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Up all Night

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I just thought of a new basis for my vote.

Issues? I don’t trust a word Obama says so his speeches (with their laundry lists) and plans mean nothing to me. He’s already taken Universal Health Care off the table and that’s my “one issue” if there is such a thing. And McCain on the issues (giggle) I know people think I’m a Republican but believe me McCain does not speak for me.

Personality? I’ve got NO desire to have a beer with Obama. Much less spend the next four years listening to his speeches. I’ve got nothing in common with McCain either. And I’ve no illusions — none of them want to have a beer with me either.

Trust? I don’t trust any politician. Well, except maybe Hillary.

But Spite — Ah: This might be the first time I cast a vote almost wholly based on spite. It sounds absurd; could I really do it? Could I cast an important vote based on my frustration with Barack Obama’s disgusting supporters?

(gagging) At the rate this campaign is going, I’d say it’s a nearly sure bet.

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147 Responses

  1. I guess I’m just WAY more spiteful than you 😉

  2. A vote FOR McCain/Palin is a VOTE AGAINST SOB and Rev. Wright, and Trinity Church, and Rev. Plfegger, and Louis Farrakhan, and All the MISOGYNY and all the RACISM and all the LIES and all the VOTE STEALING and all the LIES……

    A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for America, for Democracy, for Justice, and it puts it 4 years close to HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!!

  3. It actually makes sense, increasingly.

    By voting for McCain, you’re actually voting for Hillary 2012. If you vote for Obama, you’re voting for Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, the Kos crowd, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, etc etc.

    That’s one h*** of a powerful vote.

  4. McCain as President doesn’t scare me. He isn’t George Bush, no matter what anyone says.

    He’s more like Poppy Bush. Pragmatic, and more concerned with foreign policy and the economy, not that interested in social issues.

  5. But, MyIQ — it’s the last thing I expected to do when this election started. I think I have to get there with baby steps.

  6. If Obama wins in November:

    Hillary can’t run against him in 2012 without being “disloyal”

    If he wins in 2012 (ha ha) then the GOP will have a good chance of winning in 2016 and Hillary will be running for “Obama’s third term”

    If Obama wins now but loses in 2012, there is a good chance the economy will have recovered by then (even if the government did nothing) so Hillary could be facing a popular incumbent, like Mondale did in 1984.

    By 2020, they’ll say she’s too old

  7. I used to like Obama a lot. I liked him up until January when he won Iowa and suddenly morphed into the most arrogant man since George W. Bush. I don’t trust him. He literally talks down his nose during interviews. I know that’s petty, but body contact is very telling. Just like how he always avoided looking Hillary in the eyes during debates.

    Anyway Obama based his campaign on spite… spite for a woman who was far superior a candidate in every way, and spite for her millions of voters (remember few weeks ago when he called us “those people”). So why not cast your vote based on spite? He has dodged the issues for months now, avoiding debates with Hillary, canceling debates with McCain, using his race as a sheild, harping on how many houses McCain owns, using tacky gimmicks like text message announcements, not giving any specifics about any plan he may or may not have (except when he steals Hillary’s specifics), and evading any scenario where he will have to talk about the issues that face our country. So if he won’t campaign on the issues, why should we vote on the issues?

  8. Oops that next to last paragraph was referring to 2016

  9. Don’t watch cable news. It’s bad for your health. I’m so mad I can hardly stand it. I’ve been watching the dems trashing Palin. I’ve been watching the cable news reporter/dweebs trashing her, trashing her daughter. I’m just so mad. It’s vile.

    I’m telling you, right now I’m so mad, that if I see Hillary say one positive word about Obama, I’ll never consider voting for her again. Same for any other democrat. That’s how mad I am right now.

  10. To be somewhat pragmatic and logical to the point of ridicule, the next four years are going to be a nightmare — an absolute f’ing nightmare. In the greater scheme of things, I can see the scenario where Hillary wins in a walk against McCain in 2012. BZero, courtesy of the largesse of the good citizens of IL, will be living, either in prison or in the governor’s mansion. The economy will have come full circle by then and it will be a great eight years with Hillary at the helm leaving the Oval Office younger than McCain is now.

  11. Oh, they’ll say she’s too old in 2016 and most likely 2012 too, myiq.

  12. katiebird:

    I never thought I would ever vote for a Republican again in my life (I voted for Reagan when I was young and dumb and full of shit)

    There were a few I respected, like Bob Dole, but that I wouldn’t have voted for.

    Dole as President didn’t scare me though, but I voted for the Big Dawg. Powell would have been okay too, until he helped Bush sell the war.

    I would rather someone with principles and integrity that I don’t agree with, then an unprincipled and ruthless schemer who claims to agree with me

  13. My alias was given to me as a joke by someone I care about. I’ve used it since I first got an email account back in the day.

    I even had it on personalized license plates for a while

  14. I know how you’re feeling, Katiebird…

    I’m teetering on the edge right now…I can’t vote for Obama and I don’t want to vote for McCain. In the end, I may vote for Palin because I think she the most honest of the bunch. On the other hand, I may stay home for the first time.

    It didn’t have to be this way…

  15. VAcardinal, word from my conservative/moderate relatives is that they are all getting as furious as you.

    There is going to be backlash from HELL over this.

  16. My sister said yesterday she’s finding herslef thinking of “The Democrats” instead f “us,” or “my party,” and it’s making her very emotional because it’s been such a huge part of her identity.

  17. I would rather someone with principles and integrity that I don’t agree with, then an unprincipled and ruthless schemer who claims to agree with me.

    Yup. “Claims” being the operative word.

