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Monday: Stormy Monday

And, no, we’re not talking about Hurricane Ike, although we are sending good thoughts to our Floridian and Gulf Coast Conflucians today.

What we’re talking about is it the newest USA Today/Gallup poll that puts McCain ahead by 10 points over Barack Obama.  This latest poll was conducted from September 5-7, 2008, sufficient time to gauge the Palin Effect and John McCain’s speech.  Darragh Murphy said that the Republicans would finish Obama off by the end of September.  Who knew that the minions working for Obama would be so efficient in speeding things up?  The DNC must be in full panic mode, hoping and praying that Hillary can pull it out for them.  Bastards.

By the way, I finally got a chance to view McCain’s speech in its entirety on my DVR and I have to say that it took me by surprise.  McCain put his own party on notice.  There were many points in that speech when the applause in my house was louder than the tepid response he got in Minnesota.  I sometimes wonder which torture was more painful and humiliating for him.  The Hanoi Hilton or being broken by the Bushies while they trashed the tattered remnants of his own party?

It remains to be seen whether John McCain can deliver on the reform he promises.  But one thing is for certain: there is no doubt who he identifies with as his role models.  He admires Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower.  These are men of integrity, progressivism and moderation.  John McCain’s voting record in the past eight years has not reflected much of any of those three things.  But he *does* have a respectable record on election reform and objection to the earmark system.  It is regrettable that he broke to vote with the Bushies on so many other horrific bills.  Did he compromise his principles in order to survive and fight another day?

In the meantime, the PUMAs may be flexing their muscles. We are real and there are millions of us.  Millions disaffected enough to bump McCain up, whether or not we intend to vote for him.  We got the word out that the Democrats were NOT unified.  We showed up at the MSNBC kiosk in Denver and “marched and shouted slogans” (generic NPR speak for any sufficiently significant band of protestors).  I didn’t mind shouting “Rise, Hillary! Rise!” but felt uncomfortable about calling Matthews a sexist pig.  He did come out at one point and stood on the corner of the stage, a little like a contrite sinner in the stocks, as the goody townspeople hurled nasty epithets at him.  I suppose we should feel happy that Olbermann and Matthews have now been sidelined.

But *why* are they being sidelined?  What possible harm could they do now?  Exactly.  Their job is done.  They took out Hillary Clinton.  Now’s the time to bring in the less overtly vitriolic team to shore up NBC’s reputation and return to the status quo of treating Republicans with kid gloves while covering the Democrats less gently.  The whole mechanism is reconstructed as it is every four years.  The electoral map hasn’t changed significantly, except that now the Democrats are in danger of losing Pennsylvania.  Plus ça change…

We did what we could.  We got the word out as best we could.  We fought off attack after attack.  We tried to warn our own side not to fall into the trap.  But fall it did.

Lord, have mercy on me.

325 Responses

  1. As a Floridian, I thank you for your concern. Those of us in extreme SE Florida will get some rain and maybe some wind. The Keys will get more than that. The Gulf States look like they may tgake a hit. We’ll hold a good thought for them.

  2. But Tuesday’s just as bad! bwahahahaha

    McCain/Palin 2008

  3. USA Today/Gallup and MSNBC, drip, drip, drip.

  4. This is so satisfying. And you are correct, of course, the ultimate goal was to elect Republicans. NBC bolstered Bush from the get go.

  5. Sarah Palin……should snub “Meet the Press”. That would put the icying on the cake. “Meet the Press” (Sarah) ……I don’t do comedy.

  6. As somebody said somewhere else…the choice of the P woman as VP, and the re-energizing of the R base as a consequence, will bring coattails for races that otherwise should have been a shoe in (I hope that is how the expression goes) for Ds.

    Nicely done DNC.

  7. RD and purplefinn, I think it’s too early to suggest the MSM will move to McCain, especially NBC, MSNBC. What I saw this morning would suggest they are all still in the tank for Obama.

    Particularily NBC and MSNBC They have a lot invested in Obama I don’t think they are going to change stripes. They may give McCain more coverage only because Palin draws viewers. Otherwise I say they will still push Obama.

  8. Riverdaughter, I was in the bookstore yesterday and it struck me that you should compile a book of your columns called something like “PUMA: Birth of a Political Movement” and publish it before the election. I think the record needs to show that it was not Hillary Clinton’s “fault” that the Dems lost in in Nov, and nor was it racism. It was a stupid choice rooted in misogyny, ego, and hatred of the Clintons. I noticed in the store that all pictures of McCain now are in profile, where he looks better, or are touched up (see the cover of Time). Yep, corporate media wants McCain and now that the conventions are over, they are going to get him. How could the DNC not see this coming? Did they really think this nobody who raked in Republican money had converted the Republicans and the corporations?

    I hope McCain takes every state. I thought Eisenhowere was a terrible president (see The Hidden Hand Presidency) and McCain’s policy’s are not liberal, but at least he isn’t a self-proclaimed messiah with a work history that my 19 year old nephew could rival.

  9. Hillary-zila, on September 8th, 2008 at 7:22 am Said:

    “Meet the Press” (Sarah) ……I don’t do comedy.


    Ohhhhhhhh, an ironic comedic response!!

    UpstateNY – “shoo-in” I had to look it up once.

  10. NH, on September 8th, 2008 at 7:39 am Said:

    I think it’s too early to suggest the MSM will move to McCain, especially NBC, MSNBC


    OK, but they probably think that they can’t really lose this time with either candidate. While I’m thinking we can’t win. 😦

  11. Thanks purple.

  12. The NYTimes article suggests that some of the changes at MSNBC were in part in response to complaints by the McCain campaign. Hillary was significantly less successful in getting Olbermann and Matthews tabled.

  13. NBC….MSNBC……Will still be giving us….Obama’s favorite analyse…..Mathews and Obermann.

  14. Ratings baby, rating. I guess they really want to interview the P woman.

    Taking about ratings….traffic at TM is way down. Sad. Hope those credentials were worth it.

  15. It suddenly struck me why McCain is doing so well, aside from picking Sarah Palin as his VP: He’s stolen Hillary’s message. He’s become the candidate that is going to “fight for you.”

    Hillary was going to fight for me. Obama? He was never going to fight for me.

    And now McCain — well, McCain is going to fight for me. He picked the pitbull hockey mom to help him. He sharpened his message. He’s going to challenge Washington. He’s not offering me “Change You Can Hope For.” No, he’s offering me “Government that works for you.”

  16. “…. I think the record needs to show that it was not Hillary Clinton’s “fault” that the Dems lost in in Nov, and nor was it racism. It was a stupid choice rooted in misogyny, ego, and hatred of the Clintons”

    Not only that but how the media has normalized the fact that a woman with 18 million votes was not chosen as VP. The media/Obama camp talks about it like it was a logical thing to do.

  17. “He’s not offering me “Change You Can Hope For.” No, he’s offering me “Government that works for you.”

    Talk about magic act.

  18. I believe MSNBC will still push Obama. I think the two reasons they are getting rid of Matthews and Olberman from the anchor spots is that several polls have shown that most people are on to their shilling, and at the same time they still come in last place in the ratings. I think they believe if they change out Matthews and Olbermann they can convince people that it was just the two of them being biased not the whole network.
    MSNBC has chosen for the last couple years to be anti-bush and pro-Obama. It isn’t going to change up two months before the election. They have too much riding on Obama. It’s just they know they F’d up, and they see it is actually hurting their candidate. I don’t think there is much they can do about it really. The damage is done.

  19. My current theory about the reorg at MSNBC is that they are still in the tank for Obama and don’t want to risk KO and Tweety blowing it. As we know, KO and Tweety went over the line quite a bit with Hillary and even got called out on it. They instantly went this route when McCain picked Palin. It seems these two “journalists” don’t know how to criticize a female politician without resorting to sexism. I think MSNBC is trying to “get clean” for the upcoming general. Perhaps someone in the office there reads Kos and is finally seeing that this is not a lovely association.

  20. Can they send Andrea to cover Ike?

  21. Mawm,

    I agree with you. The media will continue to push Obama. He is the candidate of Wall Street and the Washington elites. McCain and Palin are too risky. They might not follow orders. That won’t be a problem with Obama and Biden.

  22. Mitchell is one of the biggest Obama shills. She even adopts the ebonics way of speaking. Remember when she asked, I think it was Wolfson, during the primary, “What up wit dat”? I thought I was losing my mind at the time. Gary and I turned to each other mouths agape.

  23. Pathetic DK comment:

    Ughh (0+ / 0-)
    Got this sickly feeling in my tummy today.
    Polls, Palin, negative ads, folks in a tizzy. I think I need a detox from politics for a week or so. Allz I’m seeing is FEAR FEAR FEAR, PANIC PANIC PANIC, WE’RE LOSING WE’RE LOSING WE’RE LOSING! What happened to having our eyes on the prize? Being positive and focused? Lately, just seems like we’re a self-imploding entity – beating ourselves before the other side gets the chance to.
    I just feel icky today 😦

    [guess I can add this post to the downer pool huh?]

    Dont burn me, this is just my opinion of how things seem to be spiraling downward around these parts

    Totally in the tank for Keith O’!

  24. I’m really tempted to log in at the Cheeto and make fun of a some of the bots. It might be fun to be trollrated into oblivion by a bunch of idiots with UIDs over 160K.

  25. They should feel more than icky. They should feel ashamed of themselves.

  26. MSNBC drove away those of us who longed for a network that refused to pander to the Bush WH talking points. Instead they permitted their anchors to go on air and repeatedly slam Hillary Clinton while making no bones about their avid support of Obama night after night. They sat back and allowed Keith Olbermann to issue “special comments” where none were needed in defense of Obama and permitted Matthews to utter the most outrageous statements while pretending to be “neutral”. The public quickly saw through this sham and tuned out. It soon became apparent that the entire network was working round the clock to assure an Obama win while slowly eviscerating the chances of Hillary Clinton.

    By allowing Keith Olbermann to become their “star” they put themselves at risk since through the continual feeding of his already gigantic ego, and his reputation for being unable to get along with others, it merely heightened his ability to alienate viewers and other “playmates” in the stable of MSNBC. Their one-sided coverage became a joke and they now seek cover by denying their two stooges the on air time to cover the election. This overpaid talent is an embarassment and I am waiting for the day when KO is forced to end his broadcast with “Good night
    and good luck” as this does a total disservice to Edward R. Murrow. That sign off would be a sweet adieu to just another overpaid blowhard with serious issues masquerading as a newsman.

    O’Reilly must be dancing in the aisle.

  27. ……………………………………..LOU DOBBS………………………….

    Should be given, some kind of award. Thank you, Lou.

  28. Good morning Conflucians!

    Just finished reading last night;’s posts – I couldn’t hang around last night because like RD said, my upkeep at home needed some attention.

    We’ve worked DAMN HARD since June to see this 10% difference, and had it not been for our loud and hellacious group, we would not have seen this effect.

    The DNC is imploding, the Prog Blogs 1.0 are imploding, even MSNBC’s imploding.

    Little by little, they are realizing that you can’t take 18 million votes and flush them down the toilet.

    BTW, thanks for the well wishes, looks like Ike is going to Texas, Carol & regency & all our Texas Conflucians, get ready & keep safe!

  29. “looks like Ike is going to Texas, Carol & regency & all our Texas Conflucians, get ready & keep safe!”

    Yes, please. Take good care (although I hear Ike, like KO, has been demoded).

  30. Now if they at MSNBC were truly smart-

    they would have picked a less well known woman to be the anchor
    instead of yet another male- y’know the Palin effect……..

    Aren’t you just sick of seeing ,what is it, 90% of the faces on the news
    white middle aged men-it’s time for an equal representation of women.

  31. BB, that MUST be a troll.

    Be safe, and If you decide to go “there,” please take a before and after bath in Purell.

  32. riverdaughter,
    can my site be added to your blogroll??


  33. I like BTD…but this is perhaps a little bit “too much”?

    “One way of doing that, imo, is to identify Barack Obama more strongly with the Democratic Party and, in particular, with the Clinton Administration’s economic record. To that end, I heard Chuck Todd make an interesting suggestion – have Obama campaign with Hillary Clinton. I think that is a good idea. I’ll go one further – have Obama campaign with Bill Clinton.”


  34. Upstate,buenos días, hope your move is working out!

    The problem is that very warm Gulf water. It’s 1-2 degrees warmer than the Atlantic because it’s shallower. A Cat 2 can turn into a 4 easily. I’m praying that it behaves like Gustav did and not pass Cat 2.

  35. BTD can’t turn Obama into Hillary no matter what he says.

  36. That NYT article is a step in the right direction for acknowledging media bias, except that the writer of the article notes that “… MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary. But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred.” “IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS”??? Where the hell has this journalist been for the past several months? Also, Mitchell, Shyster, Schmucker Carlson, and others are not criticized for their biased and unprofessional “reporting.” Now, when is someone going to write a story on NYT writers who are biased and unprofessional?

  37. Gracie,

    I wouldn’t get carried away. The GOP thinks an effective government is a dismantled one. There isn’t any indication that McCain is any different in that respect. He’s going to cut social spending, he’s going to increase defense spending, he isn’t going to do a darn thing that will help the millions without health care(Darn I am depressing myself). The fact that he is a fighter is less important than what he will fight for.

    The major thing Mccain has in his favor is the DNC can not get away with rigging a primary. It sets an awful precedent. Oh and the Obama campaign itself. I’ve never seen a more ego driven campaign. Even W LIED and pretended he cared what American people thought during the election cycle. Obama appears disinterested in a partnership with the American people for anything other than a set of shoulders to carry him over the finish line. Otherwise he could care less about asking the “racist, uneducated, hormone driven bitter gun clingers” how he can get their vote.

