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Conflucians Say Cocktail Party

Well, it looks like the girl with the big ideas was left out of the room again while the boys made plans.  The question is, will they take the time to do it right so they don’t have to take the time to do it over?  Yep, she was the one.  She had the policies all worked out in advance.  She saw the problem from multiple angles.  She seems to have the courage to buck the conventional wisdom.

But we ended up with HIM.

{{sigh}}

No use crying over spilt milk.  There’s still plenty to do.  Like, annoying your congresscritter with persistent calls on the issue.  Don’t let them try to keep a low profile.  Tell them they are on the hook for what happens later.  And that goes doubly so for Senators and Reps who are superdelegates.  They are responsible for giving away the store and saddling the taxpayer with massive debt.  As Marcy Kaptur said recently, we can’t expect the financial geniuses to socialize the profit but we are always expected to socialize the risk.  We’re tired of that.

But we also have to add more progressives to Congress.  And what better way to help them along than by contributing time and money to their campaigns.  The Obama Product is sucking up most of the available funds, leaving many downticket Dems high and dry while their races are tightening.  Let’s put them back on track.

Welcome to the Conflucian Cocktail Party.  Every Thursday from now until election day, we are dedicating our cocktail party to raising money for downticket Dems.  Make yourself at home.  The bar is to the left of the door manned by Rico, our bartender with flair.  His special drink tonight is an Autumn in New York.  You can also purchase a causmo for $10.  You have several causmos to choose from.  You can contribute to our Fab Four Slate of women running for congress and senate.  Or put your money to work on our broader slate in our ActBlue for The Confluence.   Last week, we made $700! I got an email from Dennis Shulman this week.  He could use some money to keep his TV ad running in NJ-03 so give him a hand, woncha?  Or, should you feel so inclined, you can help our friend Heidi Li purchase ads for Democrat for Principle before Party.  Of course, you can order whatever you like.

Our entertainment this evening is from a sax player who I’ve never heard of but feel like I should.  This recording of, what else, Autumn in New York, was recorded in 1951.  Sit back and cradle your cocktail and listen:

Ladies and gents, let’s not harsh our mellows with trigger words.  If you feel one starting to get the better of you, take it to Florence, our lovely checkroom attendant who will keep the sucker safe.  The waiters will be circulating soon with some apples and grapes and sharp New York cheddar cheese and a lovely Hudson Valley fois gras.  Please drink responsibly and tip your wait staff generously.

Also, you can bring your cocktails to Conflucians Say tonight at 10PM EST.  We’ll be talking to Heidi Li Feldman of the Denver Group and Democrats for Principle before party and our own dcinkat will be answering all of our burning questions on the financial bailout.

258 Responses

  1. Well, it looks like the girl with the big ideas was left out of the room again while the boys made plans.

    RD;

    Are you in some sort of “Understatement of the year” competition? If so, you have a good chance to win.

    I’ve watched all of Hillary’s interview in the last couple of days and I was really sad.

    Can you imagine the whole country glued in front of the teevee watching the Democratic nominee clearly explain what is going on and how to get out of this morass? Can you imagine how could we could be looking as a party?

    Instead we have to put up with this bunch of bozos running like chicken with their cut off. How macabre!

  2. Listening to Obama today on CNN was just embarrassing. Just completely, utterly pathetic.

  3. what memorizing the finer points of Plessy V Ferguson hasn’t prepared obama for the finer points of credit default swaps? I’m shocked!

  4. According to Jeralyn it is Palin who is pathetic because she got Kissinger’s take on pre-conditions with meeting Iranian leaders wrong. Even though she was so right on not meeting without pre-conditions. And BTD is so angry that McCain made the big deal go bust, he now agrees with J about “busting” on Palin, while he “busts on” McCain.

    The Democratic response should be to write their own bill addressing the needs of the American people instead of “dressing up” the horrendous “proposal” from Bush and Paulson. So, if McCain indeed broke that bad contract, I am glad. Now, let’s see if the Dems show some backbone and actually pass something for 95% of Americans.

  5. All right, ladies, what’s the antidote for the cooties I just picked up at TalkLeft?

    Yeah yeah, I should have known better, but –you know–damn. Just…damn.

    God I need a drink.

  6. Why are they so angry? Seriously, I just don’t get it.

  7. LandOLincoln – I don’t go to TalkLeft any more. I can’t afford to let myself be more annoyed than is absolutely necessary.

  8. I have to wonder if McCain killing the deal didn’t kill Obama’s chance to be elected. Judging by the reaction I could certainly come to that conclusion.

    Pelosi saying that she won’t pass a bill unless the GOP signs on is beyond pathetic. We have no leaders in this party. No one wants to stand up and say enough.

  9. “The Democratic response should be to write their own bill addressing the needs of the American people instead of “dressing up” the horrendous “proposal” from Bush and Paulson.”

    Where are the populist Dems? This would be a great time for them to seize the initiative, make some public proposals and put pressure on the corporate shill wing. Step up!

  10. Palin seems to have touched a nerve, I can’t explain it really. Jeralyn seems to be one who’s been touched and is out to take down Palin by any means so it’s hard for me to take what she posts seriously. I have to say I am personally completely fed up, annoyed and angered hearing friends and colleagues (yuppie liberals – sorry to put it that way, but I am one myself, it is what it is!) incessantly mocking Palin. I can’t speak up much about it. Good to have this site where others are sympathetic!

  11. was anyone watching lindsay graham on greta? what did he mean that 20% of the money would go to ACORN???

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  13. It’s very depressing to feel that the number of intelligent windows onto the world is so rapidly dwindling. A very lonely feeling indeed. And yet sacrificing integrity is simply NOT an option.

  14. Lindsay Graham was just on Greta saying that “2 days ago, Harry Reid said there would be no deal if McCain didn’t come back to DC. Now, they spent the entire day blaming him. Anyone who says that there was a deal–and they are all telling this story–that McCain ‘blew up’ when he came to DC, is LYING. You cannot have a deal with only 5 or 6 Senators on board, speaking for Congress. The truth is: it was a very bad deal for the American taxpayer.”

    THEN HE SAID THIS:

    “In this version of the deal, 20% of the money that is supposed to go to paying down the debt is going to ACORN, which has proven to a very bad housing program.”

    DID ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THAT?! How the hell did ACORN get into this deal?! Aren’t they under indictment for voter fraud?

  15. I don’t know, gary. Did the Dems try to sneak an ACORN earmark into the bill?

  16. Incidentally I should add that I disagree completely with Palin on the issues that matter. What I am pissed about is childishly making fun of her accent, her religious beliefs, her family, hunting, stuff like that – it’s so petty.

  17. This bill is seriously flawed. The democrats are doing NOTHING to protect the interests of the American people.. instead the real rub in this bill apparently is how to keep the gazillionaires with their gazillions.

    We will HAVE to pass a bill of some sort but as far as I’m concerned, let them all eat the meltdown and let’s use the money to backup the bankers with a BRAIN and to restructure mortgages for the average american who got screwed into a bad mortgage by extending their term and lowering their payments. FU to the guys who set it up in the first place… too bad so sad

    Then we MUST clamp down on regulation. AND NO SEC controlled oversight of the markets…they CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO DO THEIR JOBS. Put them under the GAO who’ll smack them black and blue and assure they do their jobs.

  18. It’s the witch hunt aspect that really burns, dg. Downright scary.

  19. dg, did you see where Alcee Hastings told a Jewish group that anyone who totes a gun and strips moose is someone Jewish and Black people need to watch out for?

