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Protesting the Election of 2008

As we worked very hard for a different outcome to the end of the 2008 Democratic Primary season, we have come to realize that our power as PUMA’s should not be judged on that one lone outcome.  We have effected change within the process which would have never taken place had it not been for people like us who demanded that the principles of democracy are upheld.  Even though they spit in our face every step of the way, the mere act of them doing so has shined a light so bright on the corruption and power hungry that it will never be forgotten.

PUMA’s are now known as a voting block.  Who would have ever thought such a thing could happen?  We have been called republicans, we have been called bitter, we have been called (gasp) feminists who only want a vagina in charge in the White House and things much worse I don’t want to put down on paper, but you get the gist.  Now though, we are seen as a group who has some leverage, some power at a time when we felt most powerless.  It is through the hard work of every single person who has read a blog and felt moved to take an action.  It is through the donations of hard working people to keep things running.  It is through us in our commitment to that one common goal that we regain our rightful, full power within the system.  We have just begun to realize that the power that is held from us, is moving ever so slowly back into the hands of the people it belongs too.

Our work is not complete.  We must continue to protest the Primary Election of 2008.  Election Day, November 4, 2008 is less than two months away.  How do we continue to exert the power, keep the movement going, make sure that the injustices that brought us to this dance are not forgotten.  There are quite a few different ways that can be done.  We have all known that the defeat of Barack Obama in the year of 2008 is one of our goals.  I want to reiterate that yes, the defeat of Barack Obama is most important to our movement in this very short time frame.  The power we so want to see placed back in its rightful place is heavily dependent upon it.

But what happens to PUMA’s after November 4th 2008.  What do we stand for?  Do we stand only for the defeat of Barack Obama?  Or do we stand for more? Do we stand ready to fight the injustices, corruption and downright criminality of people in power who have perpetrated this fraud upon us?  I hope so.  How do we stay united once Barack loses?  I would like to suggest one simple answer.

We stay united by continuing to fight the fight we have fought thus far.  We make it known we are making a protest vote so real “change” can have a chance.  If we go off on tangents forgetting what has brought us all together in the first place we lose what will keep us together in the end.

A vote is a persons most valuable asset.  A protest vote, whether it be voting republican, write in, third party or no vote at all is all that should be asked of you along with your strong commitment to fixing the corruption and fraud and biases.  This is about much more than defeating Obama alone and I ask that everyone who has given an ounce of energy to this important cause to remember that.

In that same vein, I have seen many posts by people who have decided that they will vote for John McCain.  That is fine and good.  Just please remember that not every single person you encounter in this movement can cast that vote.  A vote is a personal decision, one of conscience.  If PUMA’s begin to start demanding how others should vote, we will split wide open.  We have to remember that there are two common threads that hold us all together.

The first is that we will not vote for Obama.  No matter how you get there is fine. Whether it is not voting at the top of the ticket, voting third party, or writing in Hillary or voting for John McCain in protest.  It is imperative that we force change and delivering a defeat to Barack Obama on November 4th is a critical goal.

Secondly, to force change, we must remain united in the common issues that brought us here.  We are not republicans, we are democrats, we must always remember what brought us together.

  • Michigan and Florida being stripped of all delegates
  • Sexism in the Media
  • Sexism in the Democratic Party
  • Good people being called racists
  • Good democrats being called republicans
  • The calls for Hillary to drop out even though the delegate count was close
  • The party forcing an unvetted, inexperienced candidate down our throats
  • A top down selection versus a bottom up selection of a democratic presidential nominee
  • Caucus Fraud
  • May 31st
  • The roll call vote

I am sure there are more.  We all have our own special pet projects, it’s a loose coalition.  Just like the democratic party use to be.  Be respectful to one another, stick together in our common goals and we will achieve victory on November 4th and position ourselves as a powerhouse in American politics to demand the changes we know are so desperately needed.

xpost from www.nowewont.org

372 Responses

  1. My goal, as with most PUMAs, is the overthrow and defeat of the current DNC who slapped this travesty together. Great post, Sheri. As always, the voice of all PUMAs must stay as one. We will get there.

  2. I always refer to myself as a Bitter Hillary Dead Ender.

  3. FYI – Lou Dobbs just had a segment with Kitty Pilgrim covering election fraud, including Obama’s ACORN group! Hooray! Finally, someone from the MSM is covering this, if only Lou/Kitty.

    ACORN was featured on No Quarter, other PUMA blogs, too in the recent past.

  4. I love lou dobbs. Even when he’s wrong, he’s at least sincere with it.

    I’m with Pat…after November 4th, my attention is all on donna brazille, howard dean, and others who were complicit in this disaster.

  5. I’m here, and starting Nov 5th we lobby for cleaning house in the party. Want my vote or money or support for Dems in 2010? Clean house.

    And thank you for the reminder that everyone here OWNS THEIR VOTE. I happen to be voting McCain, and think it’s the most effective, but I will never, ever tell another PUMA that they must.

    I own my vote, you own yours. PUMA HAKA! 👿

  6. MYgoal is to keep making the citizens of this country that it is their right not a privledge to have fair elections.
    It is their DUTY to make sure fair elections happen every cycle.
    That they cannot and should not be quiet when fraud and injustice occurs.
    We have a chance to make a difference and a chance to teach future generations.



  7. Agree. PUMA just might be *the* impetus for the DNC to revamp the corrupt super-delegate/convention “rules.” If Obama won, the DNC would have zero motivation to re-establish the seemingly forgotten, novel idea of…. democracy. Pleh.

    I’m more fired up about PUMA than ever. Hells yeah!

  8. Um, caucus fraud isn’t on the list? That’s a pretty big issue.

    I’d add that if you make a protest vote you can say so without making McCain/Palin into paragons of virtue. Doing so will lose you esteem in the Dem party. That said, you don’t have to illegitimately trash them.

  9. I’m in. And if we can clean up the media all the better.

  10. should read making the citizens of this country AWARE

  11. I know our goal and after this election we will have to work quite hard to keep Hillary in the game. Because Governor Palin is a blank slate much like Obama is. A lot of her church stuff really freaks me out. Admittedly, I’m beyond all those issues but it’s going to be up to Hillary top stop her dead in her tracks.

  12. Ben: What about her church bother you?

  13. When I vote in Maryland, I vote for a person and the ballot says that they are ‘pledged’ to a candidate. I want that person to honor that commitment and to vote for the person to whom they are pledged at the convention. I want the undemocratic caucuses done away with. I want registered Democrats to vote in the Democratic primaries. I really do not want that much 😀

  14. Honora: You want stuff you thought you had already. Who knew were working at a deficit?

  15. BO on O’Reilly now.

  16. Honora, yes. No more open primaries, and NO MORE CAUCUSES.

  17. gqmartinez

    so right, i will add it. one of the biggies!

  18. And ra*cists. Don’t forget — we’ll get called that. Repeatedly. It’ll be the single most commonly-tossed around word, after “the.”

  19. PUMAS should celebrate:

    ABC: White Women Shift to McCain as Republican Erodes Obama Lead on Change, Enthusiasm
    White women have moved from 50-42 percent in Obama’s favor before the conventions to 53-41 percent for McCain now, a 20-point shift in the margin that’s one of the single biggest post-convention changes in voter preferences. The other, also to McCain’s advantage, is in the battleground Midwest, where he’s moved from a 19-point deficit to a 7-point edge.

    amazingly abc/wapo claim that, despite this shift, it’s a “Dead Heat: John McCain, Barack Obama Even in Post-Convention Poll”! yes, that is the headline of the above piece!!!

    still so much crap in the corpmedia today. will they ever learn?

    lessons from 08:

    electoral reform – top priority – with one person, one vote to replace the current crooked electoral college vote system

    no caucuses

    shorter elections campaigns

    equal time for candidates in the media

    complete clean-out of the dem party

  20. Reg: apparently, they are doing “pray to end gay” events there. I would just like to hear from her that her faith is just that her faith and is not going to set the agenda. however, i trust mccain on these issues.

  21. Thank you Tangles. Who we are is the Democratic Majority, the Democratic Core Membership that was defrauded and disenfranchised. This is our party, not this ill begotten movement and corrupt DNC leadership that sprang up and stole the nomination. The Clinton Democrat represents the continuity of the best and historic values of this party and is best able to clean up the damage and bring this country back. We are taking a step backwards to reclaim the future. We’ll get there.

    The Constitution The Bill of Rights The Rule of Law

  22. Ben: Is this her current church or the one she abandoned for being too extreme a few years ago?

  23. McCain returns to Hotel Hanoi video.

  24. I agree with everything but the “no vote”. As a citizen your duty is to vote.

    Our military, our country, our planet depend on it. It is not a right, it is a duty.


  25. I think this is the Wassila Bible Church where she now attends.

  26. I’m ready to clean up the mess.

    I hope we can continue to stay united while respecting our differences.

    Don’t forget that Obama’s stock in trade is “Divide and Conquer.”


  27. The overall female vote depends heavily on Hispanic women. Hillary would probably have gotten 75% of Hispanic women, combined with 90+ African American women. Obama is going to lose the male vote and if he loses the female vote, he’s toast. This should send chills to every Democrat running for Office and who supported Obama.

  28. OT, but did anyone see BO on O’Reilly just now? I am hearing it was bad, that he stumbled all over the place.

  29. He continues to defend the Capital Gains Tax increase. He is an idiot. Wall Street has already said it will crash if he trys to implement it. They bring in more revenue with a lessor tax.

  30. I have a feeling that if, as now seems likely, the Obama ship sinks into the deep blue sea (or is it the deep red sea?) on November 4, the feature length documentary “The Audacity of Democracy” may become the surprise blockbuster of 2009. I hope that the film-maker fully manages to capture the travesty of election ’08.

  31. That church (her former one I believe) hosted a seminar on pray/gay.
    I read the blurb in the S.F. Chronicle, which has worked overtime to sell
    Obama from Day 1, and it sounded like guilt-by- association. I’m sure that
    one of the organizations I’ve belonged to has hosted events that I don’t agree
    with. In fact, I don’t agree with everything any church I’ve known about sponsors. I don’t agree with the way the DNC has run this primary, and refused to be blamed for it.

  32. Absolutely no more caucuses ….
    ONE vote ONE person .. and

    Can I throw in no dead voters?? 😉

  33. swanspirit – Where is the fun in that??????

  34. And down with imaginary voters. That was an RBC travesty, alloting delegates based on the way someone might have voted had they actually bothered to vote. And then handing over write-in votes that were never counted because they were cast contrary to the word of state law. Let’s not talk about giving a chosen candidate’s vote to someone who wasn’t even on the ballot–by choice!

  35. Carol, Bill Clinton proved you wrong re: capital gains taxes. He was told in 1993 the economy would tank if he raised that tax. Well, he raised it and the economy still surged. Btw, you never make more in revenues with less taxes. Not even serious conservative economists say that. Read Paul Krugman, he debunks much of the of the conservative lies regarding the economy, with the data to back it up.

  36. Carol.. darn it !!! it isnt the fun ……….its the smell 😉

  37. voters who didn’t vote can not be awarded to obama!

  38. Unless she takes that pray/gay seminar speaker on the campaign trail with her and hands him a microphone, she still beats Bambi on that issue.

  39. I thought Obama threw the LGTB under the bus early on in the game. Didn’t he even refuse to have his photo taken with a gay public official? That’s not only disrespectful, it’s cowardly. Didn’t his (pardon the word) package water down the protection of LGTB civil rights?

  40. Ara: Gavin Newsome: Mayor of San Fran. Donny McClurkin took the cake though.

  41. NO exit poll delegates!!

  42. I second the imaginary voters thing…
    I thought imaginary voters only happened in cartoons til i saw the DNC in action May 31….
    when they said
    ” ok they voted , but we didnt like the way they voted so lets make pretend they voted the way we wanted them to vote” ….

    so I say to them
    lets play for real your candidate loses in the general election…

  43. I’m not a fan of the commentators for ESPN monday night football. I miss Al and Dan. (I didn’t watch MNF last year so its all new to me.)

  44. Okay, you all know where I stand. But I will say this once again for the last time:

    Leaving the ballot blank (“going topless”) or casting your vote for a third party is not as effective as voting for McCain/Palin. I won’t go so far as to say it is a “waste” of your vote and I certainly understand that many of you are choking on the thought of voting for a Republican. But Obama can still win this thing. This will go down to the wire. What you are seeing now is a convention bounce for McCain. It won’t last.

    If you vote for McCain/Palin your vote will take out an Obot. If you write in Hillary Clinton or vote for Nader/whoever or leave it blank, no one will care. (I know, I voted for Perot in ’92 to “protest” GHWB. No one gave a damn. And trust me, if Obama wins you will not feel better.)

