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Annnnnnd, Worst Debate Ever, My Friends

One Bored PUMA

One Bored PUMA

Ooof! Was last night awful, or what? Terrible, banal questions. Terrible moderation, with Tom Brokaw sounding like the lockjawed girlfriend of the nephew in “Auntie Mame” (Top drawer!). Talking points and verbal tics galore from our two candidates (Obama’s “Annnnnnnnnnnnd” matched equally with McCain’s constant repetition of “my friends”), with very few standout moments for either. As in the first debate, the shadow of Hillary loomed large – her energy, her humanity, her solid commitment to Democratic principles, her delicious wonky command of each and every issue – and neither man even came close to matching her, although I was happy to hear McCain espousing her plan to renegotiate mortgages so that homeowners could stay in their homes (a pleasant surprise indeed!). In all honesty, I could barely stay awake through the whole thing.

There were a few things to remark upon, however. So let us begin the obligatory post-debate analysis, shall we? (For those who managed to avoid the snoozefest, a full transcript can be found here.)

Social Security?

What was going on here?

Brokaw: There are lots of issues that we are going to be dealing with here tonight. And we have a question from Langdon (ph) in Ballston Spa, New York, and that’s about huge unfunded obligations for Social Security, Medicare, and other entitlement programs that will soon eat up all of the revenue that’s in place and then go into a deficit position.

Since the rules are pretty loose here, I’m going to add my own to this one. Instead of having a discussion, let me ask you as a coda to that. Would you give Congress a date certain to reform Social Security and Medicare within two years after you take office? Because in a bipartisan way, everyone agrees, that’s a big ticking time bomb that will eat us up maybe even more than the mortgage crisis.

Giant. Red. Flag. Alert!!!!!

Calling Social Security and Medicare “entitlement programs” is neither accurate nor conducive to constructive reforms. Social Security and Medicare are part of a social safety net that prevents millions of our citizens from falling into desperate poverty. Moreover, these programs are being paid for through taxes, and every working person pays into them. There is nothing “entitled” about people who receive the benefits they have earned.

It is true that Medicare is in trouble, and it could become a problem soon if not dealt with, after eight years of malign neglect by the Bush administration. (Medicare was only saved from disastrous cuts recently by the appearance of an ailing Ted Kennedy, who shored up Senate opposition and helped defeat the plan.) Social Security is not anywhere near in the same trouble as Medicare. It is disingenuous and ridiculous to claim otherwise, much less for Brokaw to search his rear end and pull out some sort of bipartisan agreement. As Hillary said often, “Saying that Social Security is in crisis is a rightwing talking point.” So why the panic, Tom?

Perhaps because Mr. Brokaw comes from ONBC, the network most obviously in the tank for Obama this year. And Barack Obama himself was more than happy to jump on that privatization, er, reform, bandwagon right along with Tom.

Obama: Well, Tom, we’re going to have to take on entitlements and I think we’ve got to do it quickly. We’re going to have a lot of work to do, so I can’t guarantee that we’re going to do it in the next two years, but I’d like to do in the my first term as president.

Did he say, “These are not entitlement programs, Tom, I’m going to have to object to that terminology there”? Of course not. That’s because he agrees with the rightwing frame of that issue. Reassuring. Then, did actually say how he was going to do this? No. He segued immediately into his “I’m going to cut your taxes” routine. To his credit, he is now saying he will cut 95% of taxes for “working Americans.” Someone must have told him that people who are unemployed or below the poverty line actually do not pay taxes. Maybe it was Michelle! (We’ll get to that shortly.) Let’s just say that I do not want Senator Obama, he who surrounds himself with neoliberal economic advisors, working on Social Security or Medicare. Heaven only knows what he will come up with.

McCain’s answer was actually a lot better. I was shocked.

McCain: …Social Security is not that tough. We know what the problems are, my friends, and we know what the fixes are. We’ve got to sit down together across the table. It’s been done before.

I saw it done with our — our wonderful Ronald Reagan, a conservative from California, and the liberal Democrat Tip O’Neill from Massachusetts. That’s what we need more of, and that’s what I’ve done in Washington.

Sen. Obama has never taken on his party leaders on a single major issue. I’ve taken them on. I’m not too popular sometimes with my own party, much less his.

So Medicare, it’s going to be a little tougher. It’s going to be a little tougher because we’re talking about very complex and difficult issues.

My friends, what we have to do with Medicare is have a commission, have the smartest people in America come together, come up with recommendations, and then, like the base-closing commission idea we had, then we should have Congress vote up or down.

Let’s not let them fool with it anymore. There’s too much special interests and too many lobbyists working there. So let’s have — and let’s have the American people say, “Fix it for us.”

That sounds like McCain is saying he will work with the Speaker of the House to deal with Social Security, doesn’t it, and that no matter how liberal that person is, he will work with her/him? (I am hoping it will no longer be Nancy Pelosi, but rather a more spinicular female in the House, like Carolyn Maloney; but to her credit, Speaker Pelosi has never given an inch on this issue to President Bush. She has strongly resisted all attempts at privatization.)

Senator McCain’s answer on Medicare was also interesting. I take all of these responses with a huge grain of salt, of course – would McCain’s commission be full of insurance industry cronies, for example? And the “up or down vote” could be a good idea, considering the amount of pork that got stuffed into the recent bailout bill – or it could be a cover for the fact that the reform package created would not be acceptable to Democrats. Still, McCain actually answered the question in some detail, and in a not-scary way. Kudos to him.

The Final Question.

I thought both candidates seemed thrown by the town hall format. McCain appeared a bit nervous, and Obama, while smoother in style, stayed in lecture mode. Nervousness does not preclude connection, but lecture mode does, and did. Nowhere was this contrast more evident than in the candidates’ final statements of the night.

Brokaw: All right, gentlemen, we’ve come to the last question.

And you’ll both be interested to know this comes from the Internet and it’s from a state that you’re strongly contesting, both of you. It’s from Peggy in Amherst, New Hampshire. And it has a certain Zen-like quality, I’ll give you a fair warning.

She says, “What don’t you know and how will you learn it?”

Sen. Obama, you get first crack at that.

Obama: My wife, Michelle, is there and she could give you a much longer list than I do. And most of the time, I learn it by asking her.

But, look, the nature of the challenges that we’re going to face are immense and one of the things that we know about the presidency is that it’s never the challenges that you expect. It’s the challenges that you don’t that end up consuming most of your time.

But here’s what I do know. I know that I wouldn’t be standing here if it weren’t for the fact that this country gave me opportunity. I came from very modest means. I had a single mom and my grandparents raised me and it was because of the help of scholarships and my grandmother scrimping on things that she might have wanted to purchase and my mom, at one point, getting food stamps in order for us to put food on the table…

(snort snurfle) Huh? Oh, I’m sorry. I fell asleep. Does anyone really think that answer about Michelle rings true? Michelle, whom he said was going to sit there and look cute just a couple of weeks ago? Yuck. And can we please, PLEASE be spared the bullshit about poor little Obama and his mom on food stamps? Jesus fucking Christ, I’m so tired of this man repeating this same made-up story over and over and OVER. And no, he did not answer the question, in case you were wondering.

Here is what answering the question, and making a connection, looked like.

McCain: Well, thank you, Tom. And I think what I don’t know is what all of us don’t know, and that’s what’s going to happen both here at home and abroad.

The challenges that we face are unprecedented. Americans are hurting tonight in a way they have not in our generation.

There are challenges around the world that are new and different and there will be different — we will be talking about countries sometime in the future that we hardly know where they are on the map, some Americans.

So what I don’t know is what the unexpected will be. But I have spent my whole life serving this country. I grew up in a family where my father was gone most of the time because he was at sea and doing our country’s business. My mother basically raised our family.

I know what it’s like in dark times. I know what it’s like to have to fight to keep one’s hope going through difficult times. I know what it’s like to rely on others for support and courage and love in tough times.

I know what it’s like to have your comrades reach out to you and your neighbors and your fellow citizens and pick you up and put you back in the fight.

That’s what America’s all about. I believe in this country. I believe in its future. I believe in its greatness. It’s been my great honor to serve it for many, many years.

And I’m asking the American people to give me another opportunity and I’ll rest on my record, but I’ll also tell you, when times are tough, we need a steady hand at the tiller and the great honor of my life was to always put my country first.

That statement was well-delivered, and you could see the people in the hall were captured by John McCain’s humanity.  

I don’t know who “won.” I want to hear things that I don’t hear in all these debates; things that I know Hillary would have said or that she has said. I want to see an actual Democrat challenge McCain in ways that Obama doesn’t. So to me, the question of winning is immaterial, since nothing I want to see or hear ever happens.

But I do have to give McCain credit for standing his ground. After eight years of Bush, any Democrat should be able to field-dress any Republican with both hands and feet tied behind his or her back. The fact that McCain is still doing so well in the polls does show that his record of working across the aisle is impressing people from both parties. And the addition of Governor Palin to his ticket has certainly added the freshness and energy he lacks, as well as allowing her to take on the traditional attack dog role (she has been hammering Obama on Ayers recently), allowing him to stay above the fray a bit.

I thought the debates would be key in this election, but they are turning out to be so boring and poorly-run that I am uncertain that they will change anyone’s mind. As McCain said, no one knows what is going to happen in the next four years. I am afraid, unfortunately, that neither man is up to the challenges we will face, and that we are going to have a rough time no matter what.

