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Rep. John Lewis: Then and Now

From Sugar and Spice, Sugar’s comments on John Lewis’s recent race-baiting remarks directed at the McCain campaign:

I’m pretty much at a loss for words regarding the news that Georgia Congressman, and civil rights icon John Lewis said this about John McCain:

“What I am seeing reminds me of too much of another destructive period in American history,” Lewis said in a statement released to FOX News. “Senator McCain and Governor Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

“George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights,” Lewis added. “Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.”

I’m so sad about this. So very sad. Some months ago, I wrote about how the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was being pimped for Obama’s sake and now this. Lewis lived through the George Wallace era. He knows what that was like and he knows damn well that the issues of today where race relations are concerned can not compare to the hell minorities were living in back then. Why in God’s name would he say something so absolutely ridiculous?

I’m just. I’m flabbergasted by all of this, and my decision to not utter “yeah Congressman Lewis!” after hearing this news makes me a sellout? No, that makes me sane. I haven’t heard McCain or Palin once urge anybody to not vote. The idiocy of this all is just shocking and forgive me the disrespect, but John Lewis is a fool for pimping himself out like this after the way the Obama goons railroaded him into switching his support from Hillary to Obama.

Video of Rep. John Lewis on the PBS News Hour, January 14, 2008.

Video of Rep. John Lewis after he was pressured into switching his support to Obama after he was threatened with losing his seat in the House.

Video of Rep. John Lewis comparing John McCain with George Wallace

Unbelievable. Funny, I don’t remember this kind of media outrage when Barack Obama gave Hillary Clinton the finger. Or when Obama supporters yelled, “iron my shirt!” Or any of the too numerous to count episodes of misogyny that took place during the primaries. I don’t see the slightest effort to point out the sexism against Sarah Palin either. Yes people are angry, and unfortunately they are going to get angrier if the press insists on forcing their chosen candidate down our throats. It has gotten so heavy handed at this point that I dread what will happen when the votes are counted–regardless of which candidate wins, it looks like it could be very ugly.

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  1. I’m beyond angry. The Democratic Party wrings its hands and moans over race while young hipsters parade down the street in shirts proclaiming SARAH PALIN IS A CUNT and people draw cartoons depicting their fantasies of punch Sarah.

    I am so shaking with rage at that shirt. In the unlikely event that I ever see someone wearing one I may haul off and belt him. Or worse, her.

    Look, I don’t want to vote Republican. I really, really, really, don’t. But keep this shit up and a vote for the GOP becomes a simple act of self-defense. It’s become about my ability to continue my life a woman, a human being and a citizen of this nation.

  2. I posted this in the thread below, but the content is far more appropriate here:

    While Obama’s media and political enablers talk ominously about the violence that supposedly might be incited by the rhetoric of McCain/Palin, and Obama supporters like John Lewis cite violence inspired by George Wallace as an analogue, why don’t they recognize the at least equally real possibility of violence motivated by the appeals of the Obama side?

    Apparently, some have already talked darkly of the possibility of riots in the streets if Obama should lose — rather, I gather, as if such an event would be “understandable” if it were to occur. How can Obama enablers not recognize that this possibility is every bit as real, if not more so, than the possibility of violence by the extreme right wing?

    In fact, of course, even as of 1992 in LA, there was a riot in the streets, and evidently 53 people were killed. This is recent history, not the by now rather distant history of George Wallace and desegregation.

    Really, if McCain/Palin are playing with fire, why not the Obama side? When they themselves foment rage over how Obama is being treated — and compare McCain and Palin to George Wallace, and talk as though they are somehow encouraging assassination — why are they not themselves setting the groundwork for racial resentments leading to riots in the streets should Obama lose? If we are to look at recent history, why not believe that violence from the Obama side and inspired by the Obama side is not equally, or more likely?

  3. Just wanted to say HI. I found your blog a few days ago on Technorati and have been reading it over the past few days.

  4. Did you guys watch the CNN video? It’s the third one down. I just can’t believe the sanctimoniousness of these people. Do they not understand how one-sided they are? Why wouldn’t people be angry when they have marginalized and their lives and their beliefs minimized constantly in the media for more than a year? It’s beyond belief.

  5. ugsome,

    I share your anger. I don’t want to see any woman treated this way, regardless of her political ideology. I couldn’t believe the jeering crowd scene posted at No Quarter either.

  6. I also posted this on another thread but it bears repeating here: go to NQ & read the “Obama Campaign, Role Models, Patterned Violence” it links to stories of: 1. 2 Obots throwing a moltov cocktail at a McCain sign in a residential yard; 2. Obots vandalizing a McCain campaign HQ in SC with words that Republican means slavery; 3. Madonna telling her fans to “kick Sarah Palin’s ass’ 4. A “cartoon” of Palin getting her face punched in; 5. Obots proudly wearing the Palin is a c#nt & Puckf#cker” t-shirts. Meanwhile the msm is all up in arms about what McCain supporters *might* do — while ignoring what the Obots ARE doing.
    Disgusting.
    Oh, and ugsome — I ordered a Palin “We Can Do It” bumper sticker today (it is the famous WW2 photo of Rosie the Riveter flexing her bicep, with Palin’s face on it). I’m voting in self-defense this year.

  7. Bill and Hillary were called racists. You don’t get lower than that. Democrats have fought for equal rights since LBJ claimed he was “free at last”. The Democratic party ate its own. They wanted Barack Obama. I will never understand it. I think a Hillary/Obama ticket would have been a winner. And Hillary did win.

    It’s only going to get worse.

  8. Wow. Thanks for posting these videos, BB. I’m heartsick over it.

    Also, I just finished watching a video of a McCain march through the Upper West Side and it was astonishing how abusively they were treated. It was really horrific.

