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A Tale from the Street: Why the 30 Percent Solution Is Important

Not the Only Role Model Anymore
Not the Only Role Model Anymore

Coming home from temple yesterday afternoon, I heard a father and his daughter talking as they walked past me. The daughter, who looked like she was in the tween years, was complaining about being short.

The father’s response took my breath away.

“Do you think Sarah Palin is tall? Do you think Hillary Clinton is tall?” he asked his daughter.

Wow. Female role models that aren’t six feet tall and 100 pounds with D-cup breasts. Can I get an Amen? 

Throughout the primary season, Hillary supporters were told how historic the election was for Barack Obama. We got it, believe me. In fact, some of us are AA or have AA friends and family (or both). The symbolic nature of his candidacy was evident.

But what about the historic nature of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy? What about the fact that 52% of Americans are women – that’s a MAJORITY, people – and have never seen ANYONE that looks like them ascend to the highest levels of power in the United States? Why is this impossible for anyone in the media or the Democratic Party to acknowledge?

We know the answer to that, don’t we, ladies? It’s never, EVER our turn. We are to step aside and let the important ones go first. If you have a penis, you may step to the head of the line, especially if you make sure to step over the little ladies on the way.

But John McCain made a bold move with his Vice-Presidential pick. He made it possible this year for us, the MAJORITY of Americans, to have our turn anyway, despite the disgusting machinations of Obama for America. And the endorsement of the head of the L.A. Chapter of NOW for McCain/Palin shows American women that the 30 Percent Solution can, and should, be supported by feminists of every political stripe, without fear or shame.

And that is something we can all look forward to, in these dark and confusing times.

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193 Responses

  1. Yes, yes. Sarah Palin is a powerful blow for feminism!

  2. amen madamab. and good for that little girls father. wish there were more like him.

  3. I have a sinking feeling that we will not see another candidate of Hillary’s qualities emerge for the next 20 years. Possibly in time for one of my granddaughters to become active participants in helping to grease the skids.

    Unfortunately, I do not expect this to occur in my lifetime. We had that chance and she is no longer the nominee. But first things first. We need to be rid of the misogyny.

  4. pat, keep the faith. It will happen, and sooner than we think, I believe.

  5. Clean up in aisle 4:15!

    Thanks for the post and Pat, I agree. I think it will happen sooner than we dare allow ourselves to believe.

  6. Yes, I agree. McCain will win, and Hillary will take VP Sarah to school in 2012. AND Hillary will pick a female VP, too!

    You heard it here first…or maybe not!

    🙂

  7. HIIILLLAAAARRRYYYY!!

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. hee hee hee…Let it all out, fif – it’s good for you! I understand…

  9. I would absolutely loooove to see Hillary debate Sarah. She could school Sarah, just like she did BO, but it would be no contest. It would be great sport though, and respectful each way.

  10. madamab: 🙂 thanx

  11. “Do you think Sarah Palin is tall? Do you think Hillary Clinton is tall?” he asked his daughter.

    Wow. Female role models that aren’t six feet tall and 100 pounds with D-cup breasts. Can I get an Amen?

    AMEN! That’s a beautiful moment. The saving grace in all of this is that both Hillary and Sarah (thanks to John McCain who actually LISTENED to the 18 million shouting voices) have changed things forever in ways that we can’t even see.

  12. I know, fif…and the Obamans that come to my blog are insistent on pretending that McCain is not a feminist and that he’s just “pandering” to us.

    Well, that’s one hell of a giant fucking pander. And I love it!

  13. Thank you so much for sharing this story, that father makes me proud.

  14. What would this country look like if women had not agreed to step aboard a covered wagon and set off into unchartered territory in order for their men to live out their dreams.

    Or if Eleanor Roosevelt had not stood by Marian Anderson. How different would it be without the participation of Alice Paul or Sojourner Truth or Pocahontas? How different would our world appear without the voices of Rachel Carlson or Harriet Beecher Stowe?

    It is through women that life evolves. Women who are the glue to most fabrics of society. Women who lead, guide, nurture, sacrifice, birth. Millions of women for thousands of years and from all over the planet have been the backbone to every society by dint of their nature.

    They have earned their dues and need no apologies. We are not the enemy.

  15. Amen, sister PJ!! What a beautiful post!

  16. Didn’t Obamessiah promise he was going to unite America? John McCain has done so much more to bring ideologically opposed Americans together than party-divider Obama ever could. I think we can expect great things from McCain and Palin, despite the lingering policy differences.

  17. Battlecat – I hope so!

  18. Pat, I agree.

    Hillary is a combination of her grandfather’s social,coal miner’s roots and the best education scholarships in the 60s could provide. Add on the Civil rights movement and all the other movements of that time, and the mix is fantastic.

    Now that this financial crisis has come to a head, I find myself wishing that Hillary had actually started that third party. She would have won hands down.

    But of course if she had been running perhaps that Wall St crisis would not have happened 4 weeks before the election…
    (And I do realise that she had Bill’s heritage to consider, not to mention Chelsea possibly entering into politics….)

  19. Pat,Inspiring!
    Shout out to Harriet Tubman

  20. Battlecat – W said he was going to unify the country too.

  21. Pat J — no, we will not have another women with Hillary’s qualities for another 20 years — that is why we have to ensure an Obama defeat this year, so we can have the real deal in 2012!

  22. PS — I would love to see a Palin v. Hillary contest in 2012 — my lord, can you image the candidates from the 2 major parties being women?!!?!?! That is change I can believe in.

  23. Damn right it’s OUR TURN- we’ve been stepped on too long, told to
    sit down and shut up,go on back to the kitchen, had to do everything twice as hard as a man to get ahead, and look fetching at the same time- No MORE!!

  24. Pat Johnson, on October 5th, 2008 at 4:37 pm Said:

    What would this country look like if women had not agreed to step aboard a covered wagon and set off into unchartered territory in order for their men to live out their dreams.

    More Brokeback Mountains? 😆

  25. And by the way – remember that I live in Blue Blue NYC, so to hear the father mentioning Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton in the same breath was even more exciting!

    By the way, I see a very small Obama presence in my area of the Big Apple. A couple of bumperstickers and an empty storefront that has two or three volunteers and a bunch of posters stuck in the window. Extremely unimpressive…

  26. Both Hill and Sarah Palin went to public schools-that’s a good sign.

  27. “a Palin v. Hillary contest in 2012”

    angienc, that would be the real victory!

