about Mrs. Clinton not being picked as the nominee.

Ladies, how many times have you heard a guy tell you that you have no reason to be angry or that your anger was cute or childish and that you’ll feel better later?  I don’t know how many people I read on the blogs yesterday who singled out the above passage and quickly distanced themselves from the anger.  I’ve even been guilty of doing it myself.  That is not to say that cold-blooded pragmatism is not necessary for clearing our heads and thinking logically.  But let us acknowledge the emotion that drives us to this point.  We’re bloody pissed off.  We’re full of righteous indignation.  We’re angry.

We just sat through eight of the most reactionary years in our nation’s history.  George Bush has dragged science back into the stone age.  He’s eroded whatever safety net this stingy ass country gives women.  There we were, thrilled with the prospect that one of OUR gender, who was the absolute best candidate hands down, was going to take over the White House and start putting it all back together again.  And she was done in by her own fricking party.  Hillary Clinton could survive the media attacks.  She rose above it.  She could withstand the attacks from the Republicans.  She eventually earned their grudging respect.  But she could not survive the backstabbing manipulations and betrayal of her own party in the service of a man who wasn’t even qualified to serve as her apprentice.

Damn straight we’re angry.  It is now being reported that white boomer women are the voting bloc to get this year.  Gee, now why would THAT be?  Anyone want to take some guesses?  Well, my resident expert, myself, having been born at the tail end of the baby boom generation, thinks that it’s because we don’t buy into Lanny Davis type messages.  We don’t see ourselves as “helpers” with a “unique dignity”.  We see ourselves as human beings with hopes and dreams of our own.  We put our gifts, talents and hardwork into our careers and family and succeeded.  And we don’t like being sidelined, perhaps for the remainder of our lifetimes, for some unprepared male who got a boost up because he has a penis and for no other discernable reason that anyone has been able to observe or explain.  I am challenging a superdelegate to come here and explain it to us.  Tell us WHY it had to be Obama and not Hillary.  Come and tell us what the F%^& were you thinking??!

If the Democrats lose this thing, it may very well be due to the anger of women.  Obama made over $100 million in September.  His ads are flooding every available slot.  He is in our faces.  The media is shoving him in our every orifice while it hammers on Sarah Palin’s inexperience.  He has every possible advantage *including* Hillary Clinton campaigning for him better than anyone else in the country.  She works harder for the candidate than he does for himself and he still has less than a 10 point lead in the polls.  He can’t close the deal because boomer women are on the fence.  They’ve been told they aren’t allowed to get angry with the fact that neither of the candidates are at all even the least little bit concerned with their interests.  They’re not supposed to fume at losing their chance to make a historic change and vote for their own lives instead of the petty power plays of a bunch of disconnected Washington white middle aged insider men.

Ladies, you don’t have to feel guilty about being angry.  Anger is a healthy response to being threatened.  It’s part of your survival tool kit.  It helps you fight back, defend yourself and take what is rightfully yours.  You wouldn’t be normal if you *weren’t* angry about being given no choice and treated like your whole political motivation has to do with the status of your uterus.  You have every reason to be angry that in the midst of the firestorm when you are being called a c*nt, the country is forgetting that you will be hit harder than your male counterparts in the upcoming recession and that neither candidate has addressed this reality.  You are justified in being angry that if Obama is elected, your dignity as a human being will be eroded by the unchecked misogynism and anger of his supporters directed at you, Sarah Palin and Hillary.

Our means of getting even may not be vocal or visible.  It may take cool logic and precision.  But if anyone wants to tell me that I have no right to be angry they shouldn’t be surprised if they get one right to the kisser.

Get used to it, Lanny.

NOTE:  I am serious about that offer to superdelegates.  I want to hear what your reasoning was for “picking” Obama over Clinton.  We know it wasn’t experience or qualifications.  We know it wasn’t seniority, unless we’re counting penis years.  So, come and tell us why you chose him over her.  Don’t tell us why we should vote for him over McCain.  We’re not voting for Obama.  We told you this back in May.  We aren’t changing our minds.  But we need to do a retrospective analysis so this NEVER happens again and your testimonial would be very helpful to determining where the party went completely off the rails.  You can reach us at theconfluence08 at yahoo dot com.  Don’t wait until after the election is over.  We want to know NOW.

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  1. RD said:
    There we were, thrilled with the prospect that one of OUR gender, who was the absolute best candidate hands down, was going to take over the White House and start putting it all back together again. And she was done in by her own fricking party. Hillary Clinton could survive the media attacks. She rose above it. She could withstand the attacks from the Republicans. She eventually earned their grudging respect. But she could not survive the backstabbing manipulations and betrayal of her own party in the service of a man who wasn’t even qualified to serve as her apprentice.

    ****************

    Democratic Primary 2008 in a nutshell. Thanks RD.

  2. OMG! RD! Simply an awesome post! Again….you put my exact feelings into incredibly brilliant words! Thank you! And, YES, I AM ANGRY!!

  3. Rd – its incredible how you can read minds and then distill the thoughts so succinctly and with great clarity.

    I have been so angry and yes, full of despair. This election has sent me right back to my childhood – raised by an alcoholic and a paranoid narcissist….. feeling COMPLETELY powerless to the forces that swirl around me with no exit ramp.

    The insane amount of money they are pouring into this campaign… there is no legit way this is being collected. The complete insanity of the MSM …. were we always being duped like this??? and the utter lack of critical thinking going on,the devious and fraudulent voter registration tactics, the list goes on and on….

    my ONLY consolation these days is this… and it is a very small consolation… that you are right — with this much assistance he should be well ahead in the polls, I should be hearing enthusiasm for his candidacy in the streets instead of ambivalent acquiescence… and the money, god knows the money being thrown at this is the only proof I can see that the election is not a foregone conclusion because if its going to be in the bag by some devious means why keep pouring the money down the drain???

    rant over.. must go away and cry now….

  4. I love when Lanny says that we are ‘still grieving’ that Hillary WAS NOT PICKED as our nominee. The reason we are angry is that anyone was PICKED. As a Democrat, I used to believe that our party was kinda into democracy. Silly me, I thought that the money, time and talent that I donated to the DNC Primary contest was going to a legitimate election. It sure looked like the real thing when I got myself to the polling place and voted. Now, I know that the DNC bought the primary system from the USSR when they were finished with it. It was all a show election. I am mad not because Hliiiry was not picked, I am mad because the nominee PICKED by the DNC was not the one PICKED by the Democratic voters. (Yes, the capital letters do mean that I am screaming, I guess RD has unleashed the anger in me this morning.

  5. Divided-government argument floated –
    http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/17/expertinent-will-mccain-s-divided-government-argument-work.aspx

    Last night, I forwarded Michelle’s caviar-and-lobster bill to my e-mail group. This morning, my college roommate chided me, saying it was OK for them to have a romantic date before his debate and not to send her stuff like that anymore. I feel awful now. My powers of persuasion are shot to hell.

  6. Riverdaughter,

    I’m extremely angry, and I’m not feeling the least bit guilty about it. My anger is completely under control. It is cold, hard, and utterly pragmatic. I will not give an inch, not a millimeter to Obama and his thugs.

    Thanks for another great post to start my day right.

  7. Colin Powell just endorsed Obama on MTP

    sicking

  8. Great post riverdaughter and yes, I am angry -extremely angry! No matter what the media may be “reporting”, there are a great many of us who are angry. We don’t all post online or speak to pollsters or write flippant and often obscene opinion pieces on huffington or hang with the hollywood crowd or get interviewed by charlie rose but we are here and we are angry and we will show up at the polls on 11/4.

  9. God, that’s a beautiful painting. Who’s the artist?

  10. colin powell is endorsing to the choir.
    the only member of the bush administration that most democrats could trust as a stand up guy and he sat there in the UN and straight out lied to us and to the world about wmd in Iraq. His was the voice that swayed the support of the masses behind bush’s iraq war fiasco. how quickly the dim witted democrats forget…

  11. obama’s campaign held the endorsement of powell for just this moment in case their polling numbers started to drop, and they did so powell did. slime

  12. To deny or shame someone for being angry is a means to diminish the person and invalidate their feelings. It is just another tactic directed at women and children (who are also not supposed to get mad either such as angry teenagers) to control them. Thanks for pointing out this further example of negating the beliefs and “feelings” of Hillary supporters. But I think the anger has already been driven underground and will manifest itself in ways we cannot guess.

  13. Oh, it will be ok as long as Charlie Rangel doesn’t endorse him. Just saw the SNL stuff with Sarah Palin, it was horrible and flat. She did great, but there was not material there.

  14. ignore colin powell — he has been placed under the imperius curse

  15. Anger is an emotion reserved for men , or so I was told … what if … an entire ethnic group of people were told by the head of one of largest and most prominent churches in the world that they could never be ordained to the highest office in that church , and if they presumed to take it upon themselveses to do so , were were automatically excommunicated, along with anyone who helped them.??

    That missive from the pope set me off the missive says

    4. And what shall we say of the obstacles which in so many parts of the world still keep women from being fully integrated into social, political and economic life? We need only think of how the gift of motherhood is often penalized rather than rewarded, even though humanity owes its very survival to this gift. Certainly, much remains to be done to prevent discrimination against those who have chosen to be wives and mothers. As far as personal rights are concerned, there is an urgent need to achieve real equality in every area: equal pay for equal work, protection for working mothers, fairness in career advancements, equality of spouses with regard to family rights and the recognition of everything that is part of the rights and duties of citizens in a democratic State.

    but then in May of this year we hear ….

    The Vatican issued its most explicit decree so far against the ordination of women priests on Thursday, punishing them and the bishops who try to ordain them with automatic excommunication.

    The decree was written by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and published in the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, giving it immediate effect.

    A Vatican spokesman said the decree made the Church’s existing ban on women priests more explicit by clarifying that excommunication would follow all such ordinations.

    Excommunication forbids those affected from receiving the sacraments or sharing in acts of public worship.

    Rev. Tom Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University, said he thought the decree was meant to send a warning to the growing number of Catholics who favor admitting women to the priesthood.

    “I think the reason they’re doing this is that they’ve realized there is more and more support among Catholics for ordaining women, and they want to make clear that this is a no-no,” Reese said.

    The Church says it cannot change the rules banning women from the priesthood because Christ chose only men as his apostles. Church law states that only a baptized male can be made a priest.

    Proponents of women’s ordination say Christ was only acting according to the social norms of his time.

    They cite the letters of Saint Paul, some of the earliest texts of Christianity, to show that women played important roles in the early church.

    Attempts to ordain women priests are highly unusual. But the archbishop of St. Louis earlier this year declared three women excommunicated after an ordination ceremony in his diocese.

    Excommunication is usually “ferendae sententiae”, imposed as punishment.

    But some offences, including heresy, schism, and laying violent hands on the Pope, are considered so disruptive of ecclesiastical life that they trigger automatic excommunication, or “latae sententiae”.

    The decree says that women priests and the bishops who ordain them would be excommunicated “latae sententiae”.

    So here we are
    nothing to be angry about ?? We barely qualify as sentient beings in some cultures , we are exiled forever BY GOD from ever being celebrants in the catholic church .
    OF FUCKING COURSE Hillary was just bos meek and mild helpmeet

    THAT IS WHAT WOMEN ARE FOR ISNT IT????

    great post RD !!!

  16. RD, excellent three times over — well said. Being a guy and an Appalachian deadender, this anger is an equal opportunity reaction to any right thinking human. Personally, I take some solace in knowing that I will not bear any burden whatsoever for this debacle should it be successful. Not being needed does have its advantages.

  17. Yep, I’m angry all right and for each and every one of the reasons RD so eloquently laid out plus a few more: I’m angry at the media for doing more investigation into Joe the Plumber then into BO; I’m angry that people have the nerve to call themselves progressive while wearing “Sarah Palin is a c*nt” t-shirts; I’m angry that I am labeled a r@cist because I can’t abide being told to sit down & shut up & vote for Obama despite the voter fraud, sexism & r@ce-baiting that got him in this position. I left an abusive husband — I certainly have no qualms telling the Dem. Party to eff off.

  18. If they hadn’t taken to calling us c@nts, maybe I would have cared that they called us r%cists. But once you refer to me as the big C, you’re done.

    Great post RD. Gee maybe we can slip all the way back to getting our asses pinched at work. All those insults we all lived with back in the 60’s and 70’s.

    Guess I’m finally glad to be past the pinchable age.

