Diane vs. Tweety
Diane Mantavoulos, co-founder of Just Say No Deal and number one instigator, went up against Chris Matthews on Hardball tonight. Chris was actually *decent*. Bravo, Chris! I would say you can be taught but I have a feeling you will backslide sooner or later, probably sooner. Anyway, Diane was disciplined and managed to fit in the caucus fraud issue. More on than that in a minute. Bonnie Erbe of US News and World report discussed what she’s found out about us. Actually, I think we are a broader demographic than pensioners and forty somethings. But one thing we most certainly are is able to detect BS when we see/hear it. The Hopey/Changey message just isn’t resonating with us.
Anyway, I can’t embed the msnbc video into wordpress but here’s the link if you want to see how it’s done (if you get multiple video options, choose the one that says “The Hillary Factor). Nice job, Diane!
Now, about the caucus fraud issue. Tonight, Lynnette Long issued her caucusanalysis1, a 98 page compilation of eyewitness accounts and caucus procedures from all around the country. Don’t forget that we also have two films in production on the subject of the caucuses. There will be a premiere party for the Audacity of Democracy in Denver on Sunday night.
Without the caucuses, Obama would not have been able to pull ahead of Hillary. Well, that and withholding her FL and MI delegates from her total. Never before have the caucuses trumped the bigger D and swing states in pushing one candidate so far ahead of another. Their procedures were vulnerable to manipulation and Lynette has put together a manual of sorts of how it was done.
The process was highjacked and as a result, a weak candidate who gamed the system was able to nullify the votes of more than half of the Democrats who voted. Those Democrats who were discarded would have made Hillary the nominee in any other year. By the time the TX and OH primaries were held in early March, it would have been all but over and Barack Obama would have been giving his concession speech. His inability to close the deal in the Big D and swing states is one of the reasons there will be no unity this year. Those of us who have been shut out of the decision making process will exercise our power in November in order to make sure that the DNC gets the message that we tried to deliver in the Spring.
Filed under: Media, Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: Caucus Analysis, Chris Matthews, Diane Mantavoulos, Hardball, Lynette Long |
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I’d love to see the video, but the link won’t work.
PUMA!
I can’t make the link work.
Great post otherwise!!
RD, without even going to Lynette’s site, I know how the caucuses were gamed, just by having watched the 2-hr CSpan video of the August RBC on Florida. They tried to FORCE FL to have a caucus, knowing that would mean leaving 100’s of thousands of voters out in the cold.
Dem party paid for caucus. State paid for Primary. ‘Nuff said.
Pumas were ahead of the curve on the primary scam and even the MSM has to acknowledge that now. I didn’t see the show because of boycotting msnbc, but I saw Diane on Fox a few weeks ago and she was excellent.
If he was nice to Diane it is probably because she is a looker. Otherwise he would have talked over, under, through her in order to get her to dissemble. That’s just the kind of guy he is.
SherryNC: You’re right. I watched that disgusting 2 hr RBC August video, and I didn’t remember that, or just didn’t put it together.
Mostly, I was just shocked speechless by that meeting. It was incredible, the disrespect shown to the FL delegation there. And Donna was just a total, total asshole; you’d never believe she was talking to fellow Democrats, let alone that she was employed by Democrats of all persuasions, and expected to be impartial.
I remember reading a while ago that the Clinton camp had lawyers documenting the caucus fraud. Whatever happened to that information? Reading some of Dr. Long’s examples, it sickens me. Why aren’t there objective monitors at every caucus location and/or trained Precinct Captains? If they cannot provide these due to the number of sites, then we can’t have caucuses–period. And this doesn’t even address the inability of many voters to attend: the elderly, disabled, shift workers, soldiers serving etc.
What kind of campaign allows (even encourages!) people to intimidate 80 yr. olds? One woman had her walker taken away and was ordered to the other side of the room. Are you proud of “winning” this way Senator Obama?
Was this research presented to the DNC, and if so when? This has to come out–if they suppressed this corruption to coronate Obama, it will bring all of them down. It’s reprehensible, and the absolute antithesis of our democratic principles.
Northshore: I saw that article elsewhere. I hate to tell you this but the birth certificate/citizenship issue is not one we’re particularly into. I find it very difficult to believe that Barack Obama does not meet the requirements for president according to the constitution. Please refrain from posting related materials here. There are other sites that might suit your interest in this topic. NoQuarter has been doing extensive oppo research. They are much more qualified to talk about an issue very few Conflucians have an interest in.
fif; I cannot imagine that anyone ever entertained the thought that the caucuses would be so outrageously gamed by these methods. Most of those people are unpaid volunteers from the community and were more than likely overwhelmed by the show of “strength” exhibited by the Obama supporters.
