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Why has an Army Brigade Been Assigned to Patrol “the Homeland?”

Today I received an e-mail from the American Freedom Campaign (AFC), an organization founded by several prominent liberals, including Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America. Among the list of official supporters of the AFC are Amnesty International and the Center for Constitutional Rights. The AFC e-mail I received alerted me to an unprecentented order by George W. Bush that for the first time in history has assigned an army combat brigade to deal with emergencies and insurrections on U.S. soil.

From Army Times:

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks…

snip

…this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

What are these soldiers going to be doing now that they are officially under the command of NorthCom? They will be trained to use newly developed “nonlethal” weapons like the ones we heard about before the Democratic Convention in Denver.

…they may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

Isn’t it illegal for Soldier to be turned against American citizens? It used to be? But when Congress passed the Military Commissions Act in 2006, they not only allowed Bush to make torture legal, they also permitted him to repeal Posse Comitatus and revise the Insurrection Act.

It was hidden in Sections 1076 and 333 of the John Warner Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Two hundred years of tradition along with the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act prohibit using federal and National Guard troops for law enforcement inside the country except as allowed by the Constitution or authorized by Congress in times of a national emergency like an insurrection. Under the new law, the chief executive can claim a public emergency, effectively declare martial law and send federal and National Guard troops to the nation’s streets to suppress whatever he calls public disorder that may include peaceful demonstrations against wars of aggression and rightful demands for restoration of our constitutional rights now abandoned.

The new law authorizes a direct role for the Pentagon including use and transfer of state-of-the-art crowd control weapons and technology to state and local responders.

I don’t know about you, but I’m officially scared. You can kid me about wearing my tinfoil hat, but it seems very odd to me that Bush is doing this at the same time he was strong-arming Congress into passing a massive bailout on the backs of middle- and working-class Americans based on a financial crisis taking place one month before a presidential election.

Here is the text of the e-mail from the AFC:

What would you do if you learned that President Bush was preparing – in violation of federal law – to use the U.S. military to maintain order within our borders? I hope you would at least take one minute to help us raise awareness about the situation.

For more than 200 years, federal laws have protected the American people against the use of military forces on our own soil. Strengthened in 1878 by the Posse Comitatus Act, these laws have guaranteed that the federal government could not use the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.*

Without such protection, the federal government could use the might of our army to violate state and individual rights. Moreover, minor incursions by the military into domestic law enforcement activity could lay the foundation for the imposition of martial law at a moment’s notice. This is one slippery slope we don’t want to start sliding down.

That is why we should all be deeply disturbed by the news that President Bush has assigned the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team to be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army component of Northern Command (NorthCom). According to an article in Army Times, the soldiers could be called upon for a variety of tasks, including quelling “civil unrest.” They are apparently engaged in training with shields and batons, beanbag bullets, and Tasers.

We need to raise awareness about this threat to our liberty immediately. The American Freedom Campaign believes the best method available at the moment is to send an email to the moderators of the next two presidential debates, urging them to ask the candidates whether they would fully enforce the Posse Comitatus Act.

Please join us in the effort by clicking on the following link:

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2165/t/1027/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26045

In just one minute, you can share your feelings with both Tom Brokaw at NBC and Bob Schieffer at CBS. After you do so, please spread the word by forwarding this alert widely to friends and family or by using the Tell-A-Friend option that will appear on our site after you send your email.

Thanks so much for taking action on this important campaign.

Best,
Steve

Steve Fox
Campaign Director
American Freedom Campaign Action Fund

* In 2006, Congress weakened the Posse Comitatus Act by expanding the list of activities for which military involvement on domestic soil would be permitted. This expansion was largely repealed a little more than one year later, but President Bush issued a signing statement signaling his intention to ignore the repeal.

Now please, somebody, convince me that this doesn’t mean anything and I should breathe a sigh of relief, because our government would never declare martial law or turn weapons against American citizens. Oh wait. They already deployed armed troops in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. So convince me that wasn’t a prelude to something bigger. I beg someone to explain this away. Because I’m officially scared.

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134 Responses

  1. bb. this is strange, but I have a lot of respect for our soldiers, so it would take a little bit more to get me worked up. I just don’t think the military would let itself be used against fellow citizens, but maybe I’m just naive. Now on the other hand, if you start asking where is blackwater and what role do they have in this, then I DO start to get scared sh@#less….

  2. I also start to wonder about Obama’s comment about “civilian militias”. when we start having paramilitary forces in this country its time to start looking at real estate in costa rica imo.

  3. “Paranoia is having all the facts” — William S. Burroughs

    This is no “tinfoily” moment bb — I agree 100% with how you feel. Of course, others may say I’m crazy, but the voices in my head disagree.

  4. well, I guess it is just me, gary & bb home on a Friday night! But I have a good excuse — I have a cold. What are you two doing here?

  5. There is also the agreement with Canada that allow their forces to enter into the US and vice versa, in “times of emergency”.

    “In a political move that received little if any attention by the American news media, the United States and Canada entered into a military agreement on February 14, 2008, allowing the armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a domestic civil emergency, even one that does not involve a cross-border crisis, according to a police commander involved in homeland security planning and implementation.”

    http://tinyurl.com/3vajo2

  6. angie, I don’t get out much, and my partner is out of town, so its just me and the dogs 🙂

  7. gary — I was thinking that mawm had to be out of town! You two are great — I loved your PUMAmobile home movies. I’m here with my dogs, cats (yep, I’m a dog & cat person) & big mug of chamomile tea (I always get sick when the weather starts changing from summer to fall — its an annual ritual).