  28. There are so many women who have made a radical impact on our societies that it would be futile to try and name all. I should have included the young Ann Frank into the post as we will never know how far she would have gone or how much she would have achieved had she lived.

    But the words and the heart of a 14 year old girl who wrote such powerful renderings while the world around her imploded have always shaken me when I reread that book. A young woman whose words left a mark on the rest of us even after death.

    Girl. Woman. Us. Amazing.

  29. Hillary’s run & now Palin has proven to me that women have equal rights in this country as long as we stay in the kitchen baking cookies, but not if we are running for the WH. Besides the fact that I cannot vote for Obama because of all his hate-filled associates, uses of r@cism & sexism & voter fraud, now I am happily voting for the 30% solution. I’m a proud gynocrat.

  30. Fredster: lol!!!

  31. I want a woman in the White House, damn it!
    Meanwhile, AP editor threatens mcCain to tar him as racist if he changes the subject from the economy
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/ap-blackmails-mccain/

  32. Amen Pat – you are talking about two of my great grandmothers who arrived in Kansas in a covered wagon.

    I have a walnut table in my dining room that arrived there in one of those wagons. My ggm offererd to walk beside the wagon rather than leave the table behind. She wanted something of the life she was leaving. Among her other accomplishments – she had 14 children and played the organ. My sister has the organ.

  33. Pat, well that and ya know…the sheep.

  34. Oh dear, I’m wondering what Kim Gandy, president of NOW will say about this endorsement. Expect the LA president of NOW to be forced to resign soon.

    I approve. I probably would not have approved of this endorsement of Palin if Kim Gandy and NOW hadn’t betrayed us by endorsing Obama. I don’t think Palin or Obama are worthy of a NOW endorsement but at least Palin is a woman. Obama is a sexist man who destroyed the possibility of a woman president anytime soon. He used sexism to win and Gandy was more than willing to jump on the bandwagon rather than making a statement by remaining neutral in this election year, especially after Palin was chosen as VP.

    This is what happens when women don’t stick together. There is a now an obvious rift within the Democratic Party as well as the feminist movement. NOW and NARAL need to grow a spine before we can ever move forward and put a woman in the White House.

  35. sod — exactly — I was talking to my mom (who is voting McCain) and she said it kind of annoyed her that Hillary had to go through all that sh!t (her words — yep, this election has got my mom cursing!) and that Palin was going to just come in a reap the benefits by being elected VP (my mom cannot even fathom Obama winning). I told her that having Palin as VP will just make it easier for Hillary in 2012 — this country will see that having a woman as VP doesn’t cause the sky to fall down, so the same sexist who have been foaming at the mouth at the idea of a vagina anywhere near the WH will lose a lot of their audience.

  36. Dee – My grandmother and grandfather traveled through the West in a covered wagon too. My grandmother was a pianist, and the piano made it to California somehow.

    We kept that piano in the family until it fell apart. I am a pianist and singer just like my grandmother. She was a chapter President of NOW at one point.

    🙂

  37. Ack — I’m in moderation! I think because I used the word “v@gina” Please help!

  38. I know I would never have made it as a pioneer woman. We would not have gotten five miles out of Boston before I started whining about the lack of 7/11’s and my need for coffee.

    If all women were like me back them, civilization would stop about 3 miles from the ocean.

  39. Angie’s talkin’ dirty!

  40. Women, and the men who love us, have to remember, every day from here to Nov. 4th, how women were and are treated by Bo and his camp. They need to keep in mind how Hillary has been used and abused, and the rumour and innuendo about Sarah Palin’s son.

    I was at the pet store yesterday, with a double yelloow headed Amazon on my shoulder ( my buddy, Melosa, goes all over with me), and some people stopped to talk to us. We were doing Parrot 101, why some shouldn’t, why some should, how long they live, all that stuff. The wife was appalled that so many parrots are in shelters. The husband gets a big smile and says to me,”Sarah Palin shot her first rabbit when she was ten!”

    I’m sure he could feel the chill. I said,”So, I guess you’re a vegetarian?” I wenton to say that hunting is an entirely different thing, as long as you eat what you kill. His wife said she agreed and her father used to bring home venison when she was young.

    The idea was that he was positive he had a sympathetic ear with me and my parrot. The truth is a lot different. I have listened and read, and watched this whole election unfold. While I am open to listen to new information, I am perfectly capable of making up my own mind, and have done so. What my mind tells me is that Sarah Palin has a lot more in common with this 61 tear old, always a Dem. lesbian than just a chromosome, and I am proud to support that ticket. That is what a feminist looks like, and this is what a feminist does, she supports her sisters.

  41. There were stretches of the trail to Cali-fornee like Death Valley where people just dumped everything trhat wasn’t essential to surviving the trip.

    Pieces of furniture, pianos trunks full of stuff.

    The stuff sat there for a long time because the wagons that follwed had the same problem

  42. DV – Cbharles showed up here just before the VP debate and announced that Obama was increasing his lead in one state.

    We were snarking and having fun before he arrived, and my response was “You’re just an effen ray of sunshine aren’t you?”

    He shot back a comment I won’t repeat and left without waiting for a response.

  43. Back in the day – you could see entire households set up in the plains because they couldn’t get the weight of the wagon filled with furniture across rivers or up some mountains/hills.

  44. Yes, I love the fact that Paln is inspiring young conservative women just as Clinton inspires young liberal women. Honestly, Palin inspires me! I don’t care that she’s conservative. Unlike other liberals, I’m not blinded to the fact that there are many conservative women out there and I believe they have just as much of a right to be part of the women’s movement as well.

    Too many liberals have reduced feminism down to one issue – abortion. That is an unfortunate mistake. Women’s issues are vast indeed and I can’t wait to have more women in govt on both sides of the left-right divide. Men aren’t grouped into one political group, so why should women be?

  45. And I was appalled when I was reading an interview in NY mag between Gloria Steinam and a young feminist and they were criticizing Palin saying that we don’t need a Superwoman. Somehow Pain doesn’t deserve respect as a feminist icon because she’s so great at being the super-mom and super-careerist — wtf?? Would anyone criticize a man for being too good at what he does? No! He would get the respect that he deserves. I’m so ashamed to see so many so-called feminist women belittling Palin and worse deriding her because she was a former beauty queen (so I guess pretty girls can’t be smart) and even worse, criticizing her for being a bad mother because she can’t be VP and raise a family at the same time. Grrrr!!!