My only hope is that our generation’s FDR, Hillary Clinton, will have some input into the direction our country takes. And the only way I can see that occurring is if Obama is defeated, since he and his enablers in the Party have made their disdain of all things Clinton abundantly clear. If they succeed in their coup, Hillary Clinton’s career will never advance beyond the Senate, and her voice will continue to be silenced by Obama for America, just as it was in the primaries.

To that end, let’s all of us PUMAs make sure that Obama never sees the inside of the Oval Office. PUMA POWER!!!

Cross-posted at Partizane

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278 Responses

  1. […] Cross-posted at Partizane and The Confluence […]

  2. “We don’t need phony unity in this country.”
    – Bill Clinton

  3. votermom – That was a great clip, and exemplifies why I have always loved Bill Clinton.

    He is not afraid of his fellow Americans, even those that don’t agree with him. Nor does he look down on them. He respects each and every one of us. And if an idea works, he doesn’t care where it comes from.

  4. Yeah, I guess my own reaction to the debates was that they both lost, and the referee too.

    They were all going nowhere fast. Or slow.

  5. If that was a TOWN HALL MEETING ( nothing personal to the valiant people who took part ) BUT it seemed more like Smurf Village that a real town with real questions , but after i heard that thousands of questions were submitted and TOM Head Smurf) BROKAW got to pick them I despaired of any originality or reality entering in… so that was tilted already to the person who does best with UNREALITY … and we all know who that is

  6. Things are looking very tough for the McCain camp. McCain is just not helping him self during these debates.

    I still think that when it comes down to it. This election is a lot closer then people think and it will be determined by turnout. The economic problems will be very hard for McCain to overcome.

  7. Based on the reviews, I am glad I didn’t take any time from my excessive consumption of alcohol to watch the debate.

  8. The real losers of the debate were us suckers who actually watched the whole thing and weren’t fortunate enough to fall asleep 15 minutes into it….

  9. BO is so spineless, srsly. He just embraces every right wing frame that comes along.
    If McCain is president, Bo will go back to being a junior senator from IL (just like Kerry) and he can make all the speeches he wants to the OFB and write all the posts he wants on the Cheeto blogs. Plus work on his 3rd memoir: “How r@cism killed my transcendent unity pony”.
    And Pres. McCain will be dealing with the real Senate leaders, like Sen. Clinton, and they won’t let him lay a finger on SS.

  10. McCain’s closing was what “children should be reading in school” not that garbage of a r*ce speech Barky made.

    President John S. McCain/Vice President Sarah Palin 2009

  11. HEY KIDS
    how about that voter fraud going on all over the country perpetrated by ACORN ?? I think it is in 11 states now , and growing all the time …
    and the very latest …is that

    investigating ACORN for blatant demonstrable paper proof in hand voter fraud is guess what??? YES YOU GUESSED IT !! R*ACIST

  12. I thought McCain’s closing statement was the best thing he did. That and the interaction with the Chief Petty Officer. He did himself no harm with that.

    Brokaw wasn’t even tolerable and Obama was his usual “me-me-me” self.

    I doubt any-one’s mind was changed about anything.

    I do think that McCain’s slight clumsiness seems more authentic than slick as snot Obama. Just me though. And I loathe Obama so thoroughly I can’t even pretend to be fair anymore.

  13. So, Obama has not mentioned the Clinton presidency in either debate. Nor does he use the word “Democrat” or “Democratic”. McCain repeatedly praises Reagan and talks about Republicans. Obama has mentioned Republicans once – we he spoke about working with that lunatic Coburn from Oklahoma.

    Obama had a chance to brag on Clinton and remind people what Dems did the last time they had the White House when the subject of humanitarian interventions came up but he skipped it.

    Horrible human being. I hope he loses.

  14. Sorry for the ot post…. I am losing it I think,
    but I enjoyed hearing John McCain , bo was just spouting stuff as far as I am concerned he has no credibility what so ever ..none

  15. BTW, if you read the transcripts and didn’t know who Reagan was, you’d be hard pressed to know which one was more conservative. I have no idea why anyone thinks he’s to the left of McCain.

  16. For what it’s worth, it’s certainly not clear what this debate performance might mean in terms of ultimate vote.

    Kerry won the debates handily. Didn’t win the prize.

    And Ford in his debate with Carter committed what is still probably the greatest blunder in the history of Presidential debates, his bizarre claim that Poland had not been, in the years before 1976, under the heavy influence of the Soviet Union. Yet that did not stop Ford from roaring back from a 20 pt deficit in the polls two months before the election to come within 2 pts of Carter when votes were cast.

    My own view remains that the election mainly hangs on the events of these final four weeks. If the economy recedes as an issue, I expect McCain’s numbers to improve — perhaps enough to swing the tide if he otherwise plays his cards right. If the economy falls into only more desperate straits, then McCain’s chances are poor.

    We’ll see.

  17. Lori – I agree. In fact, he obliquely mentioned the Clinton presidency and I turned to my hubby and said, “Which I (meaning Obama) trashed throughout the entire primary season.”

    Obama is simply loathesome.

  18. Lori:

    Remember when the Obots criticized Bill&Hill for putting themselves ahead of the Democratic party?

    They claimed Bill hung on to power at the expense of Congressional Dems.

  19. kenoshaMarge, on October 8th, 2008 at 11:28 am
    You hit on a key word for McCain….” authentic “. One may not agree with him, but he is who he is and always has been ….very refreshing next to Obama .

  20. investigating ACORN for blatant demonstrable paper proof in hand voter fraud is guess what??? YES YOU GUESSED IT !! R*ACIST

    That’s also why they blocked reform of Freddie & Fannie for years. Any mention of low-income housing was considered rac*st. How about economic common sense people?

    Has anyone discussed the PA numbers today? I know the polls are weighted etc., but 12 POINTS?? What is going on there?

  21. I’m a shallow follower. Bill says to read, “The Big Sort” and I’m pretty much gonna buy it.

  22. 12 pts in PA makes absolutely no sense. In fact, I don’t believe it in the least.

  23. Lori – I agree. In fact, he obliquely mentioned the Clinton presidency and I turned to my hubby and said, “Which I (meaning Obama) trashed throughout the entire primary season.”

    Yea, but madamab, don’t you see? NOW it helps Obama! Whatever Obama needs, he uses, what he doesn’t need–under the bus. Hollow Man.

  24. Regency – It does if you overrepresent Democrats by a large margin.

  25. Swan Spirit,

    The fraud with ACORN is paycheck fraud – not intended voter fraud. I’ve runa lot of voter reg projects, and if you’re paying people to register voters, you will always get people filling out fraudulent forms so that they can make a few dollars more. That’s what’s happening here.

    Those forms, even if sent in, don’t result in fraudulent voting. The worst thing that can happen from them is that they re-register someone out of the phonebook and list them as being in a different party – that voter might conceivably be prevented from voting in a primary. As for the rest of the forms, they”re added to the county rolls and the voter ID cards are sent out. if the post office does not recognize the name as one that receives mail at that address, the form is bounced back to the county and the name removed.

    ACORN is one of the good guys despite their ties to BO. Please don’t participate in taking out a valuable Democratic constituency because they just happen to have ties to Barack Obama. They predate him by many years, and because they register Democrats, they are a constant target for harassment.

  26. Mad: You’re right. Forgot about that.

  27. What we need is either a big McCain notion, idea, aha, creative contribution or a huge Obama stumble – a gaffe that even the Big Media, as Katy put it, cannot cover.
    Or we PUMAs keep digging – I remember the story about the kid in a room full of horse manure digging like crazy and someone asking what are you doing? His response was “Well, with all this manure there’s got to be a pony in here some place.”
    Let’s find the pony folks, cuz right now we’re up to our necks in manure.

  28. Tom Brokaw sucked!

    I called it a snoozefest too on my blog post!

  29. And I loathe Obama so thoroughly I can’t even pretend to be fair anymore.

    lol. Absolutely Marge.

  30. McCain keeps at Hillary’s HOLC
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=5ecc464a-367b-4114-b9b8-c34de4292d58

    That is why last night, I called for an American Homeownership Resurgence Plan — a plan to use taxpayer money not just to bail out Wall Street, but instead to keep families in their homes and to stabilize financial markets from the bottom up. I am committed to protecting the American worker in this crisis.

  31. McCain should just cosponsor her legislation already.

  32. As in the first debate, the shadow of Hillary loomed large – her energy, her humanity, her solid commitment to Democratic principles, her delicious wonky command of each and every issue – and neither man even came close to matching her

    – That’s an understatement.!! Hillary brought excitement to these debates, and she actually knew what she was talking about & wants what is best for American people. She should be the next President of this country, hands down.

    Also, someone said that Obama refuses to praise the Clintons.

    This is because he is jealous. He talked about the surplus Bush had when he came into office, and not once did he give credit to two-term, Democratic President Bill Clinton.

  33. Mr.Brokaw thinks boredom = seriousness and when it comes to egos, he gives even Obama a run for his money

  34. If you have listened to Obama you know he has espoused Social Security “reform”. When questioned that he was starting to sound like Bush and his plans to turn it over to Wall street he replied that privatizing was off the table. This from the same guy who promised to get us out of Iraq, said he would go with public financing, and would fight to hold TELCO’s responsible for their part in spying on law abiding Americans.
    What do you think would happen if Obama gets into the White House? Me, I figure I’ll be kissing the monies I’ve paid into S S good-bye.

