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A letter from Lynette

I am reprinting a letter from Dr. Lynette Long that was sent to me today. Although I agree with many of the points Lynette makes, I am not as willing to go as far as she has with an endorsement. Everyone is encouraged to take as much time as they like in choosing whether to vote or not this year. This is Dr. Long’s POV and I find her thoughts on gender equity point on. My own daughter, who scores in the top 2% nationally in math has been forced to repeat a year of pre-algebra in spite of good grades. Many of her male classmates with her scores are taking a math class that will put her two years behind them next year. There was no arguing with the teacher. Brook just didn’t register on her radar and after March, she stopped calling on Brook in class. Brook is 12. Fortunately, she was admitted to Stanford University’s EPGY program based on the strength of her standardized test scores. She doesn’t have to fall behind but it is a sad situation that forces her to teach herself, via distance learning, with virtually no encouragement from her teachers or peer group. Already, it is expected that she will have to work much harder to get half as far. Discrimination starts young.

Without further interruption, a letter from Lynette:

The X Factor

by Lynette Long

Gloria Steinem, in her recent editorial in the Los Angeles Times, came out strongly against Governor Palin claiming the only thing women have in common with Palin is an X chromosome. I respectfully disagree. Governor Palin knows what it is like to be a woman, a mother, a daughter, a sister – things the two men on the Democratic ticket can never fully understand. She knows what it is like to grow up invisible in an incredibly sexist society, to be stared at, groped, and sexually harassed. She knows what it is like to be smaller in stature than men and physically vulnerable. She knows what it’s like to worry that you are pregnant when you don’t want to be or that you are not pregnant when you want to be. Sarah Palin knows what it is to experience the joys and sorrows of motherhood, to nurse a baby while holding down a job, to leave for work in the morning with a toddler tugging at your pant leg, or to have your children calling you at work to diffuse squabbles or ask for help with homework. She knows that once you get to work you have to speak twice as loud and twice as often to be heard and work twice a hard to go half as far. She knows what it is to be a member of the second sex.

Gender is the most fundamental human characteristic. The first comment made when a child is born is either, “It’s a girl” or “It’s a boy.” From that second on, boys and girls live in parallel universes in the same culture. From the nursery room to the board room, boys and girls are given different messages about their respective roles in the world. At the hospital they are given different types of names and wrapped in different color blankets. Once home, baby girls and boys wear fundamentally different clothes and play with different toys. This differentiation extends through school where girls are given less attention, picked less frequently to answer questions and placed less often in advanced science and math classes. Once in the workforce, women are steered into lower-paying careers, paid less for the same work, and forced to juggle the responsibilities of work and home. You can’t learn what it is to be a woman, unless you are one. You can’t have a government essentially devoid of women that knows what’s best for women. You can’t legislate for women, without women.

After the last Democratic Primary was over and it was clear Senator Clinton was not going to get the Democratic nomination, myself, and a small group of Clinton supporters met with Senator McCain and Carly Fiorina. I personally explained to Senator McCain that women comprise well over half of the population, yet are underrepresented in every branch of government. I asked him loudly and clearly to choose a woman for the VP slot and to increase the number of women in the cabinet and on the Supreme Court. Senator McCain listened respectfully to my request. Representatives of The New Agenda also met with Carly Fiorina and as well as representatives from the Obama campaign to
make similar requests.

After the Democratic Primary, I was also in contact with a member of Obama’s Finance Committee. He left several messages on my office phone, “urging” me to support Senator Obama. We had numerous contentious conversations and I finally told him I would be happy to vote for Senator Obama and rally other Hillary supporters to vote for Senator Obama but in return I wanted Obama to pledge gender parity in the cabinet. I foolishly thought equal representation in government was a reasonable request. “What if there aren’t qualified women you still expect us to appoint half women to the cabinet?” he replied. I was confused. “There are 300 million people in this country; you’re telling me you can’t find ten qualified women?” His responded, “You can’t have that.” We had no further conversations. There was nothing more to say.

Weeks later I approached a training session for DNC canvassers at a park in my neighborhood. Eager to practice their new skills, they all ran up to me, “Do you support Senator Obama? Do you want to donate money to the DNC?” After explaining that I was a Hillary supporter, I again made my request. I will support Senator Obama if he will pick a woman as his running mate and promise gender parity in the cabinet. The men in the group openly laughed at me and found my request ridiculous. I looked at the horrified faces of the newly minted female canvassers. “They’re laughing at you too,” I muttered.

Not one to give up, I contacted a daughter of a friend of mine who is a policy advisor for Obama. She assured me Obama was a good guy, so I posed my request to her. She generously responded, “I’ll ask him.” When I did not hear back from her in a few days, I shot her another email. She told me how disappointed she was in me for making such a stupid request. Obama was on the “right” side of the issues. Why did it matter whether men or women legislated those issues? I guess the answer from Obama was No. What saddened me was her mother was one of this nation’s greatest champions of title nine, educational equity and gender parity. Her mother and I counted the number of pictures of boys and girls in text books, male and female cartoon characters, and documented the underrepresentation of girls in math classes in our nation’s schools. Yes, policy is important but who decides and delivers that policy is even more important. As Marshall McLuhan profoundly noted, “The medium is the message.” Children incorporate many of their perceptions about gender by five years old. Little girls won’t understand if Sarah Palin is pro-life or pro-choice, believes in gun control or is a member of the NRA, but they will know the Vice-President of the United States of America is a girl and that alone will alter their perceptions of themselves.

I have given my loyalty to the Democratic Party for decades. My party, which is comprised primary of women, has not put a woman on a presidential ticket for 24 years. My party refused to nominate my candidate, Hillary Clinton, for president or vice president, even though she received more votes than any other candidate in history. My party stood silently by as Hillary Clinton was eviscerated by the mainstream media. My party was mute while MSM repeatedly called Clinton a bitch and symbolically called me and every other woman in this country a bitch. My party was disturbingly silent when the MSM commented on Hillary’s body or the shrillness of her voice, reminding me and every other woman the fundamental disrespect we endure on a daily basis. My party’s candidate was mute when Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger openly mocked Senator Clinton from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ. My party’s candidate was silent when the rapper Ludicrous released a new song calling Hillary a bitch. My party and it’s candidate gave their tacit approval for the attacks on Senator Hillary Clinton and consequently women in general.

I have a choice. I can vote for my party and it’s candidates which have demonstrated a blatant disrespect for women and a fundamental lack of integrity or I can vote for the Republican ticket which has heard our concerns and put a woman on the ticket but with whom I fundamentally don’t agree on most issues. If Democratic women wait for the perfect woman to come along, we will never elect a woman. We have to seize opportunity where it presents itself. Besides, the Democratic Party is no longer my home. I have no home, but this election I will make my bed somewhere else.

I respect Gloria Steinem’s right to support the presidential ticket of her choice but she is openly trying to derail Sarah Palin’s historic candidacy. As Madeleine Albright said, “There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.” I will vote for McCain-Palin. I urge other women to do the same. I might not personally agree with Palin on every issue and I promise to the first person knocking on her door, if Roe v. Wade, or any other legislation that goes against the rights of women is threatened. But in Governor Palin I find a woman of integrity, who not only talks the talk but walks the walk. I can work with that. I will work with that. When I walk down the street, I don’t have democrat printed on my forehead, but my gender is obvious to everyone and impacts every interaction in my life. Since my country is far from gender neutral, right now for me gender trumps everything else. I urge other women to join me in this fight for equality. Sometimes opportunities occur where you least expect them.

Lynette Long
http://www.lynettelong.com
drlynettelong@aol.com

197 Responses

  1. This is a compelling article and Lynette Long makes an excellent case, but I still don’t believe that women will be better off if Palin becomes the Vice President. This is all just so bleak!

  2. “That is very odd”..Thank god she has a mom who will help her over this “bump” in the road. She won’t think so, but the self learning will eventually pay off. She will be able to say “FU” when she blow out the PSATs.

  3. The obvious question to Ms Long is whether she would feel the same way if, say, Phyllis Schlafly was the Republican nominee for Vice President.

  4. Ummm….well articulated.
    thank you Dr. long for sending it.

    I will print it and keep reding it every day ….just in case my resolve to vote for McCain/Palin weakens…..

    Because that is how I felt when I heard the name Palin…

    McCain listened to ME….

  5. Right on!

    Furthermore, I like to think that we are further evolved than the GOP. As I said on TalkLeft, when we insist that only Democrats can be feminist, how are we any different than the GOP who insists that the only folks who can be christian are folks who are voting GOP “values?

    Sarah and I may disagree but it is absolutely wrong to disrespect her positions and not respect her own experiences as a woman(which I am sure she draws upon). She has as much right to call herself feminist as any woman on the left of the aisle. She has clawed her way up and has EARNED that title.

  6. Yup.

  7. WigWag: I think she has a point. It’s sort of like when Sally Ride became the first American woman in space. It got a lot of attention and was seen as monumental. Then, it became routine. This is what Long is refering to. I think her point has a lot of merit. Palin is no dummy. VP is a reasonable place to jump from Governor. I’m not ready to jump on that bandwagon because I have to be sure Republicans are ready to clean up their act. But the concept has a lot of logical appeal.

  8. Thanks for sharing this, and really appreciate Dr. Lynette’s investigations into primary and caucus fraud.

    Thought: People who are concerned about Gov. Palin being too inexperienced to be president, should something happen to Sen. McCain (God forbid) should hear an appropriate retort to allay their concerns. If she succeeded him, she’d have to pick a Vice-President to replace her, right? Recall Gerald Ford replacing Richard Nixon when he resigned President, and picking Nelson Rockefeller to be Vice-President. Palin could pick however she wanted, right? (- Including someone with more experience than herself) Why not someone with lots of experience, like Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton?

    Hell, if Obama wouldn’t pick Hillary as Veep, perhaps Sarah would.

  9. SHV: Er, I think she is already capable of blowing out the PSATs. She took the SSAT’s for private school (that wait listed her because of her entry year). She consistently scores at 98% in verbal and 99% in math. This test is given to 5-7 graders. She took it when she was in 6th grade. So, essentially, she outscored most kids even a grade above her. And, she didn’t take the test prep course. She did it cold and didn’t even break a sweat. It was just another fun thing to do on Saturday morning.

  10. Dr. Long’s letter appears as a front-page diary at:

    http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net

    You can leave commentary there, as well.

  11. Murphy, we’re not voting for McCain and Palin because we think they’ll uphold the highest principles of Democracy. We’re voting for them because the Democrats did not uphold the highest principles of Democracy. I find it difficult to believe many are equivocating on a protest vote in spite of rampant disenfranchisement and outright fraud.

  12. Riverdaughter, I don’t disagree with you. But it’s hard for me to see how it is logically consistent to be against Obama in part because he’s unqualified and then support Palin who is equally unqualified.

    No one is angrier at the Democrats that I am. The election fraud at the convention made by blood boil. After what the party did to Hillary, I re-registered as an independent. But Obama’s personal story isn’t compelling to me and neither is Palin’s. I don’t care about anyone’s personal story. I want competence and I want a woman as President or Vice President that young grils can look up to. I don’t think Palin is that woman.