  19. We’ve been venting all week over at IA..and our 3 parter on “Independent Thinking” has gotten a big response! (Links in the Recap.) As will this post, RD…we are all MAD AS HELL!!!

    The Past Week: Recaps & Random Thoughts, October 12-18 (A Fond Farewell; Polls and Polling Methods; Odinga Video; Fitzerald, Clintons, RICO?; Body Language and Obama the Hypnotist; Chicago; Greens!)

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/the-past-week-recaps-random-thoughts-october-12-18-a-fond-farewell-polls-and-polling-methods-odinga-video-fitzerald-clintons-rico-body-language-chicago-greens/

  20. Yes, indeed. We’re just “grieving.”

    I was recently told by a Democrat friend who supports Obama–though he says Obama is a “fraud”– that the only reason I am voting for McCain/Palin is because I am “wounded.”

    Same patronizing, belittling, dismissive attitude from another man who ignored the electoral fraud in the caucuses, didn’t see or feel the vile sexism directed at Clinton or now at Palin, and in fact contributes to the tone of the dialogue by repeating the argument that Palin is an inexperienced rube who doesn’t belong on the national political stage.

    It’s just because she’s a woman. I take it personally–you betcha I do–because b>it is personal.

    I responded to my friend that I’m not “wounded” in the least: I am FURIOUS. I am OUTRAGED. I am DISGUSTED.

    And, I don’t—nor have I ever, not for one second–felt fucking GUILTY about my RAGE. I cannot even comprehend falling into that emotional blackmail trap. Not from Davis, and certainly not from a male Obama supporter who wouldn’t have the first clue about what it all means, since it the sexism and misogyny I’ve witnessed in this election, only serves to bolster his own personal sense of “male privilege!”

    So, to any woman who falls into the emotional blackmail argument of “you’re just grieving,” I have to say:

    SNAP OUT OF IT.

    That’s the oldest tactic in the world.

  21. Interestingly, Zogby poll shoes Sen. Obama up by only 3 points.

  22. How fun my avatar has an uncanny look that says I want to punch some thing, how correct.

  23. Tell us WHY it had to be Obama and not Hillary. Come and tell us what the F%^& were you thinking??!

    ————————————————
    To me, it all seems to come down to BO’s ablility to raise obscene amounts of money, combined with the fact that noone can say a negative word about this guy without being labeled as a r@cist. Who was willing to stand up against that? Noone.

    I am sick and freaking tired of hearing WHY I feel the way I do from people whose opinions I used to care about. They have no clue.

    Thank you RD, for this one, it is righteous.

  24. So Colin Powell endorses Obama — so the eff what? What am I supposed to do? Forget the fact that Obama himself is unqualified for the office because the man who assured me that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s says he is qualified?

  25. Wondering what the reaction here to Powell’s endorsement of BO is. Understand this endorsement won’t swing anyone here (myself included), but I’m curious as to what effect Conflucians think it might have on the election.

  26. Yet another brilliant post, RD. They just keep getting better and better!

    Re: Powell Endorsement: Shouldn’t Obama reject and repudiate this endorsement? After all, Powell’s testimony is what got us into the “dumb war” to begin with.

  27. They’ve taken everything else away. Anger is all we have left. I’m nursing mine carefully.

    Great post, rd.

  28. Actually, on second thought, I take the Powell endorsement as good news — during the primaries BO brought out the “big endorsements” to change the story when he was down in the polls (Gore, Edwards) & those endorsements gave him exactly 0 help when it came to the actual voting. I’m going to assume the same thing is happening now & the Powell endorsement is a jinx for BO.

  29. Great post, rd.

    The tide is turning – it looks like Obama isn’t going to have an easy time on November 4th. He’s going to lose, in large part because of the way he treated women.

    Whatever happens on November 4th, our job is only starting. My ‘cool logic’ self says “make a list of the perps.” And then make sure this never happens again.

    Be of good heart.

  30. In his defense, Powell has said he was duped, and resigned in protest when the full details came out. A lot of people were duped about Iraq, including the majority of the US populous. Hate to be devil’s advocate, but I will defend Powell – as a voter who’s always been very centrist, I’ve watched him for a long time now, and have a great respect for the man. His endorsement doesn’t sway me, but I certainly won’t speak negatively of him.

  31. I didn’t even bat my eyelashes in high school, Lanny. Don’t patronize me.

    My choices are none of your business, and I owe you NOTHING.

    Donna Brazille told me to stay home. If that upsets you, take it up with the DNC.

    Otherwise, f* ck off. (Excuse me, fellow bitter knitters.) 🙂

  32. soupcity, on October 19th, 2008 at 9:59 am Said:
    Tell us WHY it had to be Obama and not Hillary. Come and tell us what the F%^& were you thinking??!

    ————————————————
    To me, it all seems to come down to BO’s ability to raise obscene amounts of money, combined with the fact that no one can say a negative word about this guy without being labeled as a r@cist. Who was willing to stand up against that? No one.

    I am sick and freaking tired of hearing WHY I feel the way I do from people whose opinions I used to care about. They have no clue.

    Thank you RD, for this one, it is righteous.
    _____________________________________

    They have come up with all sorts of bogus reasons to pick a clearly unqualified and unvetted candidate with questionable-at-best ties to all kinds of clowns, over Sen. Clinton but, to put it simply, the overarching reason is that obama has a penis.

  33. intelligentbydesign — well, Powell doesn’t learn from past mistakes, because he is being duped now.

  34. IBD – ZIp, I think. Some may dismiss Powell’s endorsement as a given because of r@ce. Others may say that it’s sour grapes after Bush turned him into a non-entity. Either way, I don’t think it w/be a deciding factor.
    But I think the divided govt/ one-party rule argument could be. I wish I could sway some minds myself but I’m getting mighty discouraged (see post above).

  35. intell: How is Powell’s being duped forgivable, while Hillary’s was not? (Particularly since a bunch of us on the left let down our anti-Bush cynical guard when Powell spoke.) Just sayin’

  36. People will see Powell endorsement as identify politics. I will not watch him on MtP because I do not care what Powell thinks, but you can bet then Power will mention Obama’s race as a positive factor in his becoming President.

  37. The way Bush has screwed up this country and Obama polls within or slightly above the margin of error?
    The Super Delegates were supposed to be a sort of safety valve for this. They were to sit back and look at which candidate had the best shot and vote accordingly.
    Looks like Dean, Pelosi, and Reid kacked up what was a flawed selection process to begin with. But then they wouldn’t be Democrats if they didn’t.

  38. Michelle ordered caviar. She didn’t order the traditional toast points. Why not? Because Obama is toast already.

    He will lose, and he will lose big.

    Keep fighting, and remember victory is in sight.

  39. Anger can be constructive. Anger gives energy for change. It will take a lot of energy to change the way our species has been doing business. It will take slightly less to challenge the strategy used to defeat democracy in this election.

    Thanks for another great read, RD.

  40. intelligentbydesign: His endorsement has no effect on me whatsoever. I don’t know who will be swayed by it. What will be amusing is watching the DailyKos, TPM and Atrios bunch twist themselves into knots to praise Powell now that he has endorsed Obama when they really can’t stand the guy for his speech at the UN. Powell was persona non grata to the Obots until 9:30am this morning.

  41. Colin Powell was not duped. Please, he knew exactly what was going on. He lied.
    John Kerry himself blamed Powells testimony and private calls with Powell as a big reason for his support of going to war. Edwards absolutely slobbered over Powell’s moving performance and many democrats, after listening to powell, claimed this was their defining moment.
    Powell knew what he was doing as did the rest of the bush administration did when they put him on for the dog and pony show that won the hearts and minds of americans and many of our allies to go to invade iraq!

  42. Riverdaughter, you have again captured our feelings in a great post.

    Yes there is great anger and frustration. Yet again, a woman has had to step aside from a legitimate win, for a man. We talk about becoming a post-racial society, what about becoming a post-gender society?

    We are legitimately angry at the means with which the DNC attained their end. Had they done so in a fair, honest, and legal fashion we would be the first to support that candidate.

    But, yet again, blatantly dishonest means were used to attain this end. These means are being glossed over, as in most other walks of life, because they were (and are) aimed against a woman. And this time it’s our own party, the party which promised us equality, support, and protection of our rights, perpetrating such a travesty.

    Thus along with the anger and frustration there is a deep sense of betrayal.

    And the betrayal continues.

    It’s as if the media, and the dem’s have blinders on and selectively ignore our voices. The more they “crap” on us they more they think we will take it. Why do they believe in that fallacy? It only exacerbates the divisiness that has been a characteristic of the Obama campaign. And it will destroy the ties that bind so effectively that there will be no repairing them.

  43. RD at 10:15: Exactly!!

  44. Exactly Sophie — the fact that Powell assured me that Iraq had WMD swayed me — I’m not embarrassed to admit it, like so many revisionist history “progressives” all of whom swear today that the were always against the war. Powell went a long way with me then and he f*cked me — I don’t care if he was duped, that just shows me he is easily duped. I’m not going to buy now some new justification for Powell. I’m going to stick with what has worked for me: Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.

  45. BTW- I cannot remember in which blog I read this but someone put forth the theory that a Powell endorsement meant a Bush endorsement of Obama.

  46. Sophie –

    I have never stated that Hillary’s was not! In fact, I specifically said many people were duped, including most of the American populous. If our congress people are supposed to represent us, than how could they possibly be held accountable for voting in line with an overwhelming majority of the country? Ridiculous argument, IMHO. However, my point is that my respect for Colin Powell is not reduced by his support for the war, especially since he renounced it later, and felt lied to enough to resign. As such, I will NOT attack Powell’s character, especially considering the rest of his record. As I said, his endorsement does not sway me. I doubt it will sway many voters. But I do believe he’s made his decision based on thoughtful, honest belief, and as such, will not attack Powell for it.

  47. “Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.”

    In 2000, Gen. Powell lauded Bushie’s “compassionate conservatism,” and called Dick Cheney, “one of America’s greatest public servants of our times.” His words.

    His endorsing of unsuited, lying, incompetent, r@ce baiting, power hungry, personally insecure and dangers to democracy is certainly consistent. Perhaps he should stick to something upon which he is unequaled — lying to the world’s community in order to start a war based on lies. He’s consistent there too.

  48. Colin Powell will recieve the Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame treatment, IN REVERSE, by all these “progressive” bloggers.

    They were patriots and heroes…. until they supported Hillary.

    Powell is a disgraced liar…..until he supports BO.

  49. Riverdaughter, thank you for this critically important post that expresses the deepest and most honest feelings that some of us have. I woke up angry this morning thinking about all of this. I suppose my subconscious during the night had been pondering the current state of despair and the continuing travesties. (That was before I saw the report of Obama’s September money. Something is really fishy about that. Who is really trying to buy the Presidency?)

    I am not a boomer but my experiences and views are the same (and more excruciating at times). If women boomers are considered a kind of bloc against Obama for all the reasons you so eloquently described (and not those expressed by the likes of Lanny Davis), I feel there are many others out here who may feel the same way. Subjugating women around the world has only wrought terrible consequences — not goodness — whether it’s done by a church or a government or anarchists or a single person or supported by other women.

    I remember a biblical study I took long ago on the evil that Joseph’s brothers perpetrated against him. The lesson to be learned was that “God can use evil for good.” Somehow I hope that we can overcome the evil done to women in particular, as well as to democracy, in this campaign season and use our anger as the engine to do good. We must fight back and overcome this current travesty of history. Still, It makes me so utterly sad that we have seen Obama, the media, and others use such horrible tactics and that we continue to be mocked and dismissed. Something definitely is fishy and it’s not in Denmark.

  50. Angie, Sophie, and RD –

    As much as I tend to agree, I can’t agree here. Colin Powell’s record shows him to be an independent thinker who has a respect for his country and the system put in place. Everything I’ve seen from this guy shows he is as ticked off about the partisan entry into the system as any of us. His resignation from the party, his decision not to run for POTUSA because he didn’t want to put his family through all of this, and his stance on the first gulf war all point to him being a reasoned, thoughtful individual. While I may not agree with his conclusions, I do not feel personally that Powell is worthy of any kind of attack beyond the end conclusions of candidate support.

  51. “There always was a danger that certain working-class/rural voters who strongly supported Mrs. Clinton in such state primaries as Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia would not easily transfer their support to Mr. Obama. The same worry was often repeated about Democratic women who were angry or simply grieving about Mrs. Clinton not being picked as the nominee.

