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Late Night: The Confluence

con·flu·ence (knflns)n.

1.

a. A flowing together of two or more streams.
b. The point of juncture of such streams.
c. The combined stream formed by this juncture.

2. A gathering, flowing, or meeting together at one juncture or point

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. confluenceconfluence – a place where things merge or flow together (especially rivers); “Pittsburgh is located at the confluence of the Allegheny and Monongahela rivers”

geographic point, geographical point – a point on the surface of the Earth
river – a large natural stream of water (larger than a creek); “the river was navigable for 50 miles”
2. confluence – a flowing together

blending, blend – the act of blending components together thoroughly
3. confluence – a coming together of people

merging, coming together, meeting – the act of joining together as one; “the merging of the two groups occurred quickly”; “there was no meeting of minds”

You are not alone.

134 Responses

  1. And all this time I thought it meant “confused influence”

  2. Good. Because I find myself logging in here more and more. Every time I need to huddle.

  3. What a lovely video and a beautiful post. Thanks, I needed that.

  4. @ myiq
    No, silly. It’s really “against influence” as opposed to profluence

  5. It’s very important to know one is not alone.

  6. confluence
    is that like centrist democrats and moderate republicans?

  7. We have t-r-o-l-l-s on old threads

  8. kitchen: it is like anyone who puts principle before party.

  9. Riverdaughter: that is so beautiful. Thank you. It’s been a long and difficult road, and it has made all the difference to have a community that truly understands. We are not alone.

  10. Most Conflucians are left-of-center.

    Some are waaaaay left

  11. You are a hero RD.
    As people, we should know that we’re never alone, no matter what.
    Being alone is so very terrible.

  12. Confluence + Rico = a safe place — thanks for all you do RD.

  13. And all this time I thought it meant “confused influence”

    And then there’s myiq!! 🙂 All the more reason to keep coming back.

  14. Hey beautiful people,

    Here is a funny site. It is called Help Josh Decide.This guy is undecided and he is letting America tell him who to choose:

    http://helpjoshdecide.com/

  15. myiq — isn’t that the dumbest thing ever — going on old thread to spew hate when no one will read them? Those Obots are the biggest wusses evah — they can dish it but they can’t take it. Useless a$$hats.

  16. Good night everyone. Such a nice note, literally, before sleep.

  17. All the violent imagery against women in this campaign has me speechless. And glad not to be alone.

  18. RD-
    thanks for letting me hang out here. it’s a pleasure to listen to people whose positions are not always the same as mine, but will discuss their positions rather than SCREAM them when an opposing opinion surfaces. I try to stay out of those discussions here, because I am only a guest in your house, and the focus here is PUMA. Thanks!!

  19. myiq- And therin lies some of the difficulty I, and I assume, many of you have been having of late. I will be voting for McCain/Palin, but it is so difficult, as my politics have always been left of center. I don’t mind increased gov’t spending, as long as it is for universal healthcare and education, but Sir Barks-a-lot is so totally deceptive and untrustworthy, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get more progressive programs passed during a McCain administration, see his HOLC plan, for example. I am left with leading with my heart at this point.

  20. Angie, it makes them look like they won an argument. If they have the “last word” they win. Sometimes I like to see how far people will go.

  21. I’m going to try this again because I got zero response. I already sent my email (polite) so it’s too late, but I respect all of you and would really like to know your opinion on whether I’m being hyper-sensitive. I “cc’d” my email to two people, one man, one woman. Strangely, the man said great email, you’re right, the woman said I don’t get why you think this. Huh? Anyway, here’s my original post here (I’m going to bed):

    Help! I’m ready to blow a gasket on a friend of mine. He’s running for a family court Judge position, against a woman. The woman has the worst ratings of a judge in our family court system. He has union endorsements, synagogue endorsements, all of our newspapers have endorsed him – he’s a top notch attorney YET, I just heard his commercial jingle today and I’m beside myself. The end of it says: That’s Ken Pollock, a man AND a name you can trust.

    My husband thinks I’m taking it way out of context, but I don’t think so. Why could he not have said: A man “with” a name you can trust; or simply a name you can trust. I honestly don’t believe he is a sexist pig, or mysoginistic at all, but WHY would he go there? I don’t get it. After listening to the jingle, please let me know what your opinion is.

    http://www.pollock4judge.com/

  22. gq — they really are dumb, aren’t they? it makes them look like they “won” the argument in their own little pathetic minds because no one is there to respond — it’s like the tree falling in the forest thing.