  18. Sorry to intrude.
    Just FYI: I’ve been lurking at your site for the past four days, and it is very addictive. I’ve had more EBLs (Excellent Belly Laughs) here than any other blog I’ve visited. Very entertaining plus some very prescient insights.
    I’m a right-wing Republican who is only voting for McCain because of his VP choice, so I disagree with some of the opinions here, but d*mm*t this site is fun!!!
    Again, pardon the interruption, I will go back to lurking mode.

  19. Is it just me, or is the McCain campaign doing a pretty bad job of defending Palin? I remember back in 2004, when Ken Mellman, the then chair of the RNC, would be out on the tv shows practically every night aggressively pushing back against anything and everything the media brought up. I mean he did it so smoothly, he made the reporters and Kerry all look like idiots. The media vultures are after Palin, they are on their way to developing full Palin Derangement Syndrome (for goodness sakes, they are going after her for not having a proper fishing license!) and if the McCain campaign does not hit back, and hit back damn hard, they are going to be in big trouble…

    I was really taken aback by how horrible CNN was. Usually the pundits are bad, but even Wolf Blitzer who tries to stay above it, was hating today. He bit Bennett’s head off when Bennett reminded Wolf that it was in poor taste for CNN to use the Palin’s personal issues to talk about sex ed policy…it was strange…

    I hope for Palin’s sake she is tough as they say she is. They need to get her out and talking to the American people before people start to see her as a ditzy bimbo who can’t parent and work at the same time. If that happens, I fear the media will turn it into a referendum on working mothers…

  20. http://www.nationalcenter.org/NVMartinBrazile100.html

    this article is from 2000 but plays so true today.

  21. If Obama wins, the GOP will go after him on Rezko and other stuff that Whitewater will look like a walk in the park.

    It won’t matter if he’s guilty or innocent, because they won’t be interested in the truth.

    They’ll push for a new special prosecuter law, and if the Dems resisit, it will be “what are they hiding” but I expect the Dems to roll over like they usually do.

    once they get a special prosecutor, the vetting will finally begin

  22. jj:

    The GOP wants the media and Obama to beat up on Palin

    The worse it gets, the better it will be for the GOP

  23. JJ, I am thinking that McCain’s camp is letting this roll for a reason. I think their internal polling is telling them that it is helping, not hurting.

  24. WMCB:

    You owe me a coke!

  25. WMCB, my kool-ade drinking Obot father keeps telling me “Even teh Republicans are against her! I saw it on the news from the convention!”

    yeah, keep telling yourself that, dad. They’re not worried about the fact taht Obama can’t be bothered to try and demonstrate he has the capability to handle he job, it’s Todd’s fishing license they care about.

  26. myiq2xu, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 am Said:

    If Obama wins, the GOP will go after him on Rezko and other stuff that Whitewater will look like a walk in the park.

    It won’t matter if he’s guilty or innocent, because they won’t be interested in the truth.

    They’ll push for a new special prosecuter law, and if the Dems resisit, it will be “what are they hiding” but I expect the Dems to roll over like they usually do.
    ______________________

    the dems are no more. it’s the chicago machine now.

  27. A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary in 2012. Hillary could get back to the economy as an issue. The economy is in such a mess, there’s not much McCain can do about it, just like George H.W. Bush in 1992.

  28. WMCB:

    What does Obama really believe?

    “Prove your answer” as they say on college exams

  29. PaBluecollarRep, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am Said:
    Sorry to intrude.
    Just FYI: I’ve been lurking at your site for the past four days, and it is very addictive. I’ve had more EBLs (Excellent Belly Laughs) here than any other blog I’ve visited. Very entertaining plus some very prescient insights.
    I’m a right-wing Republican who is only voting for McCain because of his VP choice, so I disagree with some of the opinions here, but d*mm*t this site is fun!!!
    Again, pardon the interruption, I will go back to lurking mode.

    This one kills me. So many repubs don’t think McCain is conservative.

  30. JJ, you’re giving too much power to the media. People don’t trust them.

  31. Carpetride:

    Fitzpatrick is the US Atty who nailed Rezko, and they will appoint him as SP if they really think Obama is guilty.

    If they aren’t sure or know he isn’t, they’ll appoint a hack like Ken Starr.

    They will happily sacrifice a few Illinois Republicans if they can take down a Dem President

  32. Its not really that hard!! I have been a Democrat for forty years, but I have been an American for sixty-two. I’ll be voting for McCain/Palin.

    Country before party!!

  33. I’m thinking of casting a vote based on spite too. But my vote might not be the same as yours, KB. I’m still ticked off about McCain’s joke from a couple years back:

    “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
    Because her father is Janet Reno.”

    Despicable. I will do everything I can to keep that man out of the White House.

    http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

  34. I am all about doing what I can to make sure Obama does not win. I am sick of the Democratic Party.

  35. My fundie conservative GOP brother-in-law thinks McCain is a liberal

    Palin was selected to shore up his fundie/conservative cred, not to attract PUMAs

  36. They honestly don’t masslib. McCain is a negotiator and compromiser, and the real right-wingers can’t stand him.

  37. Smarty, McCain has since personally apologized to Hill and Bill for that tasteless joke. Long time ago. But thank you for playing.

  38. Spite, or integrity?

    The reason you’re feeling spite, or its kissing-cousin revenge, is because the campaign has committed injustices and the blogboiz represent much of what is vile in humanity.

    If the sexism, bias masquerading as analysis, fraud and cheating exhibited by the media and the netroots were anomalous, and Obama had not participated or encourage it, I might be able to hold my nose and vote for Obama, despite his obvious deficiencies. If they were just a little corner of sexist asshats, I could blow them off.