Yes, Diane certainly is beautiful.
For purposes of TV interviews, the caucus fraud imho is the most compelling explanation for the anti-Obama revolt; if she had failed to mention that, her justification for her position would have looked weak.
I think Diane was also correct in diagnosing a split among Democrats; I’m just wondering if it could be described as a division between the Soros backed MoveOn faction and PUMAs.
riverdaughter:
I’m with you on the birth certificate stuff. It’s absolute nonsense.
I think Obama is simply not qualify to be POTUS and his campaign was run by a bunch of thugs.
The main issue with Obama was summarized beautifully by the Jerusalem Post:
Good question if you ask me.
Excellent Job Diane. Someone must have threatened tweety and/or given him some Ritalin.
I like how you got the statement in on the sexism in the media.
PUMA HAKA 👿
Diane was excellent!– HOT too. 🙂
Pat – the Obama people that showed up during the day at my precinct were paid and from out of state. Now I don’t know where they went afterwards, but the people that took charge during the caucus were skilled!
Riverdaughter– I included you in my Stephanie Tubbs Jones tribute video– I hope you had a chance to see it.
John, I think the accuracy of the split still needs to be determined and probably will not be fully fleshed out until after the election. There are still people who I run into who are anti Obama but are not familiar with PUMA as such or what we actually stand for.
So essentially we are coming from the same place but are not fully fused. Much of their distaste is also directed at the Dem Party but they have not formed their opinion from being online. And admittedly they would not consider themselves political junkies such as ourselves. Soros, Kos, Huff Po, would not resonate with them. They just know they do not like what they see.
The rift may be internal as of now, but it will widen come November is my belief. Another Dem loss will call for a careful examination of the confluence which led to another defeat.
I saw the original interview this evening and Diane was very effective. She was well spoken and held her ground without being at all defensive. She spoke for and to many people who are out there wondering just why they won’t vote this year or will venture into R’land for the first time. Pat is correct though, Tweety’s ordinary MO will return all too soon. Also, I believe that NBC got a little too cute with their polling and discovered something they wanted to debunk and that is Hillary is the key to the election. With several items they wanted to find evidence that wasn’t true — they have been eating humble pie for the last couple of days.
I just received this email. I guess they think if they attempt to fix after the horse left the barn, that will placate us.
Dear fellow Democrat,
The 2008 election cycle has created a historic political climate for Texas Democrats. Approximately 1 million Democrats participated in our convention/caucus system. This surge of participation magnified the intricate workings of Texas’ unique hybrid primary/caucus system, resulting in logistical challenges for some of our Precinct and County/Senatorial District conventions.
As a result, I have appointed the Advisory Committee on the Texas Democratic Party Convention/Caucus System to examine the current process of our primary and caucus system. The Committee will conduct a series of meetings which will be open to the public and will allow for Democrats from all across the state to share their Primary/caucus experience. If for some reason you are not able to attend any of these hearings, you are encouraged to submit written testimony by e-mailing it to the Committee at testimony@txdemocrats.org. The Committee will then consider this feedback and make recommendations to the State Democratic Executive Committee for possible changes. For more information about the committee meetings, click here
The second meeting in this series of Advisory Committee Hearings will be held at the Harlingen Public Library in Harlingen, Texas on September 6, 2008 at 9 a.m.
Additional hearings will be held in the following cities:
September 12, 2008: Houston, TX
October 4, 2008: El Paso, TX
October 17, 2008: Arlington, TX
October 18, 2008: Nacogdoches, TX
November 8, 2008: Lubbock, TX
November 14, 2008: Austin, TX
An examination such as this will help inform and educate our Party leadership, elected officials and the general public about how best to approach the issue of potential modifications to the Convention process in Texas. Your testimony at these hearings will play an important role as we continue to explore our current Democratic Primary process. Only by working together will we be able to grow and strengthen as a Party.
Your friend and fellow Democrat,
Boyd L. Richie
Chairman
Texas Democratic Party
Harlingen Texas is 45 minutes from the border of Mexico and very difficult to get to. I don’t understand this location?????????????
geeklove, do you have that posted at any of the blogs?
This is weird, but I can’t watch a video at the youtube site, and I can’t see vids at MSNBC or CNN; but if they’re posted in a blog, I can!
