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The show must go on: 2008-2012

Hey look!  It's 2012!

Hey look over there, it's 2012!

Happy Labor Day everyone!   For all of those Conflucians in coastal Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, we hope you are well & please report how things are in your little corner of the South.  Keep safe & hope you and your loved ones are well!

In the meantime, the show must go on.  The great Heidi Li Feldman wrote something that perked my inner mountain lion to new heights:  Why Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton must be the next Senate Majority Leader  – but before some of you say “WTF??”  – please read her article at the link above. 

Senator Clinton is eminently qualified for this role. (Indeed her experience in the Senate and the respect in which she is held there were among the reasons she would have been such an excellent Democratic President this year, since working effectively with the legislative branch, especially the Senate, is a large part of what makes a President successful.) She has the policy ideas and the political savvy that can make the Senate an extremely powerful force for progressive change. Senator Clinton has the respect of foreign leaders the world over.

Furthermore, Senator Clinton now enjoys a popular mandate for her views and policies: she won more votes than any other presidential contender in a primary season ever has; polls show that were she running against John McCain she would be beating him handily; and she is a politician of national prominence who has support from rank and file voters of all affiliations.

Thus, the importance of making sure that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is elected by her Democratic peers to lead them in the Senate. Information on how rank and file Democrats can work toward this objective to follow. Stay tuned.

Now, this does not mean that Hillary will weaken her presidential chances for 2012, in fact, it strengthens it.  After the Pelosi-Dean-Brazile-ocrats get the McCain/Palin SuperDuper Spanking this November, our goal is to bring Democracy back to the Democratic Party.  Well, here’s our chance to get rid of the most incompetent and corrupt Democratic leadership since, uhh, since …. well hell, there’s never been a more corrupt DNC leadership ever! 

If Cindy Sheehan beats Nancy Pelosi, a big part of the problem is solved.  Pelosi loses her House seat and she goes back to San Francisco.  But if Nancy Pelosi wins her 2008 election against Cindy Sheehan, Hillary Clinton as Senate Majority leader makes Hillary the most powerful and influential Democrat in the nation, regardless of who’s the Speaker of the House.   Nancy will carry the large and looming Obama/Biden defeat on her shoulders and there’s nothing that’ll give more cooties than an election loss, whether it’s a general, state or local election.   

Just by Hillary obtaining Harry Reid’s position, Hillary becomes the de-facto Democratic Party Leader due to her strength and record for fighting Republicans head-on, and her emergence as a true populist leader during the primaries, and with that 18 Million “I told you so’s” elephant in the room strengthening her 2012 run.  Hillary has something that nobody in the DNC has.  Leverage.  Hillary came out smelling like ROSE from the DNC convention.  She gave above and beyond the call of duty.  Not to mention the voters who were shafted in the interest of “party unity.”  

My point is: Hillary has YOU AND ME and 18 million others who believe she is the best leader for our country.  She already has re-energized the Democratic voter base and as Senate Majority Leader, she’ll bring a much needed backbone to Democrats should McCain win (and he will).  She’s the only Democrat, other than President Bill Clinton, that Republicans retreat, stand down and run scurrying to their bunkers.   Why do you think Dick Cheney has a permanent scowl on his face?  (Michelle Obama, look out, your face will freeze if you keep making that “scoop mouth!” –  h/t Sugar @ Sugar n Spice Blog.)

We all know that Obama/Biden is going to get the SuperSmackDown of SmackDowns this November 4th – and I can’t wait!  We are only 3 days in the general election and the Obamaphiles are verklempt and going into hyper High School Gossip mode over Sarah Palin as VP.   We need to distance ourselves from the High School Gossip Kool Kidz Krew.   We need to start thinking beyond the election and start regrouping to put Democracy back into the Democratic Party.  We need to support Down Ticket Democrats (but Nothing on Top of the Ticket – N.O.T.) for that impending McCain/Palin win in November, to ensure than they enforce the “checks and balances” to the Executive and Judicial branches as it was intended by our country’s founders.  Primary Election reform is another goal we must make sure is addressed to the post-electables.  

Personally, I have no dog in this election fight anymore and I’m quite ok with that.  Neither McCain nor Obama speak to my needs as a voter.  But the show must go on!  What do you think of Hillary Clinton as Senate Majority Leader?

132 Responses

  1. Hillary as Senate Majority Leader would be a mixed bag if she wants to run in 2012. Her every move would be watched and commented on. It’s hard enough as a Senator to run for president and win. Majority leaders have to walk a narrow tight rope.

    Hillary will know better than any of us what’s best. But if she wants it, she sure as heck had better be given it. She’s earned it.