  8. Um, this didn’t pass the Obama smell test to me.
    So I googled it and went to their site. And here is dear little Obama signing on. Don’t know how real this issue is. But it’s got Obama fingerprints on it.
    Sorry to whap such a big post above, but I thought I’d better give you what I found.

  9. angelasmith — Obama doesn’t mind putting his signature on this (lets face it) worthless “pledge” but he votes FOR FISA. I’ll take Hillary’s voting against FISA any day.

  10. yeah, he’s down at the beach with his mom…seafood festival in morehead city….I had to work and couldn’t go…but hey, at least I have a job 🙂

  11. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) signed the American Freedom Pledge yesterday, expressing his commitment to protecting and defending the Constitution. With Senator Obama’s pledge, all of the Democratic presidential candidates except Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) have now either signed the pledge or have provided the American Freedom Campaign Action Fund with a detailed statement addressing the issues described in the American Freedom Campaign Agenda. (The full agenda is included at the bottom of this release.)
    ———————

    You will notice they single out Clinton. And Moveon.org
    seems to be the seed here. Hmm.
    They also don’t mention where this brigade is to be deployed. Are they in the states?

  12. poor gary — I often think of you & the Obot at that firm!

  13. ooh — Encyclopedia AngelaSmith! Good detective work — as I alluded in my previous comment — they are trying to make this con-man look good by signing this worthless pledge? Hello! He had a chance to vote when it counted that the President wasn’t above the law and that court orders were needed for wiretaps. Anyone who falls for this bs is even dumber then I thought they were.

  14. ooh, I didn’t tell you guys, I had it out with them this morning….they were going on and on about how stupid palin is and I couldn’t take it so I told them the whole deal. Not voting obma, told them why…they acted like I was crazy, but it wasn’t that bad…

  15. angienc,
    I’m just thinking the whole thing is propaganda brought to you by Moveon.org and Obama.
    Get the little college kids all hysterical. Get them to join with their saviour who is going to save them from the big bad government.

  16. I got my LOR’s so I really don’t care. Plus i got them from the partners who are not all that political…LOL…

  17. angelasmith, always assume obama has other darker motives…

  18. I also think it’s rather ironic (or really f**king irritating) that Obama’s talked of a domestic army.
    So puke boy signs his name to this pledge that
    tells everyone he is against the horrible scenario of our army moving against our citizens at the same time he promotes an army that could move against our citizens. Typical Obama.

  19. Gary,

    I’m not getting worked up, but the American Freedom Campaign, while a very liberal organization, is not a fringe group. They organized to try to regain our Constitutional Rights. I hope you looked at the organizations listed on the supporters page.

    I’m not criticizing our soldiers. That’s not what this is about. The founders of our country specifically created Posse Comitatus to prevent something like this from ever happening. Bush took away control of the National Guard from state governors in 2006 when this act was passed. Many governors protested, but they were ignored.

  20. Obama’ s civilian militia? Watch this creepy video:

  21. Gary,

    I tried to find your post about nonlethal weapons–the one you wrote before going to Denver. Do you remember the title of it?

  22. BB,
    I saw the organizations listed. Amnesty International is the only one I am familiar with that I have respect for.
    But having seen Now, Planned Parenthood, Naral,
    the Women’s Media Center and other organizations that I thought stood for something turned to kool-aide slurping idiot fests, I have gotten really wary of endorsements.

  23. bboomer, wow…I had no idea. I am so disinclined to believe anything these days it really makes it hard to trust anything you read. talk about tinfoil hats….lol…did they say anyting about blackwater. they really really scare me.

  24. remember that debate where hillary said she would defund private militias like blackwater, but obama said he would keep them?

  25. bboomer, I don’t think that was me.

  26. I am moving to Argentina.

  27. Good on you gary — I’m glad you “told them off” at work. The fact is whether you agree with Palin’s policies or not, she isn’t stupid & attacking her on her “smarts” is a typical sexist meme that attractive women are airheads. I’m glad they were decent about it though — see, things are NEVER as bad as we imagine them to be, especially when it involves speaking up for yourself — people may not like it, but they respect you for it.

  28. SOD — 1/20/09 — you are already messing up next year’s checkbook! I swear, by the time I start writing my “dates” right after the New Year, it is June!

  29. If it gets bad maybe i’ll go back to spain.

  30. I have a house in Greece & lots of relatives with houses. We can all go there — the beach is great.

  31. And when I say all — I mean all of us who are here tonight — everyone else should have stayed home too, but when you snooze you lose.

  32. SOD I’ll take 3

  33. count me in!

  34. Don’t vote for a the Democrat, and you’ll get your answer.

  35. I’m not sure exactly what this means either, but apparently Nancy Pelosi threatened to declare martial law if holdout congressment didn’t vote for the bailout bill. Apparently there is some kind of congressional martial law. When the speaker declares that, he or she can force a vote on legislation before they have any idea of what is in the bill. There is a rule that members have at least 24 hours to read a bill that is hundreds of pages long, but when the Speaker declares “martial law,” they have to vote on it unread.