    In addition, you will have played a role in electing the first female Vice President of the United States. And you will set up Clinton v.s. Palin in 2012. How sweet is that thought? I really hope my daughters get to see that. I hope *I* get to see that!

    Clean up both parties in ’08 and start rebuilding. McCain is not “four more years of Bush.” The Palin pick should make that obvious. McCain is cleaning house on the Republican side too. If Obama is defeated badly, the Democrats will rally around Hillary Clinton. If Obama wins, Hillary Clinton’s presidential hopes are finished. In 2016 she will be 69, so I suppose she could pull off what McCain has, but the odds are slim.

  45. Go over and read the joke by

    Zeke at 19:17:07

    on NQ in the Ayers article.


  46. NH Said:
    I’m in. And if we can clean up the media all the better.

    Perhaps that could be where we begin. The media clearly played the country like an instrument. Despite Obama being post peak on March 4, the media pumped him up nonetheless. With that Greek Chorus of “moving the goalposts” (as if it were ever anything but Nov 4), they were practically the ringleaders.

    I have a number of strategical and tactical ideas I’d be willing to discuss with anyone here. Our media is an embarrassment and a liability. They cannot be the drivers of policy because they are reckless and it’s not their role. And they flip-flop more than the politicians (anyone remember the run-up to Iraq?).

  47. I am taking out an obot for sure woohoooo

  48. Dave is not our ally folks.

  49. In Pennsylvania during the Democratic (sic) primary, more delegates were awarded per vote in areas like Philadelphia and suburbs, than in the rural areas of PA (where we “cling” to things)

    One person, one vote
    All votes valued equally
    Count all the votes

    Got democracy?

  50. I would like to look into the states’ paying for the primaries, as well. When we argue that there constitutional standards should apply, we are hit with the argument that the parties are private entities and those rules do not apply. Well, that is fine but then state money should not be used to run the elections. Unions pay for their campaigns, neighborhood groups and church groups do not get money for elections, if the political parties want to have the ability to make their own rules then they should use their own money. I don’t want to pay for sham.

  51. Dave:

    Okay, you all know where I stand. But I will say this once again for the last time:

    Is that a promise? I hope so. Everytime I see your name here Michael Jackson’s “Never Can Say Goodbye” goes through my head.

  52. Dave wants McCain. We want NOT Obama. That leaves McCain for President. We all know what his motivations are. He’s hardly obscuring his intentions.

  53. gqmartinez, speaking as a guy who paid over $1 million in capital gains taxes in 2000–it wasn’t real.

    The tech boom was the modern Tulip Mania. When a stock is trading at a P/E ratio of 110 it means that a company has to return 100% of *revenues* to the shareholders for years on end to make the investment attractive compared to putting money in the bank. Of course with the share prices that high, we’re going to sell. If someone came up to you and offered you $5 million for your car, wouldn’t you just hand him the keys and damn the capital gains taxes? That’s what happened. This has nothing to do with stimulating the economy in a recession–which is the current scenario.

  54. Honora … I am in Maryland too ….
    on the eastern shore want to email me me ?? swannieATcygnusradio.com

  55. We’re not going to get real election reform until we get rid of gerrymandering. There can never be a middle choice because every district in America favors the incumbent, which favors party polarization. Incumbents only get thrown out when something horrendous happens, and even then it’s not a guarantee.

  56. Sheri — great post!! Loved reading it here — I didnt know you were a Conflucian blogger!

    Thank you so much for clearly and eloquently explaining the heart of the Puma Movement and our goals going forward.

    Talk to you tomorrow night, on The Lion’s Share!

  57. Dave may be a troll, but I think he has a point. Of course, we all own our votes and should vote our conscience, but I plan on ‘supersizing’ my protest.

  58. Dave is not an ally, and mostly has not pretended to be. He’s an interested Republican, and has been honest about that. He’s polite, and sometimes interesting to talk to.

    Still, Dave, be respectful of not pushing PUMA’s, or RD will can you.

  59. Actually, when it comes to defeating Obama I am your ally. Strange election, isn’t it?

    But I have never hidden that I am a Republican. And I did not want McCain for our candidate. I wanted Giuliani or Thompson. So I am over the moon that McCain picked Sarah Palin.

    My point is that if you want Obama to lose, McCain has to win. If that is what you want too, then voting McCain/Palin doubles the value of your vote.

  60. I own my vote and I dont mind voting for McCain if i know it is part of NOT WANTING bo. I really do NOT want bo and if that is what it takes then that is what I will do

    I WANTED Hillary I still do ……… dammit 😥

  61. Dave, in this scenario you’re Stalin, helping us defeat Hitler. But you’re a nice guy.

  62. You’re fighting a battle that nobody remembers even existed.

  63. I think we would be wise to commit ourselves to principles before personalities. My bone of contention with Obama is not Obama it is the violation of principles I hold very dear:
    1. honoring/counting every individual vote
    2. ensuring that each voter has equal access to the voting process
    3. ensuring that the weight given to votes is equal (one voter, one vote) in calculating the allocation of delegates
    4. recording and fairly allocating delegate counts based on the will of voters
    5. proscribing access to our party process of non-party members
    6. consider an “independent voters ballot” that would allow independents to vote for R, D or 3rd party candidates the results of which the party could consider in its selection of its candidate if it chose to do so
    7. absolute commitment to a process that would place in nomination the name of any candidate who ran and earned delegates who had not officially suspended his/her campaign
    8. prohibition of any party official “taking sides”, speaking publicly either for or against any individual candidate or asking any candidate to suspend or end his/her election bid; imposition of penalties for abuse of this rule
    9. requirement that pledged delegates must report and record the voter allocation as earned on the first ballot at the convention
    10. prohibition of any candidate running for office making contributions to the campaigns of superdelegates
    11. prohibition of any superdelegate committing to any candidate prior to the nominating convention unless the candidate has won his/her state
    12. complete re-evaluation of the prorated allocation of delegates
    13 an end to the caucus system as essentially undemocratic and discriminatory
    14. party rules that enforce the neutrality of party officials and have real consequences for violation of those rules

    I think if those things were attended to it would take care of the issues we all share concerning the behavior and personalities of Brazile, Reid, Pelosi, Dean et al. What I know is that individuals and how they interpret rules and employ them or don’t will always be tested. It is important that the rules make violations rare, difficult and unsafe.

    We must reach out and build coalitions not only with the groups that currently are allied with PUMA but we must get some of the mainstream leadership voices to join us. I am thinking about people like Ferraro, Feinstein, Boxer , Mulkowski, the women from MA et al.

  64. Candy on CNN reports that “Obama has a new ad that basically calls Sarah Palin a liar, Obama is willing to hit back hard but is hoping that the Media will do it for him”

  65. I thought Hillary looked weary and tired today in Florida … and her glow was not glowing .. that really ticked me off
    …sorry 😥

  66. Dave, at 8:43 pm Said:

    “My point is that if you want Obama to lose, McCain has to win. If that is what you want too, then voting McCain/Palin doubles the value of your vote.”


    Dave, most of us can figure that out ourselves. My vote is precious, and I will cast it (or not) according to my conscience. I respect your right to do the same.

  67. Regarding Dave, et al, and this post…

    I agree wholeheartedly that we are a loose coalition and that’s where our strength lies. I also think there’s merit to the idea that we’re a more powerful bloc if we all do the same thing with our votes, whatever that is.

    Maybe RD would be willing to run a special thread where everyone gets to make their pitch to the others. Maybe this special thread could happen close to Election Day when pretty much all of the information is in, say around Nov 1. A lot can happen between now and then and it’s going to be a long 60 days if people keep making their pitches and counter-pitches now. Just an idea.

  68. Okay, I’ll go for awhile. Don’t want to wear out my welcome and I’ve said my peace.

  69. Jangles, that’s a great list. That list says: “Party leaders STFU, back the hell off, put away your wallet and let the people decide, period.”

  70. My point is that if you want Obama to lose, McCain has to win.

    That’s what’s got me voting for him. There really is no other way around it, much as it pisses me off. And out of all the Repubs, McCain’s the one I dislike least.

  71. Did Obama and Biden vote for the Bridge to Nowhere? Admittedly, it was
    buried in a lot of pork and policy isn’t really Obama’s strong point. They also
    passed over a bill to rebuild a bridge in New Orleans that needed rebuilding.
    (The blog where this appeared is partisan, but the facts can be checked.)


  72. I haven’t counted Obama out yet. Constant vigilance!

  73. Excellent list, Jangles. And what WMCB said.



    When I lived in Germany we used to laugh bitterly over the voting antics of the USSR and the countries behind the iron curtain. One party, one candidate and still a lot of coersion and dishonesty. I was proud that the USA did not have these issues for the most part (Chicago politics excluded).

    I intend to help with any PUMA efforts to reform and change the DNC primary voting process to one that is fair, honest, and doesn’t employ Chicago Machine methods.

  75. “In that same vain, I have seen many posts by people who have decided that they will vote for John McCain. That is fine and good.”

    OMG, thank you SO much for this. I’ve been labeled a “pro-gooper” on another blog for my stated intention to vote for McCain and Palin.

    In my swing state there is no other option. It’s the only way to exercise the most influence I have.

    My heartfelt thanks for understanding.

  76. If Obama wins, Pelosi, Dean and Brazille are sitting pretty. I’m so glad my vote doesn’t count in my red state. I really, really, really want to see them gone.

  77. Article starts out well, but the second half doesn’t seem to have much to do with the first. But it almost looks like one of us could have written the first half:


  79. Dave, one only wears out their welcome if they say the same thing over and over. I don’t read all the threads all the time, but I’ve seen you write the same thing several times on successive threads wrt our votes.

    Your economic tripe, though amusing in its absurdity, has been different. Nothing like a free market fundie who worships the writings of someone hundreds of years ago despite new insights.

  80. I just flipped over to KO for a few minutes just on the chance I would catch the Obama interview. However, he was breaking for a commercial and promised to come back with information on Sarah. He called her a “liar”. That’s right, on national tv, the man sat there staring into the camera and called her a “liar”. When does this stuff stop?

    You can disagree with the politics, the religion, the lack of experience if this is the road you are taking, but to sit there and publicly call her a liar is way over the line. I did not bother to stick around to listen to what he had concocted to make this so. There are enough “liars” on both sides that we all fully recognize. But KO has not stopped no matter where they stick him in the lineup. Unbelievable!

  81. Charles, How does McCain vote 90% of the time with Bush. As an
    executive how does Bush actually vote?

    Also, did Obama forget that he and Biden voted for the bill that included
    the bridge to nowhere?

  82. I like what Dave has to say. I know some people here can’t bring themselves to vote for McCain but that is the best chance of achieving what we want to achieve. Leaving the top of the ticket blank or a write in invites voter fraud (I can assure you those blanks will get filled in in Gary, IN. ) and third party candidates go nowhere and accomplish very little. Obama is trying to sell McCain = Bush; the record does not support that. McCain did not support Bush on some very key issues—tax breaks for Wall St. and the billions to oil and gas are two very good examples. I know McCain is a conservative but I think he genuinely wants to use the presidency to leave a legacy and I think he genuinely believes that he owes everything he is today and his very life to this country and wants to give back in the best way he can. I think he will have, if elected, the most multi-party cabinet and appointments that we have ever seen.

  83. I’m voting for McCain. I’m reading about the suffragists and all they endured to get women the vote.

    I don’t take anything for granted. Obama still has a good chance of winning the electoral vote.

    Plus, I want to be sure that the Democrats really get the message.

    Don’t forget that voter suppression is one of Obama’s biggest tools. He wants you depressed. He wants you to give up. He wants you to stay home.

    This is the most important vote of my life, and it’s the first time ever I will have voted for a Republican.

  84. “YES CB THEY DID”!
    I’m still sad Hillary’s NOT the NOMINEE; but PUMA’s have
    much to be PROUD of!!!!
    1st – Oprah DOWN!!
    2nd – White Woman going for McCain!!!
    3rd – MSNBC Keith O. & Chris M. DEMOTED !!!!!1

  85. tp/ny

    Oprah DOWN. Fabulous tell me more.

    BTW, a lot of her viewership has switched to Ellen!

  86. Pat,

    Isn’t the KO audience rather self-selecting at this point? I doubt that
    anyone who heard him take on Hillary (and accuse her of inciting
    assassination thoughts) would take anything KO said literally.

    All of the stuff about McCain dropping dead in the next four years is
    just fine with them.

  87. Oprah is the first Obama. She has been caught up in her own celebrity for so long, and has been praised to the mountain tops, that she has come to think of herself as the first “Messiah” long before The One made it on the scene. There was a time a few years back that suggested she should run for president. It would not surprise me that she gave it some serious thought.