  9. Obama is likely to win. Any Democrat was likely to win; and the economic crisis has made it so much easier. But they just can’t take the high road, these Obama people. They have to play the race angle every step of the way. Bill Clinton was a racist, Hillary is a racist, Gerry Ferraro is a racist. The voters in New Hampshire were racists; so were those in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Now it’s McCain and Palin who are called racists–or at least racist enablers. They are fanning the flames of racism, suggests Lewis. Now I personally have not seen any racism directed against Obama in this entire campaign. All the racism I have seen has come from his side, and it has been incessant and deliberate.

    To accuse John McCain of being akin to George Wallace, is just obscene. People who have been trigger-quick to react to every verbal nuance, every word, looking for racism everywhere–they seem quite content to make the most vile aspersions against our most respected political figures. They can beat McCain just on the economy, but they want to destroy his reputation for all time. And no one calls them on it. No one in the Democratic Party, certainly. This is so much like the Communist witchhunts of the ’50’s, or even like the branding of heretics during the Inquisition. Everyone is so afraid that they are next to be called racists, that they will not stand up against the race-baiting. The damage that has been and will be done to our culture as this continues, is incalculable.

  10. One other point.

    I think that Bill Schneider’s comments in the video above were probably on point in one respect: one thing fueling the anger of some McCain supporters now is that McCain had been falling behind in the polls. That kind of frustration certainly can lead to an outpouring of anger.

    But suppose McCain comes from behind and beats Obama in the election. Does anybody imagine that there won’t be every bit as much frustration and anger from the Obama side? How confident can anyone feel that there won’t indeed be riots in the streets if that were to happen? Should that happen, shouldn’t the fomenting of racial resentments by the Obama side be held to be a major factor in bringing that event about?

  11. wonder if America is ready for a black president, or will it show the true racial legacy of the icemans inheritance

  12. ugsome — I also share your disgust. My mom told me during the primary when all that hatred was being spewed at Hillary that it proved to her that “in America women have equal rights as long as they stay in the kitchen baking cookies, not if they want to be President.” It really opened my eyes — here I thought the “feminist issues” were over with — ha! IMO, the only way to make sure nothing like this is ever acceptable again (and face it, selling Hillary “nutcrackers” and wearing “Sarah Palin is a C#nt” t-shirts are perfectly acceptable to the Obots, the DNC & the msm because I’m not hearing any outrage about them) is to Vote for the Woman! It’s important!

  13. Yes, but he also stated that some of the people in the crowds are racists. He has no way of knowing that, and he shouldn’t be saying it. He is supposed to be a journalist. I never heard anyone call people who booed Hillary at Obama events “sexists.” I never hear the horrible things said about her called “hate speech.” These people just have no room to be judging other people at all.

  14. Katie,

    I watched that video over at No Quarter. I was stunned.

  15. Riots in the street? Didn’t someone say (Brazille?) there would be blood in the streets of Denver if Obama wasn’t the nominee?

    I, myself, am ready for blood. Let it flow.

  16. katiebird, where are you from? Anyone who has been to the Upper West Side should not be surprised. The people there are arugula liberals who are the base of Obama’s support. They are wealthy intellectuals who look down on others and believe all of the stereotypes in the media and from the Obama campaign about bitter, small town hicks who don’t know any better but to vote Republican. They are liberal on an intellectual level – they are for civil liberties – but they often talk down to people who aren’t on their educational or income level. They are no better than the anti-abortion protesters who boo and hiss at the women walking in to abortion clinics. I do not agree with conservatives but I would never treat anyone like that.

  17. rawdawqbuffalo — I don’t know who you are, but I suggest you take a hike — the fact that Obama is not acceptable has nothing to do with the color of his skin but with the content of his character. Go r@ce bait somewhere else. I suggest kos.

  18. rawdog,

    I don’t know what you are talking about and I’m not going to your site. I think America is ready for a black president. It would be nice if he were qualified and not a crook, but he’s leading in the polls by quite a bit. So stop whining and work for your candidate.

  19. Jmac — I’m sure Brazile said it, Jesse Jackson Jr. said it to — he said that if BO got the popular vote but not the lead in the delegates & the SDs didn’t give him the nomination there would be blood in the streets of Denver. Funny how nobody was mentioning that when Hillary had the popular vote.

  20. DV,

    I live in liberal territory. You can’t get much more liberal than where I live. I’m not sure Bostonians would behave like that. I could be wrong. But what I saw in that video was classless behavior.

  21. Good night all. See you tomorrow.

  22. good night bb!
    and good night to everyone from me too — no late night for me — work tomorrow.

  23. angienc, I have often said that in America you can have all the freedom you want, so long as you don’t use any of it. Apparently the same is true of equality.

  24. bostonboomer, I would expect similar behavior in Boston, especially in Cambridge where Harvard is located. The Upper West Side is also home to Columbia University. Not a surprise that Obama attended both. I guess since they can stereotype small town USA, I’ll stereotype the people you’ll find at both of these places: young, rich, and arrogant. This is Obama country. If anyone different from them walks on their turf, expect this type of response. I guess it would be as dramatic for them as a gay pride parade walking through the streets of a red state like Mississippi or South Dakota. But you’d think educated, “well-informed” liberals would be a little bit more tolerant.

  25. I find it curious that Obama is running prime time tv ads in the Los Angeles market.

    You’d think that would be a big waste of money unless the CA polling is not quite as optimistic as you’d think.

  26. And another point.

    While I’m not sure that there really ever has been a clear case of the so-called Bradley effect, I believe that if there ever is going to be such a case, it would be in this election.

    No campaign, that I know of, has so eagerly cast all those who oppose them as racists as has the Obama side. The very real shunning that many have received at the hands of Obama supporters when they mention any criticism or doubt about Obama has, I’m sure, driven a lot of opposition to Obama deeply underground. It may well be that some of that hiding of one’s true beliefs crops up even in a telephone poll (e.g., hiding one’s beliefs even from one’s spouse or family, if not from the pollster him-or her-self).