  2. I agree that Hillary would make an excellent Senate Majority Leader. It would give her a lot of power and demonstrate to people that she was the right choice. It would also totally set her up for another run!

    PS-I’m glad you blocked comments regarding Bristol Palin’s pregnancy. We don’t need to discuss people’s private lives. My own mother was 18 when I was born and I am so grateful that she chose not to abort me. Keep up the great work!

  3. Jmac: But when ISN’T she watched and commented on? When hasn’t she walked the tight rope? She’s been on it for 24 years since her Arkansas days!

  4. I agree, Hillary should be offered the job. Is this our next Denver Group campaign? If so, I’m in.

  5. So is Harry Reid ready to concede?

  6. Starting November 5, 2008, I think we can contact Hllary directly. There should be no reason why she can’t acknowledge the PUMA. Do you all agree?

  7. How Many Good, Qualified Women Will We Allow Obama and the DNC to Destroy?

  8. I think it would be a great thing, but highly unlikely. Not only are there people ahead of HRC in line (her fellow NYer Chuck Schumer might have a thing or two to say on the subject), but it would be a very risky thing for her to try. If she failed to get enough votes from her fellow Democrats in the Senate – it would be truly humiliating. And I’m sure Obama and his supporters in the Senate would absolutely, categorically, under no circumstances want Hillary to control the legislative agenda in the Senate.

    I think the only way for Obama to get rid of Hillary is to appoint her to the Supreme Court – since Justices tend to stay out of politics Hillary would no longer be a threat. But a Supreme Court spot would be a huge gift to Hillary -and Obama is not a generous man.

  9. I am so totally on board with, what do we need to do ??

  10. DYB – WRONG. Hillary will not be a Supreme Court.

    THe DNC will be rid of Obama way before they’ll be rid of Hillary. Just watch November 5th 2008 how the “narratives” turn.

  11. Supreme Court is not a gift. It gets her out of reach of the things she cares about.

  12. Heidi Li will have more info on how we can get involved – I really think we have a chance to help.

  13. DYB, it is unlikely that Obama will win the GE, so a SCOTUS seat is not on the table.

  14. I will vote for Obama if Pelosi, Reid, Dean and Brazille step down and Hillary gets Majority Leader.

    Otherwise, I’m voting McCain/ other woman

  15. Oh, and as far as Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy: have you seen the comments at the NY Times web-site? Mortifying. Interestingly, though, it might backfire – at least I hope it does. By bashing Palin herself and calling her a bad mother because she “let this happen,” they are no doubt driving conservatives to get defensive and protective of Palin as a nominee. I know I certainly started feeling all bad for Palin after reading some of that bile at the NYTimes. And just for a brief moment I thought: I should vote for her and McCain instead of Nader. If stuff like this continues perhaps I will. I’m such a softie…

  16. Oh, the irony!

    Jeralyn:

    “This site will not host personal attacks against Sarah Palin, rumors of a personal nature or a discussion of her personal life or that of her children. All such comments will be deleted and repeat offenders banned.”

    It only took 4 days

  17. If HRC wants the job, she will make sure she has the support she needs before going for it. She is no political neophyte.

    I think we should find out if she does want it, and if so, I’m behind her 1000 percent. I’ve been hoping for this as the next step for quite some time. We will need her help to stop McCain from screwing things up even more than they already are.

  18. myiq –

    Oh my Gawd. She is such a hypocrite.

    It’s just too much! Aaaaaaacccckkkk!

  19. myiq2xu, on September 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm Said: Edit Comment
    Oh, the irony!

    Jeralyn:

    “This site will not host personal attacks against Sarah Palin, rumors of a personal nature or a discussion of her personal life or that of her children. All such comments will be deleted and repeat offenders banned.”

    It only took 4 days

    But TrooperGate was sure ok.

  20. I think it is outrageous that they won’t let Hillary be the nominee but they are making her carry Teh Precious on her back while she runs for him.

  21. I’d like to point out that just because a campaign “attacks” it’s RIVAL . . . who happens to be a woman . . . doesn’t make it sexist. *shakes head* You realize how pathetic that sounds, I hope?

    Palin was a desperation pick. Any woman who would vote for the McCain/Palin ticket is probably crazy. I mean, I would think most women WANTED pay equity (except Palin, of course). And anyone who supported Hillary and votes for McCain/Palin is just too far gone to even bother with.

    If you supported Hillary – it should be more than easy to support Obama . . . seeing how they agree on practically EVERY issue.

    (Response by sm77: Democracy is more important than my LadyParts. We will not support a candidate who won by voter fraud.)

    [Edited by Katiebird]

    Any woman who would vote for the McCain/Palin ticket is probably crazy.

    I have already said that “attack comments” will not be tolerated here. And I’m serious. Disagreements, even arguments are fine but attacks — no.
    So stop it.