  23. thanks for a great place to come and gather for as long as we want. we all should feel proud to have such great associates. be strong…we will carry on.

  24. angie:

    They can’t be following links or they would show up earlier.

    I’m wondering if they do it cuz they get paid by the number of comments they post here and our site monitors are quicker on the trigger in the active threads.

  25. BTW, I’m not a church going person, but I really like this song and it is a beautiful video.

  26. liliam:

    I think McPalin is farther to the left than Obama.

    If Teh Precious has any ideology it certainly isn’t leftish

  27. Let the PUMAs and the McCain-Palinites join at the confluence.

    And let us share in the potential undoing of the Obama wagon. Take a look at who Ed Rendell compares Obama to in this WaPo story.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/26/rendell_compares_obama_to_adla.html

    Hint: He’s a two-time presidential race LOSER.

  28. i’m right of center …. what ever poses for center these days

  29. nv- I thought he just meant to use both man and name as subjects of the sentence, such as a man you can trust (as opposed to one you cannot) and a name you can trust (he must have some legacy). If he were a woman, he could say a woman you could trust and a name you could trust. It is redundant, I must admit, but is he doing it because he comes from a family known in the community? It is awkward, i must admit.

  30. NV Voter — I don’t know, he could just mean a “man you can trust” and a “name you can trust” and put it together as one sentence for time constraints. HOWEVER, given the tenor of of everything that has gone on in this election cycle, I would not be surprised if it was done on purpose to send a subliminal message with an easy cya explanation. So, I guess my answer to you is a resounding “maybe.” Nonetheless, I think you are always ok when you follow your instinct, & if your instinct is telling you “foul” then you are right.

  31. Well put, RD. Thank you for this haven. I learn a lot here — I get a great deal from listening to diverse voices. This election season has been heart-breaking in so many ways, but at the same time, I’ve very grateful for the fellowship I’ve found, too.

  32. myiq- i agree, I have never considered him a progressive either, but I have never considered Republicans as possibly progressive until now! It is a tiny epiphany, I guess.

  33. myiq2xu, on October 19th, 2008 at 11:48 pm Said:
    Most Conflucians are left-of-center.
    Some are waaaaay left

    Wwwwaaaayyyyyy left kid over here!!!
    (grin)

  34. Did joanie leave? Sigh.

  35. myiq2xu, on October 19th, 2008 at 11:59 pm Said:
    liliam:
    I think McPalin is farther to the left than Obama.
    If Teh Precious has any ideology it certainly isn’t leftish

    I would agree with you. I also think that BO is a political oppurtunist who adopts what positions he sees fit.

    I don’t view him as being progressive or liberal at all. He is only so when he benefits from it.

  36. elderj:

    It wasn’t until this year that I realized that I had bought into the partisan trap that has conservatives saying libruls hate America and liberals saying conservatives are r@cists.

    Both sides can be intelligent, principled and informed. Demonizing each other serves no purpose but to perpetuate the partisan trap.

  37. I’d rather be alone than “with” a bunch of sellouts who choose winning at the price of principle. That said, I am happy tohave a place where I am understood. Change for Democracy keeps calling like somehow my answer on who I am voting for is magically gonna change. I swear it is like the eight time they have been told this is a McCain household.

  38. Night everybody! I love you all — but myiq is still my favorite. 😉

  39. RD, THANK YOU. I will leave it at that since I have tried unsuccessfully several times to express how much this means to me.

  40. Look at one of the major justifications used to try to convince PUMAs to support Obama despite of everything that has happened:

    The GOP is worse!

    Sadly, some people have bought that argument

  41. myiq2xu, on October 20th, 2008 at 12:08 am Said:
    elderj:
    It wasn’t until this year that I realized that I had bought into the partisan trap that has conservatives saying libruls hate America and liberals saying conservatives are r@cists.
    Both sides can be intelligent, principled and informed. Demonizing each other serves no purpose but to perpetuate the partisan trap.

    I agree. Before now, I always saw them as the bad guys.
    Now I think exactly what you think.
    it’s why I am registered as an independent now. I feel like the Democratic party doesn’t share my principles anymore. I want BC’s “Third Way” back.