    If there’s no Bradley effect in this election, I will be pretty much convinced it will never really occur. But I would certainly not be surprised if it did, at least in some measure.

    It is of course one of the unintended effects of branding opponents racists that one may well not be able to measure accurately the level of one’s opposition.

  27. OldCoastie, I guess Obama has the money to air prime time tv ads in every state. I can’t believe for a second that CA is a battleground state. Obama is simply wasting money because he has enough to waste at this point. Or maybe it is to ensure he gets the Hispanic vote.

  28. The patterned violence started way back in the primaries. From the clip of The Audacity of Democracy, the Obama organizers did exactly the same thing — urged his supporters to harass voters, fake votes, steal official documents and generally disrupt and cheat in the primaries — all by claiming that Clinton would do all those things, thus they were justified.

    It’s funny, isn’t it, how the Obots were ALL over Palin for not knowing that the ‘Bush Doctrine’ meant preemptive war and not distancing herself from that doctrine. Because the Obama Doctrine seems to be exactly preemptive violence (war) based on what they, in their delusions, think the other side might do.

    I’m so sick of this. When can we have the grownup back?

  29. Oops — I seem to have had my last comment placed in moderation because I used the R word.

    Hope someone can release it from limbo!

  30. Bostonboomer:

    IIRC, the last r@cially motivated riots in the US that involved white people rioting took place in Boston around 1976-77.

    Them yankee types got upset when their schools were integrated via busing.

  31. myiq2xu, thanks for pointing that out. That completely slipped my mind.

  32. Tonight is the premiere of VH-1’s “Rock of Love Charm School.”

    Apparently they found a bunch of women that needed remedial training before they could be groupies.

    The students are they type that come from the bad side of the trailer park.

  33. Let’s see, myiq is a fellow writer here– I have a question about blogging etiquette. I’m about to fall asleep here but I just finished another poem. It’s satire suitable for late nite, nothing like my last one. I don’t want to pre-empt this thread, so what would be a decent interval before I post (or fall asleep as may be?)

  34. Generally we try to wait a couple hours between threads. Some days there are only 3-4 threads posted, some days more.

    RD ususally posts a thread in the morning around 8-9 am EST, and in the evening around 8 pm.

    Other than that there is no schedule or assigned posting times.

    If a thread is pretty active and on topic I would wait. If it is inactive or the discussion is completely OT, that’s different.

    Last night I put up an open thread because the previous thread kept crashing my browser. Not only that, it allowed me to moderate comments. Most of the regular moderators live back east and go to bed not long after us California types eat dinner.

  35. This is great news: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/12/gallup-mccain-shaves-4-points-off-of-the-one%E2%80%99s-lead-in-three-days/
    If McCain can shave 4 points off in 3 days, the election is not over. Hopefully more people will calm down over the economy and McCain can offer some solutions of his own while continuing to attack Obama on Ayers and Wright. McCain better buck up and ignore the whines of r@cism from the Obama camp. Hillary learned too late that negative campaigning works because Obama will r@ce bait regardless.

  36. myiq — oh good you are here (of course, I’m not asleep yet)– just to let you know masslib posted a blog on Alegre’s corner about how mean we were here to her for no reason and she specifically cited your comment about her “harshing your mellow. I could smell the kool aid on her breath” and Pol C accused you of plagarizing his posts. There is a discussion about it 2 threads ago. Anyway, just so you know — I’ll kick both of their a$$es if they show their faces here to defend your honor.

  37. DV — it is even better than that — among likely voters, BO’s lead is only 4 — factor in BO’s overpolling & that gallop is getting 80% hangs ups (as opposed to the usual 50%) this year, and I say it is looking real good. Tight, but good — of course, that also means it could be close enough to steal — this time by the Dems.

  38. I heard from someone who used to run Hillary’s campaign in one state but who now works for McCain that 32% of the people polled have a minimum of 4 year college degrees and 1 in 5 have a doctorate, lol. Yea, this really represents most of America. We need to continue to win over working class voters. The polls are oversampling AAs and people with advanced degrees.

  39. Exactly DV — the polls are also oversampling Dems in general. A poll in VA (which is 39% Repub.; 30% D & the rest I) polled 45% D, 30% R & the rest I — that isn’t polling, that is a con job.

  40. Ok, good night for real this time.
    sweet dreams myiq!

  41. Who is Pol C and where does he/she blog?

  42. it’s easier to claim the election was stolen if the pre election polls are fixed. thanks for bein in the tank, MSM

    must be a tank of koolaid

  43. The C-word shirts betray the deepest of cynicism.

    James Carville, Donna Brazile and others have intimated that an Obama loss could lead to dire consequences. They are trying to say in euphemistic language that if you don’t vote Obama, African-Americans will riot. This is insanely irresponsible and slanders entire populations. It feeds into the ugliest stereotypes of AAs as violent barbarians and it attempts to remove agency from all voters. It delegitimizes the idea that a voter may reach an individual decision on candidates.

    Have you noticed that no one says the same of women? Indeed they are absolutely counting on the docillity of women to win this election. I think the rage against Palin is partially motivated by the fact that the GOP called the Dems’ bluff in a big way–they launched an appeal to identity voting to women, and Dems are shitting their pants over the thought. That completely goes against their plans.

  44. Could loudmouths be obama plants? Anyone actually ID them?
    :cringes at thought of IDing a screamer — a right, except if threats

  45. Joseph Cannon himself just posted on the previous thread. For those of us who had questions earlier in the day about Cannon and his new findings on the whitey tape:

    Joseph Cannon, on October 13th, 2008 at 1:15 am Said:

    To those asking who I am: I’ve been blogging for more than four years now, and that work provides as much autobiographical detail as you could possibly desire.