    After Edwards dropped out Hillary exercised humility and ASKED Edwards supporters and courted Edwards supporters. After the delegate got stripped and McCain saw how aghast Hillary supporters were he ASKED Hillary supporters and has courted them for their support. What has Obama done that gives anybody the idea that he understands humility and will ask the American people what they want and then bite the bullet tell them what they need instead of just what they want to hear and why they need it.

  38. BTD must be tired of banging his head up against a brick wall.

    Scorched Earth is so damn unattractive.

  39. bboomer, did you see that diary on the rec list, something like “listen up white people” or something. It was basically a friendly reminder to the white obots that everyone who is against Obama is an OMFG!3!! RACIST!!!!! and that they should basically cut anyone out of their lives who isn’t “pure” really scary stuff.

    On another topic, did anybody see that Obama has said he will now not rollback Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy? Jeeeeesus, we might as well just let GW stay in office if he wins….

  40. blue morning it could worse……Maddow or Couric. Ick.

  41. Buenos dias, SM. I am hoping for that too. Please be safe.

    “The move” as I like to call it is going OK. Son and pets are taking it quite well (our oldest cat is not but she has been to Spain, so she is adapting).

    Lots of boxes still unopened, lots of work still to be done (inside and yard). As a matter of fact I will be going to Home Depot in a while (We have some “odd sized” windows and I found out that at HD, unlike Lowes, they cut venetian blinds to fit, who knew uh?).

    Bueno, me voy a preparar. Hasta luego.

  42. btw, loved the comparison of MSNBC to a heroin addict in the NYT piece!!

  43. The part of McCain’s speech that stood out to me (in a quiet way) was when he spoke about the fact that in the last 8 years our government has lost the public trust.

    I know McCain has to be careful to not overly bash his own party, but if he can really hit on this “public trust” theme, and make a convincing argument that he can repair that basic trust (whether you agree with all his policies or not), he will win in a landslide.

  44. Gary,

    I saw the title, but I didn’t read it. The quality of writing over there is so unbelieveably bad these days.

  45. The MSM and the stupid talking heads are again insisting that Hillary and Bill come out openly and sing the praises for the most unqualified, inexperienced, overrated “community organizer” ever to grace the national scene as a future presidential candidate. What bullsh*t!

    If I were Hillary I would just say: “Look, I am far better equipped and prepared than this No Nothing, but you just had to have him. I was smeared, derided, insulted, abused, and called a ra*cist and now I am expected to come out here and promote the very same person behind these attacks? As Bill would say, give me a break! I am the real thing, not this generic excuse for a Commander in Chief. You wanted Brand X, you got him. But don’t expect me to pitch this product. And from the way things are going right now, he ain’t doing all that well with the consumer. So start practicing, “Good morning, President McCain”.

  46. Gary: “On another topic, did anybody see that Obama has said he will now not rollback Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy? Jeeeeesus, we might as well just let GW stay in office if he wins….”

    That’s why the Wall Streeters supported Obama from day one.

  47. Where is this dairy with the instructions for the Obamabots, garychapelhill? I have noticed they move in lockstep, but how do they do it? How do we know BO is behind it and not the GOP? I mean, I know, but I can’t explain it to someone else.

    Did anyone else notice all of Cindy McCain’s orange outfits this last week? Ya think?

  48. Riverdaughter,

    The fix was in almost 2 years ago. I can’t believe that some powerful dems didn’t know how this was going to go down. The Republicans would have never won, if the democrats supported Hillary Clinton. tThe DNC and D party are the ones responsible. They were in on it and shoved this inexperienced black man into the race deliberately to devide the primary electorate to take Hillary out. Obama was never meant to win and I am sure that the Clintons know this and have known it all along.

    What is so offensive is that with all the problems this country has, the Dem’s have stopped all plausable means of fixing things.

  49. TROLL clean up on the last thread!

    It just makes me sick that those sexist pigs are never gonna be called out for what they did during the primaries. McCain complains so people get shuffled-Hillary and millions of her supporters complain and nada. KO and Tweety will just keep collecting their millions while our dreams are shattered. If anyone here ever watches MSNBC, I’m coming to your house and giving you a talking to! Sorry-that means no Morning Joe, either.

  50. Obama has caved on every issue.

  51. Is DK all 12 year old girls now?

  52. CWaltz, That BTD is such a dolt. They’ve certainly backed down their support of Obama but can’t they see that instead of Obama campaigning with Hillary, or Bill, for that matter, why not have Hillary campaign for …..Hillary. Oy, is right.

    At least he’s separated himself from Jeralyn, she’s getting scary…stupid.

  53. Yes! This is a devastating indictment of the Democratic Party. Must read.

    September 08, 2008

    A Feminist’s Argument for McCain’s VP
    By Tammy Bruce

    Tammy Bruce is the author of “The New American Revolution” (HarperCollins, 2005) and a Fox News political contributor. She is a former president of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization for Women. A registered Democrat her entire adult life until February, she now is registered as a decline-to-state voter.


    September 07, 2008 – 11:03:16 PM PDT

  54. PJ – Ditto!!!!

  55. Eh I am not worried about Hillary, she’s a tough cookie and I have no doubt that she will give them what for and set conditions if the precious expects her help. She’ll help the downtickets onto the lifeboats before putting her lifejacket on and give a jaunty wave to the AxelRoves and their ilk. As for this meeting with Bill, OMG I almost wish I could be there. I can imagine the groveling Camp Obama will have to do to get a retired politician who doesn’t particularly care for his tactics or the maligning of his legacy and his wife to stump for Obama convincingly. I wonder if Obama willtuck tail and offer the Clinton’s anything to save his sorry backside or he will be content to recognize they aren’t going to bail him out.

  56. BB, they believed that a black man would help them sell their wall street BS to the masses.

    The govt is now backing %50 of American Mortgages. Obama in the primary distanced himself from offering any help to consumers with the mortgage crisis. Hillary wanted a freeze on rates and foreclosures. Obama lamented that we couldn’t reward people for risky behavior. I think he even mention “moral hazard”, a favorite expression among Republicans. Now Obama says he backs the govt take over of FM/FM. It should be obvious to everyone who this guy is working for. He’ll bail out the corps. But for the average person? Nada.

  57. McCain = Oval Office
    Obama = Greek Temple

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  58. Gary-WTF? No, I didn’t see that. He is going to flip and pander on anything and everything. At least, we can feel less guilty about not voting for him since he continues to prove that we are right not to trust him.

  59. KendallJ,

    I would have gotten on board the unity train if their hadn’t been such flagrant disrespect for half the base. I mean geez their dinner theater wasn’t even convincing. You think they could do better than a B movie actress like Brazille.

  60. Joan,

    Why would the dems deliberately lose this race? It certainly looks like that was the plan but I can’t see the advantage. Because it was going to be a terrible 4 years and no matter who is president, they will be crushed by it?

    I thought I heard two stories, first the former IL Gov. Blogavich (sp) was to be the candidate but he became mired in scandal; second that Kaine (?) was supposed to be the candidate but his past caught up with him and he declined for “family” reasons. Do either of those sound familiar?

    I think they had someone else lined up and they had to switch to BO at the last minute.

  61. bostonboomer- I know exactly how you feel. I had to go through post Denver Traumatic Stress Syndrome myself. I had to stay off the blogs for a while. I have been going non stop for the last 1 1/2 years and I was on meltdown after Denver. I am starting to feel better now…and am going to concentrate on boycotting the sponsors of sexist media, oprah etc. I want to start a snail mail campaign and send PUMA Postcards, it will get our name out, and let them know we are many and we are real. I will also email, and phone call. We are the ones that can stop this via withholding our money for these product. I am trying to get any links, names of sponsors, phone numbers and email addys as I can. We can make a list and put it on the action center at pumapac ….What do you think?

  62. Tweety and pal have not exactly been sidelined since they will be allowed to be on the election coverage shows as commentators, as I understand it. This is ludicrous because they represent NBC. Get people who are regular commentators to present both sides (Pat Buchanan and Howard Ford for example)!

    We should all contact the heads of NBC news to complain. Also we should be writing to sponsors – en masse – whenever we hear sexist comments from these clowns. It was the sponsors who pressured NBC to dump Imus after his racist/sexist comment. Believe me this works. What company wants to be associated with misogyny?

  63. here’s the article from foxnews about Obama keeping the tax cuts:

    Democrat Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding President Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.

    I think someone mentioned last night that this confirms that Obama believes in “trickle down” economics. Guess he admires Reagan more than we knew.

  64. bmc-Wow! Great read. Thanks! That article needs to be spread far and wide.

  65. Elixir

    I think Obama was supposed to be our sides puppet all along. I think the Nancy Pelosis of the party were escatic because they figured they could control him. I think they lost sight of the fact that the Dem base is not as easily controlled.

  66. Everybody should read this article, it explains why feminists like me may vote for McCain/Palin


  67. The last thing Wall Street wanted was a reform minded Senator Clinton cleaning up wall street. She has the smarts to know the ins and outs and would also call them on their BS.

    Obama was bought and paid for and McCain doesn’t have the understanding and might be taken in with their Bull.

    If McCain gets in , I sure do hope that he listens to Senator Clinton on some of these issues. If he does, he can fashion himself after Teddy Roosevelt. If he doesn’t..look forward to Herbert Hoover.

  68. That Obama and the DNC will lose this year comes as no surprise. When you abandon your liberal roots and democracy in favor of sexism, misogyny, and elitism you become a caricature of your former self. What the Dems have found out this year is that Progressive is not the same as Liberal. Liberal includes democracy and equal rights for all, Progressive doesn’t. But in the end what really has brought down Obama and the Dems this year is their pettiness. If Obama and the DNC had chosen to respect Sen. Clinton and President Clinton, and offered her the VP spot (regardless of her accepting it) he would have won. Obama’s own character flaws doomed him to what will be a devastating loss he will not be able to recover from. Take note DNC pettiness is not a presidential trait.

  69. Elixir-That wasn’t me who thought they wanted to lose. I have thought they meant for Edwards to win but when they caught wind of his scandal, Obama was the beneficiary. Just my conspiracy thinking, though. I think they wanted to win but just refused to back Clinton.

  70. sorry, bmc you got here first.
    still its a great article!

  71. It is a great article, one of the best I’ve read lately. Read it, everyone!

  72. Patty Ann and Janice the meterologist both wearing irange on Fox this am.

  73. The chickens have come home to roost even before the 527s have kicked in….they done did it to themselves…

    This old hag took a day off yesterday and prepared 25 lbs of lovely NM green chile for the freezer!

    Take a break…and ENJOY!!!!

    (with a hat tip to my NJ pepper days and Lodi!)

    “Exhausted….from GREEN CHILE!”

  74. Apparently the way Chuck Todd from MSNBC sees it, Hillary “needs” to be seen standing next to Obama onstage in order to “convince” her female supporters of the “unity” message and this will only help him win the presidency.

    Excuse me, Todd, but Hillary could stand on her head with a neon sign in the background flashing, “I love Barack, he is The One” from now until November and nothing she says or does will ever convince me to vote for that vapid bag of fishbait. Don’t waste your time, energy or words on me. There is no turning back and if you are able to forgive what he did to you, I cannot because it also applied to me as well.

    Intimating that we women are such pushovers that just an appearance by Hillary Clinton will force us to take our thumbs out of our mouths, wipe away the tears, overlook the vote stealing, and come out in full force overstates her position as well.

    This voter is adamant. There is not a force available that will make me into an Obamabot.

  75. It’s rough seeing all these 70’s feminists putting the kabosh on their relevance for the Fraud …. but it makes me realize they haven’t been relevant for awhile. Because they haven’t actually fought battles for years . They are so worked up about Roe vs Wade? …well where were they when the Dems let’s Bush’s 2 SCOTUS picks freaking sail in?? And where were they when Hill was being savaged?? Did I miss their call to arms then ??

    They are not feminists or even what we would think of as Dems. They just play one on TV .

  76. Chuck Todd needs to lay off the kool aide. I guess I should not be surprised the media does not”get it” but I still am marveling at the stupidity of the media. how do they get so many clueless people in one field? Do they do lobotomies after you chose media journalism?

  77. The only “change” associated with Backtrack is the change in positions he offers every 24 hours. If this is to be the new brand of progressive leadership, I am not having any. Once again, thanks DNC. Seems the only ones commenting on his inconsistencies are those on various websites. His waffling is totally ignored by the MSM.

  78. prplvette85,

    That comment I posted was from an Obamabot at the Daily Cheeto. They are the ones who are scared and losing! I’m just fine. I’m going to enjoy watching Obama and the Bots go down in flames.

  79. prplvette85, at 9:17 am Said:

    I want to start a snail mail campaign and send PUMA Postcards, it will get our name out, and let them know we are many and we are real.


    The other advantage of postcards is that they can be read by others en route. The recipient may or may not take the message to heart, but the post office workers, secretaries, aides etc. will get the message.

  80. et tu CNN?

    NEW YORK (CNN) — Ten days ago, Sen. Joe Biden was the most brilliant vice presidential pick imaginable. He was going to add the experience and foreign policy credential that Sen. Barack Obama’s thin resume was missing….

    Then, after Sen. John McCain chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, people laughed and said Biden was going to wipe the floor with Palin in the vice presidential debate. Now, after her incredible convention speech, Biden is saying that he’s the underdog because he’s not a very good debater.

    If Obama had done the smart thing, he would have picked Sen. Hillary Clinton for vice president. If he had, he would have united his party for sure and energized his base.