  20. Our local paper’s blog is hitting Palin hard. But one local Ohioan farmer is a fan:

    http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/

  21. 20% of 700 billion, is billions of dollars for a corrupt organization. No wonder, the Republicans didn’t sign off. Who put that in the bill? I’m sure it wasn’t Bush. It must be from the dims and BO.

  22. Seriously,

    Hillary and Sanders are the populist Dems that we should be supporting. I really urge all of you to call your reps and demand that they support Hillary’s plans. I have been doing this every day.

    GA6th,
    I saw how BTD really attacked you today and yesterday it was Cream City. Looks like a panic attack to me.

  23. Alcee Hastings equates moose slaying with anti-semiti sm and r@csim.

  24. I am personally completely fed up, annoyed and angered hearing friends and colleagues (yuppie liberals – sorry to put it that way, but I am one myself, it is what it is!) incessantly mocking Palin.

    It makes them all feel very superior and special. I have been in two separate meetings with a group I am the coordinator for, and each time, someone made a crack about Palin. I immediately shut them down by saying, “No politics!” and the second time, “No Palin bashing.”

    People are so arrogant and self-satisfied about this, that they assume we’re “all on the same team.” After what we went through watching Hillary be brutalized, I have zero tolerance for it. Palin and I might not agree on all issues, but she is my sister, and I will stand up for her. This class b.s. really turns me off, and that’s what it is.

  25. McCain didn’t kill the deal. Matter of fact, the word on the street was the Republicans were wholesale rejecting the deal and were NOT going to sign on. McCain came back to hopefully prevent the repukes from becoming entrenched.

    as an aside…are any of you aware that the Dem Congress allowed a provision in the last defense bill that WILL DEPLOY U.S. TROOPS under Homeland Security in the event of a “crisis” in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act?

    http://www.breakthematrix.com/BreakTheMatrix/U-S-Troops-In-Homeland-Crowd-Control-Patrols-From-October-1st

    I do not like how the pieces of this puzzle are coming together.. not at all

  26. Ga6th – Golly, I think you may be right:

    I have to wonder if McCain killing the deal didn’t kill Obama’s chance to be elected. Judging by the reaction I could certainly come to that conclusion.

    That certainly explains the anger on display at TalkLeft.

  27. I was also shocked! when he said ACORN.

  28. I heard on Laura Ingram a few minutes ago that the plan they are working on sounds very similar to what Newt has been saying for the last 11 days. Loans with discounted rates on the paper, etc.

  29. LOL, I just logged on after hearing Graham say that 20% of the profits would go to ACORN and wondering if you folks had heard anything. I hadn’t heard this, but am appalled. Of course, Greta said nothing about the organization and Casey said the money was going to fund housing. Say What !.

  30. Alcee Hastings can go suck a moose. I saw a city slowly perish courtesy of racial politics (New Orleans – long before Katrina) – Hastings would’ve fit right in.

  31. Alcee Hastings equates moose slaying with anti-semiti sm and r@csim.

    Isn’t everything ultimately about rac*sm?

    Donuts?

    RACISM!

    Sunsets?

    RACISM!

    Don’t you see? (If not, then that just proves you’re rac*st.)

    It’s like the witch tests they used to do in Salem, MA. They would throw women in a pond with weights, and watch. If she drowned, she wasn’t a witch. If she lived, that proved she was a witch, and they killed her.

  32. Alcee Hastings from conviction for fraud as a judge right into a senate seat. Only in America.

  33. alexei, I will try, but Kerry and Kennedy are hopeless. It would really help though if the rest of the populists would stop propping BO and get out there in front of this, too. Has anyone see Kusinich?

  34. I like Palin and am sick of them trying to trip her up. She needs to say she is being briefed and will get back with (whoever).

    End of question.

  35. I heard on Laura Ingram a few minutes ago that the plan they are working on sounds very similar to what Newt has been saying for the last 11 days. Loans with discounted rates on the paper, etc.

    I’m not an economist, but I like the sound of that in principle. I don’t think we should just be throwing money at these institutions that deliberately used fraudulent accounting means to boost their own assets. Let them pay the taxpayers back over time.

  36. Are y’all SURE that Graham cited ACORN? That sounds mighty strange.

  37. When the hearings started on Tuesday, many Repub Senators were saying stuff like “Socialism!” and “UnAmerican!” I didn’t hear much in the way of favorable statements. The smart play for the Repubs is to be against it and let the Dems pass it and be the ones giving away tax money. That could kill O’s chances.

  38. President Clinton and President Elect John McCain were throwing wet sloppy kisses at each other today.

    Greta – Who is President Clinton voting for: McCain or Obama?

    Go and vote.

  39. Riverdaughter/All: Thanks for everything you are doing.

    Michael Varvel: The Rice A Roni is a riot, LOL.

  40. Good night, dear creatures.

    Sweet dreams.

  41. Re: Palin. I wrote to McCain’s campaign today (as if they care what I have to say!?) and said that she needs some interview training. Hillary is a master of handling these nitwits. That Couric question was ridiculous. Palin is not required to memorize McCain’s legislative record. That was a question for John McCain, not Sarah. Ask Sarah about her own record, and their joint plans and vision for the country going forward. She was governor of AK until a few weeks ago. She was not a John McCain scholar.

    I think she should have said, “That’s a question that Senator McCain can answer quite proficiently for himself–you should ask him. I’d be happy to tell you about my long record of reform.”

  42. Arabella said:

    “Alcee Hastings equates moose slaying with anti-semitism and r@csim.”

    C’mon, Arabella, can’t you see the parallels? Mooses, Jews, and Blacks are all large, tasty mammals, and therefore in danger of being shot, skinned & et by redneck savages like Sarah Palin.

    Seems perfectly clear to me.

    /snark , in case anyone was wondering

  43. Wasn’t the Big Dawg in all his PUMA glory today? He just can’t help praising and defending McCain and giving lukewarm endorsements of BO. They must be furious with him (again). Too bad–do your thang Bill!

  44. The Republican Senators would have called the New Deal un-American, and they do.

  45. “Greta – Who is President Clinton voting for: McCain or Obama?”

    That”s a sucker’s bet. 🙂

  46. he did say ACORN. I was wondering if he made a mistake. I just can’ t believe that. He sounded franitc too. He said that the media was lying when they said there had been a deal and that McCain scuttled it. He said that any body who tried to imply that was a liar, and then Casey came on and said it. I think Boxer said the same thing earlier.

  47. LOL! The Greta poll, who will Bill vote for is:

    93% McCain
    7% Obama

  48. “DID ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THAT?! How the hell did ACORN get into this deal?! Aren’t they under indictment for voter fraud?”

    Don’t know if that’s true, but I wouldn’t doubt it – I smell lobbyists and special interests.

  49. Kat5: Graham definitely cited ACORN. My ears almost popped off. Another example of what the government will look like if Obama gets his hands on the presidency. He has been funneling money to ACORN since he was on the Annenburg Board.

  50. Those 7% must think Bill has as many problems with pressing the correct button as Obama. 🙂

  51. A better alternative to ACORN: tearing millions of tens into tiny bits and pitching them in the ocean. ACORN was notoriously awful in New Orleans, almost a joke, albeit a bad one. No wonder the Republicans are balking. Any Dem with any sense would, too. Sooo, was that one a ringer?

  52. fif – you are correct and saying what I have been saying. She hasn’t had time to review 26 years of all of their lives, theory’s, positions, etc.