  46. charles wasn’t getting his ass kissed sufficiently so he left. typical. I don’t miss him much either. he took us off his blogroll?? ha!

  47. DV –

    Let me add, I never said Obama wasn’t electable.

    But if I did say it, it still wouldn’t affect the outcome one way or the other.

  48. Ah, I miss Hillary! That’s such a lovely image of her ♥ ♥

  49. Yahoo! is reporting that Karl Rove says BO will have 273 electoral college votes. Sad, but true and I hate to inject that into this otherwise lovely discussion.

  50. DisenfranchisedVoter: He has been known to take comments posted here seriously without regard that sometimes they are nothing more than pieces of humor which are meant to break some of the solemnity of the moment.

    He has been saying for a few weeks that Obama is sure to win and this has gotten on some nerves. His polling analysis and other areas of expertise are always welcomed but when it gets into gloom and doom many shut down. My feeling is that he dislikes any form of challenge to his theories.

    I have come to notice that some commentators are very sensitive about any form of what they perceive as a challenge to their views and often leave upset. Knowing that he has taken this site off his blogroll is upsetting but not the end of the world. He has gone after a few people quite unnecessarily on this site for not “behaving” quite as seriously as he would like. Apparently he has decided that we are not quite up to his standards.

  51. Oh, Fredster and Myiq – you both crack me up – lol

  52. BTW – MadamB – this is terrific – refocuing – good stuff. 😉

  53. mad – I can’t imagine going all the way to California. Where did they start from?

    Sorry you couldn’t keep the piano standing. Funny how many things get passed in families from female to female – like singing, playing the piano and needle work. I have four generations of my ancestors art work in the form of quilts and tatting, although I can do neither. It is all labeled and I hope that whoever goes through my stuff when I die will understand and appreciate what they are holding.

  54. ooops – refocusing

  55. myiq — I came back late to the last thread & saw you talking about Capt. Spaulding coming to ogle my kidneys — I wanted to tell you, that I don’t know about my kidneys, but I’ve got some other parts worth ogling. 😉

  56. angienc, on October 5th, 2008 at 4:47 pm Said:

    PS — I would love to see a Palin v. Hillary contest in 2012 — my lord, can you image the candidates from the 2 major parties being women?!!?!?! That is change I can believe in.
    _______________________________________

    Wow, that would be beyond incredible! What a dream 😀

  57. Last thread, CWaltz came up with a great concept: the neo-Dem. To make it even broader, I first said “neo-prog.” But I think that wasn’t a good term on my part. Let me try again:

    Post-progressive. They’re “post-prog,” rather like neo-cons.

    You might be a post-prog if you display the following characteristics:

    1. Lack of core values. Image matters over issues. Anything BO does is fine — see: FISA, energy, Iran, tours with traveling bands of homophobes — because he does it. He’s the lifestyle candidate, the pol that fits me and my modern lifestyle, my brand that makes me feel good about me! So, he can do no wrong. When BO waffles, flip flops, or betrays progressive or liberal policies like noneother, he’s still Brand BO.

    2. Hypocrisy. Pretend you’re enlightened and ready to heal the world, while painting swaths of your fellow citizens as knuckle dragging, lunchbucket toting, Archie Bunker untermenschen. Talk about them with dripping contempt and if possible, add something like “it’s like they’re living in a different country!”

    3. Cynical use of r@ce as a plaything. Promote the expedient and dangerous meme that r@ce is binary, simplistic, and easily correctable by support for BO. Ignore any communities that don’t fall in the binary and simplistic model. Smear enemies as r@cist. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    4. Embrace the media that you used to insist was corrupt, because they are utterly in the tank for BO. Example: “Gosh, the New York Times used to be the phony lying Iraq War pimping corporately controlled corrupt rag! But now I enjoy the light jazz stylings of editorialists who hate Sarah Palin, not to mention Maureen Dowd’s witty ripostes! I guess the corporate media isn’t so bad after all!”

    5. Demand no accountability of elected pols and particularly not of BO. Judge pols based on their support for BO. “That Kerry, wasn’t crazy about him in 2004, but now he supports the O-man, rock on John!” Demand nothing more from the public except a vote for BO, because that shows correct thinking.

    6. This one is for the future, should BO claim the throne (and BTW, why is McCain even still running? WWTSBQ?): blame all BO’s self-interested, crony, corrupt, vile mistakes on others. It’s not BO’s fault, leave Barry alone! He is more brilliant than the rest of us, and He Has A Master Plan. He’s playing chess, he’s that brilliant! He’s just keeping his powder dry. Also, when anyone asks you why, if r@ce was such a key social issue before the election, you and BO have done nothing to improve r@ce relations in the US, blink and say innocently: “but I vote for Obama! I **CAN’T** be a r@cist.” Also, continue to insist that misogyny doesn’t exist. That’s important.

    “Post-prog.” Your political brandname! It’s you, it’s comfortable, it’s hip, it’s now. Because you’re worth it.

  58. Dee – My grandmother came into the country through Texas, I think – a much shorter trek for her, but still arduous.

    That’s amazing about your ancestors. My family is terrible about that type of thing. I don’t know why but I wish it weren’t true.

    I’m one of those that believes Obama is not electable. Polls thirty days before the election mean absolutely nothing. McCain and Rove have something up their sleeves. You can count on it.

  59. phlamingophred, on October 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pm Said:

    Yahoo! is reporting that Karl Rove says BO will have 273 electoral college votes. Sad, but true and I hate to inject that into this otherwise lovely discussion.
    __________________________________________________

    Let’s hope he’s playing doomsday predictions to wake up the conservative base. I know that I never donated to Hillary until when it went public that she was broke and had to lend herself $$. After that I realized that Clinton needed help and I started donating like crazy.

    I hope Rove is saying this to make Repubs realize that although JM is not their ideal choice, he’s still better than BO.

  60. I think you’re fibbing. I won’t believe it until I see it.

    he he he

  61. Alice – Classic! Brava!!!

  62. phlamingo, let’s put it this way, the medal is not going to make the plane crash.

  63. I am with madamab. We won’t have the answer until November 5th by most accounts. It will be down to a few battle ground states and neither candidate has the edge so far. At least not enough to secure a win 30 days out.

    Just remember the Truman/Dewey election in 1948. We should have been swearing in President Thomas E. Dewey according to the polls.