    This little snippet is not only insulting to women, but also to men. It seems to me that the entire DNC strategy in this election has been incredibly insulting to all clear-thinking voters. What was the plan?
    Did they think they could cheat, inflate vote totals by caucus totals and fraudulant votes and that all of us good loyal Democrats would just go along? That every Clinton supporter was so dumb that we would all say, “Oh well, we tried, now let’s vote the party line…”?

    This condescending attitude by the young, kool, Obots is so fr!cking insulting that I am stunned that somebody in their midst didn’t see it for what it is and, at least try, to prevent it from happening.

  52. Prolix — thank god for you!
    what Proli said @ 10:19

  53. Correction: resignation from the party should read “resignation from the administration”. He has now broken with his party, but has not resigned.

  54. intelligentbydesign — I’m not trying to start a fight & much of what you say about Powell is true — I don’t hate the man & admit there is much to admire about him. However, when it come to endorsing candidates (Bush, Cheney & now BO) his record is pretty dismal to say the least. If he is so trustworthy, why is he endorsing BO now?

  55. Hi RD, I was just wondering if one could call Obama’s backers “middle aged ”. I just did a check on Wikipedia to see when the first ones which came into my mind were born.

    Apart from Axelrod (born 1955) and and Brazile 1959, all the others were born during the 1920s (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski 1928, Jimmy Carter 1924); 1930s (George Soros 1930,Ted Kennedy 1932, Harry Reid 1939); 1940s (NancyPelosi 1940, Richard M Daley 1942, Ayers1944, Dean 1948, Kerry 1943).

    Last but not least, there is Colin Powell born 1937.

    BTW loved the lighthouse video yesterday, and the picture today. (If you like food you should go to France!!!)

  56. soupcity: “Powell is a disgraced liar…..until he supports BO.”

    Hear hear! A Colin Powell endorsement is the best they can do? Colin Powell has zero sway among voters. How do the Obots wrap their head around this one? Colin Powell said himself, that he knew before he gave his speech to the UN pushing the war that the intel was suspect. His culpability is far more severe than Hillary’s. To all of the Obots who said they could never vote for Hillary because of the war vote and are now warmly embracing Joe Biden and Colin Powell, I say that the only motivation behind your support has to be sexism, pure and simple.

  57. Prolix, et al.

    A lot of people were duped in the past. The fact that Powell has broken from those ranks gives him at LEAST the same accountability as McCain, if not more so, since he broke from the ranks earlier, and is not running for President. My point is merely that, while Powell’s endorsement may run contrary to the inclinations of many of us, he has reached it on his own, based on thought, and that should be respectfully disagreed with based on Powell’s actions since he mistakenly supported the Bush administration. The guy has fully admitted he was duped, as most of us were…don’t attack him on it now. Disagree with his conclusion, but don’t attack the guy for his previous mistakes when he himself regrets them.

  58. Intelligentbydesign:
    1.) Jesus himself could endorse Obama and I wouldn’t vote for him.
    2.) I was one of those annoying people who never bought into the lies about WMD. I figure that if I, a nobody in east bumfuck jahonga could figure out that the 45 minute missile launch from Iraq to the US was a fantasy dreamed up to scare a post 9-11 traumatized country, then Colin Powell could see it too.
    3.) He may have been against the war and every other foreign policy initiative of the Bushies but the time to resign was BEFORE the war, when his protest would have been most effective. For all I know, he gave the Bushies enough trouble that his political career is finished and now he wants to advise the other side.

    I’m not interested in Colin Powell’s endorsement. I don’t care what his motives are. It doesn’t right a wrong.

  59. I thought that Powell endorsed Obama back during the primaries…maybe it was just not as publicized. Look 97.9 % of blacks are for Obama. Does Jesse Jackson look or sound like a friend to Obama? If I were the republicans I would spin this as race loyalty and that Powell had some issues with the RNC before Obama was running. It certainly won’t make anyone who was voting for McCain not do it now.

    With Obama running the AA Coalition of the RNC has been having some problems. You know our friend Roland Martin at CNN was a so called Black Republican. One night on his show, he admitted that he voted for Reagan, and Bush #1 but omitted saying who he voted for in the subsequent elections because he did not want to admit that he voted for BUSH #2.

    What is sad about all of this is that Blacks have shown that they will put race before principles. I was always a democrat and sure I am voting for McCain but I think you can look at this a bit differently from the standpoint of these so called AA Republicans switching to Obama. They did this before Sarah Palin was on the scene.

  60. Just to make it clear – I’m not embracing Obama in the least. But, Colin Powell is someone who I have grown up watching in politics, and have developed a great respect for. I consider him to be more of a maverick than McCain could ever be. As such, while I may disagree with him, I still respect him.

  61. Know what, guys? Talking about Powell’s endorsement only perpetuates its impact in the media.
    Let’s not talk about it anymore. Take the hint, IBD, and drop it.

  62. janicen, on October 19th, 2008 at 10:32 am Said:

    ——
    Boggles the mind, janicen.

  63. Re the Powell endorsement, I’ll tell you what won’t happen. The RNC won’t set out to destroy this man like the DNC has done to anyone who dares speak out against “The One”.

  64. Delurking to comment.

    Sorry, but if Colin Powell had any integrity he would have resigned from the Bush Administration rather than go before the world and sell their lies about Iraq. He is every bit as responsible for the war as Bush/Cheney. He was the Secretary of State at the time. Are you suggesting that he “was out of the loop”? Of course, supporting the war is only a bad thing if your name is Hillary Clinton.

    Riverdaughter, thank you for another eloquent and forceful essay.

  65. I do believe Powell, being the the “good soldier” that he is, is signaling that Bush et al. are with Obama. That should send everyone to McCain.

    And yes, I am angry. Watching how Clinton, Palin and even Joe the plumber have been treated has me so angry. Everything said about the arrogance and elitist attitudes of the left have been on steroids this year. My eyes have never been so open. I see how women are devalued everywhere now. I think I just used to ignore it or deny it.

    This is all about marketing. The DNC and its product are positioned to those of “value”, Those with the money. That is what is driving this.

  66. Inconsistency as well , is interesting in this campaign …
    bo, up to this point , has taken in almost a billion dollars in campaign funding but when asked to account for it, we are told that would be a logistical nightmare for the campaign , and the media says nothing as usual, but Joe the Plumber owes a paltry $1200 in back taxes , and they are all over it like maggots on a carcass . The carcass, I am afraid my friends… is democracy .. we know who the maggots are.
    Let me continue.. because we have been told time and again that campaigning has stood in for experience for bo
    and indeed Colon Powell has given as one of his reasons for his endorsement that bo has learned in his campaign . SO… if he has not learned and cannot manage his own paltry almost billion in campaign funds; and it would be a logistical nightmare to account for it ….
    how can he possibly be expected to manage the failing economy, and the trillions for which he would be accountable?
    Would someone alert the “ahem” media to this glaring inconsistncy ??

    .

  67. Oh God, puke alert Donna Brazille on ABC news next to Newt Gingrich.

  68. From this point forward, I am deleting any more comments on the Powell endorsement. If you want to discuss that issue, go find another blog thread.

  69. Swan — everything you say is true, logical & just. However our media has showed us this year that it has nothing to do with truth, logic or justice.

  70. Good morning Angienc (sigh)

  71. Well, if campaigning substitutes for actual experience, then I guess Pat Paulson would have made a great president!

  72. From what I read Powell endorsed Obie based upon his economic policies ! Excuse me??? When was Powell an economist?

    My late father said even over in Viet Nam during the war he was the butt-kisser on Westmoreland’s staff and that’s how he rose thru the Officer Corps; he was a political animal. And it’s not that Dad disagreed with his strategy in Gulf War I; he did and that strategy did work.

  73. RD,

    saw your above post after posting my last one. Hint taken. 🙂

  74. Angienc, absolutely .. and i was being sarcastic about the media being alerted .. they are not interested in being alerted to any inconsistency , and even if they were, or someonwe were to have a thought that was not in favor of bo I am sure someone with a blender would run up ; pop it in , and soon it would be very different .. a kool aid and ice cream smoothie 🙂

  75. RD said: 2.) I was one of those annoying people who never bought into the lies about WMD. I figure that if I, a nobody in east bumfuck jahonga could figure out that the 45 minute missile launch from Iraq to the US was a fantasy dreamed up to scare a post 9-11 traumatized country, then Colin Powell could see it too.
    ____________________________________________

    I had so many heated discussions with repugs at the time, many of whom were not convinced about the war and the WMD’s. The media was not believable, and I spent a lot of time at antiwar.com because they collected articles from all over, and looking at the foreign media. Most european media outlets did great and logical analysis and investigative reporting regarding the WMD’s (except the UK) and because these countries were so divided about t the coalition was pitiful at best.

    The repercussion of Bush’s heavy-handed entrance into the war and pressure on allies to take part in a coalition has resulted in the very pro-Obama media overseas.

    Could it be that they are less pro-Obama than anti-Bush?

  76. have anyone else seen this site http://tinyurl.com/6x8vnh

  77. Oops! I got here late or RD’s comment about deleting was before my comment posted. We had been fairly loose about off-topic comments but guess that’s changing. Okie-dokie.

  78. IBD, why do you support obama on your blog, and then claim to not support him here? that’s confusing.

  79. Gary – where have I supported Obama on my blog? If there is a post you feel is pro-Obama, please let me know and tell me why. That is not my intent, and if there is an easily mistaken position, I’d like to know what it is.

  80. riverdaughter, on October 19th, 2008 at 10:42 am Said:

    From this point forward, I am deleting any more comments on the Powell endorsement. If you want to discuss that issue, go find another blog thread

    There’s an open thread at NQ on the forbidden P. endorsement.

  81. Great post, Riverdaughter – you’re right. We don’t need no stinkin’ permission to be angry.

    I’m resolute in not voting for Obama irrespective of the teeth gnashing, the wailing, the pearl clutching, the fainting couch swoons of friends and family and others who just can’t or won’t understand that, under no circumstance, will I give support to a bunch of thieves who paid no attention to my vote in the primaries. They didn’t care about it then and cannot have it now.

  82. well perhaps not support, but you say that who you support will remain “unknown”, but your defense of William F. Buckley Jr, which is similar to your defense of powell now, would tend to make one think you are an obama suporter, yet here you say you’re “not embracing obama in the least”. not to mention your latest defense of obama re: michelle bachman.

  83. Sorry looking for integrity , it was IBD 10.19

  84. LANNY DAVIS IS A CLOWN!!!!!!!

    He’s a scavenger opportunist (aka HYENA) “best friend” down the toilet because she is a WOMAN.

    He has ZERO credibility in eyes. He’s a pandering sexist fraud who is given WAY too much credit.

    I can’t stand him and you betcha I’m pissed and I’m going to stay pissed until Obama goes back to the senate with his tail between his legs.

    Thanks RD for the post.

  85. oops, sorry about that post RD

  86. sm — RD doesn’t want any discussion of the endorsement (but you are right). 🙂

  87. RD, please delete any of my comments regarding the CP endorsement. I didn’t see your note before I posted it.

  88. Very nice post, RD. I can honestly say I have never felt guilty for my anger concerning this situation. I’m sorry for anybody who has…..and a bit perplexed that they would.

    Mountain Sage

  89. I saw the McCain interview on FOX — he did very well & the panel discussed Joe the Plumber.

  90. Back to the topic – sort of…

    There are two women from both parties running for the same spot in my town. It is refreshing to hear two women debate simple, direct neutral questions in a business like fashion. The moderator was circumspect about watching the time, and the questions were posed in a neutral fashion. I did not read any negative, tabloid type stories about either. They did not attack each other during the debate, nor via surrogates.

    It was refreshing.

  91. morning all,obamas mantra that words matter might now have really bitten him in the behind.three days ago i took a zogby on line poll which i have taken many times this year and in the last 2months probably 3or 4 times.this time they asked 3 questions that had not been asked all year,they were weather or not illegals should have drivers licenses,social security and gov heath care.at the time i wondered who was paying for those questions and how they would be used.now we know,according to fox the rnc is running ads in ohio about barkys support of drivers licenses which if you all remember he came out and supported during the california debate with hillary in his attempt to win over hispanics.well barky words matter and now the rnc is going to use your own words against you to hopefully stick the knife in and twist it.this could be the thing that really sticks as most americans do not support licenses for illegals.