    Do I believe that the “whitey” tape exists? Honest, I go back and forth on this. Call me a believer from the hour to the half-hour mark, and a disbeliever from the half-hour to the hour.

    For obvious reasons, I will bow to Larry Johnson’s vastly superior knowledge of the CIA. I’ve read a bunch of books, but he got to know the organization on a level that I never wanted to experience.

    I’ll explain how I learned what I learned one of these days. Let’s just say that if you write a blog long enough, little birdies start telling you things. Right now, I’m trying to smoke out the folks responsible for originating the story.

    I don’t hate Larry Johnson. But I got really pissed off at the No Quarter gang during that whole dust-up over the COLB. Their attitude seemed to be “It doesn’t matter whether the story’s true, as long as it hurts Obama.” (No, they did not use those actual words, but that was the vibe I got.)

  46. myiq2xu, on October 13th, 2008 at 1:19 am Said:

    Who is Pol C and where does he/she blog?
    ……………………

    I think at TalkLeft, but I don’t know them…just a guess.

  47. I have been so amazed at the level and number of people falling in line for Obama, including the Clintons vigorous campaigning, that I have wondered whether there is more behind it than promises (carrots) – something more sinister (sticks – big sticks, threats). We do know that some Dems have been threatened with losing their seats by having a lot of money thrown to opponents in the primary. I don’t like to sound so sort of conspiracy minded, but it has struck me that there is something that smells bad going on. And that is the same feeling I had as the primary developed – and it turned out to be the case. I guess I am just saying that maybe some of these people are scared. It does take a lot of courage to stand up to the machine, especially for an AA (although we have seen there are those that do!).

  48. you know i rarely post any more because i am mad beyond words. I think the news media needs to be real careful.

  49. Fran, on October 13th, 2008 at 1:29 am Said:

    joe lieberman – now an independent because the DNC supported his opponent in the primaries

  50. I am from Chicago, I read about Ayers and Dohrn as a child (hey, I was precocious. I stuffed envelopes for McGovern when I was 9). I’ve seen Ayers and Dohrn speak at a panel discussion. I lived in Hyde Park and probably stood in line behind Ayers at the grocery store and didn’t know it. And boy have I got an opinion about Ayers.

    I think Ayers is the biggest fucking hypocrite walking the face of the earth.
    Bill Ayers, Weatherman, is the son of Tom Ayers, the CEO of Commonwealth Edison, the forerunner of the electrical utilility company of Illinois, Exelon, a major donor to Obama.

    There is one reason, and one reason only, why Mumia Abu-Jama and Leonard Peltier rot in jail while Ayers enjoys a life of freedom and respectability: a lily-white daddy of influence and money. In his ability to pursue a life of bourgeois accomplishment despite his youthful indiscretion, Ayers is much more akin to George W. Bush to Mumia Abu-Jamal.

  51. Frankly0: why don’t they recognize the at least equally real possibility of violence motivated by the appeals of the Obama side?

    Here’s an incident which happened just this weekend within a mile of where I live:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/two_men_arrested_in_mccain_sig.html

    During this whole campaign I’ve hardly ever seen any Hillary or McCain bumper stickers or lawn signs here in Portland (Obama signs abound). I don’t think it’s that there are no dissenters. I think it’s because they know what might happen.

  52. ugsome, I keep saying that the media would report on misogyny at Obama rallies, except they’re too busy high fiving the guys and asking where they can get Palin is a c—- shirts to remember to write it down.

  53. Fran, I have no doubt that there are many Democrats including the Clintons working for Obama at gun point. Many politicians – especially African American politicians supporting Clinton – were threatened that they would lose their seats if they continued to support her. That is why you saw so many of her delegates move to support Obama for no good reason.

    Obama never fully paid off Clinton’s debts. This is to ensure that she remains and indentured servant for the rest of the election. Before Clinton even suspended her campaign, politicians and media whores were on the news stating that her career was over if she did not work her ass off for Obama.

    That is why I’m telling folks here to chill out when it comes to getting angry at Clinton for supporting Obama. Do you think she has a choice? If I was a Democrat, I’d be scared as hell right now and probably do whatever the Chosen One told me to do as well. Obama has the DNC leadership on his side. These folks are like the f-ing mafia. Trust that the future careers of many politicians have been threatened this year to ensure that Obama got enough superdelegates on his side during the sham roll call vote.

  54. Hi–just catching up–this is so repugnant. I’m going to start emailing the cable news people daily and tell them our side of this. I know, I know–it won’t do any good-but, just in case. When the ball drops and McCain wins and they all start to scream racism-the gist of the above comments needs to have at least been said. I guess that is about all we can do-I know the deck is stacked against us, but-one last time, let’s all do it. I think in addition to the msm wanting Obie that they get emailed to death by the bots and so think that is the prevailing thought out there.

  55. kc, the only network who would be willing to air these videos is FOX. I know, who knew FOX would be the network we turn to to report the truth? Other than FOX, you can email Drudge to see if he can put one of these posts on the front page or the Washington Times which is a conservative newspaper if you have any news they might be willing to post on their website. Good luck.

  56. thanks Disenfranchised–can’t hurt to try. ‘Once more into the breach rode the six hundred.’ Beats playing spider solitaire and free cell, which is what I’ve been doing to drown my sorrows.

  57. Oh man, I went over to Alegre’s to try and find masslib’s post, and there’s a front pager up that says something about how if Ayres is a terrorist, so is Jane Fonda and everyone else who protested the war.

    Yes, because in the 60’s, the most popular activities were making bombs, killing people with bombs, severely injuring people with bombs, and terrorizing people in their homes. Everybody was doing it!