  42. littleisis:

    I’m still a flaming liberal. But the Democratic party has been pulling my chain for years now, promising but not delivering.

    I can’t tell you how many times I told myself “At least they’re better than the Republicans”

  43. RD – I don’t know if you reading this thread, but i wanted you to know that your “you don’t need permission to be angry” post that I put up at RCP had 13 votes last time I checked. So, you should be getting some new readers which is good for all of us.

    You occasionally ask me, so what are we going to do about the state of things?

    Cross-promoting each other’s work wherever we can (not just yours and mine – Murphy’s and other people’s too) is essential. We need to bring our collective and overlapping voices into as many locales as possible.

    By the way, could you check your email RD? I left you a slightly important message there.

  44. Odd you should post this tonight, RD, as I almost left a message on the last thread saying, “And here I’d just like to leave a quiet thank you to everyone for creating a place where I can go and not feel so alone.” So, just thank you. And thank you again, all of you, especially RD, without whom none of us would have this much needed sanctuary in a year of frequently upsetting, often cruel and unusual turbulence.

  45. myiq2xu, on October 20th, 2008 at 12:17 am Said:
    littleisis:
    I’m still a flaming liberal. But the Democratic party has been pulling my chain for years now, promising but not delivering.
    I can’t tell you how many times I told myself “At least they’re better than the Republicans”

    Talking to a “new democrat” here. My first vote ever, as a seventeen year old back in March, went to Hillary Clinton.

    I’ve grown up with GWB and I’m too young to remember the Clinton years very well.

    At least I didn’t waste years. I know now. Maybe I’m luckier than you, or maybe I was in good company. 🙂

  46. Bosox choke, Devil Rays going to their 1st WS

  47. littleisis:

    When I was your age I was dumb enough to vote for Reagan.

    Lucky you, you won’t have that on your conscience

  48. Hi gqm – if you are still around!

  49. hi everyone — yes it is great to have this oasis — the confluence as oasis —

    for swingvoter– I think he’s just using “man” as in “person” sounds ok to me

  50. loved that earlier piece about being angry — see, my avatar is bouncing up and dowm

  51. Rd——–& Co.

    This is off LAT — important re the fundraising, now and future and this country. I’m still really upset over the Palin vid. Really bad. This stroy is also creepy. McC abided by the rules. Guess who didn’t.
    It’s wrong.

    Here is the story:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/barack-obama-to.html

  52. myiq: I voted for Reagan too – first vote.

  53. myiq2xu, on October 20th, 2008 at 12:41 am Said:
    littleisis:
    When I was your age I was dumb enough to vote for Reagan.
    Lucky you, you won’t have that on your conscience

    🙂

  54. Jjm. How ya doin?

  55. myiq2xu, on October 20th, 2008 at 12:17 am Said:

    I can’t tell you how many times I told myself “At least they’re better than the Republicans”

    I think we have all thought that previously. I think it shows how this campaign has made everything upside down, topsy-turvy. I’ve supported every Dem nominee (while holding my nose sometimes) since I first registered to vote but this is the worst I’ve ever seen the Dem. party put forth and just can’t do it this time.

    Oh! And another thing…I don’t know how many times I had to change channels this weekend because of Obie commercials on seemingly every channel! I can only guess it’s going to get worse in these last few weeks. ;-(

  56. gqm: pretty good. Sharpening my pencil for my absentee ballot – should get it any day!

    How are you doing?

  57. Vbonnaire, Obama is ALL about money (as in power). He’s the ultimate anti-Democrat, doesn’t even have to bother with sheep’s clothing, b/c the MSM gladly supplies him with all the cover any wolf could want. Instead of mourning the apparent end of public financing, the MSM are all too glad to boast about Barry’s fantastic fundraising as the numbers spin upward into the stratosphere. Not a word about the obscenity of it all, especially in the face of a tanking economy and hardship looming on the horizon for so many Americans. Bastards all.

  58. That video was God Awesome Holy! What a thing and glorious convergence. All those birds knew when it was their time to jump. I was wondering about the ones left behind and would they catch up.

  59. Just got my absentee ballot this weekend.

  60. Angie, Lilliam, and What: Thank you. I really like this person, I voted for him, but I seriously almost crashed my car when I heard this commercial. It’s so not him to say “vote for me because I’m a man.” My email to him was polite in that I said it “appears.” I am all about woman power, but I also know that sometimes women throw women under the bus to “prove” they’re not hateful towards men. This whole thing kind of threw me for a loop.