  35. Regency, on October 8th, 2008 at 11:41 am Said:
    McCain should just cosponsor her legislation already.

    great idea!

  36. Regency – He should indeed. That would be brilliant! But I don’t know how she would take that. She is supposed to be throwing herself under the bus for The One, after all.

    I’m so happy that McCain is pushing Hillary’s HOLC. Who is the Democrat here? No one. But at least some of her ideas are coming into the foreground.

  37. McCain can’t openly acknowledge HRC’s plan or his base would go nuts. I heard him say that it would be expensive, but did he include her explanation that if it is done properly, like it was earlier, the government could actually make a small profit over time, or at least break even?

  38. fif – I don’t recall hearing that, but I may have been in a margarita-induced coma……

  39. I’m so happy that McCain is pushing Hillary’s HOLC. Who is the Democrat here? No one. But at least some of her ideas are coming into the foreground.

    That’s also why I think HRC would have a larger role/voice in a McCain presidency. Obama does everything he can to minimize the Clintons.

  40. I don’t know if this applies to last night’s debate as I did not watch, but this is what has been happening throughout this season:

    What Obama does, is to try to confuse us (the public) with lengthy litany. He doesn’t care about truth one iota—instead he tries to create a belief in his audiences, to then get them to share that belief. No conversations about reality needed.

    The pundits are presenting Obama as somehow(?) experienced (which is again NOT reality), and give us no options but to adapt to social processes going on around us and worship the words and decisions of the “experienced” one OR maintain our presence of mind and face the fact that we are living in clinical insanity.

    IMO, the only way to deal with all of this is to NOT imprison ourselves inside society, address the horrors that we are facing with a grain of humor if possible, and refresh ourselves in things that are intellectually uplifting.

  41. Mr Mike, IMO If Barry gets in with this Dem congress, within 6 months, SS will be given over to Wall St .

  42. I think Hillary will get her plan but it will have a different name. The name change was intentional to make a contrast but he definitely lifted her words, I’d imagine with her blessing. Though she’d prefer it be done by a democrat, I think she’d be happy as long as somebody got it done.

    For the record, I think no one wants to play the Clinton card because it’s a volatile one. McCain can’t say anything PUMAs want to hear about Hillary lest he irritate his base and he can’t say anything against the Clintons lest her irritate us. Barack is Barack; therein lie all his shortcomings.

  43. Fif: I heard that too.

  44. Okay, I have class now. Toodle loo.

  45. paper doll – I believe that with all my heart. If Obama gets in, kiss SS goodbye. He is DYING to hand it over to his cronies.

    If McCain tries that type of thing, the Democratic Congress will oppose it. But if it’s coming from Obama, it will be r*cist to disagree with anything he proposes.

  46. Regency, on October 8th, 2008 at 11:36 am Said:

    “I’m a shallow follower. Bill says to read, “The Big Sort” and I’m pretty much gonna buy it.”

    *********
    I think you’re smart! What did you say your major is?

    Thanks for sharing that great B. Clinton clip on the previous thread.

  47. madamab, on October 8th, 2008 at 11:52 am :

    … it will be r*cist to disagree with anything he proposes

    I think you summed up the plan nicely.

  48. I agree that Hillary will have a greater voice in a McCain administration than in an Obama one. If Obama wins the election, look for Hillary to become marginalized in the senate. He will have successfully bounced the Clinton wing of the DNC out the door, and he will send her along with it. Unless she is “adopted” by the Republicans, there will be no one there who even cares to listen. The boys will decide she has “cooties”.

  49. ACORN is a sham and a fraud exactly like giving Iowa, NH and blah blah an advantage based on some kind of “disadvantage”.

    People have the chance to register to vote when they get a State ID and a Driver’s Licence. The forms are at the post office. We don’t need to pay people to register people to vote. If your lazy ass can’t make the initiative to register, then you don’t need to vote. How about some personal responsibility?

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  50. Last night Obama again said education was a priority. Everytime he says this, I get as nervous as a cat in a room full of rockers and start clutching my thinning wallet.

    His endorsement by the NEA adds to my fears.

    I don’t know whether my worries are based upon his education reform link to CAC & Ayers, his penchant for burning up money, or his Black Liberation friends who use education debt as a dogwhistle for reparations, but he has made it clear to Americans that he’s going after education no matter what the economy and no one has forced him to make his position clear.

  51. McCain backing Hillary’s HOLC gives me a reason to vote FOR him, instead of just voting against Obama. This is a huge difference from my position yesterday regarding McCain. My vote was always going to be against Obama, but even though I was voting for McCain, I did it with dread. Now, I feel better about it and see the possibility of something good coming out of a McCain presidency. This issue may be a game changer and I may not be the only one to notice it.

  52. “Margarita-induced coma”

    You too?

    She hit me over the head with something heavy when I wasn’t looking, and stole my wallet.

  53. As far as this PUMAs vote:

    If McCain will push for HOLC and Energy “Eco-friendliest as possible” independence, PLUS a solid pragmatic foreign policy… and not to add my 30% commitment to vote WOMAN with Palin as VP, he’ll have my vote this Nov.4.

    Ultimately, I am voting WOMAN this year- 30% solution or bust.

    My PUMA cub is running for office in her 5th grade class and I’d be doing her a disservice if I vote for a party and for men that have cut her wings and our voices in the process.

  54. OMG, BTD posted that McCain’s campaign just credited Hillary for the HOLC plan.

    The mortgage renewal idea actually originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/us/politics/08mortgage.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

    Now there’s a man who’s not afraid to give a strong women her due. And he really wants our PUMA votes!

  55. MYIQ: LOLOLOLLLL!!!!

  56. FLVoter – You’re not. Apparently, even BTD over at TL is saying that it was a good proposition by McCain.

    I think it’s going to become very clear that Obama has no idea what to do about this economic crisis. McCain sounded a lot better than Obama on that issue because of the HOLC idea.

    We still have some time before the election. Remember the “Wolves” ad in 2004? That came out the weekend before Election Day. They say it was a big factor in the swing voters’ final decisions.

  57. votermom – Wow!!!

    McCain is truly unafraid. I agree with RD – Sarah Palin has set him free to be as mavericky as he wants to be.

    And MYIQ – that was really funny!!!

    🙂

  58. Madamab – Nice to know that someone in the kool aide drinking blogoshere recognizes a game changer. Perhaps with this McCain will begin a quiet revolution among the voters.

  59. Carol, I’m with you. Why do we need to pay people to register people to vote? And ACORN is not bi-partisan. They are definitely in BO’s corner. ACORN is also a big player in this mortgage mess we find ourselves in. Talk about lobbyists’ influence. They were one of the groups shouting racism when Reps tried to put tougher regulations on Fannie Mae.

    Voting is a civic duty. If you can’t get off your ass to register to vote, you are pathetic.

  60. votermom and FLVoter – did you check out the “me too” from Oba-Moi in the story?

    The campaign of Senator Barack Obama quickly countered by saying that the financial rescue plan that President Bush signed into law last week already gave the treasury secretary such power. And, his advisers noted, Mr. Obama recommended such a step in a news conference nearly two weeks ago.

    The Obama camp is correct that the new $700 billion bailout of the financial system gives the Treasury the authority to buy troubled mortgages. But the law leaves unclear how the authority is to be used, according to a person who was privy to the recent legislative negotiations between the White House and Congress and who is not affiliated with either campaign.

    At least McCain was gracious enough to credit Hillary when he suggested it, and he did it in a very emphatic and detailed manner. If McCain becomes President, the HOLC will happen, and he will work with Hillary on it. I know it.

  61. Sarah is relatives with FDR and Princess Diana.

    Obama is relatives with Dick Cheney.

    Any more questions? {{{{{{{{{crickets}}}}}}}}}}}

    Asked and answered!

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  62. votermom, on October 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm Said:
    ….”The mortgage renewal idea actually originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain.

    Good God! Amazing.

  63. madamab, that’s such BS from the obama camp, and a Bush talking point. All the bill does is give the Treasury Sec. power to do whatever the heck it wants, and if he feels like buying mortgages he can. And if he feels like blowing it on a spa treatment, he can too.
    It does NOT implement a HOLC program.

  64. Let’s be honest – Democrats talk about registering the poor to vote like it is some noble and virtuous cause.

    They do it because they expect the poor people to vote Democratic.

    That’s also why the GOP opposes it.

  65. Can’t expect Obama to say anything else. HOw incredibly out of touch is this guy. (Like McCain said “nailing jello to a wall”)

  66. madamab, on October 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm Said:
    If McCain becomes President, the HOLC will happen, and he will work with Hillary on it. I know it….

    I agree and it’s extremely lame for Barry to counter with the treasury secretary has such power….yeah , so what? McCain is taking advice from Hill and out lining how that power will be used…..Indeed, McCain is already working with Hillary.

  67. Ok, not the FBI state people. still.

  68. votermom, on October 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Exactly

  69. Ok, the FBI is involved. What the hell happened in the primaries? Didn’t that group endorse Obama and register voters for him. Very disturbing.

  70. Honestly, I feel like I would have been better off watching paint dry than watching that debate last night.

  71. votermom, on October 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm Said:
    ….”The mortgage renewal idea actually originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain.

    madamab, on October 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm Said:
    If McCain becomes President, the HOLC will happen, and he will work with Hillary on it. I know it….