    But this is the same Oprah who foisted Dr. Phil on us. Two overblown know it alls who live in their own kingdoms. Not impressed.

  88. I know where Dave is coming from, he’s never hidden his intentions, but in the trenches the guy next to you is your friend, so you have another vote for McCain here Dave.
    More than likely next time around we’ll be on opposite sides, but now we both want the same thing.

  89. Denise W: We do but for vastly different reasons.

  90. beautifully said, Sheri!
    To me it’s important that the truth be told and also that the party be reformed.
    We accomplished a little part of it, Denver time. More is needed. We need to be together and ready to pounce in November, once B0 loses.
    Those changes in the party won’t happen by themselves – remember 2004? The people who lost in a humiliating way took over.

  91. Hi Rich…

    Dave, you have heard of Red State right?

    De oca a oca y tiro porque me toca.

  92. This may be the most important thing a lot of us do in our lifetime.
    We stood up and screamed “no way this will not be tolerated” when the dnc selected not elected the worst candidate in history.
    The last two elections were fixed and no one in the country fought back.
    This time we are fighting back and both parties have to take notice.
    If we want the country to last fixed elections have to stop now.
    I want our children and our children’schildren to understand that to keep this country great you have to stand up and be counted.
    It is past the point of just being about Senator Clinton and the faux new democratic party.
    No party can be allowed to do this again.
    I might not be very good with the words but I know what ideals I want passed on.



  93. One more thing: when each of you make your decision, keep strategy in mind too: are you in a battleground state or not? that matters. Watch the polls closely in October – battlegrounds may change (expand?)

  94. I hope you don’t mind if I continue to be a part of this movement, we’re trying to clean house of our own problems as well.

  95. @Pat


  96. Good point, edgeoforever.

    Some PUMAs want to wait it out, see if they think their state is close.

  97. A small proposal on Delegates:

    Allow states that hold caucuses to continue to do so but make them non-binding by only allowing 1 delegate to be chosen by the entire caucus process, thus making the caucus winner take all for that 1 delegate.

    Caucus states would then be given a choice of either forfeit all their other delegates to be assigned to the highest popular vote receiver in primary votes at the end of the primary process; or they could have a primary with delegates selected as suggested below.

    I suggest in primary states there be two kinds of pledge delegates. The first kind are “at large” delegates which will make up at least 1/2 of a states “total” delegation + 1 delegate and will be awarded to the candidate that has the greatest portion or majority of the popular vote in that particular primary.

    Also primary states will have proportional delegates which are the remainder of the delegates and will be “apportioned to all candidates then get at least 15% of the states popular vote.

    Calculating delegates pledge delegates + super delegates = total delegates

    Example: state “A” has a Caucus/Primary system it has 58 pledge delegates and 9 super delegates Total 67

    1 pledge delegate would award in the Caucus.
    34 delegates would be awarded as “at large” delegates awarded to the candidate that received the most votes in that states primary.
    23 “proportional” pledge delegates would be awarded on the basis of the votes cast.
    9 Super-delegates would be able to declare for whatever candidate on “fair reflection” they believed would win.

    State “B” has a primary only system it has 151 pledge delegates and 20 super-delegates

    86 delegates would be awarded as “at large” delegates awarded to the candidate that received the most votes in that states primary.
    65 “proportional” pledge delegates would be awarded on the basis of the votes cast
    20 Super-delegates would be able to declare for whatever candidate on “fair reflection” they believed would win.

    “At large Delegates” cannot use “fair reflection” at the convention they must vote for the candidate as they were awarded. The candidate cannot release these delegates until another Candidate has received 2/3 of the total delegates in attendance at the convention.

    Pledge delegates may use “fair reflection” to determine their convention vote only after they have been released by their Candidate.

    Order of states January the largest state in each region will be the first to go on the third Tuesday in January of an election year.
    West: California
    Midwest West: Ohio
    South: Texas
    North East: New York
    Total delegates approx: 1122 (+20%total)

    Then Super Tuesday 2nd Tuesday in February

    Iowa New Hampshire cannot go before the January big 4 primaries penalty loss of right to apportion their delegates. Any state that is sanctioned for braking the order of states rules delegates will be given to the top primary vote getting candidate and will be designated as “at large pledge delegates”.

    What do you think?

    I want to keep super delegates because they would be necessary to achieve 2/3 necessary for a candidate to release their delegates. Also it would require them to go on record that they vote for and require they vote before any “acclamation” of a candidate as nominee.

    this also honors the “tradition of having a caucus while at the same time rendering it meaningless.


  98. If you vote for McCain it does not show a vote of protest. It only makes the McCain crowd think we believe in what they are saying. We need someone to lead us in this, to vote one way, all together on a united front so they get it. What would send the right message? A write in for Hillary or a vote for None of the above. I believe we need to start pushing behind one or the other. I know you own your vote. But we need to be united. What happens if no one gets the votes they need. I also just read Jangles blog and you may be a Republican. Vote NONE of the Above.

  99. I am watching the KO interview which is up on HuffPo. Love watching Obama struggle with answers and then making little sense when he reaches the end.

  100. I intend to support PUMA now and after election day. I want my country back.

  101. “AT”
    I heard there’s a Republican woman’s group going after Oprah
    for her not having Palin on. Even though Palin herself doesn’t want to go on.

  102. Gavin Newsome isn’t gay-he supports gay rights. So O is even more offensive and idiotic in not taking a photo with him. He is handsome and has a lovely wife.

  103. I understand that the Sarah P lying thing has to do with the “bridge to nowhere”. As a mayor, she supported it on the grounds of needing a connection to the small town that it was supposed to reach. However, as she moved into running for governor and the bridge began to be unpopular in Alaska as an embarrassment, she turned against it and as governor put a stop to it. Fox had a segment on it today and they seemed to be debunking that this history constituted lying since while her position changed over time she never requested this earmark. She still supports making the connection to the small town that is sort of an island to itself but supports that coming from Alaska itself. If this is the narrative that Obama is labeling lying, then he should watch out because he has a lot of lying out there that is straightforward lying and hugely about claiming positions he never took, credit he did not earn or positions opposite of reality. One of his more recent ones that I thought was outrageous was claiming credit on Anderson Cooper for bringing about better hurricane planning in New Orleans.

  104. Republican Woman, I don’t think anyone got annoyed with Dave just for being here. But he got a little preachy with the “you must vote McCain” stuff. I think he forgot he was a guest.

    You, however, seem to always remember that, and your manners are impeccable. 🙂

  105. Great post Taggles. I agree with what you wrote.
    (although I might do a little agitating for McCain–not that I like him–but it seems the most powerful
    anti-Obama vote.) Hopefully, I will agitate in a respectful manner as I do believe everyone has a right to vote how they wish.

  106. Can anybody explain how a write-in for Hillary can count as a vote for Obama?

    What’s the reasoning– he’s a Democrat, she’s a Democrat, so things equal to the same thing are equal to each other?

    By that reasoning, a write-in vote for Jefferson Davis should count for Obama too.

  107. Hi, Republican Woman.

    Nice to see you here!

  108. This KO interview is hysterical. Obama is complaining that the media has not done enough “scrutiny” regarding McCain/Palin. Jeebus Christmas! Can you get any more hypocritcal than this?

  109. Thanks but no thanks ” Deborah” – I’m voting McCain – the DNC will ” get it” when we send Obama back to the senate to do some work for a change- got that?

  110. JohnInCA: Some states have a law in which a primary loser cannot run in the general election. I.e. that vote goes to the party of the write-in candidate. In Hillary’s case, Democratic,

  111. ok, I have to vent. Yesterday, I received the bogus Palin bans books email that is circulating via a friend in LA. Her friend, who is a screenwriter, and an Obot, sent it to her, with the long list of books attributed to Palin when she was Mayor in Wasilla. I posted it here asking about it’s veracity. Someone gave me the link to the site that has the list’s origin on this page: Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States: http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html. I forwarded that to my friend Bridget, and she sent it on to him. He just wrote me back directly (I don’t even know this guy) and only had two lines: “I am at a loss why the list even matters. What matters is that she wants to ban books, whether Mary Poppins or Mein Kampf.”

    Let’s just say he got a piece of my mind in response. Basically, he doesn’t give a damn if the email is completely fabricated. After all, Time Magazine (CNN property) claims that she wants to ban books too. Palin is being subjected to more rigorous vetting in one week than Obama has endured in 18 months, and these people are zealots. I have HAD it.

    The other thing I saw tonight that put me over the edge: Trip Palin listed on eBay. Can you imagine a HIllary supporter even thinking of something so despicable? I can’t.

  112. Hi Republican Woman!

  113. correction: Trig Palin.

  114. Oh God Pat

    You actually ventured over to MSNBO? vomit bucket handy I hope.

  115. Sarah’s “I told Congress” story is untrue. I wish she would stop saying that. She didn’t tell Congress anything. She wasn’t Governor yet. Alaska did take the money and they used it for other things. I understand what she’s trying to say about herself but it didn’t happen that way and it makes her look like every other lying pol.

  116. Obama is complaining that the media has not done enough “scrutiny” regarding McCain/Palin.

    Is he a bald-faced liar (well, we know that’s true) or just really stupid? I mean, seriously, this woman has been under klieg lights ever since McCain announced her as VP. What a non-stop whiner.

  117. Deborah, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:21 pm Said:

    “If you vote for McCain it does not show a vote of protest. It only makes the McCain crowd think we believe in what they are saying. We need someone to lead us in this, to vote one way, all together on a united front so they get it. What would send the right message? A write in for Hillary or a vote for None of the above.”


    That’s fine for folks in states where the outcome is fairly certain. It doesn’t work in swing states like mine. The most leverage I can exercise is a vote for John McCain.

    I don’t want Barack Obama anywhere near the White House and if it takes voting for McCain to keep him out, that’s what I’ll do.

    There are no other options here.

  118. Dave was right that since we all want Obama to lose, that means McCain must win. We all want Hillary but since that has been taken from us, some of us feel the need to bite the bullet and vote for a Republican. For me, it will be the first time ever in 21 years of voting. I did vote for Kinky Friedman for Governor last time, so I can’t claim a 100% Democratic voting record, but it’s pretty dang close. By voting for McCain, I’m canceling out an Obot. And that feels so good.

  119. Chris Matthews is at it again with his disgusting sexist diminishing of Palin.

    Says she’s running “somewhere between a VP and First Lady.”

    God, that man is a PIG.

  120. We are still waiting for Obama to be vetted. He has a whole
    cemetery in his closet. I can’t get over the pass this guy has gotten, they still don’t question him. And experience, foreign policy? Puleeze – I wouldn’t bring that up if I were him

  121. Re: Primary rules. My suggestion, keep it simple and straight forward. Commit to the basic idea that we want to select a candidate that our party members think is best through a popular vote process. Allow super-delegate voting only after the first ballot that records the pledged delegate votes. Really look at the system that awards votes on the basis of congressional districts—in the ge electoral votes are not awarded on that system but on a statewide winner take all basis. The more we move away from replicating the ge system, the more distorted and unreliable the outcome is.

  122. Hi all.

    Yuh know it seems pretty clear from some of the names here that we are not all wiminfolk. And I don’t remember encountering Dave before (dumb luck). But I will scream, I PROMISE if one more time IN MY LIFE anybody ever again patiently explains to me how writing in/leaving blank is a vote for some “other side.”

    It’s MY EFFING VOTE!! I consider very carefully what I am going to do before walking into that booth as I have for 40 years. I know all that stuff. I was not born yesterday and I am not an idiot. MAN! I HATE it when somebody uses the tone Dave did explaining patiently what my protest vote will do. It will do what I want it to do: it will protest.

  123. Oprah is the first Obama. She has been caught up in her own celebrity for so long, and has been praised to the mountain tops, that she has come to think of herself as the first “Messiah” long before The One made it on the scene.

    Pat, that is a really good point. Have you heard the Kathy Griffin joke: “I love Oprah, but she thinks she’s Jesus.”

    It’s all making more sense now…

  124. Matthews is acting like a GOP agent provocateur, because he’s just increasing the sympathy for Palin and revving up her support.

    The simpler and more probable explanation for his behavior, however, is that he’s just another imbecile.

  125. You, GO Still4Hill!

    Look, guys, can we please not pressure our PUMAs who feel they cannot pull a lever for McCain? They KNOW the stakes.

    I HATE arm-twisting over votes! Good God, after all we just went through, you’d think we’d all be a little more sensitive to that.

  126. Please step back for a minute did I hear you say ” powerhouse in American politics”? Although I agree with a lot of your positions, I do not want to be apart of your POWERHOUSE. So, if that is your aim, I will not be fooled with your BO style slogans of unity. You see I called out BO based on this type stuff, BEFORE HE GOT OUT OF THE GATE, and it is not difficult to see through.