  61. Coming to this site has been paramount in keeping me from feeling isolated in my fear and search for understanding throughout the last four horrible months. I am very glad that “The Confluence” is here and am thankful to all of the clear-thinking and intelligent people also searching, writing and commenting here.

  62. They are now just called the Rays. The devil was dropped, thank heaven. Go Rays !
    swingvoter – sounded ok to me.
    RD – this site has saved my sanity more than once even though I mostly lurk. Thanks.
    I am right of center and I’m liking McCain/Palin more and more. I’m voting straight Rep. this time. I may become one. Who knows?

  63. gqm:

    I see you stirred up the natives over at the other place.

  64. My husband and I have been watching the debates for governor. That race is hard for me, I’d like to vote a 30% solution, but I also am not crazy about the antics of this race.

  65. I see you stirred up the natives over at the other place.

    What place is that?

  66. gqm: are you causing trouble AGAIN or is this more of the BIO thing?

  67. Kat5: As a moderate Republican, I agree. This is a place I have found to to find sanity. It hurts when I see Republithugs, or some of the other stuff, but I know in my heart that they have good reason to believe that way.

    I’m a conservative Democrat, moderate Republican, and most times in between even those two.

    I’ve learned that I don’t drink the kool-aid of my chosen party, nor do I think everything the other side says is “from God’s lips.”

    I really should register non-partisan, and if Hillary runs in 2012, I’ll probably spend a good deal of time supporting her. i don’t agree with everything, but like Ronald Reagan says, if you agree 80%, you’re probably there.

  68. WV:

    Corrente – gqm told the truth, which upsets some people

  69. Oh, Thanks…I don’t go there….

    Do you have a link?

  70. I think BIO has a crush on me.

    What did I do this time IQ? I only commented once today.

    Jjm, Rossi lost me on the whole minimum wage thing. As much as I’d like to vote against Gregoire for pushing Obama, I don’t really like Rossi. He’s a perennial candidate who needs to get a job besides running for office.

  71. Still trying to decide if I’m voting McKinney or writing in Hillary (which won’t count in my state)…

  72. Thanks to all the PUMAs who show me I am in good company. I moved recently and four houses away from me there’s a big “Hillary” sign in a house. Need to drop a note on their door complimenting their intelligence!

    Just voted my absentee ballot, protest vote big-time for me: Nobama. This Puma’s for Palin. Hel! Obie votes Yes on FISA, doesn’t want universal health care; how can I tell him from the Rs; may as well pick a genuine one. And one who knows HRC has the brains in the party. No way will I reward the DNC for their betrayal.

    Looking forward to the roll call of the big EV states going Nobama soon….

  73. Nite all…

    Nite Zee…

  74. Anybody seen polling? I was looking at cleveland.com earlier and nothing much.

    Still not believing MO/VA will go Nobama.

  75. My first presidential vote was for McGovern. I started out knowing about voting for the loser from the beginning. I did vote Rep. once for Reagan when Carter had given us gas lines, Hostages, and 17 % home mortgage rates.

  76. Chuck Todd is saying Obama is within striking distance in Arizona. LOL

  77. He might have a crush on you! I didn’t think of that. I don’t think I comment where he is playing, I haven’t been, um, interested. I keep hoping Lambert will get in a mood…

    I am hoping for a 3rd party to vote for governor – kind of “none of thee above”. Rossi seems to be full of crap but Gregoire has been race baiting, so I don’t really like either one.

  78. Oops, got myself grabbed by Spammy the Moderator.

    Sarah didn’t like you comment about Colon Pow-ell

  79. I’ve got another coming, IQ. I think BIOs crush on me is charming in same way poking at a big, thick scap is charming. They make an ass of themselves with little help from me.

  80. I just gotta figure some of these polling reports are naught but wishful thinking…

  81. Sarah doesn’t seem to like any of gqm’s comments.

  82. Well, a few big EV states: OH, PA, FL goin’ Nobama outta do it.

    And yes, I thought long and hard about whether to reward Gregoire for her Obotism. Rossi has nothing attractive about him tho.

  83. Sarah doesn’t like much of anything

  84. LHinSeattle: Hi! I noticed pretty much everyone in WA up for re-election endorsed obama. Doesn’t leave many “good” choices.