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. Holy Hannah! McCain unafraid to have a strong woman as his running mate and unafraid to credit another strong woman with an idea to which he can subscribe.

    I may end up actually enjoying voting for John McCain. I was lodging my protest vote and my 30% vote which the McCain/Palin ticket took care of nicely.

    If McCain keeps doing stuff I like I may end up voting for him just because I like and respect him. Whodathunkit?

  73. If ACORN is still on any pork lists, I will be glad to see Sarah point to where “deaf, blind and practically dead McCain” needs to strike!

  74. That Oprah/Michelle/DNC National Women’s Leadership Initiative is just the kind of bullsh*t that drove me from the Democratic Party this year. Yeah, let’s give a few words to teh wimmin while raising money for the penis.

    No doubtthey’ll mention how lovely, just empowering it is that 2 women were at the forefront this year. Just a little tooooo empowering that is, so we had to kneecap them both.

  75. Just heard on the radio that the NY Times quoted a top GOP veteran, Charles Black, acknowledging that McCain’s new HOLC program is HRC’s original idea.

    Also said that on CNN last night James Carville warned that if Obama is ahead in the polls, and he loses the election, there will be riots in the streets. Ohhhhh Ragin’ Cajun, not you too!!

  76. Yuck. And can we please, PLEASE be spared the bullshit about poor little Obama and his mom on food stamps? Jesus fucking Christ, I’m so tired of this man repeating this same made-up story over and over and OVER.

    Amen!
    When he has nothing else – which is often- he falls back on his personal history embellished liberally!

  77. Why doesn’t Obama just talk about Michelle having to wait until she was an adult to get braces on her teeth? I could actually sympathize with that as I paid for my own Adult Braces when I was 26.

  78. Kenosha – RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

    McCain is THISCLOSE to getting this PUMA to vote for him.

    THISCLOSE.

  79. sm77 – you are sooooooooooooooo already in the tank for McCain/Palin – stop the false pity party!

  80. There could be riots in the streets if Barry wins too….ever see a town when someone wins a sports championship? If Carville says there will be riots, I believe he is speaking mostly about paid provocators
    that he knows will be on hand. Even so, we cannot be held hostage by such shit .

  81. Obama really does seem to think that he can win purely on his coolness, and that he doesn’t have to propose a single concrete thing to seal the deal with voters — leaving it open to McCain, of all people, to endorse a concrete, progressive approach to the bailout.

    That’s always the problem with Obama. He has no passionate commitment to anything outside of winning power. Policies and principles are simply cards in the game of achieving that power. He discards them as needed for the hand he’s trying to assemble.

    Why anyone would think it would be different when he becomes President is beyond me.

  82. ….”The mortgage renewal idea actually originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain.

    Giving credit where credit is due–a lost art, it seems. Glad to see that the McCain camp is not afraid to do so.

    McCain/Palin 2008
    Clinton/? 2012

  83. I will take my chances!!!!!!!!!! I know how to riot also!!!!!!!!

  84. Carol – I’m doing the 30% Palin. McKinney/Clemente, And I’d vote McCain if FL was too close in the polls but as a nuclear option.

    Now, I’m actually having a reason OTHER than just a protest vote to vote for McCain/Palin.

    McCain needs to keep sweetening up the deal, so far, I’m feeling better with his energy & foreign relations proposals. But I love his Hillary/HOLC plan more.

  85. If Obama loses, I will stop partying long enough to say this to any Obot rioters: “HE LOST. GET OVER IT.”
    Oh, please oh please oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  86. CAROL
    ..thanks for your reply about ACORN … I would add this
    to the idea that because ACORN pre dated bo so it is still valuable and credible

    the entire Democratic party ,b> pre dated bo and look what he has managed to do to to that entity ?? It is no longer recognisable as the party it has been for decades
    Sorry but that argument is as flimsy and invalid as he is …

  87. Obama Admits Bumming Cigarettes on the Campaign Trail
    Barack Obama says in an interview with Men’s Health magazine that he has bummed cigarettes “a couple of times” along the campaign trail.

    AP

    Wednesday, October 08, 2008

    NEW YORK — Barack Obama says he wishes he had more time for staying fit. And the Democratic presidential candidate admits that he still occasionally smokes a cigarette.

    “Most of my workouts have to come before my day starts,” Obama told the magazine Men’s Health in an interview for its November issue. “There’s always a trade-off between sleep and working out. Usually I get in about 45 minutes, six days a week. I’ll lift one day, do cardio the next.”

    If he had the time, Obama said, he would spend 90 minutes working out.

    Quitting smoking didn’t create “huge withdrawal symptoms,” the Illinois senator said, partly because he smoked only seven or eight cigarettes a day at his peak. His wife, Michelle, pressured him to quit, he said.

    Obama’s advice for those trying to kick the habit? “Eliminate certain key connections — that first cigarette in the morning, or after a meal, or with a drink,” he said. “If you can eliminate those triggers, that should help.”

    Obama said he’s bummed a cigarette a couple of times during the campaign.

    “But I figure, seeing as I’m running for president, I need to cut myself a little slack,” he said.

  88. That is the most racist connotation I have ever heard!

    “Oooh, white people, better vote for the black man or scary black gangs will burn your house down!”

    Whatever racial transcendency was killed just by making the “rioting in the streets” assumption.

    STOP THE INSANITY!

  89. Quitting smoking didn’t create “huge withdrawal symptoms,” the Illinois senator said, partly because he smoked only seven or eight cigarettes a day at his peak.

    LIE.

    “But I figure, seeing as I’m running for president, I need to cut myself a little slack,” he said.

    Way to role model for the kidz, but I suppose the machismos at Men’s health thought it added to his coolness, and after all isn’t the election really about who would you rather bum a cig with.

  90. Donna B started the riot sh*t in January. Nothing new for CNN.

  91. (was in moderation, posting again)

    “Also said that on CNN last night James Carville warned that if Obama is ahead in the polls, and he loses the election, there will be riots in the streets.”

    That is the most r*cist connotation I have ever heard!

    “Oooh, white people, better vote for the black man or scary black gangs will burn your house down!”

    Whatever racial transcendency was killed just by making the “rioting in the streets” assumption.

    STOP THE INSANITY

  92. “But I figure, seeing as I’m running for president, I need to cut myself a little slack,” he said.

    I wonder if that goes with Obama’s recreational cocaine use too.

  93. I watched. I regretted it. McCain lost a vote in this household (not mine). But reading the transcript was better than watching him. He seemed nervous. Anyway, I liked his take on SS and Medicare. One of the problems with Medicare is the last bill they passed that tuned out to be a +$600B boondoggle and corporate giveaway. So, the idea of doing it like the base-closing commission isn’t a bad one.

    Flipping through the channels afterward, I heard someone wondering if McCain’s reference to dark times wasn’t racist. Good grief.

  94. Barky is showing his “smarts”. “The economy problem is serious and I said it in an email last week …………………………………………………… ”

    His teleprompter is cr*ping out on him.

  95. Two great post in the last three days. madamab and riverdaughter have laid it out in plain terms. Madamab words “To that end, let all us PUMA’s make sure that Obama never sees the inside the oval office. PUMA POWER” should motivate all of us to no longer as riverdaughter stated so positive to stop talking about third party candidates and cast our ballots for McCain. What ever effort can be made in the states of Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio needs to be made and it needs to be concentrated on the PUMA”s strong point and that is the women vote. This is the area where he has been losing support and the economy has been driving that loss of support. There is no reason to believe and more to doubt, that Obama would be better then McCain on that issue. Obama’s addition one trillion dollars in additional spending, along with increase taxes on capital formation will completely drive the country into a deep recession, with the possibility of a depression. There is going to have to be capital formation and credit if there is going to be increases in employment.

  96. I have great empathy for the people that needed and wanted a President that they could relate to ethnically and have been so cheated by a lying piece of pond scum ………………………………..

  97. Carol,
    you left a link to No Quarter at the bottom of the Late night debate thread-I’ve been trying to open it but it looks like the page has disappeared…
    What was it about? (just curious)

  98. Please delete the Obamabots in the last comments in “post debate thread”.
    Now the Obamabots are embracing Hillary as long as she goes along and gives him his requisite blowjob and ego stroke that NOW, Pelosi, NARAL, Caroline Kennedy and the other white women have given him.

  99. BO’s latest friend that is being looked at by the FBI – it should still be there.

  100. Thx-off to work now. Back later.

  101. Carol – Did you notice that last night, Obama agreed with McCain’s original statement that the fundamentals of the economy were strong, while saying at the same time he disagreed with it?

    Brokaw: Sen. Obama, time for a discussion. I’m going to begin with you. Are you saying to Mr. Clark (ph) and to the other members of the American television audience that the American economy is going to get much worse before it gets better and they ought to be prepared for that?

    Obama: No, I am confident about the American economy. But we are going to have to have some leadership from Washington that not only sets out much better regulations for the financial system.

  102. I agree Carol, but as my AA colleague Barbara said yesterday “If Obama is elected he will put our black population back 100 years. His attitude, and lack of knowledge about what this country needs is really frightening.”

  103. DV – I’d like to but I can’t. Any administrators here with more rights than I?

  104. Quitting smoking didn’t create “huge withdrawal symptoms,” the Illinois senator said,

    THAT’S BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T QUIT!!!!