    I understand why some PUMAs may want to vote for a ticket with her on it. But I just can’t.

    I am trying to take some solace in this awful political season by taking your advice and supporting down ticket Democrats. But given everything that’s happened, it’s hard to do that with any enthusiasm.

  13. Lynette Long has done a lot of work on voting fraud and now she is fighting on the front of this s/election’s muggling.

    I agree with her wholeheartedly.

    I went to an antiwar protest in DC, which was anemic. I mentioned to some of the groups tabling at the end of the march that I’d been to the last NOW march and there were over a million there. (1.1 invisible women, never mentioned in the MSM)

    The young men sniffed and said “oh, those are DEMOCRATS.”

    How they expect to build their utopian society without mainstream Dems and WOMEN I’ll never know.

    But these young brats need a tough love cuffing from the PUMAs.

  14. WigWag, except that Palin is not “equally” unqualified and she’s not top of the ticket.

  15. I don’t not support Barack Obama not because he is unqualified. I do not support him because he ran a disgusting primary and does not appear to take principled stands on anything. With McCain I’m pretty sure what I am getting. With Barack Obama? not so much.

  16. “riverdaughter, on September 6th, 2008 at 11:58 pm Said: ”

    Good for her!!

  17. WigWag,

    I know you aren’t addressing me but, my chief problems with Obama aren’t inexperience exactly. It’s that he’s got NO experience. And he’s unelectable and illegitimate.

    (I’m trying to figure out why that reminds me of a Steve Martin routine)

  18. WigWag,
    Sarah is running for VP, not president. Every day that she serves under John McCain, she becomes one more day qualified to be president than Obama will be on the day he becomes president. If our goal is for Obama to lose the election, then actively or passively, we want McCain to be president. Sarah makes that idea so much easier to handle. If your goal is for Obama to win, but to deny him a mandate by making the election a squeaker, then be prepared for him to think he has a mandate anyway. Think what it will mean for all of our little girls to see a woman as VP. Think about getting one step closer to it’s not all that unusual. Think about Madame President not being so far out of reach. Sarah’s a pistol. She’ll shoot her way through the ceiling if she has to.

  19. Lynette Long speaks for me. Also, I retract my prior statement about Ms. ALLOVER and move to erase them from history.

    Democrats you have lost me, most likely forever.

    When BO loses, I will sleep for the first time in over a year.

  20. RD, I was one of those young women who naturally excelled at math…if I didn’t “get” something I never went to the teachers, I asked my friend, who almost got a perfect score on the SAT and ended up a professor at Stanford. I got the next highest score, not far behind. Not one person at school told me I could do anything with this talent.

    But I have to say, sexism is not the only factor here. Academic excellence is threatening to some no matter the gender. My son, who did get a perfect score, suffered all through his middle and high school years, from teachers and administrators who were threatened by him and tried various ways to keep him down. Happily he did have a couple of excellent caring teachers who mentored him, above and beyond.

    Beware….even some colleges are not even counting SATs anymore. They are going for GPA…”obedience” IOW.

    But both Stanford and Johns Hopkins has great programs for gifted kids. John Hopkins has a program where middle school kids can take the SATs. I recommend it, but even if your daughter does take them early, have her take the PSATs as well, because there are scholarships attached to them.

  21. nobomo, on September 6th, 2008 at 11:51 pm Said:

    Ummm….well articulated.
    thank you Dr. long for sending it.

    I will print it and keep reding it every day ….just in case my resolve to vote for McCain/Palin weakens…..

    Because that is how I felt when I heard the name Palin…

    McCain listened to ME….

    ___________________

    I’m ashamed to say I never even bothered to research her when her name was listed because I didn’t think JM would choose a woman. I’m involved, I demand equality, but it just didn’t even occur to me.

    I secretly rooted for Hillary. I cried when she was bypassed. When I woke up looking for info on whether JM announced, and saw Romney out, Pawlenty out, my heart sunk lower than low, I was convinced he chose Tom Ridge. Then up popped Sarah Palin’s name, Sarah who???? I Googled, and I liked what I saw.

    What I didn’t expect was the emotion I felt. The repressed thoughts that while we’re good enough for the Assembly (Nevada’s first woman elected was a Republican), that not only did we appoint a black man as Secretary of State (Colin Powell), we then appointed a black woman, and we’re used and sometimes abused as volunteers, it just never occurred to me that my Party would finally take that next step.

    I won’t deny I had broke down in tears that we had finally made that next step. I’m not the only Republican woman walking around with a stupid smile on my face that I can’t erase. I also give huge credit to Hillary Clinton. I know SP is a maverick and I know she’s a great addition to the ticket, but JM is also a politician and he would go with the person who will help most. In my state, it would have been Romney. Period.

    I think he found someone who won’t put up with any tantrums, he found someone who is as strong as his mother, and he found someone that conservatives will like (I’m not exactly a conservative). I think he found someone who will fight for women and respect them for their accomplishments, not their gender.

  22. In late 2007 the Alaska Supreme Court overturned a parental notification law that was enacted in 1977 in Alaska. Palin so far has not taken any action to introduce legislation to revisit the issue. I do not think legislative activism on these types of issues is of interest to her. She holds her religious beliefs, but she does not seek to legislate them. Her forte is energy issues.

  23. Both Stanford and John Hopkins have….have…great programs. Whatever, it’s late! Best of luck to you and your daughter, RD. It is good you are navigating all these academic channels now. It is brutal out there.

  24. samanthasmom, Palin may be running for Vice President, not President, but given the regularity with which men in their 70s die or become disabled, she could easily become president before McCain’s first term is completed. I don’t think our daughters or our sons for that matter will be better off if someone as inexperienced as Palin (or Obama)has their hand on the nuclear button. I don’t view this as a remote possibility; it’s something I take very seriously.

    katiebird, I tend to agree with you that Obama is unelectable; but only time will tell. There is simply no question that his nomination victory is illegitimate. But in my opinion, pretending Sarah Palin is something that she isn’t, doesn’t make any of this any better.

  25. The premise is accurate yet I tend to hold back a bit. Voting for a candidate just because she is a woman is akin to voting for a candidate because he is black.

    I need to see and hear more of Sarah before the whole idea of voting that ticket becomes more palatable. I don’t want to become a “Sarahbot” without having questions and answers at least posed before I can feel wholly comfortable. The Obamabots are onboard without having a clue to who and what they support. I don’t want to be included in that category before I know what I am getting.

    Dr. Long does a fine job establishing the route that Hillary had to walk and the abuse she suffered. And though Sarah may not be the top of the ticket, she is very much integral to its success because of the age of Sen McCain.

  26. I fully support and second Dr. Long’s statements. Thanks, RD, for drawing our attention to the letter.

  27. wigwag, somehow I feel more comfortable with Palin with her finger on the button than Obama. He may be tempted to use it against those pesky voters in kentucky and west virginia.

  28. “He may be tempted to use it against those pesky voters in kentucky and west virginia.”

    Ain’t that the truth, GCH.

  29. Whoever has their finger on the button, could they at least ask that it make a detour over the DNC while en route? Thanks.

  30. I agree that progress can come from the strangest quarters.

    I don’t buy the hypothetical question about Phyllis Schlafly upthread. In flat-out woman-hating hypocrisy, Schafly is closer to the Kossacks than the current Republican ticket. I have been impressed with the professional behavior of McCain, Palin, Carly Fiorina and the rest of their campaign thus far.

  31. Clinton limits Palin criticism while campaigning

    NEW YORK – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton marched for labor and stumped with Democrats on Saturday, but sidestepped questions about the woman who has taken her place as the nation’s most-talked-about female leader.

    Clinton brushed aside questions about Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin during appearances at New York City’s annual Labor Day parade and later during a stop on Staten Island.

    news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080907/ap_on_el_pr/hillary_rodham_clinton

  32. My sentiments exactly. Gender trumps agenda this time.

    The fact that McCain was flying commercial and carrying his own bags a year ago proves to me that he’s really bucked the system and fought his own party. If many Republicans hate him, that’s a good thing in my book. Good that Harry Reid despises him, too. Let’s add Nazi Pelosi for a trifecta.

    He’s the most left-leaning Republican, has foreign policy knowledge and a strong military background. Right now, he’s more of a Democrat than many SuperDelegates in my book.

    The fact that he chose a strong female vice-president is icing on the cake. To be man enough to pick a woman is strength. I’ll not have to hold my nose when I pull the McCain/Palin lever.

    I’ll support Hillary first always, and this will help her in 2012. I can certainly live with my decision. After all, I have my own self-respect to think about, even if the Democratic Party chose not to show us any at all.

  33. Pat @ 12:31a: ROFLMAO! That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in weeks in the blogosphere.

  34. Lovely letter.. expresses a large part of my thoughts and feeling .. I am absolutely voting for McCain Palin … i was going to hold my nose and vote that way , but with Sarah on the ticket I will be smiling . Thank you RD

  35. Well, WigWag —

    I’m not pretending anything about Sarah Palin. I honestly like listening to her nailing Obama. She’s the first person to be free to do it and it’s fun to hear. Just fun.

    IF I vote for McCain it’ll likely be for spite, not Sarah.

  36. George W. Bush has had his finger on the button for eight years. I regard him and Obama as much more worrisome than Palin. Both suffer from the same arrogance and entitlement which Palin conspicuously lacks.

  37. McCain: Man Enough to Pick a Woman. Oooh, that could really annoy Barack!

  38. This part got me:

    You can’t legislate for women, without women.

    Studies have repeatedly shown that in countries where more women are in high government positions, the lives of women improve, regardless of the ideology or politics of the women in power That does not mean that every single one of those women does good, or enacts legislation for women. It means that the way the society views and treats women improves across the board, in general.

    And this:

    Little girls won’t understand if Sarah Palin is pro-life or pro-choice, believes in gun control or is a member of the NRA, but they will know the Vice-President of the United States of America is a girl and that alone will alter their perceptions of themselves.

    This is one reason why the “only pro-choice, liberal women need apply” canard holds no water for me any more.

    LISTEN UP!! This is IMPORTANT!!

    Why do you think we have been struggling for so long to eke out any real choice protections, the ERA, equal pay, etc? It is partly, I believe, because we live in a culture that is still at its core dismissive of women. It is not ONLY that the powers that be disagree with our goals, it;s that they see no need to consider women’s goals in general.

    Changing that culture is a huge part of the battle. Bigger even than any specific pro-woman bill or law. Changing that culture will, in the long run, help us get our needs addressed, just by virtue of the fact that we will be seen differently. on a gut and fundamental level.

    And women in high office, whether they share our legislative agenda or not, are still a positive and feminist step BECAUSE THEY CHANGE THAT CULTURE.

  39. IF I vote for McCain it’ll likely be for spite, not Sarah.

    katiebird: Me too. The only consolation I have is that I may not have to depending on the way my state polling will show in November. There is too much that separates me entirely from the GOP to just hand over my vote unless forced.

  40. It’s not that McCain said yes, it’s that Obama said no. He could have easily chosen Hillary as VP and united the party. He didn’t and that shows what type of person he is. He is the type of person I never want to be President. It’s not about us to him-it’s about him.