  92. In respect for RD, I’m gonna not reply to more of the Powell posts. But as to Gary…

    My support for Christopher Buckley (which you refer to in your William Buckley comment) comes from the same place my statements against Michelle Bachmann came from – I cannot stand ANY kind of censorship that defeats intellectual thought, which is why I found Bachmann’s questioning of college professors in general, and calling for investigations of Congress as a whole so disturbing. It has nothing to do with an endorsement of a candidate, but has everything to do with the destruction of reasoned viewpoints.

  93. I’m thinking there should be a lot of anger going around besides just women. Look at the attack on Joe the plumber. It’s like any one that doesn’t fit the Obama profile is dirt beneath he’s heels and he’s now got the money to carry out the agenda to destroy them.

    I just read in the NYT that Sarah Pallin’s biggest supporters are actually the so-called Joe Six packs.
    When did the democractic party STOP being the party of the little guy? When it starts getting this ugly based on class and sex wars, angry is the energy behind seeking justice.

  94. LFI — that is because when 2 women are debating they aren’t trying to prove who has the bigger d!ck.

  95. GrapeApe, it didn’t pull me in and I am an AA

    Guys it is going to get bumpy these next weeks.Obama just announced that he took in $150million in September. My voter registration card has been “lost” by Cook County and the attacks against me have been stepped up. The Obots in my life have been calling me off the hook but I won’t return their messages. The messages have been getting increasingly angry cloaked in “concern” for me.

    We must be strong.

  96. RD: Sorry – I didn’t read you warning about mentioning a certain endorsement.

  97. dakinikat — on the Fox panel this a.m. Bill Kristol said that Joe the Plumber’s “postives” were -20 with the over $100k crowd and +20 with the under the $100k crowd. So, contrary to the pundits screaming that Joe should be voting for Obama, it seems like those dumb old middle class voters can tell when they are being spoken down to by BO.

  98. If anyone told me I was voting for McCain because I am “wounded” (by Hillary’s loss) I would have a hard time keeping my temper in check. How condescending can a person get?

    But my answer would me “Wound me once, you won’t wound me again.” Do these people expect us to crawl under a rock like a bleeding animal? Maybe they would like it if we retreated and nursed our pain in private. Cool logic prevails. I got my leg out of the trap of group-think.

    I will never forget how Obama and his minions treated women. The worst betrayal (for me) was when the left-wing blogosphere made it acceptable, if not laudable, to use misogyny.

    It will take a long time to remedy this situation. But I stand ready to work for justice.

  99. Afrocity: If O-bots were so certain that Obambi was going to win, as they normally prance HAKA-ing everyone with, why the harassment???

  100. Help – I am in moderation. Please review.

  101. Afrocity-please be careful…

  102. What are you ladies bellyaching about?

    The thugs around Obama say Hillary would be good at HHS, and with all her experience, she’ll be able to put his watered down version of UHC on paper and to take a beating for it in the Senate.

    Are you ladies never happy with what “we” give you?

    Sheesh!!!

  103. IBD said :

    I cannot stand ANY kind of censorship that defeats intellectual thought,

    so why no criticism of examples of Obama supporters doing this? What about the never ending attempt to censor all criticism by pre-emptively labling such criticism as racist? that seems much more egregious than a lame statement by some wingnut congresswoman.

    I’m sorry, but your bias is showing.

  104. Did anyone catch the Fox news reporter saying that the Obama campaign feels that McCain is getting more coverage than Obama and that that isn’t fair?

  105. To clarify further (and since my above comment is still awaiting moderation) – I have never said, and do not believe, that McCain is against intellectualism. Nor do I think that Obama is some kind of great purveyor of it. However, I am dismayed that such a thing as an “intellectual elite” has become a statement that contains a negative connotation. Intellectualism defines humanity, and it creates places such as this for people to discuss their ideas. Without it, humanity would have no definition. Christopher Buckley’s censoring and Michelle Bachmann’s charges destroy any respect for thought. That greatly dismays me in a level that is beyond any partisan argument, which is why I have posted on them on my blog, which I attempt to keep non-partisan and based on reasoned thought.

  106. I love this discussion on ABC. Lets suppose that THE ONE wins, he has a huge weight on his shoulders. Newt just said that the Republicans will take back over in 2010. Notice how Donna Brazille keeps bringing up BOTtalking points “everyone is suffering”. It is evident that the man child Obama has honed speeches but no idea what to do once in office.

  107. SM: Here’s the thing, the Obots would LOVE it if we talked about it all fricking day long. They want us to talk about virtually nothing else and they would be *particularly* thrilled if the PUMA blogs discussed it because it means that a couple of trolls in the threads, who are pretending to be wishy washy, will be able to sneak in little comments that boost his credibility. That might be enough for some unsteady PUMAs to say, “Well, gee, Powell’s an OK guy. He got a bad rap. Maybe I’m being too hard on Obama.”
    See how pernicious and sneaky this shit is?

  108. I’m glad I’m a 56 year old white woman. The Obots ignore me.

    Obama needs to be 15 to 20 points ahead right now and he is not. The race is almost within margin of error. I expect HAKA the likes of which we’ve never seen in the next couple of weeks.

    He is going to lose.

  109. In the unlikely event that anyone here has suppressed/repressed their anger and cannot conjure it back up on their own:
    A Reminder

  110. I actually believe, in the bottom of my heart, that a McCain win will set a lot of things right. Maybe I’m being naive but I think it will show the msm that what they did was wrong & unethical in this election, it will shake up the power structure in the DNC, it will show those misogynist frat boys at kos et al that their tactics are unacceptable & it will make the Dems in Congress start acting like Dems (I’m looking at you John “UHC is a non-starter in the Senate” Kerry). That is the goal of my vote for McCain. It is anger, sure, but it is a cool calculated anger designed to set the travesty of this election right.

  111. Does anyone other than me find it incredibly ironic that women were treated like dirt during the primary and that they are now the ones who are enabling Obama’s win? White men are going for McCain, white women are going for Obama.

    It is disillusioning that women won’t fight back against what happened, but will capitulate to it instead. I guess sexism will never end.

  112. Did you notice-the article said that one in six voters in 2004 were babyboomer women. Of those 44% are undecided, which means 7.33% of the electorate-that’s a fair number!!!

  113. angienc, on October 19th, 2008 at 11:04 am Said:

    LFI — that is because when 2 women are debating they aren’t trying to prove who has the bigger d!ck.

    Hahaha!

  114. afrocity: I can’t even go to my neighborhood bar any more, they shriek at me continually. When I try to have a discussion with other hillary supporters and mostly those who are reluctantly supporting Obama, they scream so loud so I can’t be heard by anyone. I’m actually afraid to say anything positive about mccain and say I’m supporting Cynthia McKinney because it takes the wind out of their sails on the r@cism charges at the very least.

  115. Hi Dee,

    Riverdaughter asked that we not discuss the endorsement. That’s why I can’t release your comment.

  116. Gary –

    see the above post in regards to this. The Bachmann post is specifically designed towards the charges she levied against intellectual freedoms. If there is ever a suggestion that Congress persons should be investigated and college professors are suspect for their anti-American sentiments from someone other than Bachmann, I will gladly call them out on it in exactly the same way.

  117. sm77, because it’s a form of “peer pressure”.

    I just read an article about it somewhere…it claims people are more likely to vote if they have friends who are pushing them to..

    Another psychological twist obama seems to get along with his “community organizing aka hoodwinking” skillz.

    Ugh

  118. molly: the dems have turned us into brainless vaginas … they just have to say Roe V. Wade with out doing a damn thing to protect it and many of us just fall in line

  119. opps. RD I just hit another moderation word …

  120. opps. RD I just hit another moderation word …

  121. I am a gentle soul. I love cats, trees and harmony. Unfortunately our culture of misogyny cannot be wished away. I am a witness to the gender stereotypes, the double standards and the pornographic insults. My resulting anger is not optional; it is essential. The New Agenda is necessary.

  122. IBD, you didn’t answer the core of my question though. why not righteous indignation about Obama censoring intellectual debate by declaring all criticism racist?

    I’m not buying what your selling.

  123. Donna Brazille has been silent for 10 minutes now. Why is that Donna? Because you know nothing about foreign poolicy and neither does Obama. Nor do you care. She is visibly nervous because they are actually beginning to talk about what the “would be King” would do once in the Oval Office. She evokes Warren Buffet and Obama will have experts…Sounds like on the job training to me.

  124. I’m pissed off, but I ain’t no lady

  125. destardi: And it’s not as if we haven’t known about this psychology for some time.
    http://www.slate.com/id/2095993/

    How many times are people going to fall for the same trick?

  126. afrocity said:
    She evokes Warren Buffet and Obama will have experts…Sounds like on the job training to me.
    Sounds like George W’s plan all over again!

  127. katieb – thanks for the explanation. It just needed to be said but I realize now I should have gotten up earlier.

  128. afrocity:

    Notice how Donna Brazille keeps bringing up BOTtalking points “everyone is suffering”.

    Donna Brazille (who has never run a winning election campaign) makes me laugh. I’m gonna have a party the day she gets fired. I look forward to the day they try to pry her fingers off her DNC-owned Blackberry.

    “Come on, Donna. You already gave us the keys to the office, your parking pass and the laptop. This isn’t your Blackberry – it belongs to the DNC.”

    Donna won’t be unemployed for long. Bet she gets a book contract and a job as a commentator. More than any of us are ever going to get.

    Not bad for a resume that says “Ran three losing presidential campaigns.”

  129. I can’t seem to get folks to realize that what did it for me was the RBC meeting and watching them make a complete mockery of one man, one vote WHICH is the very basis of democracy.

    Of course I didn’t mean one cartoon character ONE vote, ONE dead person, ONE vote, or ONE man, MULTIPLE votes and know I can see that’s the real agenda here …

    that was one of the crying calls of the old democratic party, it harkens back to the days when women couldn’t vote and AA’s were supressed. Now there as bad as the Republicans, whatever it takes to win …

    My american values stem from the constitution and I want a party that stands by it

  130. You should hear the messages I get:

    “atrocity, it has been awhile and I was just wondering if you saw the debate and changed your position.You could at least send me an email you know.”

  131. I’m not even caffeinated yet

  132. Gary –

    because the goal of my personal blog is to avoid issues that are hotly debated, and come from a non-emotional perspective. If you read my statements, the blog was started as a source of information on the financial crisis from a perspective that did not place blame on any one party, bill, or person, but rather said “how the hell did we end up here?” The same creed applies to all current posts. The reason I posted on Bachmann is I found her statements to be in direct conflict with the idea of intellectual freedom. It has nothing to do with presidential politics. If there is someone from the other party who espouses such views, I will show righteous indignation. However, charges of racism/sexism are beyond the scope of the blog I founded – they are emotional issues. The statements of Bachmann directly attack intellectual freedom – that is an issue that is not emotional, and does not relate to racism or sexism. As such, they are posted.

  133. One of the republican congressman running for re-election is using the Jeremiah Wright sermons in his tv ads … is any one else seeing that or is just down here in Lousyana?

  134. afrocity – Ha ah!

    She is visibly nervous because they are actually beginning to talk about what the “would be King” would do once in the Oval Office.

    Donna is silent because she’s never run a winning campaign!

  135. Women in this country have been getting the shaft (pun intended) since the sexual revolution. I don’t know how many married w/ kids women I know who work full time and still do all the work around the house, raise the kids, do the grocery shopping. One friend was so grateful to her husband because he did the laundry. Her teacher co-workers wondered how she got him to do it. Oh sure, men might change the cars’ oil and take out the garbage… but you know when the kids are old enough they’ll be takin’ out the trash. Women have been socialized to take this crap. That’s the perspective from this middle-age white, never been married but was in a male-dominated (auto) field for too long. Why is it necessary to have two full time incomes to have a decent nukular family life?

  136. Riverdaughter: I am so thankful that I found your blog a few months ago. You are able to state so well what I have been feeling for years about women (and not just because of the election).

  137. I have a challenge for all women, and it’s something that really bugs me. The next time you’re angry about something and you’re getting ready to write about it or verbalize it, please don’t preface it with “I’m sorry, but…” I mean, when’s the last time you heard a man apologize for being angry?

    Like RD says, it’s goddamn ok to be angry and you have NOTHING for which to be sorry. Just let it rip, without the girly apologies. Maybe they’ll finally start listening to us then.

  138. Great post, RD. Our anger is more than justified by all we have witnessed and been subjected to over these many months.

    and

    ditto what Alwaysthinking said so well @10:24.