    I knew it!!! maybe we should start raising concerns about his health? huh? smoking in your mid 40’s barry??? that means he’s been smoking for over 20 years. and with children. what shameful behavior. I smoked for 20 years myself, and know how hard it is to quit. but this just is further proof that he is a LIAR

  105. The One II: Road To Denver

    …………………………….

    WOW, this one got by me…first time I’ve seen it.

  106. Gary – LOL!!!

    Can you imagine this idiot “bumming cigarettes?” How is that Presidential behavior?!

    “Hey man, got a smoke?”

    That is so typical of “both-ways” Barack. Either you smoke, or you don’t. He smokes. End of story.

  107. I’ll say, what happened in Denver was sure unbelievable…still in shock over it. NO HONEST ROLL CALL VOTE for Hillary, THE BEST CANDIDATE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A WOMAN.

  108. I actually did fall asleep during the debate. Both what Obama says and how he says it are so DULL. Ugh. True, McCain fumbles a bit when he speaks but I find him so much easier to listen to and to follow. Unlike Obama, McCain is neither condescending or smug. I watched the clip of Bill and I noted how we said that we can’t be “smug” or “elite.” Hmm, could he possibly have had someone in mind?

    I really perked up when McC mentioned the mortgage renewal proposal. Even if he couldn’t overtly credit Hillary with the idea last night, his campaign’s statement to the NYT is very telling. Between that, his VP pick, and his mention of Meg Whitman, I am seeing signs that a McCain administration could be very gender-inclusive.

    What started out as a protest vote on my part may be getting closer to an issues vote.

  109. Holy Hannah! McCain unafraid to have a strong woman as his running mate and unafraid to credit another strong woman with an idea to which he can subscribe.

    McCain said he would use the best ideas, wherever they come from, and he didn’t care who gets the credit. He does have a record of bipartisanship, and his ACTIONS prove it is true, unlike Obama, who is all talk and can’t even unite his own Party.

    Radio just heard another claim of rac*sm against Palin, because she referenced “small town America” in a speech. Apparently, some rabid rac*st has used THAT SAME TERM, and she is now QUOTING HIM!

    I am still aghast that these people are given a microphone to spout this idiocy. I have to add that term to my list now: “small town America.” Along with:

    inexperienced
    community organizer
    fairy tale
    Fannie & Freddie (or low-income housing)
    ACORN
    and on and on…

  110. madamab, I like how he gives people advice on how to quit even though he hasn’t.

  111. Oh, and about the smoking — wasn’t it Arabella Trefoil who was certain that Obama had not quit? I smoked a while in my 20s and know about “bumming” cigarettes. That just means either 1) you’re too cheap to buy your own or 2) you’re rationalizing that if you don’t buy any, you aren’t really a smoker. Bullsh!t.

  112. mad – yes, he has been plagarizing Hillary and McCain in his speech right now!

  113. Son of a TN state lawmaker INDICTED for hacking into Palin’s email account.

  114. I think him smoking is a serious issue. it again shows he has poor judgement. but for all those eco voters out there, how do they reconcile it? smoking is bad for the environment not only because of the smoke, but the cigarette butts. Is he just tossing the butts? and if not, don’t those filters take forever to biodegrade? I got such hell for smoking from liberals when I lived in CA, they practically said if you smoked you were evil? Why does Obama get a pass??? this should be a serious issue imo.

  115. I like how he gives people advice on how to quit even though he hasn’t.
    LOL. My thought exactly.

  116. jules, I have maintained all along that he still smoked. and once again I am right. what an ass…I’m going ot write a post about this….

  117. ******
    I agree that Hillary will have a greater voice in a McCain administration than in an Obama one. If Obama wins the election, look for Hillary to become marginalized in the senate. He will have successfully bounced the Clinton wing of the DNC out the door, and he will send her along with it. Unless she is “adopted” by the Republicans, there will be no one there who even cares to listen. The boys will decide she has “cooties”.
    *****
    This needs repeating. If Obama wins, then he will be extremely vindictive towards the Clintons. Have you ever seen him do anything indicating that he is not vindictive?

    I have seen plenty to indicate he is vindictive. And it is clear that McCain has no ill will towards the Clintons. He lacks even a reason to have ill will.

    A vote for McCain will benefit both Clintons. Also, people like to say how McCain got in a public fight with his wife. Yes he did. She has a large say, and sometimes their arguments boil over. If she didn’t have a say, then you’d just never see her except as a photo op. Like most political wives. When you add that to Sarah Palin, then you have a man who isn’t afraid to be surrounded by strong women on all sides. Hell, his wife may have been the one that picked Sarah as a potential VP. It does make a certain amount of sense.

    McCain will certainly have no problem working with Hillary.

  118. Mawm – SO TRUE!

    I wonder why he has not cured his own addiction to cigarettes with his Messiah-like powers?

  119. Gary, I agree with you. So if the stress of running for president makes him smoke a butt or two, what would happen if he were actually in office? This tells me that his nerves can’t handle the pressure. The man is weak. Also, the health issue is huge. I’d like to see those frigggin’ medical records. Maybe Berg will get somewhere.

  120. Obama’s talking about using a line-item veto again. Won’t ANYONE point out that the President Can’t Do It!

  121. Carol:

    & Meg Whitman
    & Carly Fiorina
    & the majority of women on his staff

  122. Of course. He’s on right now plagarizing all of Hillary’s and McCain’s words.

    I don’t think he wrote his books – it looks like he had Ayers ghostwrite it or edit.

  123. KB – Maybe Michelle will tell him. After all, he claims he asks her whenever he doesn’t know the answer to something.

    😉

  124. I don’t like listening to the Church of Obama. It’s turning my stomach. He talks as though none of us has ever helped anyone. Well there’ve been times I’ve supported 11 people and I’ve never even had a child. How did that happen if I’m so fuckin’ selfish?

  125. Obama: Well, Tom, we’re going to have to take on entitlements and I think we’ve got to do it quickly.

    —————————–

    Ugh. Let me guess — the professional appeasers, colluders, and revisionist historians of the Corp Tabloids and blogz have no problem whatsoever with this, right? It’s okay to frame social programs as “entitlements”? Because BO does it?

    This is why I despise BO and this is why I have contempt for his supporters. Hypocrites.

  126. katiebird, I read something not long ago about the Obamas’ charitable contributions. I think that in their income bracket, the average % of charitable contrib. is 2.7% and the Os donated just .9%. How’s that for helping???

  127. Katiebird, President Obama will be able to do anything he wants. Rules don’t apply to him. After all, who’s going to stop him? Pelosi? Reid?

    On a serious note — I wish one of the debates had asked them about unitary executive.

  128. Lets get clinical …
    If he can tell himself he has quit smoking , and even give advice to others on how to quit , when he is in deep denial about having quit himself he is delusional and co dependent as well ( fixing other people instead of fixing yourself)
    and let us not forget
    NICOTINE is a MOOD ALTERING SUBSTANCE
    and NICOTINE ADDICTION is a true addiction

    and what other mood altering substances he is using to fix his feelings and psyche is a completely valid quesion.

    As a former smoker who has not had a cigarette since 1996 , I know this to be true personally , and as an RN who teaches quitting smoking I know this to be true clniically .
    Yes his health is at risk, as wellas his mental state
    Nicotine addiction is a medical diagnosis .

  129. Please don’t take this the wrong way because I have immense respect for your writing. But enough of the Hillary mantra. Hillary is supporting Obama, lest we forget.

    I realize that this comment may make me almost immediately unpopular. But I live in the present. The minute Hillary said that she supported Obama I stopped worshiping her, actually walking out on her speech at PUMA headquarters. Nevertheless I still went out in the streets attempting to get delegates to sign the “new rule” that required 800 delegates to support an actual role call vote at the convention even though I knew the fix was in.

    This isn’t a time to look backward or forward. We need to focus on the present and mobilize our forces to stop this madman from getting the keys to the kingdom. Right now!

  130. Well said paganpower! The Obamabots are now using Hillary’s support of Obama to beat us down and tell us to get over it. There are things Hillary must concede as a member of the now corrupt Democratic Party. But fortunately for all of us we aren’t required to forego our principles for the sake of electing the Chosen One. We need to continue to focus on the present with or without Hillary behind us.

  131. Ut oh – Andrea Mitchell just had breaking news that someone just used Barky’s middle name in a speech.

    I think that should be stricken from the English Language.

  132. Paganpower – If you wish to desert Hillary, that’s fine. I don’t choose to do so. She is doing what she has to do. She remains the only Democrat who is showing any leadership or any ideas in these dark times. I think that’s worthy of support.

    However, I think we are entirely in agreement with this:

    We need to focus on the present and mobilize our forces to stop this madman from getting the keys to the kingdom. Right now!

    PUMA POWER!!!

  133. Carol, the name “Hussein” has become equivalent to “Voldemort” in the wizarding world. Anyone who says it is punished.

  134. PaganPower,
    I totally understand how you cold feel the way you do , and I will spare you any argument to the contrary , whys or wherefores and I deeply respect your feelings; but I also know that Hillary hasnt gone away and even if you dont “worship” she is still a huge influence and can be of great help to us from where she is .
    And I completely agree about not letting the madman have the keys to the kingdom

    Bright Blessings

  135. As I said last night, Obama in his closing statement talked about what everyone did for him. McCain talked about what he wants to do and has done for the country.