  64. I never understood all this fascination with polls.

    For the campaigns, polls are necessary tools.

    But for the rest of us, what use are they?

    I”m not going to change my vote based on a poll.

  65. I’m with you Gary! I say do or wear whatever makes you feel safe. I will usually be wearing my gothic cross and medallion with the phoenix on one side and griffin on the other. It’s always worked for me!

  66. sod — I agree — Rove is rounding up the base.

  67. Alice: Bingo!!

  68. OT
    I am leaving in a few minutes on a train trip from LA to Phila to see my family.
    I will be meeting and talking to people all across the country.
    I will wear my PUMA braclet in Chicago.
    I still think the American people are too smart to be hookwinked by backtrack.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  69. I’m trying really hard to not see or hear much political news or poll results. I was way too into it in 2004 and I don’t think my boss wants to lose me into the “post-election” funk this time around. Of course he’s also freaked out that we’re voting the same way this time.

  70. myiq — the fascination with the polls is because the powers that be think we are sheep — the polls say x is going to win, so vote for x or don’t bother. Unfortunately, for some that tack works. It didn’t really help Obama in WV, KY or SD, though, or on “Super Tuesday” either, come to think of it. Maybe they think the third time is the charm.

  71. Have a great trip Helen. I got my Hillary t-shirt in the mail last week and have been wearing it around Manhattan. I guess even though there are lots of Obamabots here there are also lots of former Hillary supporters. I haven’t received any comments yet but I’ve noticed several people look at the t-shirt on the street and smile in recognition. Good to know there are secret PUMAs even on the Upper West Side.

  72. Hi, great post … women always seem to be kept waiting … we should be a lot more impatient

    kinda ties into what I plan to post today (already up on my blog) … it’s time we start saying no and stop playing nice

  73. Diarists like Anglachel, Charles, Atrios, even Mandos, are highly educated to the point that they often forget that their audience is often comprised of the average voter. When they talk to us they may not do it knowingly, but it comes across as very condescending and they speak to us as if we should know exactly where they are coming from.

    This is not always the case. They are not speaking to us but down to us and it gets on their nerves as well as ours when a common ground is not met. Thus the petulance and the withdrawal. We are not all Ph.Ds with the ability to speak multiple languages and have traveled and lived all over the world.

    We don’t deserve to be “spanked” for not having the ability to swallow everything that is being said. Excising us for that reason says more about them than us to be frank.

  74. helen – Good for you! You are an awesome PUMA!!!

    {{{helen}}}

  75. If I was running the GOP I would want Obama to win. He’s their dream candidate.

    Obama will give them everything they want (like FISA) and is less likely to stand up to them than McCain.

    Obama will be too busy standing up to the Democratic voters.

    He has a whole bunch of skeltons that the GOP cand drag out for the mid-term dance, and whoever wins is likely to be very unpopular in 4 years because things are fucked up and they aren’t getting better anytime soon.

    The cherry on top is they can get him to drag the their bacon out of Mesopotamia and then blame him for “losing” Iraq!

  76. helen: Enjoy!!! We will be here when you get back.

  77. dakinikat – I was hoping to see you. What’s up with the whole Wachovia/Citigroup/Wells Fargo fight? Is Wachovia just looking for more money?

  78. PJ – Those folks are educated, but they are not nearly as smart as we are.

    At least we know when we are being condescended to and used.

  79. yup, plamingophred, they’re looking for the best deal possible for their shareholders … that would be more money …plus, it’s more likely to go through since citigroup is already huge

  80. myiq2xu, was wondering if Mandos was going to take on SNL next … did you see it last night?

  81. DisenfranchisedVoter, on October 5th, 2008 at 5:30 pm Said:

    I should wear my Hillary shirt more around Manhattan more. I do wear my brown t-shirt that has her turquoise signature on it, but only true Hillary fans would know what it is since it’s rather subtle. I was thinking of making a Hillary Clinton for President 2012 tee. I’m sure that would infuriate my friends, hehe.

    I live in Soho and I have to pass the Obama team frequently on Prince St on my way to the subway. It takes a lot of self-control to not snap at them 😀

  82. btw, just wanted to share that since about March of this year, I’ve started reading a lot of biographies of powerful women leaders in history. I’ve read bios on Elizabeth I, Mary Queen of Scots, Catherine the Great, Cleopatra, Marie Antoinette, Abigale Adams, Eleanor of Aquitaine & Madame de Pompadour. Now, I’m reading a bio of Joan of Arc. It has really helped me to get through the awful sexism we have been witnessing during this election cycle to read about these women. Maybe some of you here would get the same benefits as I have.

  83. freyjanyc – I will be on Spring Street on Tuesday for a job interview. Too bad I can’t wear either of my Hillary t-shirts!

    🙂

  84. madamab – wear your PUMA bracelet. It’s subtle, goes with everything and you’re recognizable to other PUMAs.

  85. angienc: I read the biography of Eleanor of Aquitane and Marie Antoinette this past year. Strong women but still under the domination of males. I read Elizabeth 1 a few years ago and I believe her thinking was more controlled by her male side than her female side. Interesting just the same.

  86. Y’all may have heard rumors I am opinionated on lots of stuff, which makes my personality even more enjoyable.

    There is some truth to that. I am also stubborn and hate to admit mistakes.My mom says it’s not my fault, it’s in my jeans.

    Barring some dramatic and unexpected news in the interim, I would be embarrassed to do a 180 degree flip-flop on anything

    I also would not agonize publically over a tough decision.

  87. In moderation with people holding Obama signs and looking fiercely at my PUMA bracelet. Please release me. Let me go.

  88. myiq2xu, on October 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pm Said:
    Y’all may have heard rumors I am opinionated on lots of stuff, which makes my personality even more enjoyable.

    Too true!

  89. myiq: You needn’t apologize to anybody for anything. Except perhaps our poor mother.

  90. dakinkat

    Part of it. Were you referring to the bail-out news conference?

  91. I meant to say “your poor mother”. That typo may lead one to believe that myiq and I are related. Nothing could be further from the truth!

  92. Pat – you don’t really think the Obamabots would recognize a true PUMA, wearing a bracelet or not, if we went up and bit them, do you?

    And hey, we can do the “I have a bracelet too” dance!

  93. Crap – I never bought a PUMA bracelet! I was waiting till I got a job.

    Still waiting….