  85. I had to laugh a week or so ago when Sarah did a post making fun of a reporter for using the term “semi-automatic ammunition”

    She included a picture of .45 ACP ammunition.

    ACP stands for “Automatic Colt Pistol” and it refers to ammunition designed for semi-automatic pistols.

  86. Haha. I think I hit a little too close to home. Sarah went from puma to uber-Obot in the blink of an eye, faster than the rapture is supposed to happen.

  87. Eleanor A, on October 20th, 2008 at 1:33 am Said:
    Still trying to decide if I’m voting McKinney or writing in Hillary (which won’t count in my state)…

    I don’t think I’m allowed to write in Hillary. I guess I’m still debating between McKinney and McPalin.

  88. littlesis: my advice (but not RD’s ) … if you are going to protest, PROTEST

  89. y’all have fun, I’m gonna call it a weekend

    Tschuss!

  90. gqm: I didn’t know Sarah was ever PUMA. weird.

  91. Jjm, I think many were expecting to suckle off Obama’s cash teat. They have probably been sorely disappointed.

  92. Eleanor, yeah, but I think they’re doing the Republicans’ work for them. They’re getting them fired up.

  93. I said something about that to my husband about the lack of help for Gregoire. You’d think he’d flood WA to help her.

  94. I should hit the sack as well. Need to get up early to hit the job market before the sun comes up. Ttyl, jen.

  95. Yeah, me too. My cat has been in here telling me to go to bed.

    Good luck with the job hunting Doc!

  96. gq: You sure did stir up a hornet’s nest over there! Had run reading all the comments/lectures!

  97. jjmtacoma, on October 20th, 2008 at 1:46 am Said:
    littlesis: my advice (but not RD’s ) … if you are going to protest, PROTEST

    (Tee hee)
    Well, maybe my vote will go to McPalin.

  98. Do what you can live with. 🙂

  99. LI: Need your advice. They’re having a forum on the candidates on the 21st and I’m debating whether or not to go. Every time I’ve discussed the election lately I’ve basically turned into a bright red, pissed off Bubba. I converted my would-be gf into an undecided voter just today. I don’t want to fight but at the same time I wonder if the chance that I could change some minds is worth losing my temper?

  100. nite littlesis! Also consider Seriously’s advice with mine.

    Remember, you are young and anything you do now can be written off later as youthful indescretion!

  101. I will repost this again tomorrow:

    Amazing Ayers Audio Unearthed from Same Week Obama worked with him! Extremist Ayers and Obama views matched almost word for word !

    Ayers talks about being an anarchist and a marxist and says that the people he works with know what his views are.

    “I mean I’m as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist”

    – – William Ayers

    Everyone on this site, please watch this video before YouTube takes it down and send it out to everyone you know, including the media you think will help spread the word.

    This is HUGE BREAKING AUDIO UNCOVERED!!

    Obama knew this about Ayers!! Ayers was saying this when they worked together!

    Please help spread the word on the video and the content thereof. Let’s make the video go viral!

    This is the smoking gun on the relationship with Ayers and Obama. The American people need to hear the truth!

  102. Regency, on October 20th, 2008 at 1:58 am Said:
    LI: Need your advice. They’re having a forum on the candidates on the 21st and I’m debating whether or not to go. Every time I’ve discussed the election lately I’ve basically turned into a bright red, pissed off Bubba. I converted my would-be gf into an undecided voter just today. I don’t want to fight but at the same time I wonder if the chance that I could change some minds is worth losing my temper?

    Well Regency my dear, in the words of a wise woman, (me), “she who casts the first stone has to cast the logs out of her own bra first”. Everyone in my life is obsessed with how I am voting. I always tell them exactly what they want to hear while not exactly saying who I am actually going to vote for. It is so simple pimple, and it always works, except for when it comes to the very stupid.
    Take one of my best friends for example. We’ll call her Pixie. I convinced Pixie to vote for our Pantsuit wife in the primaries, because she is, I’m sorry to say, a very stupid person that is easily manipulated. (Pixie, I mean.) I didn’t care, it was a vote for our wife and that was what mattered. I have to say that I convinced many many people to vote for HRC with my advocacy.
    However, now she is dead set on Barack Obama and I am too lazy to try and convince her otherwise. I decide to let her wallow in her own silliness? Why do I do this? I am afraid I may murder her if I have to spend another month trying to change her mind, she is so dumb, I sometimes feel like killing her, even when we are not talking politics. So I simply told her, “Look. Don’t talk to me about Politics till the election is over. And for the record, if you ever need to form an opinion on something Pixie, please call me, I’ll tell you mine, and that will be exactly what you think.”
    It usually works very well, but I’m sure these methods, which I have all ready employed, aren’t working out for you and your pals, seeing as how they are probably several times more intelligent than mine.
    In that case, if you want to go to the forum, but don’t want to argue about it, why don’t you feign sickness, tell them you’re not going, and then go by yourself?
    It’s what I would do, anyway.