    And Social Security and Medicare are NOT entitlement programs. We pay for them from the time we start working. If the government would quit dipping into those funds to pay for their earmark addictions we wouldn’t have a big problem.

    MountainSage

  136. I see Hillary as being held hostage. Support Obama or we will destroy everything you’ve ever worked for. For the sake of other people she’s willing to set herself aside. And it is her duty as a Dem NY senator to support the DEM candidate.
    But it’s wrong and immoral of the DNC to do this to her.
    It’s up to us to free her by defeating the DNC’s corrupt choice.

  137. DV and Carol – What happened to the Kewl Obamabots all adopting the middle name “Hussein” on line?

    Did they flip-flop on that as well?

  138. PAgan: We would but McCain & Obama keep bringing her words & plans up! How can we ignore that?

    And yes, we ARE moving forward and we are committed to defeating him.

  139. And the Democratic presidential candidate admits that he still occasionally smokes a cigarette.

    As a longtime nicotine addict, I’ll guarantee y’all that this is a lie. Obama has brazenly lied about the extent and nature of his acquaintance with Rezko and Ayers and Rev. Wright. He has lied and lied and lied about his own history and record. It’s very, very hard to quit smoking under any circumstances, but amidst the extraordinary pressures of a presidential campaign? Yah, right. Snort.

  140. Carol,

    Did you catch Andrea’s sage words, “This is our text poll from last night. It is not a scientific polls, but it is a text poll.”

    Everyday I think I have finally seen the leavings from the cranial vacuum and then there’s more.

  141. ugh, just saw a clip of Claire McCaskill giggling on and on last night.

    Obama cannot win. It would be horrendous to listen to his droning nothingness, but Claire’s silliness would push me over the edge. And Claire has the nerve to say Palin is dumb? Claire is not the brightest bulb in the lamp, shall we say?

  142. Don’t know if this has been posted but that little twit has been indicted for hacking Palin’s email. The trial date isn’t until December 16. After the election of course! We’ll see if he gets a slap on the hand or some real punishment but I’m guessing that will depend on who wins the election.

    PalinHackerIndicted

  143. McCain Palin live streaming on cnn.com

  144. Noticed the AP article on the little hacker didn’t mention he was an Obot, and didn’t even say his dad was a Democrat. Just said “state Representative’ or some such.

    It’s must be such a comfort to The One to know that the AP is out there shilling for him, day or night, rain or snow, big story or little story…..

  145. paganpower:

    Supporting Hillary is not about ‘worship’ and it should never be. It’s about recognising her talent and contributions.

    Lest you forget, PUMA began because of her.

    Talking happily about Hillary and working towards a better Democratic party is not mutually exclusive.

  146. PofEd, there was a blurb on Politico last night about Sen. Aunt Claire. She was being interviewed by MessNBC and Romney was up next. When she took out the ear piece, she handed it to Romney and said with a smile, “I spit on it.”

    Rejoinder from the McCain campaign, “You should see what she did to the seat.”

  147. I am streaming CNN waiting for McCain & Palin and the music is reminding me of the good old days dancing…check it out!

  148. gary – add this to your post:

    Comment by Thinker | 2008-10-08 11:46:26

    So Obama finally admits to still smoking cigs?

    I’m still waiting for him to admit that he smokes a few rocks every now and then.

    “A couple of times”?? Well, we all know how Obama loves to lie, so a couple of times means once an hour. I swear, during his last debate with Hillary, he looked like he couldn’t wait to run out of there to light up. I call it the Smoker’s Look.

    lol @ at the people that this clown is healthier than McCain.

    ** chuckles **

  149. Votermom: The only way to get Hillary in the race for 2012 or give her any kind of political life is to defeat Obama, isn’t it?

    Maybe we could do a bumper sticker, a la Teddy Kennedy’s run in the 80’s. Something like Free Hillary, Vote McCain.

  150. Prolix – LOL!!!

    Gawd, McCaskill is a disgrace. Typical O-bot – no class.

  151. Paganpower, I don’t think your comment renders you unpopular. Everyone feels betrayed by her “support” of Obama. I also hate that she voted for the horrible bailout bill.

    But there really isn’t anyone better or more worthy of trust. I tend to agree with Madamab—I rationalize that she is doing what she has to.

  152. “IKnowWhatYouDidLastPrimary”

    What a fantastic nym!

    And I agree:

    …Obama refuses to praise the Clintons.
    This is because he is jealous. He talked about the surplus Bush had when he came into office, and not once did he give credit to two-term, Democratic President Bill Clinton.

  153. They are reporting Palin is meetin’ resistance among Hillary Supporters.

    Any of ya out there resistin’?

    Joe this Morning declared he got his Mother the most wanted ticket that Pensacola ever had available – to see Sarah yesterday. “People waited 5 hours in pouring down rain to get in and 4 hours inside for her to get there.” Then she got to go back stage to meet her. “She said it was the happiest day of her life and she watches our show sometimes.” “My mother loves her.” Joe Scarbourgh

    SARAH HAKA 👿

  154. McKatskill said that? Is she that distraught with Obotulism that she’s regressed to a 4th grader?

  155. Elvis – now they are tryin’ to kill us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  156. sm77, she was playing up to get to a 4th grade level.

  157. Carol – I think there are a lot of “liberal feminists” who are horrified at the idea that feminism could be practiced by a woman who is anti-choice. They can’t get past it and understand that the 30% solution is non-partisan.

    I wonder who they supported in the primaries? If they didn’t support Hillary and scream and yell about the constant misogyny, then I am rather unimpressed with their “liberal feminist” credentials.

  158. She’s not anti-Choice. She’s Pro-Life and that’s her choice.

  159. anonymous, the only way that Obama could beat Hillary in the primary was by stealing votes in the caucus states. There are no caucuses in the general election. So, hopefully, his vote stealing will be limited to fraudulent voter registration which is (finally!) getting some coverage, at least on FOX.

    I really don’t think this race is over. Even though I just talked with one of my co-workers who thought McCain came across like a “grumpy old man” last night. Well, not in the debate I was watching. And the truth is that my co-worker would be voting for whoever the Dems put up. He’s biased. Just like the MSM. But I really don’t think the rest of America is drinking the kool-aid. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

  160. Prolix, What will Obama say to retract from Cheatah Girl Claire” “She is not the 4th grader I once knew.”

  161. It seems that the debate was boring, but in retrospect it provided a couple of bombshells. McCain is standing by his word while risking the presidency. The conservatives are having a field day ripping him apart for supporting HOLC (for short). Many are threatening to vote Barr. But I felt he was sincere and really believes in providing help to help onesself so that the economy doesn’t totally explode.

    I also think his hands are tied as to being able to come out with the big guns against Obama. The least thing will be interpreted as r@cist – for pete’s sake people are writing in the MSM that Palin is r@cist because she wears white.

  162. GXM, I prefer grumpy old man who’s a hero and SMART with energy & foreign realations who is ASKING for my vote through HOLC versus effete snob who blackmails me into voting for him.

    I beleive this economy crisis is a sham to force us to vote Democrat.

  163. sm77, maybe he will use what I have always thought of “Aunt Clara” McCaskill, “The Show Me Senator —– didn’t.”

  164. Carol, Joe is doing a Morning Joe in the afternoon on MessNBC right now.

  165. looking – There was no way, in the format of the debate, to come out with the Ayers stuff. That’s going to be Sarah’s job, and she’s doing it quite well.

    Let her be the attack pit bull.

    🙂

  166. Is the Ayers stuff going to work? It seems so late and McCains ads have been terrible since the convention.

  167. I agree Madamab, I think all the hoohaa about Ayers was just to get BZero to fill up his nicotine riddled brain with zingers on Ayers and throw him off.

  168. “looking for integrity

    The least thing will be interpreted as r@cist – for pete’s sake people are writing in the MSM that Palin is r@cist because she wears white.”

    Sickening. It is time for Johnny to issue a statement regarding that “r*ce card again.”

  169. We know Obotulism is infectious; perhaps your degree is equal to the grade level that infected you. Didn’t Claire catch her Obotulism from her kids?

    Of course, I think Claire’s kids are teens, and her remark would shame many teenagers. Maybe Obotulsim is the Fountain of Youth: you don’t look any younger, but you act more childish.

  170. In today’s Chicago Tribune:

    Obama vs. McCain: Scripted and improv

    “It took some time for McCain to get under Obama’s skin, but he got there.”

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/obama_v_mccain_scripted_and_im.html

  171. KB – we’ll see. I think so, because Obama has no defense against it, and Sarah’s talking about it every day. She was not at all intimidated by the lies about how talking about it made her a r*cist.

    The heels are on, the gloves are off.

  172. Biden called McCain a “sidekick” not a maverick.

    I think that is r*cist!

  173. Jeezus Shrikes – WHERE’S THE OCTOBER SURPRISE!!!!!????

    Give it to me NOWWWW!!

    (calming down….not!)

  174. MadamaB — The Ayers thing doesn’t seem to be covered so much today. But, maybe that’s ’cause of the debate. Also, I didn’t really expect Obama to have a way to steal the election in so many states.

    What a horrible year. I’ll never forget this.

  175. Abandon all hope. Resistance to Obotulism is futile.

    [edited for truth and clarity]

  176. Also Rezko’s sentencing is coming up isn’t it? That might be a good thing to bring Obama’s creepy cronies back into the spotlight.