Even my geek programmer son can’t figure it out. 😦
The geeklove video was moving.
Carol: Easier to flee?
poe, I don’t thing anyone can understand the FULL infamy of the RBC if they haven’t seen the August RBC meeting.
Geeklove, I just watched that video. it was lovely, thank you for making it.
TRULY BIG! I wish I’d known about the research by Lynette Long, as it is something I am myself extremely interested in regarding the primary (have a degree in math and specialize in statistics, the right vs biased collection, modeling, analysis, interpretations and uses of data)! Haven’t studied this full report yet, but if there’s a follow-up, continuation, and/or need for further contributions to the analysis, I’d be glad to help!
I agree GREAT JOB!!!
thing=think
darn
Geeklove:
Very moving tribute. You did it again.
Diane kicked butt. I hope that many disenchanted Hillary voters out there saw it (the ones who don’t surf the net so are unaware), and realize that they ARE NOT ALONE!
Diane was fantastic! Tweety was actually respectful? Hell froze over and no one told me?
Tweety’s sexism toward Hillary was her inspiration to start her web site….and she told him so! LOVE IT!
* 35.6 million people have voted
* The 37 primary states account for 97% of the vote.
* The 13 caucus states account for 3% of the vote.
Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses.
I’m calling it.
Time of Death of the Democratic Party-
November 4th 9:13pm.
Now hopefully on Nov 5, a rebirth begins and all of this nastiness can be put in the past… but never forgotten.
Pat – gary & Mawm will be able to report to you when they stop over that Eddy has ‘free will’. He is not attempting to flee, in fact, I think he has really worn out his welcome.
Those sappy looks he makes every time he sees Hillary on TV is really getting on my nerves.
Interesting that Matthews said he was tough on Gore, Kerry, and Hillary, but did not mention Obama. He also claims to be self-reflective. Uh…I haven’t seen that so much Chris. Erbe made some good points too. Diane does a good job.
I do have a suggestion: it would be great if the PUMA spokespeople got together and hammered out very clear and specific talking points to hit all the key issues and delivered these at every opportunity. That is what the pros do, regardless of the interviewer or even the question. Get the message out consistently: protest against anti-democratic processes, illegitimate nominee, FL & MI/RBC, disproportionate delegate allocation, caucus fraud, media bias etc. Rather than casually letting the interviewer determine the message, put our message out at every opportunity so all those sleeping PUMAs out their hear the clarion call and realize this is about d-e-m-o-c-r-a-c-y.
I don’t mean to sound critical, just my 2 cents.
Diane aka Princess wears Prada is FABULOUS – Tweety takedown!
the Stephanie Tubbs Jones video is also posted on my blog You can see it at
http://comealongway.wordpress.com/
Yea! Diane did an AWESOME job!!!
In addition to cluing people in on the caucus fraud, I think the truth about FL and MI also need to be pushed at every opportunity.
Many if not most people feel that splitting the delegates up 50/50 was “fair” but only I think, because they don’t understand what that meant.
Some STILL think Obama keeping his name off the ballot was done in the spirit of fairness while Hillary putting hers on was an act of cheating. Nor do they understand there are real people behind those votes they gave to Obama who NEVER intended him to have them. Like that lady who called in to one of the shows, who said she had wanted to vote for Edwards at the time, and felt robbed (which she was) because the DNC gave her vote to him. EVERYONE can relate to someone stealing from you. And that is the word I would use. STEALING! The fact is if the DNC, and they are the ones who need to be blamed here, hadn’t stolen this election and given it to Obama, Hillary would be the nominee now. But this never gets brought up in these tv interviews.
I wish we could have a slew of people from MI who had their votes stolen come out and speak about this. People would HAVE to listen then. Especially if it happened at the convention.
At this point the emphasis needs to be on the DNC “leaders” because they truly are the cause of this nightmare!
Is there a video link of the August RBC meeting?
Tweety’s sexism toward Hillary was her inspiration to start her web site….and she told him so! LOVE IT!
Yea, that was great.
I think tweety was taken by surprise when she called him on it
Why doesn’t BO asked Oprah, Kennedy’s, Rezko how many houses they have since he is so “mesmerized” with McCain’s Real Estate?
Once again, I see ADD.
there is no case to be made that Obama is the most liberal senator. Liberals don’t vote for the FiSA bill, for Cheney’s energy bill and they sure as heck don’t move the party farther away from universal healthcare.