    Here is a you tube in which a Repub congressman says he wants time to read the bill but the Speaker has declared “martial law.” Why couldn’t they have a day to read the bill???? They took Tuesday and Wednesday off?

    Here’s another one of a Dem congressman from Ohio who says they were told that if they voted no on the bill, martial law would be declared in the US.

    http://digg.com/business_finance/Rep_Brad_Sherman_Congress_told_Martial_Law_if_vote_is_NO

    Now did he just hear Nancy Pelosi wrong, or is he a nut? I honestly don’t know, but I don’t trust Bush and Cheney, and I don’t trust Obama with domestic army either.

  36. that picture of michelle as a klingon makes me howl with laughter just thinking about it….

  37. Just go over to Small Wars Journal blog and ask for some clarification on that – they are all professionals and many in disagreement with Bush’s policies – just join up, enter one of the many categories of discussion and state your concern and ask for clarificaiton of what this is all about. They will tell you what this is all about. It is probably just some realignment, command and control stuff, putting part A where part B used to be, that sort of thing. There has always been speculation over what percentage rate of unemployment would precipitate wholescale rioting by the American people. If that did happen, both parties would quickly amend the Constitution to allow Federal forces to quell the rioting and there are any number of infantry divisions at home that would be ordered to do so as well as national guard and police auxilaries. It wouldn’t take too many torched banks and government buildings to bring in the troops. That really is the last of my concerns.

  38. Oh sorry Gary. I thought you wrote it. I must be losing my mind……

  39. sod — LOL — besides, women don’t wear tops in Greece so you only need the bottoms.

  40. Scribe — if a Democrat was running, I would gladly vote for him/her.

  41. goesh,

    Do you consider Army Times to be an unreliable source? I have always found them to be very reliable on military matters.

  42. OK…I officially believe Larry Sinclair, in a ‘whitey tape,’ that Obama was born in a manger, and that Michelle is really a Klingon
    ———————-

    lol. State… I believe in three out of four.

  43. scribe, how sad, a dateless troll on a friday night. I’ll pray for you.

  44. Sorry but this sounds like some kind of gimmick.

  45. gary — lol! bless that little troll’s heart, he thinks Obama is a Democrat.

  46. angie LOL..youre right!

  47. Ack! I used the word tr0ll & now I’m in moderation. Here it is again:

    gary — lol — bless that little tr0ll’s heart, he thinks Obama is a Democrat.

  48. angelasmith,

    Obama has nothing to do with this organization. And I don’t believe for one minute that he intends to give up any of the executive powers that Bush has commandeered. Unless you can prove to me that the Army Times article is false, you haven’t whapped me.

  49. ok, i AM wearing my timfoil hat. who is goesh, and how did he/she end up at the right place to make such a detailed comment? are we beign surveilled??

  50. Ok — enough thread “domination” for me — that TheraFlu stuff I took is making me sleepy. I’m getting some rest guys. Good night to all of you here — gary, angelasmith, bb, xax & sod — everybody but the tr0lls.

  51. I am unable to sleep but just knowing that a private army maybe camped on my doorstep in the near future wearing Obama fatigues makes me feel so much safer.

  52. BB, wouldn’t wish to “whap” you in a million years.
    Sorry if it appears that way.

  53. that sounds stunning SOD, do you make them for dogs too??

  54. My local news just reported that there is a 20% surge in my state, coming mostly from college students, asking for absentee ballots. This is considered a major uptick from years past. So all my resident students will be able to vote twice if I count this correctly. Here and in whatever state they to go to school. Just saying.

  55. It’s hard to believe that Bush has handed over to the next pres (please not BO) the $700 bil bailout that smacks of very leftist philosophy and also this militia thingy that smacks of totalitarianism. I’m so confused these days. Angienc, Greece sounds wonderful.

  56. angelasmith,

    I am not an idiot or a tinfoil hatter. I’m actually getting a bit insulted by your comments. I put this post up, because it is something that probably won’t get much coverage in the MSM, but it is very troubling. It has nothing to do with Obama. I’m deleting the lengthy comment you posted with a long article in it. If you want to post it again with a paragraph and a link, that’s fine. But I’m asking you to stop insulting me.

  57. OK, I can’t keep my eyes open anymore. night everyone. Night Bboomer, thanks for the post. talk to you tomorrow 🙂

  58. We already have an Obama chorus, Obama camp, Obama weekends, Obama clothes, Obama tv, Obama press, Obama seal, Obama plane, Obama jewelry, why is it such a leap to consider an Obama Army?

    So far, most of the above has gone uncovered for some of the foolishness and indoctrination it represents so suggesting he may someday form his own army is not too far fetched.

  59. I do think Bush was engaged in all sorts of encroachments on our rights as Americans.
    Under the guise of “protecting us” he has been actively eroding our civil rights ala FISA and the Patriot Act.
    He was involved in drawing power from us as individuals and from the states as entities.
    I think you’re right to find that very troublesome.

    However, if you look at the press release from
    AFC that I posted above, you will see the politicized nature of this. Obama is cited as having signed on.
    Clinton is singled out as having not signed on.
    MoveOn is involved.