  41. And women in high office, whether they share our legislative agenda or not, are still a positive and feminist step BECAUSE THEY CHANGE THAT CULTURE.

    Except they were missing in action this year.

  42. I may feel “dirty” and grossed out like I just got stone drunk and slept with some ugly guy,

    You just took me on a walk down Memory Lane!

  43. WMCB- Right on!

  44. My family, Black American, have never voted for a republican in our entire life and ironically it was republicans that freed the slaves, signed off on legislation to give women the right to vote and the first woman in congress was republican. However, we are so afraid of Obama, because of all his questionable associations, lost paper trail and flip-flopping that we first thought we would not vote at all this election and then we remembered the suffering that previous generations encountered for us to have the right to vote that it would not be a option. So, when McCain selected Palin for his VP and we learned about her it made it so much easier to vote for him. Secondly, McCain is not your normal republican in respect to standing alone and he really really respect Hillary and we believe both of them, McCain and Palin will respect womens rights and consentrate on issues facing the world today. Believe us, Obama is not the one..

  45. Hopefully here in MA one of two things can happen where I don’t have to do it:

    1. McCain is far enough ahead – and I want to say by at least 8 points – that I don’t have to vote GOP.

    2. Or Obama has such a tremendous lead that my vote either way won’t make a difference.

    If the margin is slim, I will then have to hold my nose and do it because no way, no how, Obama.

  46. WigWag, The point is that if Obama wins the election, his inexperienced finger is on the button on day one. Should John McCain die in office, Palin will have served as VP for awhile before her finger is there. It’s either going to be McCain or Obama not matter how we vote. There are no other viable choices.

  47. We can count on Barry and his surrogates to play the race .
    Rumor (LIE)That Palin Called Obama ‘Sambo’ Spreading Across Internet
    By Terry Trippany (Bio | Archive)

    A new whisper campaign is forming in the blogosphere and creeping into web search engines across the internet as a self proclaimed e-zine called “LA Progressive” is spreading a false rumor that Sarah Palin called Barack Obama ‘Sambo’ while dining in an Alaska restaurant. Charley James, the author of the article that is unlikely to have his blogspot site shut down for Obama bias, also claims through ‘anonymous sources’ that Palin called Hillary Clinton a “b#^@h” in the same breath. It is getting pretty desperate out there.

    Don’t like the polls huh Barry bots? so pull out the ole race card/

    Fuck you and the race card, you reprehensible pieces of FILTH
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  48. RD – you got a shout-out from MoDo writing about Palin and Clinton:

    The two women are both aggressive pols who take disagreement personally, accruing a body count of rivals, and who have been known to exaggerate their accomplishments. But in ideological terms, the gun-toting hockey mom and the shot-swilling Warrior Queen of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pantsuits are opposites.

  49. I think we’re getting off the track. Sarah Palin was chosen for the VP position because she is the Republican’s best and final answer to derail the Obama/Biden train.

    The Republicans stealthfuly used a Democratic strength of misogyny to derail them to their horror. This is a Saul Alinsky, Sun Tzu strategy. It’s not all that cerebral and not incumbent on us to delve too much into Sarah Palin’s psyche or the merits of looking into her IQ Score.

    What we have in common with her is we are all women. She’s rational, thoughtful, compassionate and has a fundmental core based in logic when it comes to female and family issues.

    I don’t agree with her saying, this is God’s War with Iraq..that tome is a little over the top. I am not a believer King Constantine was a WAR monger strictly for our own benefit.

    However, I believe, Sarah Palin is someone we can work with because she understands, even though she’s further Right than McCain, women and she stands head and shoulders over our candidates who are in this election for themselves.

    As I said on Murphy’s blog, I’ve written my first piece that may be an oversimplification of Lynette’s letter, but it does include Hillary in the equation. I’d appreciate you guys giving your opinion on my conclusions at my site here:

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/

  50. Off-topic, I know, but the Urban Legends Reference Pages (snopes.com) says the “Wasilla Letter” about Palin really was written by Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

    No comment on the content of the letter, just noting that the letter itself is legit.

  51. Before this past primary season I was a very loyal democrat, believing they were fighting for women’s rights. That has been shatterered for me. The degree of vile garbage that came from fellow democrats was eye opening. I’m voting for John and Sarah as an anti-“new”democratic vote.

    Plus, it gives me a lot of pleasure thinking about Palin above Pelosi.

  52. how many men ran for president and never had experience as govenor/mayor. Bill clinton – govenor…not sure where carter was prior to prez, bush had govenor…..so since paylin has mayor and govenor this makes HER unqualified to run the country because why? she’s a woman? I’m voting McCain long before he names Palin. I am not a one issue voter and I think Palin will do wonders! She would be a more experienced president over obama. Not sure I’m understanding why people think she couldn’t be pres if mccain dies….oh well doesn’t matter. i’m voting mccain! obama would ruin this country!

  53. WMCB: “This is one reason why the “only pro-choice, liberal women need apply” canard holds no water for me any more.”

    I saw a female conservative talking head on the tee vee last week (one I normally vehemently disagree with) saying something quite similar. She pointed out, at least from her perspective, that liberal feminists are only willing to stand up for other liberal women and if a conservative woman is taking the heat of sexism and misogny, well, that just seems fine by them. I thought about what she said, and it made me sad to realize she was likely right. That hypocrisy has to change.

    I have stood up for Palin around the blogosphere this past week, not for her policies, but for the nasty sexism being lobbed at her. I was mostly met with, “but she wants to take away my……blah blah blah (fill in the blank)” and Palin received little sympathy. I found that deeply disturbing.

  54. Amen, WMCB!

    Great letter by Dr. Long. This ceiling is going to HAVE to be shattered into a gazillion pieces before little girls like RD’s daughter will truly be treated equally. I think John McCain truly understands this point.

  55. Charles: The exception being that this year the “empowerment” of Democratic women in legislative roles went AWOL. Had they put as much effort into defending Hillary Clinton as the Repug women are doing on behalf of Sarah, the outcome may have been different. The silence from the women on this side of the aisle was deafening.

  56. Let’s start a rumor that Obama called Palin a bitch – oh… that’s probably true.

  57. phoenix – that letter was written buy an obot. CNN and others have over 30 attorney’s in Alaska trying to dig dirt up on sarah. So far nothing. I don’t believe anything i read anymore since Obama has over 600 paid bloggers to write smears! When in the hell are these attorney’s going to vet obama. If they would have done this vetting 19 months ago, Hillary would be running. Everyone is still turning their heads.

  58. PJ: But you can bet the house Michelle has!

  59. joanna4McCain: It is hard to turn your head when it is either buried in the sand or stuck up Obama’s ass.

  60. Pat, what I am talking about is not helping get a specific woman in office, it is changing the way society sees women.

    Your focus is too tight. The change of which I speak is a macro goal. Hill getting elected, and supported in that, is a micro goal.

  61. Ha!

  62. Long’s article must have hit a nerve – the trolls have started.

  63. Thanks, joanna4McCain, no doubt you are right. I made no comment about the content and neither did snopes.com. If it’s complete BS I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

    My only point was that a real person named Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, Alaska, does acknowledge having written the letter.

  64. Cannonfire has a good post about that letter. Link in blogroll.

  65. Ha to Pat’s comment…

  66. Thanks, joanna4McCain, no doubt you are right. I made no comment about the content and neither did snopes.com. If it’s complete BS I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

    My only point was that a real person named Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, Alaska, does acknowledge having written the letter.

  67. wideawake – Sarah Palin believes a woman’s place is in the home? Maybe in a certain house . . .

  68. I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Long. And quite frankly, I know what Palen’s views are, and it doesn’t matter to me. I say that for 2 reasons:

    1-I cannot and will not vote for Obama. I will not endorse what the dems did this year, or they will do it every time. We will never again have a say as to who our nomineee is. He is illegitimate. And the dem party has become corrupt and undemocratic. I cannot and will not condone that by voting for them. And I will not give them the chance to squeek through by not actively voting for their opponent, since I at least believe he cares about the country and won’t be another George Bush.

    2-I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way we are ever going to break that damn glass ceiling is to just bite the bullet and support the first woman who has the chance. No, she is not pro-choice. No, she is not a democrat. But we may never get another democrat of that description if we never break the damn thing to start with! Since the dems don’t deserve our vote this year, and since most of us refuse to enable them, why not do something positive for ourselves – i.e., make it easier for the next woman democrat to run (and hope that it will be Hillary in ’12)? The more women we see in government the better. I completely agree with Dr. Long. We need to make it so common to see women in government that there is never a question. Then we’ll start to see our issues addressed.

    Incidentally, I don’t believe that Palen is the hard right winger that so many Obots are screaming about. If you look really closely at her record and what she has actually said, she is not an idealogue.

  69. Here, here! I am voting for Sarah Palin based on the content of her character. Since I was voting McCain in the absence of Hill, Sarah is just the frosting on the cake.

  70. And just to add to my last comment, I think a third point is the fact that if women were to ever vote in mass about something – anything – it would definitely get noticed. And it would give us a power we don’t now have. If they can always get us in line (whether the right or the left) simply by screaming abortion, we don’t have any power. That enables them to ignore all our other issues. And quite frankly, as a 55 year old lesbian, there are other issues that are more important to me personally. Every day I hear men like Alan Colmes insist that Hillary voters will not vote for Palin. He believes that. Obama believes that. All the dems believe that. I think we should make all their stupid heads explode this election. How dare they tell us what we will or will not do! How dare they tell us who we will vote for and what is important to us! They don’t have the right to speak for us, and it’s about damn time we tell them that.

  71. Yes, CognitiveDissonance,

    We have to start somewhere. Besides, I don’t even recognize the Dem party anymore. I don’t trust them at all.

  72. I’m disappointed in some of my friends. I mean, yeah, I hear them, she’s pro-life and a Repub. I get it. But she’s still a woman, and yes, breaking that barrier is important. I wish they would just argue that her philosophy outweighs the good of breaking the glass ceiling, then to act like there is no positive at all. I am under no illusions that Palin would be a disappointment for me as a woman. I know she probably will be after Nancy Pelosi. But, the idea that there is no good to the advancement of women, just frosts my cookies.

  73. wide awake-Got the names of those 3 witnesses? I’ve never read the name of even one witness who would verify that story. We don’t take kindly to smears at this site.

  74. Cognitive

    If it helps the organization Sarah is part of contributed to give the Violence Against Women Act, Child Support Enforcement Act, and are working on getting the Elizabeth Cady Stanton Pregnant and Parenting Student Support Act. She isn’t the enemy. We can find some common ground and continue to fight hard in the areas we disagree with her.

  75. Nomorednc: Secondly, McCain is not your normal republican in respect to standing alone and he really really respect Hillary and we believe both of them, McCain and Palin will respect womens rights and consentrate on issues facing the world today.

    _____________________

    I’m going to respectfully disagree. Normal Republicans agree with a lot of his “bucking” the system. It’s the hijackers of our party that get in the news and make all of us look right wing. All most of us ask for is responsible government. No problem on programs for social issues, so long as they’re held accountable. Many of us disagree with the Patriot Act (our State Platform actually opposes it), but I’m worried the hijackers will get that changed. I could go on.