  53. Why would you believe Lindsay Graham?

    The Republicans are in scorched earth mode, hoping they’ve found an issue that will give them back the Congress.

  54. Hillary will have to vote on whatever it is. She will fix it. Also, it sounds like Newt’s plan of a loan and let them work out how to pay it back.

    I like that idea.

    Where’s Charles and Pat tonight?

  55. The ACORN bit must be verifiable, plural. I mean, otherwise, Graham is up for lynching.

  56. Can you imagine the whole country glued in front of the teevee watching the Democratic nominee clearly explain what is going on and how to get out of this morass? Can you imagine how could we could be looking as a party?

    Can you imagine Hillary EVER saying “call me if you need me?” She would be right in the middle of this, hammering out a solution. Seeing BO sitting at that table, he looks like a Congressional intern, sitting with all the Congressman. I still do not understand: how did this happen?

  57. Oh Lord, the bots are out in full force trying to tilt the poll. yeah, he’s voting for Obie. NOT

  58. Donna Darko says ACORN is a good organization, but considering our trackrecord here it does seem out of character that we’d be giving $40 million dollars to an actual legit organization of low and moderate income people.

  59. fif – you are correct and saying what I have been saying. She hasn’t had time to review 26 years of all of their lives, theory’s, positions, etc.

    Has anyone ever asked Obama or Biden to cite the other’s legislative history? It’s absurd. Shame on you Katie. I hope you’re proud of yourself.

  60. $140 million

  61. McCain is going to keep Barky up all night studying, and jerk him around all day tomorrow. McCain will get a shot of adrenaline right before the debate and blow out Barky.

    Better yet, McCain shows up looking dapper before he lets Barky know he is going to show up.

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  62. kat, there is an article about it in Roll Call, but I don’t have the 285 dollars to subscribe…I can’t find anything more concrete anywhere else yet.

  63. Isn’t ACORN being investigated in several states for voter fraud and using strong-arm (Chicago) grassroots tactics?

  64. BO already had some trouble with ACORN. Now there’s more?

  65. Carol, that is so true. He looked so tired and bored in that meeting. This is completely throwing him off his side. He needs time to “think.” If you’re president Bambi, it’s pressure 24/7. McCain looked quite calm and clear in that setting, and has a spring in his step. He’s been through this many times. And we all know Obama gets very very cranky when he’s tired…

    What time is the debate tomorrow–if it’s happening?

  66. stride

  67. If R’s vote for this, R voters are staying home.

  68. Well, according to yahoo news, Republicans are accusing them of voter fraud, but I mean, it is Republicans, so who can say.

  69. Doesn’t this stuff get old……Before, everything was Hillary’s fault…….NOW……..It’s McCain’s.

  70. Now WaMu. WTH?

  71. What about WaMu?

  72. seriously, in my county it is the head of the local board of elections that is accusing them of fraud, and he is not a republican. Durham Co. is the bluest county in this state.

  73. NV Swing Voter, what do Republicans want to happen?

  74. HOLD UP:

    My ex-husband has the “child support” account with WaMu.

    That M-Fer now has an excuse to be late….AGAIN!!!!

  75. Obama grant being probed
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article
    A $100,000 state grant for a botanic garden in Englewood that then-state Sen. Barack Obama awarded in 2001 to a group headed by a onetime campaign volunteer is now under investigation by the Illinois attorney general amid new questions, prompted by Chicago Sun-Times reports, about whether the money might have been misspent.

    Funny how Obama always find people with “corruption” issues to hang out with isn’t it

  76. “If R’s vote for this, R voters are staying home.”

    Yep. I’m sure you folks hate Dick Morris (as do I) but I thought he had an interesting take on this. McCain rushed back to washington, killed the deal which we R’s would go ballistic over. Now he gets to get the Repubs behind him on a McCain Deal and the Dems are stuck with either supporting it or being the party that is FOR spending $700 billion. Given the choice they will go along with the new plan so that if things go bad they can blame the R’s.

    All the while Obambi is looking like what he is, a freshman senator.

  77. Oh, sorry, gary–the stories I found were all from Republicans in Florida.

  78. If you google ‘ACORN corruption’, you’ll get something like 354,000 results. My 30 years in NOLA have made me more cynical about ‘community organizing’ than I would have ever thought possible. I started out as a flaming liberal-hippie, working for Total Community Action in my hometown, then for a federal drug education training program with an inner-city focus in Chicago, and other assorted non-profits. Age can be a terrible thing…

  79. p.s. Nnow I’m a Texan, sworn to Bush fealty forever. JK!!!!

  80. According to the nyt the debate is going to happen.

    just saw it on google.

  81. Chase is taking over WaMU in the morning. Everything is fine.

  82. Kat, i live in the bywater

  83. i think that mccain should cancel and they should let Cynthia McKinney take on Obama instead … just think that would be fun

  84. Arabella –

    Alcee Hastings equates moose slaying with anti-semiti sm and r@csim.

    Makes sense to me.

    “Moose” = “noose”

    or

    “Moose” = “Jooz”

    😉

  85. Absolute accountability, transparency, complete transparency, all meetings and hearings public; have the plan with no earmarks; if it’s a matter of loans in default because the interest rate went up, then freeze the interest rate (Hillary), move the defaulted payments to the back of the loan. If they could borrow $200,000 and make the payment, it’s not the taxpayers fault the values decreased – do NOT give new loans at the decreased value of the home UNLESS there is a guarantee that if they sell the house at a profit, some (if not all) of the profit goes back to the taxpayer (not to exceed the original amount of the loan that was written off).

    They would prefer no bailout at all, but I believe most would accept that if there is a built-in guarantee that the borrower will not profit, that the companies being bailed out will not profit, at the taxpayers expense, then maybe.

    No golden parachutes, investigations into how grandiose bonuses were paid, etc.

  86. dakinikat – You were great tonite! I really enjoyed listening to you.

    Cynthia McKinney would clean Oba-Moi’s clock. He wouldn’t EVER get a word in edgewise.

  87. Kat5, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:03 pm Said:
    If you google ‘ACORN corruption’, you’ll get something like 354,000 results. My 30 years in NOLA have made me more cynical about ‘community organizing’ than I would have ever thought possible. I started out as a flaming liberal-hippie, working for Total Community Action in my hometown, then for a federal drug education training program with an inner-city focus in Chicago, and other assorted non-profits. Age can be a terrible thing…

    ___________

    Yeah, that’s what happens when you take the Red Pill.

  88. I love the bywater, d’kat . In fact I love New Orleans period. I’ll always miss it. We lived in a wonderful old house we self-renovated, just off Napoleon and Camp. It survived Katrina, but our income didn’t.

  89. I loved Palin’s interview today when Couric asked her why she hadn’t gotten a passport until last year.

    She said she didn’t grow up in a culture where you were sent off to school, graduated, given a back pack, a passport and told to go explore. She has always worked, sometimes 2 jobs until she had her children, and her life path was different.

    They are making people madder and madder. I just saw the corners in Virginia. The people there are having a full rallying of supporters standing on corners and cheering for Sarah.

    People are excited. I am excited. I want her as the VP. She has good instincts and is tough.

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  90. Paid for my causmo this way
    Page: http://actblue.com/page/fabfour

    2008-09-25 Victoria Wulsin $10.00

  91. Q. Given what Sen. Lindsey Graham said about ACORN getting a cut, do you suppose this is what sounded an alarm with Republicans, and the McCain campaign? Is this why they wanted to be involved with the discussions at the White House?

