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Feminism: It’s a Partnership Thing.



In using Teh Google for an unrelated search, I came across an article by Dick Morris on September 13, 2008, and shockingly, he said something that I felt was worthy of mention. Yes. Dick Morris, he of toe-sucking, backstabbing fame, actually has held forth on “authentic” feminism – who’s got it, and who hasn’t. Surprise, surprise – Sarah Palin’s got it, but Hillary? Not so much.

Morris says that 2012 could be a historic election, because two women might be running for U.S. President for the first time ever – something I would, of course, be incredibly excited about. He goes on:

The 2008 US presidential election could force a realignment of how women vote, Mr Morris said.

“In Palin, you have an authentic model of feminism and in Hillary you have a counterfeit one.

“Even Hillary’s best friends agree that Hillary would not have been where she is if her husband had not been president. Palin’s worst enemies concede that Palin would be where she is no matter what her husband does.”

I won’t subject you to the rest of the article, which drips with Morris’ signature venom towards all things Hillary and Bill. (He “analyzes” Hillary’s voters in a particularly sickening way.) But isn’t that interesting? Dick Morris is suddenly a feminist, and he has apparently defined feminism to mean that any woman who has a well-known or accomplished husband, is not “authentic.” No, our little ladies have to make it all on their own, or they are Fake Feminists!!!

Well, I guess that leaves out Hillary. And Eleanor Roosevelt. And Lady Bird Johnson. And Dolly Madison. And Cindy McCain – her work in Rwanda and other war-torn places has got to be discounted because she inherited her wealth and married a well-known Senator. Right? 

As the amazing Dr. Violet Socks wrote recently, here is the definition of a feminist:

Yes, You Are

feminism n (1895) 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women’s rights and interests — feminist n or adj — feministic adj

Above, the dictionary definition of feminism — the entire dictionary definition of feminism. It is quite straightforward and concise. If you believe in, support, look fondly on, hope for, and/or work towards equality of the sexes, you are a feminist.

Yes, you are.

The definition of feminism does not ask for two forms of photo ID. It does not care what you look like. It does not care what color skin you have, or whether that skin is clear, or how much you weigh, or what you do with your hair. You can bite your nails, or you can get them done once a week. You can spend two hours on your makeup, or five minutes, or the time it takes to find a Chapstick without any lint sticking to it. You can rock a cord mini, or khakis, or a sari, and you can layer all three. The definition of feminism does not include a mandatory leg-hair check; wax on, wax off, whatever you want. If you believe in, support, look fondly on, hope for, and/or work towards equality of the sexes, you are a feminist.

Golly gee, I don’t see anything there about whether or not your husband, brother, father, mother or sister is famous and/or accomplished, do you?

This is not to say that I think Morris is all wrong about Governor Sarah Palin. I think he is right, in that she is a feminist who is against abortion. Yes, women of America, THIS IS A VALID CHOICE FOR A FEMINIST. To state that it didn’t matter who her husband was is, however, ludicrous. After all, Todd Palin is, by all accounts, an exceptionally supportive man. He takes care of the house while she takes care of the State, and he is well-known as her closest confidant in all matters gubernatorial. If she had married a different man, would she have had the partner she needed to climb the ladder of success? And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t a man (gasp!) pick her as his Vice Presidential nominee? Where would Sarah Palin be without John McCain?

And the same goes for Bill Clinton. Clearly, Hillary and Bill are in a strong partnership, or he would not have put her in charge of health care when he was in the Oval Office. To try to claim Hillary is dependent on Bill, but Bill is not dependent on Hillary, is a leap that is unjustified by anything but Dick Morris’ CDS-infected cerebellum.

I really believe that the partnership aspect of feminism is one of the most overlooked components of the movement. Rianne Eisler, in her seminal work The Chalice and the Blade, wrote of the agrarian societies run by women 10,000 years ago. What she discovered was that when women were in power, the model became collaborative rather than hierarchical. Men and women worked together, and equality and social justice were stressed above all other concerns. The 30% Solution is the just the beginning of the long work ahead of us – the work to reintroduce the feminine principle into our society, and balance it properly with the masculine principle. Notice the key word: Balance.