    So, reader beware BO Style politiKING has caught ON.


  127. No “Denis” your vote will not send that message. The DNC twist and turn it into the will of the people and you will have been the pawn. How will they be able to tell what your feelings were? I do not think your name and your political affiation is on the vote. I think they need to know where their support went. Without question. There has to be a better way then to vote for a party we do not believe in.

  128. The McCain crowd does not believe that PUMA votes are agreement with the Republican platform. MCCain is not stupid. McCain took the time to meet with PUMA; he listened; he responded; he has sent many signals of outreach. I think you could make a better case that PUMA votes are a brake on McCain’s more conservative initiatives and impulses. And finally, the big movement for McCain does not appear to be coming from PUMAs/women but men.

  129. fif: Maybe Oprah is God he Mother, Obama is the Son, and guess who the Holy Spirit would be (in that the HS descends and instills wisdom).

    3 guesses.

  130. Still: if you think that gets you fired up, have you seen the posts at NoQuarter by Matthew Weaver that have run the past few days? I don’t remember the exact title, but basically it reads.”Where Is Hillary Clinton?” It’s worse than Patti Davis. He goes on to declare that if Hillary doesn’t come out right now and condemn the treatment of Palin she is “destroying her legacy!” Why does everyone and their uncle think they have a right to tell Hillary Clinton how to live her life 24/7? She is not the nominee OR the VP–leave her the hell alone for a week! First, it was: GO AWAY! Now, people are screaming: COME BACK! WHERE ARE YOU? The only thing that makes it tolerable is that Hillary just keeps walking forward, or as Maya Angelou eloquently stated: “She STANDS.”

  131. Deborah, I am going to yell at you next. Can we PLEASE stop lecturing one another on how to FUCKING VOTE! From either direction. Just STOP IT.

  132. Of course Matthews is an idiot, that goes without saying. But the longer they keep up these attacks against Sarah, by calling her a liar, ridiculing her looks, going after her baby, the more the needle moves in McCain’s favor. So go for it you illegitimate “newsmen” with your opinions sputtering out of your filthy mouths! Keep feeding the beast.

    The summary of the KO interview with The One shows few questions being tossed out there and then only those that apply to McCain and Palin, nothing to do with Backtrack’s positions. The last segment allows Backtrack to basically repeat his stump speech of all he wants to do. Any indepth reporting? Very little. Just as I had predicted: “softballs” all the way.

    Lest not forget, KO also blogs over at that sewer known as Kos.

  133. Still4Hill

    Dave claimed he was saying it for the last time.

    My pet peeve is people who say “I’m doing this for the last time.” and then come back and keep doing (whatever).

    Last – final, finished, finito, neverf again.

    It’s like people who announce “I’m leaving this blog forever!” and then keep coming back.

  134. A theater critic review of Barak Obama

    Obama is a self righteous flatuent gasbag he is a gutless coward and a sorry excuse of a Democrat. He is selfish and self-centered, boastful and bombastic.

    Obama gave a good speech in 2004 with the aide of a teleprompter and a mic in his ear. Senator has never had an original thought policy or program he did not beg (from HIllary) borrow (from about everyone else) or steal (whoever is left)!

    A total nitwit obama cannot tie his shoes without first taking poll on it. Devoid of any personality Senator Obama struts accross his stage and blathers on switching tence, accent, and person in the middle of of phrases not to even speak of whole paragraph.

    He mugs for every single person in the 14th row in the balcony. His control of his body and facial expressions is non exsistent. I have not seen such vocal modulation since William Shatner stared in Oscar Wildes “Salome” as the title role.

    After suffering through 18 months of monolouges by this sorry excuse of wasting face paint , I can only come to one conclusion-don’t quit your day job.

    Crap-he doesn’t have one.

  135. Still: a riddle??

    P. Diddy?
    Spike Lee?

    No clue.

  136. HRC? (on a more positive note)

  137. Still4Hill: I give up. Who?

  138. The summary of the KO interview with The One shows few questions being tossed out there and then only those that apply to McCain and Palin, nothing to do with Backtrack’s positions.

    Pat, KO did the same thing when he interviewed Obama during the primaries. No real questions about him or his policies, it was all, “So tell me what you think about what that nasty bitch Hillary is doing?”

  139. Still4hill at 9:40.
    Can you believe I don’t know who the holy spirit is?
    I was caught up in a mind f&$k trying to figure out how to use a John the Baptist analogy: if Oprah foretold/paved the coming of Obama/Messiah, then she’s John the B and you know how that story ends.
    And then I started thinking about ratings and how they relate to biblical things and my brain started balking.

    So let me know, is the HS Dean? Durbin? Brazile? Kerry? Pelosi? Or is this a trick question and
    Obama is the holy spirit to his own Jesus?

    Help me, my brain hurts…

  140. fif: LOL

    Actually, I was thinking Hillary since anything Obama ever said that made any kind of sense came from her head.

    As to Matthew, Patti Davis, etc. Where’s my chainsaw?

  141. There was also a new poll that Charles has on his web site. Obama is only leading by 1 point now.

  142. oops: That new poll is for Michigan, another key swing state.

  143. Thanks, Charles,

    What are Obama’s views on taxes? I don’t trust that he’d keep his word on
    anything, and even if he wanted to honor his word, he doesn’t have a clue
    as to how to pass legislation. He did say he’d hire the expertise to do the job.

  144. WMCB – I see your point. I’m not out to arm-twist.

    Confluence people are able to have civil discussions. This in oasis, and one I treasure. I read every comment and consider it. I have changed my mind already several times based on what people say here.

    Constant vigilance!

  145. Still: I was confused, because Hillary doesn’t “descend,” we all know


  146. I am just trying to understand this….. You are miss reading my blogs. A movement must start somewhere and unity is important. If we are all over the board who is going to fiqure us out. I am looking for someone to lead this ….all the talk in the world will not get us what we want if we are using foul language and yelling…. Talk to me as how we can be more effective.

  147. You guys – I really don’t KNOW who the Holy Spirit is but I can’t stop laughing!

    I just thought that instead of two Christs (Meadow Soprano famously said there was only one) it seemed more of a trinity thing. The Irish in me….

  148. fif: Ya got me there – Hillary does not descend.

  149. Ironman just posted a comment on the Monday: Stormy post from earlier with an article about chris matthews saying Palin was “sort of running for something in between VP and first lady”. I asked him to post it up here. but if he doesn’t see my post you might want to take a look. They are going down in a blaze of sexist glory I guess…

  150. Is it just me (I watched a few minutes of BO on KO (via the internet), but doesn’t
    Obama look old and weary these days? His eyes look shifty.

  151. From Jailed for Freedom http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext03/j4fre10.txt:

    “But I answered my patronizing friend, in
    effect, that of course we were not fools, that we knew we would not get the amendment that session, but we saw no reason for not demanding it at once and taking it when we got it.

    When Miss Paul saw the carbon of that letter she said quietly, pointing to the part where I had so nobly defended our sagacity, “You must never say that again and never put it on paper.” Seeing my embarrassment, she hastened to explain. “You see, we can get it this session if enough women care sufficiently to demand it now.”

    Just started to read this book, need to get a more solid background on this.

  152. I live in CA which is expected to go Obama, so I must content myself with cancelling out my Obot spouse’s vote.

  153. Hi everyone!!

    It’s Monday Night Football in America! 🙂

    And gere’s a quick look at the polls out today:

    ABC News/Wash Post 09/05 – 09/07 LV 49 47 McCain +2
    CBS News 09/05 – 09/07 655 RV 46 44 McCain +2
    USA Today/Gallup 09/05 – 09/07 823 LV 54 44 McCain +10
    CNN 09/05 – 09/07 942 RV 48 48 Tie
    Rasmussen Tracking 09/05 – 09/07 3000 LV 48 47 McCain +1
    Hotline/FD Tracking 09/05 – 09/07 924 RV 44 44 Tie
    Gallup Tracking 09/05 – 09/07 2733 RV 49 44 McCain +5

    Game over for Obama!

    I am loving it that women are giving the collective finger to BO and telling No Deal!

    Keep going America!
    Never Give Up!
    Stand Up and Fight!

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  154. fif,
    yer so right. And Hillary could be the holy spirit, but never to Obama’s messiah. She could only bring light and love to something beautiful.

  155. Good evening all! Well, I received my first badge of honor last night. I got booted off a board for my anti-Obama posts. I think it was my link to “We Will Not Be Silenced” that may have done it. I really have to wonder what this country has come to when “liberals” think it’s okay to censor opposing political speech.

    And speaking of censorship. I have yet to get the book banning email. I did receive that vile fake bikini photo of Palin. One from a partner and one from the head of the company I work at. I think they’re starting to get the idea that I’m not an Obama fan after I replied with a link to snopes showing that, contrary to the email text, the photo was indeed a fake. Anyway, I haven’t received any Obamage clogging up my inbox so far this week.

    I will vote McCain if Virginia is close and I have to. It will be my private act of sedition. But if it’s not running close then I’ll vote for the candidate I actually support, Cynthia McKinney.

  156. Deborah

    blah blah blah

  157. Get rid of delegates entirely, Fuzzy! Winner take all. They get electoral votes. Over 270 gets the nomination. Delegates can’t be trusted. No SDs. Look how complicated your post is. Keep it simple-less chance for shenanigans. That whole delegate system is a nightmare.

  158. should have signed that last comment”

    Former critic for “the mullet wraper”

  159. CB: His eyes look shifty.
    He’s probably looking for the teleprompter.

    Nixon also had shifty eyes…..

  160. Did you all see what Chris Mathews did today?

    it was pathetic as usual!

    Maybe MSNBC should just tell him to “take your job and shove it-you ain’t working here no more!”

    Found a story about just now…

    Matthews: Palin Running ‘Somewhere Between VP and First Lady’

    Mark Finkelstein
    September 8, 2008 – 19:55 ET

    The liberal campaign to seek to diminish Sarah Palin by sexualizing her continues. Yesterday, I described how Frank Rich used a number of sexualized terms in reference to Palin’s relationship with McCain: “shotgun marriage,” “speed-dating” and “embrace.” Chris Matthews employed a similar tactic this evening, claiming that Palin is running “somewhere between a VP and a First Lady.”

    During the first segment of this evening’s Hardball, Matthews tried out his theory, with no particular success, on pollster Stu Rothenberg and NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd. For the record, Matthews did stop short of telling Palin to iron McCain’s shirt:

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me try my theory about why Sarah Palin seems to be catching on. I don’t think she’s running as a traditional VP, which is no big deal. She’s running as kind of like the other partner, somewhere between a VP and a First Lady, maybe.

    Imagine the liberal/feminist outrage if a Republican had sought to portray a sitting governor and VP candidate as a First Lady.

    Note: Matthews was on quite a roll tonight, trying to undermine Palin and the McCain ticket at large. As my colleague Geoffrey Dickens has noted, Matthews wondered whether Republican mention of “community organizer” is akin to “welfare queen” or even “outside agitator,” the segregationsists’ term from the ’60s for civil rights activists.

    McCain-Palin ‘08
    Hillary ‘12

  161. CB, hmmmm, I guess BO’s getting too tired to keep up the front. His eyes look shifty because he is shifty. JMHO of course.

  162. Republican Woman – I’m reading that book on gutenberg now too!

    In fact reading “Jailed for Freedom” was a big factor in making my decision to vote for McCain.

    It’s such a great site – all those free books. I’m also reading Edith Wharton’s short stories.

  163. RW, that book looks good. Have you seen the film Iron Jawed Angels? Get it on DVD if not.

  164. My mother said she watched Tweety tonight, and he was complaining because Palin has “changed her positions on things.”

    Uh…..come again?! How can they say this stuff with a straight face?

  165. How longer will MSNBC keep CM on the payroll? That dude needs to go! And KO, too!

  166. Still4Hill, I can’t believe you said that because BO reminds me of Nixon. He’s a very unpleasant combo of Nixon and Bush2 IMO.

  167. Arabella did you read my crits review of Barak Obama?


  168. Arabella at 9:52
    totally O/T but if you like short stories I heartily recommend a collection called “you must read this.”

    Also my personal favorite short story of all time:
    Eudora Welty’s “Why I Live at the P.O.”

  169. As my colleague Geoffrey Dickens has noted, Matthews wondered whether Republican mention of “community organizer” is akin to “welfare queen” or even “outside agitator,” the segregationsists’ term from the ’60s for civil rights activists.

    Well, that’s obviously the new race card talking point, because George Stephanopolous asked Obama if he agreed with some of his supporters who think that “community organizer” is some kind of racial code.