  94. myiq2xu: yup that one

  95. phlamingophred: I love my bracelet too! Worn it every day since I received it. Prompts a lot of questions. Good thing.

  96. Pat J — on Marie Antoinette, I read “The Journey” by Antonia Frasier & I read “Queen of Fashion” by Caroline Weber — that on was really, really interesting because Weber really explores how Marie Antoinette used her clothing to make political statements & give herself the illusion of power with her husband that she really didn’t have. I highly recommend it.

  97. Oh Helen lucky you! I love traveling by train. Enjoy!

  98. hate to be the slow one here, but why is myiq apologizing?

  99. madamab – sending good job vibes your way
    sm77 – sending more along to you today as well

    angienc – how did the theraflu work out for you last night?

  100. Oh and just wondering, how long did it take you folks to get your bracelets? I’m still waiting.

  101. Pat:

    I’m telling mom what you said!

  102. angienc: I would have to check in my library to see if the book I had on Marie was written by Antonia Frasier. But I got it last year from Book of the Month Club. Another good one, and she did it ALL, is Catherine the Great. The Britney Spears of her time.

  103. plamingophred — thanks for your concern — that makes up a teensy tiny bit for your inability to appreciate Audrey Hepburn. I feel great today, so the TheraFlu must have worked (although I also slept in — until 10:00 a.m.! I feel like an heiress — so that may have helped too).

  104. :*(

  105. Did I apologize for something?

    Did I seem sincere?

  106. kenoshaMarge: I received mine about 4 weeks after I ordered it so I want to say at least 2 months ago.

  107. Pat J — I loved reading about Catherine the Great — they really did break the mold with her.

  108. Thanks phlamingophred! 🙂

    myiq – I enjoy opinionated people. Perhaps it is because I am so easy-going about everything myself.

    😉

  109. Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder. You sounded as sincere as Joel Osteen on any given day. Will this answer suffice?

  110. myiq — I thought your whole “Y’all may have heard rumors I am opinionated on lots of stuff, which makes my personality even more enjoyable.” was an apology for something.
    Yes, you sounded sincere.

  111. it is disgusting that all women’s groups are not supporting the woman on the ticket.

    All because of choice. Amy Siskind does have the right idea, to put choice out of the equation when speaking of women’s rights. We will only be divided by that issue.

    Everything other womans issue is ignored and spins off that one issue alone.

    I for one am tired of it. We need women’s groups that aren’t fixated on choice. We need groups that are fixated on choice. But keep them separate, because we will always be able to be divided over that one issue alone. If we have strong women’s groups that focus on other issues we can find common ground.

  112. I am so opinionated I sometimes cannot even stand myself!

  113. I am currently reading “Women of the House,” about female fur traders in early colonial days in NY.

    Just started it, but it is fascinating!

  114. taggles: Well put. I am a fan of Amy Siskind and how she measured those issues.

  115. pat, angie, have you ever read anything about the “Malinche”? she is sort of a mother figure to Mexicans. She was Cortes’ translator and is both revered and reviled by Mexicans. she reprsents the intersection of european and indigenous cultures that dominates their history. Octavio Paz, who is amazing to read anyway wrote about her in “The Labyrinth of Solitude”.

  116. Pat J — lol — I”m so opinionated I have opinions on things I know and/or care nothing about (i.e. the pinch hitter rule in baseball — and for the record, I’m against it — it is supposed to be 9 men against 9 men — the pitcher should have to bat).

  117. And despite the fact that Palin is certainly no Hillary she is a strong accomplished woman who has been recruited to places of political power because others recognized something special in her.

    Her accomplishments are laudable for any woman and she should be recognized for them. She didn’t get an 85% approval rating being a mindless, do-nothing, bimbo.

  118. gary — heck, I’ve never even heard of Malinche — but if you recommend her, I’ll check her out as soon as I’m done with St. Joan (my fav. saint, btw)

  119. What I find really interesting are the people that actually take offense at my alias.

    It started out as a joke, and still is.

    But now it’s also an early-warning alarm for humorless pricks and people with self-esteem issues.

    People like that never seem to warm up to me for some reason.

  120. gary: No, I have not. I am always looking to someone to offer more eclectic reading material although I will admit, except for my monthly Book Club and a few stragglers, I have put a lot of reading aside due to this election.

    Do you think Amazon may have some of her books online?

  121. wow, i wish i had time to read those things … all i do is research any more, i’m hoping I can take off next summer and just hang around, garden, cook and read

  122. taggles – Word, sister Sheri!

  123. Pat – Pastor Joel isn’t sincere?

    angienc – I don’t remember saying I don’t appreciate Audrey, just that I don’t particularly like her movies. I’m more about the guys anyway – Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, Edward G Robinson. I escpecially like the movies with Bogie, Peter Lorre and Sydney Greenstreet.

  124. Pat are you saying that you have an opinion on whether crows can be trained or not to pick up quarters and make you rich?

    This fascinated me:

  125. angienc — “Queen of Fashion” sounds interesting. I bought it a while ago because of my interest in fashion, but I didn’t realize that it dealt with how she used fashion as a power tool. I haven’t read it yet, but now I am going to start reading it tonight!

    Were there other books about strong female leaders that you enjoyed? I need to start a collection.

  126. myiq — your alias is the sexist thing about you! 😉
    I agree — people who can’t laugh are lame.

  127. I’m off to fix dinner and watch the Amazing Race – not sure if I’ll be back tonight, but y’all are addicitive, so probably.

  128. hey sista madamab! got the show tonight at 8 with Rose Clemente, please tune in.

  129. myiq: May not mean much, but I find your humor irresistible. And those who have not visited your blog, Klownhaus, this offers a different perspective on you as a serious minded essayist.

    For those who “don’t get you”, so what? I don’t “get” Obama and I don’t think this makes me a bad person.

  130. La Malinche – La Llorona

  131. you have got to read everything by Sor Juana de la Cruz. late 17th century mexico. She was such an incredible intellectual and force of nature that they didn’t know what to do with her. she was also believed fervently that women should be as educated as men, so that they would have equal representation in the academic world…I guess she was a 30% solution woman too

    Oh, how much harm would be avoided in our country if older women were as learned as Laeta and knew how to teach in the way Saint Paul and my Father Saint Jerome direct! Instead of which, if fathers wish to educate their daughters beyond what is customary, for want of trained older women and on account of the extreme negligence which has become women’s sad lot, since well-educated older women are unavailable, they are obliged to bring in men teachers to give instruction…As a result of this, many fathers prefer leaving their daughters in a barbaric, uncultivated state to exposing them to an evident danger such a familiarity with men breeds.

    this was written in the 1600’s.