Yes, many of us are angry and outraged by the disgusting misogyny that is, has been, and will be perpetrated against any woman who dares to try to crack that highest, hardest glass ceiling in America, and in so many other countries.

You know, like this. Or this.

But anger doesn’t preclude understanding that inclusion is better than exclusion; or that some men are better feminists than some women; or that working together is preferable to standing on opposite sides of the gender divide, screaming at each other.

We are certainly far from our goal this year. In fact, we are going backwards in some countries, like England, where it is now possible for Muslims to beat their wives with no legal repercussions. Yet thanks to Senator John McCain, we may have a woman Vice President for the very first time. And that would be one giant leap forward for all Americans, whether they want to admit it or not. Because when gender equity is reached, everyone wins.

It’s a partnership thing.

Cross-posted at Partizane

83 Responses

  1. You know, Cindy McCain is very much left out. Even over at Shakesville, I think there is no Cindy McCain sexism watch.

    Even her accomplishments are sneered at. It’s considered elitist to become a pilot?

  2. Zee – Mrs. McCain is a very impressive woman, and you are right, I think she is a bit under the radar because she is not running for office.

    I was pleasantly shocked to read her article in the Wall Street Journal about Rwanda. No brainless trophy wife, she.

  3. I like abt CIndy that she can smile and seems at ease….Michelle seems always somewhat angry….I am sure she has a Sarah Palin Vodooo doll at home!

  4. vivienne – Hubby and I were talking about that last night – how both Obama and Michelle have giant chips on their shoulders, and how neither one has shown any aptitude for working with anyone that disagrees with them.

    These are not attractive qualites in any leader.

  5. Hmmm. So the implosion of Murkowski had nothing to do with Palin getting where she is, eh?


  6. Don’t forget to count Abigal Adams in that list. She was a great & true partner without whom John Adams would not have been able to accomplish half that he did.

  7. Great post Madama! I am proud to be a lipstick feminist and I get pissed anytime someone seems to think a feminist has to be a non waxed, unattractive , chino wearer. We all have one thing in common, we want to be heard and we want to be treated with respect and as an equal.

  8. madamab: Another thought provoker once again!

    Agrarian societies of 10,000 years ago were not dominated by mistaken religious beliefs. Women assumed the role of full partners. It is when religion entered the realm of thought and pushed the “feminine” into a subservient position. Again, I will admit to being rather simplistic in my discourse, but much of the blame for sexism can be laid at the feet of religious doctrine, practiced by most of the recognized religions of the world.

    The separation of church and state must be upheld. The idea of barefoot and pregnant continues to lurk beneath. Good on Hillary and Sarah for their accomplishments. And Hillary was fully capable of doing this on her own!

  9. Michelle not only seems angry but she also doesn’t seem comfortable within herself.

    There’s always this antsy kind of dislocation between who she is and what she’s doing. Maybe it’s just me.

    Someone on the previous thread asked why there is such a feeling of negativity towards the Clintons from the Republicans – Hill was one of the the panel for Nixon’s impeachment – therefore they would never have let Bill off the hook without an impeachment and they’ll never back down from Hill – I think that’s one of the reasons that I kind of (kind of) like JMac – he has worked with her and respects both Hill and Bill.
    I believe she’ll have a better ride the next four years if JMac is elected – Obama will try to bury her.

  10. On the money, again, PJ

  11. The WSJ article on Rwanda — I joined Women for Women International after reading it — I know have a “sister” in Rwanda & it is very worthy group. I urge any woman reading with $27 extra cash a month to consider joining.

  12. Angie – Great point! My list was not meant to be complete, of course – those fabulous females were just off the top of my head.


  13. Madamab,

    I posted this before… an explanation from an AAman and why he would not vote for BO – I think he put his finger on Bo and Michelles issues


  14. Dick Morris sure has a weird thing for Hillary. I mean that could cost tens of thousands of dollars at the therapist’s office to even start to get a handle on.