    Well no shit sherlock….looks like Obama’s media pals are throwing him under the bus….

  81. Great post, riverdaughter.
    Never thought I’d identify with Pontius Pilate, but I wash my hands of this election.
    We all tried so hard to explain that Obama was not ready and that the Clintons are that rarest of specie-nearly extinct-living Democrats who can win! The modern Democratic Party owes its continued existence in spite of everything to Bill Clinton, and, now, Hillary.
    But we were met with arrogance, unspeakable insults and breathtaking lack of historical perspective from the Obots. Not to mention how much the fan base had internalized CDS, had no sense of respect or gratitude and lumped Bill in with Bush and Cheney as the “other, the enemy.”
    They’re on their own now and to quote Bob Dylan:

    Once upon a time you dressed so fine
    You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didnt you?
    Peopled call, say, beware doll, youre bound to fall
    You thought they were all kiddin you
    You used to laugh about
    Everybody that was hangin out
    Now you dont talk so loud
    Now you dont seem so proud
    About having to be scrounging for your next meal.

    How does it feel
    How does it feel
    To be without a home
    Like a complete unknown
    Like a rolling stone?

  82. Vote stealing is behind , but it’s also ahead . All the voter sigh ups Barry is having is the modern equivalent of reading names off tombstones . IMO ,Somehow those names will be fed into the system. I doubt Barry and co would be content with the votes actually cast from those they are registering .
    Trillions are at stake and there is nothing they will not do.

  83. I am free of them and this new Obama Dem party and it’s sham of a primary. I have reconciled myself that I can live with McCain/Palin for 4 years until we can get Hillary.If I survived 8 with the President we now have then Hell, this will be a piece of cake.

    I am liberated and oh God please let me see their fucking heads spin like Linda Blair’s. Am I bitter?Oh Hell yeah.

    McCain/Palin 2008
    Hillary 2012

    I am woman/puma
    Hear me roar
    Women Unite
    Come Together
    Yes We Will
    Rise Hillary Rise!!!!

  84. KO will be “interviewing” Obama tonight on is show at 8pm. The cookies and milk will be on display along with the pillow and blankie to add to the comfort level. As much as I despise O’Reilly he went after Mr. Softee rather agressively. KO, true to form, will be gushing and softballing it with an eye on the Obamabots and Kossacks who are the mainstay audience.

    I would expect nothing less than a stomach turning interview conducted by a stomach turning interviewer with a stomach turning guest. KO, BO, NO.

  85. Obama never met an issue he couldn’t change his mind on.

  86. The modern Democratic Party owes its continued existence in spite of everything to Bill Clinton, and, now, Hillary.

    This is so true — but the congressional Dems would do anything in order not to have to admit it.

  87. pat, somebody with a stronger stomach than I will have to watch and report back. the very thought makes me ill….

  88. The Obamabots are so stupid they have no idea when or why he changes his positions. Their entire focus is on an Obama win and no matter what is transpiring outside that bubble of illuison their cause goes on. These will be the first group effected should he attain the WH. When those scales begin to fall and they see what they have wrought, the howling will be heard far beyond the 57 states.

  89. SweetSue, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:50 am Said:

    We all tried so hard to explain that Obama was not ready and that the Clintons are that rarest of specie-nearly extinct-living Democrats who can win!

    lol!! Funny cause it’s true! The Clintons are the only elite Dems who believe winning is important!!…is the freaking point!

  90. gary: My stomach turning does not include watching it either. I am sure someone on the blog will report back. As for me, I can get all the stomach turning I want from sampling my own cooking.

  91. Pat Johnson, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:51 am Said: …….KO will be “interviewing” Obama tonight on is show at 8pm……

    I guess this is because the O’Reilly interview will be on as well, and they can’t have that be the only one out there .

  92. My son just called. His office is crawling with bomb-sniffing dogs and Secret Service Men.

    John McCain is in town today and his studio has a satellite feed (or whatever the word is) He’ll be there sometime this morning.

    (now back to catching up on the comments)

  93. Looks like there is to be a meeting between Pres. Clinton and Obama:

    (CNN) – Sen. Barack Obama and former president Bill Clinton will share a private lunch together on Thursday, September 11, CNN has confirmed.

    Clinton issued the invite to Obama after learning he would be in Manhattan for a joint appearance with Sen. John McCain on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to Clinton Foundation spokesman Matt McKenna.

    Oh to be a fly on the wall!

  94. Hmmmm, so Obama’s going to be on Olbermann at the same time as the O’Reilly interview part 2? Obviously trying to deflect from the roasting.

    I had a gut feeling last Friday that the tide had turned. I think it was Madamab that said “It’s all over but the shouting”

  95. If there are any Indiana and Chicago PUMAS out there, McCain is having a fundraiser at the HILTON tomight, might be good to get some PUMA signs out there front and center!!

  96. Pat,

    I hope Olberman makes sure Barack has a nice pillow to hold onto and a pacifier for the commercial breaks. I heard Axelrod on Morning Joe this morning, and the panic in his voice was palpable as he spouted his usual talking points. When are they going to come up with some new ones?

  97. Excuse me, Todd, but Hillary could stand on her head with a neon sign in the background flashing, “I love Barack, he is The One” from now until November and nothing she says or does will ever convince me to vote for that vapid bag of fishbait.

    LOL! Thanks Pat. Laughs in the morning.

  98. I hate being taken for granted. I hate it when a gift goes unacknowledged. I hate it when I am ignored. This is what the DNC failed to take into account. Result: PUMA.

  99. They didn’t just ignore Hillary’s supporters. The candidate himself openly dissed us — We were going to “have” to vote for him.

  100. Pat you keep forgetting that there are 58 states.

  101. bb: There are no new talking points. They have exhausted the ra*ce baiting claims, his overseas trip provided fodder for McCain to ridicule, his endless flip flopping on issues is old news, his embrace of Biden shot down the “change” theme, the “community organizer” merely highlights his own inexperience, his deer in the headlight appearances are leaving many people more than a little unsettled, his female surrogates are looking more and more ridiculous, the pro Obama blogs are beginning to look insane, their attacks on Palin’s inexperience only underscores his own.

    Where else can they go and what more can they do? Beating a dead horse never brought returned it to life.

  102. the oddsmakers are throwing in the towel for Obama too. as recently as 2 weeks ago they had him at close to 70% to win the White house. Not any more

    As of 9:30 Eastern Time on Monday morning, September 8, Rasmussen Markets data gave Obama a 50% chance of winning the White House while expectations for a McCain victory are at 49%

  103. RIGHT……all Obama had to do, was wait……….But……..Noooooooooo.

  104. Pat you keep forgetting that there are 58 states.

    I forgot. But I do know what city I am presently in which at least gives me a leg up.

  105. I still maintain that this race will be close. He could lose the popular but still manage to win the electoral. This is what keeps me up nights.

  106. The Audacity of NOPE!!!

    McCain ’08
    Hillary ’12

  107. I didnt’ watch part I of the O’Reilly/O’bama interview, how did it go? Did O’Reilly pummel him?

  108. They didn’t just ignore Hillary’s supporters. The candidate himself openly dissed us — We were going to “have” to vote for him.

    They dissed us repeatedly. Note to base: “Stay home.” Then Donna B. called us “cheaters” at the RBC meeting (as she simultaneously cheated…) Pelosi responded to the major Clinton fundraiser letter: “I don’t pay attention to that.” Hillary graciously invited her major fundraisers to meet with BO in June. Did he ask them about their concerns and listen? No–he told them to “get over it.” And on and on. I can’t even recall all of the insults at this point, but they are recorded in my cells.

    As much as I am enjoying the predicted descent of all things Obama, I am also experiencing waves of sadness. It is furiously unjust that Hillary will not be the one to break the glass ceiling and make history after her decades of service. It is depressing that the Dems are so stupid and selfish, and we will have to have another Republican president. At best, McCain will be a reformer. Hillary could have been revolutionary. Sad-making, all of it.

  109. paper doll, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:56 am Said:

    lol!! Funny cause it’s true! The Clintons are the only elite Dems who believe winning is important!!…is the freaking point!

    Right you are. I guess the Clintons and the PUMAs are the only people left who still believe in the Democratic Party and what it once stood for.
    I still believe in a place called Hope.

  110. I think the mortgage crisis also highlights his inexperience, and Biden does nothing to help him there.

    I can’t imagine either of them ever speaking convincingly about financial and economic matters.

  111. Elixer,

    He spanked him like a school boy! OReilly made him look weak and indecisive. Obama is done!!! The new star is palin. So much for celebrity polititions. They evaporate on the turn of a dime.

  112. O’Reilly bore into him, particularly about the surge. Obama did seem to manage to hold his own, but O’Reilly threw the red meat out there. Most interviewers had been far too deferential toward a candidate who has done so little for so few for so long.

  113. Fif, I also experience sadness/frustration/disbelief over this race. Take comfort in the fact that Palin may break the ceiling for VPs, but, Hillary will break the ceiling for President in 2012.

  114. SOD: I always need convincing. The thought of him in the WH is too awful to contemplate. Ughhhhh!

  115. Gracie7, at 9:53 am Said:

    Obama never met an issue he couldn’t change his mind on.


    Yes, he’s so all over the map – including 7 nonexistent states and a Great Lake in Oregon!

  116. I guess I’ll be watching part II of the interview tonight or the Red Sox beat the Devil Rays. Too bad that this didn’t happen 3 months ago.

    I certainly won’t be watching KO kiss his natural black ass.

  117. I still think that GE, Westinghouse, Disney and News Corp. did their job…knocked the corporate threat out of the race and will start “discovering” the “real” Obama in late September.

  118. Andrea didn’t even know the stupid Obama race card he again played this weekend. She asked Rick Davis why he was saying that about “Muslim …………….”

    These people need to be fired!

    Also, where was Joe and why did no one but Rick Davis bring up his name this morning?

    Is he getting ready to move to Matthews’ spot??????????

  119. SOD: I hear you. I still have my Hillary sticker affixed to my back bumper. For all of our bantering back and forth, there is still a bitter feeling of letdown mixed with a steady diet of depression. The DNC screwed us royally.

  120. Pat J said,”…a candidate who has done so little for so few for so long.”

    😀 😀 😀

  121. One last thought on the Grand Disappointment: racism. When Obama loses, it will be confirmation for many African Americans that this country is indeed racist. Their dream of seeing an African American president will be crushed. Of course, it isn’t about race at all–except as Obama has used it to reverse progress, but many people will not understand or see it that way. He could have been the first AA president if he just had some humility and got more experience, earning it. Instead, as someone mentioned above, his own character flaws will be his defeat, taking down the dreams of good people with him.

  122. Do you think Fox News is loving this story? They have tweety and obamaman splashed on their front page with the caption “DROP ANCHOR”

    Keith Olbermann may be the “voice” of MSNBC, but network executives have decided to yank the talkmeister off its politican anchor desk after the cable channel finishing dead last in the Nielsen rankings of all news coverage during the two weeks of political conventions.

    The network announced Monday that Olbermann and Chris Matthews have both been booted as co-hosts on political night coverage in favor of David Gregory, whose White House press corps experience may make him better suited to deliver sober and less opinion-driven assessments of the news.

  123. Pat,

    Can we get a bumper sticker with that slogan?

    OBAMA: A candidate who had done so little for so few for so long.

    I love it!

  124. I tuned into Morning Joe, because like Carol, I need a dose of Joe sticking it to the Obamabots. Willie said that Joe had a day off and this is why he was filling in. And speaking of ridding that network of nitwits, please consider Mika. Talk about an empty suit sitting there! She adds absolutely nothing but Obama speak while the only one I care to listen to is Pat Buchanan who offers contrast at least.

  125. I still think that GE, Westinghouse, Disney and News Corp. did their job…knocked the corporate threat out of the race and will start “discovering” the “real” Obama in late September.

    GE = CNN
    Disney = ABC
    News Corp. = Fox
    Westinghouse = ???

    Is there a link to a site that details corporate media holdings?

  126. “I still believe in a place called Hope.”

    I did a detour through Hope a few weeks ago…There are 22,000 FEMA mobile homes rotting in the mud there…A symbol of the rot of the Bush Administration…I hope Pres. McCain wants to make his mark in American History and throws the corruption of both parties under the bus.

  127. Specter is not going to last.

  128. SOD: I believe the crap about tweety running for the senate is his cover story for leaving MSNBC, he must have seen the boot rapidly approaching his ass. He can now say that he had planned this all along…RIIIGHT!!! like he has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning a senate seat.

  129. The network announced Monday that Olbermann and Chris Matthews have both been booted as co-hosts on political night coverage in favor of David Gregory, whose White House press corps experience may make him better suited to deliver sober and less opinion-driven assessments of the news.

    Gary, it sounds like they are only yanking them for specific political even nights–is that correct? Will they still have their nightly broadcasts?

  130. Tweetie could be running unopposed in PA and still be defeated. The women voters down there will more than like respond. But the minute I see Ed standing side by side with Tweetie in “support”, Carol, or anybody else for that matter, can have him. I too have boundaries and that one would be breeched big time.

  131. Thanks SOD! Love the smart Conflucians!

  132. Westinghouse=CBS. Google or wiki will do.

  133. Bob Beckel is a heart attack waiting to happen. He has to go also.

  134. I, too was in a fog after returning from the D convention. But Sarah Palin was like a parting of the clouds. This is me dancing:

    >>>>>>> ME<<<<<<<<

    On the other hand: I know how polls go up and down, so I will take the latest with measured enthusiasm.

    And my message to Obama is;

    Dear Senator Obama:

    I was enthusiastically impressed with you when I heard you at the 2004 Democratic convention. I thought to myself that one day you might be president. Obviously you thought so too.