    At the bottom of the press release is this note:

    ** Please note that these organizations are not involved in the effort to have presidential candidates sign the American Freedom Pledge. **

    So, I think there is a real issue here, but I think Obama is using it to his political advantage. That makes me very wary.

  60. Bostonboomer,

    I didn’t write anything insulting to you. I remarked on the information in your post. I wish you hadn’t deleted the press release from AFC because it is the organization source you cited.

    I wish you would tell me how I insulted you. I just posted above that I certainly did mean to.

  61. Angelasmith,

    This comment from you is what I was responding to:

    “Um, this didn’t pass the Obama smell test to me.
    So I googled it and went to their site. And here is dear little Obama signing on. Don’t know how real this issue is. But it’s got Obama fingerprints on it.
    Sorry to whap such a big post above, but I thought I’d better give you what I found.”

    ________________________________

    You seem to be implying that because Obama *signed* a pledge written by this organization my post is BS. I’ll ask you the same thing I asked another commenter: Do you think the Military Times is an unreliable publication? I have never found it to be so.

    I am extremely concerned about the creeping fascism that I have seen under Bush. One of the reasons I fear an Obama presidency is that he appears to have a very authoritarian personality. In addition, like Bush, he is an obvious front man for the Wall Street investment banks. They have given him–a first term Senator unprecedented amount of money.

    From the Patriot Act to the Torture Bill (Military Commissions Act) to the FISA revision bill, I see my country turning into a police state, and I don’t like it.

  62. wow… bostomboomer. bad time for me to make a typo. I meant to say, “I just posted above that I certainly didn’t mean to.”

  63. Just a side note here .. haven’t been able to read all the posts here yet .. so if I repeat .. please forgive me.

    This is old news … Bush passed some bill or signed some executive thing .. that said he could declare martial law anytime .. There was a big stick about it at that time . um … I guessing here .. about 2 & 1/2 years ago or so ….

    There have also been articles about Blackwater etal who are setting up in certain states .. I know here in Ca. there was a big fight about them buying up a bunch of land to have one of their .. whatever you call them training places .. holding places etc.. I don’t know the outcome .. but oh gosh – I can tell you the strength against was awesome ..

    I’m not making myself clear .. what I am trying to say is

    this is an outward manifestation of what has been happening since the Patriot Act .. etc.. I read that piece in the Army Times about what ?? .. two weeks ago or so . I do know some military people ………..at another time I will share with you some of their thoughts and their anticipations plus a moderate concern .

  64. Did anyone consider that this brigade is being deployed within the US because:

    1) There is actionable intelligence of a terrorist threat
    2) There is a concern about rioting after Obama loses the election.
    3) All of the above.

  65. When Bush is on his 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay, I’ll believe he’s leaving . Very little stands between us and marshall law .

  66. Boston Boomer . .Every thing you are saying is absolutely legitimate .

    The Military Times is a legitimate respected paper .

  67. Angelasmith,

    I linked to the American Freedom Campaign website in my post. As I said, it’s fine with me if you post another comment and link to the press release. But the press release is in no way related to my post about an army brigade being permanently assigned on U.S. territory and under the control of NorthCom. NorthCom itself is Constitutionally questionable. Now we are going to have armed soldiers controlled by this extralegal organization with the purpose of quelling resistance by U.S. citizens.

    I understand that this is hard to hear, but Bush and Cheney have systematically built up dictatorial powers that they can use at any time. In my opinion they would not have enough troops to actually control the population of the U.S., but they could instill a lot of fear and people might just give up. What do you think happened in Nazi Germany? The parallels to what is happening right now with our financial system are truly eerie.

  68. Thanks, Brianna. I did hesitate to put this post up, because I thought people would poo poo it. I’m not saying anything is going to happen; I just wanted to discuss it. I think this situation highlights the dangerous situation we are in. In 2006, I really believed the Democrats would try to reverse some of the damage Bush has done to the Constitution, but they have only allowed him to do more since they too over.

  69. SOD,

    Since I caused the problem, I’ll try to come up with something cheery. I promise.

  70. Okay Bostonboomer, I see one place where we crossed wires. I wrote that I was sorry to “whap” such a big post… that was when I put in the AFC press release.
    I was referring to my big post… that I had “whapped” up a big post… meaning I had “put up” a big post.
    I wasn’t trying to say that I was knocking your work.

  71. How about if I put up the you tube of O’Reilly and Barney Frank yelling at each other? Or would that be even more depressing? Does anyone know of a happy story I can post about?

    I’m sorry for upsetting everyone.

  72. When Obama went along with extending FISA I was absolutely sure he has nefarious intentions. Suggesting anything relating to terrorism will allow the next administration to get away with even more breaches of our liberties.

  73. OK – we all trust Hillary. Her judgement is excellent. So my question is she must have a very good reason for not signing, so have we missed something here?

  74. bb: What’s Amy Winehouse been up to lately? Last time I checked she just beat up another fan.

  75. OK Angela. To me it seemed that you were discounting the AFC simply because Obama signed their pledge. But the AFC is just the source that I got the story from. I actually thought people would want to know this….

    Oh well….

  76. Pat,

    I hate to admit this, but I have no idea who Amy Winehouse is. I’ve only heard of her here at the Confluence. Who is she?

  77. is it too late for me to learn to speak Spanish?