  132. Pat Johnson, on October 5th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Which book on Catherine the Great did you read?

  133. We should compile a list of books on great female leaders! I would like to learn more about the history of how females have led and contributed to society.

  134. oooh, very cool, Sheri! I will do my very best but Sunday nights are not good for me. In any case, that is awesome and I can listen tomorrow! Congratulations on a great “get!”

    myiq – I find you hilarious! (mimicking Jewish mother) “Who could not like you?”

  135. pat, I suggest reading Octavio Paz, Labyrith of Solitude. you can find it in english anywhere. it’s not all about her, but about the mexican people in general. He is (was) a nobel laureate, and his writing is beautiful. I highly reccomend it.

  136. This video is amazing. About 1:30 into it, Shelly Mendel, President of NOW LA, introduces Sarah Palin at a rally in Carson, CA:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/05/video-palin-introduced-by-president-of-la-chapter-of-now/

    Who would have thought the Republican Party would be trumpeting a feminist, while the Democratic Party would be bashing her?

    Change!

  137. freyjanyc — I love fashion & that is why I bought the book too — it is great & you will love it.

    I also recommend Alison Weir’s “The Life of Elizabeth I” & “Eleanor of Aquitaine” Virginia Rounding’s “Catherine the Great: Love, Sex and Power” & Eveyln Lever’s “Madame de Pompadour: A Life”

    You know, I just realized that all the books I’ve been reading are not only about women — they were written by women. I guess the subjects were not that interesting to men.

  138. angie –

    You know, I just realized that all th e books I’ve been reading are not only about women — they were written by women. I guess the subjects were not that interesting to men.

    Yet ANOTHER reason to promote the 30% Solution. History is written by the winners, and so far, women have not been the winners…

  139. freyjanyc: Let me go downstairs and check my bookshelves. Not sure who wrote it. I will leave you a message on the blog.

  140. Some people chose to be on the right side of history, win or lose, because it IS the right side.

  141. madamab — d@mn right, sister!

  142. Sarah Palin really impressed me during the VP debate when she looked right into the camera and said she wasn’t aopposed to civil union but she was opposed to gay marriage.

    I don’t agree with her on the issue, but she gave a no-nuance, no-bullshit response.

    With Obama, you can’t be sure what he really believes.

  143. myiq, that part was great, she actuallly made Biden admit that there is absolutely no difference between Obama or Mccain on that issue.

  144. Apologies..I’m posting this in response to RiverDaughter’s post downstairs, since people have moved to this thread. I”ve already said so last week, but I’m posting it again.

    I voted for McCain/Palin last Tuesday, in Ohio. And as I said, I didn’t feel once twinge of guilt.

    I know what the alternative is…jus sayin.

  145. I don’t think Obama really knows what he believes … his positions are based soley on strategies to forward his ambition and ego

  146. taggles: I love TED! For anyone interested you can google TED and watch a group of people who meet yearly to discuss innovations and new ideas. And it is never boring!

    And yes, I believe you can train crows to do other things as Joshua Klein has presented. If dogs can be trained so can other species of the animal kingdom. The crow presentation showed some native intelligence at work.

  147. madamab — ps — and it was the MEN who couldn’t stand a powerful, smart, sexual woman like Catherine the Great who started that rumor about the horse which was had not an iota of truth in it, but has spread to the extent that many people think it is true! Men rewriting history to downplay the importance of the women.

  148. I’m back from gross-cery shopping. Have drive 4 miles to Bravo Supermarket to get a good deal on fresh veggies.

    MadamaB, WOW! I loved Mr. Temple Dad’s response. More dad’s like that are needed in the world. I hope you didn’t mind me using your playlet format last night for my “Encounter with an Obama Cnavasser” last night, but it was the only way that I thought could tell the incident better.

    30% IS THE SOLUTION. I on’t care what the heck their party affiliation is. Kathy Castor is a Pelosi wanna-be, but if there’s another more liberal female that is her opponent, I’ll vote for her instead. But in the meantime, Kathy Castor has my vote. Castor also opposed the bailout 2 times, so I kinda like her chutzpah for that. She’s also done great work with foreclosed families & getting federal funds to help out locals in my district. For that, I thank her.

  149. destardi: a woman has to do what she has to do

  150. Many of the great woman leaders in history were put on the throne or into the office by men who planned to control them.

  151. Pat Johnson, on October 5th, 2008 at 4:37 pm Said:
    What would this country look like if women had not agreed to step aboard a covered wagon and set off into unchartered territory in order for their men to live out their dreams.

    Or if Eleanor Roosevelt had not stood by Marian Anderson. How different would it be without the participation of Alice Paul or Sojourner Truth or Pocahontas? How different would our world appear without the voices of Rachel Carlson or Harriet Beecher Stowe?

    It is through women that life evolves. Women who are the glue to most fabrics of society. Women who lead, guide, nurture, sacrifice, birth. Millions of women for thousands of years and from all over the planet have been the backbone to every society by dint of their nature.

    They have earned their dues and need no apologies. We are not the enemy.

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AMEN Sister Pat!!!!!

  152. dakinikat, on October 5th, 2008 at 6:15 pm Said:
    ——————————–

    I’m a guy…gay, but still slightly different anatomically speaking. 🙂

    I’m amazed at how many of my friends have been brainwashed into thinkin a politician with a D in front of their name is automatically best friends to teh gayz.

    UGHHHH

  153. taggles, on October 5th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    I agree. I truly believe that the issue of choice is a wedge issue and is doing a lot of harm by keeping women divided rather than united.

    I agree that we need more diversity in women’s political groups. As long as choice is the sole reason for existing, then the women’s movement will never make as much progress as they could. I agree that we need some groups that work for the choice issue, and other groups that are more inclusive and deal with issues that women of all political stripes can agree on. There are so many non-controversial goals of feminism that are being held up over the left-right divide on choice. We need a bi-partisan NOW.

  154. freyjanyc: My copy of Catherine the Great was written by Zoe Oldenbourg. The title is the same. It was published in 1965.

  155. freyjanyc @ 5:12–

    I am convinced that many liberals USE Roe v Wade as a smokescreen. As long as women are preoccupied with the choice issue, the Dems don’t have to do anything about the REAL problems we face.