  177. Palin is r*cist because she wears white?!

    I think people are just trying to see how far they can go with calling everything r*cist. It’s not possible that people seriously think that, is it?

  178. Katiebird, hopefully with the FBI raiding the Acorn offices, I KNOW they must be looking at all of Acorn’s voter reg records.

  179. Check out this screenshot from Uni Chicago, 1997, which places Obama and Ayers at a panel Michelle organized to promote Ayer’s book.

  180. A couple of points on Social Security and Medicare:

    Perhaps “entitlement program” is an unhelpful term, but it’s well-established language for these two programs. My understanding is that it’s used because recipients are “entitled” to these payments, and Congress can’t arbitrarily cut them any given year, as they can with other things. I don’t fault Obama for not objecting to its use in this context.

    I do fault Obama for not objecting to the idea that Social Security is in crisis or needs to be fixed. It is not. Nor am I pleased that he didn’t make a distinction between the problems facing Social Security (tiny) to those facing Medicare (huge). I don’t know if he simply didn’t know or didn’t bother to bring it up.

    I was quite surprised that McCain pretty much nailed the answer. Who would have thought that it’d be the GOP candidate who would be more correctly reassuring about the future of Social Security. That he knew that Medicare is in worse trouble as well was a big bonus.

    Overall, I thought both candidates weren’t very good, with Obama a little worse than McCain. Both of them looked small against the size of the problems that we’re facing. McCain at least had a few more authentic moments and seemed to be more energized (relative to expectations and age) towards the end. Obama, for whatever reason, was flat and listless, lacking any kind of boldness or clarity.

  181. OMG OMG

    My teeth are WHITE.

    I’m a r*cist!

  182. Auntie Claire is besotted with bo beyond any reach of reason
    … I saw her last night when they panned up to mo , and she was practically drooling and panting

    and as a PUMA am I entitled to the occasional Catty remark ??

    um

    could mo find a dress with a bigger back zipper ??That one on the dress she had on last night caught and reflected the light from the cameras and blinded half the audience …

    ok… that was bad …. but somehow I am not sorry

  183. sm77, me too! The more I see of McCain, the more I genuinely like him. And I think he and Palin make a great team.

  184. By the way…

    Obama and McCain are back to a statistical dead heat nationally.

    Reuters/Zogby/C-Span Poll

  185. SM77 yesterday on Lou Dobbs, he said that the entire Texas football team was found to be “registered to vote” by ACORN in some other state, including the star (sorry, don’t follow football, and athlete names don’t register w/ me.)

  186. swanspirit – LOL!!!

  187. Thank you madamab for the afternoon pick-me-up! 🙂

  188. Karolina – I read that even Terrell Owens from the Dallas Cowboys was on there.

    Uh, if you’re going to fib on the Nevada voter registration lists, you’d think they’d use a team from Nevada.

  189. Cindy M. talking now on cnn.com

  190. how can zogby have it at obama +2 and gallup have it as obama +11

    Something smells…..

  191. Right. Sheesh.

  192. votermom — that’s pretty damning. What a lesson Obama’s taught us. Stout denial can overcome ALL evidence.

  193. McCain wiped the floor with Obama (lousy debate or not)!!!! THAT’S THE REAL ISSUE!

    McCain/Palin 2008!

  194. votermom: And isn’t it odd how the MSM never mentions that Michelle worked with Ayers wife? Michelle grew up in Chicago, there is no way she didn’t know about Ayers. There’s no way she didn’t know about Dohrn.

    Even if you believe that Obama didn’t know Ayers background, which I think is a big old piece of BS, wouldn’t Michelle have gone to bed one night and said something like ‘Baby Daddy, I heard some nasty gossip today, our buddies Bill & Bernie made bombs & blew up people’…….

  195. …um…is there a team in Nevada?

  196. BPD – I don’t see any cross-tabs for Gallup. I know that they used registered, not likely voters, and also that many of the firms are oversampling Democrats by 9-12 percentage points.

  197. Get busy helping McCain/Palin win please!
    Starting today, everyone should report what they are doing (each and every day) to get McCain/Palin elected! LET’S ALL GET BUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    McCain/Palin 2008

    Do it for your country!

  198. madamab-

    yup. One of the blogs (I can’t remember which) referred to an MSM statement about that – with a photo of her in a white shirt.

  199. PoE — the MSM is so in the tank for BO.

  200. Just musing here, but isn’t it amazing how little babies can just grow into their names over time. I’m watching Morning Joe in the afternoon and I’m looking at Mike Barnicle. There’s no more perfect name for him — barnicle, barnicle, barnicle. He is a bitter, hanger-on who would slam Hillary before a question was even asked. He’s the gift from Russert from the grave. Barnicle was twice caught “lifting” material and where does he land, but on MessNBC courtesy of Russert. At times like these, I do believe there is a grand plan.

  201. Palin on CNN (she isn’t wearing white)

  202. Palin zingers:

    Obama is … “trying to talk his way into the White House.”

    “Last night JM talked about real and practical solutions. BO talked about why he’d rather run against George Bush.”

  203. This ACORN voter registration stuff is big news and it breaks my liberal bleeding heart that FOX is the only one covering it. The rest of MSM is too busy reporting Tina Fey’s impersonation of Sarah Palin. I just can’t believe it’s come to this.

  204. madamab ..maybe I just noticed the back zipper because mo so rudely turned her back on Cindy and John
    showing her complete lack of manners

  205. Looking – do they not realize that everyone wears white?

    Everyone? All over the world?

  206. vm, did you catch this one, “Barack wasn’t willing to drill, but last night he changed his mind again. I guess Obama is only drilling for votes.” (approximately)

  207. jvsp, yup, that was funny.

  208. McCain has on his Orange (PUMA) Tie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  209. madamab, don’t muslims wear white all the time?

  210. What is the heckler yelling?????????

  211. parentofed, on October 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm Said:
    votermom: And isn’t it odd how the MSM never mentions that Michelle worked with Ayers wife? Michelle grew up in Chicago, there is no way she didn’t know about Ayers. There’s no way she didn’t know about Dohrn.

    Even if you believe that Obama didn’t know Ayers background, which I think is a big old piece of BS, wouldn’t Michelle have gone to bed one night and said something like ‘Baby Daddy, I heard some nasty gossip today, our buddies Bill & Bernie made bombs & blew up people’…….

    Wanna bet ( please someone bet me I need the money LOL ) that Larry King doe not ask her about that on his show tonight ???

  212. That’s what I mean. It’s gotten out of hand.

    Last night my daughter came back from watching the debate at school. The profs are all pro-Obama. No dissension is allowed. She said they and the students spent time making the most obnoxious, discriminatory, mysoginist and stupid jokes about McCain and Palin. The non-Obama people did not say a word as one of the profs is known for grading down if one disagrees with that profs position. Comments similar in stupidity to the white shirt comment were made – by college students and professors. She had to stay as one of her profs requires it.

  213. JM is pushing HOLC now.

  214. Mawm – Why yes, I believe so. I guess they are r*cists too.

  215. Sarah’s getting pissed. She gonna let Piper take them out with a bb gun.

  216. swanspirit: ‘oh, that’s not the Bill & Bernie we know, she makes such lovely steak tartare for our dinner parties’

  217. Carol, lol.
    Too bad there’s so many hecklers.

  218. I was really hoping McCain would jump on the mention of Delaware and how the credit card companies and corporations love it there because the rules are so lax. I wish McCain would push putting a cap on credit card interest rates and fees.

    Visa and MasterCard practically own most major sporting events with their paid sponsorships and that ain’t cheap. All that sponsorship and advertising money comes from interest and fees paid by consumers. The Bible forbids usury, but it’s legal in the U.S.

  219. Pagan Power- (1.13pm)
    I loved your radio show and I like your blog which I visit regularly.

    I can understand your attitude to Hillary, but you must understand ours. Referring to Hillary spices up things, reminds us why we’re here, sharpens our sense of injustice, and generally brightens up a very drab political landscape.

    Personally I would have liked Hillary to have started a 3rd Party, and I feel that with this financial crisis she could very well have won.

    But Hillary is what she is, she has never been a rash mover. Which is also why she would have made a good Prez.

    I really don’t know why word seems to be getting around that Confluence deletes/ does not accept other Puma viewpoints.

  220. OMG they’re chanting “NOBAMA! NOBAMA!”

  221. There are many factors that could influence poll results.

    The first is a basic property of the mathematics involved. The “margin of error” gives a 95% confidence interval meaning that, if the poll was done completely correct, it will be right 19 times out of 20 times and wrong 1 out of 20 times.

    The race is pretty dynamic–lots of changes–so a poll taken Sat-Sun could reflect a different reality than a poll taken Mon-Tue. And so on. Someone mentioned a 3 point shift in the rasmussen 3-day tracking poll which means that there is a significant change in the last two days, and the race will tighten further in the next couple days.

    Also, time of day and the nature of questioning and the samples used could influence results even if they are all done the same. Polls are a very useful guide, but nothing set in stone. Look at the RCP line plot, McCain’s support goes up and down periodically. And RCP shows a trend upward for McCain, in line with history.

    Wow. This post was too long.

  222. Looking for Integrity ..are they trying to brainwash her by making her stay ??

  223. WOW! he just dissed Obama …”If I needed advice about being truthful, I wouldn’t seek advice from a chicago politician.”