  78. SOD,

    I love that too. I’ve actually posted it previously. What I need to be cheered up is some sign that Obama isn’t going to win. I listened to right wing radio again today, thinking they would all be fired up after last night’s debate. But they are convinced Obama is going to win–especially after McCain pulled out of Michigan.

  79. bb: A British singer out of control. I was just being stupid when you suggested a happier thread.

  80. Absolutely right . .It is an extremely ‘hot’ subject …

    But hey we needed something different .. ;))) .. after all the udder stuff ..

    The thing is , my understanding is that even they do not know what they are going to be used for . I have more .. & I will get back to you on this promise ..

    YOU know that’s what I thought too !! .. we got the dems back in .. we worked hard .. gave money .. did absolutely everything we could to give it to them . .BECAUSE ..They promised that were going to stop Iraq and the impeachment process would begin ..

    Lies .. lies and more lies ..

    Nancy ! Impeachment is Off the Table ..

    Dennis & Russ ..?? Who stood with them ?? .. tell me what dems stood with them ??????

    that’s right NONE of them did . they need to learn responsibility too .. In the real world there is consequences to our decisions .. doesn’t seem to be any consequeses in their lives ..

    I’m disgusted .. . as if you couldn’t tell.

  81. Ok, this is beyond scary s***. WHAT is going on? This can’t be just a one-off incident – adding up warrentless wiretaps, trial-less prosecutions, torture on a fireign land, no-accountability financial bailouts, no-reason wars….and now this bizarre army being assembled……this is like being in the middle of a crazy Frederick-Forsyth-type story. Except we aren’t in the middle of the USA engineering a covert operation and a change of regime in Soviet-Union, but in the middle of SOMEone doing SOMEthing in the USA.

    And no, I don’t think Obama’s involved with this in any way. He’s pretty wicked and horrible, but he’s not as smart. He’s a pawn – probably in the same grand design that has engineered all of this.

    Yes, I do have my tinfoil hat firmly on and I’m taking notes which seem to be all 0’s and 1’s….any steganography experts in the house?

  82. Hey Bostonboomer,
    Are we okay?

  83. Night, Gary.

  84. that last line was snark, and the rest still stands.

    just sayin’.

  85. Sara Baracuda thinks and said that she thinks McCain made a mistake by pulling out of MIchigan .. ;))

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14253.html

  86. Also this from politico ..

    “Chuck Yob, a veteran Michigan Republican and one of John McCain’s top supporters there, is issuing a public appeal for the GOP nominee to reconsider his decision to abandon the state.

    In an email sent ostensibly to Sarah Palin but in which he bcc’d this reporter and others, Yob took aim McCain’s national campaign officials.

    “I talked to Michigan Republicans and McCain supporters on a conference call last night and they vowed to redouble their efforts,” Yob wrote in a message this afternoon. “Indeed, there will still be a campaign for John McCain in Michigan whether it is sanctioned by the professionals in Washington DC or not.”

    Palin said earlier today on Fox News that she was surprised by the decision to pull out of Michigan and expressed her unease about the move.

    Noting this, Yob invited Palin to visit the state — and left his phone number for her.

    Yob’s public statement of dissatisfaction, rare among usually disciplined Republicans, is made more remarkable given his son’s employment: John Yob works on McCain’s campaign staff.

    McCain aides said the younger Yob has little role in the national campaign. They would not comment on the email from Chuck Yob, a longtime national committeeman.

    Both Yobs played a key role in McCain’s primary effort in Michigan earlier this year.”

  87. is it possible this is designed for assistance in natural disasters? Tree cutting was cited in forest fires.

    I know for Katrina the LA Nat’l Guard was overwhelmed and they got assistance, not sure if from other states’ Nat’l Guard units or what. I do know General Honore came in and took charge like Patton.

    Perhaps (just guessing) it’s something along those lines.

  88. Briana: We have been on an elevator ride for almost a year. Our hopes were dashed when Hillary dropped out and we were left with Obama. But the biggest letdown for me came when it slowly began to materialize that the Dem Party, my party, was no different than the Repubs for undermining the vote.

    The disappointment and emotional impasse set in because this was outside the realm of reality. Our DNC leaders acted much like thugs or mafioso. Ra*ce became the slur of the day against those who refused to become full supporters. The MSM gamed the dialogue. Turning on the tv became toxic. Respected blogs were no longer readable. Newspapers and magazines were canceled due to the daily drumbeat of support for a man who deserves none.

    Many of us were sent into a state of disbelief. Our votes meant nothing. We sat here and watched a qualified candidate eviscerated on behalf of an unqualified puppet. We searched our consciences in seeking an answer as to how to proceed. We are forced to consider the lesser of two evils to lead us. Some of us became disillusioned to the point of depression. Where are we heading in the future? Whose voice do we heed? Where did our leadership go? Can we rely on the anyone?

    This is where we are. Disgusted? Move over. Most of us here feel exactly what you feel. A empty sense of what happens next.

  89. Bostonboomer,
    Are we cool? I don’t want you mad at me and I don’t want you to think I meant you any disrespect.
    Will chocolate get me back in your good graces?

  90. And we thought the world as we knew it ended on 9/11…maybe it did and it’s gone downhill from there.

  91. and you guys used to tease me about my tinfoil hats. May I show you my collection???