  22. madamab, on September 1st, 2008 at 1:56 pm Said: Edit Comment
    If HRC wants the job, she will make sure she has the support she needs before going for it. She is no political neophyte.

    I think we should find out if she does want it, and if so, I’m behind her 1000 percent. I’ve been hoping for this as the next step for quite some time. We will need her help to stop McCain from screwing things up even more than they already are.

    Exactly!!! This is why I totally agree with Heidi & think that this is going to be a good vehicle for our loud and hellacious group to unite and get her as Majority Leader when McCain becomes president. We can’t have another lilly-livered Democract that caves in to Republican pressure again!

  23. I would lobby hard for Hillary as majority leader. I agree, we need to plan to get this rolling immediately after the Nov 5th loss.

    Not just because I think she’d be great and deserves it, but because I think that she and McCain have a good relationship and will work well together. I believe that she and he in concert could actually break some partisan gridlock and get some things done.

  24. myiq – I guess it takes some folk longer than others to smell the stench in which they wallow.

    RD – I have a degree in Political Science and a masters in Public Administration/P.S. On the other hand, it was back in the dark ages.

  25. You see, myiq, TM does not have that problem…they are just at it.

  26. Who is this denny guy?

  27. I find it hilarious that Obot trolls who see rac*sm in every criticism of Teh Precious can’t see sex*sm when it slaps them in the face.

  28. Dee:

    I think he owns a couple restaurants

  29. WMCB, on September 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm Said: Edit Comment
    I would lobby hard for Hillary as majority leader. I agree, we need to plan to get this rolling immediately after the Nov 5th loss.

    Not just because I think she’d be great and deserves it, but because I think that she and McCain have a good relationship and will work well together. I believe that she and he in concert could actually break some partisan gridlock and get some things done.

    This is why we must start NOW. After the Super SMACKDOWN this Novemeber, the DNC owes us Hillary as a Senate Majority Leader. She’s the only one who can stand up and smackdown McCain & Repubs.

  30. When you say “she has you and me” – “me” is no longer a democrat.
    Not sure I can do much from where I am. But I hope she gets whatever she wants to get.

  31. How people can think Obama and Hillary are the same on ever issue is beyond me.

    Do the words “telecom immunity” mean anything to them, I wonder?

  32. dennymajor, I think you’ve gotten about all the attention you deserve from us.

    🙂

  33. My one and only comment here on Sarahs daughter … wasnt bo’s mother pregnant at the exact same age??

  34. Buh-bye denialmajor!

  35. Well isn’t it interesting–the Hollywood crowd didn’t have squat to say about Britney’s younger sister Jamie getting pregnant, married, and having a child at 17. But I’m supposed to have a problem with Bristol being in the same position? I’ve already had a knock-down drag-out with the significant other about this. I’ve had to advise more than one person to tread carefully around me on this one. This is an issue I have first-hand experience with. The hypocrisy is literally making me physically ill.

  36. swanspirit, you took the works right out of my mouth. glass houses, y’all. Any number of my generation were indebted to empire-waist wedding gowns to cover up the incipient 9 pound premies.

  37. Swanspirit–you’re right–and not married to BO’s father at the time either. Oh the hypocrisy……

  38. My grandparents married in 1920 when my Grandma was 17.

    Seven months later my uncle was born

  39. I am trying to remember – Do we know for a fact that Obama’s parents were ever married?

  40. I’ll take Hillary Clinton over Harry Reid any day. To think I actually voted for him in 2004 – I want my vote back.

  41. Is there one person here who doesn’t have a story similar to Bristol’s? Who doesn’t have a friend or a relative who has been in this situation?

    I have a friend whose large extended Catholic family was further enhanced by at least three out-of-wedlock pregnancies. So?

  42. When did the democratic party become the ultra prude party? Was it always that way and I just missed it, or was there more in that kool-aid? Wow, Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Oooooh, that’s never happened before. And that says so much about Palin and her policies and governing skills. Not. I mean, um, teenagers. Seriously.

    Message to democrats: get over yourselves.

  43. The Majority Leader is blamed for whatever Congress does or doesn’t do. She would have to decide which bills come up for a vote. We give Senators leeway in the way they vote, not so the Majority Leader.

    The low approval of Congress right now is blamed on the Democratic leadership. But if Republicans win this election, Hillary might seem very smart in what she blocks and what she supports as Majority Leader.

    Hillary has balls, if McCain knew about Palin’s daughter he has brass balls (according to No Quarter), Obama has . . . Biden.

  44. Dee, if they were, it’s not legal since he was already married several times over.

  45. Wasn’t there someone staying in the 9th Ward? News: “Storm surge pushing water over the 9th Ward levees.

    I hope you’re safe.