    But instead, the fauxgressivesphere is representative of Obama’s campaign and the DNC leadership. Obama and the DNC leadership have happily participated, encouraged, and exploited the worst the blogosphere has to offer.

    As a result (heartbreakingly), a vote for Obama is support for this repulsive destruction of principle, of reasonability, and of productive, democratic political discourse.

    I want Obama to lose so that they will lose. Will I be happy if they lose? Yes. If they were humiliated? Yes, at least temporarily. But most of all, I will feel relief that for at least one moment in time, the good fight will have been won instead of lost.

    I think the intensity of the attacks and slime have pushed people to feel spitefulness, but it started (rightfully) as anger at injustice. At this point, I just don’t think the integrity of that anger can be separated from spite or revenge, and that’s ok for now. If, after their defeat, it’s still there, then it’s time to have a different sort of conversation. But spite’s perfectly fine for now.

  39. Smarty:

    It was a rude and offensive joke, but that’s all it was, a joke.

    He didn’t expect it to get back to Chelsea, I’m sure.

    Andrew Young (the Black civil rights leader and former mayor of Atlanta) likes to joke that Bill Clinton has screwed more black women than Barack Obama.

  40. myiq2xu, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:57 am Said:
    My fundie conservative GOP brother-in-law thinks McCain is a liberal

    Palin was selected to shore up his fundie/conservative cred, not to attract PUMAs

    Bingo.

  41. HA! Biden really does have a drinking problem. Check this out from Savage Politics:

    http://savagepolitics.com/

  42. i will do anything to keep obummer out of the white house. . .mccain/palin 2008 (if not hillary)

  43. Obama could have put a stop to the misogyny and Hillary bashing, as well as the abuse of pro-Hillary bloggers.

    The Obama campaign monitors what goes on in the blogs, they brag about their internet savvy. (Obama may not personally, but his campaign damn sure does)

    They had to know about BabyGate I and II as soon as those wankfests started. But they waited days to denounce them

  44. Charles, you sometimes have science related items on your blog. Have you see this? It is 14 questions put to BO (BO’s campaign) regarding science policy:

    http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=40

  45. Hmmm..now that Smartysadie has spoken, I feel much better about putting someone who thinks it’s a standard political tactic to accuse hisone’s opponent of trying to have one assassinated in charge of the country. Because before that, I was a leetle worried about boundaries…

  46. I got an e-mail from the North Georgia Obama campaign guy (my brother is the Chairman of the county Democratic party, and this guy co-opted their e-mail list). It started with this line: “Great week last week! Obama soars, while McCain goes “Quayle” hunting in Alaska! “, and ended with this one: “On a lighter note…I’m announcing my candidacy for mayor of Trenton in 2010. I figure it’ll be a great stepping stone for the White House by…oh…2016 if there’s a media-overhyped division among male voters that year! Sorry, can’t resist being Wasilly today!”
    I’ve been snorting mad since I read it. To add insult to injury, this guy knows that I am a Clinton supporter, and that I am not planning to vote in the Presidential race. Is he trying to persuade me to vote for McCain? It sure does look like their going out of their way to try to piss people off.

  47. WMCB, any record of what he said? That must have been one awkward conversation.

  48. Charles: great to hear. I noticed just a bit ago when I looked at the about on your site. Nothing like a nice walk around the dish during the summer. Well, hopefully I was never radiated up there as I think there might be some microwave dishes there too.

  49. The smears always follow the same pattern:

    They rage through the blogosphere and the media, then after they have begun to lose steam (or start to backfire) Obama piously denounces them.

    But he doesn’t call anyone out by name and condemn him, does he?

    And we have reason to believe that the Obama campaign is quietly pushing those stories.

    There was a “race memo” discovered in SC, with Obama campaign talking points pushing the “fairy tale” and MLK memes, and during the ABC debate George S. said reporters were getting pushed by the Obama campaign on the Tuzla controversy.

  50. myiq, his own website is full of the same people posting on Kos. There is constant coordination, referring each other over to this or that disgusting article or comment they made on Kos.

    Obama got in bed with them to use them to his purpose. And now he can’t disown them. And it is the vicious wankery of his little troll army who are going to bring him down.

  51. myiq2xu, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 am Said:
    If Obama wins in November:
    Hillary can’t run against him in 2012 without being “disloyal”
    ……………………..

    Obama and Michelle have said he will only run once…and we will remind them of their ‘threat’ or ‘promise’. Only one change to vote for ‘The One’.

  52. JJ — I expect the GOP to let it ride until she speaks at the convention. Then, once everyone’s got a perfectly stage-managed and charming picture of Palin in their minds, rip after the Democrats for beating up on her.

    I mean, I could be wrong, but all year the Democrats keep running happily into GOP traps, thinking they’ve really got ’em on the run now! and then SNAP goes the springsteel.

    The only thing I can’t decide is whether the Republicans are that smart on all this stuff, or Democrats that stupid.

    Remember, McCain’s camp wrestled Obama to a tie right before the convention, then absolutely killed Obama’s post-convention bump, in the Year that the Democrats Couldn’t Lose.

  53. masslib: when I was training for my marathon, one of my running partners was a Republican. I asked her about McCain and she exclaimed, “McCain? He’s a liberal!”

    “Really? I’m gonna have to take another look at him then!” I laughed.

  54. “WMCB, on September 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm Said:

    myiq, I saw tons of bot comments early this morning predicting this would hurt Palin with the religious conservatives. Um….no. I could have told them that.”