  92. angie…ooops. 🙂

  93. OK…I officially believe it.

  94. Man, there are no good Obama jokes out there.

    The best I could find:

    Why doesn’t Obama drink Pepsi?

    Cause he thinks things go better with coke.

  95. Is anyone still awake? I just put up a *cheery* post.

  96. angela,

    Yes, we’re cool. Sorry I misinterpreted what you wrote. I have to admit I was really taken aback by this story. It did help me to share it with you guys though. Thanks for being here.

  97. So positive things, huh? Okay PUMAs, you have until October 20th:

    http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html

    their site is the one that’s gained the most in Alexa rankings this past week. send them ideas.

  98. Gary…

    If you’re interested I have a very attractive cap with a chin strap and pom poms. ….

  99. Nite angie

  100. bostonboomer-

    always good to keep an eye out for stuff, discuss it, etc.
    if BO loses, could these guys be called in to help with all the BO supporters who have vowed to “take it to the streets?” protest, march, fine with me, but “take it to the streets” just sounds ominous, imo

  101. Yes..my Golden Retriever is sweet.

  102. Thanks, kitchen. Hey come up to the new post you guys! There’s some humor there anyway.

  103. 🙂

  104. BB — There has been so much crap going on lately.

  105. BB, you deliberately ignoring me? :-/

  106. grlpatriot- you read my mind although the Warner Act still worries me.

    Again, my question regading the document mentioned above that all dem’s except Hillary signed. She must have had a reason. Any ideas?

  107. Brianna is right…this is old news. And Gary, I would love to see where Hillary said she would disband the private armies. What a loss for us that, instead of Hillary, Obama and his youth brigade may inherit these powers Bush installed.

    I remember when these issues were first discussed I said there is NO way these nonlethal “crowd control” weapons were developed to fight the war on terror. For one thing, when and where would “terrorists” operate as a mob or crowd?

    The weapons were meant for peaceful, legal American citizen protesters.

    I also wondered….how did they test these “just under lethal” weapons? I tried to find out, thinking perhaps if I could trace it back to testing on animals that PETA might pitch a fit and bring it to public attention.

    But just think how relatively few Americans protest. No one is going to care enough to roll these measures back.

  108. I think we need a cheery post if there’s any chance of sleeping tonight.

    This stuff is beyond disturbing.

  109. bostonboomer, in answer to your question about “Pelosi threatening martial law” here is the context, from Citizens for Legitimate Government—-it was pure speculation and fear-mongering, not some direct threat:

    Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif., 27th District) says Congress threatened with Martial Law if bill is not passed –Posted by saluki420 02 Oct 2008 Transcript: The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. That atmosphere is not justified. Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday, that the sky would fall, the Market would drop two or three thousand points the first day-another couple thousand the second day-and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no. That’s what I call fearmongering. Unjustified. Proven wrong.

  110. No problem BB…this has been a bad week…and a bad month…come to think of it, it’s been a bad year

  111. Here you go BB

  112. BB — I’m not convinced.

  113. {{sigh}} Terry is so enthusiastic!

  114. […] to, of all people, “The Confluence.” [↩]See Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, 18 U.S.C. § 1385 (2008). [↩]”The privilege […]

  115. Bostonboomer,

    My site and yours have had our disagreements, but I share your concerns on this, and it’s the sort of thing for which all Democrats should stand together. I’ve written a summary of posse comitatus and an outline of the law for my readers, and I commend it to your attention too (I’m taking a class on this stuff now). All in all, I don’t think this is something to worry too much about though; the 2006 amendments weren’t that big of a deal. Thanks for bringing this to peoples’ attention.

  116. I don’t think it’s ever inappropriate to be worried about our freedoms.

    “Disdain mean suspicion, but cherish manly jealousy; be always jealous of your liberty, your rights. Nip the first bud of intrusion on your constitution. Be not devoted to men; let measures be your object, and estimate men according to the measures they pursue.”
    Excerpt from “July 4th Oration by John Leland, July 5, 1802”

    Increasingly even our law enforcement has become more militarized. I think the only thing that frightens government more than an attack from outside sources is an angry and armed citizenship.

    The Bush administration along with congress has made it clear that we are all suspect and potential terrorists in their minds. Control and an ever growing law enforcement force and military force is their only consoling action against the thought of the citizenship becoming so angry and fed up that they actually revolt.

    While many of us worry about losing our second amendment rights they develop weapons that make the most extreme armament we might have as effective as a pea shooter.

    Is this action something to be concerned about? You bet ya.

    Now, for more tinfoil…..I had the thought a while back that one of the reasons the government has done nothing about the price of gas is because it is being used as an effort to move us all into an urban setting. It’s very hard to control those bitter gun clingers who are spread all over the rural countryside. I mentioned my theory to a few people who poo pooed it and then one day I was watching CNN. They were talking about the upside to the high price of gas and guess what that upside was….yep, forcing people to move out of rural and suburban settings and into Urban areas. No joke.
    So, put that together with all the other attacks on our economical freedom and constitutional freedoms and I think there is a concerted effort to make sure the government has control over the citizenship. If they can create an atmosphere that forces us to all be herded into large Urban areas it’s all the better for them to keep an eye on us. Am I paranoid? Maybe, but I don’t think so.