  46. Jmac, on September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm Said: Edit Comment
    The Majority Leader is blamed for whatever Congress does or doesn’t do. She would have to decide which bills come up for a vote. We give Senators leeway in the way they vote, not so the Majority Leader.

    The low approval of Congress right now is blamed on the Democratic leadership. But if Republicans win this election, Hillary might seem very smart in what she blocks and what she supports as Majority Leader.

    Hillary has balls, if McCain knew about Palin’s daughter he has brass balls (according to No Quarter), Obama has . . . Biden.

    After this election – Hillary will be given the keys to the Party. The “I told you so” will be too strong.

  47. Obama’s mother Stanley Ann was just out of high school when an already married with two children older Kenyan
    exchange student named Barack Obama met her at the University of Hawaii.

  48. I think Dakinikat is in the 9th ward (or nearby) and is staying.

  49. Jangles, on September 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm Said:

    So is Harry Reid ready to concede?

    *********************

    It’s unlikely Harry Reid will run again, his son will probably run in 2010. In ’98 Harry Reid barely won – in 2004 he won by a large majority, because Republicans also voted for him. While the numbers are in his favor, he won’t get the support of Republicans, and there will be a Morman Republican running against him – Identity politics does have it’s benefits I suppose.

  50. SM: Not only should Hillary be offered the position, given the conduct this cycle, Pelosi shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the Capitol. Matter of fact, I’ll donate to the McCain/Palin ticket if they promise to throw her out on her tookas within their first 100 days. Heck, I’ll even rename my pets Sarah ‘n’ John, if they can accomplish this within the first 100 hours.

  51. Dakini says that her area doesn’t flood but that she’s preparing for looters.

  52. I agree that if Hillary wants the Senate Majority Leader position, we should support her. However, wouldn’t the responsibility of that office take away from her abiltity to run an effective campaign for 2012?

    I could only see her seeking this if she decides not to go after the presidency again. That would be heartbreaking on so many levels.

  53. Jmac – Dakinikat said she’s at the highest point in NOLA, not the 9th ward.

  54. No. I don’t agree with Heidi.

    We don’t need to be pressuring Hillary to do anything. There’s already plenty of that from the Party and their nominee.

    Let Hillary decide what she wants and when.

    If we are desperate to find something to do there are lots of choices down the ballot this year and you can always swing a hammer for Habitat or volunteer at your local food bank, etc. Deciding to ‘make Hillary Senate Majority Leader ‘is NOT one of the choices.

    Let’s all resist the temptation to intervene in micromanaging Hillary’s future.

  55. Dakinikat is posting from New Orleans. Her blog is Sky Dancing in a Man’s World. Sorry, only know how to transfer to email for links.

    http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/

  56. Dee,

    Obama’s father married possibly three times (two Americans, Stanley Ann and Ruth).
    He continued to have children with his first wife, a Kenyan to whom he
    was married before he left to study in Hawaii. He had another child by an
    African woman whom he was going to marry, but he was killed in an auto
    accident.

  57. More good vibes to the Gulf Coast and especially dakinikat and SM….{{{hugs}}}

  58. Oh! The link works.

  59. If I were McCain, and got elected POTUS, I’d tell the conservatives to continue going at abortion at a state level, and then I’d appoint Hillary to SCOTUS. If I were he, that is…..

  60. ((((positive vibes))))

  61. edwardian, on September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm Said: Edit Comment
    SM: Not only should Hillary be offered the position, given the conduct this cycle, Pelosi shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the Capitol. Matter of fact, I’ll donate to the McCain/Palin ticket if they promise to throw her out on her tookas within their first 100 days. Heck, I’ll even rename my pets Sarah ‘n’ John, if they can accomplish this within the first 100 hours.

    LOL!!!!! Cindy Sheehan holds the key to Pelosi moving her “tookas” out of the Capitol building. If Cindy wins, Pelosi’s out.

  62. Now I understand it. I understand what Donna Brazile meant. What they now have is the new democratic prude party (NDPP). So that’s who they are. Ah, good to know. It was certainly sad to see the democratic party disbanded. Best of luck to the NDPP Donna. Kiss kiss.

  63. Darling SM – Please kick MC to the curb. Disgusting.

  64. Thanks MadamaB! Sun is shining here temporarily – but the oceans – oh boy. Already coastal flooding in parts of Tampa Bay – but nothing major.

  65. The former DNC national chair who said God was on our side because of the timing of this hurricane (and has apologized), might have had it wrong.

    Getting to erase Bush and Cheney from the podium tonight is as lucky as you get.