    My problem is that you let your overwhelming desire to be the first black President overide your good sense. You became more obsessed with your personal potential legacy than with the good of this country.

    Now, I know that everyone who runs for President must have an ego. However, in your case, you allowed your ego to actually destroy friends and enemies alike.

    Instead of being the ideal President to heal racial division, the county is now more racially divided than in decades. Instead of embracing the cause of women, which was the most significant group of your base, you went out of your way to demean and disparage them. You also helped set back feminists by decades.

    Because of this, we now have historic Democrats flocking to the GOP.

    Senator, you could have had it all. All you had to do was have a little patience. Had you “allowed” Hillary to become President, and thus attain the position she deserves, you could have had the VP slot which would have positioned you perfectly for the Presidential run in 2016. We would then have had the first woman and the first AA Presidents in our history. A monumentous milestone. Not to mention 16 years of Democratic rule.
    But you couldn’t wait. And all of America will be suffering the consequences.

    Well, Senator, the tide is turning. In words you can understand: The chickens are coming home to roost.

    And the cluck stops here.

  135. Tweetie giving a speech and spraying the entire front row with spit is something I wish never to see! The audience will have to suit up each time like they were attending a Gallagher concert.

  136. fif, they’ve only been booted from election coverage, but that is their meat and gravy. they are not being fired, but rather neutered. I doubt that either of their egoes, (especially oman) will be able to handle that. Apparently KO has a 4 year multi million dollar contract, and he is their biggest ratings draw. That said he’s a complete embarrassment to the real journalists at NBC–sounds like they want to muzzle the Obama Kool Aid crowd at MSNBC

  137. I already have him. You didn’t see him on the trail with BO this week did you????????

    And Piper is a little jabber mouth. I cannot get a word in edgewise. But, I am keeping her. She is precious.

  138. An excerpt from an interesting NY Times article

    Many high-powered parents separate work and children; Ms. Palin takes a wholly different approach. “She’s the mom and the governor, and they’re not separate,” Ms. Cole said. Around the governor’s offices, it was not uncommon to get on the elevator and discover Piper, smothering her puppy with kisses.

    “She’ll be with Piper or Trig, then she’s got a press conference or negotiations about the natural gas pipeline or a bill to sign, and it’s all business,” Ms. Burney, who works across the hall, said. “She just says, ‘Mommy’s got to do this press conference.’ ”

    Ms. Palin installed a travel crib in her Anchorage office and a baby swing in her Juneau one. For much of the summer, she carried Trig in a sling as she signed bills and sat through hearings, even nursing him unseen during conference calls.

  139. They are still on just not anchoring elections.

  140. SOD: We all take it personally. I am numb right now. Different stages of grief and all. After the initial crying, I turned it toward anger and defeating Obama, and now numbness. But the shock and grief are still there. It’s incomprehensible. My only hope is that she will have another shot.

  141. state,
    Tweety running for senate is just a cover so he can save face when he is fired from MSNBC. Everyone will say that he is running for senate and he must resign over the confict of interest, and then we he’ll go quietly away. No one is going to back Matthews for senate, especially after Frankken loses to Coleman in a landslide. TV personalities will be blacklisted from running.

  142. Tweety has been rumored to be considering a senate run for as long as I can remember.

  143. Apparently KO has a 4 year multi million dollar contract, and he is their biggest ratings draw.

    But they are at the bottom of the ratings, correct? So, that’s not saying much.

  144. And the cluck stops here.

    lol! Good letter.

  145. Carol: Must be getting rather crowded in that house about now.
    You, Ed, Piper, toys, manacles, Christmas tree(s). And how much jabbering can one stand after awhile? Ed has an opinion on everything, including toothpaste, and Piper never quite shuts up either. Just getting a word in edgewise must take up most of your time.

  146. fif, yeah, MSNBC’s coverage of the conventions was dead last. guess the bottom line had something to do with it too…

  147. Can we get a bumper sticker with that slogan?

    OBAMA: A candidate who had done so little for so few for so long.

    I love it!

    Me, too! I want one!

  148. If I heard it once, I heard it 100 times, from the MSM that this election is about the Clinton era ending and a new beginning blah blah blah. It is amazing, ironic, funny whatever that Obama can’t do anything without the Clintons. It is Bill and Hillary that have propped up this party at every stage.

    I really think that Hillary’s career is better off without an Obama administration. So If I were Bill, I would tell Obama the truth. Its too late pal.

  149. mlhath, on September 8th, 2008 at 10:40 am Said:

    Great letter! I love “and the cluck stops here.” Hahahaha!

  150. brittgirls @ 10:43

    Someone tell me again how an example like this in Washington would not be GOOD for women?

  151. Off to work. G’day all.

  152. I just went to intrade and the turnabout is incredible. Last week it was 61% Obama to 37% McCain. This morning it is 51.1% Obama to 47.9% McCain. PUMAs have been sooo right all along. PJ, I still have my Hillary stickers on the front and back bumpers of my car. You can see me coming and going!!! They will be there until the Hillary 2012 stickers come out.

  153. I am just waiting for another “open letter” to us from some bimbo who cannot tell the difference between a primary or a caucus but knows how to “appeal” to her sisters in arms.

    Erica Jong was an expert in dry humping and Patti Davis was outstanding for posing nude. Can’t wait for the next icon to explain to me what being a “feminist” is all about. Got a feeling it might be Rosie O’Donnell.

  154. I just heard that the NYPost just endorsed McCain. Anybody got a link?

  155. nypost.com

  156. I do feel a satisfaction and justification for supporting Hillary Clinton when I see today’s poll results, but there are still more or less 50 more days until the election. In those next critical days Axlerod and his team will be mobilizing all their forces to get Obama elected as the next POTUS. Behind Obama will be the liberal media. Listen to your public radio and read the NYT’s you’ll see/hear for yourselves. I’m trying to be an “informed” voter but the blatant bias of the media doesn’t make it easy. (Don’t get me started on the media)
    Team Obama will be concentrating on the battleground states. They have millions of dollars and thousands of people out there. We don’t know what shenanigans they will be up to. (Anyone care for an ACORN?)
    According to the electoral map on RealClearPolitics.com Obama is ahead in Electoral votes with 217 to McCain’s 174. Remember that it’s not the number of Popular votes it’s the number of Electoral votes that determine the winner.
    The battle for our gal is over but the battle between Obama/McCain has just begun.

  157. Erica Jong, the expert in dry-humping, has decided in her HuffPo article that Palin is “white trash”.

    She actually used that phrase.

    I have said forever that the CDS so rampant on the left was as much classism as sexism, and in Palin’s case, I am being proved right.

    The ugly truth is, many on the left have a lot of deep-seated revulsion and scorn for people unlike them in socio-economic status.

  158. Excellent!

  159. Riverdaughter, another great rumination and this caught my eye:
    ” I sometimes wonder which torture was more painful and humiliating for him. The Hanoi Hilton or being broken by the Bushies while they trashed the tattered remnants of his own party?”

    I do think that the Republicans and Bush of 2000 did to McCain what the Democrats of 2008 did to Hillary. McCain had to strategize and stick to that strategy while maintaing some modicum of his trademark “maverick-ness”. I do believe he knows the identity of the “big boys” he is up against; the same way that Hillary is. The same ones who had to make sure that Hillary does not get the chance to do what she said she would do–economically. I am quietly hoping that McCain would adopt her economic and healthcare proposals when he gets to the Whitehouse. I think that a Pres. McCain who does not care about re-election, might just put country first.

  160. I am enjoying this right here right now ….. after everything we have been thru .. to finally see the looks on the faces of the snarky supercilious and now shocked obots to possibly realise … WOW women have a voice …. isnt it amazing?? Sarah Palin has FIVE planets in Aquarius FIVE … look up Aquarius they are humanitarians and they hate injustice .
    I DO NOT agree with many of her poiicies , and I am one of those women who fought with the simulated bloody hangers and marched on Washington and almost lost a friend to an illegal abortion way back when. CHOICE ALWAYS MEANT CHOICE not abortion ….
    I am off on a weekday for a change so i am watching some shows i never get to see .. I just watched m.o. on Ellen … doing her dance decrying how the press was treating Governor Palin and her family and then within a heartbeat of that statement ; making the very most subtle sly criticism of Palin by saying she was done having children Why even bring it up?? I have a feeling the show was taped post Palins announcement and pre her speech and poll changes …. Do they really think we are that stupid ??? CHOICE ALWAYS MEANT CHOICE .
    Choice also means we choose for whom to vote .. and for whom we do not .

  161. I disagree that the media was secretly supporting the Republicans. Most Republicans including those running for office, were resigned to losing this election. They were certain that between a woman and an African American they did not stand a chance.

    The Democrats should look in the mirror: thuggery and intimidation at caucuses, gerrymandering, lies, consistent flip-flopping, atacking their own…A house divided cannot stand. Had they really though about the good of the nation, and of the party they would have run the primaries in a clean and respectful manner (show up the Reps) and allowed the people to pick the candidate. If it was Hillary, so be it. She could have picked Obama as her VP. Unfortunately Senator Obama sees only himself. The comment he made recently about not coming in second was very telling for me. He has cut off his nose in spite of himself and taken the party and the nation down with him.

    In an interview in June Ghaddafi of Lybia advised Obama to tell as many lies as necessesary to win. He advised Obama that afterwords, when people call him on the carpet about promises made and not kept, he should simply say that these were election promises. This is the problem. Obama is flip-flopping so much that one questions whether he can be trusted. With no real record to speak of, do I want him in the Oval Office – with a dem house and senate? No way.

    With McCain and Palin, we know what we’re getting. With Hillary we knew what we were getting. The records are there and speak for themselves.

    When I applied for a job in management – hundreds of interviews, the most important and consistent question regarded what kind of record I had.

    I will not vote for anyone based on their race, creed, sex, because its expedient, or the right thing to do or whatever.
    I will vote for the person I can trust to keep their word and to do what is right. Voters can only judge this by looking at someone’s record.

  162. For much of the summer, she carried Trig in a sling as she signed bills and sat through hearings, even nursing him unseen during conference calls.

    OMG. How awesome. Seriously. As a mom who bf’d and had to pump at work, how I wish more women bosses would normalize this. I think I’m in love with Palin’s work style.

    (Still hate her GOP policies, but she sounds more and more like an amazing woman)

  163. Take a look at the photo in Colorado Springs on Puma Pac. It is incredible.

    Go John and Sarah.

  164. BTW – when I applied to be an election judge I got a call from a democrat. She asked me if I would support Obama. First, I don’t know what that has to do with being an election judge, and second I am a democrat first not an Obamacrat.

    I asked how she knew that I was a democrat and she said it was on the record (Illinois does not require registering with a party so I’m not sure what “record”). I told her that I was a Hillary supporter and would remain so at which point she said she was sorry about that.

    As I began to tell her why, she brushed me off. If the Dems don’t listen to their base, don’t respect it, don’t acknowledge that you cannot railroad citizens and expect them to like it and take it they will not only lose this election but others to come.

  165. Mawm, on September 8th, 2008 at 8:00 am Said:
    I believe MSNBC will still push Obama. I think the two reasons they are getting rid of Matthews and Olberman from the anchor spots is that several polls have shown that most people are on to their shilling, and at the same time they still come in last place in the ratings. I think they believe if they change out Matthews and Olbermann they can convince people that it was just the two of them being biased not the whole network.
    MSNBC has chosen for the last couple years to be anti-bush and pro-Obama. It isn’t going to change up two months before the election. They have too much riding on Obama. It’s just they know they F’d up, and they see it is actually hurting their candidate. I don’t think there is much they can do about it really. The damage is done.


    I absolutely agree with this. I don’t think the corporate MSM will ever really turn on BO — even when they don’t openly shill for Jr, they “frame” every opponent to his advantage. It’s been a long time since I was able to listen to NPR news, for example (though it was ceasing to thrill me for some time).

    When all the books are written about this election, I think a lot of people will look to blatant media bias as a source of disaffection with the Democratic party antics and Jr himself. That was definitely a significant factor to me — if the big money media hadn’t pushed and pushed and pushed until there was inevitable pushback, this election season might have looked at least a little different. The job they did burning HRC at the stake and choosing the nominee will be remembered by more than a few people, I think.

  166. I think we need to get out a militia to start “scrubbing” the voter registration roles in the swing states. That is how BO intends to win.

  167. votermom

    Even if McCain/Palin do nothing at all for working mothers … STILL the visual of a working mom will be powerful. Change comes from the top.

    I used to work at a company that had a daycare in the office. But that on-site daycare only happened when the higher ups in the company all got preggers. Ultimately everyone else benefited.

  168. garychapelhill, on September 8th, 2008 at 9:49 am Said:
    et tu CNN?

    Then, after Sen. John McCain chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, people laughed and said Biden was going to wipe the floor with Palin in the vice presidential debate. Now, after her incredible convention speech, Biden is saying that he’s the underdog because he’s not a very good debater.


    Okay, that is hilarious. Yet not hilarious and pathetic…

  169. Do you guys think O’Reilly will have a “Special Comment” on the implosion of MessNBC? That would be funny.

  170. votermom, me too. I can greatly admire her as a woman and working mom, and still fight her on policy if need be. The two are not mutually exclusive.

  171. You have to give it to MessNBC though, they are airing a same sex wedding this evening — BZero is going to be on Keith Obamanation this evening.

  172. I remember looking forward to the Kerry/Bush debate in in ’04 because I couldn’t wait for Kerry to CRUSH Bush like a grape.

    Never happened … Bush smirked his way through the debate and Kerry just came across as such a waffling, old bore.