  15. I remember during the primary when I was commenting on Taylor Marsh. Somehow people started a roll call of powerful women through history. It was very inspiring.

    I truly believe the world will change when women take the reins.

  16. I love Riane Eisler too! Chalice and the Blade, partnershipway.org and Sacred Pleasure: Sex, Myth, and the Politics of the Body.

  17. Mawm – I absolutely agree! 🙂

    Vivienne – I think you are right. That author nailed it.

    But there are many AA’s who grew up in that era who never stopped believing the basic idea that America was a evil and r*cist place, although these same people moved into the mainstream of middle and upper class American society to have families, own homes, and get decent paying jobs, as they grew older.

    I personally know many of them who still have a deep rooted, well hidden hatred, for white Americans, for perceived r*cial grievances, both past and present. These people will interact with whites on a daily basis, but in private in the presence of other AA’s express their true bitterness regarding this country, and the need for change, no matter how radical that change may be

    Based on things I have heard and read of his associations in the 90’s with Bill Ayers and others,, when he was 34 and not 8 years old (as Barack relates his age to the bombing apex of Ayers, instead of when his true interaction occurred), I believe Barack Obama is one of those people with a basic belief that America is an evil and r*cist nation that needs radical change. I not only believe that of Barack, but of his wife Michelle too, who early in his campaign let slip her true feelings about this country.


  18. I think CEDAW has the 30% solution in it. It encouraged countries to have 30% women in government.

  19. My understanding of the Dick Morris hatred was that Bill Clinton was running a close race back in Arkansas and requested Morris’s help once again. Hillary opposed it on the grounds that she did not like or trust Morris. Bill went ahead and hired him against her advice and the antipathy was felt.

    Since that time he has done his best to get even with her at any and every opportunity. He is a low swinging sleazebucket and her instincts to his character were right on target. However, he did manage a win for Bill so Bill remains on the sidelines. Most of the hatred and vitriol from Morris is directed almost entirely toward Hillary.

    Obviously Morris loves having an axe to grind.

  20. Part of feminism is believing in an ethic of care, I think. I am not sure whether Palin has that or not, but Hillary Clinton certainly does! Dick Morris is full of sh*t, b/c he hates Hillary so much it colors everything. But Palin is a feminist if she thinks she is–and the President of the LA Chapter of NOW said she was. That, to my mind, is a better endorsement than DM.

  21. Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women = CEDAW

  22. Angelasmith, I believe you would love Zapatero

    Zapatero appoints Spain’s first cabinet with female majority


  23. YES MadamaB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Great post, it’s sad that we have to go through this as women.

    Feminism, to me means EQUALITY for women, regardless where you stand on choice.

    Would Susan B. Anthony suddenly not be a feminist because she didn’t support abortion yet respect women’s right to do so?????

    The Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women (the CEDAW Convention) is a human rights treaty for women. The UN General Assembly adopted the CEDAW Convention on 19th December 1979. It came into force as a treaty on 3rd September 1981; thirty days after the twentieth member nation became a States party to it. CEDAW is one of the most highly ratified international human rights conventions, having the support of 185 States parties. This is one of the many benefits of the CEDAW Convention; it can stand as a treaty that has achieved a global consensus and thus reflects the normative standards applicable to women’s human rights.”

  25. Why would the US need a AA president – there are only 13% AAs in the US, but over 50% women – do I need to say more???

  26. thank you vivienne,
    I’m going to that link you gave right now.

  27. Thanks, AngelaSmith! I learn so much from all of you here.

    I’ve linked to this before, but it deserves another link:

    Sarah Palin belongs to: Feminists for Life

    She does indeed believe in care and equality for women. She believes that no woman should HAVE to choose abortion if she doesn’t want to.

    And, Susan B. Anthony is one of their inspirations.

  28. vivienne—Spain was perhaps the first nation state/empire to be ruled by a woman when Isabella took the throne of Castile in 1474. she went on to unite the two powerful kingdoms on the peninsula by marrying ferdinand of aragon and then reconquering the rest of Iberia from the moors. She began an empire that would stretch all the way around the globe.