  66. MadamaB: I have the world’s slowest laptop, sorry for the delay – got rid of the pondscum.

  67. Will Obama make a statement that Bristol is “being punished”?

  68. Re Talk Left, Jeralyn has the right to choose her positions, and change them for her site.

    I only posted a few times, but I was a frequent viewer, and I found it curious that a change doesn’t involve much explanation. For example, I wish she would have admitted that she made a mistake allowing the Palin hate, say she didn’t realize the lengths the commenters would go, apologize to the Palins, and go on.

    There is no longer any accountability at left blogs, it’s deja vu of BushCo.

  69. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/01/olbermann-pulled-rnc-coverage

    Is this true? Article alleges that Olberman has been pulled from Repub Conv Coverage.

    I heard this rumor from an inside source, and this is the first I’ve seen a report of it.

  70. Ive been refraining from commenting on the Palin situation but will say this: Many years ago my sister became pregnant at 16 and my parents threw a fit. They basically forced her to have an abortion. She later went on to marry that man, have four kids, and regrets to this day that she had the abortion. We were a respected family in a small community. My parents thought it was the best decision. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. Let’s let the Palins live in peace on this issue.

  71. Hill YEA! Majority leader indeed…and the first job is removing Obama from that committee that he doesn’t chair and put in a working senator that will look at the NATO crisis ASAP!

    HILL YEA! I am writing my two Senator first thing in the morning and telling them, if they want my vote…then VOTE HILLARY FOR SENATE MAJORITY LEADER! Lets get the party started and get some good legislation through the senate.

    GO HILL GO!!! 🙂

  72. MC seemed to be a troll who wants this thread to be about scandal rather than substance.

  73. Jmac: Weather Channel says Hurricane Hanna is likely headed to Georgia/SC; Fowler may truly have to eat his hateful words.

  74. Jmac: I have to agree with you.

  75. Arabella Trefoil, on September 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm Said:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/01/olbermann-pulled-rnc-coverage

    Is this true? Article alleges that Olberman has been pulled from Repub Conv Coverage.

    I heard this rumor from an inside source, and this is the first I’ve seen a report of it.
    …………………………………

    Gee, a day late and dollar short…did they finally get glasses and spot ALL HIS MISOGYNY/SEXISM NOW!

  76. I don’t know why, I’m just not that into the Senate Majority thing. I mean if she wants it great. But, it seems to me BO has a pretty strong grip on Dem Senators.

  77. I heard Olbermann was sent to New Orleans! Can’t remember who’s taking his place.

  78. I heard about Hanna too. Looks like this is going to be a very rough hurricane season.

    😦

    SM – Thanks, and so glad to hear you’re okay!

  79. Great post, sm77.

    The one thing that differentiates my experience in 1968 from this one is that this time my candidate is still alive, strong, and STILL ready from day one.

    When I write about Hillary I can continue to use the present tense and the future. In 1968, my candidate was struck down never again to lead. In 2008 my candidate is energized, vital, ready to lead.

    She’s an inspiration for those of us in her age group because she doesn’t lie – about her age or anything else.

    Go Hillary!!

  80. KB – I think HRC can decide her own future, but I would like her to be Majority Leader if that’s what she wants. 🙂

  81. Sarah Louise Heath Palin has the same sun/moon configuration as Abraham Lincoln! She is an Aquarius . with sun

    Reagan and Roosevelt were also Aquarians.
    She ( unlike her opponents ) has depth and strenght and future orientation .

    There were two eclipses this past month in bos sign She has already “eclipsed him ” once by putting him in her shadow ..i am looking for the next one I think it will be fun 🙂

  82. I have mommy issues.

    (edited for Freudian purposes.)

  83. According to article, MSNBO says Olberman isn’t being pulled due to political reasons, but due to the hurricane. You remember the hurricane, don’t you? The one he and Michael Moore chuckled over that would hurt the Republicans.

  84. Actually, I wanted to point out the disturbing effects of abstinence-only education. Like daughters who get pregnant and are forced into shotgun marriages by their fundy parents.

  85. My opinion has long been that Hillary would have far more access to a McCain White House than to an Obama WH. It seems that she and McCain are genuinely friends (not to mention drinking buddies, from stories I’ve read!), and that they’ve worked together/co-sponsored on a number of bills.

    It sure would be a lot easier for McCain to fight off his own party’s neocons if he had Hillary running interference as ML!

    HOWEVER, I don’t see the Dem Senate supporting her in such a move. Throughout the Primary, as now, I’m convinced that the powers-that-be share one motivating characteristic: CDS. And that will only become more evident when Obama is defeated in November.