  139. afrocity: you can tell that it gives them cognitive dissonance because they think you’re bright and respect you, and if you won’t turn to their POV there must be something questionable about what they are doing … drives folks nuts. I see it down here, they think wow, Kat won’t vote for him? I’ve known her for ever, she votes straight democrat, she teaches economics and that’s what I care about … i think that’s why the die hard Obats shriek over my arguments to the reluctant … there’s still this seed of doubt in folks about Obama … and when women and men of good conscious that are not the stereotypical folks they’ve been led to believe don’t support Obama, they just blow a gasket

  140. Going out for a walk. See you later!

  141. I am convinced that BO is going to cheat hard, that’s what is different this election-it will be MASSIVE and abetted by modern technology.

    Someone mentioned a few posts ago,(was it Janicen?) that at her Caucus there were a lot of DfA types, as opposed to Acorn. They were there- young and fresh and busy typing out text messages.

    It made me think about all the false and overseas registrations. All these kids have to do is keep in touch with a computer database thru their cell phones, once they vote in one name, then they can get another name to vote under, in States with Dem Governors/AGs which do not require id (such as Ohio). A few thousand college kids (or even a few hundred) over a stretched out early voting period, can make an enormous difference.

    That’s why I feel BO has never really been interested in our votes. It’s also called exploiting the structural faults in our voting system.

  142. afrocity, on October 19th, 2008 at 11:04 am Said:
    GrapeApe, it didn’t pull me in and I am an AA

    Guys it is going to get bumpy these next weeks.Obama just announced that he took in $150million in September. My voter registration card has been “lost” by Cook County and the attacks against me have been stepped up. The Obots in my life have been calling me off the hook but I won’t return their messages. The messages have been getting increasingly angry cloaked in “concern” for me.

    We must be strong.

    ________________

    You’re absolutely correct. If we thought it was rough before we haven’t seen anything yet.

  143. from the world of bitter laughter… my impossibly old uncle infected his own computer with computer freezing spyware by attempting to download Palin p0rn….

    sometimes karma is just hilarious!

  144. lisadawn82@ 11:31 – “…cloaked in “concern” for me.”

    Oy, that sounds like the language of religious cults. You know, “concerned for your soul” and all that jibber.

  145. I don’t believe what the Dems and media have shown us is misogny. It is gynophobia.

    Intellectually they don’t hate us – that is why they can’t recognize the problem and self-correct. Instead, they fear us. Fear can not easily be addressed or removed from these men or the women who want to be loved by them.

    Both result in seixst behavior.

  146. Dee @ 11:33a
    Yep, it’s a clear case of vagina dentata. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata

  147. gynophobia?

    Fear of vajayjays?

  148. OldCoastie, 🙂

  149. afrocity

    And how much of that $$ is money he’ll have to return to due fraudulent charges on credit cards or fraudulent donors?

  150. vajayjays? are those like Vjs? ’cause I have a definite fear of downtown julie brown. 😉

  151. here’s the deal IBD. The obmabots would love nothing more t han stupid things like what Bachman said front and center because they distract from the very real issue of why obama was hanging around with people like ayers, rezko, or wright. you can take the bachman approach and claim that he is some kind of marxist terrorist, which probably the nutty 30%ers of the GOP believe, which I don’t think would be reading y our blog anyway. Or you can say that it really brings into question Obama’s judgement, and his ability to read people’s intentions, which is a very important trait in a president. OR you have to beilieve (as I do) that Obama is simply an opportunist who will use anyone he can find to further his own ambitions.

    The first reason may be lame, but it doesn’t excuse the fact that Obama has a LOT of dubious past relationship. And the fact that you focus on the one that is most inflammatory and offensive to liberals (like the ones you might want to be trying to convince) makes me believe that you are trying to make people feel sympathy towards Obama.

    I see no need to discuss this further. I think you see yourself as some kind of missionary trying to pick up converts here. I don’t like it, and I call it out when I see it.

  152. dakinkat,its pretty lame that your friends call you a racist if you say your voting for mccain.is this a mixed group or a preponderance of one or the other.as i said earliier the rnc starting to use the illegal drivers license might along with joe the plumber be a game changer.

  153. Yet with the kerbillions of $$$ that Sen. Obama has raied, my mailbox is filled with requests for $5.00 “before it is too late” or (my personal favorite) $10.00 for a “limited edition” car magnet.

  154. OK, I have just shut off my TV (it helps having it on while I’m working on my marketing campaign -don’t ask me why) because I am so tired of the Obama ads every commercial break on every channel, including fox. And why here?

    We live in Illinois for pete’s sake, the Obama bastion, does he need to preach to his choir? Maybe they are trying to win the last straggling hold outs, but all they are winning is my desire to turn him off.

  155. I watched some of the fifth season of Northern Exposure yesterday (from more than a decade ago), and I had a bitter laugh: at Shelly’s baby shower, Chris said he was trying to find his inner femaleness and Eve said he should try cutting his salary in half.

  156. Dee, on October 19th, 2008 at 11:33 am ,

    You know, that makes a whole lot of sense when I put it into the context of the men I know who are supporting “The One”. That explains their viscious verbal assaults and violent reactions. It’s fear. Good point!

  157. “Obama is simply an opportunist who will use anyone he can find to further his own ambitions.”

    Amen to that gary!

  158. Amen gary.

  159. However, charges of racism/sexism are beyond the scope of the blog I founded – they are emotional issues. The statements of Bachmann directly attack intellectual freedom – that is an issue that is not emotional, and does not relate to racism or sexism. As such, they are posted.

    I’m sorry, that’s a load of horseshit.

  160. But she could not survive the backstabbing manipulations and betrayal of her own party in the service of a man who wasn’t even qualified to serve as her apprentice.

    Damn right I’m angry, and I make no apologies. There is a place for righteous anger in the face of injustice. Lanny Davis is a wimp, and his hypocrisy in shifting gears, along with many other HRC advocates, reveals his self-interest over principle. Spineless.

    Re: the superdelegate’s response: it reminds me of the story I heard from one of them, a woman, talking about the most “excruciating” moment for her. Chelsea called her up, and asked her why she was switching her support. According to the SD, Chelsea just kept saying, “But WHY?” The woman, I can’t remember who it was, didn’t give an answer. I was also asking: Yea, WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? There was not justifiable reason. Go along to get along. Weakness. Money and bullying. It will come out eventually, and it certainly won’t be because of some lofty intention.

  161. Dakinkat,

    You are so right. I should record the messages and make a song, like the end of Young Lust by Pink Floyd has that telephone call where “Pink” calls back to his home in London and a man answers. Obviously his wife is having an affair and the operator, who has no clue she’s being recorded, keeps recalling and the guy keeps hanging up.

    “afrocity I was calling to see if you switched your allegiance from Hillary to Obama. I am now working for the Obama campaign and wanted to know if you would donate”

    “afrocity calling to see what’s up. Did you see Palin on the Katie Couric show? Just wondered what you thought. Lets have a drink soon, I miss you”

    The obots that I know, at least the ones who supported Hillary always start crumbling in front of me and saying that Obama is full of it and they don’t trust him, But they say “I can’t support a Republican ticket over a Democrat”

    My point is that Obama is not a democrat.

  162. Ok gang — I’m out for a while. Be good!

  163. janicen – thanks. I think that hate vs. fear is a very important difference to help understand the behavior of the men that are supposedly Dems and/or on the left.

  164. because I am so tired of the Obama ads every commercial break on every channel, including fox. And why here?

    This morning on FOX, Chris Wallace cited the money being spent by the BO campaign and the number of field offices they have set up, and asked if the are “trying to buy this election.” McCain said, “You could certainly make that case.” It’s bizarre–he’s pounding away on the airwaves. Is that effective psychologically? Is it a proven form of programming? Personally, it really turns me off–I just tune them out, but I don’t know what the studies show.

  165. Of course this means that women in our age group (b 1965 – ) will be blamed if Obama loses. We’ll be tossed together with all the “racists” who didn’t vote for Obama, creating one big hate fest for the mainstream media to gorge themselves on.

    Obama’s tactics have been more divisive than any other candidate I’ve witnessed, including Reagan and Bush Sr, and I don’t think the streets will be nicer if he wins the White House. If I did I would vote for him.

  166. Woh, Gary, I take offense here! I do not see how Obama and Bachmann are mutually exclusive. You suggest that, because I call Bachmann out for her McCarthyist methods, I give support to Obama. That, to me, is the same McCarthyist method! Bachmann was wrong in the statements she made – she deserves to be censured. The ways in which she was wrong have nothing to do with Obama and Ayers/Wright/Rezko, but have everything to do with intellectual freedoms and her calling into suspect unnamed college professors and calling for media investigations into the anti-Americanism of elected officials. What she did is disgusting, and wrong, and I stand by that point. Obama being an opportunist or having connections that make him unsuitable to be president has nothing to do with Biden, Pelosi, Reid, or unspecified college professors. My charge is that Bachmann has taken it too far, and deserves to be reprimanded, not that Barack’s connection to Ayers and Wright has no meaning.

  167. Me too or I’ll never complete this project.

  168. So Obama raises 150 million in September. How much of that came from illegal foriegn donors or fake names exceeding limits?

    McCain also cited on FOX the $200 million of unaccounted for contributions to Obama’s campaign. Who is supposed to be overseeing this kind of thing, the FEC? And again, it’s “no big deal.” McCain stressed that it is setting a very bad precedent for future elections as well, and will inevitably lead to corruption/scandal. They are constantly begging, that’s how they get so much money. I have been sending back requests with various PUMA insults for months, and they still haven’t taken me off their list. Everything about him and his tactics disgusts me at this point.

  169. riverdaughter, on October 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am Said:
    SM: Here’s the thing, the Obots would LOVE it if we talked about it all fricking day long. They want us to talk about virtually nothing else and they would be *particularly* thrilled if the PUMA blogs discussed it because it means that a couple of trolls in the threads, who are pretending to be wishy washy, will be able to sneak in little comments that boost his credibility. That might be enough for some unsteady PUMAs to say, “Well, gee, Powell’s an OK guy. He got a bad rap. Maybe I’m being too hard on Obama.”
    See how pernicious and sneaky this shit is?

    You are correct once again! The issue is a moot point. I don’t think that the endorsement will sway Hillary voters at all. We’re too determined at this point to let a guy who lied about WMD’s to convince us.

    I think it’s Powell’s way of reintroducing himself to the national mediasphere – a bit of media-wh*ring of sorts to become relevant again and stick it to Dubya and Cheney.

  170. A quick note: Comments mentioning a certain name are going straight into the filter.

  171. Personally, considering the coming BZero onslaught, I’m looking forward to “girding my loins,” I hear it has a slimming effect.

  172. uh oh…”simply grieving”? oh Lanny. I think I’m going to have to call someone to get my shoe back, because I think it’s going to be very far up your arse.

    But, I guess he’ll understand that I’m simply grieving…

  173. Can we add “Bachmann” to that list?

  174. village of the damned on TCM now

  175. oh, RD… that’s a nice picture. Any chance of changing the finger that the mystical lady is holding up?

  176. MyIQ — What is “Bachmann”?

  177. fif: by the time the FEC chases it all down, and they’re already looking at illegal foreign contributions, it will be two years from now

  178. I was going to leave to get to work but I had to suggest reading Heidi Li’s post on her blog regarding Obama and hubris…

    tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/

  179. also, diane keation on lifetime as a crystal meth dealer…wtf??

  180. Nevermind – MyIQ, I give the floor to you. 🙂 Gary – debate me on my blog if you want. I feel Bachmann is a relevant issue that goes beyond BO, you don’t – here is not the forum.

  181. angelasmith: I want to do a new one on the old feminist fist inside the women’s symbol with the third finger raised … women Power and women Anger at this point …

  182. thanks for telling me what this forum is for IBD, but I won’t be visiting your blog. propaganda makes me break out….and I guess its best if we just don’t discuss anything here anymore.

  183. Wow 150 million dollars raised by Obama. That would feed a lot of hungry kids. I wonder if Michelle thought that when she was drinking champagne and eating caviar at the Waldorf last week.

  184. I can’t seem to get folks to realize that what did it for me was the RBC meeting and watching them make a complete mockery of one man, one vote WHICH is the very basis of democracy.

    Now there as bad as the Republicans, whatever it takes to win …

    My american values stem from the constitution and I want a party that stands by it.