    From the perspective of the wing-nuts, McCain is a Liberal. I you look at his “Progressive Punch” score he is in the upper 20% of Republican Senators.

  55. People turned off by a joke just needed an excuse.

  56. Obama and Michelle have said he will only run once…and we will remind them of their ‘threat’ or ‘promise’

    We can remind them, but it’s not like his integrity means anything to him. And it’s not like the Bot army care.

  57. You are right, Regency. After all that has gone on, pretending that McCain’s joke (though disgusting and reprehensible and asinine) is the big unforgivable offense is so transparent as to be laughable.

    I am sure that that poster is really and truly and deeply so very concerned with the honor and dignity of the Clintons.

  58. Obama also said he would not run for Pres until he had more experience.
    He’s a fucking liar. He’d run for a second term, count on it.

  59. I’ve been lurking here.

    I am in crisis.

    I cannot vote for Obama, obviously.

    But I cannot in good conscience vote for McCain.

    I really had to medidate on this. It bothered me so much.

    I’ve committed. Even if it is stupid. I am writing in Hillary. I know it’s wrong because it won’t stop Obama, but I can’t do otherwise. I really have to write in Hillary.

    There is ONLY one person I want as president! It is not McCain, it is Hillary.

    Am I being Crazy?

  60. Meghan McCain has a statement of support for Bristol up on her blog:

    http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/090108_2242.shtml

  61. #
    myiq2xu, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 am Said:

    jj:

    The GOP wants the media and Obama to beat up on Palin

    The worse it gets, the better it will be for the GOP
    #
    WMCB, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 am Said:

    JJ, I am thinking that McCain’s camp is letting this roll for a reason. I think their internal polling is telling them that it is helping, not hurting.

    Yep. Let them bury themselves in hypocrisy.

    VA: Hillary needs to appease, you can only destroy from within if you’re inside. If she alienates herself, if makes it that much harder. Sad but true

    Both parties have their “hijackers,” but you’re only effective if you’re inside. Call it the “double agent” syndrome. Hillary is far more effective working from inside the party than if she’s exiled.

  62. The Obama campaign resembles Bush’s in 2000 because of the moral dimension to it. In 2000 Christian conservatives were deliriously lining up behind a “man of God” to fight a moral struggle for America’s soul. Similarly the Democratic race this year became a moral referendum in which choosing not to vote Obama is to obstruct the course of social and racial justice. They are playing with fire by casting the election as a crusade.

  63. Charles: I see the campus quite often as I travel quite a bit for work. It is amazing. I still like to walk around the campus, and go to my favorite spot to sit and think. Everyone should have one of those. And it’s always nice to visit friends that are around there.

    It would be interesting to think what women of days gone by would think. First they’d be shocked at the level of vile. Then again, maybe it’s always been bad. I don’t know.

  64. Yeah, River Daughter—-Keep on thinking. Nothing like settling on a vote because of spite, bitterness, genderism and sexism. Pretty simple, huh? You folks are not very complicated. Simpletonions of the highest order.

  65. Since BZero is an heir to the Stevenson side of the D party, if he deservedly loses, he will run again. Whether that will be 2012 will depend on whether or not he runs for governor of IL in 2010 or is convicted prior to that.

  66. My mother is a raging conservative and hated McCain until he picked Palin, she voted for Giuliani in the FL primary but she loves Hilary and cried when she didn’t get her roll call vote straight up.

    I think the problem with investigating Obama as President is that DOJ and the House and Senate will be run by the Dems, Do you think the MSM will start to look at it seriously, if he’s elected?

  67. WMCB: I understand. But I haven’t cooled off yet. Talking school with Charles helps. Thinking about other things help. But I’m still steaming.

  68. #
    Prolix, on September 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 am Said:

    Since BZero is an heir to the Stevenson side of the D party, if he deservedly loses, he will run again. Whether that will be 2012 will depend on whether or not he runs for governor of IL in 2010 or is convicted prior to that.

    I think it is unfortunate to compare Obama to any of the other Dem losers. Stevenson, Mondale, Carter, Dukakis, et al had, despite their politics, had actually accomplished positive things in their lives. Obama????

  69. Mary, you’re not crazy, but make sure your state accepts write-ins. Some states will count a vote for Hillary as a vote for BO and some disregard write-in votes,

  70. Jim, better than settling on a vote because of spite, bitterness, genderism and sexism – for Obama.

    Pretty simple, really. Yes. It’s O.K. to vote for McCain!!

  71. SHV, point taken.

  72. I never thought I’d be voting for McCain, and was
    planning to cast my one vote to stop Obama (and his Chicago
    machine from moving to D.C.).

    After having always been a Democrat, this primary
    season has caused me to switch
    to Independent and vote Republican for President
    and for the House (since my female rep who is
    Pelosi’s BFF endorsed Obama before the primary
    because he represents “change” (whatever).

    The stomping of the more qualified candidate, the
    fact that no one in the “leadership” stood up
    against the media sexism because it worked for
    their Chosen One while they were too clueless to
    realize that the Party’s other base (and a larger
    one and the one that does most of the heavy
    lifting on the ground) was being trashed as well…well,
    that says it all.

    If BO doesn’t take my state, then the supers
    really are hos who take money without picking the
    winner. Of course, the roll call farce was so that
    the supers didn’t have to take a stand.

    Still, I could never morally vote for BO. I
    have grown so sick of the current DNC leadership
    and its Precious that I must vote strongly anti-Bama.
    Palin shows that one of the parties doesn’t
    feel that women not ready for prime time. I expect
    the Republicans will stand up for their woman
    candidate. They are more chivalrous.