  58. btw, I also am gonna link some of the posts–I think the sum total of what the msm reads is Huffpo and Kos and thinks the world ends there. It would be such a flat world without this blog, wouldn’t it?

  59. Seriously–whoever posted that is crazy. that’s a false analogy. There is a difference between protesting and advocating / embracing violence.

  60. night you bitter holds outs from turning in. Sleep well

  61. Seriously, we were discussing AC and masslib in the previous thread. I’m glad we discussed it because I needed to rant but now I’m okay with them saying whatever they want over there. I went there for the last time about 3 hours ago. I don’t plan to visit again so I’ll take your word that AC and masslib is becoming more pro-Obama by the minute. Thanks.

    Also, no one should excuse Ayers for what he did. People like him only make liberals look bad. Most of America hates the image of lazy hippies and militant activists of the 60s. Though they do not represent most of the people fighting for civil rights at the time nor should it represent liberals today, the conservatives continue to use those images to their advantage. It’s just like the image of an overweight, dirty Michael Moore that conservatives love to use as representative of everything liberal stand for.

    Folks like masslib and Jeralyn do not help our cause by defending these people.

  62. I know, kc. The logic goes I guess that oftentimes Republicans like to swiftboat and pretend like anyone who is against any war is a terrorist.

    Therefore, when someone actually IS a terrorist, he is no different from a mere protestor!

    Except for, you know, the violence, explosives, maimings, and killings.

  63. I don’t know if y’all saw it since it was a small blurb on Politico, but none other than Tweety Matthews bummed a ride on BZero’s bus through PA yesterday and stopped just short of frenching just about every politican he saw.

    If he wants to run for Senate, great. If he wants to be a talking head, great. If he wants to cover BZero, great. But, to be paid his millions, kowtow to BZero, and denigrate McCain and anyone else who dares question BZero, it is consummate whoring.

  64. Just to clarify, it wasn’t masslib who made the comparison.

  65. I just came from Allegre’s where I expressed my feelings.

  66. MyIq, care to share the abbreviated version?

  67. Since drinking the kool-ade, Tweetie has said a lot of things that won’t fly in PA. It’s hard to go back to your man of the people schtick after travelling so far on the Arugala Express.

  68. It is my inclination to squelch blogfeuds rather than escalate them.

    The people at Alegre’s and Corrente are not our enemies. They are our friends and allies.

    The fact that we don’t currently see eye-to-eye does not change the fact that we are all on the same side.

  69. MyIq, good for you — I think that is admirable and should be commended. I was just hoping for something pithy for a good laugh.

  70. Most of my comments were directed at the person who accused me of plagiarism.

    I explained that since I had never read what they wrote, I could hardly have stolen their ideas.

    I also requested that in the future they make such allegatios to my face.

    As for Masslib, I just stated that there is more to the story than has been posted over there.

  71. myiq2xu, thanks for taking a mature approach on all of this after they called you an asshole and immature and accused you of plagiarism. I don’t consider them to be my enemies but I wouldn’t call them my friends either. What you said did not call for an entire blog post at AC just so that masslib could feel better about herself by having her friends attack you. But I’m glad you set the record straight so we can move on.

  72. Tweetie is an idiot-let’s just call it like it is. I would love for him to run for office and have some idiot pundit crucify him-what sweet revenge that would be.

    Now, really good night.

  73. good night kc

  74. Prolix:

    When someone I did not intend to offend gets upset about my sense of humor I figure it’s best to turn off the snark for a little while, at least in regards to them.

  75. This is so disappointing to hear of Lewis’ recent irresponsible comments. Seems he is drinking some mind altering Kool-aid. I’ve lost all respect for the man.

  76. MyIq, not to make this about you, but I will — your sense of humor is so outrageously over the top, anyone with a whit of a sense of humor can’t really get too peeved about it. I do appreciate the way you handle these little “flame ups.”

  77. Comparing the current GOP to the Nazis or southern racists of the 50-60’s is not only completely wrong factually and historically, it is offensive and despicable

  78. Shit! I put myself in moderation. Let me try again:

    Comparing the current GOP to the Nazis or southern r@cists of the 50-60’s is not only completely wrong factually and historically, it is offensive and despicable

  79. Somebody actually posted a comment at Klownhaus criticizing my deprogramming post.

    They said it was offensive and accused me of inciting/suggesting violence.

  80. Ironically, Barack Obama, not John McCain, is the one who actually emulates Geo. Wallace politically, morally, and in ambitious motivation.

    By that statement, I refer to the fact that both Barack Obama and Geo. Wallace became chameleons, changing everything they supposedly originally stood for in order to be elected.

    Each reinvented, or in Obama’s case invented then reinvented, themselves to appeal to the most base, vituperative, hypocritical, and uncivil elements of the elctorate in order to win at any cost.

    Obama has done such in this election, Geo, Wallace did the same thing in his ’62 election, becoming the Geo. Wallace that is remembered with disgust today.

    However, in his ’58 campaign for Gov., Wallace was the complete opposite of his historical image.

    Apparently, very few realize that in ’58 Wallace was endorsed by the NAACP, the MIA, and labor unions. He was offered the endorsement of the KKK and refused it.

    John Patterson, his opponent, took the Klan endorsement, used racism at every turn, and defeated Wallace. Wallace was deeply embittered, did a complete 180 turn, and vowed never to lose again.

    In ’62 he took the Klan endorsement, adopted racist tactics, turned his back on his previous supporters, and as the saying goes, “the rest his history”.

    In Barack Obama, his backers, and supporters, I see the same bloodlust for power, the same willingness to do anything, or become anything deemed necessary to win, and the same unbridled hypocrisy and hate mongering that I saw with Wallace.

    Based on my personal observations of both Wallace and Obama, it is rather apparent that in all of the aforementioned aspects, Obama is merely Wallace with a reverse twist.