    I am feeling very sorry for Joe Biden. He only had 36 hours or so of being on top of the world at the DNC convention before McCain picked Palin, right?

    It’s all over but the shoutin’

  173. R.D.

    “But *why* are they being sidelined? What possible harm could they do now? Exactly. Their job is done. They took out Hillary Clinton.”

    There job is done indeed. Now, let’s all wait for them to be labeled Republican Operatives as so many of us have been so described. They make me sick. I wish I could revel in their demotion, but like so many other things about this process, it makes me feel mad, ashamed, and dirty. Emotions heretofore only Republicans have engendered.

    Oh yes, it’s a new day in my household.

  174. Tweety is probably truly mortified….I do not agree with him much of the time, but he does love politics. Everyone can do a better job if they are in the right place….but I do believe it will be hard for Tweety and KO to “curb their enthusiasm”. And I thought KO was supposed to be the one everyone was afraid of over at MSNBC….guess not…:)~

    AND….isn’t it ironic obama needs The Clintons….we told him so….The Clintons need to learn to “Just Say No”

  175. Honestly, as an atheist, I don’t give a sh*t what religion Obama follows. Also, haven’t looked into all his dubious acquaintances.

    Rigging the caucuses, smearing the Clinton’s (and anyone who didn’t vote for him) as r@cists, his disdain for women, LGBTs, older voters, etc.), his complete lack of relevant experience … I could go on all day. But those are MORE than enough reasons for me to vote for McCain. I made up my mind to do it long before Palin came on the scene. As I recall, I made up my mind right after that rules & bylaws meeting.


  176. I continue to try to convince myself that the idea of the top 0.1% was to elect a Republican, and now they will embrace McCain.

    Last night I stumbled, in waiting for Mad Men to start, on the middle of a special on CNN “Obama Revealed,” and from what I could see this was an all-out attempt by this channel of the MSM to “explain” every single negative about BO and ease any voters doubt that he is, indeed, the change manna from Heaven, the second coming of the Christ, Buddha reincarnated, and God himself just shaking off his earthly delights (lying, cheating, posing, pretending, bullying, etc.) until He takes His rightful position to lead us to whatever He has planned for those people, just us.

    I was not happy.

    BTW, I was glad when I saw McCain’s speech last week, but the only former President that I wish he would have also revealed as one of his faves is FDR. Granted, FDR was a Democrat, but he was the one who successfully changed the country, and his party, when the world, and the USA, was in much the same state as it is now. Maybe he just couldn’t reveal too much?

    Obama, IMO, would be continuing the Reagan-Bush-Bush plan to destroy everything FDR built, as he, Obama, has already successfully already destroyed the Democratic party.

  177. Pale Lion – This seems like a lot of fearmongering to me. I can’t read Obama’s mind, but I can object to his actions, which are not worthy of the Democratic Party I used to know and love.

    Just his stealing delegates from Hillary was enough to make me go PUMA. No need to speculate about his secret Manchurian Islamic agenda.

  178. I still don’t buy into the theory that the Repugs went to work to ensure an Obama nomination just to reelect another Repug in November.

    I believe the DNC held the cards right from the beginning. They pre selected Obama on the premise of ridding the party of the Clintons, but also under the heading of placing the first black candidate before the public as a symbol of “look at how liberal we are and how far we have come”. I think they honestly believed that the country would accept whomever they chose because of the nation’s complete dissatisfaction with Bush and the Repug’s as a whole.

    They miscalculated since the opposition of having a candidate virtually forced down our throats, and whose background and associates were suspect, turned a segment of the base looking elsewhere. The first indications were when Donna B announced they did not need us, when they felt they had galvanized the majority of the AAs along with the 20 somethings, when they told us we had “nowhere else to go” in the end, and when they felt no compunction about “ginning” the system in favor of one candidate in full public view.

    This is all the handiwork of the DNC and not a nefarious plot by the Repugs, who were not all that enchanted with their own candidate when he won the nod. The DNC bit off more than it could chew and the so called “easy march to victory” has simply run out of steam. They honestly believed they could use the “white guilt” meme to wedge us in place. They did not see Sarah Palin coming. They chose to overlook the sexism effect in place of the racial component and counted on the “unity” proposition without consideration that there are many pissed off voters whose numbers are climbing.

    This is a DNC calamity and it needs to be placed squarely at their feet and nowhere else.

  179. Last thing. I can’t remember whether I’ve posted about this this morning or not. Houston, TX Pumas, if you wanna see Hillary when she’s in town for Sheila Jackson-Lee on September 21st, please RSVP but let them know that you need them to lower the minimum price of admission, or set a lower level. Because I really wanna go but I am lowly city college student not made out of money, it would really help if some “poor” folks showed an interest.

    I’m begging.

  180. madamab I agree. I don’t think Obama is clever enough to be some kind of secret double agent muslim manchurian candidate. That kind of conspiracy mongering only distracts from the very real deplorable things Obama has done, such as stealing and threatening delegates, suppressing voter participation, and uncontrolled sexism. If I didn’t know any better I’d say those types of claims are coming from trolls trying to discredit us and distract from the real issues. they’ve proven they’re capable of just about anything with the smears against Hillary and now Palin.

  181. re:regency–when did politicians start charging admission to rallies?

  182. GCH: It’s a fundraiser, not a rally.

  183. ahh! sorry reg, my mistake.

  184. no prob. I’m not gonna lie. I really wanna see Hillary up close. I’m willing to spend some money to do it, I’m just not particularly rolling in it right now.

  185. k, must dash.

  186. have you all seen the picture of Matthews on the front page of foxnews.com ???? he looks like the walking dead LOL. check it out.


  187. Has anyone read this Opinion by Judith Warner for NYT titled “Domestic Disturbances:The Mirrored Ceiling”


  188. Must See Website:



    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  189. My hubby is beginning to wonder if Steinem and Jong are not playing long-term chess – going so over the top deliberately in order to fuel the outrage and put McCain/Palin in, stop Obama, and set up Hill for 2012 – all with complete deniability, because they can say they vigorously supported the Dem candidate.

  190. Gary,

    The age spots and the limp dyed hair. Matthews needs botox and a facial peel. Olberman’s photo is old. He’s a lot fatter than that now.

  191. garychapelhill: yaki as my little one says . I saw O’Riely without make or with bad lighting at the DNC convention – he looked bad also.

  192. Beauty is as beauty does.

  193. Gary – “If you didn’t know better?” LOL

    It’s funny how transparent some of these folks are.


  194. and now the task at hand is shaping up Palin on Dem womens progressive stance — she needs to learn — rip the jugular out of what is left of our old party — give the ol’ one two to that toothy imbecile who is more o’ the same — I think he is all about big pharma RD–just like O— they don’t care that they have created things like this, and now it shall be EXPOSED. EXPOSED! For all the world to SEE!

    this is so sad it breaks my heart — it’s the EMOS — up to age 28–behind that logo– all those poor little psyches BIG PHARMA did this to:


    Oh RD. If you knew how I feel about this, as therapist.
    Last night in Trader Joes I asked a clerk about the EMOs. He said, yeah he was one –once.

    These are the kids that need the MOST HELP.
    These are the kids big pharma dosed, daily.

    Let’s see if O & Biden are part of this…….

  195. BTW – I can’t stand Geraldo Rivera, but he said on TV yesterday that he himself has FIVE kids, and often goes on assignment for weeks at a time to places like Iraq. He said no one has EVER asked him in the workplace, not once, who was caring for his kids. He was quite indignant.

  196. BB – Just catching up, saw this:

    Gary: “On another topic, did anybody see that Obama has said he will now not rollback Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy? Jeeeeesus, we might as well just let GW stay in office if he wins….”

    I am so completely unsurprised by this. I mean, when has Obama EVER stood up for any Democratic principle?

    I guess it doesn’t matter, since it’s clear Obama will never be President.


  197. Hillary September 7

    Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Regarding the Federal Intervention into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

    WASHINGTON, DC—”This is an extraordinary and unprecedented move by the federal government but as the Bush Administration has only recently begun to grasp the scope of the housing crisis and its effect on the rest of our economy, it appears that this may be necessary to avert an even deeper disruption not only to our housing market, but to our economic well-being as a nation. As we learn more details about the plans to assume control over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, I will be vigilant to ensure that it is implemented in a way that represents the priorities of the taxpayers, working homeowners and our continued efforts to stabilize an economic recovery.”


  198. vbonnaire…did you ever see the MadTV skit about tickle me Emo??? it is hilarious…check it out here:

  199. Hillary was warning about the economic/financial situation throughout the primaries.

  200. RD–Chimera at 7:39 said you should put your posts in a book. I agree and think it would sell–I would certainly buy it. I do think that no matter what, the DNC and Brazile will try to blame a loss on us and Hillary and it would be nice to have something else out there available for people to see the real reason.

    Have been off a few days myself-had to retrieve daughter from Gainesville after busting her knee. Grown children are always ‘our children.’ Strange how much more I identify with my mother as the years progress.

  201. Found a couple comments on another forum and wanted to share them:

    1. Everything exactly as predicted: Obama’s supporters are beating him.

    All McCain has to do is keep telling the voters that he hears them, understands what they need and is willing to fight in Washington to get it done. The Obama supporters will continue to wallow in the Great Get Evens of race, gender and age, and in so doing, the Obama campaign comes off as thugs.

    What Palin introduced was not hot body politics. Obama did that. She introduced the image of courage, of a woman strong enough to fight and smart enough to win.

    People like Palin. That’s hard to overcome. Obama’s supporters have been scaring people. That’s hard to forget.

    This has always been the critical weakness of Axelrod/Plouffe’s strategy: it is based on emotional vectoring, using symbolism to push the electorate toward their candidate while pulling them away from the other candidate. They forget or do not know how rock star media is made and destroyed in a single turn of the wheel. Sic transit gloria, or in English, fame is fleeting.

    Meanwhile, the engine of exchange between the US and China, the mortage bond industry, is melting before our eyes while our pundit celebrities are enraged on TV because their choice is not respected.

    When the journalist becomes the star, something bad has happened, but it is self-correcting because they are subject to the same cycle of new-different-young and don’t be wrong at the right time or right at the wrong time.

    This election has outed the hoax of the celebrity politician as natural leader.

    2. Hillary has to enjoy Obama’s desperation over the past four days.

    -he went on O’Reilly

    -he admitted the surge worked

    -Biden said life begins at conception

    -Obama says he won’t change Bush tax cuts
    -Obama admits “above my paygrade” was a flip response

    Pure panicked desperation.

    3. Nothing gives me more joy than to see MSNBC Obberman(whatever) and disgusting Chris Matthews taken off the political TV commentator spots. Yea! for People Power.
    Now let’s take down that human waste take too much space on Earth Ophra.

    Hillary don’t do Obama’s dirty work for him. Don’t stoop down to that racist, sexist unAmerican trash. We look up to you and you are what we need running the Senate, not that know-nothing barbie Palosi.

    Vote McCain/Palin/Hillary. Honor and Country. Viva PUMA

    MCaina and Palin: Wheaties and oatmea, breakfast of champions for America.

    Obama: Rice Krispies



    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  202. Trippi is now trying to soothe the bots about the tanking polls by trotting out the cell-phones theory.

    The “not including cell phone users skew the polls against Obama” thing is so tired. Myself and my 2 sisters are all over 45. NONE of us has a land line, and haven’t for several years. My 76 year old mother-in-law texts me constantly.

    These idiots think youth are the only ones with cellphones. These juvenile delinquent think they invented to world. Puhleeeze.

  203. Hillary September 5

    Senator Clinton Announces Over $400,000 to Help Homeless and At-Risk Youth

    WASHINGTON, DC—Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today announced $424,815 in U.S. Department of Justice funding for the Coalition for the Homeless in New York City. The funding will provide for sessions at Camp Homeward Bound for homeless and at-risk youth as well as evaluations during and after the sessions on the effects of specific educational and recreational activities.

    “This investment is going to provide some of our most vulnerable youth with opportunities and resources to help them build successful lives. At the same time, thanks to this funding the Coalition for the Homeless will be better able to determine what works best inside and outside the classroom to put at-risk youth on the right track,” said Senator Clinton.

  204. WMCB, you’re right, everyone of every age has a cell phone. But that is irrelevant anyway. When they do polls, they have a set % they need to reach in each demographic (age group, gender, etc). If it were true, they would just have to burn through more sample to get to the youth who do answer land lines, so the argument is misleading and irrelevant. I think it may also be untrue. I have heard of several people getting pollsters on their cell phones.

  205. In the immortal words of Janet Jackson:

    “obama, what have you done for me lately?”

  206. DownTicket. Thank you. We can help Hillary’s 2012 bid but letting people know on a regular basis the work she is doing.

  207. Hillary september 3rd

    Schumer and Clinton Assail Administration Plan to Slash Support for Health Clinics

    Proposed Rule Could Endanger More Than 400,000 New Yorkers Who Rely on Clinics for Essential Services

    WASHINGTON, DC – Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton today assailed regulations proposed by the Bush Administration that would sharply cut support to freestanding health clinics across New York and the nation. In a letter to President Bush, the senators expressed strong concern that the proposed rule, which reduces federal reimbursements to clinics, would severely endanger a wide range of health care providers, such as school-based health centers, adult day health centers, family planning clinics, and substance abuse counseling and mental health clinics. More than 400,000 New Yorkers, many of whom are members of low-income families, rely on these clinics, and the senators warned that these patients could see their access to essential health care services dramatically restricted if the proposed rule is implemented.