    Still can’t figure out why the mainstream media
    is selling Bama. I just don’t get him.

  73. Yeah, jeez, what’s wrong with Stevenson? I’ve heard good things.

  74. Yeah, River Daughter—-Keep on thinking. Nothing like settling on a vote because of spite, bitterness, genderism and sexism. Pretty simple, huh? You folks are not very complicated. Simpletonions of the highest order.

    ummmm……at least it’s more complicated thinking then the men who won’t vote for a woman because….gasp….she’s a woman!

  75. Not to give a history lesson here, but the point is Stevenson ran twice in a row unsuccessfully. That was the point.

  76. “#
    Prolix, on September 2nd, 2008 at 1:39 am Said:

    SHV, point taken.”

    The reason that I mentioned that is that I still have a very clear memory of Adlai Stevenson confronting the Soviet Russian delegation at the UN during the Cuban missile crisis. That was some very serious TV drama.

  77. If BO loses this race, which is the Dems to lose,
    he won’t be running in 2012, I assure you.

    As for comparing him to Stevenson, no way.
    I can’t think of any Dem I admire who can be
    compared to BO.

    BO reminds me of a less principled George W.,
    although
    I doubt that George W. would have consorted with
    Rezko or attended a racist church for 20 years.
    Both have the cocaine use in their backgrounds.
    Both are arrogant empty suits.

  78. Well, that part we know, but losing an election or two doesn’t mean he’s a corrupt, unprincipled yutz.

  79. SHV, there is no indictment of Stevenson the man, but if you look at his two unsuccessful runs, he failed to embrace the “working class” tenets of Roosevelt.

    No indictment of his intellect or liberal ideals, but when it comes to a historical analysis of this race as compared to his races in 52 and 56, the comparison is identical.

  80. Seriously, point out where I said that.

  81. Prolix, I’m just saying that it’s not nice to Stevenson to lump in Obama with the “Stevenson wing.” He belongs more to the “Frat boy misogynist meets Daley wing.”

  82. (my point being that obama is a corrupt, unprincipled yutz)

  83. Who ever approved the idea of moving the DNC to Chicago?

    (No one.)

  84. It just happened trance-like.

  85. This Republican = Conservative stereotype needs some qualification.

    From a conservative standpoint, both the pre-Reagan Republican party and the party under Bush were a mess.

    Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter and claimed that there was “no Soviet domination” of Poland– casting himself to the left of Carter on national security. For years, Ford did not seem to grasp the magnitude of this gaffe, referring to it as “the Poland thing.”

    I exploded with laughter after reading, in the memoirs of Soviet defector Arkady Shevchenko that a certain Soviet diplomat once referred to Ford as “good old Jerry.”

  86. Love it when the trolls have such clever remarks about a post but don’t get the poster right.

  87. I watched a little bit of CNN tonight, and I honestly think they’re in the tank for BO more than ever. They had Obama on talking about the storm, telling people not to go back to their homes, a 5 minute interview as if he were running the whole show, and he was in a suit with a backdrop of the American flag, like “Look how good I’m going to look as the President”. Not very
    subtle at all.
    I personally think the MSM and their big business masters will be on the Obama train the entire election because they fear a McCain presidency more than an Obama one. McCain is running on reform, and has picked a VP candidate to shore up that position. He is serious. Obama does the rhetoric, but with his history being so ingrained in Chicago politics, does anyone think he will reform anything?

  88. Anglachel has new posts up for anyone who is staying up late like me. I agree with her latest post except for her decision not to have a baby. The world needs a mini Anglachel to write about politics in 30 years! I have a beloved professor from college who reminds me of Anglachel and she chose not to have any children either. It’s always the good, intelligent people who don’t want to have children 😦

  89. O-B grow more detestable by the day and I didn’t think that was possible. I really like McCain-Palin. (The following also posted on No Quarter and Alegra’s Corner:) All the so called “dirt” on Palin will backfire. She’s a real, genuine, authentic, principled human being with loads of character and integrity–a very good match for John McCain. They’re both maverick reformers. They can help bring about the real change we all want to see in Washington. They both actually have a track record of bringing about positive changes in government. Obama has a speech. All words, no action. Sort of like all hat and no cattle. 😉

    While you may consider spite a good reason to vote for McCain, and it is a good reason, a better one, iMO, is to vote for the one with more character and integrity. As Bill Clinton said, you might only agree with 50% of candidate Y’s issues but if he can actually accomplish those things, who are you going to vote for?

    As a Hillary-supporting PUMA, I’ll be voting for McCain-Palin on November 4. This country needs them and they need your vote. 🙂

  90. #
    PaBluecollarRep, on September 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am Said:

    Sorry to intrude.
    Just FYI: I’ve been lurking at your site for the past four days, and it is very addictive. I’ve had more EBLs (Excellent Belly Laughs) here than any other blog I’ve visited. Very entertaining plus some very prescient insights.
    I’m a right-wing Republican who is only voting for McCain because of his VP choice, so I disagree with some of the opinions here, but d*mm*t this site is fun!!!
    Again, pardon the interruption, I will go back to lurking mode.

    ****
    Hey I’m glad Republicans are lurking here. Strange bedfellows we all are at this moment in history . At least at this time, we have one intention – NoBama.

  91. Sugar has a post up on Biden spending $1,000 each week on Amtrak train rides. Craaazy. http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spicea_meeting_pl/2008/09/joe-biden-and-h.html

  92. Are those “Mccain has 7 houses” ads playing across the country? I saw one today.

  93. Charles:

    The rest of the taunt at Cleveland was “Gone to the White House, ha ha ha”

  94. Hmmm. My grandfather was watching TV, and he generally sticks to the local cable news station 24/7, so I’m almost positive it was the local.