Obama has moved from the center to the right. The charts that qualify him as an extreme liberal are basing that assessment on the fact that he has missed so many votes that there are a lot of controversial issues he can’t be judged.
The guy is a Republican. I’m sure of it.
I wish people would mention integrity and trust more often as reasons why we won’t vote for Obama. Really, the man is a liar.
PUMAs doing TV interviews must not assume that the world at large knows what happened.
Obama won on the strength of his performance in caucuses, and that strength very well may have been due to voter fraud and suppression.
I mark the time of death for the Democratic Party as May 31st, 2008. In full view of the world the current members of that august body dismantled the once great party we knew and replaced it with one that is totally unrecognizable today. Self serving, arbitrary, biased, mendacious, underhanded cheats.
The party in its current immobilized state will be finally laid to rest on November 5th, 2008 as a direct result of this seizure by the defeat of its own selected nominee. It will be viewed by many as a mercy killing since to continue would require a life support system that would become untenable.
Is everyone noticing the ‘drip drip drip’ of the Republican arsenal. It’s strategy is being launched and “O” is falling right into their trap.
He is. They are baiting him, and he’s walking right into it. The housing exchange showed that he is out of his league. He opened the door for Ayers, Rezko etc. and they’re already bringing it. If open tries to “out-negative” them, he’ll look like a hypocrite because of all his “new politics” talk, but if he doesn’t, he looks like a wimp. It’s satisfying to see all his dirty tricks that he used against Hillary backfiring on him now.
Thanks you geek love. What a wonderful video.
Yes, the arsenal is beginning to be unleashed. I heard Rove on Hannity today and it was just vicious.
I mark the time of death for the Democratic Party as May 31st, 2008.
I’m with you Pat. That was it. I couldn’t believe what I saw.
LOVED Diane–and loved that she called Chris out on the misogynistic crap. A little O/T–did anyone else see Geraldine Ferraro on Hannity & Colmes? What a class act! She was also questioned on the ‘Hillary Factor’ and she said that BO’s supporters needed to do more to get us on board, and that they had been “less than gracious” (what a fuc*ing understatement!). You can almost see her PUMA wristband peeking out from underneath her sleeve. 🙂 I’m just waiting to hear which white man BO will decide on to be his VP. Either way–“I’ll not be unhappy if he loses”, to quote Diane–heeheehee!
If open tries to “out-negative” them,
open? What the heck is that? It’s getting late. Of course I meant BO…
geeklove: I loved your video tribute to Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Yes I did notice we were featured. I did a double take. I was going to close out the night with it.
Love this site!
Diane was beyond great! “I have come full circle…….” was the best line. Way to go Diane!
I wish people would mention integrity and trust more often as reasons why we won’t vote for Obama.
Good point NH. Diane did talk about trust and I noticed it because that is critical:
TRUST
TRUST
TRUST
Wow- you guys are all amazing. Diane outperformed Tweety. I notice that even the MSM is beginning to realize that PUMA is a political force and they better understand us and our concerns. We are the soccer moms of this election. Geeklove, I loved your tribute. I only met Stephanie through this campaign, but I am grateful that I got to met her. Her strength encourages me to fight for democracy even if it is against the Democratic Party that I must fight. PUMA
Riverdaugter– somehow you doing a doubletake seems really endearing.
I say Hillary raises it from the dead on August 27, 2008.
I believe she will be the Nominee.
You can bet your bootie patooties the SD’s are ringing his cell phone out of his pocket asking him if the sh*t is really gonna hit the fan in the next couple of weeks.
Up until now, McCain has been only playing with his prey!
That Hillary is still referring to BO has her opponent tells me all I need to know. She is still in it to win it!
PUMA HAKA 👿
geeklove08–I’m sitting in my friend’s house online and bawling after watching your video. I feel so incredibly lucky to have happened upon these sites after I went looking for answers in early June. Thanks for making such a beautiful tribute to a great lady. It’s great to see PUMA’s making a difference. Have a great rest of the night all.
NH: I watched the August RBC meeting video at C-Span. I think it is still there. Well worth the shock and revulsion to your system.
Off topic but Gwen Stefani has just given birth to a baby boy and named him Zuma. Another poor innocent to join the ranks of those other celeb kids with really stupid names! What is wrong with these people?
Irlandese- thank Riverdaughter for this great space. Glad you found it.
And this housing attack on McCain– didn’t the O team realize that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?
Or as Obama might say, “people who, uh, live in glass, uh, houses, shouldn’t, you know, throw stones.”