  29. A month of so ago, I think I saw a picture of a very pregnant Chacon reviewing the troops.

  30. Yes the US is more than 50% women. The problem is we shoot ourselves in the foot. 97% of AA’s are voting for Obama and that shows me that there are alot of women out there, who don’t realize how important it is to be suppportive of other women.

  31. I have visited the FFL for life page and some of the things they say make a lot of sense.

  32. madamab — I didn’t meant my post re: Abigal Adams as a “correction” to your list (which I realized was not meant to be exhaustive), just as an addition! She is one of my fav. first ladies.

  33. Kim – I agree with you.

    Women are still sold into slavery all over the world, and even here in the U.S., yet we are supposed to step aside for Obama because AA’s were slaves in America approximately 150 years ago?

    I find it amazing that no one brings up those two facts. But then, someone would call that person a r*cist, no doubt.

  34. Kathy — I think we can all agree that Dick-less Morris doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to defining who is and isn’t a feminist.

  35. Angie – you made a great point! I just didn’t want people to think I left her out deliberately.


  36. “Today, the U.S. has the dubious distinction of being the only country in the Western Hemisphere and the only industrialized country that has not ratified this treaty”

    ooops. Sorry. I had a bad feeling when I posted about CEDAW to begin. I haven’t studied it for over ten years.
    We haven’t ratified it yet.

  37. garychapel…first female leader….what abt Cleopatra….or was she too busy with Mark Antony and Caesar?

  38. Thing is, men stick together, obviously AA’s stick together, but women still back bite, make catty remarks and hate on each other. I hope this 30% solution stops some of that, because ladies we are going to get there and that is when I want the song to be “Beautiful Day”

  39. I like & respect Palin; but Palin’s story is TRUE “BECAUSE” of people LIKE HILLARY that came BEFORE HER!

    ***”BTW- NY area Debate Watching Party at a place approx 5 mins. from Hofstra in LI/NY is…………….. ON!!
    Space still available…………media is being invited……….interested?
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  40. TheRealKim,

    very true….if women wait for male leaders to change things around for them, well good luck…women need to step up into leadership….I dont know what a hockey mom is, but hey all good with me as long as she is kicking ass!

  41. And she thanked Hillary and Geraldine for this opportunity. To me, a Republican doing that took some guts. SHe did not have to and I don’t think it was scripted

  42. I think we can all agree that Dick Morris is aptly named.

  43. And don’t forget Boudica, Queen of the Seneca.

  44. Lst night I saw a documentary on the Clinton campaign of 1991. The commentators Paul Argula, George Stephanpolis, Carville and his wife Mary Matlin, and a few other behind the scenes campaign workers. It was really fascinating, but I got the sense of where CDS may have come from. These people really put Bill Clinton on a really high pedestal. He was bound to fall, and each seems to have had the idea that Clinton was going to be a change agent and really change Washington. Of course he let them down but the Lewinsky deal seems to have hit these people hard because they held Bill up sooo high.

    As an aside, the boys in this group Carville, Stephanpolis, Paul etc keep in touch on a regular basis. No women from the campaign are included in this very boys club. I did see why the doctored video that was fixed to suggest rac**ism of some of these guys was quickly debunked by MSM. But these guys are all friends so they made sure that the fake video was exposed. If the fake video had been Hillary talking it would have been allowed to stand.

  45. Indeed, Michael57!


  46. I do work for a group against workplace bullying. Women are the major targets of bullying, with about 85% of targets being female. But women are also just as likely as men to be bullies. It’s 50-50. So unlike domestic violence, workplace bullying is perpetrated often by women on women. I find this especially sad. http://www.bullyinginstitute.org/basics.html. Of course, some people (not in the WBI group, I want to emphasize) have called Palin a bully b/c of Troopergate.