  81. I catch myself editing my comments because so many people seem to in a constant state of dyspepsia. What happened to all the happy folks?

  82. Prolix:

    It’s been a long, stressful year, but for good or ill it’s almost over.

  83. I hope this year isn’t a harbinger of the year to come, if so, Capt. Spaulding will have to invest in new cutlery.

  84. “George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights”

    This is the part that gets me. Has anyone been attacked because of anything McCain’s said? He’s creating a climate of hate where acts of violence have been encouraged? There’s a Comstitutional right to vote, to be treated equally–there’s no Constitutional mandate for anyone to vote for one candidate over another. Asking people to vote for Mccain over Obama isn’t bombing a church or burning down the Reichstag.

    Lewis is an American hero, but he ought to know better. And this comparison is as inflammatory as hell. Considering what happened to HRC over merely mentioning RFK, bringing up someone else who was shot in such an inflammatory way? Not appropriate at all.

  85. I must say I am disappointed in the GOP this year.

    I was hoping they would match Obama for slime and sleaze in the mother of all dirty campaigns.

    Instead, they picked this year to start acting like they have principles.

    McCain is running the cleanest GOP campaign I recall seeing since maybe Gerald Ford.

    It is revealing that the Obama supporters need a decoder ring to show how the stuff the GOP says is really r@cist.

  86. With all due respect, may i ask how long one’s comments usually remain in moderation?

    And.. how does one get their comment out of moderation and into the discussion?

  87. (Just to clarify, I mean that it’s inflammatory to compare McCain to Wallace, especially since Wallace was almost assassinated, not that Lewis’ comments about Wallace are themselves inflammatory)

  88. myiq2xu, I’m disappointed in the GOP too. The one f*#king year I want them to win and they chicken out. I think McCain is too worried about being called a r@cist. Wake up, McCain! Hillary and Bill Clinton, the least r@cist white people in all of America, were called r@cists by Obama and his minions! Don’t you get it? You’ll be called a r@cist whether you’re a r@cist or not. McCain needs to grow a pair and starting hitting back hard because by the end of this election, he’ll be known as a r@cist whether he wins or he loses.

  89. Just a Thought, you might have to post again because I don’t know if anyone who can get you out of moderation is awake. You can spell out the word r@cist or you’ll be placed into moderation.

  90. Just a Thought, it’s 3:28 on the East Coast. Comments at this hour will tend to stay in moderation for a long time because all the moderators are in bed.

  91. Thank you very much, DV. I will try that.

  92. I watched the video over at NQ of McCain supporters walking through Manhattan. Unbelieveable! I was stunned. That video really does need to get out to the public in some way.

    O’s supporters are a reflection of the man himself. I wonder if he realizes just how ugly he is.

  93. Where is the crowd yelling what they say it’s yelling? All the “kill Obama” stuff? I don’t hear it.

    It’s “hard to hear”? Yeah, that’s because it’s not there. If it was there, they would have got it on tape.

    I bet if they trace down the people yelling–and you can’t tell really WHAT they’re yelling–you will find they are Obots and trolls.

    Think about it. Who acts like that on the internet? McCain people? Nope. You’ve dealt with people like that. I’ve dealt with them too. They are the people who put nails in the driveways of people with McCain signs in their front yards. They are the people who have been told by The One to “get in their faces.”

    Those are Obot plants, the same as the plants that were following Hillary around. How do you think the MSM knew to pick up that story line????? Why do you think they don’t show any closeups or interview the people yelling?

    They already KNOW who it is and who sent them, and that the story will not bear closer scrutiny.

  94. Why do they not show a tape of Lewis speaking?????
    Did he REALLY say that?

    Why don’t they show a tape?
    Somebody got to him somehow.

  95. Ironically, Barack Obama, not John McCain, is the one who actually emulates Geo. Wallace politically, morally, and in sheer ego-driven ambition.

    By that statement, I refer to the fact that both Barack Obama and Geo. Wallace became chameleons, changing everything they supposedly originally stood for in order to be elected.

    Each reinvented, or in Obama’s case invented then reinvented, themselves to appeal to the most base, vituperative, hypocritical, and uncivil elements of the elctorate in order to win at any cost.

    Obama has done such in this election, Geo, Wallace did the same thing in his ‘62 election, becoming the Geo. Wallace that is remembered with disgust today.

    However, in his ‘58 campaign for Gov., Wallace was the complete opposite of his historical image.

    Apparently, very few realize that in ‘58 Wallace was endorsed by the NAACP, the MIA, and labor unions. He was offered the endorsement of the KKK and refused it.

    John Patterson, his opponent, took the Klan endorsement, used r@cism at every turn, and defeated Wallace. Wallace was deeply embittered, did a complete 180 turn, and vowed never to lose again.

    In ‘62 he took the Klan endorsement, adopted r@cist tactics, turned his back on his previous supporters, and as the saying goes, “the rest his history”.

    In Barack Obama, his backers, and supporters, I see the same bloodlust for power, the same willingness to do anything, or become anything deemed necessary to win, and the same unbridled hypocrisy and hate mongering that I saw with Wallace.

    Based on my personal observations of both Wallace and Obama, it is rather apparent that in all of the aforementioned aspects, Obama is merely Wallace with a reverse twist.

  96. Remember when Tavis Smiley’s family got all those threats when Hillary showed up at the black conference and Obama didn’t?
    Tavis said Obama should have showed up and his family all of a sudden got threats.

  97. Thanks again DV.

  98. Of course he does, he’s a Chicago pol.

    Someone made a good point the other day, that all capaigns have overzealous/thuggish supporters, but they spend a lot of time letting them know that that unacceptable behavior won’t be tolerated.

    Obama, OTOH, turns a blind eye, when he’s not encouraging it or joining in. He’s completely responsible for the climate he and Axlerod have created here.