  95. That’d be New England Cable News, in mA

  96. But the Dems got the last laugh and started taunting Republicans with the last line after he won.

  97. As a 35 yr old female democrat I am pretending I supported Hillary so I can insult you by calling you stupid Republican plants.

    (Comment edited to remove insults and condescending hectoring)

  98. Ah, clever. So he can maintain tehhe illusion among his supporters that he’s running a clean campaign, they wouldn’t be caught dead watching local podunk news! lol

  99. “You think voting for a woman who obviously did such a smack dab job of raising her kids that her daughter is knocked up at 17”

    “I wanted a STATESMAN NOT A BEAUTY QUEEN.”

    And you say you saw no evidence of sexism? I for one am stunned.

  100. Well Charles, duplicitous is kind of a given, but usually I’m knocked over by his utter lack of political sense.

  101. The DNC fixed the nomination and therefore needs to be purged of corrupt ‘leaders’.
    I was to reluctant to support the Repubs. because I’ve always thought of them as sexist. But since McCain picked Palin, I see things differently. Also, I was shocked to see how sexist the Dems. were towards Hillary.
    I am now comfortable with supporting McCain/Palin ’08.

  102. Cleanup on aisle 4, at 2:51 am.

  103. People ran an article called “How Obama Popped the Question to Biden”.

    CNN ran an article on “Obama and Biden’s First Spat”.

    At a rally on Saturday when Biden was belittling Sarah Palin because of her looks, Obama told Biden he thought he was very good looking too.

    Are they a couple or what?

  104. Jennie: They are the new Johns of the “Democratic” Party. Like John Kerry and John Edwards they just can’t stay away from each other. I’m expecting man!hugs and man!kisses in a bit. They’ve got to show how well they get along and how much they lurv each other.

  105. from nq-
    Since it is now OK to attack Palin on her abstinence-only sex education programs, when can we start doing the same to Ed Rendell?

    Rendell Plans to Ask Feds for $$ for Abstinence-Only Sex Ed.

    The Rendell administration is defending its decision to seek $1.7 million dollars in federal funding for abstinence-only sex education programs, which has drawn criticism from progressive groups, including ACT UP.

    Even though the Rendell administration has generally spurned funds in the past, Pennsylvania Health Department spokeswoman Claudine Battisti says it doesn’t oppose abstinence programs:

    “We just don’t think it should be the only part of sex education.”

    But Battista says while it remains committed to its belief in comprehensive sex education, the administration has now decided to allow what amounts to a pass-through of federal dollars to community groups and schools that will have to provide their own matching funds for abstinence-only programs:

    “There are people whose moral beliefs, religious beliefs, what have you, really believe this is a viable alternative. So, there are many arguments to this absolutely, but, again, we won’t stand in their way.”

    Battisti also says the administration is satisfied that regulations regarding medical accuracy have been tightened.

    http://www.kyw1060.com/Pa–Gov–Looks-to-Feds-for-Abstinence-Only-Sex-Ed-/2882420

  106. stop, drop and think, not everyone will vote for McCain/Palin. The difference between you and a lot of people on this site is that they/we don’t believe Obama/Biden is better. I’m not even sure they’re different. Obama started his campaign reaching out, exploiting and courting Republicans and Independents and he hasn’t stopped, yet. He fractured the base with the not so tacit approval and assistance of the “Anybody But Hillary” faction of the party. They know they did it, because they always knew they had to to get him “nominated.” That’s why they’re so desperately trying to force unity on us. Obama exploited black voters while holding us up for ridicule and scorn by using the right-wing “personal responsibility” ruse, it was allowed because he’s black. Calling blacks Pookie, Ray-Ray, Popeye’s chicken-eating bad parents while running away from contact with black voters at significant events taints the validity of his historic achievement. In good conscience, though I can’t vote for Obama or McCain, I’m not mad at anybody who does. I’m mad at the party that made this happen only for the illusion of progress, at the expense of real progress. They made this happen, they get what they deserve. Lastly, I’m most upset that they did all this by pitting the illusion of racism against the illusion of sexism. In doing so, they brought out, and ratcheted up, the reality of both. In the beginning, I’m not sure anybody even cared.

  107. Speaking of which, did you see the smacker Obama laid on Biden’s wife at the convention? Maybe he was aiming for Biden, and she got in the way?

  108. Regency–that’s gross! Edwards may be a jerk, but ugh, he can do so much better than Lurch.

  109. Will the unmarried daughters of all future candidates be forced to submit to exams to ensure that their hymens are intact?

    Will female candidates be required to submit detailed sexual histories?

    Just wondering how far the New Puritans of the Left will take things.

  110. Charles,

    Nice site. I must visit more often.

    Hey does everyone know about the movement to make Hillary Senate Majority Leader (which some in DC say is just as powerful as the President)? Will Bower is heading this movement.

  111. Vote Nader.

  112. Nader? Why not McKinney?

    Good thing Gore isn’t held responsible for his son’s DUI.

  113. STop, drop, and roll above–It was Obama who voted for Cheney’s 2005 Energy Act, which gave out lots of nice subsidies and gift to the oil companies. Hillary and McCain voted against it.

    By the way, the 80 or 90 percent of AA who voted for Obama did it because they wanted to break the glass ceiling. Hillary was better on the issues for them.

  114. You think voting for a woman who obviously did such a smack dab job of raising her kids that her daughter is knocked up at 17 to a boy whose headline on MySpace is “Proud to be a f**ing redneck!!”…is a vote FOR Hillary??!!!