  170. garychapelhill, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:48 pm Said:

    You were one step ahead of me. 🙂

    I just reposted it above.

    CM’s rants are unconscionable!

    MSNBC needs to crack down on that @%# BS!

    How much does it cost to take out a FUll-Page ad in the USA Today?

    In 2008, it is the mainstream medai and Obama vs. America.

    WE THE PEOPLE will win that fight!

  171. To put it more accurately:

    Most of us here have been so since almost the beginning. We shared a certain bond and we never gave up. We laughed, cried, argued, calmed, advised, commiserated, shared, held on, worried over, admired, felt elevated by, and totally bonded over this site.

    When it became apparent that Hillary was not to be, divergent opinions were set forth with each person arriving at, struggling with, reasoning out, their positions. Some make their decision often based on location. Others for a total revulsion for Obama and the DNC. Still others have yet to decide. This is all to the good.

    No one on this site expects to be bullied or arm wrestled to get another to see things their way. Each decision is sacred. We all know what is at stake. None of us takes it lightly. You can witness some of the struggle each day.

    This site allows us to express our views and doubts. But what is not welcomed is a lecture on what is the best way to proceed. Our commonality lies in our distrust of the DNC and our unwillingness to back down by voting for a candidate who has not earned the right.

    All voices should be welcomed but honoring dissent is what we this country has based it’s most important principle: the right to cast or withhold their vote. This is all we can expect.

  172. Angela:
    yer so right. And Hillary could be the holy spirit, but never to Obama’s messiah. She could only bring light and love to something beautiful.
    Actually, I think Hillary can bring light and love especially to the blighted and sick of soul. There would be no magic in it if she only touched the pure and beautiful – and there would not have been all those votes.

    I wrote somewhere in my own blog that she reached in and grabbed my heart. I think she did that to a lot of people. That had not happened to me for a very, very long time – she has a special gift for that.

  173. fif, I’m so tired of Obama and his supporters making any opposition about race. It’s ridiculous how much mileage they’ve milked it for.

  174. IronMan: Gallup is the outlier. Why are their numbers so different from the rest of the polls? Seems odd.

  175. ironman, I just can’t believe he would say that. what an asshole!

  176. Still4Hill, your loyalty is appreciated, but I just do not do spiritual transformation and bringing healing light and all that guff.

    She’s got chops, she’s proven, she’s smart as hell. That’s where it begins and ends for me. I do not do new age.

  177. gxm: I know. And it’s so transparent. “MOM! He’s picking on me!” That’s what it reminds me of–all victim mentality.

  178. gxm: What you said – exactly! Scary stuff!


  179. gxm

    Well, I received my first badge of honor last night. I got booted off a board for my anti-Obama posts

    Congratulations. Yah busted your cherry. Now De Niro will come and tuck a $100 bill in your pocket. “Ta did good. You stuck up for your friends. (“Good Fellas”)

  180. janis – it”s not new age – I was answering angela – and the last time someone grabbed me like that it was Bobby Kennedy.

  181. On my way home from the gym, I saw a yard sign in front of a large home in an upscale old money area of Akron. It said: Another Democrat for McCain.

    That was good to see because at the gym I caught a glimpse of the Rachel Maddow show and she had on that female columnist from the LA Times who always shill for Obama in the most sincere way.

  182. “ben carlson, on September 8th, 2008 at 8:10 pm Said:

    Reg: apparently, they are doing “pray to end gay” events there. I would just like to hear from her that her faith is just that her faith and is not going to set the agenda. however, i trust mccain on these issues.”

    I’m curious because my understanding is she vetoed a “legislative bill” that would have banned same partner benefits, or something like that. I haven’t had time to actually look at it, so I could be completely wrong. What her church advocates and what she personally practices may be completely different.

    Haven’t you met that “holy roller” who tells everyone how sinful they are because they listen to rock music and have pre-marital sex, but outside of the church’s view, they’re the biggest slut in town, and can rap the worst songs with the best of them?

  183. still for hill,

    I meant that as the holy spirit bringing into creation jesus, she could only create a beautiful jesus of love and light– not the Obama version of hate and spite.

    I agree Hillary does bring light and love to those who are in pain. I agree with you ten million thousand billion trillion percent. She touched me in my heart as well. And so many I talked with. Yes, you are right.
    Hillary has the gift of love and healing. Boy does this world need her!

  184. Hey guys, how about this for a PUMA theme song?

  185. News from the future provided by Microsoft/Crystalball Operating system-

    March 27th 2013 AP:

    Former Candidate for the President and Illinois Senator Barak Obama signed a lucrative deal to appear on next seasons “Dancing with the Stars”. WE can only hope he does better on this show tha last seasons appearances on “the Singing Bee”, the “Hole in the Wall” or his disasterous appearance “Are you smarter than a 5th Grader”!


  186. Still4Hill, I was a latecomer as a Hillary supporter. But you are absolutely right. She reached in and grabbed my heart. I don’t know if we’ll have a candidate again who emanates as much concern for the people, not the voters: the people. I swear, when a normal person would have been drained, she became more beautiful everyday.

  187. fif:

    I think so. A 10 pont lead is probably not accurate right now. We need to see how that particular poll shakes out in the next few days. That was the USA Today/Gallup Poll of likely voters. The Gallup tracking poll has McCain ahead by 5. I’d say it is a more accurate reflection right now than the 10 pointer.

    No doubt McCain-palin is connecting with America.

    These polls are actually sampling MORE Democrats than Republicans. For McCain to be polling ahead of Obama, he is clearly appealing to more Democrats than Obama is appealing to Republicans.

    But that is McCain. He has a record of working with Democrats and taking on his own Party.

    Long way until the election. Have to keep the momentum going!

  188. angela – you’re right about that – he can’t be Jesus – but then neither can Oprah be Goddess the Mother.

    I’m getting that famous NJ condition “agita” thinking about it – it’s disgusting.

  189. fuzzybear – I loved your theatre review of Obama! And I haven’t heard the term “mullet wrapper” in quite some time.

    I’m not ignoring you, I’m just working on my resume and then taking breaks to read the comments. So I miss some good ones.

  190. Hey Janis,
    Lighten up. (get it? it’s a joke.)
    Hillary’s got chops. Hillary’s got class. Hillary’s also got a whole hell of a lot of good ideas to help people get health insurance, good wages, good jobs.
    Translate these things to a spiritual realm (hell, just for the fun of it, ‘eh?) and she translates to being
    a person of love and light.
    It’s not such a hard jump to make. It doesn’t make those of us who appreciate her that way have to go out and stand on a hill in Avesbury, Ireland and wait for the space ships to come and the planets to align
    –although there’s nothing wrong with that. (haha)

  191. “swanspirit, on September 8th, 2008 at 8:24 pm Said:

    Can I throw in no dead voters?? ;)”

    Your state too?!!! In the last 4 years I’ve called more deceased “voters” (as in more than 10 years dead) and can’t figure out why our elections department continues to allow them to vote.

  192. RepublicanWoman: I don’t hold Sarah’s religion against her. I’m a prosecutor in the court of a female judge who is a fundamentalist mega-church Christian. She and I respect each other a great deal. We actually have quite a bond. I personally think it’s because she still hopes I can be saved. Love the sinner, hate the sin type of thing.

    I am going to vote for McCain in Ohio. That is a done deal. However, I do think Sarah Palin needs to answer if her religious views will affect policy.

  193. Thanks Arabella. It’s good to get it over with. 🙂

    It bothers me that I can no longer counter their lies. But honestly, I think the only people listening are other Obots. Well, at least I hope no one else is taking their Obamaganda seriously.

  194. Republican Woman at 9:48… that is PERFECT. That is exactly it — there comes a time when too much honesty is bad, much as it goes against my nature to say it. They need to fear us. And by god, they’re going to.

  195. Thanks arabella feeling unloved today! I dont know why…

    It could be that the DNC stopped sending me Schills for money!


    On the DNC Naughty List for Xmas-no Cookie for me this year!

  196. gxm: _I know. She was amazing in this primary season. I think it awakened some new level of something in her that WOW! Was the thing we had been missing in leaders for SO LONG!
    It was intense and real and very human. Which is why, I think we all here got so mad when the DNC and msm started brutalizing her.

  197. Yes, I also respect her for vetoing that legislation. Of course the supreme court said it was unconstitutional but someone like Romney would have signed it and fought it in court just to prove a point. She clearly put her oath of office first. But clearly she is no champion of gay issues but neither is Obama. I think most gay voters don’t really want a candidate to push a gay agenda. They just want to be let alone.

  198. angelasmith – I love that story too! I’m putting Welty on my list of authors to read/reread. I especially like the short story genre. It’s a forgotten pleasure nowadays.

  199. “You can witness some of the struggle each day. ”

    You see by now, any other cycle, I should be engaged in my local DP offices.


    I heard on the radio that today (or was it yesterday) at some speech, H said, “no way, no how, no McCain, no Palin”…or something like that. What a good trooper.


  200. sod: I have two words for them…Bill Ayers

    and I have two more Al Mansour (really one word, but wth).

  201. Me I am one of We the People not any political party…I must say I always knew we were and are the power in this country, I just didn’t believe anyone else believed anymore…..and what a surprise PUMA arose………..so yes we need to move forward but no Party for me I am now a confirmed Independent …

  202. I too was quite excited to think I would be one of her campaign workers this year. The letdown was difficult.

  203. Good night all. My husband has made a yummy dinner and the smell is driving me crazy.

    One stupid question though: Who are the “cheetos”? I apologize for my ignorance. Are they a pro-Obama blog?

  204. Charles are you still here? Or, can any other poll specialists answer this:

    White women have moved from 50-42 percent in Obama’s favor before the conventions to 53-41 percent for McCain now, a 20-point shift in the margin that’s one of the single biggest post-convention changes in voter preferences.

    How can it still be a “dead heat” according to their poll, if there was a 20% swing among a key voting block?

  205. kinky friedman (sp?) on o’reilly just said that Palin got more votes running for mayor of wasilla than Biden got running for president. LOL. Is that true??

  206. cgeetos, DKoss. orange.

  207. Arabella,
    I love short stories. O.Henry’s “The Ransom of Red Chief” is another one I really like. Joy Williams is a really good short story writer too. But “why I live at the P.O.” has me laughing from start to finish.

  208. that should be cheetos. Orange is the color used at DK.

  209. gxm: Cheetos is a joke regarding all the young, male Obot drones who do nothing but blog and “eat Cheetos,” usually being supported by their parents. Is it a specific snark related to Daily Kos? I’m not sure about that, someone else can clarify.

  210. Hi Charles,

    Did you see the results of the state polling by FOX/Ras today?

    They polled Ohio, Colorado, Virgnia, Pennsylvania, and Florida.


    Click to access Ras_allstates_090808_web.pdf

    Tried to copy n paste the poll results but it comes out all scattered.

    McCain up 7 in Ohio is what stands out.
    Also, McCain’s favorable ratings ahead of Obama in ALL 5 of those states is telling.

    From the report:

    A number of themes emerge from the data that are consistent across all five states:

    McCain is trusted more than Obama in all five states.
    McCain is viewed more favorably than Obama in all five states.
    Also, in all five states, Sarah Palin draws higher “very favorable” ratings than any other candidate.
    In all states except Colorado, McCain enjoys a bigger margin among Republicans than Obama does among Democrats. In Colorado, they are even.
    Economic issues are the top issue in all five states with national security matters a distant second.
    The number who would not be comfortable with Obama as president is higher in every state than the number saying the same about McCain. This is consistent with national polling data showing that McCain voters are more likely than Obama supporters to be primarily voting against the other candidate.
    Obama has the edge among unaffiliated voters in three states, McCain in two. Nationally, unaffiliated voters are fairly evenly divided.
    Pennsylvania has more undecided voters than any other state – 7 percent. Most of these are Democrats or unaffiliated voters.

  211. I would add the increased delegate counts per vote in urban area’s as well…

    Me I am one of We the People not any political party…I must say I always knew we were and are the power in this country, I just didn’t believe anyone else believed anymore…..and what a surprise PUMA arose………..so yes we need to move forward but no Party for me I am now a confirmed Independent …

    OH OH McCain 51 Obama 42…….Ohio

  212. gxm: Lucky you who has a husband who cooks! Cheetos are those posters and bloggers who reside in the cesspool known as the Daily Kos. The background to that site is orange. Hence, Cheetos.

  213. ben:she is no champion of gay issues but neither is Obama. I think most gay voters don’t really want a candidate to push a gay agenda. They just want to be let alone.
    I think Obama’s homophobic (here we go again – I can actually expand my formula) in a REPUBLICAN way. As in all the GOP homophobs who get caught in mens rooms in parks, airports, etc. Last night I said he has this “metrosexual” air about him. I think he’s on the down low – 2 little girls notwithstanding.