    Just what ACORN needs – an infusion of cash from the Feds. as part of the Bail-out, just in time to commit more widespread, and craftier voter fraud on behalf of Obama than ever before, or ever imagined.

    WTF is going on?

    Didn’t John Fund write a whole book about ACORN? Would love to hear from him on what’s going on.

  92. fif, on September 25th, 2008 at 10:37 pm Said:

    Kat5: Graham definitely cited ACORN. My ears almost popped off. Another example of what the government will look like if Obama gets his hands on the presidency. He has been funneling money to ACORN since he was on the Annenburg Board.
    ……………………………

    OK, that makes sense…as to why the ACORN people were pushing for the quick deal with no over site. I saw them with protest signs but wondered how did they get into housing? Some thing is very wrong and Palin is right, it may cost a TRILLION! Will the 300 + Billion go to the buddies and CEOs and ACORN?

    I bank at WAMU and it just went BELLY UP… So, maybe that is why Obama wanted to be out of Washington D.C. if ACORN is going to benefit while us small ‘COMMON PEOPLE’ (what the O Camp calls us) are going to loose our little money in the banks that are going under.

    Why should ANY SENATOR have to be asked to GO TO WORK?

  93. D’Kat you were wonderfully wonky indeed and way informative.

  94. Red Pill, lisad? Not now, nor have I ever been a Commie. Thank yew.

  95. Kat5, I’m still hanging in here … it’s really hard though, but I’m one of those weird folks that would rather teach where I can empower folks rather than make money and live comfortably. But there is something to be said for living funky!

  96. Why should ANY SENATOR have to be asked to GO TO WORK?

    This is such a great question.

  97. Ugh, no, that would get ugly. I don’t want to see Obama try to talk down to McKinney.

  98. I say they should post everything on-line like PALIN did in Alaska so we can see who is getting what and WHO is benefiting from our hard earned money!

    I am tired of politicians spending our money by giving it to others, and we THE PEOPLE still don’t have UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. It is just not right. I demand that they post it all on-line including the audio so we can listen and hear what is going on.

  99. 2- questions:
    What happened to the law-suit?
    What’s Matt’s show link?

  100. heidi … ty, you too… you always inspire me to stay strong and act out!

  101. Banks take over other banks all the time.

    Why is this different?

  102. WaMu ran for 119 years, according to the article. “Largest bank failure in American history.”

  103. Typical Republican: I actually started reading Dick Morris’ book (given to by a friend) Fleeced yesterday and started getting ill. His whole “if it looks like O will become President” the masses will start selling their stock so they don’t have a capital gains tax that’s double come January 1st. He really hates all that are running. I gave it back today, just can’t read anymore.

    I just really wish Hillary would have won so I could just stay home this election and not worry about it.

  104. Sorry, Charles. 😦

  105. plural, take your head out of the sand, there has been more banks failing in the last few months than in the last few years.

  106. Yes, the poor Beltway elite. McCain went and picked himself an actual person, not a Washington product. He picked a real American success story, instead of a post-partisan post-racial post-truthful politician of the worst type, a person who has written two memoirs at the age of 47, a person who pretends to privation but who has had everything handed to him since day one.

    Sarah Palin really IS a Washington outside, and she’s smart and pretty and caring, and it’s just killing the talentless, soulless hacks of the punditsphere who are dying to hand the Presidency to their Precious.

  107. Woman Voter, I AGREE!!!

  108. Seriously:

    I’d love to see him try that.

    I’ll put $100 on Cynthia

  109. Kat5, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:17 pm Said:
    Red Pill, lisad? Not now, nor have I ever been a Commie. Thank yew
    _____________

    I meant The Matrix.

    Anyway, I like to think that as an ATC(AW/NAC) USN ret. I’m not either.

  110. Red Pill is not a communist reference. It refers to a scene in the matrix.

  111. So? They get taken over by another bank.

  112. my visa card is with WAMU, i wonder if I can ask the Fed if they can just call it a distressed asset and write it off?

  113. When there are no bigger banks left, who takes over?

  114. WAMU is too big too fail. They’ll be reformatted or married off …

  115. dakinikat,

    McCain would be crazy not to debate. Obama is going to bomb bigtime. He is completely off his stride, and he was never a good debater. We really need someone to count the uh uh uh uh’s tomorrow night.

    P.S. Thank you for your lucid explanations tonight!!

  116. I’m with you fif. I’m disgusted with Katie Couric. What a pathetic excuse for an interview question.

    And I’m sick of BO stringing words together and having it lauded as brilliant.

  117. I’d love to see Cynthia debate Barack. And it would be great if she hit him with her purse too.

  118. Cynthia would kick his ass even if everyone else stormed the stage to help him out, she’s taken them all on before, but it’s enough already. No more forums to work out mommy issues.

  119. plural, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm Said:

    Banks take over other banks all the time.

    Why is this different?
    …………………………………

    It makes a difference when you have employees and you have to make payroll and you don’t have access to the money and have to call up family at night to see if they can help for as long as you need. My family banks there and we have to all pull together to get our family member through this. Did you not see that it takes days to settle things into the new bank etc AND TO GAIN ACCESS TO YOUR MONEY.

    Peoples lives are on the line here and they need to get back to work and fix the mess THEY MADE! If any person ran a business the way they run the country they would have dire consequences to deal with.

    Obama doesn’t even think it is important to go to work and see if he can do anything (like voting at the very least) with the BIGGEST FINANCIAL CRISIS SECOND ONLY TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION! HELLO!

  120. ty bboomer … I really am waiting for the debates because I think Obama will bomb too … but I’d love to see Obama debate Cynthia McKinney … I’d pay big money for that

  121. Has anyone heard the rumor that China actually bought these loans and figured out how bad they were and then pressured Wall Street to make good on the deal, but that didn’t happen … so, they pressured our gov’t that if the loans weren’t made good they would call in the loans our gov’t has been taking out to fund Iraq … which is why there is this URGENCY to pass ASAP?

    I don’t know if it’s true, but this conspiracy almost makes sense.

  122. Charles-Why could you not be more depressed?

  123. Seriously, financial crises happen all the time. Bank deposits will be safe. There was one recently in Japan and one in Sweden. Sweden has a really healthy economy now. Also, the number of banks ‘failing’ is not at any kind of all time high or any kind of high number.

  124. we had more institutions failing in the 80s during the S&L crisis

  125. How can the deposits be safe if the FDIC doesn’t have enough in reserve to cover them?

  126. Heidi Li,

    THANKS FOR THE LINK!

  127. Regency – I was just goofing.

  128. As of right now, I will count on the spirit of my great grandfather, a Chinese Immigrant to Cuba, then to later to DR to help me learn Chinese.

    Ni Hao? ¿Cómo?

  129. Kat5: Ah. I get you. Humor never does translate well over the net.

  130. The banking part is being sold off to JP Morgan, Regency, there is no need for the FDIC to step up

  131. DKat: You know better than I.

  132. Kat5 — the reference to the Red Pill is from the movie “The Matrix” — the Red Pill is what you take to see “the real world.” It is NOT a reference to communism.

  133. Charles,
    its says here;
    Regulators simultaneously brokered an emergency sale of virtually all of Washington Mutual, the nation’s largest savings and loan to JPMorgan Chase for $1.9 billion, averting another potentially huge taxpayer bill for the rescue of a failing institution.

  134. They’ll probably carve out the mortgage and secondary market and keep it at the fed with the rest of the ‘distressed mortgage-related assets’

  135. i have an 8 am class to teach, so i’m outie …

    g’nite!