    Seriously people–I get your mad. I’m mad too. But I am NOT stupid.

    Excuse me. I’m not in the habit of calling people stupid, but your argument is exceptionally stupid. We are not idiots or the sort of robots who believe whatever line of argument is current on the Huffington Post.

  115. Still steaming. Left TL. What a piece of sh*t that place has turned in to. Can’t believe I lasted this long. Time for sleep though. Night all.

  116. stop, drop and think, on September 2nd, 2008 at 2:51 am Said:
    “You think voting for Sarah Palin, who thinks the “founding fathers” actually WROTE the pledge of allegiance…is a vote FOR Hillary??!!
    (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-on-pledge-of-allegi_n_122965.html)…Seriously people–I get your mad. I’m mad too. But I am NOT stupid.”

    You quote HuffPo as a SOURCE, then claim you’re not stupid??

    Do you understand the concept of irony or should someone here explain it to you?

  117. The ugly and disgraceful feeding frenzy that erupted yesterday, in which the entire political world speculated feverishly about the sexual relationship of two high school students, is something I never want to see again.

    Of the things that are of importance this year, the behavior of one of Gov. Palin’s children ranks well below that of Obama’s choice of neckties.

    Who else are we going to cast out for such reasons?

    Al Gore, whose son had some DUI trouble?
    Ted Kennedy, whose son Patrick Kennedy (a congressman!) drunkenly drove his car into a Capitol Hill barricade?
    Barack Obama’s grandmother, whose daughter gave birth to Obama at age 18?

    Suddenly we’re almost literally going through Bristol Palin’s underwear to cast doubts on her mother?

    It’s almost enough to make a liberal want to vote for McCain/Palin, so that the people who are doing this aren’t rewarded for their behavior.

  118. Polly:

    Hillary voted against the Cheney energy bill (the 2005 energy Act)

    Obama voted in favor of the FISA bill in July after promising to vote against it. Most Democrats including Hillary voted no, and the Democrats are currently in the majority.

  119. Oh boy. Let’s start defending the biggest giveaway to oil companies in history. If Obama voted for it, his motives must be pure. God bless you Dick Cheney and the oil company executives you allowed to write that bill! You did right by us!

    Now let’s discuss why capping credit card interest rates at 30% is wrong.

  120. Charles, just wanted you to know you have a new fan. 🙂

    I’ll be visiting your excellent site. We have a lot in common.

  121. Charles, the video at your post doesn’t play

  122. I have had to cook 3 meals a day for 40 years. Does this make me Wolfgang Puck?

  123. […] am not ginna quote anymore of your insulting talking points. Instead, i’ll take my cues from katiebird at the Confluence: But Spite — Ah: This might be the first time I cast a vote almost wholly based on spite. It […]

  124. Am I completely insane? Probably, however, here goes… Assorted Obot talking points that we’ve all heard over and over and over and over and over and over….

    (Commented edited to spare you from boredome)

  125. fuzzybear supports voting against Obama out of spite-It is soooo Post-Rachel Maddow!

    fuzzybeargville

  126. Noku-I have asked your post be replaced with:

    I am Noku I have mommy issues…blah blah blah and blah blah blah…Obama cant think his way out of a paper bag-

    I am so sorry Noku that Dr Dean has canceled you perscription for vVagra and the Enzyte did not work but taking out your flustration on us PUMA’s will not help you “get it up for Obama”! so be gone your man is going down and it gives me great pleasure to add your name to the I helped defeat Obama in November list!

    fuzzybeargville

  127. and upthread congrats to Miss polly-you to have done your part to defeat Obama-kisses you are on the list too!

    fuzzybeargville

  128. kjmontana,stop, drop and think,qaz, go on the I helped defeat Obama list too…here a headline for November 5th

    “Obamabots defeat Obama”

    Michelle Dean Brazile and Pelosi Pissed

    fuzzybeargville

  129. It’s fine, McCain is perfectly capable of passing out snacks, and we’re going to get a Kate Perry look-a-like to lip sync for a concert. I guarantee a crowd, therefore our image problem in Europe is solved!

    (Counting on Obama to think or rethink anything at all is a recipe for terminal disappointment, btw).

  130. Mary Tillery, on September 2nd, 2008 at 1:23 am Said:

    I am in crisis.

    I cannot vote for Obama, obviously.

    There is ONLY one person I want as president! It is not McCain, it is Hillary.

    Am I being Crazy?
    ———-
    Mary, you are definitely not crazy. The last 8 months have been a revolting perversion of process and democracy, and I know many longtime Dem political operatives, committee higher-ups and office-holders who are just sick about all of it. Unfortunately, too many of them are taking the line publicly that they’ve signed on to the obama cult, but some at least will have enough sense of history and responsibility to not vote for him in November.

    I hope you will find your way to casting a vote for Sarah Palin/McCain, so that in 2012 you can be sure of voting for Hillary for president.

  131. You say “spite,” I say “protest.”

  132. I see the Obama “new hires” have been assigned to your site, riverdaughter.

    ~”This is way more important, relatively speaking, than your dislike of Obama.”~

    I think the most surprising thing is that Obama’s people don’t seem to know what a democracy is. They constantly comment that not voting for Obama is the same as being disloyal to Our Country when it is clearly the opposite. A candidate who puts self above being a public servant of this country has no idea of the job he is applying for.

    And the kind of demagoguery the whole Obama campaign obsesses about goes far beyond a political party nominee or rival political campaigns. He isn’t a god, he isn’t Jesus or Mohammad, and he certainly isn’t a Martin Luther King. And what little that has escaped his locked closet says he is not a particularly moral man who uses people to expedite his ambition.