    Ditto, ditto, ditto. Those are exactly my bottom lines. That’s why it’s non-negotiable. He used fraud to win the nomination–what else is there to discuss after that? You cannot violate the most basic principles of our democracy and then claim to be worthy of holding the highest position in that democracy, to affect transformation and equality for all. Bullsh*t. I don’t think enough people know about the caucus fraud, FL & MI,and the RBC decision. If he wasn’t being sold by the press as some kind of a New Age God, people would be appalled by his unethical tactics.

  185. by the time the FEC chases it all down, and they’re already looking at illegal foreign contributions, it will be two years from now

    Do you think they’ll even bother?

  186. I’m with Egallantry. Anger is a mandatory response to injustice. I’ve witnessed Obama and his minions in the media-ministry-of-hate confine both Clinton and Palin to a political burka, woven by lies and contempt. The audacity of hypocrisy candidate and his regime are a plague on national psyche comparable to the Civil War or Vietnam.

    Anger is what led to the development of PUMA and to sites like The Confluence and right now, I don’t feel a shred of guilt about my anger. The guilt rests entirely on those who engineered the Obama robotic, an entirely inhumane political machine.

  187. Sarah was GREAT on SNL!!
    Even my Obama voting husband thought so.
    I met a very intelligent former Hillary supporter today that is “leaning” towards Obama. She is one of those woman that were “insulted” by the choice of Sarah Palin. Also was,
    OUT-Raged by the Couric interview. 1st the “reading material” question & 2nd the “Supreme Court Ruling” one. I tried to say that they were “cut” to make her look bad; but it wasn’t working.
    If anyone could direct me to the “proof” articles, through here;
    that would be helpful.
    She also said Florida Jewish people are voting for Obama, even seniors…………..UGH!!!!!!!!!
    But her mother-in-law, isn’t… she fears it’s because of his color…I told her NOT TO GO THERE!!! *AND*
    My response was “after all they did to that state, “HOW COULD THEY”!
    Her response was more like, “why couldn’t they have the delegates count for Hillary”?
    I told her releasing them just before the convention was “ALWAYS THE PLAN”!!!!!!!!
    **As far as Powell, he got me once with the Iraq war:
    “Fool Me Once / Shame on You”
    “Fool Me Twice / Shame On Me”!

  188. Most Sunday mornings it’s quiet around here. I sleep in once and miss all the fun.

    Now I wake up and everybody disappears

  189. Gary – not me telling you what this blog is for, just me saying “we differ on this issue, but people here have asked for discussion of it to stop”. If you’ve got a better forum to continue, let me know – I’ll gladly send you my e-mail address if you don’t want to spend any more time on my blog. Beyond this, as I said above, I relinquish the floor. Apologies to any who have been caught in the middle of this disagreement.

  190. ok, I need a pep talk: I saw this link posted on another blog, and need a reality check so I don’t start packing my bags now for that hut in Fiji. I understand the media/poll haka, and that numbers have been tightening, but this is a current analysis of the electoral college count according to REPUBLICAN sources. I also saw Rove’s electoral map on FSN this morning, and it had BO at 317, McCain 171 or something. Some factual feedback to put it in perspective would be appreciated:

    http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usdeba195890112oct19,0,1854672.story

    The electoral college is a huge problem for McCain and he appears to have already lost that war by having to defend red states that he shouldn’t have to defend.

    Unless something MAJOR happens we are looking at President Obama. And I’m not even sure something major this late will be enough.

  191. Okay, I had some coffee and ruffled somebody’s feathers.

    I feel better now.

  192. Perhaps reason can take over once again when we all stop attempting to rationalize and qualify our choices which in another time would be irrelevant to our thinking.

    Most of these current talking head politicians speaking for either side are idiots. Most have gotten us to where we are by their own greed and ambition and overall support of party loyalty regardless the cost to the rest of us. To see us bickering back and forth as to who is the wisest spinner is ridiculous. People like Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, Rick Santorum are as bad now as they were just a year ago. People like Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile were as bad a year ago as they are now.

    We need to stop waxing nostalgic about people we once considered the “bad guys” just because we are angry at our own party as a consequence. Bad behavior and bad policies don’t disappear when other bad behavior and bad policies make a debut.

    And in answer to why these supers rushed to support Obama: he is black. Plain and simple they were out to show how far we have come in considering a minority candidate and if it took a mighty pushing and pulling and circumventing of all we held dear, so be it. Simply put: they did it because he is a minority. All reasoning, like objectivity, went AWOL this election.

    This is just another reminder of the Bush legacy. They felt they could shove just about anybody at us and we would all dutifully fall into line. Some of us still have our wits about us and a strong enough backbone to refuse. Better a McCain with a background than an Obama with none.

  193. Anger is a mandatory response to injustice.

    It’s like that bumper sticker: If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.

  194. fif –

    pep talk commencing. All those numbers are based on polls. There are a million reasons polls aren’t trustworthy. For instance, I’m someone who has no landline. Internet comes in through cable, and I have a cel phone which doesn’t charge for long distance – don’t see a reason to pay for land line anymore. As such, I cannot be reached by pollsters. Don’t believe them. Vote your conscience, and if you really are worried about fraud, become an election observer. The will of the people will be voiced if we make sure of it.

  195. I have not posted for a very long time, but am a daily reader here. Thank you, Riverdaughter, for this morning’s epistle. It has allowed me to breathe in clean air after months of choking on anger-polluted campaign air. I am still so very angry about this election and have desperately needed a concise summation of my frustrations…[as I am not the wordsmith who can craft my own thoughts so elegantly]…and your post this morning does that for me. Balm for the irritable-brain-syndrome I have had for too long.

  196. fif: Perfect summation.

  197. Simply put: they did it because he is a minority.

    Pat: I would go one step further. It’s not just that he is a minority–he is a minority WITH a penis. Required accessory. A minority woman candidate wouldn’t have a chance in hell.

  198. Thanks IBD.

  199. Wakonda-Ikwe, on October 19th, 2008 at 12:17 pm Said:

    Balm for the irritable-brain-syndrome I have had for too long.

    *****************

    🙂 Thanks. I’ll be using that.

  200. Fif,

    Don’t forget that this electoral map they are coming up with is based on polls. I also think that the 30 minute TV spot will blow up in the face of Obama. It is overkill. If someone who is for Obama changes their mind, I think they would be more likely NOT to vote. I already know a lot of people who are doing this. I know 10 pro Obama first time voters who have failed to register, there are bound to be more. Halloween will put a dent in the momentum as the youngsters begin to party. Don’t underestimate the lack of voter turnout for the democrats. The more they emphasize how well Barry is doing, or that a state is in the bag. There will be those who will not vote because they will feel comfortable.

  201. If you want to see anger and hatred, just visit a Kool-aid blog.

    Of course they demonize their targets as r@cists first, so that makes it okay to hate them.

  202. Gladly done, fif. 🙂 Screw the numbers and the polls and anything else…as long as each of us goes to the ballot box and voices what we believe with our vote and makes sure it is counted, we’ll be all good. I do recommend though, if you have the time, try and watch your local polling place as much as you can. If voter fraud is going to be avoided, we’ve all gotta be on the alert as much as possible. The system working fairly counts on voters demanding it does so, and providing the oversight to make sure it happens. That may matter more than even casting your vote, especially with the voter fraud allegations that have been going around.

  203. RD: This is an outstanding post. And not one single superdelegate will accept your offer. Not one. You should publish a list of all of them, and we should send this post to them. And then let’s see if any single one of them accepts a PERSONAL invitation to make his/her case.

  204. The anger is coming out of my ears. So much so that I feel almost incoherent at times. We have been duped, manipulated, lied to, and dismissed. Like falling in love and finding out your “soulmate” has no interest in commitment.

    I am retreating back to my novel. At least it advertises itself as such unlike this election season which has been spinning the narrative to appear “real”. No such thing. It is a con. A complete sham.

    And someone please tell me where in the world, in this so called economic crisis that calls for trillions of dollars in bail out money, this moron has managed to earn $150,000,000 in one month from “campaign contributions”? People fear losing their homes and jobs and this year’s heating prices are already through the roof, yet they managed to scrape up enough money to contribute to Obama’s campaign?

    Give me a freaken break!

  205. Michelle Obama strikes again…

  206. “I think I will forego buying bread and milk this week for the kids so I can make a contribution to Obama”.

  207. I have been seething with rage since the roll-call fiasco and have been definitely completely changed by the horror that this election season has been for all women. I will never trust any man again, and have cut off all ties to all friends, male and female, who have tried to condescendingly tell me to stop being so g**d**** obsessed and to vote for Obama because McCain is worse. That includes every single AA that I have known for years. I have no problem feeling the anger and the threat and the worry and the injustice—I still have to figure out how to best channel it into defense and then whole-hearted aggressive fight to victory of each progressive goal of war.

  208. And someone please tell me where in the world, in this so called economic crisis that calls for trillions of dollars in bail out money, this moron has managed to earn $150,000,000 in one month from “campaign contributions”?

    Pat, good point.

  209. RD: one point of clarification:
    I agree with every single thing you say about it being right to be angry. When I wrote about Davis’ column and said I was not angry I was saying that I am not angry that Hillary Clinton is not the nominee: I was saying that I am angry that she is not the nominee because she was cheated out of that position.

  210. “We have decided to serve tofu on Thanksgiving and donate the money we would normally have spent for the turkey dinner to Obama’s campaign”.

  211. “We have talked it over as a family and have agreed we would rather donate to the Obama campaign than to buy gifts. An Obama win is that important to us”.

  212. myiq:
    Last night after My Two Cents (Matt’s show) a bunch of us went over to an Obama BTR show in a PumaRaid. We stayed for the whole show and several PUMAs called in. We asked questions. Some items of interest:

    -They had NO IDEA who Odinga is or his connection to Obama. They said the photo of the two was photoshopped until I put up a video of Odinga greeting Obama at the airport.

    They kept calling us Republicans – I countered that and we all identified themselves as PUMA and they had no idea what PUMA stood for.

    -One Puma caller, okbiograd, has a very pleasant voice – the hosts kept calling her “sweetie” and talked very slowly so that she would understand – she was asking about the birth certificate I think – can’t remember.

    -They could not name a single thing Obama has ever done.

    -They could not explain a single plan.

    -There were 27 people in the chat room (Matt sometimes has more than 80) and the Obama regulars could not read fast enough to keep up with us.

    I don’t think we changed anyone’s mind – but we blew off a lot of steam.
    🙂

  213. “It was a decision to either pay the mortgage this month or contribute to the Obama campaign. I would rather go without a roof over my head than to not contribute. There is no choice”.

  214. mInd-boggling articulation, RD! What an incredible post!!

    and Arabella,

    I love you and your gounded spirit. I share your thoughts and appraciate that you are keeping our eyes on the prize.

  215. Pat Johnson, where are you quoting from?

  216. RD / All — just getting started over here. Here’s my theory.

    Obama went to Nancy / Harry and said – look, I have ACORN behind me, I have a ton of money coming in – don’t ask how I am getting it, I can help through voter fraud keep the majority in Congress / Senate. Nancy / Harry saw dollar signs, greed & power.

    I personally am glad Hillary was not the nomination. Obama is out spending McCain by 4 to 1. He can’t close the deal. I am hoping people wake up.

  217. Heidi Li: Nowhere. The 150 million has come from somewhere. And if the economy is as bad as they say it is then the public must still be finding ways to fill the coffers. How else does one explain all that money in one given month?

  218. Still-Darn, wish I had listened to My Two Cents last night. That sounds awesome! I would have loved it. I was too sleepy to stay up. I wish that show was on earlier!

  219. I thought MO was in an undisclosed location with Wright so they couldn’t do any more harm to the precious

  220. Heidi: You were not the only person who commented on that passage yesterday. But any equivocation on the anger issue probably isn’t productive. Any anger from us is going to be seen as irrational. At this point, I don’t care what they think about it. They just have to deal with it. We should have been angrier earlier.

  221. Hi Joan – it is late – we were up till after 4 a.m. – but Saturday night is party night and we decided to do something different so we crashed the Obama party. Actually, I think their party must have been pretty boring until we got there. Right at the end, of course , somebody used the “r” word at us.

  222. SOD: Of course. No other explanation than an amount that stupendous amount is not coming from the guy struggling from paycheck to paycheck. Otherwise my facetious comments would probably not be that far off the mark.

    The donor money is highly suspect.