  136. Charles!!

    My friend, look and listen:

    You have survived major crisis and issues. I admire your strength and tenacity through it all.

    You’ve lived and witnessed first hand political crisis here and abroad.

    Eventually, things will turn out ok.

  137. Oops — I’m a little late on the refresh button — see that the Red Pill reference was already cleared up.

  138. Charles, imo what McCain’s got in his favor is that people don’t associate him with Bush as much as they should. Nobody agress with him on Iraq but they still trust him more on that issue, and with the Democrats running around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming don’t trust us, we’re not serious, they might feel the same way about the economy too.

  139. /rant on

    People seem to be taking macro- and micro- looks at this, but not both at the same time.

    Not being an economist, I am taking the micro-ish view, and I think there is ample, AMPLE reason to freak out. Three MILLION more homes could be foreclosed on in the next two years if we don’t do something. The banks are just a small part of the problem. The main economic problem is that people do not have jobs, or a place to live. They can’t afford to take care of themselves. They can’t afford to feed their families. They can’t afford to go to work. How can people buy things if they don’t have any money, or if their money is worthless? Will we soon be wheeling barrows full of dollar bills to buy a loaf of bread?

    From my perspective, the economy is nothing but shit right now. Wall Street means nothing to me. I want to know what will happen when three million more homes are lost because the next wave of adjustable rate mortgages come due. I want to know what happens when we go back to gas lines and stagflation and turning our heat off during the winter. I want to know how this economy is going to affect Joe and Juanita Lunchbucket, like our beloved SM said.

    Franklin Raines and all his bought-and-paid-for friends (yes Obama, that means you too) can go fuck themselves. They should be in JAIL. They do not deserve one fucking dime of my money.

    /rant off

  140. being realistic and considering that what i do depends on good economic times, i’m very worried and depressed as well

  141. Charles: That doesn’t increase inflation?

  142. Charles, if they print it, is it any good? I don’t see how we can keep printing money without something to back the value. Am I being naive here?

  143. But isn’t ‘printing money’ a recipe for hyper-inflation, Charles? Consider me your garden variety economic dunderhead here…

  144. This is from July, 2008:

    The housing bill signed Wednesday by President George W. Bush will provide a stream of billions of dollars for distressed homeowners and communities and the nonprofit groups that serve them.

    One of the biggest likely beneficiaries, despite Republican objections: Acorn, a housing advocacy group that also helps lead ambitious voter-registration efforts benefiting Democrats. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745181676698197.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

    And here is an article about ACORN being responsible for the mortgage crisis: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/thank-acorn-and-their-ilk-for-mortgage-crisis

    MountainSage

  145. Guess that economics class taught me something.

    Is it just me or is Hillary really suspiciously absent? After being everywhere yesterday (wasn’t it?) she’s just…not…there.

  146. I can see I gotta type faster….

  147. MadamaB: yep. I’m here worrying about my daughter’s child support payment that’s made through WaMu. I use that money for food & clothes and what “child support” is meant for, living expenses, Pokemon cards.

    But we’ll be ok.

    FDIC is a question I wanted to ask Dakinikat tonight – will that be affected???

  148. plural, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm Said:

    Banks take over other banks all the time.

    Why is this different?

    plural, with all due respect — are you serious? Do you not know the difference between a bank merging with and/or buying out another bank — where the stockholders of the buying bank actually pay for the stock in the bank being bought and there is no interruption in service to its customers — and the govt. seizing a bank, freezing all its customers’ accounts and selling off its assets at a fire sale? Because the second scenario is what is happening to WAMU, not the first one.

  149. At times like this I’m glad I’m broke.

    I spent half my money on booze and sins of the flesh.

    The rest I just wasted.

  150. Charles – their stock lost 30% yesterday, 25% today. I was watching it for a buy. I knew Chase was trying to buy it as they want the Western Footprint. But, it looks like they waited to purchase after the seizure. It closed at $1.69.

  151. I asked a question.

    Do I need to be insulted for asking a question?

  152. I read it will be opening under Chase tomorrow morning.

  153. Kat5, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:49 pm Said:
    But isn’t ‘printing money’ a recipe for hyper-inflation, Charles? Consider me your garden variety economic dunderhead here…

    That’s what they do in Latin America!

  154. Got you beat, myiq – I spent all three halves of my money.

  155. The yahoo story I just read said there will be no interruption in service for WaMu’s customers.

  156. LOL

  157. myiq – obviously it had to be clown sins of the flesh ………………………. just saying with that pasty, makeup look …………………………

  158. it says in the nyt

    Customers of Seattle-based WaMu, with $307 billion in assets, are unlikely to be affected, although shareholders and some bondholders will be wiped out. WaMu account holders are guaranteed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation up to $100,000.

  159. Charles, WaMu’s market cap today was around $3B.

    I think Jamie had another bargain here. This guy really learned from Sandy Weill.

  160. Carol Diamonds knows about Jamie Diamond.

  161. They offered $8 per share in March or April. Stupid is as Stupid does. Some times something is better than nuthin’

  162. Are people aware that the disgusting video playing all day on MSNBC and NBC about McCain’s cancer was paid for by Dean’s brother?

    These people are pigs.

  163. Charles I think they are trying for Newt’s plan. Loans instead of bailout. McCain will look like a genius.

  164. yeah, Carol i saw that. i was disgusted.

  165. angie, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:50 pm Said:

    plural, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm Said:

    Banks take over other banks all the time.

    Why is this different?

    plural, with all due respect — are you serious? Do you not know the difference between a bank merging with and/or buying out another bank — where the stockholders of the buying bank actually pay for the stock in the bank being bought and there is no interruption in service to its customers — and the govt. seizing a bank, freezing all its customers’ accounts and selling off its assets at a fire sale? Because the second scenario is what is happening to WAMU, not the first one.
    ……………………..

    Thank you Angie,

    You get an A + in Finance class! We must push for all of this BAIL OUT to be placed ON-LINE…ASAP!

    Come on PUMAs get those calls out to your representatives:

    NO MONEY FOR ACORN

    ALL BAIL OUT INFORMATION ON-LINE

    ALL THOSE VOTING…THEIR VOTES ON-LINE AND ESPECIALLY THOSE VOTING PRESENT!

    THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE WHAT IS BEING DONE WITH THEIR TAX MONEY!

  166. “Charles, if they print it, is it any good? I don’t see how we can keep printing money without something to back the value. Am I being naive here?”

    Isn’t all our money backed up on just faith, anyway? Haven’t we been off the gold standard for ages? I’m obviously your typical economic dunderhead, but I could swear I read once that there’s some mechanism in place that’s pretty much eliminated hyperinflationary pressures.

  167. My god, they went to bed without a deal, and fingers are being pointed at the Republicans and McCain. It does not look good for McCain. My heart has sunk.

  168. i’ve just deleted Talkleft from my bookmarks
    oh well i’m stuck here

  169. “Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, has received nearly 17,000 e-mail messages, nearly all opposed to the bailout, her office said. More than 2,000 constituents called Ms. Boxer’s California office on Tuesday alone; just 40 favored the bailout. Her Washington office received 918 calls. Just one supported the rescue plan. ”

    Wow, I thought it was just Rs who were pissed about this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/business/25voices.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

  170. Brittania, that is because they wanted John McCain to convince the Republicans that this is the only thing to do, the right thing to do. But it seems (see post above) that very few people want this to happen.