  99. New thread!

  100. What Obama is doing once again is projecting.

    We have seen it over and over in this campaign.

    He does something underhanded and then claims the other side is the one doing it. (Like when he said Hillary was having secret talks with Canada and then the Canadians leaked the information it wasreally Obama.) All you have to do is watch what his minions say about the other side and you will know his own strategy.

    I think the DMSIIIR (or is it the IV?) calls this “passive-aggressive”. It’s very hard to combat on a psyche unit becasue the person is clever enough to pit one staff member against the other. The only way to fight it is when all the staff members have been victimized in turn and they all get it. Then they have a big staff meeting and put together a treatment plan.

    I can tell you one thing, if you go walking around all dpressed-like, peole are going to think you don’t have the courage of your convictions. Which is stronger, your convictions or audacity, change, and hope?

  101. That’s what annoys me so much about him, the projection. If he were like, hey look, I’m a down and dirty sleaze, I’ll do anything to win, and I don’t care if I tear this party apart, it wouldn’t be nearly as annoying as when he pretends to be Mr. New Politics bringing hope and light and accuses everybody else of his misdeeds.

  102. Out of consideration for his past heroism, I’ll call John Lewis an old buffoon rather than something closer to what he deserves to be called. The hate mongers and vote stealers– then and now– were in the Democratic party.

    Speaking of stealing, I have a new thread up, although it need not preempt this one.

  103. bb – actually what those (white male) Obama supporters yelled at Hillary was “iron my shirt”- not that it makes any difference. I’ve been away for a week and am trying to catch up. Even tho’ I’ve seen the news, I’ve been jones-ing to get back to the sane people here.

    The middle video of John Lewis – so sad and so telling. It’s obvious he hates supporting Obama. Just like every other real democrat. They all seem so desperate and surely they know their words are gonna come back to bite ’em. If not, we’ll be there to remind them.

    Now…off to read the comments…

  104. “George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights”

    Substitute Barack Obama for George Wallace in the foregoing. Then contemplate the reception your vote against Obama has received in your circle of friends.

  105. “George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights”

    I was listening to Patsy and Sugar about 10 days ago, they mentioned ads being run on black radio stations and magazines, emphasising denial of constitutional voter rights to blacks in the past. Patsy and Sugar were criticising this as fomenting violence.

  106. If you listen to the last line of that last video ie the “baseless accusations” made by Palin about BO’s associations with terrorists-you can get where they’re going.

    If Palin is a pitbull, and brings up taboo arguments against the media darling-that is whipping up the crowd to right-wing r@cist violence.

    If you haven’t already done so I would suggest going to Pagan Power’s account of a Palin rally. (He went to one recently).

  107. As I stated in an earlier post, Geo. Wallace was a Jekyl and Hyde figure. The Wallace of ’58 was the diametric opposite of the ’62 Wallace. What he became in ’62 is totally indefensible.

    However, historic facts are defensible, and should be defended. Therefore it should be pointed out that John Lewis’s analogy leaves out much in regard to the timing of violence during that era.

    When John Lewis, and others were viciously attacked at the Montgomery bus station, when another Freedom Rider bus was attacked and burned in Anniston, Al., when Dr. King and many others, including myself, were trapped for hours in Rev. Abernathy’s church by a hellish riot, all in May of 1961, Geo. Wallace was not Governor of Alabama. Nor was he of any import politically.

    Wallace was still a Barbour county circuit judge, and John Patterson, who had defeated Wallace in ’58 based primarily on the basis of the KKK’s endorsement, was Governor. Patterson already embodied the evil that Wallace adopted.

    Wallace had been Governor for 8 months when the horrible 17th St. Church bombing took place in B’ham.

    As terrible, and vile, as Wallace became, John Lewis knows very well that the violence and hate long preceeded Wallace, and therefore, in a sense, lies by ommission.

    Wallace, deservedly, by his subsequent actions, became the public face of such violence and hate, but John Lewis does an injustice to history by implying that such began with, and was formulated, by Wallace.

    I still have, and will retain, much respect for John Lewis. I feel that he, like HRC, and the majority of black voters, is simply another victim of the Obama campaign’s dastardly machinations.

    I am truly saddened at seeing him being used by, and apparently having to pay some sort of pentinence, as have others, for previously having expressed his true convictions, and supporting Senator Clinton.

    To me, the Obama campaign, like the ’62 Wallace campaign, is the personification of evil, hatred, and divisiveness.

  108. “I still have, and will retain, much respect for John Lewis. I feel that he, like HRC, and the majority of black voters, is simply another victim of the Obama campaign’s dastardly machinations.”

    I agree. He definitely owes McCain an apology, but…I can imagine the pressure he’s under from allies, family members, etc. A lot of us have a hard enough time dealing with Obots and are afraid to tell our co-workers we’re not supporting him, etc. Lewis has had to deal with a primary challenge, robocalls, and who knows what else. It’s disgraceful the way the man has been treated by this meglomaniac, and I can’t completely blame him for not having the stomach for this fight. He’s fought enough battles.

  109. I totally agree regarding the apology, Seriously.

    As I stated, Lewis better than most, knew the dynamics and time-frames of the violence, including the bombing deaths of the children.

    Sadly, he compressed it all into a Wallace thing, then compared McCain to Wallace, bringing in the deaths of the children, simply using such as the most egregious damnation of McCain he could possibly put forth.

    As you stated, he has very likely suffered more indignities from his so-called allies than his previous adversaries. Such does not excuse his pernicious statement, but possibly explains why he would now stoop to the level of the Obama campaign insiders.

    It is amazing how many heretofore honorable individuals have been either compromised, or destroyed, by the Obama campaign, along with the principles we old-line Democrats long believed in, and thought of as sacrosanct.