  103. jjmtacoma, on October 20th, 2008 at 2:01 am Said:
    nite littlesis! Also consider Seriously’s advice with mine.
    Remember, you are young and anything you do now can be written off later as youthful indescretion!

    Really??? Even that night when I…

    Oh, never mind, I shouldn’t talk about that on here, else I may have another stalker situation on my hands.

    I will do what I can live with. I think my heart is pulling me towards McPalin, though I’m voting down ticket Democrat.

    I don’t know though. I am still slightly demented over it. Scratch that, I am always demented. But even more so now!!!

  104. This election has left me screaming at televisions.

    Mmm, and I kind of want of ALL of Sarah Palin’s outfits. Flickr is my friend.

  105. Don’t forget the Native American meaning of confluence–a place of great spiritual power where images of bears or birds were formed into mounds in the overlooking bluffs.

    A confluence is still a place of power. We are more together than the sum of our parts.

  106. Nijma, on October 20th, 2008 at 2:30 am Said:
    Don’t forget the Native American meaning of confluence–a place of great spiritual power where images of bears or birds were formed into mounds in the overlooking bluffs.
    A confluence is still a place of power. We are more together than the sum of our parts.

    You got me moved with that one.

    Regency, on October 20th, 2008 at 2:30 am Said:
    This election has left me screaming at televisions.
    Mmm, and I kind of want of ALL of Sarah Palin’s outfits. Flickr is my friend.

    You and I are on the same page again Regency. Don’t tell my mom, but the remote for the flat screen “disappeared” because I threw it at tweety’s face.

  107. Regency, on October 20th, 2008 at 2:30 am Said:
    This election has left me screaming at televisions.
    Mmm, and I kind of want of ALL of Sarah Palin’s outfits. Flickr is my friend.

    I am going to steal her boots.

  108. Those boots are god for godless heathens; i.e., me. I just wore mine today and they are quite popular. Me and my two good friends say there trying on each other’s boots a her little bro’s b-day party,

    LI: Ha, I just got this tv so I’m afraid to break it but it’s been a near thiing.

  109. Regency, on October 20th, 2008 at 2:46 am Said:
    Those boots are god for godless heathens; i.e., me. I just wore mine today and they are quite popular. Me and my two good friends say there trying on each other’s boots a her little bro’s b-day party,
    LI: Ha, I just got this tv so I’m afraid to break it but it’s been a near thiing.

    I was buying shoes the other day and I saw these amazing boots, but I was too chicken to get them. I felt like I was too young for them or something, and they had big heels, so I was afraid my bff would call yell “HIGH HO SILVER!!!” at me again when she sees me running up to her front door.

  110. Regency:
    I am making a wordpress blog and I will probably make a blogger too.

  111. Go to noquarterusa and check out the comments for the post titled:

    Car with McCain sticker has k k _ scratched and has US flag burned on it

    What people are reporting is unreal -the politics of hope and change…suuuure

    The post concerns this news article:

    http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/10/18/393426.html

  112. Dear Riverdaughter,

    I am not a U.S. citizen, but have always been greatly
    interested in all matters concerning the U.S. as a country
    not only because of its rich history but largely because of the
    huge role it plays in world affairs. Also, I was raised and
    educated in a country which used to host American bases,
    and in addition, I have 3 siblings, all of them doctors, who
    have migrated to the U.S. They have all worked hard and continue to contribute in any way they can as American and global citizens, and I am thus very proud of each of
    them. These circumstances should easily explain why I
    remain emotionally connected with the U.S.

    Living in Japan for the last 9 years has certainly broadened
    my outlook in life – socially, economically and politically. For
    the first time, I have been able to view the U.S. as a world
    leader, not only as a “typical” Asian (typical as in easily
    awed of America’s greatness), but particularly as an
    outsider living in another economic powerhouse. There are
    many things I admire about both countries and their
    respective peoples, but I must tell you how culturally
    shocked I was to know how uncouth, if not how low, some American politicians and their supporters could be during a campaign season.