  171. Regency, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:49 pm Said:

    Guess that economics class taught me something.

    Is it just me or is Hillary really suspiciously absent? After being everywhere yesterday (wasn’t it?) she’s just…not…there.
    ……………………………

    My guess is that Obama threw a fit and DEMANDED that she not be present. He thought since the DNC was his the country was too. Then Bill Clinton shows up and starts with the Clinton Global Initiative and McCain says he is going to speak there, then Hillary is all over the place with people asking for the ‘Smart Woman’ to tell them what is going on, what can be done and she does…posting all items on-line. Then the Wall Street Journal posts her stuff too and NO ONE IS ASKING BO…would you?

    So, if the DNC was smart they would put Hillary in front to lead the senate as it might help their down ticket Dems and lord knows they need help.

    So, that is my take.

  172. Somebody mentioned the Sweden example yesterday to me, after reading it in the NYT but it’s hard to make the analogy because what we have here is a gazillion times bigger and we have a very high number of illiquid assets.

    Did you guys know that the GDP of Sweden is roughly equal to the GDP of NC?

  173. “It boggles the mind that Washington would play politics like this. Washington is truly broken.”

    on the other hand i actually almost know a macarthur genius awardee. pretty cool

    time for bed

  174. nv swing voter, but impressions are everything to the undecided voters. And the stories coming out are so skewed for Obama—Obama is the hero while McCain is the antagonist. Obama asked many questions at the meeting, while McCain was silent. McCain did not take a stand. These are the stories they are saying. What the hell is that all about? I am so pissed off.

  175. Why is it bad for McCain? McCain looks like the hero now. He lucked into this, too, he came back to push the deal, now he’s getting credit for the deal falling through.

  176. i was going to say that i totally agree with this statement and I repeat:
    It boggles the mind that Washington would play politics like this. Washington is truly broken.

  177. thanks for the kudos Voting Woman 🙂

    #
    plural, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:51 pm Said:

    I asked a question.

    Do I need to be insulted for asking a question?
    #

    plural, you asked a question, I and several other posters took a little time to answer your question and you feel insulted? you’re being a teensy bit ungrateful, imo.

  178. Voting Woman I agree with your take 100% — BO knew that if Hillary was there she would show him up (because she actually knows what she is talking about and can express herself in a way so that everyone else can understand what she is talking about — two talents BO seriously lacks).

    Woman Voter, on September 26th, 2008 at 12:13 am Said:

    Regency, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:49 pm Said:

    Guess that economics class taught me something.

    Is it just me or is Hillary really suspiciously absent? After being everywhere yesterday (wasn’t it?) she’s just…not…there.
    ……………………………

    My guess is that Obama threw a fit and DEMANDED that she not be present. He thought since the DNC was his the country was too. Then Bill Clinton shows up and starts with the Clinton Global Initiative and McCain says he is going to speak there, then Hillary is all over the place with people asking for the ‘Smart Woman’ to tell them what is going on, what can be done and she does…posting all items on-line. Then the Wall Street Journal posts her stuff too and NO ONE IS ASKING BO…would you?

    So, if the DNC was smart they would put Hillary in front to lead the senate as it might help their down ticket Dems and lord knows they need help.

    So, that is my take.

  179. night all.

  180. Some fun before bedtime:

  181. Seriously:

    If Obama got caught building bombs with William Ayers in Louis Farrakan’s basement the Obamabloggers (like Jeralyn) would scream it was bad news for McCain.

  182. Britannia, if swing voters are listening to the media, then Mccain never had a chance anyway. We just have to hope that GE voters are as smart as primary voters in rejecting the spin. They’ve done everything they can to beatify Obama, and it hasn’t worked so far. People still don’t like Obama, and now they don’t trust the media.

  183. I’m confused, though, Charles. Krugman isn’t sure this crisis isn’t partially made up for Bush to get more money for his friends on Wall Street. I can’t decide what i think of this.

    On another note, German foreign minister says our two-teired banking system has wrought this disaster, and as of today we are no longer the superpower.

  184. Carol, on September 25th, 2008 at 11:59 pm Said:
    Carol Diamonds knows about Jamie Diamond.

    Seriously?

  185. “oh well i’m stuck here”

    Could be worse, jonas. There’s always salon….

  186. Are people aware that the disgusting video playing all day on MSNBC and NBC about McCain’s cancer was paid for by Dean’s brother?

    It’s playing on NBC too?! I heard Jeff Zucker was involved in it’s creation. Someone with know-how really needs to organize a full-scale boycott of NBC. It has deteriorated to the point of obscenity.

    Charles: I don’t know why you still think this benefits Obama. I think the momentum has completely shifted again in the past 24 hours with his lame response to this crisis. McCain looks like a man of decisive action. Regardless of how the media spins it, people see him taking charge. Obama looks like he’s been assigned to study hall.

  187. LOL Well, it would be, myiq, because the first place they’d take their bombs would be McCain’s house–and then we’d hear that he has too many anyway and the Weathermen ALWAYS give their victims a chance to vacate–if they refuse, they deserve what they get.

  188. I’m confused, though, Charles. Krugman isn’t sure this crisis isn’t partially made up for Bush to get more money for his friends on Wall Street. I can’t decide what i think of this.

    Krugman is not alone. Conservatives feel this way too, and that’s why they are pushing for a “work out” instead of a bail out. Make them pay it back over time. Gingrich is pushing this approach, instead of throwing money at these institutions.

  189. “I heard Jeff Zucker was involved in it’s creation”

    WHAT? How do his bosses at Universal feel about that?

  190. Brittania, MSM is in the tank for Obama, anythihng to make sure he comes out good. I know solid hard core Rs who asked me today why is John McCain chickening out on the debate? Why doesn’t he address the economy. Hmmmm….. JM gave a plan Friday, as in last week, that MSM ignored, while Obama was plastered over the news Tuesday when he finally said something, but not much of anything …. JM and Obama are Senators first, candidates second … they have a job to do don’t you think. What’s more important, doing your job when necessary, or planning to debate what your next job should be.

    I told them all to turn off the View and Oprah and put on their thinking caps and start researching the internet if they really wanted to know what was going on … and I gave them the link to this thread … told them the first candidate to address this crap was Hillary Clinton who is all but being ignored by MSM.

    Apologies if I threw any trolls this way.

  191. To All Discussing ACORN: Do you have the same feeling of incredulity that I do – how low can the Democrats go? The level of corruption and manipulation, and its sheer crassness is depressing and scary. Blame the Mainstream Media – Obama, DNC had gotten away with everything else this season, from playing the Race Card from the bottom of a stacked deck, to blatant misogyny, and now earmarks in the Bail-Out package for ACORN just in time to commit voter fraud before/on Election Day.

    And I say that as a lifelong Democrat…

  192. Seriously (the person not the adverb), according to reason (at least mine) there should not have been eight years of Bush. You understand the reason for my panic. But I also understand what you are saying. And I hope to high heaven that you are right.

  193. I received an email to come to the Democratic happy hour to meet ……………………..

    I emailed back:

    PUMA Where did you get my email address?

    She emailed me back:

    You are going down like a rock. Don’t come to Democratic Caucus if you don’t want to be contacted.

    I emailed back:

    I won’t ask again without reporting you. And, if you ever have a Democratic Caucus instead of a grand theft, I will show up.

    I have not heard back yet.