    All politicians may be crooks and users, but at this fork in the political road we certainly don’t have to follow the one convincing you to commit political homicide in his name.

  133. I think spite is going to be my middle name for a while.

    I struggled from January till last week in Denver to get my representatives to listen or even just acknowledge me. And not just my representatives, I called and wrote the DNC, Pelosi, the R&B committee, the super delegates from my state and from everywhere in the US – nothing, just a brick wall. Nothing I did had any impact on these people. We were not connected in any way, all the years of work, money donated didn’t mean a thing, probably never had.

    They let me think it was my party but when the rubber hit the road it was their party and they followed the DNC’s orders. Even, to his everlasting shame, a guy named Roosevelt.

    Where else you gonna go, they asked? I felt powerless and that was how they wanted me to feel, even in Denver, except for a few bright moments I felt powerless.

    When John McCain announced his choice, Sarah Palin, it was like he stood up for me and back handed them all and continue to be delighted.

    So in your face Democratic Party I am voting for John and Sarah. Maybe it will end up they are just as tone deaf as the democrats, but for now I don’t feel powerless any more.

  134. Well, as I find myself trying to decide whether to vote for either horsesh^*t or bullsh^*t this election season, I’ve been looking at long term versus short term for self and country. One possibility: voting for a McSame presidency will be short term ugly but will be a dope slap to the DNC/DLC corporatists who brought us this mess. Don’t know how that may play, but if more people get increasingly disgusted with BOTH parties the next four yearsit has to be a long term good, IMO. Either we get a more populist democrat party or we see the beginnings of a true 3rd party movement. Pipe Dream? Maybe. Whatever I realize I have no idea what the next 4 years will bring…sad lesson from 9/11.

  135. I can’t do it. I just can’t vote Republican. I guess it’s Nader this year. Or Steven Colbert.

    It’s a sickening situation to be in.

  136. jlang, And your point?

  137. It’s a sickening situation to be in.

    nodding

  138. Here’s the weird thing, though. Long before I heard anyone else say likewise, I told my mother that if Obama prevailed, I would simply vote for McCain. She didn’t take me seriously, but I think I meant it at the time. Now, months later, I’ve decided I could never go through with that.

    Though I THINK I could have voted for the man McCain was back in 2000.

  139. #
    Woman Voter, on September 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 am Said:

    “Obama and Michelle have said he will only run once…and we will remind them of their ‘threat’ or ‘promise’.”
    …………………………………

    How can you possibly believe this? Obama also promised the voters of Illinois he would serve out his full Senate term before running for President.

    That promise lasted exactly 143 days.

  140. myiq2xu, on September 2nd, 2008 at 3:23 am Said:

    Will the unmarried daughters of all future candidates be forced to submit to exams to ensure that their hymens are intact?

    Will female candidates be required to submit detailed sexual histories?
    ……………………………………..

    Final question: Is there ever anything that goes wrong, anywhere, that is not the fault of some woman?

  141. omg.. men are right back to burning powerful women at the stake… and even worse are the better than “Thou” women following men!!! How would the media have handled this if it were Obama’s daughter who was pregnant.. or worse yet his son that had gotten a 17 year old pregnant.. now on that we would never have heard about it..sigh.. we have long way to go. I hope Hillary will be quick to leave Obama’s side… Love and respect her as I do, I think he is only dirtying her hands. be nice to have a Woman’s Party 🙂

  142. Gosh, Val. Don’t you think that’s a bit sanctimonious? I think that the vast majority of men – at least those who have graduated high school – are appalled by the attacks we’re seeing on this young woman and, by extension, her accomplished mother.

    I see all of this vitriol as crass political opportunism. I hate it when we engage in that sort of thing, just as I hate when the other side does, whatever “the other side” might be at a given moment.

    Man bad, woman good? Is that how we should view the world?

  143. […] over at RiverDaughter – formerly a progressive diarist for the Daily Kos – posted this incoherence on her blog today: I just thought of a new basis for my […]

  144. I’m a long-time Democrat who’s donated a significant amount of money and time to supporting the local party. The Texas caucus system left a really bad taste in my mouth. I saw elderly women reluctantly leave because they had difficulty driving after dark. We have a lot of deployed military personnel in the area who weren’t allowed to participate because they couldn’t do so absentee. Ditto the homebound who also tend to vote absentee, and people with family and job requirements. Hillary won the Texas primary, which was open to all Democrats, but lost the caucus, which was only open to the available and able-bodied. The continued vicious, sexist attacks against Hillary, primarily from people who claimed to be Democrats, like the blogger boys, even after she declared her support for Obama, left me extremely angry. Putting Biden on the ticket instead of Hillary (not even considering Hillary for the VP position) was the last straw. My checkbook is closed, except for a few deserving local candidates, and I’m telling all my friends I am skipping the Presidential race and just voting for the down-ballot Democrats this year. It’s amazing how many agree with me. I point out to them that Obama has already written Texas off as a win for McCain, so skipping the top race and voting down-ballot won’t change the overall results of the Presidential election while letting the party know you’re not happy.

  145. Hell ya – I would vote a million times against BO if I could!

    By supporting McPalin – HRC has a chance in 2012 and we can wrestle this party back from the Moon Bats!

  146. Florence, there is good info. on the drive to make Hillary the Senate Majority Leader @ heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com. See the Mon. Sept.1st post.

    If I can’t have Hillary (for now), I’ll gladly support Palin for the first woman VP.

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