    My younger brother and older sister used to be registered
    Democrats, although the latter left the party way back in 2000, after Gore lost (I think she could not forgive him and the
    Democratic Party for refusing to acknowledge that despite his personal shortcomings, Bill Clinton could and would have
    helped Gore win the presidency – I distinctly remember that I myself was disgusted that Gore did not even win his own
    state!). As for my younger brother, he decided to switch to independent, like our sister, right after Hillary was obviously compelled to suspend her campaign. As early as last
    November, he was already complaining to me about the
    misogyny and the U.S. media’s patent refusal to vet BO.
    He is very upset, just as my sister and I are, at the way
    Hillary was treated by her own party during the primary.
    It took them a while to decide to vote for McCain, but I
    suppose what made it easy for my brother in particular
    was his unequivocal decision to leave the Democratic Party
    in June. It had pained him tremendously to have voted for consecutive “losers” (Gore and Kerry, both literally and figuratively). But what was significant in his decision was the realization that he could no longer identify with the party
    which he had readily embraced after acquiring American citizenship in 1994.

    Both of them say that their status as independents facilitated
    the process of deciding to go Republican for the first time
    (my sister has consistently voted Democratic since
    1980). BO did not even come up for consideration at any
    time during the primary, and therefore, much less so,
    thereafter. I would think that it should be easier to decide
    if one is no longer restrained nor constrained by any ties of
    loyalty to one’s party. But of course it does not mean that
    they were not at all saddened when they decided to leave or
    as some of the posters at The Confluence have aptly put it,
    “when the party left me”.

    I will not vote in the 2008 presidential election, but as part
    and parcel of the global human community, I strongly feel
    that I too have a stake in it. Hillary was my candidate too,
    and it is not because she is a woman but because she
    simply won me over when I watched her at the final debate
    for all the candidates (just before the Iowa contest I think).
    I must say that in the beginning I was only curious about her,
    wondering whether she could hold her own amongst a group
    of, on first impression, distinguished looking men (save for Richardson, who already struck me then as an opportunist
    on stage, not even knowing that he had been part of BC’s
    cabinet at one time or another). Wow, I thought to myself
    then – if Hillary does earn the nomination (I was
    skeptical of the “inevitable” tag), OMG, could we really have
    a woman president for the U.S. and the primus inter pares
    on the the world stage? It was so exciting and riveting!

    That was November, and I have seen and heard much of it
    all. I continue to hope that someday, not only the U.S., but
    the world, will not be denied of a leader like Hillary. And I
    am counting on you, Riverdaughter, to continue articulating
    the issues, and thus possibly make that dream come true.
    (That’s how much faith I, like your many supporters cum
    admirers, have in you!!!) Your blog has been indeed,
    a true refuge even for a non-voter like me. Please keep it up,
    and never give up, as Hillary has exhorted you.

    Let me take this opportunity to send you and your compatriots [madamab, garychapelhill, bostonboomer, katiebird, dakinikat, sm77 and of course mawm – I hope I did not miss anyone –
    oh there’s the precocious regency of course and myiqxu
    (a letter or two seems to be missing though)] a well-deserved
    KUDOS for a well-balanced and highly informative blog.
    I cannot tell you exactly how many nights I have spent
    reading everyone’s articles and posts and partaking of
    your insights, your humor, and even listening to you on
    blog radio. So in case you are wondering how you have reached 3.5 million hits in so short a period of time, you might perhaps give me credit for two hundred or so.

    And last but not least, thank you all!

    Sincerely from someone who will always be grateful,

    Corty

  113. I apologize for the discordant formatting of my earlier post.

  114. I was wondering who that voice was on video– Alison Krauss!
    I love Alison Krauss.

  115. “You are not alone.”

    Well everytime I get banned from what USED to be a Progressive Reality-Based blog (like Talk Left and The Cheeto) it sure FEELS that way!

  116. Lovin’ that native American interpretation of confluence. More power together than alone.

    I felt that way today in the Sarah-violence-video thread – like some of our power was coming together for something good. Sort of like when we used to raise money for Hillary over a course of some short time period. That, too, was brilliantly powerful.