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  194. Seriously, on September 26th, 2008 at 12:23 am Said:

    LOL
    ………………………

    BOMBINGS are never funny and you need to research Ayers a bit more before you hold him up as Robin Hood. McCain and his houses?!? McCain lived in the lap of horror for 5+ years as a POW and I dare say I wouldn’t have lasted a week there. So, if he has more than one house, good for him, I don’t begrudge him his success.

    I find it humbling that he gives most of his senate salary to charity and still wants to serve his country. So, attack his policies if you can but leave personal petty issues aside…we are in a crisis here for the love of GOD.

  195. BREAKING…

    What? ACORN Given 20% of Bailout Money under Original Bailout Proposal???????

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/what-acorn-given-20-of-bailout-money-under-original-bailout-proposal/

    Revealed tonight on Greta Van Susteren….

  196. Can you imagine Dean as president? The good people of this country cut him off quick!

  197. Money is funneled to ACORN for ‘programs’….shit, sounds like money being funneled to people like Rezko…

  198. Woman Voter:

    Reading is a life skill

    You owe Seriously a serious apology

  199. I know, Britannia, but the difference is this time people aren’t listening to the media. Last time, they went after Dean and told people to vote Kerry, and it happened. This time, they said that HRC was a piece of subhuman trash and BO was the Messiah–and people said whatever, turned off the TV and continued to vote for her. They tried harder to bring her down than they ever did to anybody, and people weren’t buying. It’s almost unprescedented in recent years for Democrats not to let the media pick the candidate for us, and they never took it to this extreme before. I think it’s a very hopeful sign, although it is hard for Mcacin in that he has a very difficult time getting his message out.

  200. fif, Charles

    And all those who are interested in economic policy (ie the bailout “package”), I recommend you read the post below, although I got it from Greg Mankiw.

    I realized that most academic economist oppose the Paulson plan while Wall Street economists and purely finance geeks support it by and large. I thought it would be too easy to say it’s because the latter group wants to have its hands on the money. Anyway read this and see what you think:

    A Defense of the Paulson Plan

    The Treasury proposal to rescue the financial system has gotten a lot of grief lately, especially from the community of economics professors. A smart friend, who knows more about this topic than I do, emails me his response to the critics:

    It’s very well written.

  201. “I won’t ask again without reporting you. And, if you ever have a Democratic Caucus instead of a grand theft, I will show up.”

    The eff? It looks like Donna is running your get-together.

  202. Whoops, sorry carol, I meant to copy your person’s unprofessional response.

  203. Seriously – that is my message to her. She got my email address from someone, and I want to know where. And she should not have told me my candidate was going down like a rock!

  204. Newt thinks he will come out smelling like a rose for preventing this bailout that so many people oppose as written.

  205. Seriously, on September 26th, 2008 at 12:36 am Said:

    I know, Britannia, but the difference is this time people aren’t listening to the media. Last time, they went after Dean and told people to vote Kerry, and it happened. This time, they said that HRC was a piece of subhuman trash and BO was the Messiah–and people said whatever, turned off the TV and continued to vote for her.
    …………………………………..

    Sorry, it would appear I am too upset tonight and miss understood your earlier post. Can you provide the link to this, about HRC being called subhuman trash. I am keeping track of all of these and would appreciate a link.

    Thanks.

  206. Here is a really funny video from politichill (I think affiliated with politico.com):

    SARAH PALIN REACTS to Tina Fey SNL Spoof

  207. I know Carol, sorry, I copied that part by mistake. I can’t believe anyone would say that you’re going down like a rock OR that you shouldn’t go to the caucus if you don’t want to be contacted. That is so bush league. I’ve been yelled at and hung up on while making calls and had doors slammed in my face, but I would never say anything like that to anybody. It’s like, first rule–be polite, don’t alienate voters even if it’s clear you have no shot at them or you shouldn’t be representing teh campaign/

  208. In a cursory search I found this article discussing ACORN and its role in the subprime mortgage mess. I don’t know if the source is credible, but the article hits a couple of points that are a bit “troubling.” Anybody know about any of this?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo125.html

  209. But Bill Clinton thinks there does need to be some sort of liquidity added to the market. I don’t know. This is confusing.

  210. Obama supporters: We put the id in the Democratic Party! Now with 35% fewer social skills!

  211. Well, he’s not sold on the deal as-is.

  212. Okay, I’m officially confused.

    On Monday, the bailout deal was vilified on the lefty blogs as a horrible idea.

    Then McCain was accused of grandstanding for suspending his campaign to go to DC and deal with the crisis. Yesterday Obama wasn’t even needed there.

    Now it’s McCain’s fault the bailout deal fell apart.

  213. Woman Voter, that’s cool. (And thanks myiq)

    Nobody ever said “subhuman trash” to my knowledge, it’s just my poetic interpretation of the overall thrust of the coverage of HRC vs. BO.

  214. I think Markos said he would primary any Dem who voted for the bailout.

  215. He did say ACORN, and this is why I am preparing to leave this country should Osama and his gang steal the election. They will bankrupt this country, enslave white people, pillage, rape, you name it they already have it on their TO DO lists.

    The very fact that OUR alleged elected officials could DARE to put Acorn’s name in any thing but an indictment is proof positive that the end is near. VERY near….

    Survivor may no longer be a swarmy televison show, it may actually be REALity. And instead of the winner getting one million dollars, the winner may just get to escape from…..America.

    Germany was ready for Hitler, and vice versa. America is probably ready for Nobama, and he for her, so I am just praying that enough of us are still lucid and have enough brain cells to fight the power.

    I am a smart, successful, independent person who has read enough to know that I speak the truth. No one may care, but I just want to be one of the voices that might be remembered as screaming WAKE UP PEOPLE…please wake up!!

  216. Ruh-roh!

    I may have finally pissed Jeralyn off enough to ban me.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/26/05146/2854#1

  217. jennifer – we are awake, we haven’t slept since January 3, 2008. 42% of Hillary’s aren’t voting Obama. He can’t win without us. So, he won’t win.

  218. “I think Markos said he would primary any Dem who voted for the bailout.”

    It’s a little late for that, isn’t it?

    Does Markos think he’ll be anyone by the next election?

  219. Charles,

    Are you saying that you support the Paulson proposal as is? The one the gives him all the money to distribute in any way he wants without any legislative or judicial review allowed and no questioning any of this decisions?

  220. Yep, she deleted my comment.

    I said “Meanwhile, what has Obama done? Nothing”

  221. Jerelyn is a very very sad case of cult mind control. She went down so quickly, it was stunning.

  222. When he says primary, does that mean we get a do-over?

  223. And now I have been banned

  224. MyIq,

    What does she do — put some type of hex on your e-mail? To be honest, the only times I have ever gone to TL is when you have been a bad clown. Now, I will never go.

  225. Can you ask Armando to reactivate you?

  226. I don’t think Hill should be Senate Majority Leader. I don’t think it would happen anyway. But I think it would be a horrible waste of her talents.

  227. BTW, the concern troll from this afternoon is on the caption this thread

  228. Has anyone heard of the san francisco examiner? I assume they are rightwing. They endorsed McCain.

  229. I believe Peggy Noonan is certifiably insane but I find her latest column pretty good:

    Party of One

    I think she’s right on here:

    I agree with the cliché that when the issue is the economy, voters have a greater tendency to turn to the Democrats. The economy is a Democratic issue. But I am not at all certain that this is benefiting Barack Obama. The polls are dead even. This is astounding. The Democrat, after two wars and an unprecedented economic crisis, should be 10 or 20 points up right now. The polls say Mr. Obama is rising, but if he’s not sweeping now, he’s losing.