    I’ve learned from this blog that real Democrats are not the tax and spend, not the go easy on the criminals because they’re people too (it child molesting, not rape, thus cutting 20 years off their sentence), not the I hate America, people I thought they were.

    I have a newfound respect for people in our country, and a newfound disrespect for political campaigns in this country.

  76. Heh Wide……..yeah I’m sure Sarah is just some duped female that Dobson is using without her knowledge. Don’t insult her or our intelligence please.

  77. masslib: “I wish they would just argue …”

    So much for the new BO post-partisan era.

  78. #
    joanna4McCain, on September 7th, 2008 at 1:03 am Said:

    phoenix – that letter was written buy an obot. CNN and others have over 30 attorney’s in Alaska trying to dig dirt up on sarah. So far nothing. I don’t believe anything i read anymore since Obama has over 600 paid bloggers to write smears!

    _________________________

    I know all of you think that Repugs have money up the ying-yang, we don’t. What amazes me is that we can’t afford to hire “activists” yet the DNC can: http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/gov/824658637.html

    I know it’s Move On paying, but isn’t the whole point of activism a volunteer job? Because you want to effectuate change?

  79. Cal, it’s really disappointing.

  80. masslib, I know. And it saddens me…a lot. BO has ripped this party into a million little pieces. Who sent him??

  81. Glad to meet you Republican Woman – I thought you were spot on.

  82. wide: “you women” ?

    Well, thank you Ross Perot.

  83. wide awake, get bent. No one will blame Hill at this point if Obama loses. SActually, she did him a huge favor. Hannity would still be sitting on those Rev Wright tapes if the primary hadn’t continued. But, if BO loses, in the most Dem year of the last 40, they will blame him, and say he should put Hill on the ticket.

  84. No, wide awake, quite frankly, you and all the other blind Obots are the ones who have been duped for the past year. We aren’t going to support your messiah, no matter what you think Sarah Palin or John McCain will do. Why don’t you go back to your DailyKos playpen and spread your rumors there. I’m sure they’ll be eaten up there.

  85. Sure wide, I’m just a ignorant low information Appalachian voter who is easily duped. LOL

    I don’t hate you, I don’t know you. As for being mad why waste my precious energy on something liable to give me heartburn. That revenge thing, not my style.

    That said, I will be voting against Obama and for McCain. If you want to hate me, be mad at me or take out your revenge……be my guest. Feel free to place the blame on the DNC and Barack Obama though. They get the majority of the blame for why I will be voting as I am.

  86. wide, talk about being duped – or bamboozled if you will.

  87. What to do??? what to do??

  88. According to Gallup polls on the issue of choice, when Americans were polled the majority (72-75%) wanted to keep the right to choose. If only men are polled, it is the same. When only women are polled, it is the same. The right to choose isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

    Doesn’t matter if Sarah is VP or not. No politician is going to lose an election because they backed a law to take the right to choose away. That is why it is still a law. Time to settle down and stop letting politicians use it to keep Democratic and Republican women in line.

    I have an undergraduate degree in engineering physics, and a graduate degree in environmental engineering. From experience, I know that the right to chose is not the only right women need to be working on.

    I had to fight to get my daughter into advanced math. Her school keeps trying to put her in the lowest math class despite the fact that she repeatedly gets a 99% A every quarter in the lower math class. She has been in Algebra for two years now, but every year they try to put her back in the regular math class.

    They wonder why girls don’t like Math or Science?
    As a 13 year old in an advanced science class, I was sexually harassed by the boys because they said I shouldn’t be there. I don’t mean gently harassed either. They called me every vile name you can think of, and grabbed my body repeatedly. I was so ashamed to be a girl. I finally kicked the sh*t out of one or two, and it stopped.

    But I will never forget, and that is why I will not vote for the democratic ticket. They are sexist pigs.

    Sarah has more experience governing than Obama. If she was the president tomorrow she would be a save bet. Obama will is not. Because of his character, he never will be. He doesn’t listen. He behaves the same way Bush does.

  89. wide awake, go back to sleep.

  90. Can we have a mop brigade please?

  91. “There are 300 million people in this country; you’re telling me you can’t find ten qualified women?” His responded, “You can’t have that.”

    In a nutshell = Geroge W. Bush, “I’m the decider. I decide.”

  92. For all the gnashing of teeth from professional Dems , I just don’t see much practical difference between Barry and McCain…in that Barry will not fight for the democratic ideals we are told we imperil if we don’t vote for him . They forget that part when they speak of the “differences ” between Barry and McCain…yeah there are sharp differences between Dem and GOP positions….but I don’t see Barry doing a dang thing about defending those positions. Really have we seen him do anything but give speeches , get in a snit and eat waffles? Why wouldn’t he just follow Nancy’s lead in all things and keep caving in to the GOP? Isn’t that why the DNC wanted him se badly?

    I also take issue that Palin is just inexperienced as Barry. A : she isn’t running for the top job and B : She has worked!! She has worked successfully as a gov …Lordy! I see a world of differences between those two!

    and newsflash, I don’t care who’s baby it is

    The Bush government is dumping Fannie Mac and Fannie Mae onto the government debt and making their shares fairly worthless. Many pension funds invested in them….I suggest this is more important than anything the MSM is babbling about .

  93. Tellurian wrote: “The Republicans stealthfuly used a Democratic strength of misogyny to derail them to their horror.”

    Exactly. If we noticed that Obama had mommy issues you can bet the Republicans did too–probably long before we did.

  94. See you zany kids tomorrow. My laptop battery is about to die. G’night!

  95. Amen Charles!

  96. Hi Pat…

    Looks like we may have to take that walk.

  97. Night Joan

  98. WigWag, on September 6th, 2008 at 11:51 pm Said:
    The obvious question to Ms Long is whether she would feel the same way if, say, Phyllis Schlafly was the Republican nominee for Vice President.

    Maybe, if we had voted for a “Phyllis Schlafly” back in the day, when we thought she was the worst person in the world, we might have more choices now instead of the frustrating situation of a singular female candidate. I, for one, am tired of having the perfect be the enemy of the good.

  99. Charles: none have the star power of Hillary.
    ——————————————————————————-
    I feel like Hillary must have the day she was seated talking with those journalists about being pressured to drop out. (It was the day she made the remark about the California primary being in June recalling Bobby’s assassination).

    She said, right before that remark, “I don’t understand it.”

    Neither do I. I really don’t understand it.

  100. Anyone who rewards the DNC with a vote for Obama is supporting the party’s
    corruption. Soros’ funds Nancy Ps PAC, and she funneled it to the supers
    to swing the election (what wasn’t already swung psychologically by the media that sells Obama like he is Bush or the Iraq War,
    gamed caucuses, and the phony punishment of states that counted a great
    deal for Hlllary that who were forced to move their primaries forward by Republican legislatures (as opposed to those that benefited BO, which were ignored).

    I lost all respect for Gloria Steinem when she dumped Hillary and jumped
    on the Bama bandwagon a few days after Hillary was forced to suspend. Forced to suspend. Weren’t you outraged, Gloria? Obviously, not.

    Where was Steinem when Hillary was told repeatedly to quit and the media
    was trashing her as a woman? Nowhere? She’s a closet Obama supporter, he of the 99 problems and a b*tch isn’t one of them, purveyor of r*ce cards
    and sexism,
    and therefore she is no feminist. Gloria Allred obviously has no concern for justice
    if she can jump on the bandwagon of the intimidators and cheaters. A stolen nomination period.

    My Hillary Diehard group was hooting and hollering when Sarah took on
    Bambi. The first time the fraud has been exposed on TV. And her audience was huge. The Republicans are reliving Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
    Now they just have to hold a mirror up to Chicago corruption. Maybe a video tour of Obama’s non-U. of Chicago/Hyde Park district would be instructive. The part that is bombed out that Rezko and Davis exploited for financial gain would be interesting.

  101. #
    PJ, on September 7th, 2008 at 1:30 am Said:

    Glad to meet you Republican Woman – I thought you were spot on.
    #

    Thanks PJ, I’m beginning to think I’m not a Republican, but that I’m a person.

  102. I love history. George Bush Sr gave us David Souter, the first opportunity he could. Bush Sr, aka “Mr. Rubbers” in the TX Senate went from pro-family planning to pre-Evangelical to closeted pro-choice to pro-Evangelical to whatever.

    I don’t believe McCain is ideologically driven to overturn Roe V Wade. I don’t think Obama is ideologically driven to preserve it. And I don’t give a shit what Palin thinks because she is not running for President. The odds that McCain will live another four years are pretty damn good.

  103. Nobomo…. “Because that is how I felt when I heard the name Palin… McCain listened to ME.”

    **stands and applauds**

    Finally someone gets how I feel.

    I don’t “do” invisible very well. I shouldn’t have to either. I am a fighter – I will not leave the top of the ticket blank; they will not rob me of my voice, my vote, yet again.

    In case you guys don’t know… I am African American, and I have had countless…countless other AA’s come to me and tell me they are crossing party lines and voting for the AA at the top of the Dem. ticket – independents, republicans, you name it. AA’s are willing to….no, are GOING to, cross party lines to do what they have to do to strike a blow against racism and racial inequality in America (whether they like Obama or not, whether they agree with Obama or not).

    Well… what’s the difference in me crossing party lines and voting for a woman? Why is it that we women don’t understand that we must do the same? We must do what we must to strike a blow against sexism.

    I am a strong successful woman. I own my own company. And I am ALWAYS called a bytch by both men and women whom I legitimately beat out of contract after contract. I have heard the nastiest of rumors about me getting ahead because “she probably slept with or paid off the right person” or some other such nonsense. Yet when one of the “boys” are successful they are patted on the back and hailed as uber intelligent. I am sick of it. Sick! I am an honorable, intelligent, hard working woman who is tired of the sexism, and my vote this year is going to make sure that I do my part to ensure that my kids, and my grandkids don’t have to endure the same.

    I’ve always said to my husband that sexism is more rampant than racism, but only recently did he start believing me….. he’s seen for himself now.

    McCain/Palin 08

  104. WOW!!!! What a great post! Their is so much truth in what Dr. Long says in her letter. I don’t agree with most of Palin’s positions, but having women at the table is important, even if you don’t agree with them.

    I agree that democrats have no intentions of sharing power with women, any women, even democratic women. Their whole Roe v. Wade fear mongering all the time is clearly designed to keep us in line without letting us sit as the table. If Gloria Steinem wants to sit at the back of the bus go right ahead. I think that standing up to male power is the only way women will get any power or proportionate represenation.

    Women have to stand up to the democratic party and make it clear that we will take away our votes and will gamble in order to force them to share power with us. We are the majority of the democratic voters and as such we have a tramendus amount of power as long as we are willing to collectively wage it.. If we take a stand and refuse to cave to the fear mongering, we can force them to be accountable to us. They will only change if we stop voting for them and insist on fair represenation.

  105. Charles, I know – there are PUMA leaders that are men (add Matt to that list) and even were interviewed on msm before/during the convention and the official story of the PUMA profile remains very narrow not reflecting the diversity we see here.

    Well I guess it all fits in with their PUMA census: There are very few of us (Chuck Schumer said after the nomination). I used to like him, but he is the other NY senator and did nothing to defend Hillary.