    It’s not real feminism, it’s just dog whistling to women, to keep up quiet and compliant. As far as I’m concerned, it’s the Republican Party that has done more to break the glass ceiling than the Democrats. I’m voting McCain/Palin.

  156. destardi … great thing about on line names, you can remain sexless …

    and yes, D’s sell out who they can simply on the basis that they are supposedly less worse than the R’s … they never do anything forward looking or help, they just say yes, we support you and fall in now!

  157. this election and the Obots attempt to use Roe as a club to beat us into submission has proven to me that men are using choice to keep the 52% of us apart — it is the oldest weapon in the book — divide & conquer.
    It isn’t working on me this time — I’m voting for the ticket with a woman on it.

  158. {{Sigh}}

  159. In fact, that is going to be my new motto for this election:

    “Vote for the Woman. It’s Important”

  160. I wish people would stop using sex organs to make their point. It doesn’t fly. My son is fully equipment and hasn’t a sexist or misogynistic part in his body. It is offensive to lump everyone in one sex into a group – that goes both ways. I bet gary and Mawm would appreciate that also.

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  161. ngienc: with that I’m going to post my new thread … it’s such a great lead in!

  162. Taggles:ROSA CLEMENTE?????????

    YOU ROCK!!!!!

    Phlamingo: THANK YOU!!! I’m sending thank you vibes & blessings to you as well! I sure need’em, and forever grateful to be a part of such a great and wonderful group of people as the Confluence. Great hearts with great minds. Love you always!

  163. Angie:

    The Roe v. Wade threat by Obots was “vote for Obama and you won’t lose anything you already have”

    That’s still their final offer

  164. Yes, I’m curious how BO would’ve responded to the gay marriage issue. At least, Biden was direct and honest and let the gay community know that there is bi-partisan support against gay marriage 😦

    But Obama probably would’ve stammered away, whisper he’s against gay marriage and then say that the morals of it is above his pay grade. 🙄

  165. angienc — thanks for the recommendations. I’ll add them to my Amazon wish list 🙂

  166. Carol, on October 5th, 2008 at 6:24 pm Said:

    I wish people would stop using sex organs to make their point.

    But some of them do point…

  167. stxabuela –

    I am convinced that many liberals USE Roe v Wade as a smokescreen. As long as women are preoccupied with the choice issue, the Dems don’t have to do anything about the REAL problems we face.

    Exactly. EXACTLY!

    I already got a nasty little bot on my own site, sneering at me that I am voting for a man who called his wife a c__t in public and repeating the BS story about Sarah and the rape kits.

    I’m thinking, who cares what McCain calls his wife?! What about what Obama has done to millions of women for the past 18 months?! And more importantly, McCain appointed a woman as his VP! That is REAL FEMINISM and REAL PROGRESS.

    Some people will do anything to preserve their own illusions about themselves. If you are spreading lies and having a f&cking meltdown about Sarah Palin, I strongly suspect that her positions have nothing to do with it. It’s all about teh scary v*gin*.

  168. Carol:

    That’s not what I use my sex organs for.

  169. Fredster – I do stand corrected.

  170. scary Klown – I am afraid.

  171. sheep go baaaaaa

  172. angienc, on October 5th, 2008 at 6:15 pm Said:

    madamab — ps — and it was the MEN who couldn’t stand a powerful, smart, sexual woman like Catherine the Great who started that rumor about the horse which was had not an iota of truth in it, but has spread to the extent that many people think it is true! Men rewriting history to downplay the importance of the women.
    ____________________________________

    Hmm…interesting. My friend from Latvia was telling me about how Catherine the Great loved sex with horses and had a special bed made for it. I hadn’t known it was just a rumor. Obviously I don’t know enough about Russian history.

  173. myiq – And they’re still lying! If I vote Obama, soon I will have to talk to my “husband and pastor” if I want to take charge of my own reproductive organs. Not to mention that Obama hasn’t done one goddamn thing (except sign a letter written by Hillary) to prevent Bush from declaring that some forms of birth control are “abortifacients.”

  174. I’m with you as always madamab. You know, that whole story about McCain calling his wife a “c” is — I hate to say it — overblown. A lot of people, especially ex-military, use vulgar language that they don’t “mean” — I’m not trying to make excuses for the use of that language, but the fact is one isolated incident isn’t the same as making your career off of sexism (as Obama has done in this primary).

  175. One thing that the women’s and gay movement has learned from this primary is that we can’t just trust Dems on everything. By choosing any Dem as the lesser of two evils, we strip our voices of power since the Dems feel that they don’t have to do much for our votes. The Dems are more than happy to use a few hot-button issues to keep us in our cages.

  176. It is a wonderful thing for young women to have powerful smart women for role models. The Brittany Spears and Paris Hiltons of the world have made a mess out of a lot of young women. I must be getting old because I remember when it was Madonna that young women aspired to be like.

    MountainSage

  177. Gold and black goes with everything!

  178. “The Dems are more than happy to use a few hot-button issues to keep us in our cages.”

    We just broke free, freyjanyc!

    Mountain Sage, Madonna wrote her own songs, cultivated her own image, commandeered her own marketing, and did it all her way. She was one of the first celebrities to wear red ribbons, long before they became obligatory fashion accessories. She loudly proclaimed her support for gays and lesbians decades before advertisers on corporate television noticed gay money. Not only that, most of her music was really good (especially in the 80s). 24 years later, she’s still going strong in a collapsing industry full of manufactured teenage pop acts. Who wouldn’t want to aspire to be like her?!

  179. madamab, on October 5th, 2008 at 6:12 pm Said:

    angie –

    You know, I just realized that all th e books I’ve been reading are not only about women — they were written by women. I guess the subjects were not that interesting to men.
    …..

    Yet ANOTHER reason to promote the 30% Solution. History is written by the winners, and so far, women have not been the winners…
    _________________________________________________

    AMEN!! 30% solution should be the bare minimum! I’d say more like 52% solution, but we have to start somewhere. The more female leaders we have in power, the far broader range of women’s issues will get addressed. Yes, history is written by the winners so we need to get more women in office to win. However, it’s foolish to expect every female leader to be perfect. Too many want to wait for that one perfect woman to be 1st POTUS. That is a mistake — there will never be a perfect woman. HRC was the closest IMO, but she wasn’t perfect either. Thankfully, JM was willing to choose an accomplished young woman as his VP and I’m proud of that fact. Being in my 20s, it’s nice to have both an older and a younger female role model. They have different energies and I like the contrast. I don’t care that Palin is conservative…I’m proud of all that she’s accomplished in such a short time.