  223. BTW – Pat J. It’s been awhile – i am impressed with all the sacrifices you and yours are making for The One. Sound a little bit like Advent.

  224. “Wow 150 million dollars raised by Obama. That would feed a lot of hungry kids. I wonder if Michelle thought that when she was drinking champagne and eating caviar at the Waldorf last week.”

    afrocity,

    Why aren’t more people talking about how immoral it is to have this kind of money pent on a candidate??

    I really think that should be a major talking point for McCain.

    BTW, I have been loving your comments .

  225. The donor money is what will keep Obama an “elitist.” He is working for the elite and he is owned by the elite—and the AAs are so naive.

  226. “Pat Johnson, on October 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm Said:
    “It was a decision to either pay the mortgage this month or contribute to the Obama campaign. I would rather go without a roof over my head than to not contribute. There is no choice”.”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL
    so be it

  227. Why aren’t more people talking about how immoral it is to have this kind of money spent on a candidate??

    I really think that should be a major talking point for McCain.

    McCain was talking this morning on FNS about how dangerous it is as a precedent, and that it will inevitably lead to (future) scandal. He didn’t talk about the “morality” of it in terms of gross expenditure.

  228. From Pat: “And someone please tell me where in the world, in this so called economic crisis that calls for trillions of dollars in bail out money, this moron has managed to earn $150,000,000 in one month from “campaign contributions”? People fear losing their homes and jobs and this year’s heating prices are already through the roof, yet they managed to scrape up enough money to contribute to Obama’s campaign?”

    This is a big one. This should be THE talking point. How the F@*ck can is campaign be benefitting from the bad economy ? Huh????

  229. Pat Johnson, where are you quoting from?

    It’s from Pat’s cubby of snark

  230. I just read more details on the prized “white women bloc” of baby boomers. I truly cannot understand how any of them can be on the fence, with many thinking Obama would understand them. Where have they been? What possibly tells women who have had to balance outside work and families that Obama is in any way helping them? In fact, he is setting those working women back and perpetrating the things that have harmed many women, and therefore, their families.

  231. Still4Hill,

    That is too funny (that they couldn’t keep up) and too sad (that they don’t know who ‘The One’ is…really is). 😦 They media is the SUPPRESSIVE MEDIA…who will report on the PASSAGE OF SHARIA LAW IN THE US?

  232. [Sorry for the length of this, but IMHO, it’s relevant to RD’s mission statement and important for the PUMA cause.]
    I want to share an email I got last night from a long-time Dem activist. She is a very well-connected (in Dem politics) lawyer and political consultant, and is intimately connected with the NY group of staunch HRC supporters like Lynn de Rothschild & (what’s the name of the woman who had a huge falling out with Pelosi, her former best friend, Susan something?). She was instrumental in creating the WomenCount PAC organization, and as a NY-er, knows Hillary. This is someone who has been immersed in Dem politics for years. I met her last year, through friends, at a grassroots event in the Hudson Valley last year with Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, and we communicated all through the primaries, sharing the same righteous anger and disgust re: BO, the media and the DNC. I haven’t talked to her since the primaries ended, and she recently sent me a video of HRC after the last debate, shilling for Obama. I wrote back saying that I still support Hillary, but can’t watch that, and told her exactly where I stand. Below is her response. We are NOT alone.

    thank you for your heartfelt letter. I don’t know where you think I stand on this, but I am exactly where you are, as are many of us. I understand where HRC is coming from–she has to do this–she has no real choice. For her, it is all about electing a Dem; I think she feels that this is the 1st step we must take if we are to have any hope of implementing the things that she cares most about. Bill is more transparent about his feelings yet even he realizes we need to put a Dem in the WH. I do happen to know firsthand how both of them feel. I have seen them a lot in the last few months. I do not like Obama at all–I have never warmed up to him and am still considering writing her name in. I have not given him a dime, I have not campaigned for him and do not plan to. I have been invited to countless events for him and have declined every one. I keep my opinions about him to myself or limited to my friends. I agree with all you have said about him. And I am very tired of having to settle for less–I even said that to HRC. So I have turned my focus not only to local elections (which I am happy to discuss with you) but to being involved with people and causes where I think we can make a difference. We are working right now on ensuring that the next DNC Chair is a qualified woman. And I have returned to my primary passion–electing women to office, particularly here in NYS thru the ERL.

    Neither you nor I are going to be able to change what happens at the Presidential level–the writing is on the wall. But we can be involved at other levels and with other issues in order to change the things we hated the most about this campaign–particularly, the misogyny, voter suppression/caucuses and corruption. We do this by electing qualified women who are willing to support and nurture other qualified women and who can’t be bought and will stand up to these kinds of abuses. That is the only way I can continue on and stay involved in this. Thank God I have so many friends who feel the same way and are as dedicated as I am to making it happen.

    So hang in there and join us in making these changes–I really think we can do this. We have the connections and the means and have already had meetings with several top officials with many more to come. I sincerely hope this buoys your spirits–all is not lost–and from every disappointing loss we can look for the positive. I have chosen to do that and in the long run, I believe it will pay off.

  233. Still-Remember the time some radio show called Matt and they were lying O supporters? That was hysterical. I’m Fembot over there, by the way. I will tune in tonight-hopefully, you and the others will call in to talk about your foray into enemy territory!

  234. re: super delegates and sycophants – Looks to me like PUMA ladies have more balls than the likes of Lanny Davis and Paul Begala, etc. I think it is a riot to see them spin their new positions.

    re: the debate between 2 women candidates being so reasonable. Yes, I think that, generally speaking, women are more ‘down to earth’ and less hung up on ego. That said, I have seen women, at work, who buy into the dominant culture, swing their figurative dicks.

  235. SOD,

    “The powers that be want him in the White House and the American people are going to buy this ‘pet rock’”

    I’m with Arabella on this one-solidly.

    Obama is going to lose. The polls are not reflecting all the people afraid to put a sticker on their car or a sign on their yard. And they aren’t answering the polls. They can’t begin to know how many of us there are.

    He will lose.

    But I am starting to believe the riot thing. I have a sinking feeling that BO himself will encourage it in his rage (and in a coded way )on election night. And it won’t be AAs rioting. It will be the folks in the “Palin is a c*@t” t-shirts and the thugs that attack McCain supporters in the streets.

  236. Something very interesting happened this morning. The Dallas Morning News, a right wing rag along with many of its writers who have been in the tank for Obama, but this morning they endorsed McCain. The Dallas Morning News is owned by the Belo Corporation and I would wager that they heard from them and their stockholders. The redistribution of wealth statement must have drove them out of their minds. They own TV stations, radio stations and another newspaper. They will probably hear from them as well.

  237. #

    #
    Heidi Li, on October 19th, 2008 at 12:33 pm Said:

    RD: one point of clarification:
    I agree with every single thing you say about it being right to be angry. When I wrote about Davis’ column and said I was not angry I was saying that I am not angry that Hillary Clinton is not the nominee: I was saying that I am angry that she is not the nominee because she was cheated out of that position.

    I agree Heidi Li, for me it has all been about the process and how it was rigged for one candidate over another less qualified one and the fact that Hillary was not allowed a Roll Call Vote, nor a Roll Call Vote for VP which she earned. Why? Because she wasn’t male and because the power ‘ELITE’ had decided WHO they wanted!

    It is clear even in Lanny’s piece that women within the Democratic Party have been there to serve and fall in line. I am not falling in line and I will not regard their behavior.

  238. fif–same old haka. hillary doesn’t support you and obama is inevitable. I don’t really care what hillary thinks anymore. If she does really think the way that letter writer reports, then she has no principles and is a hypocrtie. They seem to think she has the same kool aid hold on us that obama has on his supporters. We are at 4th and 10 in this election and they are throwing the refrigerator, the stove, the microwave AND the kitchen sink full of dirty dishes. not going to work on me. Oh, and another oldie but goodie they’re bringing up is that we are all republicans spouting right wing talking points. I’ll stick by my priniciples and maintain my integrity thank y ou very much.

  239. McCain on snl as a stalker http://tinyurl.com/3g6kco

  240. Pat Johnson -thanks for answering my question. Sorry I was deaf to your irony. Too much emotion too early on a Saturday. I’m just freaking out over Senator Obama’s scary hubris and the way he’s manipulated so many.

  241. Sharon: I remember the commercial, or song, I’m a woman (I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let you forget you’re a man). Some women wanted to prove they were equal through doing everything, i.e., I can work AND still take care of the kids, because they felt that was the way to independence – to convincing their husbands that it wouldn’t affect the “home life” if they went out and worked.

    What happened? Divorce in mass numbers, but women HAD to work then, still had to take care of the kids, received little to no money in child support, and was still pretty much stuck doing it all.

    I was a kid back then and said NO WAY! My husband does half the housework, we split it up, and I’ll admit he’s probably much better at it than I am. I have always earned more, but his job is probably far more secure than mine, so that could change at any time.

    Unfortunately, in the past, too many women didn’t demand their husband do their fair share at home. I think that’s changing though. I see young women today who will not move in with their boyfriends without equality, have no problem leaving them if they don’t live up to the agreement, etc.

  242. At this point it would not surprise me if some of the bailout found its way to his campaign, actually ;
    I will be surprised if it did not .

  243. I was thinking, if Obama is so sure to win. Why no news conferences to give voters a chance to hear him and Biden? Yeah Biden. I forgot all about him.

  244. New post up!

  245. afrocity,

    Biden, is working, he is busy yelling at Palin and collecting all the millions from those who live in million dollar homes and who have several homes (but they don’t like to talk about that).

  246. Clarification of the Colin Powell temporary moratorium: I don’t want to propagate the endorsement news around the PUMAsphere because I believe it is the intention of thread hijackers to use the news as a way to convert PUMAs. So, we’re not discussing it this afternoon. If you want discuss the endorsement, I understand they are going gangbusters over it at NoQuarter. Have a ball.

  247. dakinkat at 12:01

    oh yeah. that’s got appeal, all right.

  248. fif–same old haka. hillary doesn’t support you and obama is inevitable.

    gary: that wasn’t why I posted the letter, to spread haka. I was uplifted by the fact that top Dem leaders are PUMAs. They are still not supporting him. The “Hillary has to do what she has to do for the agenda” is political speak, and as you said, irrelevant. I am also inspired by their focus on the 30% solution. I actually wrote back mentioning the 30% solution, and she said, “That’s too low–we want equal representation baby!” I didn’t find it negative–I was looking at the other elements in there.

  249. Well, was anyone actually expecting Powell to endorse McCain? I certainly wasn’t. But I doubt anyone’s going to call him a racist.

  250. Oops, I used the “r” word. Sorry!

  251. Heidi Li your post on HUBRIS is a must read !

    bo is so filled with hubris at this point .. that instead of worrying abuot what damage his stance with Joe the plumber might do , he is confident or arrogant enough to openly attack him in this fashion…

    “How many plumbers you know making a quarter-million dollars a year? I have a different set of priorities.”

    The hubris in that statment alone speaks volumes

    #1 Plumbers are of the servant ” better be there class” we only call them when we need them but they better be there
    #2 Plumbers services are not inherently worth much
    #3 Plumbers aspirations / expectations should be limited , they should not expect to make too much
    #4 Plumbers should let bo decide what to do with his their money dreams etc than someone of a lesser class

  252. RD – great post again – you just amaze me with your writings – how about a book?? Actually, there are many people on your site that have written absolutely wonderful articles. Murphy on PUMAPac is pretty darn good too…………………………….

    I find it amazing that it is almost the end of October and I am still angry, angry, angry – and I have been angry since last December and even more so as the year has progressed.

    All of those @ssholes who said to fall in line, get over it, you have nowhere else to go, you’ll be back – well guess what – I’m not falling in line, I’m not over it, I won’t be back and I did find somewhere else to go. I don’t agree with a lot of what McCain/Palin support but ya know what – I don’t frickin’ care –

    I thought my former party supported women and its been a real eye opener to find out that it’s only certain women who are supported and screw the rest (literally). The treatment Sarah Palin has received has been even more vile than that heaped upon Hillary and I hate it, hate it, hate it.

    I will absolutely not be voting for Slick Rick the Poverty Pimp and I am requesting that Fox News investigate where the hell all the money is coming from for the pimp. We already know alot of it is coming from overseas (which is illegal, but guess no one cares) but I’d like to know for sure.