    “Earlier this year, we stood up to President Bush when he made a misguided attempt to undermine Medicare, and today we are again fighting against this Administration’s ideological assault on health care for our most at-risk Americans. This rule would have a devastating effect on clinics across New York that serve low-income families, children, persons with disabilities, and many, many others. I urge the President to abandon this reckless course immediately,” Senator Clinton said.


  208. Gary – Yes, it is untrue. The pollsters used to ignore cell phones, but they do not do so any longer.

    New Pew Data on Cell Phones

    Quelle surprise, including them does not make a huge difference in the results.

  209. The theory doesn’t hold water too when you remember that Obama always did better in the polls than he actually did in the elections.

  210. WMCB, on September 8th, 2008 at 11:06 am Said:

    Erica Jong, the expert in dry-humping, has decided in her HuffPo article that Palin is “white trash”.

    She actually used that phrase.

    I have said forever that the CDS so rampant on the left was as much classism as sexism, and in Palin’s case, I am being proved right.

    The ugly truth is, many on the left have a lot of deep-seated revulsion and scorn for people unlike them in socio-economic status.


    Yeah, I’ve really been schooled on the interesection of class with race and gender in this election season.

    More and more, I realize that many women who call themselves feminists don’t speak for me. It’s not because they’re the bad names feminists are called (though some of these women don’t even call themselves feminists and claim to be all post- this and that). It’s because they don’t care about women unlike themselves. Women need to have a specific lifestyle to deserve their notice.

    A “progressive” calling Palin white trash; “progressives” at HuffPost publishing that Palin is white trash. That’s where we are.

  211. If McCain is up by 10 in the polls, he is actually up by 15

  212. Sarah’s on.

    She cut her salary.

    She sold the jet.

    She got rid of the Chef.

    She put the CheckBook online for the people of Alaska to see where everywhere dime is spent.

    McCain/Palin 2009

  213. Mawm – LOL! So true.

    Remember how Obama was going to win California by 20 points? And New Hampshire too?

    Oy vey is mir. We’re surrounded by experts in losing Presidential elections.

  214. Checking in with a different “base” — since I live in an area that went
    mostly for Hillary but is near a few Obot strongholds and is in one of the
    most liberal parts of the country, I sent email to a friend who lives in what I consider “real America” — born and bred there. I asked for her opinion on Sarah. Here’s her response. Chalk another one up to karma!

    I love Sarah Palin. She is the “real deal” as far as I am concerned. I love the fact that McCain decided on her knowing about her daughter and the investigation currently going on. I admire a person who fires someone for blatant insubordination.

    My sister-in-law just got back from a trip to Alaska on which she met one of SP’s best friends at the fair.
    Of course, X asked this friend if Palin was truly as “good as she seems”. The friend replied, that Palin is exactly what you see. She is honest, forthriright and has nothing to hide.

    McCain does not have the savvy that Obama has when delivering speeches. But his actions speak so much louder than words.

  215. What is a rule? I tried google but didn’t get relevant responses. What is a Bush proposed rule? He can’t do this without Congress can he?

  216. They like to call the Clintons white trash, too.

  217. Carol – No way!

    She put the CheckBook online for the people of Alaska to see where everywhere dime is spent.

    Obama’s checkbook:

    $200,000 – Re-elect Nancy Pelosi
    $400,000 – Pay off Rezko to leave his name out of testimony
    $100,000 – Michelle haircuts, new Jackie O personal stylist, giant fake pearls

    Etc. etc. etc…..

  218. alice, more examples of smart people thinking they are smater than they are. When you really think you are smarter than someone else and that person holds an opinion that you disagree with, it is easy to think that the person is wrong because they are not smart enough to understand.
    Most of time, however, these people are over estimating their cognitive abilities, and do not take into account their lack of total information about a subject. The continued superiority turns a lot of people off, because no one wants to be talked down to, therefore these people tend to clump together with like minded people who will further the illusion that everyone not in the group is stupid. Thus is elitism born.

  219. Damn pumas,bubbas, and those people are starting to be heard.
    That wasn’t supposed to happen. They were supposed to fall in line and get over it.
    One party was paying attention and it was not the democratic party.
    The faux new democratic party forgot
    We the people will remind them in November.

    Can I borrow Piper for a little while?
    My girls are all grown up now.



  220. The rule interprets legislation, how to enforce it.

  221. Its amazing. Here Obama is hailed as the great uniter who will bring Republicans and Democrats together and usher in a new way of doing business. Instead he insults everyone and divides the party in half.

    McCain, in the Congress forever, fires up his base and pulls in Democrats by nominating a women for VP. Way to go McCain.

  222. NH – A novel idea: Get votes by giving voters what they want. Not just words, but actions.

  223. Hillary september 3rd

    Senator Clinton Stresses Importance Of Upcoming Public Meetings With Nassau Flood Map Appeal Period Beginning This Friday

    Following Efforts By Clinton, FEMA Will Hold Two Additional Public Information Meetings In Valley Stream and Long Beach Next Week

    Washington, D.C. – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today continued her efforts to ensure that Nassau homeowners are aware of the importance of attending the additional public information meetings which FEMA will hold in Long Beach and Valley Stream next week to discuss the impact of the agency’s new proposed floodplain maps on the surrounding communities. With the announcement by FEMA that the 90-day appeal period for Nassau County’s new preliminary flood maps will begin this Friday, Senator Clinton stressed that attending FEMA’s informational meetings will help provide homeowners, who may want to challenge their inclusion in the new flood zone, with the information they need to make an informed decision.

    Weeks after Senator Clinton called on FEMA to hold additional public meetings closer to the Nassau County communities that will be affected by the floodplain map redrawing; FEMA recently scheduled additional meetings to be held at the Valley Stream Central High School and Long Beach Middle School

    “With FEMA’s appeal period starting this Friday, it is more important than ever for concerned Nassau homeowners to arm themselves with the knowledge they need to make the best decisions available for their homes and their families,” said Senator Clinton. “I encourage everyone living in or near the proposed floodplain to attend one of the informational meetings next week so that they can speak with FEMA representatives to get all of the available information on how these new flood maps will affect their insurance coverage.”


  224. helen – I have had so many requests for Piper to speak and wave – it is a full time job keeping up with her schedule. I can book you some time next March 2009?

  225. I remain convinced that it’s not the Repubs who engineering this. It’s the moneymen who have been the vampiric parasites on the Republican party for the last three decades who engineered this. Like I’ve said before, they sucked the host so dry it was almost dead, and then looked around for a new host.

    There is ONE PARTY in this country: the Money Party. That’s it. We are a one-party system. They tried to put in a new, “fresh” face who was entirely in thrall to them, one that would appeal to the Democrats and make them feel all liberal for electing him. And yes, that meant his mixed heritage helped him, hugely. They played in white guilt and driving and rightful AA deep thirst for a black candidate that it looked like white people would also vote for. That also meant that the Clintons HAD TO BE DESTROYED, COMPLETELY — because they are in thrall to no one.

    Leave your original host when it looks like it’s going to die. Fnid ahoter, latch on. Inject a bit of adrenaline into it to get the heart pumping. Slaughter any competing support systems so that the host becomes unable to detach itself from you without dying. Then, start feeding.

    What we need to do is watch out for the Moneymen to latch back onto the Repubs. I’m not sure they can, though — the Repubs are still sort of in the woozy, puking and fainting stage of post-infection survival. It may be that, for the first time in a long time, the Moneymen will be without a party, at least for a while. (They’ll game it again; money always does.)

    But this realyl does throw a HUGE monkeywrench into the American political system, and I’m both shocked, scared, and excited to see how it’s going to turn out.

    I’m also furious at being turned into an instant KKK member because I will NOT vote for a scheming, woman-hating fraud of any color … but I have to admit, that I feel a lot of sympathy for AA voters who — regardless of how scheming and fraudulent Obama is, were taken for a ride and will hurt from the loss for a long, long time.

  226. Downticket, on September 8th, 2008 at 12:46 pm Said:
    Hillary september 3rd”

    Hillary, surprise continues to work for her State…Has Obama done anything for IL since being elected much less in the past 19 months?
    I suspect that Hillary was told in no uncertain terms, that if she didn’t play nice, that a “hold” would be placed on every piece of her legislation for the next four years.

  227. Janis….better pass me a sheet too 🙂

  228. Whatever the polls say now, we still have four debates to get through, and I expect they’ll get even more viewers than the conventions did.

  229. John McCain has that same stunned look Prince Charles had when he accompanied Princess Diana to official events. “How did I get to be the bit player to this superstar?”
    Sarah Palin may be heaven on a stick but she is the future of the Republican Party and she is as dangerous to the liberal principles as was Ronald “Welfare Queen” Reagan. Palin has the same ability to say the same divisive, dismissive things (If I hear that government is the problem or how we’re winning in Eyerak one more time, I’ll puke) with a smile. She’s charismatic-in more ways than one-and her family is pure eye candy for the camera.
    I really don’t want either ticket to win. They’ll both be disasters for the nation, IMO.
    Can I have Hillary now? Please.

  230. Carol
    That little girl stole the show at the convention.
    I would vote for her mother just because of her.
    That one has a future as a politician and a winner.
    She is a child who makes people smile and feel good.
    She is a growing PUMA.



  231. SweetSue, like I’ve said, Palin herself doesn’t matter. What matters now is clout. When you play chess,y ou move the pieces that will help you win, not the ones you like.

  232. Oh and what Janis said.

  233. SweetSue is right about the comparison with Reagan, however.

  234. Sure she is — but we need to stop thinking of our votes as a personal endorsement of the candidate as a human being, and a wish for them to ascend into heaven. It is a strategic thing, nothing more. and in the long run, it will help women so much more to be feared than to be taken for granted.

  235. Indded, the polls reflect a snapshot in time.

    One thing though, and I think this is important to note, is that these polls are sampling a GREATER number of Demcrats than Repuublicans. For McCain-Palin to be ahead of Ozero with the sample actually having MORE Democrats in it, is telling.

    Keep Going!
    Stand Up!

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  236. I am thoroughly enjoying seeing all that supported Obama go down. Matthews and Olbermann first and now I hear that Oprah is taking a lot of heat, because she doesn’t want to seem “political”. Well, what the fuck was that crap in Columbia, SC, Miss I am not Political? The icing on the cake will be seeing Dean, Brazile, Reid and Pelosi fall, and they will after this fiasco.

  237. Obama has now come out and said he regrets his abortion answer of “above my pay grade”. He said his answer was too flip and : “What I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into … It’s a pretty tough question.”

    I can’t think of anyone that the word humility applies to LESS than Obama.

    I believe the arrogance of his speech in Germany was the turning point for Obama.

    Mountain Sage

  238. Janis – Amen, sister!

    There is ONE PARTY in this country: the Money Party. That’s it. We are a one-party system. They tried to put in a new, “fresh” face who was entirely in thrall to them, one that would appeal to the Democrats and make them feel all liberal for electing him. And yes, that meant his mixed heritage helped him, hugely. They played in white guilt and driving and rightful AA deep thirst for a black candidate that it looked like white people would also vote for. That also meant that the Clintons HAD TO BE DESTROYED, COMPLETELY — because they are in thrall to no one.

    And that’s why we don’t trust Obama on the economy. He has been assimilated into the MoneyBorg.

  239. The comparison with Reagan has to do with the government being cast as the enemy, not personal things.

  240. Janis,

    I agree. As I commented a couple of days ago, Obama is the front man for the same Wall Street and corporate interests that backed Reagan and Bush. And BTW, they backed Jimmy Carter too. We live in a oligarchy and they are trying to turn it into a fascist police state.

  241. More BAD NEWS for BO:

    Nigeria seizes money ‘for Obama’


    Nigerian anti-graft investigators have seized money raised by the head of the Nigerian Stock Exchange to support US presidential candidate Barack Obama.

    The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission said it would give the money back to those who attended a gala dinner in Lagos last month.

    The EFCC said it had seized 74m naira ($630,000, £314,000), but said no Nigerian laws had been broken.

    US political parties are not allowed to receive contributions from abroad.


    Where is the MSM coverage of this? Will they report it? Oh no, no. no.

    The MSM, including NBC and CNN should just all join up and and merge.

    They could call themselves the COA Network:


    Stand Up America!

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  242. An Obama supporter is now advertising Palin’s baby for sale on e-bay as a ‘used prop’.

    Unless and until Democrats denounce this kind of filth, I cannot see how anyone can support this party or its abhorrent tactics.

    These savages are in lord-of-the-flies land.

  243. Pale Lion,

    The problem with your theory is that Obama said he had been to 57 states and had 2 or 3 more to visit. Please don’t post conspiracy stuff, OK?

  244. But this realyl does throw a HUGE monkeywrench into the American political system, and I’m both shocked, scared, and excited to see how it’s going to turn out.


    And soon I am going to talk about the cumulative effect of the female voice on the human psyche and how we became accustomed to hearing a clear female voice as a leader , and what happened when that voice went still …and what happened when we were gifted with another … and how I think Hillary and Sarah can and will work together on things they agree upon….

  245. plural – I respectfully disagree. I think it’s that she has the ability to make policies that will be harmful to Americans sound like they will be good for Americans. “Drill now! Let the polar bears die!” sound like “Good energy policy!” when Sarah promotes them.

    That’s a personal quality to me.