  214. fif, I did not know that, I thought it was because both cheetos and DK are orange….who knew.


  215. fif-that is a good question but let charles answer he is much better a demographic analysis….than I could ever be


  216. “Our media is an embarrassment and a liability. They cannot be the drivers of policy because they are reckless and it’s not their role. And they flip-flop more than the politicians (anyone remember the run-up to Iraq?).”

    I’m sure our media misses the days of “no internet.” They’re having a hard time figuring out that people can get information from more than source now, and more and more are doing so. So are the politicians. Trying to force bloggers with more than 500 subscribers to become national “PACs,” I have no doubt they try to remove YouTube videos that show them saying or doing something they shouldn’t, etc.

  217. fuzzybear – Feeling unloved? It must be chi draining out of your injured foot.

    There are lots of people here who love you, whether your feeling it or not.


  218. I see Pat and I agree. I however, think fif is also right, kossaks eat way too many cheetos.

    I am not a kossak but I too, like cheetos.

    Someone tell my cat to get off my wrists while I am typing this….

  219. Not only that, but Biden & Obama voted FOR it instead of Katrina recovery. yes, INSTEAD!

  220. I have read all 3 books penned by Bob Woodward regarding Bush and the war. Am quite anxious to read the last one since he basically says Bush had no real idea of what he was doing. Like we didn’t already know that up front!

  221. Upstate: And all this time I thought it was the cat all along!

  222. heh.

  223. Pat: Bush had no real idea of what he was doing. Like we didn’t already know that up front!
    And then they want us to elect another Alfred E. Newman. What? Me Worry?

  224. My book club is meeting tomorrow night. Does anyone have any good suggestions to recommend for next month? I am drying up.

  225. two states: lol! Except, we can’t ever lose Hillary. She’s going to keep helping people whether others oppose her or not.

    Charles & IronMan, thanks for the poll info. I am just anxious, like everyone else, and want a guarantee that O will never advance…

  226. Audacity of Hope.

  227. Ohio is just a bad fit for Obama and a perfect fit for McCain. Ohio voters know that Strickland wasn’t an Obama supporter, so he will have little sway.

  228. Pat: did you read Kite Runner? Very interesting and poignant. Sad though.

  229. Upstate: No, no, no, no, no.

  230. My cat made me do it. She is evil

  231. fif; We did Kite Runner and 10,000 Perfect Suns. Loved them both. Tomorrow night is “Memory of Running”. They seemed to love it. I thought it was one of the dumbest books ever.

  232. Hey guys, join me tonight.

    Tonight is the first General Election and post-convention edition of “My Two Cents Radio Show”!!!!

    Topics: Polls, Electoral Map, more smears against Sarah palin, McCain/Palin surge among women, Hillary Clinton back on the campaign trail, Bill and Obama to do lunch, where’s biden, and so much more!!!

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  233. ben:
    Ohio voters know that Strickland wasn’t an Obama supporter, so he will have little sway.
    So he’ll send Hillary (again).

    Dear Mr. Obama,
    Hillary cannot go to Ohio today. She has pinkeye, so I am keeping her home.

    Dorothy Rodham

  234. I have to balance my checkbook. I’ve been putting it off for…days. Much rather blog, but the time has come.

    Good night all.

  235. The cheeto thing comes from the image of overage losers in their parents’ basement with bikini posters, playing war games and smearing Cheetos all over their keyboards.

    No other snack food has the same symbolic impact. 🙂 Unless dkos consciously chose their color as an allegedly ironic play on the cheeto/loser/mom’s basement conection, I think their color might just be a coincidence.

  236. I don’t post much, but I’m a PUMA voting for McCain with a tear rolling down my cheek just thinking about it.

    I live in a swing state and perhaps that’s my biggest motivation. If my vote can help keep o out of the WH it will be well worth it.

    I also want to help cleanse our party of it’s deceitful leadership.

    Watching the Repubs stand up for Gov Palin is very hard to take while Pelosi (and the rest of the power brokers) never noticed the same sexism and character assassination thrown at Hillary? Shame on them.

    I watch Fox now, and although I will vote for McCain I am not and never will be a Repub, ever. They still don’t give Hillary her due, and I realize repubs never will. My vote is against the UNqualified selected candidate , and is for Hillary and her run in 2012.

    I respect whatever each of us must do in Nov, but I would also like to remind everyone thinking of writing Hillary’s name in to make sure their state won’t really be giving their vote to o.

  237. GNight fif.

  238. Pat,

    I recommend “New England White,” by Stephen L. Carter. I loved it. It’s kind of a mystery, but also a serious novel.

  239. Good night, dear friends.

    Special hugs to fuzzybear.

  240. bb: I remember you said you were reading that this summer. Good choice. I will present that as a possible selection for October. Thanks!

  241. nite Arabella, fif

  242. gxm, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Sorry you were treated so rudely, gxm. That seems to be epidemic these days.

    It’s the schizophrenic blogs that drive me nuts. You know…the ones that continually post criticism of Obama and then condemn as a “gooper” anyone who points out the only viable alternative.

    It’s enough to make you appreciate this one.


    Wow! Where did all those chickens come from?

  243. I’m watching Sarah on Fox – she looks like Mariska Hargitay.

  244. The Cheeto thing came from a post by Lambert at Corrente. He posted a photo of a pile of cheetos juxtaposed with a photo of the daily kos front page. We kept the joke going here. I’ve even heard people in the MSM using it lately.

  245. S4Hill: Well now I want to be a chauvinistic pig and be all, “Give it to me, baby” but I won’t because I’m an enlightened woman.

  246. I always presumed that McCain’s intention was to reach out to Hillary on healthcare anyway.

  247. Unfortunately, I don’t really want to hear about either Obama or Palin in the media for the next four years.

  248. sod: It’s a good idea. Though I don’t think McCain thinks we need to change anything about healthcare.

    They should have let her do want she was trying to in 1992.

  249. bb: I just printed the synopsis off Amazon. I had read the Emperor of Ocean Park a few years ago. Good choice!

  250. Thanks everyone for answering my rookie questions.

    Yes, Pat, my husband is “the” cook. It’s a joke among us that, like our cats, I’ll never leave him because I’d starve without him.

    Good night all. And thank you PUMAs for providing a place for people like me. (and all the wonderful reading recommendations).

  251. Regency: Homework is calling!!!!!!!

  252. Reg: about whom? Sarah?

  253. nite gxm

  254. Pat,

    It is really good. It is about a woman from an upper class AA family. She is dean of a school of theology and her husband is president of a University (probably Yale). The author is Yale prof. I really liked it a lot and the woman character is really interesting. The book also has to do with presidential politics.

    Carter has written three books with some of the same characters. I’m reading his first novel right now and I bought the third one to read next.

  255. For all those considering not making a choice and voting does the word “present” mean anything to you? Making others carry your water is not admirable.

    The principles of this country are based on duty as a citizen which requires the duty to vote.


  256. Pat, do they need to be new books just out? I haven’t read anything terribly new, but here are a few I’ve enjoyed in the past year or so (quickly perusing my overloaded shelves):

    The Secret History by Donna Tartt (FABULOUS!)
    Bel Canto by Ann Patchett (also fabulous)
    Special Topics in Calamity Physics by Marrisha Pessl (interesting)
    Belong To Me by Marisa de los Santos (pure sentimental Chick-Lit, but good)

    Most of he rest have been Science Fiction (huge SciFi reader here). I doubt your club is interested in those.

  257. Yeah, but the dkos people have been associating chickenhawks with cheetos for years. Ironically, I think they might have originated the joke, even though they’re just as likely to live in mom’s basement as any member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders. 🙂 Those two groups have way more in common than they’d ever admit, hell half of them started out supporting the war.

  258. http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp

    …photoshopped on the image of a woman holding a BB gun. You can see the original images onto which the Palin head was pasted.

    At least the commentary is non-sexist. Says that this is a common fact of life in the U.S. when a woman enters the political sphere…it is
    assumed that she has posed for cheesecake photos.

    It seems that women are passing this one around. Whoever does so should be sentenced to reading “Jailed for Freedom” about the
    struggle to earn women the right to vote:


    A free download (text format) about the Suffragists, which we weren’t taught in my school.

    The lie about Palin’s book banning and the faux opinions of fellow Alaskans that is being sent is emails is also covered on Snopes.

    I myself received this appraisal from a high school friend: “My sister-in-law [lives in a Red State and is more than likely a Republican] just got back from a trip to Alaska on which she met one of SP’s best friends at the fair.
    Of course, Helen asked this friend if Palin was truly as “good as she seems”. The friend replied that Palin is exactly what you see. She is honest, forthriright and has nothing to hide. ”

    With an indolent media (as RFK, Jr. calls it) at least we have Snopes (and our own good judgment). I smelled something fishy.

    Oh, and the Bridge to Nowhere…Obama and Biden voted for it and Palin is credited by the Democratic Party of Alaska on its Web site for stopping it. Senators should
    read the fine print in bills before signing them, and not place all of the blame on those whose states are the recipients of these cobbled-together bills. Even
    Emil Jones, Jr.’s district got pork from Obama. Who knows, it could have been in thanks for passing on that legislation to give him a record. Hillary swung big earmarks for Upstate New York.

    John McCain: “one of five senators to reject earmarks entirely, part of his long-standing view that such measures prompt needless spending.”

  259. This is so devastating.

  260. Pat J: Yes, homoework really does call.

  261. but fuzzy…how do you REALLY feel. 🙂

  262. sod: My only contact with healthcare is as little as possible. Drives me crazy. I was trying to get a tetanus booster in spring before working in the yard was told I couldn’t have one unless I was cut.


  263. WMCB: We are an electic group of 12 and so far have done about 20 books. I have read Belong to Me and it was kind of chic lit but I like it. We considered that last month. I also read the Secret History a few years ago. I am going to Amazon and download Bel Canto for them to consider. And no, we read books both old and new. The one we all liked (which is rare) was the Blind Side of Love by Michael White. It was based on a real murder here in Western MA so it held our complete attention. Thanks for the tips.

  264. CB: Oh, and the Bridge to Nowhere…Obama and Biden voted for it

    Whoa – Ho! I wonder if McCain knows this. Was he voting that day?

  265. Sheri — Taggles: Thank you for your impassioned post. Yes, we’ve only just begun to right all these wrongs. It’s funny, but that’s exactly what the progressives were thinking before the last election. What the heck happened to them that they turned into such fascists? It’s against everything we and they have stood for. It’s almost like a game of telephone.

    We each will vote our conscience, and people will do what they think is best in their particular circumstances to cancel Nobama. But . . . beyond that we’ve got a big job to do. Our success so far shows us that we can produce something powerful if we work together, even if we’re holding up different pieces of the sky.

  266. Carol, on September 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pm Said:

    We’ll said, participation is key to an empowered electorate.

  267. Too bad they have not been as dogged in digging up the corpses in Obama’s backyard. Sure to hit paydirt there.

  268. Lady Boomer NYC: With you at the helm we should succeed.

  269. Pat: I still think a BIG THING is coming out on him from somewhere.

  270. Still4Hill: Fingers crossed. And I don’t care how nasty that sounds, I want him gone!

  271. Oooh. Me likes Palin. Tonight on Greta, they showed a video of her praising Hillary, talking about how great a President Hillary would make and how far women had come.

    I love her as a person.

  272. The solidarity we share now is already making a difference and making history.

  273. Pat,

    You have probably already read it, but Life of Pi is a great read and quite elegant in its simplicity.

  274. Regency: Don’t make me come in there……………….

  275. Pat: Not nasty at all. If there is hidden dirt, it needs to be found. Believe me, if it were Hill or Bill, they’d have their pickaxes going. I get a creepy feeling from this guy.

  276. It’s crazy.

  277. Prolix: Funny you mentioned that book. I just picked it up at a book sale but haven’t started it yet. I think it was up for a Pulitzer. Good choice! Thanks, I will bring that one as well. Three good picks going forward.

  278. Am babysitting in the morning for a 2 month old. One of these days I need to have my head thoroughly examined!

  279. Pat, it goes well with the others you have mentioned. Funny with a message can’t be beaten.

  280. Pat, If you read any Sci Fi, may I recommend Sheri Tepper, and C J Cherryh (she’s a genius). China Meiville’s “Perdido Street Station” is sort of Jules Verne meets Dickens meets Orwell.

    Connie Willis’ “To Say Nothing Of The Dog” is really good too, though not exactly Sci Fi.

    Okay, I’ll not clutter the thread with any more book talk.

  281. Hey Sarah gets points for saying Hillary would be a great President. Now both Sarah and John have said that. That’s a ringing endorsement of Hillary.