    In my college entrepreneurship class last year, the issue of work-family balance was the main concern for female entrepreneurs. However, most focused on having small businesses rather than dream big. I dream big…I want to have a multinational company that competes with the big boys. I was frustrated that there wasn’t much focus on how women CEOs of huge companies manage the career-family issue. Personally, I’m exhilarated that Palin has 5 kids (the most I would have is 1 probably) and has been able to pursue her career full throttle. I admire that and it’s very inspiring to me to listen to her because she’s learned how to prioritize and she doesn’t believe in either/or when it comes to family & career. Now that’s what I call feminism! I may not agree with her over culture issues, but I have the utmost respect for her and just seeing her inspires me the way Clinton has inspired me since I was a kid.

    I love that Palin’s stirring up the women’s movement on the conservative side…the more that conservative women see a female role model as a potential future POTUS, the more they’ll get involved politically in women’s issues. And that to me is victory.

    McCain/Pain 2008

    ♥ ♥ Hillary Clinton for POTUS 2012 ♥ ♥

  180. Pat Johnson — thanks for the title & author. I’ll be sure to check it out 🙂

  181. Love reading this thread as a drive by. Hope that doesn’t offend anyone.

    Also please remember Sandra Day O’Connor, first woman on the Supreme Court, whom iirc, was appointed by Reagan and much feared by the Dem establishment as a threat to abortion rights. She always maintained the basic right to choose.

  182. The 30% solution will be a good goal…let’s make it reality.

  183. Hey I am back and I was out and about on the streets and had a great thing happen.

    I went to this local mom and pop art supplies store and I got my markers and went to check out. The owner is a woman, I would say late 50’s, and she is really nice. I have always chit chatted with her and today I was feeling bold. I asked her did she watch the debate
    and she said Oh yeah.

    Then she proceeded to tell me that she was undecided because she has always been a DEM but while she had no issues with Obama she did not like the democrats in congress in general. I told her I was voting for McCain, which shocked the hell out of her because I am black. She seemed relieved that I said that. She told me that she had also supported Hillary. Her dilemma was this: She should vote for BO because he is inspiring so many little black
    kids.

    This is why I am an idea PUMA- A black PUMA, here to extinguish votes that come to Obama out of White Guilt.

    I explained to her that I know what it is like to grow up black and w/ single parent, food stamps ect. That I too attended an Ivy League school and I have a graduate degree. That black kids need to see the strength in themselves. Chicago has more crime since BO has been senator. She said she knew that. Long story short. I got us a McCain vote by the end of that conversation.

    She needed me a black woman to tell her that it was okay not to vote for BO. She is not a racist.

    Even if Obama wins, there will still be teenage pregnancy, drop outs and drug usage among AA’s. Obama has done nothing for AA youth in Chicago, Illinois.

  184. Diarists like Anglachel, Charles, Atrios, even Mandos, are highly educated to the point that they often forget that their audience is often comprised of the average voter.

    Mandos is a twit. I banned him from my blog for stupidity, among other things. He’s the kind of person who speaks at great length about things of which he hasn’t the faintest understanding.

    He actually has always struck me as being painfully under-educated. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a teenager.

  185. Violet Socks – He sounds like a teenager to me too. A boring teenager, at that.

  186. Hannity on Fox about Obama’s Columbia years is on now. So far it’s very good.

    Next up – Obama as a community organizer and connection with Ayers.

  187. Nobody but nobody will ever replace Hillary in my heart or in politics. She is the epitome of grace. I don’t know of a single other woman who is a smart and talented as Hillary is.
    The American people lost out this year to a great American representing us in the political world.
    We all know that Hillary is a strong and powerful woman, and she will be back, this time she’ll be ready for them, the MSM, the DNC, the caucus fraud, the lying, cheating and outright stealing of this election.
    She will be ready, and I will be waiting with my support and my vote.

  188. This election is now between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle DumbO. Hillary opened the flood gates, though, to a new appreciation of feminism and its goals by younger women who did not appreciate the hihstoric struggles of their mothers and grandmothers. Chelsea’s tribute to her mom the night of Hillary’s Speech on the occasion of the ex-Democratic Party’s coronation of the Anorexic Resume mentioned how all the younger women should appreciate that “the shoulders on which they were making their progress”.
    Thanks to Hillary we now have Sarah Palin at the V-P level, although I agree with Semidi above that Palin’s feminist creds leave a lot to be desired. But, faithful to the 30 Percent Solution I must say to McCain “Well done!” In Canada, Elizabeth May, the Green Party Leader who gets 10% of the electorate, was denied participation in the Debates and it was the New Democratic Party (the one that installed Universal Healthcare for Canada and the most progressive) that refused Elizabeth May a seat at the Debate Table. Public outcry followed against the politicians and the media and, guessed it right, May sat at the Debate forum and the formerly vicious media sang her “best debater’ virtues to the sky! And we were all spared the sight of 4 dark empty suits! Listening to May I could not help but compare her to Hillary!

    30% Solution = Feminist Win

    Thanks for wonderful posts and the Puma Spirit! It’s contagious!…

  189. Daddy’sDarling

    Yes! “Nobody but nobody will ever replace Hillary in my heart or in politics”! How could they possibly? For they’d be only poor quality xeroxed copies…just like the arrogant anorexic resume that misogyny pushed to the top of the interview files in a tragic farce that had the “Democratic” party yelling at the millions of Hillary’s Rosa Parks: “Back to the End of the Bus, Ladies”….

  190. NOW leader endorses the anti-choice, anti-gay Palin? This boosts feminism only if the sole measure of feminism is crotch politics.

  191. despite the fact that Palin is certainly no Hillary she is a strong accomplished woman who has been recruited to places of political power because others recognized something special in her.

    – I agree.

    ….still missing Hillary though.

    : (

  192. Obama has done nothing for AA youth in Chicago, Illinois.

    – This is very true All Afro American Gal.

    My experience is similar to yours.

    I am Black and some White people are surprised to hear me speaking out against O***a.

    He played this race card to the max, and I’m sick and tired of it.

    McCain/Palin 08

    Hillary 2012

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