  246. Swanspirit – Are there things that Hillary and Sarah agree upon?

  247. madamab, I think you are saying what I said, but in different words 🙂

  248. AnnieEm, it seems there no bottom to how low the Obama Fan Base will stoop.

  249. Just Posted Gallup:

    McCain 49%
    Obama 44%

  250. daily kos is getting really scary. they’re preaching to the white obamabots to not lose faith because if they do, they were really racist all along. when you read this stuff it is just like the brainwashing material you’d find from a cult:

    I talk to people out in the street, in the stores, in churches, on the phone, and anywhere I can. I support him because I know….they don’t….yet! But they will. So we just have to convert the non-believer and bring them over to our side. If that’s not possible, at least we can give them good information and hope that when they go into that booth in the back in the corner in the dark, they will do the RIGHT thing and not the WHITE thing!

  251. madamab,

    Come on. You didn’t really think Obama was going to get rid of the Bush tax cuts, did you? Goldman Sachs and the rest of his moneymen would nix that.

  252. Janis said, “There is ONE PARTY in this country: the Money Party.”

    Agreed completely, as we are seeing more and more. But hasn’t it always been this way? From the 1976 movie “Network”:

    ARTHUR JENSEN, President and Chairman of the Board of CC&A, Communications Corporation of America, speaks to HOWARD BEALE, a network anchorman:

    You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it, is that clear?! You think you have merely stopped a business deal — that is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back. It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity, it is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations! There are no peoples! There are no Russians. There are no Arabs! There are no third worlds! There is no West! There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variate, multi-national dominion of dollars! petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars!, Reichmarks, rubles, rin, pounds and shekels! It is the international system of currency that determines the totality of life on this planet! That is the natural order of things today! That is the atomic, subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and you will atone! Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?
    You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen, and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT & T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state — Karl Marx? They pull out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories and minimax solutions and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable by-laws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale! It has been since man crawled out of the slime, and our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there is no war and famine, oppression and brutality — one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you to preach this evangel, Mr. Beale.

    HOWARD BEALE (humble whisper)
    Why me?

    Because you’re on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.

  253. Gary,

    The nonbeliever??? OK, I have to get back to work on my psychological post on the Obama cult.

  254. and how I think Hillary and Sarah can and will work together on things they agree upon…
    Respectfully, I disagree, swanspirit. Palin is pretty hard core, evangelical, movement Republican. Just the opposite of the direction I’d like to see this country move in.
    I do believe, however, that Senator Clinton woud have a more receptive ear in President McCain than she would in President Obama!
    God, this campaign is so crazy.

  255. bboomer, seriously, go read that post. THAT is literally the kool aid they are feeding these kids. shit like you don’t know how it is for black people. if you don’t vote for Obama you are forever a racist. you must cut all people that are not obamabots out of your life…..scary stuff. Can’t wait to read the post btw….are you posting soon? and if not, does anyone else out there have anything? I haven’t seen anyone but bb and mawm all day…

  256. oh and madamab is here….

  257. Let the polar bears die? Sounds like another DK smear. I can’t believe any politician would be saying let the polar bears die. Do you have a link(To a non Obama-tank fed source)?

  258. She is not interested in killing Polar Bears. I live in Texas. We have 100’s of drilling sites off shore and 1000’s in our fields. No polar bears have died. No fish have died. No cattle have died.

    If people are afraid of every eco system being tainted, then we will have to shut all of those down now. Logic should remain logical.

    Life is risk vs. reward. There are ways to drill without hurting anyone or anything. The Arab nations are killing us daily. If a few bears were to die, then so be it.


  259. Sweet Sue .. i do share some of your trepidations

    but Palin worked with Democrats in Alaska ..and she and John MCcain are friends and have worked together in the past .. I believe more positives would come from that trio and those that wuold work with them… than would EVER come from a bo admin.. can you imagine what he wuold do to Hillary as POTUS ?? I dont think it would be pretty

  260. garychapelhill, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:27 pm Said:

    That is absolutely horrific.

    I cannot stand kos.

  261. Everything I have read about Palin suggests that she is not out to force her religious beliefs on people. Instead, it seems like she is interested in fighting corruption and wasteful spending.

  262. Gary,

    Is that the one about the message to white people? Let me know. I’ll read it when I get home. I have to go to work for a couple of hours.

  263. Gary,

    Did you read the Meteor Blades post over the weekend where he half-heartedly tells the bots to stop using sexism to attack Palin? I don’t recall him doing that when Hillary was being attacked. But it won’t make any difference anyway.

  264. swanspirit, I doubt that either Bill or Hillary would ever see the inside of an Obama White House because the new Democratic Party is determined to dump their only two term winner (in over half a century) and his force of nature wife onto the trash heap.
    Search me.
    I do think Janis, Madamab, plural et al are correct-there’s only the Money Party now.

  265. BB –

    Come on. You didn’t really think Obama was going to get rid of the Bush tax cuts, did you? Goldman Sachs and the rest of his moneymen would nix that.

    No, I didn’t. My hubby asked me where Obama was on taxes, and I said that I thought he and McCain would both continue the Bush tax cuts, despite what Obama was saying at the time.

    Turns out I was right. Stupid Virgo rightness. 🙂

    BTW – I have an economy post ready if no one else has anything.

  266. Great article here:


    “Ms. Palin’s outflanking of the oil companies injected some competition and urgency into a process that was previously stalled. Perhaps her Democratic opponent for the governorship in 2006, who campaigned on similar ideas, would have achieved these results. Nevertheless, Ms. Palin actually did.”

    Actions speak louder than words!

    America is Standing Up For The Original Mavericks!!

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  267. Mawm,

    Palin has allowed hunting of wolves from airplanes. The same thing is happening in some other western states. I know she fought against having polar bears on the endangered species list. I’m not sure why.

  268. Janis—-great, as usual and offering wonderful insight.

  269. madamab,

    Please put it up. I have to go out soon. Gary might be working on something….

  270. Mawm, I hope you’re right. But people like James Dobson (fundamentalist, evangelical, hard core patriarchist) and Ann Coulter (movement conservative, Democracy saboteur,nutjob) are over the moon about Palin and that’s a red flag.

  271. Downticket, thanks for posting all of the Hillary doings. It reinforces just how much we were correct to support her and to try to get her the candidacy.

  272. madamab,

    RE: the tax cuts.

    I figured you were about as cynical as I am. LOL!

  273. I think if McCain were president, the vice presidency would revert to a more traditional role.

    She wouldn’t be making policy. He knows more than enough to do that for himself, agree with him or not.

    I also think, though, that there is no way that McCain would sell Air Force One.

  274. BB – That’s what I was referring to. She is suing the Bush adminstration because it declared polar bears an endangered species. She says the number of polar bears is increasing and that global warming is not caused by humans. Also, she wants to drill in ANWR, even though it would not produce any oil for 10 years.

    This is why conservatives love her. She really is quite terrible on some issues. However, it’s important to remember that McCain is the one that would be deciding these things, and he disagrees with Sarah on the environment.

  275. Madamab, please, post….I’m dying of boredom here at work, give me something good to read! 🙂

    bb–yeah that was a comment from that same kos post…its really disturbing. didn’t read the meteor blades post. I don’t know if I could stomach that….

  276. Gary at 8:54 AM, I did see “White People, Can We Talk” at DK. It reminded me to stop at the bookstore and pick up a copy of Tom Wolfe’s “Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers.”

  277. This is great!

    First McCain-Palin ad is up!!

    It’s a great piece of political judo wherein you take the mantra, the message, the strength of your opponent and claim it as your own. Barack Obama has been on the campaign trail now for two years calling himself the agent of change, saying that he’s the person who can really effect serious reform in Washington. Now you’ve got John McCain and Sarah Palin saying that THEY are the candidates of change, pointing to their experience and their resume — their ACTUAL WORK in government — as evidence of their ability to effect the change that Barack Obama says he hopes to bring. Pretty tough row to hoe when Barack Obama has spent so many hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising and campaign efforts calling himself the agent of change, but McCain and Palin believe they can wrestle it away from him in just these last 58 days.

    McCain and Palin are out with a new video this morning that keeps up with their string of great, to-the-point ads that leave Obama sputtering:

    Wonder what Ozero will say?

    Uh, I was a community organizer.
    I, uh, thought about joining the military.
    Oh, yeah, throughout 20 years with terrorists, felons, and hate-filled racists I kept my eyes shut, ears closed, and mouth sealed.


    He. Will. Say. or. Do. Anything.
    Obama. Can’t. Be. Trusted.


    Oh and McCain is up 5 in new Gallup Poll results.

    Keep Standing Up and Keep Going!!

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  278. RD so beautifully written I almost cried-and so true when will they ever learn?


  279. Hey Gary hey Madamab-fuzzybeargville

  280. sweet sue, I think that dobson and coulter just needed an excuse to jump on the GOP bandwagon. They were so anti-mccain in the primary that they couldn’t do an about face without being labeled hypocrites, or even worse.OMFG#3!!! RACISTS!!!, but they were NEVER going to support the Dems anyway. Palin gave them cover to get back on board.

  281. gotta go back to work I am feeling better now Hope everyone has a great day!

  282. Hey Fuzzy! Hugs and good thoughts to you – may Ike leave you alone!

    New post up. 🙂

  283. HEY FUZZY!!! How’s our favorite hurrican fighter?

  284. “#
    Mawm, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm Said:

    Let the polar bears die? Sounds like another DK smear. I can’t believe any politician would be saying let the polar bears die. Do you have a link(To a non Obama-tank fed source)?”

    Sadly the global warming “tipping point” for melting the Arctic Ice probably happened in the early ’80’s. Shooting wolves is something I really don’t like..just compensate the ranchers for the few calves and sheep that they eat.

  285. SHV – Her views on polar bears are quite well-known.


    She is far to the right of McCain in this area. Thank goodness she will not be dictating policy. She is not the Cheney of this team. 🙂

  286. Hi madam B!

    Just wanted to say hi, not really on the same side of things…

    I appreciate your honesty though, don’t let your anger at the one let you forget how bad the other is – whoever your choice may be, constant vigilance 🙂

  287. Hi CST!

    I agree, constant vigilance and down-ticket Dems for me. Thanks for the shout-out! 🙂

  288. I used to listen to NPR, but they keep interviewing obviously Democratic minded people who all agree with each other. I want to hear about McCain, and all I get is Obama.

    Newsweek has run the same 10 page spread of Obama’s family raising him. Where are the stories about his community organizing days? Is that when he was hooked on drugs? Is that why they never have any interviews with the people who knew him then? Or did I miss them?

    The daily show does a nightly slam of McCain, that is getting really old. I have seen one slam of Obama on the Daily show in the last two months. They did ridicule the greek backdrop for his speech, but very gently.

    It is getting boring. They are doing it for the majority of people listening to their programs, but that majority is fast shrinking. They need to ridicule each candidate equally.

    It is a strange world where Fox News starts to sound unbiased.

  289. Considering her poll numbers in Alaska, her views are probably kinda mainstream for frozen voters.

    But remember, if we agreed with McCain/Palin on everything, we would be Republicans.

    We’re Democrats, protesting the corruption in our party.

  290. this is to amuse Madamab:
    Sheets!! Upstairs!

  291. … you must cut all people that are not obamabots out of your life.

    Cult behavior, classic cult behavior. I can make a comment about how the demographic that went for this nonsense is also the demographic that is frequently targeted by cults — young, inexperienced, fired up about something, wanting to strike a flash of some sort … what my dad used to call “Wants to set the world on fire but doesn’t have a match.”

  292. SweetSue:

    LOL!! Ah, the Baby Blue days. 🙂


    Rebels without a clue….

  293. jennie:

    The sad/scary part is that if Obama won, we would see 4 years of vetting his past and TDS jokes about him.

  294. Hillary steers clear of the ‘catfight’ shoals:


    My favorite bit:
    “While it may not turn into a cat fight, per se, the spectacle of a battle over women’s votes is bound to be a theme throughout the rest of the campaign, no matter the party affiliations.”

    I’ve never been really pandered to before, outside of a few singles bars that is. Certainly better than “hey you selfish immature emotional blue-collar, low information, bitter, low income woman, you’ve got nowhere else to go.”

    What do you have to say to me and those like me now, dems? My feeling is the Obots and DNC are not yet sufficiently humbled and desperate. It will be a while yet until I hear proper contrition.

    Me: “Howie, you forgot to say ‘yes domina, it shall be as you wish, domina.'”

  295. “Obama: Rice Krispies


    LOL! Really, truly couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!

  296. “madamab, on September 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pm Said:

    SHV – Her views on polar bears are quite well-known.”

    I don’t like any of her views on the environment…I guess my point re: Polar bears was that, that die was probably cast long ago…and is not reversible.

  297. A PARODY OF

    Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is by CHICAGO

    As I was walking down the street one day
    A man came up to me and asked me who the candidate was that was on my mind , yeah
    And I said

    Does anybody really know where obama is
    Does anybody really care
    If so I cant imagine why
    Weve all got time enough to cry

    And I was walking down the street one day
    A pretty lady looked at me and said her campaign had been stopped cold dead
    And I said

    Does anybody really know whwre the DNC is
    Does anybody really care
    If so I cant imagine why
    Weve all got time enough to cry

    And I was walking down the street one day
    Being pushed and shoved by people trying to beat their rival , oh, no I just dont know
    I dont know
    And I said, yes I said

    People runnin everywhere
    Dont know where to go
    I know where I am
    I can see past the next step
    I have time to think past the last mile
    Have the time to look around
    Just run around, run around and think why

    Does anybody really know where obama goes
    Does anybody really care
    If so I cant imagine why
    Weve all got time enough to vote

  298. Me: “Howie, you forgot to say ‘yes domina, it shall be as you wish, domina.’”

    LMAO! I too am enjoying both sides vying for my vote. I could get used to this. 😀

  299. “Everything I have read about Palin suggests that she is not out to force her religious beliefs on people. ”

    As a non religous republican I was really worried that she was a religous zealot when I heard that she said the war was god’s will. My mind was put at ease when I actually watched the whole video of her talking to those young people. First, she wasn’t saying it was god’s will she was saying let’s pray that we’re doing the right thing and that we have a plan. Who hasn’t wished we had a plan.