    LOL

  224. Trig’s latest word was “stfu” I dont’t know where he could have heard it from.

  225. The MSM through the polling they keep pushing is creating a narrative for Obama. The more they “report” the poll results in Obama’s favor (and they never mention the over sampling) the more they pound it into the public that Obama will win in a landslide. On election day when Obama loses, they will push that the Republicans cheated and/or that white Amercia is too r@cist to elect a black president. Either way you get the rioting that has been promised by the Dems.

  226. Swanspirit:

    LOL! I just don’t feel comfortable with that demand though. It’s not a part of her poli sci course but the prof counts who actually attends and it affects the grade. She says it’s worse in class.

  227. Worst moment for me: when B0 started to praise 9.11 – “it made us better”

  228. He needs to tell the students they will need one of the jobs that is going to create.

  229. FLVoter – bingo! Which is exactly what they used to do for W before.

  230. FLVoter – Obama’s supporters are too cowardly and entitled to riot.

    Nothing will happen when McCain wins.

  231. eoe,

    Yup, Look how well W worked out for us.

  232. $200k pledge for the $3million dollar projector for the Planetarium for Obama.

  233. Good one-liner by JM: He thinks taxes are too low. I think spending is too high!

  234. Sarah is kind of adorable.

  235. EOF – I was shocked when Obama brought that up. I know why he did it, but it was unbelievable.

    He’s never met a rightwing talking point he didn’t like.

  236. Madamab,

    The threat is made to frighten voters. No one wants civil unrest, so vote Obama to avoid civil unrest. Very two year old temper tantrum behavior. I do not like anything the “chills” voting. Should be illegal to make threats like that before an election.

  237. Sarah Palin is the GOPs answer to our beloved Ann Richards! This lady can DELIVER! Just caught the end of her speech when I came home. She is an asset beyond expectations. He will forever be beholden to her is he manages a win. A doll!

  238. JM: You don’t have to hope that things will change if you vote for me. You *know* things will change if you vote for me.

  239. And Trig needs to be hurried out of Texas pronto if we are to preserve his innocence!!

  240. Pat – Trig and Piper have gotten a little out of hand. Read above.

  241. votermom – All JM has to do is point to Sarah. Talk about REAL change!!!

    And I agree with Pat J. Sarah is a major asset to McCain’s campaign!

  242. Trig’s first words should not be “STFU”! Palin is amazing! I love her delivery, sense of humor, and poise when delivering those punches. She is better than good!

  243. Does anyone know the name of the rating service that measures blog hits? I peeked over at TL this morning and was amazed that there were so few comments on the posts. I was wondering if their traffic is down.

  244. Alexa.com?

  245. Or something similar to that.

  246. Honora: gary might know. Every so often someone comes in and comments how far up the chain the Confluence is on WordPress output. Not sure myself though.

  247. Worst moment for me: when B0 started to praise 9.11 – “it made us better”

    He wasn’t pandering was he?? OMG i wanted to puke !!! It was truly horrible….. using that moment in history to try and evoke emotion in the audience
    and his stupid wife did not even go to the 9/11 memorial .. I guess that was the danger in holding a real town hall meeting …
    Someone might have asked why she did not go or why didnt your wife tell you who Ayers was ??

  248. Saw the mentions of Bridgett Bardot on earlier thread. She would hate Sarah because of her hunting, not because of politics per se. Bardot has said she hates men now and loves animals [pause for that joke], and she has about 200 cats, 155 dogs, 4 otters, 2 lions, or some such.

    OTOH, I saw a blurb yesterday that hunting by women is a growing sport.

    Me, I have no dog [no pun] in this fight. I’m vegetarian, but grew up on small farm with animals, and was surrounded by hunters. I know a bunch of folks here who hunt partly for the retreat into the woods, the Indian/frontier spirit feelings, and because they want fresher meat that hasn’t been grown on disgusting farms.

  249. Yep, it’s Alexa.com

  250. swanspirit – Obama is completely inaccessible emotionally. I never realized it until the townhall format showed it so clearly.

  251. Well gee, Carol, I wanted a President I could relate to ethnically who got cheated by a lying piece of pond scum, too.

    We don’t always get what we want, dear.

  252. Ooh, McCain-Palin campaign just robo-called me (woman’s voice).

  253. Biden is accusing Sarah of being mean and outrageous. How anyone can take that ass hat seriously is beyond me.

    And although my 4 lunchmates and I agreed to put politics aside today, all 5 of us hardcore Dems are all voting McCain. Take that DNC from your former loyalists in Western MA. It is so incredibly beautiful here in this part of the country today that it makes you forget the other crap that is going on.

    Nature. A wonder.

  254. 9/11 made us better? The stupidity of that comment alone would be enough to deny him access to the Oval Office. Are morons born and bred?

  255. Biden’s just doing his job as VP attack dog, like Palin is. Except that he’s not so good at it and Palin’s brilliant.

  256. yep he is null and void on the emotional scales …classic for a narcissist.. that is why he mood alters with his popularity fix

    http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/riverdaughter.wordpress.com

    WOW nice ratings 🙂

  257. Regency – Just checked out TalkLeft on Alexa.com. They lost a huge amount of traffic in June (after declaring for Obama, no doubt) and have never recovered. However, they get a lot more traffic than we do, still. Darnit all!

    TalkLeft

  258. Oooh, new post up by Garychapelhill!!

  259. What is wrong with hunting? When did that make someone a terrible person? People I work with keep making jokes about Sarah Palin saying “Did she skin a moose at her rally today?”. I always thought that being outdoorsy and such was a plus. Remember when Kerry felt obliged to go hunting in 2004? Is it that Palin is a woman, and women aren’t supposed to hunt? Or is this part of the kitchen sink?

  260. madamab, TalkLeft is getting the same amount of traffic as NoQuarter and for a while NoQuarter got more traffic than TalkLeft.
    Taylor Marsh is officially a has-been. Her traffic even dipped below the Confluence for a while.
    I think TalkLeft is still getting occasional traffic from PUMAs who go to the site to see how deranged Jeralyn has become. I go over there once in a while but that doesn’t mean I’m a fan or that I leave comments anymore.

  261. Thanks so much Regency, swanspirit and madamab- you guys are great and keep me in the know. 😀

  262. The “pond scum” was the DNC & the RBC.

    But if McCain is man enough to push for Hillary’s plan AND confidently give her the credit, as he did in the NYTimes today, then HE is the true bipartisan candidate, and he’s got my vote.

    Can anyone here see President Obama EVER vetoing any bill that ‘s stuffed with Democratic pork?

    Me neither.

  263. They are just trying to portray Palin as the new Ma Kettle. Get enough people to snicker and laugh and you have done your job. Idiots!

  264. OT, I lost power for a couple of hours while blogging on the last thread. I won’t go back over the HOLC but I wanted to let everyone know why I didn’t respond to the comments.

  265. What we need is for McCain’s staff to read the PUMA blogs and start “leaking” the information that we’ve known all along. Sarah, come on over and we’ll surf the internet together….

  266. Carol, on October 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm Said:
    Sarah is relatives with FDR and Princess Diana.

    Obama is relatives with Dick Cheney.

    Any more questions? {{{{{{{{{crickets}}}}}}}}}}}

    Asked and answered!

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  267. Pat Johnson said: “And although my 4 lunchmates and I agreed to put politics aside today, all 5 of us hardcore Dems are all voting McCain. ”

    Pat you are so lucky. My lunchmates are in the box for O, even though one of them was a Hillary supporter. I have to change the subject when they start bashing Sarah or McCain, or risk indigestion.

    Funny: Barky says that Republicans trash Obama because they can’t say anything good about their own nominee.

    Everyday I hear democrats trashing Sarah and McCain — because there is nothing good to say about their own nominee.

    Bots don’t see both sides of it though. I am angered and dismayed to see how rabidly they attack — especially they love to attack our Sarah.

  268. Remember your Obot friends that Jackie and Diana hunted “Fox” and then stick all of your fingers in their eyes.

  269. Remember = Remind

  270. ooooooooooh this is hilarious!

  271. McCain blew it!

    He needed to come out swining. He needed to come out naming names in the Fannie and Freddie Mac debacle.

    Where’s Palin when you need her?

    They needed a true conservative in the ring, anyone, Rudy, Mitt or Fred. McCains bi-partisian crap isn’t going to work. We need Partisian fireworks!! Name Names for God Sake. Call him on his Alliances not Associations. Alliances: Ayers, Wright, Pfligher and Resko. This is not a spelling bee McCain, this is for the Leader of The Free World. Character Matters! Name Friggin Names

  272. Barb,
    “They needed a true conservative in the ring, anyone, Rudy, Mitt or Fred. McCains bi-partisian crap isn’t going to work.”

    The only Democrat who would want a more partisan Republican candidate is one who wants the Republicans to lose. Nothing could be worse for Obama than someone who runs as a moderate willing to work with both sides and has a record of doing so.

    Poor Obama Bush III is having a difficult time. For shame!

  273. anyone notice that barky’s new healthcare plan now sounds eerily like hillarys. of course he took all the credit for it as he has always done. he just disgusts me.

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  276. Hey, I just found this blog. FABULOUS post. I got so bored and fed up with the debate I turned it off. Then I regretted it later because I thought surely something new and interesting would come up. But it didn’t, so I’m glad I turned it off. These debates are turning out to be useless. Ugh.

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