  47. THe first ruling queen that KICKED ASS in recorded history was NOT Queen Isabela or Cleopatra.

    HAPSHEPSUT the Egyptian Queen/Pharaoh who was the 5th Pharaoh of the 18th dynasty.

    From Wiki:

    Hatshepsut (or Hatchepsut, IPA: /hætˈʃɛpsʊt/),[3] meaning, Foremost of Noble Ladies,[4] was the fifth pharaoh of the eighteenth dynasty of Ancient Egypt. She is generally regarded by Egyptologists as one of the most successful pharaohs, reigning longer than any other woman of an indigenous Egyptian dynasty.

    Although contemporary records of her reign are documented in diverse ancient sources, Hatshepsut was described by early modern scholars as only having served as a co-regent from about 1479 to 1458 BC, during years seven to twenty-one of the reign previously identified as that of Thutmose III.[5] Today it is generally recognized that Hatshepsut assumed the position of pharaoh, and the length of her reign is usually given as twenty-two years, since she was assigned a reign of 21 years and 9 months by the third-century (BCE) historian Manetho, who had access to many records that are now lost. Her death is known to have occurred in 1458 BC, which implies that she became pharaoh circa 1479 BC.

  48. Anybody knows the book “Pope Joan’ by Donna Woolfolk Cross? Fiction telling the story of a woman which becomes pope disguised as a man. I am usually not into historic novels but it was given to me and is a real page turner…some scholars say that there could have actually been a female pope in the medevial ages

  49. I don’t think we need to parse “feminism” as being w/out the inclusion of any male. Whether Hillary got where she is with or without Bill does not define her feminism. Feminism, IMHO, is the advocacy of women’s rights, and with that definition Hillary stands more for women’s rights than Sarah Palin.

  50. I remember being happy for Claire McCaskill in 2006, I spent time [no money] writing/calling re Rush and all. But she’s a slime. I found myself at Gateway Pundit [yeah, we go where we have to this year] and I had forgotten there was an ACORN scandal in MO in 2006. At the time Kossacks supported ACORN as a fine upstanding org being demonized by nasty R’s.

    I now believe there were solid complaints about ACORN illegally reg/soliciting for Claire, and I think it goes a long way to explain her support of Obama and trashing of Hillary. Claire & Obama have been a team longer than we thought.

  51. Jesse Jackson on an Obama Presidency

    “He promised “fundamental changes” in US foreign policy – saying America must “heal wounds” it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the “arrogance of the Bush administration.”

    The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end. ”
    >>Yes Obama’s patriotism is clear here.

    “Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”

    For those who think an Obama Presidency will heal the wounds of rac**ism
    Will Obama’s election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.

    “No, that chapter won’t be closed,” he says. “However, Obama’s victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades.”

    >> Jackson and other AA leaders are not about to let go the golden goose of their careers.

    >> As for those pesky youth
    Today, most Americans want change, and know that only Barack can deliver what they want. Young Americans are especially determined to make sure that Obama wins.”

    >> As far as ending the war
    His most surprising position concerns Iraq. He passionately denounces the toppling of Saddam Hussein as “an illegal and unjust act.” But he’s now sure that the United States “will have to remain in Iraq for a very long time.”

    What of Obama’s promise to withdraw by 2010? Jackson believes that position will have to evolve, reflecting “realities on the ground.”

    There is more, but I think if americans could hear more from Jackson we could be sure of McCain 08. I think Jackson speaks the truth about Obama and it is why he should not be elected.

  52. It was Dems in Congress who killed health care reform and integration of gays in the military–before the mid-terms. There was significant opposition to what Clinton stood for even before the ’94 midterm election. Certainly, way before Lewinsky so that doesn’t really account for Dem related CDS. GOP CDS is just a symptom of how they operate. Any Dem pres will encounter the same.

  53. That’s not the Jesse Jackson I knew….

  54. It’s interesting that Jackson speaks of those things as reasons to vote for Obama, and I see them as reasons not to.

  55. He should have said, “No, that chapter will never be closed”.

  56. How about Queen Boadicea who led armies against the invading Romans in Ancient Britain?

    I always thought her legend helped to establish Britain’s successful Queens.