    Here I think is a central problem. I don’t think voters see Mr. Obama as “the Democrat.” I think they see him as Obama—unusual, singular. He’s not your basic Dem, he’s his own phenomenon, his own distinctive and, in a way, partyless self. “I am one of you,” said the last two Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. But Mr. Obama doesn’t carry that vibration, or fit into the old categories. Is he a lunch-pail Dem? No. Old-time big-city ethnic Dem? Southern Dem? Nah. He’s new, young, and still exotic. He’s cerebral, urbane, detached. I suspect he picked Joe Biden in part because Mr. Biden is part of the Democratic brand in a way Mr. Obama isn’t.

    What should he do? The answer to that is connected to another question. It is: Isn’t it odd, and discomfiting, that we know so little about how each candidate thinks? What his philosophy is? We know their specific stands, but as to how they think, Mr. McCain often seems to be making it up as he goes along, and Mr. Obama often seems to be concealing it.

    Here’s a way to reveal more. Mr. Obama should give a series of speeches on “Why I am a Democrat.” What does he think it means to be a Democrat? What is the Democratic Party, what is its role and purpose in America’s political life? What does it exist to do? Why does it matter?

    For Mr. Obama this might have the virtue of associating himself with an old brand, as they say, which might make him look less alone up there. It might help him speak to and persuade older working-class and middle-class Democrats, especially women. But more important, it might make how and what he thinks clearer to everyone, to all voters.

  230. I totally agree, masslib. It’s a nest of vipers, and they don’t care how bad they look to the American people. They’d do everything they could to undercut her just for spite. After’s Kerry’s remarks about UHC, it’s a no-brainer.You can’t lead this useless bunch.

    BTW, the con cern tr oll from this afternoon is on the caption this thread

  231. masslib:

    The SF Chronoicles used to be Letwing but Charles must know. I remember that Chris Matthews used to write for them.

    Any SF paper endorsing McCain is a miracle.

  232. Masslib, I agree with you. At this point in the Senate, majority leader is much like Nurse Ratched always doling out the placebos for egomania or the fire marshal at an asbestos testing lab.

  233. MABlue, the examiner not chronicle. The chronicle is left wing.

  234. “I believe Peggy Noonan is certifiably insane”

    Oh my gosh, was it the one where she had dolphins sent by God rescuing Elian Gonzales or the one where she wrote an entire column in what she was representing as an African American dialect? I believe that MoDo pays Peggy to make her look better by comparison.

  235. this comment left on another news article was too good not to share

    By: derrekmichigan
    B R E A K I NG N E W S
    Obama to debate Biden in Mississippi Friday night.
    Sources close to Senator Joe Lieberman say that the senator received a phone call from Senator Borak Obama while on the campaign trail late Thursday after noon. The source, who did not want to be identified because of fear he was closely followed a black sedan with Illinois license plates, told me that Senator Borak Obama had bad feeling that the Minority Leaders in the Senate and the House of Representatives will be Proposing a Buy Out Plan to congress that 55 to 65 percent of America is asking for. But based on the time table Senator John McCain, the Republican Presidential Candidate would be working late into Friday night to help save America from one of the biggest economic disasters of the new century. Senator Obama was afraid that standing on the stage debating his lectern might look a little like the embarrassing moment he had earlier in the week. Senator Biden was also informed that he and his running mate had several things to debate that may be more important to the American people than the emergency situation of the US Economy. Senator Obama did say he would leave his Cell Number with Senator Harry Reid in case he was needed.

  236. If anyone’s bored out there – watch this great football catch:

  237. Myiq – consider it a badge of honor. You’re sane. Jeralyn no longer is.

  238. masslib:

    I actually meant the Examiner. I think it’s bedtime because I’m getting confused.

  239. Oh, thanks, MA. Good to know.

  240. Hey Charles, are you still here? You talked about consumer retrenchment before, so i was wondering, what should we as consumers do? Like, if we have things we need to but but were planning on putting them off because of the economy, should we go ahead and buy them? I’m assuming we should avoid using credit cards whenever possible unless we can pay them off in full because the interest rates are going to jump?

  241. myiq: keep it up and you will be talking to yourself!

    Well, I guess those of us pathetic dead-enders will probably still enjoy your company.

  242. Larry at NQ has a post up and links to ACORN. I also heard today that the Dems got ACORN $500 million in the housing bailout a few months ago. There is a Republican Rep from Minnesota, sorry I can’t remember her name, but she is the one screaming about the earmarks the Dems are trying to get in this bailout. Reid tried to hide a ban on off shore drilling and a ban on extracting oil from shale in it? God, are these people all Manchurian candidates?

  243. Peggy Noonan must read this site.

    I referred to “Obama, party of one” the other night.

  244. I do not want to be reinstated at TL.

    I wanted to see how long it would take for me to be banned even if I followed Jeralyn’s “rules” but told the truth.

    Obama supporters seem to have an issue with the truth.

  245. multitasking–

    Does that mean Barack is going to convene his subcommittee for hearings into Afghanistan?.

  246. McCain’s Gamble
    He took a risk answering his 3 AM call, but electorally, may be his only chance to move past Obama’s media
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/mccains-gamble/

  247. Nice summary, edge.

    He grew on me enough to vote for him on my absentee ballot. Not sure it will make a difference in California but I felt good doing it.

  248. Makes me wonder though – if an agreement is reached today, will the media change the rules on McCain like they changed them on Hillary for Super Tuesday? Will they try to credit Obama anyway?

    the latest from McCain “No deal, no debate”
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/mccain-no-deal-no-debate/

  249. ACORN are Obama’s brownshirts, of course he’s looking out for them, without them he could never win elections.

    McCain and the House Republicans are trying to negotiate a hard bargain that is more fair and equitable for American taxpayers… they are trying to do the the job they were elected to do and look out for the people’s interests, not just the interests of a select few. Kudos to them. They are trying to get the American taxpayer a fairer deal.

  250. Read NQ’s ACORN the poison pill. PDF of bailout proposal is there with earmarks

  251. PUMAs will decide this election (although we are referred to as ‘anti-Bush voters)
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/puma-powerwhere-will-the-anti-bush-voters-go/

  252. Linda said: “are any of you aware that the Dem Congress allowed a provision in the last defense bill that WILL DEPLOY U.S. TROOPS under Homeland Security in the event of a “crisis” in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act”
    I posted that on another thread yesterday – scary stuff

  253. Take a break with kenosha Marge…

    Celebrity Endorsements and Other Annoyances

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/celebrity-endorsements-and-other-annoyances/

  254. MABlue, on September 26th, 2008 at 1:20 am Said:

    Here I think is a central problem. I don’t think voters see Mr. Obama as “the Democrat.” I think they see him as Obama—unusual, singular. He’s not your basic Dem, he’s his own phenomenon, his own distinctive and, in a way, partyless self. “I am one of you,” said the last two Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. But Mr. Obama doesn’t carry that vibration, or fit into the old categories. Is he a lunch-pail Dem? No. Old-time big-city ethnic Dem? Southern Dem? Nah. He’s new, young, and still exotic. He’s cerebral, urbane, detached. I suspect he picked Joe Biden in part because Mr. Biden is part of the Democratic brand in a way Mr. Obama isn’t.

    The problem is Obama spent the primary praising republicans and their presidents. What good thing did he say about Democrats – nothing. He is running as the Democratic Presidential nominee but also running away from the Democratic brand.

  255. What Caused the Financial Crisis:

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