    Someone above said they weren’t worried about the military turning on U.S. citizens, but neither were we worried that they would engage in torture, but they did. A recent HBO special about the torture showed acts much more heinous than we have previously been allowed to see. It’s amazing what people will do under orders and certain circumstances. The Stanford Prison Experiment is a good example of just how quickly humans can be turned against each other just because of the authority they are given. The Milgram experiment is another good example of the dangers of man’s inherent willingness to obey authority figures. There are few figures who hold more authority than the president and military leaders.

    On that happy thought I bid you all a good night.

    MountainSage

  117. chevalier,

    I’m not ignoring you. Not at all! Thanks for your comment. I was up on the other post. Are you still here? Come on up.

  118. looking for integrity,

    I agree that Hillary must have had a reason for not signing. I doubt if it is because she disagrees with the goals of the organization. Maybe since she had been burned by move on already, she just didn’t feel like it? After all, she’s a Senator and can actually do something on her own.

  119. Of course the army has already turned on U.S. citizens. Anybody remember Kent State, Jackson State, Katrina?

  120. This is part of a meme spread by Obots that Bush will declare martial law if the election is close and there is violence by the One’s followers. Apparently, he will thus be able to grab power indefinitely.

  121. Every American revolutionary from the founding era was raised on Whig Ideology, which evolved out of England’s Glorious Revolution and its Bill of Rights of 1689. And among those things for which we must be on the lookout is a standing army that can be used against the citizenry. It’s one of the things about the Whigs that made the most sense to me.

    If Bush could use the Supreme Court to seize power, why not the army? I don’t think we should be cavalier about this. Many times in our history the army has been used to keep order (New Orleans 1815, New Orleans 2005). Just because someone joins the army it and does so with good intentions doesn’t mean those same people collectively have any sense of the constitution.

    The worrisome thing is that this army brigade is something that won’t disappear with the next president. Let’s hope we don’t have Obama.

  122. Angelsmith: “I do think Bush was engaged in all sorts of encroachments on our rights as Americans.”
    Ok, now I know people don’t read everything – I mentioned this last week – my brother had sent me the info.
    Bush can also suspend the election if there is any major disruption – being anything from a bad hurricane to civil unrest, based on a law that was passed very quietly in May of 2007.
    Let’s face it, the man trashed our Constitution. He set us up.

  123. Joanelle,

    I missed your comment. I was incredibly busy last week and didn’t get to read the comments on some of the posts. I’ll try to find it though. Thanks for letting me know.

  124. I don’t worry about Bush declaring martial law; since Obama came on the scene Bush has been as good as gone. This bail out bill was the first sign of life we’ve seen in months and I’m sure we wouldn’t have seen him now if the puppet masters hadn’t needed him to get the bail out ball rolling. I believe it was Senator Clinton that first proposed some sort of assistance and she was ignored until the big guys Fannie and Freddie screamed for help; then it became a crisis for government intervention.

    There are no provisions in the Constitution for private armies; whether Blackwater or Obama’s security force. Article I, Section 8 states

    a) …”To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years” b) “To provide and maintain a Navy” c) “To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces” d) “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions…” and “…reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress…” The executive branch has no authority to create armies, only to lead them.

    Whatever additional “armies” are being created outside the Constitutional specifications for “militia” can not be legal unless they are created by and under the control of Congress. I knew when GWB was allowed to stray beyond Executive power and “make law” that required amendments by ratification to be legal that both Democrats and Republicans had opened the door for the tyranny described in our Declaration of Independence.

    Foresight is not paranoia, and if it is considered paranoia to point to our leaking dike of Democracy, then we should all put on our tinfoil hats and say it together – if it is outside the boundaries of our Constitution then it is not Constitutional.

    Any sort of private military is forbidden and in the event of a national crisis or disaster, Congress is responsible “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions” until We the People change it.

  125. My tin-foil 2 cents.

    Wish I had time to read all comments.

    This post makes me wonder if this is about advance planning for rioting on election day.

    There’s been a lot of talk of riots in the event (pray god) that Obama doesn’t win.

  126. -grlpatriot

    2) There is a concern about rioting after Obama loses the election

    I’ve been saying this for awhile now. If you look on Obama’s site under events scheduled for NOVEMBER 5, you’ll see he has several *odd* things on the calendar. And, they’re not parties, either.

    A good majority of his NOV. 5 “events” are scheduled at churches. I hate to sound conspiratorial, but it sounds like he plans to take it to the streets if he loses, and may plan to use the churches as a source point.

    For example, take a look at the Pensacola area for the 5th. You’ll see what I mean.

  127. This is probably from left field, but could it possibly be in anticipation of race riots when Obama loses? Just me asking.

  128. At no time in our lives so far have things looked so bad — this plus the bail out — losing Hillary as we did.

    One wonders.

    And one wonders what place on this globe would seem normal.

  129. I tried to raise this alert 2 weeks ago. The ARMY is being deployed under HOMELAND SECURITY folks! It’s for real and their only mandate that puts them active needs to be a declaration of a “crisis”.

    this country is deep in the crap now

  130. I just had to chime in and expand/correct some stuff. For background I’m retired US Army, 24 years ending in 1995. If you look at the history of NorthCom it was formed after 9/11/2001 to provide for a centralized command structure in case of a really big terrorist/foreign power/natural disaster problem in the US. 9/11 showed that not all attacks will come from identified foreign military action, and not all will come from outside the US.