  57. Laurie – Queen Hatshepsut in Egypt predates her.

  58. “Honor killing” on US soil.

    A father kills his two daughters for ‘his honor’.

    Would saria (?) make this legal in the US?

  59. There is always a place to be had and grievance to be aired when proclaiming oneself a “victim” over and over again. Those who have made their living standing on this platform are not about to give it away. We have all been victims in one form or another but a continuation of this theme has worn out its function. Give it a rest already.

    Women, gays, the elderly face victimization every day yet we only hear from the one group who wears this label with such arrogance and demands. I seriously doubt this is what MLK had in mind when he began the trek to equality. These so called “leaders” have made this their meal ticket in many instances referring to us all as ra*cists has blurred reasoning. And Obama will not change this since he has benefited mightily from those charges.

  60. gqmartinez, I disagree that any Dem president will encounter it–any threat to the JFK was the greatest president we ever had narrative will encounter Democratic resistance. Clinton was no JFK. I remember he told a reporter that he wanted to follow in the footsteps of Lincoln. Obama has agreed to genuflect at the Kennedy altar. I never realized this before until Kennedy et al went after Hillary, but if Hillary became president, that would just say too loudly we loved Bill–even though she’s completely different from Bill, more liberal for sure. It’s the Democrats who don’t see women as separate from their husbands. I am sick of JFK. LBJ did a lot more domestic good, and he got stuck with Kennedy’s Vietnam fixation.

  61. How is it that we allow ourselves to be only as equal as men permit us to be?

  62. There is a fancy Latin term for Morris’ shitty backwards reasoning that Hillary would be nowhere without Bill, but damn if I know what it is.

    Morris, let’s try this: Bill would be another affable regional pol without the help of his political dynamo Hillary. They accomplished everything together in true partnership. This is precisely is why they scared the crap out of so many people in Washington. Hillary, an incredibly determined and intelligent woman with access to immense power, upset all their assumptions about how the Beltway works. Damn right she makes heads explode. Women are just not supposed to be that good, that talented, that smart and that powerful.

  63. It’s what Janis called “the second oh-shit moment” (where is she BTW? I miss her) in the comments of madamabs “The Oh-Shit Moment”: the first is realizing that you are overpowered by men who mean you personal or professional harm, but the second is realizing that your ( if hetero) emotional and sex drives demand a man in your life.

    A lot of women resolve this tension by a form of appeasement. I’m not a scary feminist, I won’t make demands, please love me. Approval simply means too much to them.

  64. If you take a look at the other “movers and shakers” currently serving in congress, would anyone doubt that Hillary is by far the best and the brightest? God, Pelosi, McCaskill, Dole, Marcia Blackburn, Jean Schmid, Reid, Coleman, McConnell to name a few “stars”? Give me a break!

    Just listen to them speak from the well of the Senate or the Congress and you can easily see that “intellect” is not in abundance let alone integrity. A bunch of morons looking to save their precious seats is all they amount to overall.

    With that in mind, no wonder Hillary had to be sacrificed. Having lived under 8 years of President Dumbbell why would you want to trade in for someone who just might take her oath seriously?

  65. Pat, I’ve been wondering if there isn’t an ugly underbelly to white-liberal support of Obama, a political sentiment that dare not speak its name: the desire to shut the lid on the politics of endless recrimination once and for all by saying, “Here. We gave you an African-American president. Now STFU already.” This is where I feel the true potential damage to AA political aspirations lies.

    I don’t have much evidence for this thought. I know that even the most liberal amongst my friends got exasperated with Jesse Jackson’s late-career grandstanding..and those votes for Giuliani for mayor came from someplace in that very liberal city.

  66. New post up by Dakinkat on…The Economy!!!

  67. In 2012, Sarah Palin was going to be the Republican nominee whether or not John Mccain chose her as VP. The Republican blogs have been talking about her for a year or so.