    So PUMA is only a few hundred women between 65 and 75.

    Claptrap!

  106. Wide Awake – If you have spent anytime at all on this or similar sites, you’d realize that we represent a cross-section of Americans who, in some cases for the first time, have had to do an incredible amount of soul searching around our individual and common values, what democracy and “party” means for the future of our country and how we are/are not empowered to leave a legacy of a better world to our children. You may choose to disagree with what is said here, but you’re blinded by your own prejudices if you can’t recognize that we see what is and speak for what will be.

  107. If Obama is elected the Democratic Party will be the part of misogyny and corruption and there will no place for any of the Clinton dems, women or men.

  108. “I also take issue that Palin is just inexperienced as Barry. A : she isn’t running for the top job and B : She has worked!! She has worked successfully as a gov …Lordy! I see a world of differences between those two!”

    And she also sounds capable. It’s like, she knows she’s expected to know her stuff, so she does. Nobody thinks Obama is stupid, which makes it all the more frustrating that he flat out refuses to master the basic qualifications for the job. It’s like he knows that he’s not being held to any standard by his supporters except “Breathing With Penis,” so why should he bother to do anything but imitate GWB?

  109. May I respectfully say one thing, if you are going to vote for JM/SP, or even if you are going to skip the top of the ticket, can you please send an email, or fax a letter, that says I am PUMA but don’t take me for granted. I’ll be watching very closely. I’m not right wing, and I don’t want them to feel they are ever that more powerful.

    A note saying I supported you, but I’m not conservative right will go a very, very long way in the future of politics. This will make not only a difference nationally, but it will make a difference locally. No matter where you live.

  110. Good point Rep.Woman. Good point.

  111. Seriously: “…he flat out refuses to master the basic qualifications for the job. ”
    ———————————————————————————
    Like, um, knowing how many states there are?

    BTW – He thinks there are 58 – at the end of the video, he says something like ‘There’s one more.”

  112. I was thinking of becoming more knowledgeable about policy, but honestly, can you IMAGINE what would happen if any female politician had a screw up like that?

  113. Good idea, RW. I think that sane Republicans such as yourself would prefer your party not be given over to catering to the crazies, just as we sane Dems are disgusted that ours is catering to the worst elements of ours.

    We need all the sane people on both sides to hold the line against the loons and selfish power-mongers. And we need to let our leaders KNOW that we are out here.

  114. Obama is too busy giving us his “nuanced” views.

    I’d like some straight talk for a change.

  115. I agree, seriously, she appears to lack 2 qualities in which oblabla abounds, namely laziness and incuriousity. I fear the conservative agenda, but will attempt to gather up a certain amount of faith to vote Mccain. The alternative is hardly re-assuring and I see no way of defeating the fraud without voting MC/SP.

  116. Here is another article that echoes what Dr. Long wrote inher letter:

    A feminist’s argument for McCain’s VP by Tammy Bruce
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL&type=politics

  117. Obama is a hypocrite and a fraud. I’m voting for McCain and Palin.

    Go away mean spirited Trolls.

  118. #
    WMCB, on September 7th, 2008 at 2:21 am Said:

    Good idea, RW. I think that sane Republicans such as yourself would prefer your party not be given over to catering to the crazies, just as we sane Dems are disgusted that ours is catering to the worst elements of ours.

    We need all the sane people on both sides to hold the line against the loons and selfish power-mongers. And we need to let our leaders KNOW that we are out here.
    _________________

    Thanks. I’m seriously considering to change my party affiliation to non-partisan and then burying my head in the sand. I’m so tired of fighting the extremists. I only continue on because I can’t bear to see them win.

    If this ticket wins and turns extremist on me, I’m done. I honestly believe that JM/SP will not go that route. I just don’t know and I’ve already sent my letter.

    While I know how 10% can speak for the majority, on both sides, I just don’t believe that is what the other 90% want.

  119. “wide awake” with all due respect YOU wake up.

    Obama has treated his own wife and daughters cavalierly…Michelle has said as much on numerous occasions…he’s only ever been home on weekends…everything is subjected to him-first and the woman has to make the sacrifices.

    I’m not going to list allllll the occasions Obama has tolerated, aided or instigated sexist remarks. Do your own research…no, I don’t mean on the Obamablogs.

  120. CB,

    I love your post at 1:55am. You hit everything!!!!

  121. omg, another’s comments caused me to relook at “wide awake’s” post again.

    WA, you think OBAMA represents GAYS, THE ELDERLY AND THE POOR?????

    You are TRIPPING. Go bother people who, like you, have not done the research beyond swallowing the “brand.”

  122. Bamaky, nice try.

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/clearing-up-the-ridunkulous-rumors-soetorobamas-camp-has-been-spreading-about-sarah-palin/

    Go on, vote for Obama as you always planned to but don’t bring lies here.

  123. Molly Brown, thank you for sharing your story.

    I agree. No one, not even me, faults AAs for striking a blow against racism. But ridicule and abuse is heaped on women for the same.

  124. The Bush government is dumping Fannie Mac and Fannie Mae onto the government debt and making their shares fairly worthless. Many pension funds invested in them….I suggest this is more important than anything the MSM is babbling about .
    ======

    Excellent point, paper doll!!

  125. Bamaky: America seems to be filled with voters who can’t think for themselves. People who do what politicians tell them to just because they tell them to are sheep and deserve exactly the kind of governmental hangover they get January 20, 2009. I, however, don’t deserve your hangover. Stop sharing.

    And stop pinning it on Hillary. She wanted to keep her job. I have no idea what your excuse is. Have the good sense to own your own decisions. ‘Well, Hillary told me to,’ is a weak ass excuse. It means that while you may be of voting age, you have learned absolutely nothing about doing what is right even if it is hard, even if it is opposed to what you may be accustomed to.

  126. regency: are you in CA?

  127. Bamaky; Fuck off!

  128. Of my two “handicaps” being female put more obstacles in my path than being black.

    I’ve always met more discrimination being a woman than being black.

    Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman to serve in the United States Congress. An early education expert, Shirley Chisholm was elected to the New York Legislature in 1964 and to Congress in 1968. She ran for president in 1972, winning 152 delegates before she withdrew. Shirley Chisholm served in Congress until 1983. During her congressional career, Shirley Chisholm was noted for her support for women’s rights, her advocacy of legsislation to benefit those in poverty, and her opposition to the Vietnam war.

  129. Puma-SF: Didn’t get to go due to unforseen circumstances.

  130. “A feminist’s argument for McCain’s VP”

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL

  131. I agree. Gender is the basic defining characteristic, not skin colour. Men are automatically privileged over women in our culture, whatever “race” they are supposed to represent. A candidate who laughs at a reasonable request for equal representation is not a progressive.
    Steinem’s article struck me as patronising towards Palin. She was being used, the message was, she was just another handmaiden to a man and being manipulated. I look at Palin and I see a strong willed individual (whose views disgust me, but that’s another matter) who will not be used by anyone – so excluding her from criticism because “she’s a girl” struck me as unworthy and hypocritical of Steinem.

    As did her endorsement of Obama/Biden. I remember her endorsement of Hillary Clinton back in January, and comparing the two, I could not but feel that the rote praise of Obama rang hollow.

    As, indeed, Obama rings hollow.

    Whenever I can, I vote Green in elections. The global, international crises facing our entire species are ones only the Greens properly address with serious, necessary and ethical policies. If I had a vote in the US election, I would cast it for McKinney without hesitation.

  132. Great post and discussion!

    I agree with Dr Long. This is about sexism and now is the moment to take a stand. I cannot support BO or the DNC because of the way they have disrespected women and expected us to “just get over it.”

    I think Palin has much more experienced then BO. She has not only been a mayor and a governor, she has been a mother and wife. No one speaks to that because “women’s work” still has no value in our society.

  133. Excellent!

    I have copied the letter to my blog… where I am keeping track of women’s responses to this year’s election season.

    As has Dr. Long, I have been disappointed in Ms. Steinem.

  134. I too agree with Dr. Long. As a life long Democrat I simply cannot tolerate the corruption in my party any longer.

    As the grandmother of 7 girls and the great-grandmother of 2 more girls I do not want them to have to continue to fight for the right to be an equal. How long I asked 40 years ago. I’m still asking.

    I watched the special on Governor Palin on FOX last night with Greta Van Susteren. Did any of the rest of you see it? I found it informative and interesting.

    What struck me the most was when they showed the Palin family at home in their kitchen. There plainly visible was a bottle of ketchup and a mayo jar with a knife still in it. Coulda been my kitchen at any time when my kids were growing up. Doesn’t mean a damn thing politically, just an observation.

  135. Right on Lynette.You laid it all out there for all women to see.I fully intend to vote McCain/Palin exactly for all the reasons as you said and hope all women join in.I am sick and tired of being a door mat for the DNC and all the misogynist bullying men and back stabbing women in the ranks.I will not just take it any more and get over it and I do have a place to go, thank you very much.

    Women of America unite and stand together. There is power in numbers. We could rule the damn world if all women would come together.If Palin doesn’t win there will be a long long stretch before another viable woman is run.She has a chance to break that glass ceiling once and for all and open the door for all women to enter. What a great day it will be for all our daughters when that day comes.

    And what a testament to Hillary Clinton who got it started by standing up to the good old boys and never backing down. Let’s pass the torch to Sarah and help her reduce the sexist media to blathering bobble heads! Sweet Jesus! I can’t wait to see their big freaking ugly heads explode.

    Sarah must win. She must for all women.If she looses then she and Hillary will be held up as an example as to why a woman shouldn’t run.If Hillary and Sarah are not as qualified as the hopeless O’Barky then no woman will ever be.Women will be intimidated and will be attacked more rabidly than ever before just because they did it to Hillary and Sarah and got away with it.

    This is our moment women. Don’t throw this once in a life time chance away.We may never see this again in our lifes.I want to see a woman in power and since the Dems are more like the Reps I can deal with that.I believe McCain/Palin will listen more to us than Barky and Joe.McCain has worked with Kennedy and Hillary.

    The Reps have been in power for 8 years and they could have over turned Roe if they were so inclined. Don’t let them hold that over our heads. Besides the young women enraptured by BO could use a good wake up call.Most of them have no idea what their mothers and grandmothers had to fight for.And this election has shown us that much more needs to be done.

    Seize this opportunity women and let’s make history!Women united and standing proud can change the world for the better.We are Women/Puma hear us roar!

    McCain/Palin ’08
    Hillary 2012

  136. RD, I am a Professor of Mathematics and known internationally for my work in mathematics education. If I can be of direct help with your daughter, or put you in touch with others I know who might help, please contact me.

    The scenario you describe is, sadly, all too common. What I think happens is that many elementary and middle school teachers cannot believe that a girl can be, or is going to be, outstanding at mathematics. They themselves, aren’t, so it might be a face-saving attitude to dismiss the talents of other girls.

    Prejudice toward girls in mathematics and science runs very deep.