  86. Keith Olbermann was pulled from St. Paul to anchor MSNBC’s storm coverage from New York
    ………………………..

    Since when does he know about ‘storm’ pressures? His specialty is misogyny and sexist remarks about WOMEN candidates! Maybe he got fearful when told those Republican women keep load of coins in their purses and a smack from them will hurt!

    Too little too late MisogynySNBC!

  87. katiebird, on September 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pm Said: Edit Comment
    I don’t know why, I’m just not that into the Senate Majority thing. I mean if she wants it great. But, it seems to me BO has a pretty strong grip on Dem Senators.

    For now, BO does. But after November 5th when BO needs to walk around with a surgeon with so many holes ripped, the “we should have picked Hillary” Elephant will be more massive than ever.

  88. Keith is going to have to play weather man. The hurricane gave the powers that be a perfect excuse to punish Keith. He is supposed to be really out of control.

    I think they are prepared shoot Olberman into the sun to do a report on solar flares, should the need arise.

  89. Of course, Obama’s mother was 18 when she had him, so careful there Obama trolls.

  90. Woman Voter: if Olberman were pulled from the RNC convention, it certainly isn’t because MSNBO has suddenly gotten a conscience. It’s because McCain is an adult, and won’t tolerate this crap.

    Me, I don’t think Oberman is fit to anchor the livestock sale at my county fair.

  91. I think KO asked to be sent home because he is still trying to recover from acute gynophobia. He can’t take another week of it.

  92. Shorter MC:

    I decide what women can do with their bodies. Me. Me. MEEEEE!

  93. PofE: LOL!!! Please, don’t expose the poor livestock to THAT!

  94. Arabella – I hear Obamaman is trying to get Tom Brokaw fired. LOL!

    Good luck with that, O Ginormous-Headed One.

  95. If BO loses, I think he will be dead man walking.

  96. As for Hillary & the Senate ML thing, I’m here to support Hillary for whatever she decides to pursue. Yeah, I trust her that much. I didn’t this time last year, but she earned that trust from me.

  97. sm77: Aw, come on, Keith O would be right at home with all that bullsh&t.

  98. kbird: “I don’t know why, I’m just not that into the Senate Majority thing. I mean if she wants it great. But, it seems to me BO has a pretty strong grip on Dem Senators.”

    Ditto.

  99. UpstateNY: Like I told KBird, wait till BO loses on Nov. 4. All will change.

  100. PofE: LOL!!!!

  101. “I think KO asked to be sent home because he is still trying to recover from acute gynophobia. He can’t take another week of it.”

    Dee – I saw on the CNN website that Laura Bush and Cindy McCain are running the non-essential business up there today. When they put him on the plane, his eyes must have been rolling around in his head.

  102. If BO loses, it will be real true Dem constituency speaking. And they won’t stop there, believe it. All they’ll need is initiative from those of us already primed for a battle.

  103. People are using this thread to make comments on the Palin daughter even though RD said let’s acknowledge it as fact and drop it. I think that should be honored. I think the comments about somehow this shows a failure of the Palin’s as parents or their position on sex ed is also illogical. “The talk” and sex ed classes are pretty weak antidotes to teenage hormones. As both a parent and a retired educator, I have come to believe that if you get through your children’s teen years without pregnancy or alcohol/drug blow-ups you are not a perfect parent, just damn lucky. We also know statistically that modern birth control and abortion have saved a lot of families from this teen pregnancy scene. Just like on this web page I think a whole lot of those blue collar dems and Jane and Joe Americans will just relate to this whole story—they will understand and forgive and respect the privacy of Bristo. I hope they do not forgive the trash story about the daughter being the one having the Downs syndrome baby. This also gives my even more respect for McCain’s audacity because he knew this and he could have chosen the squeaky clean Romneys.

  104. Yes, I can see the donkey and the cows running into the fields in horror at the sight of ‘Keith’ the sexist pundit… unless he goes there to report on breaking news of the ‘Spider’s’ latest web creation: Keith O is a REAL SEXIST JERK!

  105. I’m really intrigued by the idea of Hillary as Senate leader. I saw something on Facebook from Will Bower suggesting a plan to tell Senators up for election that we’ll only vote for them if they promise to support Hillary for leader.

    I do have concerns. others have mentioned that othersSenators are ahead of her in seniority. I sure don’t want to push her into a situation where she gathers more hostility from Dems.

    I’m inclined to just trust her lead. I assume the Dems. will lose the Presidency, and will have a shattered party. I see Hillary emerging as the new leader. But I want to leave to her the path to get there, and follow her lead rather than trying to bring about a scenario that is not her choice.

  106. New post up by Katiebird!

  107. So the latest poll is O 49, Mc 48?

  108. OK you HAD to tell me K.O. was covering the hurricane..pushing me into fantasies of seeing that blowhard get thwacked by the wind and carried away screaming on camera . I would pay. Really

  109. Am I the only one who keeps getting emails from Obama to send $$ to the Red Cross (via a URL that tracks the donations he recruits)??