  282. [i]testing[/i]

    Sorry for the interruption. Wanted to see if any of this works. We now return you to your regular programming.

  283. I met an adorable 2 month-ol at BJ’s tonight. Made me think of that beautiful picture of Hillary holding a baby – so different from all the past pics of politicians kissing babies. So tender.

  284. Great words “DormantDem”!
    I think EVERY STATE is a SWING STATE!!!
    “Before” the conventions there’s a poll from my DEM state of
    New York where Obama was up by just 9%.
    I haven’t committed to voting for McCain/Palin or NOT voting.

  285. WMCB: Not at all. I love to know what other people are reading and recommending. I read constantly, a guilty pleasure. But I have to admit since Feb I have not been as ardent because of the primaries. So much is piled up waiting to be opened. There is nothing like the pleasure of starting a new book. Thanks for the recommendations.

  286. SOD: lol

  287. sod: I hope before it’s too late. This poor country has been through enough grief.

  288. Pat: Have you ever read “Lake of Dead Languages”? I bought it a few years ago but I haven’t heard good things about it since then. Is it any good?

  289. Regency: No I haven’t and can’t say I ever heard of it.

  290. sod: Right. It’ll serve the DNC right.

  291. Reg: You’re the one with the book! You wait for reviews after you buy the book? And it’s been sitting there for years???

    I won’t ask what you’ve been doing with your leisure time….

  292. I’m off to bed. Night guys. Thanks again, it has been a big help to have your ideas. And Regency, I am not going to say it again. (do I sound like your mother?)

  293. S4Hill: I’ve been reading other books! I’m currently between Agatha Christie’s “The Clocks” and “Murder On the Orient Express,” which I’ve read before but I accidentally bought a second copy of recently. It’s a favorite of mine.

  294. Pat J: You sound enormously like my mother. I just got off the phone with her. I need to get back to “The Iliad.”

  295. Okay, you have gotten me started on books. I second Life of Pi, it was good. No PUMA, but a tiger is prominently featured!

    Oh, and Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon was great.

  296. Night, Pat J!

  297. Elizabeth Hasselbeck made a statement at the luncheon for Cindy McCain that Cindy came to the show unlike another candidate’s wife “without a list of topics that could not be talked about because she has nothing to hide.”

    Good for her.

  298. That whole Alaskan soveregnty group is odd

  299. Still4Hill: You still can’t have Hillary.

  300. The video-bio of Cindy was very impressive. I like her.

  301. ABC’s Jake Tapper latest posting about Obama:


    Barack Obama:

    “The reason you have that safeguard,” he said, “is because we don’t always have the right person. We don’t always catch the right person. We may think this is Mohammed the terrorist, it might be Mohammed the cab driver. You may think it’s Barack the bomb thrower, but it might be Barack the guy running for president.”

    Mohammed the cab driver?
    Mohammed the cab driver?
    Mohammed the cab driver?

    WTF, Obama?

    Racist? Stereotype? Both?

    And his comments about throwing bombs is just weird. You mean like your good buddy, William Ayers?

    How many more people and professions will Obama stereotype this year? I have lost count!

    Obama needs to be exposed for these kinds of statements.

  302. Obama really must not like women. He is so much more comfortable running against a woman by mocking them than a man:

    Obama on Palin: ‘Mother, governor, moose shooter’

    More from Parnes in Farmington Hills, MI:

    Obama told the crowd that McCain and Palin spent most of the convention talking about their biographies.

    Palin’s bio is “compelling,” Obama said.

    The crowd booed. “No, it’s an interesting story.” More boos. “No, no, it is. I mean that sincerely. Mother, governor, moose shooter.”

    The crowd broke out in laughter. “That’s cool. That’s cool. That’s cool stuff,” Obama said.

    He ccomplishes two things here. He brings up that her daughter is pregnant(of course this was not something Palin discussed at convention) and he makes fun of her being a hunter. I literally can not stand this guy. And, what blatant hypocrisy…the repubs are running on biography? Come on, the entire nexus of his campaign is what a great biography he has.

  303. Salon.com is simply DISGUSTING in its utter misogyny:


    Anyone want to guess how many more votes Sarah gets out of this one?

  304. sod: Yes, good question. She evidently was on with Ellen today. Neither Barack not Meeshill move their feet when they “dance,” btw.

  305. Oh sorry, I thought he said “grandmother”. He said “governor”.

  306. masslib: Lieutenant Grandmother

  307. Upstream there was discussion of the Jacka$$ Jeopardy line-up on MessNBC. Just like Jeopardy, the answer is always those jacka$$es no matter what the question.

    In addition to Tweety’s, “Palin is running to be a cross-dresser First Lady/VP, Keith Obamanation’s Palin is a liar and his question to BZero, “Why don’t you call her a liar,” there was the debut of Rachel Maddow. I want to like her I really do, but it was excruciatingly profligate and putrid. After essentially re-running the KO interview she went after Palin on religion, her church and even Alaska as a state. As Maddow is often wont to do she went through some mental gymnastics that would make young Chinese girls envious.

    If Steve Schultz was watching or any of the 527’s and of course they were, BZero should get used to seeing a$$ in front of him without a mirror — he’ll never regain a lead in the polls. Twenty million U.S. Penecostals are not going to be happy. It’s one thing to disagree about religion, but quite another to make fun of it.

  308. OT–for the next Scratching Post Cocktail Hour, the drink menu courtesy of bitterpoliticz http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/uh-oh-we-need-more-kool-aid/#comment-165141

  309. Thanks to all who are willing to look beyond party affiliation and hello to all of you too.

    Arabella, agree. WCMB, yes – I watched it with my daughter a few years ago. She was horrified, I was horrified. Sadly, a few months later we did voter registration at the fair. It was our second time doing so. We approached a woman, and she said (I kid you not) “I don’t vote, my husband votes for us.” I was shocked. By the end of our 3 hour shift, we had 5 women tell us this exact same thing – they don’t vote because their husbands vote for the family. I had to literally grab my daughter by the back of her shirt she was spitting mad. The democrats must have had the same situation because within a month, there was a commercial from the Democrat Congresswoman (that I vote for, she’s great), saying women, we have fought hard to earn our right to vote, it’s important that you not only register, but that you vote.

    This did send me on a quest and I view things so differently after this election began. I own the movie and I plan to have a “movie night” for anyone interested from our club prior to early voting.

    I know some of you absolutely despise the caucus process; however, living in a state that has been a primary for the last 20 years, and never having participated in a Caucus, I found the NON-binding process so much more fair. When they started “classes” on how to participate in a caucus, my first question was why bother going all the way to the State Convention, at great expense to myself, when the party has already chosen the delegates? That’s what happens with a primary – your state leaders basically choose the delegates, you just attend the conventions for the rah-rahs. Ron Paul beat JM in our state. They trained on the delegate process, and did a great job. By the time we got to the State Convention, they knew the system so much better than we did. Although they were called traitors, not real Republicans, hijackers, insurgents, etc. They successfully changed the rules so the “slate” would not get elected. They were well on their way to taking every single open delegate state and they shut down our convention, turned off the lights, and went home. They party then said mail-in; not allowed. Then they said new convention days before the delegates had to be submitted. Not enough interest so it was canceled. They they submitted the original slate to the RNC to be seated.

    The RP delegates protested, held a “rogue” convention, didn’t meet quorum, but submitted a protest to the RNC with their own delegates. They also sued, unsuccessfully.

    Finally, in the 11th hour, the RNC decided to seat 4 calling our State Party “inept”:

    The delegates had 2 days notice to be in St. Paul. They scraped, they borrowed, they begged, and they got there. To find out they weren’t wanted. It didn’t help that one of the delegates (who was running for Congress) dedicated a song to our “female” State Chair on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRVA9aBqVl8
    prior to the 2nd “rogue” convention (would have been somewhat o.k. had the “c” word not been insinuated).

    The RP campaign sent emails stating make nice with the party. They wound up trading up their RP vote, didn’t abstain, and allowed our State to be unanimous, for their efforts they received a huge backlash back home:

    The point I’m trying to make with this, had we been a primary, there would have been no delegate fight. No opportunity to support the candidate you believed in. The party leaders pretty much decide who is worthy of attending the coronation ceremony.

    In a binding caucus, you are forced to turn your vote over if your candidates throws their support behind someone else.

    In a primary, it’s winner takes all.

    Anyway, I’m going to be fighting to keep our non-binding Caucus, it forces people to understand how important your vote is. I’ll lose this battle, I’m certain of it, but it’s not going to stop me from trying.

    I had to throw in my 2 cents here.

  310. Pat Johnson Said:
    My book club is meeting tomorrow night. Does anyone have any good suggestions to recommend for next month?

    How about The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell or Eat, Pray, Love by Elizabeth Gilbert

  311. Rachel is on my list. She was consistently nasty about Hillary all through the primaries. She cannot redeem herself. I cannot understand her level of negativity toward Hillary. It was irrational. Make that post-rational.

  312. sod & ugsome: So I have become a symbol of hope! (?)

  313. Still,

    I’m still angry about the primary as well. While I want to give her the benefit of the doubt (she’s running out of rope on that one) I am coming to believe she was pandering and continues to pander to get the show. If tonight was any indication, Abrams might think about unpacking his boxes.

  314. sod: Make the O sign. LOL

  315. Strickland Says Obama’s Got Ohio Wrong

    Ohio’s Dem Governor says “No” to Obama tax plan, says Obama’s view of Ohio is wrong
    Posted by: mcauleysworld on: 08 Sep, 2008
    The following article was published in the Wall Street Journal, September 6, 2008. The article was authored by Mr. Strickland , the current Democratic Governor of Ohio. Mr Fisher is the Democratic Lieutenant Governor of that same state.
    The authors are correct – we should not believe all the gloom and doom about Ohio – Ohio has adopted progressive policies that are working and provide a brighter future for the people of that state. The gloom and doom recently described by the Obama/Biden ticket on their way accross Ohio is false.
    A dark cloud on the horizon – the proposed tax policy of the Obama/Biden ticket, which would double taxes on dividends and capital gains and increase marginal tax rates to 60%, could undo all of the ground work put in place in Ohio.

    Damn, man, stop pissing off the Big Dems, won’t you.

  316. [[[ sigh ]]] a perfect summarization of the last 8 years.

  317. Actually, I think I (& others here) have become the symbol of NOPE!

  318. I didn’t watch Rachel tonight. I still have nightmares from the Dem Convention when she went “off the rails” with Pat Buchanan. The woman is obviously medicated, and I can’t take a chance she won’t skip the pills again.

    Nite Nite Hoping Joe is on in the morning.

  319. I was researching Sarah Palin months ago when I heard her name mentioned as a long shot VP choice, and I read an article where she said she did not believe that religion should play any part in politics. I think the Obama people are once again not thinking what they are doing in their rush to crucify this woman. Has she ever used her political position to funnel money to her church? Has Obama? (I already know the answer to this one, and am anxiously awaiting the money trail search regarding the millions from the CAC and whether any of those dollars ended up with Obama’s favorite churches).
    Has Sarah Palin ever called any of her pastors a “mentor” ? Has Obama?
    Does anyone else think this religion thing is going to backfire on Obama?

  320. “Pat Johnson, on September 8th, 2008 at 10:21 pm Said:

    I have read all 3 books penned by Bob Woodward regarding Bush and the war. Am quite anxious to read the last one since he basically says Bush had no real idea of what he was doing. Like we didn’t already know that up front!”

    In 2003, Harry Reid looked me straight in the eye and told me he read everything he could, thinking I was a Democrat (I was at a Dem event) and was convinced that voting for the war was the right thing to do and I should support George Bush. I spoke with him for probably 5 minutes about his absolute support of this war, Halliburton, completely supported the no-bid contract, he actually convinced me we were doing the right thing. As a result, I voted for him in 2004. Wow, was I shocked when he later said the war was lost, GWB lied (which would mean so did he). I honestly believe it’s all politics. They know far more than we do, but they also know we’ll never have access to that information. One of the things I respected most about Hillary, after being so disappointed in Harry’s turn coat actions, is she never said we need to immediately leave, but that we need to leave responsibility, with a stable government in place. I think she could have extracted us quickly, efficiently, and safely.

  321. Ohio – welcome to “McCain’s World” We will treat you right!

  322. Interesting, on clips from Charlie Rose’s interview with Palin they did Q and A in the Green Room and she was asked about her favorite authors. She said CS Lewis and Dr. George Sheehan. Both men have serious Christian ties. Sheehan’s is more obscure in that he founded a christian boys school I think in NJ. I just found it odd that the two she picked were both connected that easily to their religious beliefs. She couldn’t just say Steinbeck or maybe Erma Bonbeck. Again, I’m going for McCain…but we will really need Hillary to eventually reign this in.