  137. Very true, Lynette! Those arguments offend me not only as a woman, but more powerfully as a mother. It’s almost like their partisanship trumps their very humanity.
    meanwhile, there were recent back and forth between the campaigns re: earmarks, The truth will shock you:
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/bridge-to-nowhere-who-voted-for-what/

  138. The day Palin was announced as McCain’s running mate, my office was buzzing. We don’t typically talk politics at the office because we all have differing views but that day it was different. “Did you hear? He picked a woman!” There was an excitement there that was very real, and that shouldn’t be ignored.

  139. It’s the mix of finally feeling acknowledged and the rampant hatred and fear of Palin on the left that’s making this liberal’s head explode enough to be considering McCain. If I hear one more person use the phrase “heartbeat away from the presidency!” in order to provoke fear of Palin, I’m going to flip out. Hello, who has been a heartbeat away from the presidency for 8 years? Do you mean to tell me that she’s scarier than Dick Cheney? Dick, my primary allegiance is to Halliburton and I don’t give a crap about your rights, Cheney? Where are your fearmongering emails on him, oh moveon.org?

  140. ladyprof,Hear hear. Right on!

  141. Excellent letter. Thanks for posting. And WMCB, excellent points. I agree wholeheartedly. In addition to breaking the glass, it’s a twofer: clean up the dem party and just maybe made the repub party saner.

    And being a cardinal (and math person), extra congratulations on your daughter getting into that program. It’s very sad it takes those extra efforts to get past the discrimination though.

  142. Great post. But I am amazed that people equate Sarah with Obama on experience and readiness to be CIC. Obama does not even begin to compare and Sarah is running for VP. I have absolutely no qualms if Sarah were to suddenly become not just VP but POTUS. She actually has a bi-partisan record and has actually brought about reforms. The Obama record is not just empty of any achievement that serves the common good, it is filled with activity that scares me—his community organizing view, his education reform views (worse than NCLB which was a Bush Kennedy brainchild) and his flip flopping on just about everything show a pathological inability to make a decision and follow it through. He has a track record of achievement in one thing only—-running for another office than the one he holds. I have seen this pattern before, worked with men who follow this pattern; they are all surface; gloss to gloss and sh### to Sh###. They achieve NOTHING beyond themselves. Not voting for Obama is not enough. He must be defeated with every ounce of possibility we have. Either McCain will be POTUS or Obama will be. You can help make the choice or sit on the sidelines. I am going to help make the choice, period.

  143. Thank you Dr. Long for this and ALL your work since the Primaries ended.
    I will defend Sarah Palin as a woman & have already begun. However at this point I feel like I just went thru a REALLY bad break-up & I can’t commit to a “RE-BOUND” vote or “not” vote.
    Obama has said in SO MANY ways to “US” Hillary supporters,
    “*usk *ou”! I will not vote him, that I DO KNOW!!

  144. Not only did Obama and the Dem’s commit Fraud and BLATANTLY ROB Hillary right in front of the world’s eyes…they didn’t even want to give Hillary her rightful credit that SHE had the majority of the popular votes “UNTIL” they needed her to hand over her delegates and supporters to Obama and yet STILL Hillary had to humiliate herself once again and fight so “They” the Obaminatons and Democrats ‘publicly” acknowledged and admitted that she was the rightful winner of the “Popular Vote” and a bargain had to be struck!!!

    They oh so disrespectfully passed her and her 18 million voters as ‘worthless and stupid’ like if they really couldn’t/wouldn’t catch on or simply and most probable…”THEY DID NOT CARE” that she had been humiliated over and over by her own party, the MSM and all those O FOLLOWERS and gangsters that have been funneling millions of dollars to the Obama Campaign!…

    It’s interesting to note that although Obama has had three times as much campaigning money and has been able to virtually buy all the media and on almost every major media website you see a “SMUG FACED O-BANNER that goes directly to his website”…Hillary still beat him on the popularity vote…”the People’s vote”! And Now so will McCain and Palin…

    Oh and Now “THEY” are begging for Hillary and you/us to respect them and “unite” the party and give O the vote…The only vOte he gets is to nO!

    This is not a race of True Democracy…At best it is microcosm of the unbearable epidemic that men perpetrate in their home base to their wives on a daily basis with the same principles of cheating, lying, fraud and blatant disrespect and sexism that makes them think that it’s okay and funny because they think that they are “Above The “Relationship” Law” and are not going to get caught because they belong to “The Secret Men’s Clubs” or secondly because their wives will be too weak or dependent and forgive them and put up with them if they do get caught!

    WELL NO…NO MORE…THIS ABUSE MUST STOP NOW!!!

    These men in power are still playing by those filthy rules but this time they sought to cheat “MILLIONS” of women at the same time and THOUGHT They would get away with it! They cheated the only candidate of their party to be qualified enough to be POTUS because she was a WOMAN!!!…and they still believed they could brush it under the rug and snort and snicker like the bigoted pigs they are when they do it at home too..

    WELL NEWSFLASH…YOU GUY’s GOT CAUGHT COMMITTING VOTERS FRAUD AND THE WORLD IS WATCHING AND WE WOMEN ARE ESPECIALLY WAITING TO DELIVER THE SMACKDOWN TO OBAMA AND SMACK AWAY ALL THE “HYPNOTIC-TRANCE CRAP” SPEWING OUT OF HIM AND HIS DEVOTED “FOLLOWERS”!!!

    I VOTE McCAIN/PALIN AND I WILL VOTE HILLARY IN THE NEAR FUTURE!

    McCain/Palin 08
    Hillary 2012

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  145. Good Morning. Read Lynettes letter. Compelling.

    In Yahoo news, “Obama rolls up his sleeves, hits hard”

    Yup. when pols remove their jackets and roll sleeves up…”Just as slob like one of us”

  146. If I had waited for a candidate that supported every issue I did I would still be waiting to cast my first vote.

    If men waited for a candidate that believed in every issue they did before voting they would still be waiting to vote.

    The Democratic party is in this mess because neither the female or the male party leaders took their job any more seriously than the guy they appointed took his Senate jobs. And the difference in these two candidate can be summed up by these words of Dr. Long

    “a small group of Clinton supporters met with Senator McCain and Carly Fiorina. I personally explained to Senator McCain that women comprise well over half of the population…I asked him loudly and clearly to choose a woman for the VP slot and to increase the number of women in the cabinet and on the Supreme Court.”

    and this

    “Representatives of The New Agenda also met with Carly Fiorina and as well as representatives from the Obama campaign to
    make similar requests.”

    They never got a chance to loudly and clearly tell him anything. He sent his “No” through campaign staff. McCain gave a loud and clear YES.

    Palin has done nothing wrong, she deserves the chance to serve We the People every bit as much, and perhaps more if we knew the whole truth about him, as Obama does. And, if our government sends our sons and daughters to die for our freedom, the least these men running that government can do is let us have it.

    The Obama political message is to divide and conquer. But remember this bit of wisdom from one of our genius founding fathers Benjamin Franklin: “We must hang together, or we will assuredly hang separately.” Especially in November 2008.

  147. Jangles, love your analysis:

    “The Obama record is not just empty of any achievement that serves the common good, it is filled with activity that scares me—his community organizing view, his education reform views (worse than NCLB which was a Bush Kennedy brainchild) and his flip flopping on just about everything show a pathological inability to make a decision and follow it through. He has a track record of achievement in one thing only—-running for another office than the one he holds. I have seen this pattern before, worked with men who follow this pattern; they are all surface; gloss to gloss and sh### to Sh###. They achieve NOTHING beyond themselves”
    ***************

    Community organizing is in and of itself not bad in my opinion. I’m wondering what you mean by “his community organizing view.” Otherwise I think I understood your comment. This is what disturbs me about Obama too.

  148. My arguement. Vote. A vote not cast is a vote not counted.

    I’m not going to say who to vote for. That’s your decision to make.

    My own decision will be either write-in or one of the independent candidates because I want the democratic party to know how angry I am about the disrespect shown and the betrayal after voting for them the last 24 years. But be sure I WILL vote.

  149. I have come to the same conclusion at Dr. Long — as things stand (unless things change a lot), I will be voting McCain/Palin in November. And, this is the toughest decision I have ever made as a former, lifelong Democrat.

    I came to that conclusion a little differently than Dr. Long, but there is nothing about what she has said that I disagree with.

    My belief is that you can’t reward the DNC’s dictatorial style and dismissal of democracy by voting for a Democrat at the top of the ticket. There is no such thing as a “benevolent dictatorship,” and I will NOT be held hostage by the DNC based on their fear-mongering about Republican polices. That is classic dictatorship methodology.

    So, my war cry these days is “you can’t put lipstick on a dictatorship and call it a democracy.” IMHO, It is so fundamental that it surpasses any other policy consideration, period.

    You can read more about my decision, if you wish. You know where to find my blog.

    To Dr. Long and others who are making that difficult choice to not reward the DNC for its wayward behavior, I laud you and support you and wish the best for you, because I know it is not easy to go down that road, but it is necessary.

    If the Democrats had not given up all the high moral ground this time around, if they had lived by principles, I would NOT be able to make this decision this way. However, this time around, they shot themselves in both feet. They have no moral high ground to stand on anymore. They have compromised all the things that they used to hold dear — democratic processes, voting integrity, gender equality, delegate respect.

    Winning is not everything. Principles count. The ends do no justify the means. There is not such thing as a “benevolent dictatorship.”

  150. >>>>The obvious question to Ms Long is whether she would feel the same way if, say, Phyllis Schlafly was the Republican nominee for Vice President.

    Has Palin made executive decisions solely based on her religious views? Would Alaskans have elected a rightwing extremist as governor?
    Throughout the primary, Obama exhibited his ideology of Black Liberation Theology – taught at Trinity Church – through his “brushing Hillary off” the bottom of his shoe, his continual race-baiting, falsely accusing the Clintons of racism, etc.

    Obama’s religious ideology is much more harmful than anything Palin has exhibited in her role as an elected official.
    imho

  151. I think it’s McCain Palin for me.

  152. So, why are we *constantly* talking about John McCain dropping dead? Democrats – Obama supporters mostly – talk about this all the time. What would they say if McCain/Palin supporters started talking about Barack Obama not making it to the end of his presidency because of an assassin’s bullet? We have a longer history of assassinated Presidents than of those that die of natural causes during their term. (Have any Presidents died in the White House of natural causes?) Would this conversation be to the Obama-supporters’ liking?

  153. Lynette Long’a letter captures my sentiments exactly I might add my belief is that a women must now sit in the White House as the Democratic Primary has done great damage to women’s standing in the work place..

  154. rd, thank you for posting this. Thank you even more for allowing us to explain our thoughts when they differ from yours.

    This was posted today on Alegre’s Corner. Comments made in support of Dr. Long’s post were removed, though the post itself remains.

    It’s getting more and more difficult for a tortured Democrat (or Independent) to find a place that tolerates reasoned dissent. This blog is a shining exception to the “my way or the highway” websites. Thanks again for making us feel at home.

  155. BO is unqualified for so many reason (inexperience, electoral fraud, sexism etc) the bottom line is: We dont want him in the White House!

    What is the most effective way to go abt it? Not voting helps to put the White house out of his reach, voting McC/P just pushes it a bit further away! Simple math!