    Carry on night shift.

  117. IBD, this is the email address to contact the moderators here:
    theconfluence08 [at] yahoo [dot] com

  118. I am grateful for the Confluence and the few other bastions of honesty and tolerance that I have found. Grateful and hopeful.

    We may have some different ideas and different issues but we are united in our disgust with Obama and his tactics of personal destruction. We are untied in our disgust with the Democratic Party for it’s plunge into corruption. We are united in our determination NOT to enable bad behavior no matter where it comes from.

    We are united in our determination to put our country before ANY politician and ANY party. Damn, sounds like we’re a bunch of patriotic Americans.

    Sounds like PUMA!

    The Confluence, a rational place in a sea of chaos.

    NØbama NØway in NØvember

  119. RD: Your posts and those of the other fabulous diarists on this blog are a constant and much needed reminder that there is strength in numbers in the voices who reinforce principle over party.

    This election has ripped away the facade of equality through its display of gender bias and bigotry which is alive and well even in the year 2008. Our votes no longer count and our way of life is eroding as a result of complacency but it has reawakened us here at the Confluence to a large extent. Hopefully it is not too late to make a difference.

    Had you not thrown down the gauntlet and issued your own invitation back in February I doubt my sanity would have prevailed as the disgust I was feeling had no sure outlet. You gave us the means of expression and we found a home.

    Thank you.

  120. This is my other home on the net ….
    That video is awe inspiring and the song soothes my soul ..

  121. Pat Johnson, at 6:38 am Said:

    *******

    Beautifully expressed, Pat.

  122. swanspirit: I listened to your soothing musical broadcast on Sat while I did some housework. Loved it!

  123. Powell – Traitor for selling a bogus war in Iraq. Vietnam war criminal with MyLee. Racist with Obama. 👿

  124. Powell – Traitor for selling a bogus war in Iraq. Vietnam war criminal with MyLee. R+cist with Obama. 👿

  125. I think we just all have to face the fact that there really isn’t a so-called 4th estate in this country. One of the saddest realities I have had to face (aside from the fact that we actually haven’t come a long way baby, nope, not nearly long enough) was that trusted and honorable journalists and media outlets actually weren’t. Has this always been the case and I just had my liberal democrat blinders on? Maybe.

  126. ainnj, I learned that from the coverage of W. Liberal press? No, paid for press. It’s the domination of the corporation over the people’s interest and principle. It spread to the Democratic (sic) Party too. Where next?

    and New thread.

  127. Carol, I missed you

  128. – pro-life and pro-choice standing shoulder to shoulder, sounds good, maybe that’s not a confluence since nobody should vote a ticket based simply on gender, at least not women – they’re much smarter than the men voting for McCain because he is a Veteran and the men voting for Obama because of his skin color. sorry for the skepticism but the affirmation of Roe V Wade has done nothing to curb the violence against women and inequity of pay, nor has choosing to birth impacted it. We all seem swayed by platitudes, pehaps a little more Con should be put in the confluence.

  129. RD,
    Thanks for inserting such great video–what a soothing way to face the day.

    Corty,
    Love your post. Amazing insight for someone who doesn’t live here. Your perception of how things are lately pretty much reflect the same that many of us feel–we were robbed of a soliid candidate and force-fed an empty suit.

    The saddest part has to be the injustice of it all. Most particularly, and if that’s even possible to imagine, the hatred against women that the BO camp and his minions have dished out non-stop. All of which is getting my stomach up in knots but, thankfully, also makes me reflect on what MLK so wonderfully pointed out when things get too hard to stomach,
    “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

    Thank goodness for places like the Confluence and the level head of its leaders. A place where injustices are pointed out not for the sake of pointing fingers, but trying to preserve justice by not letting the lure of party unity be the sole thing that matters and to h*ll with anything else.

    Reason why I’m convinced that PUMAS will Rock forever!

  130. This bares repeating:

    Don’t forget the Native American meaning of confluence–a place of great spiritual power where images of bears or birds were formed into mounds in the overlooking bluffs.

    A confluence is still a place of power. We are more together than the sum of our parts.

    And let’s not forget that running water is cleansing, which so many spirits need right now.

  131. RD, I want to thank you , too, for the place you provide us all.

    I came a little late to Confluence, not realizing it was even there, feeling a little “alone,” but I very much value what you do for us.

    Thank you.

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