  323. I meant ‘rein’

  324. sagesgram: Does anyone else think this religion thing is going to backfire on Obama?
    What did he say about McCain not talking about his muslim religion?

    Here’s what I want to know: Who WERE those busloads who came into the primaries. I begin to wonder, being from Chicago and all, if he has ties to The Nation of Islam.

  325. I’m hoping Charlie Gibson will question her about what role her faith has in setting policy.

  326. Hillary will never let PUMA’s down. She and McCain stick with their principles. She needs us and we want her. (okay, we need her also.)

  327. I’m telling ya, people in the swing states need to start scrubbing the voters registration rolls. You know damn well there is fraud.

  328. The future looks pretty bleak for sure.

  329. I’m certain the O campaign is picking out the states, cities, and precincts in specific states where they can perpetrate fraud.

  330. Republican: she never said we need to immediately leave, but that we need to leave responsibility, with a stable government in place. I think she could have extracted us quickly, efficiently, and safely
    And we all lost. I want Hillary back.

  331. Reg — we should work to extract a public commitment.

  332. Look at this. The idiot is getting his campaign lines from a freakin cartoonist:

    A Good Line But Not Obama’s
    “This came to Senator Obama from a friend who didn’t indicate where he had gotten it from, but the questions it raises certainly continue to ring true,” Psaki said in an email. “He did not know it was from a cartoon and now that he does he will certainly credit the cartoonist.”

    Here is whom it belongs to

  333. ben: I think you are right. Election monitoring involves more than election day. The wind-up needs to be watched. They’ll be throwing spitballs.

  334. Pat, two books apropos to the season:

    Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
    Radical Chic and Mau-mauing the Flak Catchers by Tom Wolfe.

  335. I too live in one of those swing states (Pennsylvania) whose governor and congressman I’m proud to say were huge Hillary Clinton supporters. And like many others I am totally struggling with what to do come November. One thing is for certain: I will NOT vote for Obama, a supremely unqualified man for the presidency who displayed unabashed misogyny with his disgraceful behavior towards Senator Clinton, and was “installed” by the DNC as its candidate rather than fairly elected by we members of the Democratic Party. This is not my party any longer, and I’m seriously considering registering as an Independent. That said, I can’t imagine myself voting for a Republican who shares virtually none of my core beliefs when it comes to social and economic issues. And there’s the rub…either vote against my conscience or “waste” my vote by writing in the name of the best qualified individual for POTUS—Hillary Rodham Clinton. Lots to think about in the next 60 days….

    As an aside, Taggles, I had to laugh at “…we have been called (gasp) feminists who only want a vagina in charge in the White House”

    So, does that mean men who vote for men only want a dick in the White House? Oops, yes it does, and in more ways than one! 🙂

    Thanks for letting me vent!

  336. It’s clear that Hillary has made the necessary adjustments to her ideas to make it feasible and affordable.

  337. Pat – How about everybody reading a different book about Warren G. Harding? There are a number of them. Actually he may well have been the first AA president, but was not “out.” There is evidence however.
    So all this orchestration to write history might have been por nada when the truth about Harding comes out.

  338. It’s funny, they’ve got 30+ lawyers combing Alaska for any kind of dirt they can dredge up on Sarah, but all they’ve found is Ted Steven’s belly-button lint so far.

  339. S4Hill: That would make my life.

  340. Life of Pi – my daughter (then in Europe) and I finished this book at the same time and spent an hour discussing it. We discovered that our friends who are religious did not like it at all; those who are non-religious found it quite interesting.

  341. Anybody wanna see my play?
    A Halloween Story: A Play in One Act

    Setting: Wassilla , Alaska. The town is blanketed with snow. It is Friday, October 30, the day before Halloween. Little Sarah and Obie, 4th graders, are trudging through the snow in the dim morning light on their way to school.

    Scene 1

    Obie: What’re you gonna be for Halloween?
    Sarah: I’m gonna be a barracuda. What’re you gonna be?
    Obie: I’m gonna be President of the USA!
    Sarah: Which one? Harding?
    Obie: ME! I’m gonna be ME as President of the USA!
    Sarah: What kind of stupid costume is that? That’s not a costume! Nobody’s gonna give you candy for that!
    Obie: Oh yeah? We’ll see!

    Scene 2

    (trudge….trudge…trudge…school up ahead: Warren G. Harding Elementary School named for the first AA President of the USA)

    Sarah: You know what my Dad says? He says when it’s cold like this, if you stick your tongue on the flagpole, it’ll freeze there and stick!
    Obie: Nah!
    Sarah: Yah!
    Obie: Nah!
    Sarah: Oh YAH! You betcha!
    Obie: (walking to the flag pole as they enter the school yard)
    Watch! (puts tongue on flag pole as a crowd of kids gathers)
    Bell rings
    Sarah: Gotta go!
    Obie: Don’t leave! THTUCK!!
    Sarah: But the BELL RANG!! (runs toward the school)
    Obie: (screams and cries)

    Scene 3

    (Inside the classroom, the beautiful, blonde 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Clinton takes attendance. All the children love Mrs. Clinton. They can’t wait to be in 4th grade. She is stunning in an orange pantsuit for the last day of school before Halloween.)

    Mrs. Clinton: Hmmmmm. Obie’s not here. Has anybody seen Obie?
    Sarah: (Points toward the school yard where Obie is crying, arms wildly flailing stuck to the flagpole)
    Mrs. Clinton: (smiles) He’d better calm down or he’ll poke is eye out.


  342. New thread. It is fun.

  343. Still4 and Pat
    They probably feel like Cher prepping for a concert looking at her wardrobe….

  344. Their timing has always been impeccable…no?

  345. Great post, Tags.

  346. Carol…Oh Snap!!

  347. They seem to have a big list of ‘off limit’ topics — everything.

  348. Dang..that’s good

  349. Now THAT is classic!!

  350. Don’t forget your jammies.

  351. Still4Hill: Agreed. I would have been torn between JM and HRC. While I would have “worked” for JM, not sure I would have voted for him behind that curtain. Probably, but I’ve crossed the lines before and I could easily cast my vote for HRC. Just probably would have held her to a “higher standard.” But I’m also thinking she would have not only met it, but surpassed it. So glad I’m anonymous here. LOL.

  352. Pat Johnson, on September 8th, 2008 at 10:17 pm Said:

    gxm: Lucky you who has a husband who cooks! ”

    Does my hubby get kudos: he does all the laundry even though he only gets one home-cooked meal by me a week. : )

  353. all right everyone…I”m off to bed!

  354. All I know, is I want to see the sexist pigs who did this crap fired. Brazile, Dean, and Pelosi. Gone. How dare they push out two political leaders who brought nothing but prosperity to the US. Well respected and loved. The Clintons are the people who gave Obama any hint of a convention bounce. Without them, he couldn’t have gotten this far.

    And they spit on Hillary, and on Bill. I will be doing whatever it takes to see them gone, and that means voting for them.

    I am a staunch feminist, and I don’t know if I will go back to the Dem party. If Hillary runs, and they defend her instead of bashing her, I might go back.

  355. sod,

    You’re welcome. Use it in good health.


    Wow! Where did all these chickens come from?

  356. Taggles:

    Great article but you didn’t mention the most important reason. Obama was allowed to claim the nomination on June 3 with only 1766 pledged delegates, thereby fraudulently claiming control over the convention and the roll call procedure. In my opinion, it should be the main talking point; easy to explain, easy for people to understand, and impossible to dispute or justify.

  357. Pat
    If you like irony some of the short stories by Jeffery Archer are great.
    a twist in the tale
    A quiver full of arrows.
    One of my favorites by him is Not a penny less not a penny more.



  358. PUMAs put Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney and Sarah Palin on the ballots. We protest corruption and misogyny and stand up for democracy and feminism. Sounds good to me!

  359. WOW, I came to this site to find out what PUMA is all about, the sad part is many of you are white and Obama isn’t, you haven’t given credit to him for running this campaign without lobbiest money and that’s when Hilary’s troubles began. If she can forgive Bill for God know’s what, to keep her eye on the prize (our first woman President) why can’t you guys. Iowa was the state that made the greatest AMERICAN statement and showed that something must happen and change. It’s so sad that many of you will choose to vote for any white WOMAN or MAN for that matter, instead of someone that seems to be the best alternative and the only thing wrong with him is that there is nothing wrong. It looks like the Republican’s are right about many of you. White first……then right. You are concidering to vote for someone you don’t even agree with because of the color of her skin. WOW, maybe it’s not the white men in this world that are the problem, maybe it’s PUMA.

  360. Rachel Teresita – How do you know that the only reason Hillary forgave Bill was because she was “keeping her eye on the prize”. And please GMAB with this nonsense of Obama not taking money from lobbyists. He has taken plenty of it infact more than Hillary. The only reason Obama won IOWA is because it was a caucus and we all know how he wins those. If he won it and it made such a huge statement then why isn’t he ahead of McCain by more than 15% 🙄

    It’s so sad that many of you will choose to vote for any white WOMAN or MAN for that matter, instead of someone that seems to be the best alternative and the only thing wrong with him is that there is nothing wrong.

    😆 wow. There are so many things wrong with Obma that I don’t even know where to begin. How about that he is a fraud, arrogant, corrupt, inexperienced, got no accomplishments, never won a fair campaign, has no core values, stole Hillary’s policies which means he has no policies of his own and that is a problem for him because he can’t really discuss about the policies he has stolen.
    Oh and his wife hates Hillary for no apparent reason which is odd since Hillary fundraised for her husband before his presidential run.

    Rachel – do yourself a favour and find out more about Obama. Ask how his constituents felt when Obama failed to help them during that brutal winter without heat.

  361. *The following is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to get banned when she was mayor of Wasilla.*
    *This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board.*
    *When the librarian refused to ban the books, Palin tried to get her fired.*

    A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
    Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
    As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
    Blubber by Judy Blume
    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
    Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
    Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
    Carrie by Stephen King
    Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
    Christine by Stephen King
    Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
    Cujo by Stephen King
    Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
    Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
    Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
    Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
    Decameron by Boccaccio
    East of Eden by John Steinbeck
    Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
    Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
    Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
    Forever by Judy Blume
    Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
    Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
    Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
    Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
    Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
    Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
    Have to Go by Robert Munsch
    Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
    How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
    Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
    I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
    Impressions edited by Jack Booth
    In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
    It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
    James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
    Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
    Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
    Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
    Lord of the Flies by William Golding
    Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
    Lysistrata by Aristophanes
    More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
    My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
    My House by Nikki Giovanni
    My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
    Night Chills by Dean Koontz
    Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
    On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
    One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
    One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
    Ordinary People by Judith Guest
    Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
    Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
    Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
    Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
    Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
    Separate Peace by John Knowles
    Silas Marner by George Eliot
    Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
    Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
    The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
    The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
    The Bastard by John Jakes
    The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
    The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
    The Color Purple by Alice Walker
    The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
    The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
    The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
    The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
    The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
    The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
    The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
    The Living Bible by William C. Bower
    The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
    The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
    The Pigman by Paul Zindel
    The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
    The Shining by Stephen King
    The Witches by Roald Dahl
    The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
    Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
    To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
    Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
    Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
    Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

    That’s YOUR candidate, you sick, evil people

  362. hey jsmog, you DUMBASS, the Harry Potter books were written AFTER Palin was mayor of Wasilla. You stupid morons should do a tiny bit of research before you make up these kinds of smears. It not only makes YOU look evil, it makes you look dumb as a brick. YOUR candidate on the other hand campaigned with “ex gays” like donnie mcclurkin, has told women they shouldn’t be able to have access to abortions if they feel “blue”, and smeared half of the democratic base by calling them racists.

    now whois is the sick evil person?

  363. Rachel teresita, why are you saying it is “sad” that obama isn’t white? we don’t like that kind of racist rhetoric here. /snark. Obama’s fundraising must REALLY be in the toilet if they are reduced to hiring idiots like you to be trolls….sheesh….

  364. Most of Hillary’s plans are overambitious and bold. That is what makes them special for me. When I read some of them, I was just amazed at how much thought was put into one plan and then wondered if it would all be achieved. Hillary had so many great plans and all she needed was a chance to make them a reality. It is sad.

  365. Ah, the quality of trolls is diminishing, too flipping obtuse/afraid to find a current thread to post this garbage.

    gary @ 8:38… lol

  366. How you vote also depends largely on whether you live in a swing state or not. I live in a guaranteed-Obama state (HELLOOOOO fellow Marylanders!) so my third-party vote has the two-fer value of a) strengthening a third party whose platform I strongly support, that is the Green Party and b)denying BO a vote. It doesn’t *really matter* because MD is a lock for him anyway, but it matters for upholding those two principles. If I lived in a swing state I would hold my nose and vote McCain.

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