    Okay – just a rant

  253. Angie – you have such a way with words! LOL

    RD – thanks so much for this – it’s right on the money – Yes, I started grieving, Lanny – I got through Denial – got to Anger – and got stuck there – I’ve NEVER been so angry in my life at anyone or anything and I don’t think I’ll make it past Anger for a VERRRRY long time.

  254. Nice conversation with our realtor this morning. After we were finished looking at houses she asked us who we were voting for. She’s still undecided and wanted to talk so I gave her an earful about Obama. She was completely unaware that the story of a McCain supporter shouting “kill him” was false and had been disproved by the Secret Service. She was also unaware of the “c*nt” t-shirts and was very taken aback by that.

    She likes Palin and the energy she brings to the Republican ticket and was in full agreement that it takes brains to run a state and was disgusted at the sexism and misogyny that has been directed towards Palin. So, hopefully I gave her some good points to consider between now and November 5.

    Oh, and she was a Hillary supporter and bemoaned the fact that she’s no longer in the race. She said that Hillary is the kind of candidate we really need right now. (I know, I know, tell us something we don’t know!)

  255. The treatment Sarah Palin has received has been even more vile than that heaped upon Hillary and I hate it, hate it, hate it.

    No offence but there is no way that Palin’s treatment has been more vile than Hillary’s. Hillary has been taking this shit for years and during the primary it reached its climax.

  256. During our primary in Hill’s local campaign office I listened as a 25 year old feminist and HIllarry supporter suggested to the male volunteers that they stop using the expression that “Hillary has more balls than …” She explained that it describes women in terms of, or in relationship to, the male anatomy and therefore it sets up a comparison or contest that a woman can never win.

    She asked them to say that “Hillary has better eggs, or bigger eggs, etc.” The men (and women) took it in and made the change.

  257. fif: I understand your point in posting the letter. I do agree with gary though that the letter wrter seems to have succumbed to the Haka. That’s the sad part. I just called my mom. She thinks Obama is inevitable too even though she can’t stand him. The problem is, how are we going to get the despairing out to vote? This is how Obama depressed the Hillary voters in the primary. He made it seem like his win was inevitable. It *almost* worked too. So, we must try really hard to get the word out that this is how Obama wins- by making you the voter feel helpless.

  258. I’m bacKkkkkkk! McCain will win! There will be justice!

  259. oops carol, I welcomed you back on the upstairs post!! go check it out!!

  260. RD The problem is, how are we going to get the despairing out to vote?
    I too have been pondering that point – I come here each day and read some incredible information that is not getting out to the public in general – so many people, like gxm’s realtor just don’t know what is going on – how can we get all of this information out there???
    Hannity is only one source and he’s not going to get everything out there. Who will print it? where do we go? how many people can we reach out to?

  261. I’m angry at the women who have let Obama play them. I mean, he didn’t even break a sweat. All he had to do was put out the talking point that Palin’s nomination is an insult to women. Women look at Palin, see that she’s not Hillary, and buy the load of crap that it’s an insult to women for McCain to nominate a woman governor who appeals to the base that he hadn’t really secured.
    Women will never achieve power in the government as long as women voters demand that women candidates be perfect.
    Worst of all, it seems that those “insulted” women have forgotten that Obama used undemocratic tactics to take out Hillary. Really, which is worse? A woman candidate who has views with which they might disagree or a male candidate who denied them the power of their vote by encouraging misogyny?

    I’m voting against misogyny.

  262. RD you hit the angry issue on the nose. I agree with Pasty and Sugar that there many AA females between ages 40-60y/o whom have not embraced Mr. Messiah. I am Angry but strong.
    I will not vote for people whom took my vote and civil rights back to 1900.
    Ignore the Obama crazies/delusional/obsessed supporers and baseless endorsements. I have some at work telling me that I look like Michelle Obama. Ignore them. As former Psy. Nurse the best way to get back at a Narcissistic is to ignore them and to downplay their delusions of grandeur.

  263. I posted this to my Facebook profile and am awaiting the inevitable howls and shrieks from my Obama-supporting friends. Oh well.

  264. Oh, and the smarmy, condescending shit when I’m angry? Don’t I know ALL ABOUT THAT. I’m sorry you feel that way, honey. Are you off your meds? Shall you call your therapist? The whole stages-of-grieving meme applied to Hillary supporters is insulting. What is this, one giant Oprah episode?

  265. Sharon: Whenever I feel the new Feminine Mystique weighing me down, I throw the middle finger, say loudly I QUIT, and walk out. Sure pisses off a lot of people, but fuck ’em. Who the hell is gonna think of me if not me?

  266. A little late but thank you RD for this post. I am going to link to it a lot.

  267. […] Sunday: You don’t need permission to be angry, ladies This election season has brought out the worst in both parties.  It has pulled back the veil on the Democratic party, […] […]

  268. i’m pissed too and no apologies. mccain-palin. dems must be held accountable.

  269. William Faulkner in The Long Hot Summer gives a character this memorable line: “If bile had wings, you’d soar like an eagle”
    I am up there! Unashamed too.

  270. Gee Nick, do you get paid by the word or by the lie?

  271. Right on, right on. Well said 🙂

  272. “The media is shoving him in our every orifice while it hammers on Sarah Palin’s inexperience.”

    bravo …you are 100% correct on this point. But not all media agrees with what has happened. we at Femisex are fighting to be sure that by 2012 the media is held accountable for sexism. huge battle, yes, but ladies they tested the water and it was warm, now let’s show them how Cold it will be if this continues. NO Way NO HOW NO Media SEXism!

  273. I cannot believe the Dems courted Senator Clinton for so many years and then stabbed her in the back when Obama showed up. Even if he wins, he will make such a mess of things in DC that he will not be electable in 2012. But, by that time, the country will be fed with with the Obama administration and Senator Clinton won’t have a chance either. The Dems really put their foot in it this time.

  274. Riverdaughter, I love your site and almost always agree with you but I strongly disagree with the following generalization…

    “It’s just as bad on the Republican side. Many of them see a country full of Willie Hortons and welfare cheats and godless commie heathens with no sense of patriotism and they’re mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore.”

    I find this statement ironic, it serves to make the point as it follows the MSM stereotype. The Republicans I know aren’t mad because they see “Willie Hortons, Welfare Cheats and commie heathens with no sense of patriotism “,

    They’re mad because they are called racists for normal objections, they identify with Joe the Plumber and see him unfairly “Borked” for speaking against socialism and resent being told they don’t care for others when they know very well (and proven through various studies) that Republicans on the whole give more money to charity as a percentage of their income, and this is at all levels from poor to rich (regardless of working class), and devote more personal time to charitable causes than Democrats.

    They especially resent being treated unfair by the referees of society (the biased MSM) that has been calling fouls 7-1 against their team, way before Hillary, as long as they can remember. When they make objections or fight back they are told to shut up, accused of being racists, and threatened with further technical fouls. The whole MSM is in biased lockstep, yet call Foxnews biased because they don’t walk lock step with them. It has very little to do with Willie Horton, welfare cheats and godless commie heathens.

    I am a Hillary supporting PUMA and am also mad as hell for many of the same reasons, I certainly don’t make such assumptions on myself and don’t think it proper to make such assumptions on them.

  275. Once again, screwed but not kissed. Always a bridesmaid. By my own party at that…My revenge comes in early Nov.

  276. I have a problem with voting for McCain, but cannot stand Obama who strikes me as nascent fascist. On the other hand, I am impressed with Sarah Palin. I do not agree with many of her positions, but she has to be better than gasbag Joe. Most of my friends have bought into the idea that Palin is a total twit. I have tried explaining that a no talent woman cannot possibly beat an incumbent governor of her own party and then a former governor of the other one. Neither can a dumb bunny rack up an 80% approval rating (now down to 68% thanks to BO and his media buddies).

    The answer I get is that she bought that approval with her $1200 rebate checks and people who live in Alaska are stupid to start with so it is not surprising they elected a stupid governor. I try using her pushing through the gas pipeline that no one else seemed capable of doing, but it falls on deaf ears. Any suggestions?

  277. Ladies!

    1#. Extremely well-written expose which should be a “time-document” over this completely undignified and heavily biased kangaroo-election.

    2#. According to ”THE MEDIA” you’re just sissy patsies completely in the tank for Obama – and yes very grateful over that Hillary’s candidacy helped the “Anointed One” over the hill.
    The race is once again “OVER” – and Obama is the CLEAR winner.
    My, my, my I wonder where I heard this before….

    3#. – Well I guess I still have some reason for watching the TV because IF the writer of this piece is correct and if all you who commented ARE really THAT blisteringly ANGRY – anything could happen on election night. And personally, inspite that I’m a man – I wish you good luck. What Obama gets from you – he had deserved.

  278. 3#. – Well I guess I still have some reason for watching the TV because IF the writer of this piece is correct and if all you who commented ARE really THAT blisteringly ANGRY – anything could happen on election night. And personally, inspite that I’m a man – I wish you good luck. What Obama gets from you – he had deserved.

    “What Obama gets from you-he had deserved”

    LOVE IT! Trust me, even IF he goes to the White House he is in for a BIG surprise. He has sorely underestimated those who want the truth out there about what a criminal he is. A MORAL criminal. He’s awakened a tiger…make that a PUMA here and he will regret that he has used misogyny to “win” and used “cheating” to DEMEAN us.

    His legacy in history will be one of sowing hatred and he richly deserves that. Yes he does.

  279. Colin Powell’s endorsement carries about as much weight as Harry Belafonte’s endorsement, it is just one black man supporting another., and not much of a surprise. Powell has ZERO credibility since he LIED US INTO WAR and didn’t have the guts to stand up to Bush & Co. and tell the truth to the American people. He could have QUIT at any time but was a “good little soldier” for George Bush. Now he is a “good little soldier” for African Americans who are just looking at the man’s color and not his corruption, his lack of qualifications, ties to radical terrorists, and so much more. Obama doesn’t care a hoot about A.A.’s, he is just using them like he used Rev. Wright and oh so many others. Obama is the pawn of terrorists (domestic and otherwise) and A.A.’s will be hurt just like the rest of us under the Obama doctrine. Joe Biden predicts an international crisis in 6 months of Obama entering the White House. Obama’s total lack of experience will not keep A.A.’s or anyone safe in America. Just ask Joe Biden.

  280. […] with riverdaughter about the anger, I think it’s time to bring out the heavy-duty tools—as in prayer and […]

  281. I’ll tell what pisses me of today is that the more I think of Obama letting Chris Matthews on his plane as a reporter AFTER he got demoted for being a misogynistic PIG, I am boiling over this!!

    Matthews wants to go into politics in Pennsylvania and Obama will endorse or help him. TWO PIGS IN A POD!!

    This whole thing reeks. Obama is REWARDING Matthews for the help he got as Matthews spewed his hatred of women to tear Hillary down. The old boys club while Mr. “Change” and “Hope” throws it back in our faces.

    What a POS!! Obama is nothing but, a woman hating POS!

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  283. Supers & Co.: IMO many were bullied, threatened and pushed, just like the rest of the delegates were. We were there…we heard and saw it.

    It is amazing that Lanny Davis and others like him simply refuse to ‘get it.’ After all this time…and all of these highly intelligent, articulate, thoughtful blog commentaries from so many, the ‘Pundit Class’ still doesn’t understand, or, more likely, does not WANT to.

    The concept is very simple: We have been brought up to believe in our country, its system of government and the democratic principles upon which it was founded. Now that we have seen them pushed aside as glibly as the most highly qualified, brilliant candidate of the century has been pushed aside, we most certainly have cause for anger, but that is not what drives us so much as our love–for our country, its people and human rights, all of whom have been supplanted by main stream media, the DNC’s selectee and the love he has for himself.

  284. The rules for the Democratic National Convention were written by a DNC composed of Clinton loyalists, at a time when Senator Clinton was the presumed nominee. It is the Clinton DNC that wrote the rules. If they didn’t want caucuses, they could have abolished them. If they didn’t want superdelegates unbound by primaries, they could have reduced or eliminated them. They designed a primary/caucus schedule precisely in a way they thought would best aid Senator Clinton. If they didn’t want to sanction states that didn’t follow the schedule, they shouldn’t have made that rule. Senator Clinton ran a poor campaign, failed to organize in caucus states, and lost. And now Barack Obama is poised to win, and in fact is drawing a larger percentage of Democrats than any recent nominee. You can be angry all you want (you obviously don’t need my or anyone else’s permission), but that’s reality.

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