  110. There is going to be a tomorrow no matter who is elected. I feel the D party, rabid supporters of BZero are so misguided. History will show just how empty and unprepared BZero was/is. The desparation is so over the top – the blow back is going to be nuclear. Who will trust another AA candidate again? Who will forget all the insanity, the ugliness, the grossness of this campaign? Not I – ever.

  111. […] from this excellent entry from the Confluence & Sugar and Spice ’m just. I’m flabbergasted by all of this, and my decision to not utter “yeah Congressman […]

  112. to those of you who post that these bloggers on the obama side are still your friends, please think again. we won’t all go back to being friends on the same side with this campaign is over. too much damage, hatred and betrayal by people purporting to be democrats has happened. you see the anger out there. it isn’t going away. it is going to build. these bloggers who drank the koolaid aren’t going back to being critical and pointing out the error of things. don’t be fooled!

  113. I may be in the minority here, but I think this sort of race baiting is going to backfire on the obots. Just as we saw the sexism against Hillary in the primary switch target to Palin in the general election, we are seeing the same thing with the racism smears. It’s very apparent that this is coming from Camp Obama NOT McCain or Palin. And I really think most Americans are smart enough to figure it out.

    During the primary, his supporters were posting that there would be riots if BO won the popular vote but “unjustly” lost because of super delegates. (Oh, the irony.) Again, it is clear that Camp Obama consistently uses the threat of violence in order influence votes through fear and intimidation. These folks have a pattern and they stick to it so it’s pretty easy to see them for what they are.

  114. Here is a link to the Pagan Power post about the Sarah Palin rally. It sounds like it was a positive, uplifting event. Nothing negative at all.

    PaganPower

  115. Thank you, ugsome.

    Your post describing Ayers as a huge hypocrite is absolutely true.

    The rich, spoiled white boy had Daddy’s connections to expensive lawyers to keep his silly a** out of jail, but the average Black guys who believed him (and some of the middle class white guys, too) were left in the dirt, to serve life in prison.

    Some of those guys in prison have admitted that Ayers went to the ’68 convention fully intended to incite violence, but told the “peaceful” demonstrators otherwise.

    I’m really stunned that more Blacks don’t vehemently condemn Ayers for abandoning the very people he incited and professed to be fighting for. He sure ran home to his rich Daddy ‘s connections , didn’t he?

    But here’s the other thing I want to say, fully expecting criticism: the more that Donna Brazille and James Carville suggest there will be “violence in the streets” if Obama doesn’t win, the more moderates and conservatives (remembering Ayers) quietly determine NOT to vote for Obama. And I find it bizarre that they don’t know that.

    John Lewis describing John McCain as George Wallace will only cause a huge backlash. He was stupid not to know that.

    Enough, already.

    Obama is not a “uniter;” he’s a DIVIDER. He’s WORSE than George W. Bush.

  116. Actually, the viciousness of the attack by Lewis against McCain is what one would expect from Wright’s church beliefs. The comments made against Hillary come to mind. Wright basically hates white people and blames white people for everything. Isn’t this the basic tenet of Black Liberation Theology. Seems to me if Obama is elected we can expect more of the same.

    Obama will set back race relations in this country by 50 years.

  117. urgsome said: “Look, I don’t want to vote Republican. I really, really, really, don’t. But keep this shit up and a vote for the GOP becomes a simple act of self-defense.”

    For god’s sake urgsome how much more do you require? I understand your concerns, but what else do Obama’s team need to do to get you to vote for McCain and improve the odds Obama will lose.

  118. Mary said, “[T]he more that Donna Brazille and James Carville suggest there will be “violence in the streets” if Obama doesn’t win, the more moderates and conservatives … quietly determine NOT to vote for Obama. ”

    They don’t remember Nixon’s Silent Majority. The Silent Majority were the folks you did not see on the news but who handed Nixon a 49 state to 1 landslide in 1972.

  119. I have very little confidence in any of the polls. When you read one that he is up by 11 and another that he is up by 3, you wonder who they are polling. I think they only indicate trends and if I am right they are now trending towards McCain. That 11 is now 7 and when it trends back to 5 its going to be a dog fight. The old guard Republicans were complaining about McCain early, but after he selected Mc Cain they were all cheering and now when things look tough, they are back to their complaining. This election is far far from being lost. Over these past few weeks he has been defining Obama for what he is and not to what the media would like you to believe. If we want Hillary to have a chance in 2012, we need to defeat Obama.

  120. Seriously, on October 13th, 2008 at 5:39 am Said:
    “I still have, and will retain, much respect for John Lewis. I feel that he, like HRC, and the majority of black voters, is simply another victim of the Obama campaign’s dastardly machinations.”
    To some degree I agree with you Seriously, but John Lewis has gone over the line by attacking McCain – he could have endorsed Obama, even praised him but by attacking McCain he has diminished himself in my eyes. I never heard Hillary and Bill make condescending remarks about McCain.
    To suggest that AAs will “riot” if Obama loses, is denigrating AAs – who are these people who think they can make such sweeping remarks about a whole segment of American society? How dare they make such demeaning statements about the AA population? Those statements in and of themselves are r@cist and the biggest put down of our African American citizens in this campaign.

  121. I was at the Madonna concert at Madison Square Garden where she ranted against Palin. This was preceded by a video montage of world despots (Hiltler, Mugabe, McCain) and saints (Gandhi, Gore, Obama.) The crowd went wild for Obama. And then Madonna went after Palin. Surprising? No.

    But I’ve said this before: the Democratic party has suffered a stroke. It has lost all control of its functions. Its limbs are flailing about, hitting everything they can. Mr. Lewis today proved that he has no shame. And that’s a shame.

    And the media…well…they went through some self-reflecting flogging for not questioning Bush on the Iraq War. I wonder if the same will happen about what’s happening in this campaign. Or if they’ll forever pretend to have been right.

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