    I posted something on my own blog about that – appearances are everything. McCain flew there and Obama is validating his appearance as the IM president. He wants to run the country from his keyboard .

  110. Obama’s Statement. OMG, he did the right thing.

    “I have said before and I will repeat again: People’s families are off limits,” Obama said. “And people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor and or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics.”

  111. The job of ML is very hard work. Hill can do the job but I also want her to have more fun, not just work!

    Now think about this; if BO was given the ML, he would have to work…probably for the time in his life!!!!!
    He would need to be there every day..or almost every day.

    Not that I want that…but just stating that.

    I want Hill to be named an UN ambassdor or some cab. member under McCain.

  112. I would listen to oldpro’s advice on this. maybe let bower know. really.. it’d be making more trouble for HRC.

  113. I have a strong feeling that Hillary will not run again – even if BO loses this November.

    The future agenda for PUMAs should not bank on Hillary running again. It will serve the PUMA cause better to consolidate and try to throw out incumbents like Kerry who are coming up for election. Right now it does not look like Ed O Reilly can beat Kerry but if the PUMAs decided to throw their collective weight and organization behind him … who knows what is possible?

  114. Think we’ll wait for Hillary to decide what she’ll do, regarding a future presidential run. She’ll get our full support either way.

  115. Yeh, Obama finally said the right thing, but only after his campaign’s initial attack response, his condescension on 60 Minutes, his condescension per Hillary’s remarks, and after days of letting his supporters trash Palin. He stands back & lets his thugs play dirty, just like always.

    Way too little right thing, way too late for the entire year.

  116. This is what Obama does — he lets his thugs run wild, and then makes a highminded statement. If he would tell them to shut up, it might be somewhat convincing.

  117. Parentofed,

    Yea, a day late, a dollar short but considering his past behavior of pretending it isn’t there (like with Hillary), it is better than nothing. We got NOTHING! NO VOTES COUNTED, NO RESPECT FOR THE BEST CANDIDATE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A WOMAN!

    He must have gotten some info on the way it is not going over too well, with the women folk…we still feel all black and blue after the misogyny PRIMARY FEST! 😦

  118. plural, on September 1st, 2008 at 3:19 pm Said:
    This is what Obama does — he lets his thugs run wild, and then makes a highminded statement. If he would tell them to shut up, it might be somewhat convincing.

    Exactly! This is what happened during the SC primary.

    I think they figured it was spelled the very end of Hillary’s run, altogether. So he sat mum for several days. Once it proved not to be the case, he suddenly decides to *respond* and assure everyone that he didn’t personally believe Bill’s statement to be r*cially charged. BO and his band of DNC thugs can go play on the 405 or I-95.

  119. I see Hillary as the expert and fighter on our healthcare system. We have serious problems of healthcare costs and coverage. I think Hillary, who is already very focused on this issue, should now be welcomed in as a senior advisor on trying to find us solutions.

    Hillary is compassionate, she comes from the middle upper class and therefore will not compromise care. She is financially literate so she can keep tabs on cost / effectiveness / waste / improvements of things. Hillary is also an American leader who realizes that this privilege comes with a duty and responsibility to hear and address the needs of the American people.

    I think it is now very important PUMA focus on keeping the checks and balances in place. With the players in the top of our party nothing frightens me more than them having control of the WH, House and Senate.

    George Bush how do you feel, does it make yo feel proud that Texas has a 25% uninsured rate. People DIE because of lack of coverage. It is time to work real hard to tap into your compassion, to live up to your responsibilities and to make sure all American citizens have access to quality healthcare. We already pay for it, we are not saying we want free care, we just want care that we can afford and know will not abandon or break us when we do get sick. Even healthy people get sick, everyone can get sick !
    So please, sit, look at the numbers, close the cracks, kick out the special interests and make sure the laws are in the peoples favor. Lets work hard on getting Americas health care system healthy.

  120. Holy heck, what is meter blades doing here? Go away.

    I’m not fussing myself about my vote for president. Riverdaughter @ 2:57 gave a sensible summary of how to retain one’s sanity.

    I will not vote for Obama because he in not qualify to be CIC. Period. The nomination process that put him on the ballot was seriously flawed. The DNC used voter supression/intimidation, abused the caucus system, and rigged the system so that Obama would win.

    I am a Clinton Democrat. I will not allow an old-fashioned corrupt party machine take my party away from its traditional base. We have in place a multi-pronged program to tale back the party of FDR. It’s called “The New Democratic Party.” That’s not a misnomer. Everything old is new again.