    Do I agree with Palin – no. I am pro-choice, gay marriage, anti-guns, not religious, but you will never agree with somebody on everything, but the R ticket has more integrity then BO could wish for in his wildest dreams, EVER.

    Besides congress will be ruled by the Dems anyway, how will they change Roe -Wade in such a scenario? Time to show them that women vote with their brains and not their reproductive organs!

  156. The Past Week: Recaps and Random Thoughts, August 31-September 6 (A REAL Political Pregnancy Scandal; Free Don Siegelman; Don’t Show Off, Obama!, Canadian Election, GREEN CHILE!)

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/the-past-week-recaps-and-random-thoughts-august-31-september-6-a-real-political-pregnancy-scandal-free-don-siegelman-dont-show-off-obama-canadian-election-green-chile/

    Includes a preview of an upcoming discussion of former Alabama Don Siegelman and the politicization of the Justice Dept. courtesy of Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales…and the Democratic “leadership” who are going to let Rove get away scott-free…Sliegelman was at the Democratic Convention begging for support for House vote and nails the “leadership”…..

  157. I get e-mail updates from Don Siegelman’s kids, Dana and Joe. The last was a heartbreaker. In his quest for justice Don has turned to Democrats, pleading with them to subpoena Karl Rove.

    I wouldn’t want to place a bet on how that turns out for him.

  158. I think Dr. Lynette Long’s letter is spot on. I was going to write a similar letter to NOW, but am thrilled that Dr. Long has, since she did it far more eloquently than I could have.

    I do not agree with one thing the Republican Party stands for and the amount of cringing I did during their convention is a testament to that. (Although I did take supreme pleasure out of every zing the stuck to Obama because they could and we couldn’t. Finally, someone pointing out the truths we’ve been trying to tell them.) The thing is that it’s a protest vote and so the odds of you liking the alternative are pretty slim. My feelings are exactly as Dr. Long stated and if that was all there was to it, I’d cast that protest vote with glee.

    My final stumbling block with voting for JM/SP is the fact that Republicans crossed over in the primary to give us BO. Had they not, Hillary would be our nominee. I cannot reconcile this. I cannot be with the people who helped create the problem. I am stuck in limbo.

  159. “If Democratic women wait for the perfect woman to come along, we will never elect a woman.”

    My son and I have had an series of emails on Palin and this is one of the things I mentioned. The old “we don’t have anything against women–just THIS woman. They said it about Clinton and they’re saying it about Palin.

    I just don’t believe anymore that they would ever approve of any woman. As I said on the night of Palin’s speech, if it takes a Repub woman to shatter the glass ceiling, so be it.

    That said, I haven’t committed to anyone yet. Waiting for this to play out more.

  160. Let’s see, because the Obama campaign and the DNC engaged in some rather shady tactics, aided and abetted by the GOP and the GOP-leaning media, the best thing to do is vote for the presidential ticket which has committed electoral fraud in 2000 and 2004.

    In my view, voting for NEITHER party ticket this fall is the correct decision. This is truly a “none of the above” election.

    We need to have the option for “none of the above” which is binding in elections.

  161. I meant the party committing fraud in 2000 and 2004.

  162. LMAO
    All these folks aint really saying nothing about the issues, Obma is a little tiny bit, but it seems like Palin and McCain just mantra stealing when they need to talk about N. Korea rebuilding nukes like North Korea has fallen off the map

  163. FYI:

    Joe Biden on Meet The Press this morning, 9/7/2008:

    Speaking on his belief of when life begins…

    “Life begins at conception.”

  164. susannunes, at 10:29 am Said:

    We need to have the option for “none of the above” which is binding in elections.

    **********

    Agreed. That should be a part of election reform! Let’s maximize tamper free ballots!

  165. I can’t vote for either ticket. The Republicans have antithetical positions on all the issues that are important and Palin is not qualified. Neither is Obama (and that is worse since he is on the top of the ticket). The Democrats groomed Obama and the nomination was stolen. Clinton and her supporters were vilified and “disrespected”. Obama is certainly not qualified, he is corrupt and at the minimum, has shown complete lack of judgment with his associations.

    I will write-in Hillary, and work for progressive down ticket Dems at the local, state and federal levels. I will continue to voice my objections to both tickets.

  166. Why do you think we have been struggling for so long to eke out any real choice protections, the ERA, equal pay, etc? It is partly, I believe, because we live in a culture that is still at its core dismissive of women.

    WMCB: They said the same thing about Hillary: “Wrong woman.”
    I was so disappointed to see Steinem’s attack on Palin using the “wrong woman” argument. Each of her talking points were obviously not well-researched or thoughtful. This is such a fascinating election year, because issues of race and gender are being examined on multiple levels. Just as with race, even women have internalized sexism that they don’t recognize. Hopefully, this glaring light will move us forward.

  167. Joe Biden on Meet The Press this morning, 9/7/2008:

    Speaking on his belief of when life begins…

    “Life begins at conception.”

    That’s exactly what McCain said at Saddleback.

  168. I agree with Dr. Long and it also addresses the issue of leverage mentioned in a post in May or June at the Reclusive Leftist.

    The coalition of that became “No Deal” can function as our voting block to leverage the best program to benefit us.

    I expect that I will vote McCain/Palin as the result is now a foregone conclusion that Obama will lose. I want to see Obama lose his adopted home state of Illinois so that he will be sufficiently weak as a senatorial candidate in 2010 so that he will be challenged in the primary.

    I want to see a chain of Democrats in the White House for 20 years to equal the length and achievement of the FDR and Truman years. And I have no objection to an African American, man or woman, holding the office of president, but I do not want this man. He has no record of achievement in any position that he has ever held. He has always looked ahead to the next step and never concentrated on where he was at the moment.

    I also believe that Hillary is watching the mainstream media to see how they cover Gov. Palin. It may be difficult given her position and her future in the Democratic Party to openly support Gov. Palin. A resounding defeat for Obama will give Hillary and Bill increased influence in the party.

    Whether it is learning chess or studying Sun Tzu’s “Art of War,” we need to use the best strategy to do the best for ourselves and ultimately for the country.

  169. New thread

  170. Speaking of fearmongers…after forty something comments in Long’s diary at Alegre’s Corner, both pro and con, it was yanked from the website.

  171. fif, on September 7th, 2008 at 11:04 am Said:
    Why do you think we have been struggling for so long to eke out any real choice protections, the ERA, equal pay, etc? It is partly, I believe, because we live in a culture that is still at its core dismissive of women.

    ALL TRUE AND ADD WHO IS DOING IT to women, CLEARLY WOMEN who have been for many many years the majority in the electorate this year we will top 56 percent…explain that. The women’s movement is a JOKE… JOKE…aligned with a Party read these post wedgies no dept in debate I just do not believe there is nothing in either platform that any individual dose not agree with????

  172. YES,MC CAIN!

  173. I am a strong proponent of equal pay for equal work…and yes, equal opportunity as well! However, I also believe that people (regardless of race, religion, national origin, or gender) must each be judged on the “content of their character”…their skills, their judgement, their knowledge, their training, their vision, their experience, etc.

    I was amazed that, after only one interview, McCain selected Palin. Adding a woman to the ticket has certainly given his campaign a shot in the arm (don’t get me wrong….I most assuredly respect his military service and the contributions he’s made). It seems to me that selecting Palin had more to do with getting himself elected than it did providing a strong right arm in governing the country (which, to me, is what the VP should be selected for). The thought that Palin could be just “a heartbeat” away from the running the country terrifies me. I have to ask myself … regardless of her position (VP or President), which will take the “back seat” in her priorities … her responsibilities to her country, or those to her family (including that beautiful new baby with special needs … who most certainly does and will need an actively involved “Mom” in his world. Frankly, either answer leaves much to be desired.

    As much as I questioned McCain’s judgment in choosing her, I question hers even more so for accepting!

    And yes, I’d LOVE to see a woman in the White House … President or VP. However, it must be the RIGHT woman! I’ve seen absolutely nothing so far that leads be to believe that Palin remotely qualifies!

  174. Molly – I don’t think any of us on this blog do “invisible” very well – but most of us have experienced it.
    I had dinner with an AA friend last night who had been traveling for the last few months, it had been awhile since we had seen each other. She is so distraught that Obama got the nomination because as she put it “this does not bode well for blacks in American. He is totally unsuited and incapable of doing the job, and we (AA) will all be judged by what he does and says. This will set us back years.
    Am I wrong in believing that perhaps he was so egotistical he was easily sold a bill of goods by power brokers and the DNC who just wanted to beat Hillary and knew they needed another minority in order to pull it off?”
    Ahhh, could be – sounds so much like the Cuban story – how in order to throw Batista out of power they found Castro – a young, charismatic, good looking activitist – put him in office – of course then he told them to go pound salt – and the rest is history.

  175. Great letter from Dr. Long and great comments as well.

    My feeling is: action talks, bullshit walks. This is not a hypothetical situation where I can choose my most preferred scenario. Here is the fork in the road and we have to choose a way.

    I was raised by my dad, and he did some things right. But what I have to say right now is my dad is a sexist who completely assumes that women are there to serve and supply him with whatever. Also that their opinions and thoughts are laughable, achievements unworthy, interests and concerns irritating and bothersome. I could go on. Funny he’s a democrat too.

    What I learned from dealing with my dad, is that negotiation doesn’t work. Waiting to be heard doesn’t work, no matter how you phrase it or express it, that won’t work. Only action works. It’s all about the tough love, or else you will always always be laughed at, diminished, put down, patronized, disparaged, insulted and condescended to.

    People like this are not my friend and will never have my best interest at heart. People like this will always use me and despise me. Voice of experience.

    Point: Mar and other above commenters are right. Strategy, effectiveness, gamesmanship – chess, art of war. Nobody cares about your philosophical stand as long as they can still get what they want and continue to ignore you.

    I fully respect all voting decisions people come to, but that above is where I am coming from. That said, I also like the record of reform & bipartisanship McCain/Palin show, and it stands in starkest contrast to Obama/Biden. DC is in sore need of some pork fat trimming.

  176. Judi, many millions of women work every day outside the home, and they have duties to their families as well.

    And further –

    The thought that Obama could be just “a heartbeat” away from the running the country terrifies me. . ..

    As much as I question the DNC’s judgment in choosing him, I question his even more so for accepting!

    And yes, I’d LOVE to see an AA man in the White House … President or VP. However, it must be the RIGHT AA man! I’ve seen absolutely nothing so far that leads be to believe that Obama remotely qualifies!

  177. I agree with Dr. Long. And RD, this news about Brook really makes me growl & roar.

    I think NQ runs Dr, Long — I’ve seen her name before I’m pretty sure.
    These kids have been medicated RD. You just showed me what to write next– thank you so!

    O man, this is BAD RD. Ugh.
    This is the blocked feeling function Dr. L is talking about above–it’s like mass groupthink. Like Brave New World come alive, and Dr. L is correct on Marshall McLuhan——– his logo is no different than anything else — he’s a product.

  178. This is a wonderful post that resonates with me. I too will support the McCain/Palin ticket in November. But that doesn’t mean the repubs have my lifelong support. This is a one shot deal. The DNC will continue to ignore their “woman” problem and take women’s support for granted unless we speak to them in a language they understand. This is a time for a serious and woman centered third party.