  68. “a non waxed, unattractive , chino wearer” Heyy, I resemble that remark! 🙂 We geeks in IT wear our Dockers with PRIDE!

  69. ugsome: I still have my birkenstocks and waxing hurts. Why subject ourselves to pain!? As if having kids wasn’t enough 😉

  70. Dick Morris doesn’t know much about anything. He was advising Republicans to put Liberman on their ticket which would have sent half the party running.

    Take Morris with a grain of salt – at best.

  71. Hillary has been a feminist all her life! How dare an idiot judge!
    We are a long cry from Chalice and Blade given Violet’s England piece — sadly. The events of this election?

  72. Frankly, Morris has it backwards. Bill Clinton wouldn’t be where he is today without Hillary!

    Morris has made it abundantly clear that he despises both Hillary and Bill (I suspect Hillary the most). So, it stands to reason why he would make such an assertion that Hillary needed Bill to succeed.

    Hillary earned her seat in the Senate. I was living in NYC at the time she ran the first time and she travelled throughout the state on one of her famous “listening tours” and wowed the New Yorkers with her extensive knowledge of the issues that New Yorkers were most interested and concerned about.

    She won on her own merits and because she’s a woman, just like Palin, her accomplishments are diminished and viewed as insiginficant.

    Amazing how these misognynist have no conscience or shame because obama is the least qualified candidate to run for president ever, even less qualified than GW, and he has not been diminished in the same way Hillary and Palin have been.

    It deserves repeating — Bill Clinton would never have been president if it weren’t for Hillary.

  73. Pat Johnson, on October 14th, 2008 at 11:05 am Said:
    madamab: Another thought provoker once again!
    Agrarian societies of 10,000 years ago were not dominated by mistaken religious beliefs. Women assumed the role of full partners. It is when religion entered the realm of thought and pushed the “feminine” into a subservient position. Again, I will admit to being rather simplistic in my discourse, but much of the blame for sexism can be laid at the feet of religious doctrine, practiced by most of the recognized religions of the world.
    The separation of church and state must be upheld. The idea of barefoot and pregnant continues to lurk beneath. Good on Hillary and Sarah for their accomplishments. And Hillary was fully capable of doing this on her own!

    Amen and a hallelujah chorus! 🙂

  74. This post is fabulous, madamab. The lesson of this election year has little to do with the actual results on November 4: it has to do with the recognition that until feminists – male and female – unite without distraction no woman will a major party nominee for the presidency; and we will not have even 30% of women in political office. Furthermore, people have to realize that feminism is part of a larger humanistic worldview. That view includes a commitment to fighting hateful bigotry in all its forms, including racism, but it does not include meek acceptance of the cynical use of racial issues to undermine other people’s dignity.

  75. Ugh, Dick Morris.

    Hasn’t anyone seen the Hillary interview on Fox? I just saw an AP story about it. Hillary says that her chances of being a Senate Majority Leader are 0. She’s not interested in being a Supreme Court Justice. And she put her chances of running for President again near 0.

  76. DYB – Actually, she says “close to 0” for Senate Majority Leader and President. That’s not a no at this point. She’s playing it smart. If she said that she was going to run in 2012, how would the ObamaNation react?

    Please don’t overreact to this. It’s nothing new.


  77. As far as Hillary being where she is because of Bill….almost ALL men are where they are in their careers because of other men. (either men pushing for other men or being mentors)

  78. Actually she says, “probably close to 0.” As someone said this morning, “You can drive a truck through that loophole.”

  79. cbn: almost all men are where they are because somebody else was doing the laundry, picking up the kids and cleaning up after everything, calling the plumber, etc… allowing them to focus all energy and mindshare on accomplishing goals. Hillary gave up her own aspirations to support Bill. If that also ended up helping her, it was a good sacrifice in the past to support her goals in the future.

  80. Yes, jjmtacoma well said.

  81. […] supremely anti-feminist, a way of essentializing an individual based on her gender. Contrary to riverdaughter’s understanding of the issue, there’s no feminism in lifting up a woman who will only push down other women, and […]

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