    As far as my presidential vote goes, I have plenty of time to make up my mind. Because I will not vote for Obama, that simplifies things: McCain or Abstain.

    This year has been a tough one for me for many reasons. One thing I’ve learned is that never again will I allow my life to be run by fear.

    The Confluence has saved my life. I thank all of you.

    Now let me roll up my sleeves and start working.

  121. Once again Obama is a day late and a dollar short, but that won’t stop the media from praising him to high heaven for his words. Wanna bet?

    My favorite is the “magnificent”, “speech of a lifetime” on race. Political expediency because Fox finally had the guts to reveal the Wright tapes, but all kinds of praise from he media. That speech should have been given to Wright and the TUCC years ago. That it wasn’t, and that this spineless creature lent credibility to the divisive, racist message by sitting in a pew and advertising his membership tells me all I need to know about Barack Obama.

  122. happy holiday all
    lets wait and see what HILLARY wants to do and then
    give her our 110percent support
    puma

  123. Nancy Pelosi will never let it happen.

  124. I think Senator Clinton would be the greatest majority leader ever.
    She could accomplish more than the so called democrats have done for the last 30 years.
    As far as backtrack and Senator Clinton policies, how do you know they are close?
    Backtrack changes policy with the rising of the moon and who ever contributed to him last.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  125. The three lower counties along the MS gulf coast have been under curfew since yesterday. US 90 along the beach is under water, and the surge has flooded many areas beyond. WLOX, our local TV station, reported two Mississippi cottages floating off their pilings in Waveland, the town wiped off by Katrina three years ago. We’ve had very little rain at this location. High winds have knocked two small limbs to the ground; one limb is hanging tuff from a southern pine across the yard from us. Lost power for about 20 mins. earlier in the pm. Tornado watch is up just west of us moving north; feeder bands are both to the east and west of our location. Weathermen except southern Mississippi to continue to have winds, rain, tornados imbedded in thunderstorms around the area. I am deeply impressed by the way all govt sections absorbed, digested, and implemented the terrible lessons Katrina taught. Cooperation has been unprecedented between federal, state, cities, and counties; national guard is housed nearby to help as soon as it’s safe and they’re needed. Red Cross and Salvation Army are ready. Shelters have been open since yesterday, including shelters for pets complete with identification protocols to make sure they go back to their rightful family. There have been very few emergency calls. My husband and I are safe, just thinking of everyone else west of us and praying for their safety. Thanks so much for your good thoughts. We expect to be out of the woods by late tomorrow afternoon then have rain for the rest of the week.

  126. The Democrats aren’t given Hillary any position of power – it’s obvious how they feel about women from this last year. Face it – the Republicans are showing more respect towards women – I never in a million years thought I would feel this way – never!

    I’m so disgusted with the Dems I may never vote Democrat again – unless Hillary sneaks in there – and I’m a lifelong Democrat who has NEVER voted against the party – even in local elections.

    McCain/Palin for me this year – no question about it! Country above party.

  127. If the Dems get hit bad in the Presidential they’ll be looking for a new leader and Hillary is the obvious choice. If they stay with the same leaders they’ll lose even more Dems.
    And don’t think Obama will have any power if he’s defeated. There are a lot of experienced Senators that hate this upstart (see McCain press release).

  128. Meh, the problem with this is that Pelosi is still pretty popular around these parts. There are a LOT of Obamatrons in San Francisco. :\\\\

  129. SuperSmackDown by McCain/Palin? Anything could happen, but I would put my money on your favorite target Senator Obama to be President in 08 and quite possibly in 12 too. Palin has an interesting life story and seems nice enough, but she will get killed in the debates and her positions are crazy conservative (and that is quite obviously not an attack comment dear moderator). Her selection is a pretty clear pander to the PUMA block given the choices on the table for McCain. Her acceptance speech left no doubt about that. I think the country, in sufficient numbers, will see past the ruse and we will get the first President in 8 years that is not an international embarassment.

    Oh.. and I think HRC would make a fine Senate Majority Leader. I like Harry, but I think HRC would have more fight in her.

  130. This is a great idea. With Hillary as Senate Majority Leader, she will work with President McCain to get things done for the American people, like health care, energy independence, getting out of Iraq responsibly. Harry Reid will do nothing but his typical partisan whine and nothing will get done for 4 years.

  131. I agree that Pelosi-Reid-Dean-Brazille need to go and the surest way to get rid of them is to defeat Obama in NOvember! Cindy Sheehan will not win against Pelosi, but with our help, McCain can beat Obama. Sheehan will offer the first real challenge to Madame “Let Them Eat Cake” Pelosi and she will dent her armor some but in the end the left wing radical nut jobs in SF love her to much.

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