    More telling to me was her talking about her son getting tattoo’s. It might seem like an minor thing but to me she just doesn’t sound like a holier than thou, judgemental person. I don’t care how strong someone’s personal faith is, as long as they don’t want to force it on me.

    If you haven’t already, watch it and decide for yourself…

  300. WMCB and perries,

    Interesting to see the approach Democrats are using to pander to you. Instead of talking about the myriad things they would do for women, they are choosing instead to fear monger you with what the Republicans would do in office. Seems less of a pander, and more of an abusive relationship.

  301. G’day PUMAs! Took me awhile to catch up on all the great threads.

    Re KO and Matthews’ demise: GE owns NBC. They are a $100 billion company with lots of angry customers right now. CEO Immelt is getting pounded daily by O’Reilly–who is smart enough to know KO is an insignificant pawn and MSNBC is rounding error on GE’s balance sheet. KO and Matthews are too stupid to realize how the big boys really play Hard Ball. GE loses a few jet engine deals or plastics deals, Immelt gets dragged through the muck and guess what? I’m surprised they haven’t pulled the plug on the whole network yet.

    Re The Money Party: Having spent many years as an executive with one of those supposedly evil multi-national corporations, I can say the experience was more like being a sergeant in the Keystone Kops than a sinister agent of evil. All we were trying to do was sell more computers. We pulled out of Russia because we refused to pay bribes to the mafia there. Our executives were both Democrats and Republicans. So I don’t think there was any Wall Street conspiracy to defeat Hillary Clinton. HRC has many friends on Wall Street–although some of them, such as Robert Rubin–became turncoats. They saw which way the wind was blowing.

    The Democrats got Obama for a number of reasons. First, Obama was organized to be ruthless from the getgo, whereas Clinton’s campaign advisers were complacent in Iowa and didn’t get tough for a critical month after the Iowa caucus. They didn’t realize they had to get vicious because in the primaries, well, that just isn’t done.

    Second, the media covered up the whole Edwards affair–allowing Edwards to split the Clinton voters. Clinton would have won the nomination if Edwards hadn’t siphoned off votes in the early primaries. When Edwards faded and Clinton got tough, she started winning all the later primaries.

    Third, the Obamacrats rigged the game in all the states that held caucuses instead of primaries. Some of these states just counted caucus votes from whoever showed up. So pack the house with Obots! Play the race card, paint Bill Clinton (of all people) as a racist! (Now they are saying that making fun of the “community organizer” moniker is racist. Where does this end?) Chicago thug politics goes to Washington.

    My $.02.

  302. On drilling: Having been to Alaska, I can tell you that folks up there are used to sucking on the teat of payola from the oil industry. I mean, come on – these folks receive a check direct in the mail every year from the state’s oil bank account? You gotta figure at least some of the drilling issue is they think they’re going to see more benefit from it.

    Here’s why I’m personally against it: The U.S. has done ZERO to mandate higher fuel standards (ours are worse than China, for cryin’ out loud.) We have no infrastructure to speak of – why can I personally not take a train somewhere like St. Louis from Nashville without driving three hours to reach the station? Why are we not forced to participate in programs like Green Share, which allows homeowners to pay a bit more every month to support non-polluting energy production like solar and wind power?

    Until all that happens, no more ramping up oil production.

    I’ll agree there are a few things to like about Palin, but I’m still planning on writing in Hillary.

    From a ways back: Regency, how much are tix to the Houston Hill event? Maybe some of us who were going to chip in cash to HRC anyway could pool together and buy you a ticket. Just a thought.

    Charles: Mawn is right in that Obama overpolls generally. The other point to keep in mind is we have yet to see the state by state polls. Those will start to come this week again. There may be one for Tennessee, I have to go check my inbox.

    Heh. is it McCain up 15? Or has he hit 20 yet? He’s been in the 14 range for weeks.

    Please don’t get carried away. The race remains competitive. The good news is that it is breaking against Obama.

    Agree. It’ll be interesting to see what they do, in their panic.

    EdgeofForever’s blog mentions that Obama’s sending his two kids to private school costing $20K per child per year…why isn’t anyone in the MSM talking about this?! Sheez, you wanna talk ‘out of touch.’

  303. Eleanor A,

    I understand your dilemma, but a write-in vote for Hillary is a vote for Obama. I learned this lesson the hard way when I voted for Perot in ’92 to protest the wimpy Bush the First, aka Read My Lips. You won’t feel better afterwards, because no one will notice or care.

    The Democratic Party will only notice your clout if Obama loses big.

  304. “You won’t feel better afterwards, because no one will notice or care.”

    Yep. I did the same and regret it as well. The only message the R party got was “We would have won if it wasn’t for Perot”.

    I feel that to write in a canidate or vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote, you might as well save some time stay home.

    I’ve never understood why so many people treat politics like a football game. Everything is great as long as my team wins. Why do people put all their hopes into one party when they have the power to make both parties work for them?

  305. Hmmmm. You may be right, Dave. I live in a state where McCain is currently leading Obama 56-32, is the only thing (gee, I wonder why all those “undecided” voters in a state where Hillary won the primary by 14? ;))

  306. Ha. You know what? I bet it really is hitting the Obama folks about now that we are really not coming back, since the numbers are starting to solidify and there are fewer undecided voters.

    Not that I feel bad for ’em in the slightest.

  307. Every American should see this video!

    Please have a look at it and spread the word!

    Dear Mr. Obama

    God Speed Soldier!!

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  308. Mawm, on September 8th, 2008 at 2:52 pm Said:
    WMCB and perries,

    Interesting to see the approach Democrats are using to pander to you. Instead of talking about the myriad things they would do for women, they are choosing instead to fear monger you with what the Republicans would do in office. Seems less of a pander, and more of an abusive relationship.

    Indeed mawm, it seems the O-dems are slow on the uptake and not quick to grasp why it is important to do the right thing, in the right way for the right reasons. I suspect many painful lessons lie before them, lessons which they may manage to misconstrue. They are differently-pander-abled.

  309. Riverdaughter

    Great column here again!

    I believe you said that Hillary wasn’t as successful in tabling the two chief media misogynists during the on-air relentless Hillary-bashing . Would you say the Republicans at least proeect their candidates from unwarranted sexist attacks in a way that the exDemocratic Party never attempted–to its great shame and ultimate demise this November.

    Karma’s a bitch and it’s going to bite Barky in both grecian columns come November!

  310. i got so exccited, when I first saw this ..and then Riverdaughter put a whole new perspective on why .. they took them off the election and now…truly, could they be that smart.. (the suits at MSNBC)and evil at the same time?

  311. Sorry, I misspelled “protect” up above.

    My question was that Republicans must have done a far better job of PROTECTING and PROTESTING their candidates sexist treatment. The exDemocratic party did not only not speak up. It aided and abetted the relentless, unprecedented vitriolic Hillary-bashing! How could the perpetrator speak up on behalf of his victim!

    Chris Matthews and Olbmermann, at last, got well-deserved kicks in the shin. But why not get fired?
    Imus got fired for racist comments. Are SEXIST comments not deserving of the SAME treatment as RACISM?

    When is legislation going to be enacted protecting women,not just in politics, from misogynist attacks? Anti-Woman-hatred laws are now a must. But I doubt Palin’s priorities would even begin to cover this somehow!…

    Ah, Hillary, do rise…soon. Women everywhere need you!

    P.S. Maureen Dowd’s N.Y.Times “Clash of Titans” with HIllary and Sarah was worth the read….although this clash involved one titan and an understudy.

  312. Got this from my old boss, who volunteers for the Dems in Maine.

    Oh no!!! Sarah Palin hates polar bears!!!!
    Subject: Fw: Something we can do!
    >Friends, compatriots, fellow-lamenters, we are writing to you because of the fury and dread we have felt since the announcement of Sarah Palin as the
    Vice-Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. We believe that this terrible decision has surpassed mere partisanship, and that it is a dangerous
    farce-on the part of a pandering and rudderless Presidential candidate-that has a real possibility of becoming fact.
    >Perhaps like us, as American women, you share the fear of what Ms. Palin and her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for ourselves and for our
    present or future daughters. To date, she is against sex education, birth control, the pro-choice platform,environmental protection, alternative energy
    development, freedom of speech (as mayor she wanted to ban books and attempted to fire the librarian who stood against her), gun control, the separation of church and state, and polar bears. To say nothing of her complete lack of real preparation to become the
    second-most-powerful person on the planet.
    > We want to clarify that we are not against Sarah Palin as a woman, a mother,or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but solely as a
    rash, incompetent, and all together devastating choice for Vice President. Ms. Palin’s political views are in every way a slap in the face to the accomplishments that our mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers so fiercely fought for, and that we’ve so demonstrably benefited from.
    > *First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us.
    > She does not demonstrate or uphold our interests as American women.
    > It is presumed that the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket could win over women voters.
    > We want to disagree, publicly *Therefore, we invite you to reply here:
    > womensaynopalin@gmail.com with a short, succinct message about why you, as a
    woman living in this country, do not support this candidate as second-in-command for
    our nation.*
    > Please include your name (last initial is fine),
    > age, and place of residence.
    >We will post your responses on a blog called “Women Against Sarah Palin,”
    > which we intend to publicize as widely aspossible.
    >Please send us your reply at your earliest convenience-the greater the volume
    > of responses we receive, the stronger our message will be.
    > Thank you for your time and action.
    > Sincerely,
    > Quinn Latimer and Lyra Kilston
    > New York, NY
    > ***PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY!* If you send this to 20 women in the next hour, you
    could be blessed with a country that takes your concerns seriously.
    >Stranger things have happened.
    > Brenda Freiberg
    > 10550 Wilshire Boulevard, #1104
    > Los Angeles, California 90024
    > (H) 310-446-9844
    > (M) 310-266-8556
    > (F) 310-446-7020

  313. […] Monday: Stormy Monday And, no, we’re not talking about Hurricane Ike, although we are sending good thoughts to our Floridian and Gulf […] […]

  314. I get that you’re pissed and feel betrayed but WORKING to get McCain/Palin in the WH is insane. If you were supporting Hillary for her gender alone, you missed the point. Hillary stands for equality, choice, the environment, and health care for all. McCain/Palin care NOTHING about these issues and are stirring up the pot to create havoc and take the election in November. You want to blame the media or the DNC for the primaries? Go ahead, but suck it up, plug your nose if you have to, and vote for Obama. There’s no going back on November 5, unless you like the idea of wearing pretty little aprons, watching after 10 kids, and hoping your hubby raises your grocery allowance.

  315. KP: You are a child and you can’t spell.

  316. McCain leads independents 50 percent to 43 percent.

    –McCain leads married women 48 percent to 44 percent.

    –McCain leads white Catholics 59 percent to 36 percent.

    ABC poll, yeah we knew….and oh by the way, yeah, it is necessary to elect a woman NOW the Dem parties misogyny cannot stand nor I believe will it…..insane would be to allow this assult on women to win IMHO

  317. Did you all see what Chris Mathews did today?

    it was pathetic as usual!

    Maybe MSNBC should just tell him to “take your job and shove it-you ain’t working here no more!”

    Found a story about just now…

    Matthews: Palin Running ‘Somewhere Between VP and First Lady’

    Mark Finkelstein
    September 8, 2008 – 19:55 ET

    The liberal campaign to seek to diminish Sarah Palin by sexualizing her continues. Yesterday, I described how Frank Rich used a number of sexualized terms in reference to Palin’s relationship with McCain: “shotgun marriage,” “speed-dating” and “embrace.” Chris Matthews employed a similar tactic this evening, claiming that Palin is running “somewhere between a VP and a First Lady.”

    During the first segment of this evening’s Hardball, Matthews tried out his theory, with no particular success, on pollster Stu Rothenberg and NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd. For the record, Matthews did stop short of telling Palin to iron McCain’s shirt:

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me try my theory about why Sarah Palin seems to be catching on. I don’t think she’s running as a traditional VP, which is no big deal. She’s running as kind of like the other partner, somewhere between a VP and a First Lady, maybe.

    Imagine the liberal/feminist outrage if a Republican had sought to portray a sitting governor and VP candidate as a First Lady.

    Note: Matthews was on quite a roll tonight, trying to undermine Palin and the McCain ticket at large. As my colleague Geoffrey Dickens has noted, Matthews wondered whether Republican mention of “community organizer” is akin to “welfare queen” or even “outside agitator,” the segregationsists’ term from the ’60s for civil rights activists.

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  318. Ironman, that is astonishing. Do you mind copying and posting your comment onto the latest thread? I’m sure they would all be interested to hear that. and do you have a link to the article.

  319. Obama is a sexist jerk!!!

  320. Right on Chris!

    NOBAMA/NOBIDEN ’08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  321. […]First, in all three conflicts, Democrats postponed the initiation of direct combat as long as possible. In only one, World War I, did Wilson decide to join the war without prior direct attack. Roosevelt maneuvered near war but did not enter the war until after Pearl Harbor. Truman also maneuvered near war but did not get into direct combat until after the North Korean invasion of South Korea. Indeed, even Wilson chose to go to war to protect free passage on the Atlantic. More important, he sought to prevent Germany from defeating the Russians and the Anglo-French alliance and to stop the subsequent German domination of Europe, which appeared possible. In other words, the Democratic approach to war was reactive. All three presidents reacted to events on the surface, while trying to shape them underneath the surface.[…]

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