    As for assigning an Army Brigade to NorthCom, just Google “October Surprise” and see what Reagan did through back-channel negotiations with Iran to not have the hostages returned until he became President. There was a chance the Iranians would return the hostages in October (an October Surprise), which would have guaranteed a Carter victory in 1980. We have been both extremely lucky and fortunate that our FBI, CIA and state/local law enforcement have prevented another 9/11, but it can’t last. We have to be successful EVERY TIME, and terrorists only need to succeed ONCE. There’s a lot of off-the-record (and some on the record) chatter in the intelligence agencies about bin Laden trying to do to the US election what he did to Spain, hit us with a big terrorist attack and sway voters to turn from McCain to Obama. October 7 is mentioned many times as the target date, but they might try something before or after that day. I don’t think the American voters would turn to Obama if such an attack was successful, but the other way around, but understanding Americans isn’t one of bin Laden’s strong points. Having an Army Brigade attached to NorthCom through the election and inauguration gives a trained military force readily available just in case such an attack is successful. Especially if the attack involves chemical or radiological (dirty bomb) weapons.

    Zee, you proposed that the non-lethal weapons would have no use in anti-terrorist actions and had to be designed for use against Americans. On the contrary, the biggest problem our troops have faced in Iraq and Afghanistan is a single terrorist using local people as shields. They know that American troops are very sensitive (don’t laugh, I’ve been there, remember?) about injuring or killing civilians. That is one of the reasons the population of Iraq turned against AQI, because most of the wounded or killed locals were as a result of AQI, not US troops, action. Think back to the one where American troops were giving candy and small toys to Iraqi children and were hit by a suicide bomber. It doesn’t take too many of those and the local people start to understand that AQI is really their enemy, not the US troops. These non-lethal weapons were designed to provide ways to disrupt the human shields the terrorists were using. An example is a “heat ray,” for want of a better term. It generates a feeling of overpowering heat on a person’s skin, and causes the person to do whatever is needed to get away. A terrorist hiding in a crowd would quickly lose his crowd without anyone suffering any actual damage. THAT is why these non-lethal weapons were developed, not to be used on US citizens.

    Mountain Sage, you commented on how law enforcement is becoming more militarized. I lived in southern California when two guys, complete with body armor and automatic weapons, tried to rob a bank. Against them the police had pistols and shotguns. Incidents like that are why police agencies are getting, and training on using, body armor and automatic weapons, so they will have at least something close to an even fight against such criminals.

    Chimera, you wrote about Bush steeling the 2000 election with the help of the Supreme Court. A group of news media, led by the New York Times, paid for a full recount after the inauguration. They found that if all the ballots in Florida had been counted using the most inclusive standard (the one Gore wanted used only around Miami), Bush would have won. What we had following the Nov. 2000 election was several re-counts (remember the photos of people peering at the paper ballots, trying to “discern” the voter’s intent? The first machine count showed Bush won. The first recount, again by machine, showed Bush won. After that we had the manual recount, which also showed Bush won. Gore wanted yet another manual recount, but the US Supreme Court stepped in to enforce the provisions of the US Constitution. The Constitution requires that states have their electors at a specified place, at a specified time, to vote for President. All the Supreme Court did was tell Florida they had to meet the requirements of the Constitution, nothing more, nothing less. The meme that the Supreme Court decided the 2000 election in Bush’s favor is a lie, unsupported by the facts.

    Sort of like Biden’s claim in the debate that France and the United States forced Hezbollah out of Lebanon.

    Enough,

    Walter M. Clark

  131. Wow. All of this, and I mean all of this, reminds me of scenes from the movie starring Kirk Cameron, “Left Behind,” about the end of the world. If you haven’t seen it, maybe you should.

  132. A brigade is only 1500 troops…Rumor has it that the obamanauts will riot if he loses…There is already thousands of troops in the US at places like Forts Lewis, Bragg,Benning, Knox,Still, Drum, Leonard Wood,Hood, Campbell, Bliss, Riley and USMC Camps Lejeune & Pendelton….Then there are the state National Guards..Don’t be surprised if some of them mobilize prior to the election..

  133. WMC–

    1. The final report of the 9/11 Commission pointed out that the Bush administration ignored evidence that could have prevented the attacks. I believe the chapter title of the final report is something like, “The system was blinking red.” There is a web page–look it up.

    2. The unaffiliated, independent, complete recount of Florida votes showed that Gore won, not Bush. The recount Gore wanted would have come out in Bush’s favor.

    Also, Katherine Harris testified in court that, indeed, voters rolls were purged prior to the 2000 election to remove voters likely to vote for Gore. The overwhelming majority–I read 97%–of these voters were legally entitled to vote.

    You can look up this stuff also.

    I see your “enough” and raise you one.

  134. Okay, that’s what I get for posting from (my not very good) memory. What I really wanted to emphasize was the part of my comment about NorthCom. And to add to that, would anyone who is worried about 4,000 US Army troops taking everyone to Manzanar, I don’t think even 4,000 science fiction super troops would be able to pacify close to 300 million Americans. At least none of the soldiers I served with would have qualified.

    Walter M. Clark

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