  179. Thank you Dr. Long! I have linked to your caucus fraud research as much as I possibly can. For me this alone is enough not to vote for Obama. The ACORN connections and the discounting and bullying of millions of voters at a time when we had so much at stake is not only unforgivable but, MUST be investigated and exposed.

    Watergate was terrible but, this is worse because someone was telling that story in a frank and mainstream way to alert and alarm all Americans. Obama’s campaign seems to have been able to defraud voters with the talking heads and those who once were on our side going right along with it. I don’t want the party leaders we have no allowed to stay in power. If we reward them now with our votes after what they did to Hillary Clinton we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves when they continue to do this to good candidates and the American voter every election cycle.

    The dems shot themselves in the foot holding Hillary Clinton to ten times the standard any other man, most especially Obama was held to. The “:Just not THIS woman” mantra was insulting all along as I cannot think of any other woman who stood longer for democratic beliefs and principles than Hillary has AND yes she was and is far more qualified.

    Now we have Palin and it’s “just not THIS woman” again. What they never counted on was that women who paid attention were tired of being bullied and listening to hatred against a woman they admired. Hillary went into this with a long standing four year 80 percent approval rating among ALL Americans. It was the Obama campaign which changed this and that alone. To seek to destroy such a woman, to use misogyny to steal a “win” does have a backlash.

    I will support Palin though I’d have told you two years ago I never could have. I’m tired of supporting men in my party who so obviously won’t support me or my interests. Party elite with a private agenda who never thought about what they were doing to voters men and women across the country when they allowed and were a part of so much cheating and hatred.

    Everyone votes to be heard and represented. Senator Obama does not represent or speak for me and neither does my former party. All criminals seek to blame everyone else except themselves. If they scapegoat Hillary for their own crimes then I’ll remember that too and vote accordingly in all future elections.

    We need a FULL accounting of the DNC and the Obama campaign. Until we have it there is no democratic party at all.

  180. Here is an interesting statement from the Rasmussen Poll. Apparently, men are more likely to vote for a woman president than women are.

    “In the new survey, 85% of voters say they are willing to vote for a woman for president, while only nine percent (9%) disagree and seven percent (7%) are undecided. Ironically, men are more willing to vote for a woman president than women voters by a 89% to 81% margin. These specific numbers may be impacted by the specifics of which woman is on the national ticket this year and which woman is not. ”

    Here is the link to the survey if you want to read it:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/woman_president_clinton_vs_palin_52_to_41

  181. My sentiments exactly Ms. Long.

  182. Thank you Dr. Long! And Ditto! Country First! Obama is too inexperienced and downright scary with his radical associations anyway. I still love Hillary, but Sarah seems like the REAL DEAL and I can live with that. McCain is a true Patriot and even if I don’t agree with the ticket on everything, I do believe they have the country’s best interest at heart. Oh and by the way, that insult that the MSM keeps throwing out about “uneducated female Hillary supporters” and “non-college-educated” and such. Sorry, this chick has a bachelor’s degree from a prominent university. SO THERE! McCain-Palin is for me!

  183. My problem continues being the same that I believe many others have here. Every time I see Palin on the stump giving some pearly wisdom through her “lipstick” and, apparently, still unbroken by the same old sh*t hurled with hate that seems to be reserved solely for women, I get mad all over again because I keep thinking the same old, same old. That Hillary should be the woman standing there giving her all out to help solidify her walk towards the WH—and I don’t mean as a VP.

    This takes nothing away from Palin. I believe that, in her own right, the woman’s also brilliant, and to round things up nicely, a deep breath of fresh air in the usually filled with dangling neckties political atmosphere.

    McCain was wise to select her not simply because she’s a woman, but because the woman happens to have enough fire on her to scorch into ashes even the most formidable of the opponents that tries to cut her down to “size”. After all, what is one supposed to do with women who dare get too big for their bridges, or worse yet, too smug for their own good? Isn’t that magnificent house appointed with a wonderful kitchen, great ironing board with state of the art latest model of iron, cute lacy apron, and amazing array of homey goodies, etc, etc, etc, good enough for her? Sheeeeeesh, some hardheaded broads are never happy…

    Anyway, I agree with Dr. Long. In view of what’s been happening lately, and mostly what has been done to an excellent choice for the presidency simply because she happens to be a woman named Clinton, the time has come to go to the aid of our sisters. Hopefully, after this first time of having a woman in the WH house not just being a First Lady but with the title of Madam Vice President preceding her, hopping on to the next step on the ladder will not unleash another vicious gender attack from the scared men that seem to be inundating the political “establishment” since its start.

    “For the first time in my life” I’ve given contributions to anything republican (two to be precise; the first one right after the delegate vote sham during the last DNC get together {to screw Hillary even further?}, and the second soon after Palin was chosen for VP).

  184. #
    cal, on September 7th, 2008 at 11:16 am Said:

    Speaking of fearmongers…after forty something comments in Long’s diary at Alegre’s Corner, both pro and con, it was yanked from the website.

    Thanks for this, cal. I noticed a bit ago that more of my comments were gone but didn’t realize the entire diary had been removed. Sad.

    It’s hard to understand the schizophrenia of a blog that’s centered around bashing one candidate but will not allow mention of the other.

    One by one the good liberal bloggers are drinking the kool-aid. They’re taking tiny sips but soon the glass will be empty and their conversion complete.

    Henceforth I shall spend most of my time hanging out here.

  185. We’ll so much for women won’t support Palin or are insulted at her because she is not Hillary… Sorry I just can’t agree with voting for a Party after what they did to steal our votes and money during the Primary. I won’t and cannot give the Democratic ticket my support after they intentionally and willfully rigged the race against the stronger candidate a first in her own right and then the addition and further insult, the salt in the wound Biden. Just take a peek at the DNC there is no diversity females who looks like Hillary, there are only 2 I believe in leadership that mix when 38 percent of the Base look and share community of interest on many issues.

  186. I don’t understand why the choice is Obama with Biden, or McCain with Palin.

    Why not McKinney? She’s better on the issues, is for women solidly, is a woman, and is black to boot.

    No one mentions her much at all, when she’s a much better choice than McCain/Pa/in.

  187. Dr. Long has written an incredibly thoughtful and articulate piece regarding Palin’s candidacy. As a lifelong Democrat and a feminist, her argument is enticing. However, if one were to carry the logic out, then she is also making the case for why blacks in America should support Obama, no questions asked. In essence, her argument establishes a kind of a quota, whereby positions of power should reflect disenfranchised groups proportionately. And, while I agree that the impact for younger people in seeing a person who looks like them in positions of power could be enormous, it would also send a message that experience doesn’t count. In addition, while Palin has all the life experience of being female, the fact that her party’s platform has values that will likely be detrimental to the lives of women and children (not to mention mother earth) is not insignificant. Conversely, it is apparent that people in positions of power are able to, and have, through the nature of their role, envisioned and implemented legislation, for one example, that benefits those who are not the same gender, or skin color, etc. LBJ’s Civil Right’s Omnibus Act is one powerful example. This is complex and messy business. That white males have dominated is not in question. However, I’m not sure the fix is to allow gender, skin color, or any other factor to trump all other concerns. I don’t know what the answer is. But, I do know that for all of Sarah Palin’s potential empathy she might have because she is female, there’s no evidence to make me believe she would be a voice for positive change for women. The Republicans, for example, do not support equal pay for equal work, do not support Affirmative Action (which is somewhat of the argument Dr. Long is making for Sarah Palin to be VP), among other issues. The Dems had the candidate with the whole package in Clinton and threw it away. I can’t embrace Sarah Palin simply because she is female, nor do I reject her for that reason. But there are many days between now and election day, and Dr. Long’s piece continues to resonate and turn over in my mind…..

  188. Yes Lynette! Great Job!
    Gender does trump everything.
    Living life from a woman’s perspective helps woman’s issues come into the light. Too many things are male orientated. For example, until recently medical research use to consider the results on the men only. Nice that they now include women and children in the outcome of research.
    Go Gov Sarah Palin! It’s about damn time!
    Lifetime Democrat, mother, doctor, veteran, voting republican this time!

  189. “Voting for a candidate just because she is a woman is akin to voting for a candidate because he is black.”

    Very well said – however, with a 90%-plus A-A vote for Barky, ‘me believes’ that what so many Hillary supporters mistook as ‘sexism’ was perhaps ‘racism’ – at least on the part of some. Even some A-A Republican Conservatives are torn between beliefs and ‘history’!

    Look how smug Brazille was towards Hillary throughout the primaries – and this is to say nothing of the ‘lynching’ of Bill in South Carolina. How quickly ‘they’ all seemed to forget about their ‘first black president’.

    I can only imagine the smugness of ‘Brazille and Company’ when (if) Barky should win – especially towards Bill, Hillary AND their supporters.

    You think its bad now? If Barky wins this one without us, its perhaps ‘Good-bye 2012’ – by 2016, Hillary will be about McCain’s age. Then it will be ‘ageism’ – ironically, just as is the case for McCain now.

    Just a thought…

  190. I am also pleased with Palin. I felt joy because someone listened to me. I do happen to think that all of us rather we are voting for McCain should speak out against the sexism in both the media and the DNC when they get sexist. We protect Sarah it makes it easier for Hillary the next time around.

  191. “I would be happy to vote for Senator Obama and rally other Hillary supporters to vote for Senator Obama but in return I wanted Obama to pledge gender parity in the cabinet.”

    What a great request! I think PUMAS should start to loudly and publicly demand this so Obama will be forced to defend his sexist “position”.

    Everyone: Find Obama on the trail and bring a poster with this very demand. Make a film. Ask the media why Obama isn’t answering our 18 million strong request (I assume all 18 million wouldn’t have a problem with this!).

    As for Palin: the more I hear about her the more I like her. and the more she is attacked the more I want to see her soar.

    As for the “feminists” who can’t allow a woman to achieve who does not share each and every issue: retch! I am already SICK of hearing my “feminist” friends rip Palin apart for the most assinine, sexist reasons. Oh oh oh…is Palin a bit too sexual/sexy to be trusted by other women???

    I suspect she is! Wake up “feminists” and live up to your NAME! I just read on Hillbuzz that Emily’s list and Naral are going to invest 30 million to attack McCain/Palin. 30 Million! That would buy a lot of protection, birth control and safe abortions. It could finance shelters or be used for education.

    Hope NARAL has a steady stream of donors/income because I am completely through with them! First supporting Obama and now uniting to decimate a woman they don’t even know!

    Emily’s list: SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!

  192. Waaaaay upthread DYB asked if any president died of natural causes…well, William Henry Harrison (I believe) died of pneumonia just a couple months into his presidency, and FDR died in office (I’m assuming from his polio, but I forget). So yes, we’ve had a couple of presidents die in office of natural causes. The others who died Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, JFK…well, we know what happened there.

  193. the elephant comes and the elephant goes smiles in public frowns behind closed doors the elephant laughs and the elephant cries look!!! the elephant even flies! how can this be?the elephant walks and the elephant talks,but the elephant flies because the elephant is not a elephant after all,it’s a warhawk.

  194. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

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