I do not think there is a “split” in the party, I think there is a fringe radical left wing of it, that found a way to hijack it….for now. Again, they used the “black guy” to reel in the black voters, who would otherwise have NO part in supporting a radical unqualified loser like Obama. But for that, they would have gotten NO WHERE. Well, as far as their own radical supporters and stupid gullible college kid coalition could have gotten them.
But because the black vote is so significant, it makes it appear the party is divided. We’re on the same wave length on the issues, the majority of black voters, and those of us on the PUMA side, and the vast majority of Dem voters, I think, just vote for a dem, taking little notice of what I think is a mostly underground war at this point. They may have felt things for Hillary were unfair, but not enough to look beneath the surface. They just wait until they have a nominee then vote for the person, regardless of who it is, or how they got there.
To me, someone who never blogged before, and is pretty new to this online political world. I would say if there is a split, it’s between those of you who once were with the bloggers who now back Obama. I guess you all are activists, who USED to work together, but this election has changed all that.
But because most people do not get involved, the balance of power is wielded by just a handful, who are now divided.
What happens to the future of this party will depend on which of the 2 groups comes out the strongest. I don’t see that you 2 will ever coalesce again. I don’t know which side was larger at the time of the split, perhaps Obama’s side? However I DO know this election caused a LOT of people, like me to get involved. That increases and strengthens THIS side, but Obama’s side will have acquired all those college kids, so it may balance out.
The difference will probably be in the black community and in the finances. There are very few blacks who will be activists, especially after Obama loses. And probably fewer still, willing to commit money to the cause. Nor do I think those college kids have much to give. That just leaves the radical liberals, who though they may be rich, do not out number the regular joe shmo like me. I don’t have a lot to give, but I WILL give. I think ultimately that is what will make the difference.
I think after the convention, once people truly know about “us” the number of PUMAs and just those who realize they can and MUST make a change to this party will soar!
Then see how much political power we have!
FYI – I just sent this to the “Democratic Rapid Response Team”, aka the Obama DNC.
Their Title: “How Many Houses?”
My response in body: “Per the above: He who lives in Rezko financed house, and a Rezko financed lot sliver, should not throw stones.
McCain had a great rapid response ad to this. Sorry – Barry loses this round.”
If you got the same Email, hope you get tell them they’re not quick enough, or find another suitable rejoinder.
Dylan04: Are you new? If so, welcome to The Confluence! Everyone, say hello to Dylan04 and bring him/her a hot dish to make her feel at home.
No company would hire anyone with Obama’s empty track record, pattern of underachievement and padded résumé to be CEO. Is America really ready to hire him as President?
I’ve always liked that analogy. He wouldn’t even get an interview for CEO. He’d be placed at mid-level management to work his way up. It’s so obvious it drives me crazy.
Better than “Zima!” ^_^
geeklove, thank you for linking your website (which I’ve now bookmarked). That is a very, very beautiful video. It was a comfort to know this courageous woman was on the planet, and I miss her already.
I see RD has embedded the video now, too. That will give it more and well-deserved exposure.
Thanks again. I’m off to bed now. Goodnight, Conflucians!
Yeah. I agree, but the moment they do, it’ll be personal attack, and charges of racism will start flying…..AGAIN!
Thanks rd. A major lurker. Dylane04 (she) accepts the hot dish and extends warm greetings to all!
The orange site is going ballistic over the “McCain owns 7 homes” thing. Dunno. I’m not reading it the same way. Opens the door to the Rezko stuff and more. McCain is a known entity to most of the voters. I don’t associate McCain with caring much about money or being lavish in spending, quite the opposite. (Of course he doesn’t seem interested in the government doing anything to help those who don’t have money. But I’ve not seen much sign that Obama would do much either. He’s trying to steal Hillary’s words on that..)
It’s also a relief to spend my time here and reading TalkLeft and a few other sites where everyone is not carrying on in hateful language and on a crusade to destroy the opposition (whoever that may be) at any cost. I’d forgotten how bad it was, but it can’t be good to spend too much time around folks with torches and pitchforks.
I whole-heartedly agree!!!!! ^_^
Should be RD…….
D’oh, will someone mind fishing my 11:22 comment out of moderation? Not sure what I said.. 🙂
PS – NH, I watched the August CSpan video from a link RD posted long time ago. I can’t quickly find it now, but maybe RD still has it. Well worth watching.
Welcome dylane04! Please stick around and make yourself at home. We often have cocktail parties and you would be most welcome. Just a warning though: it can get pretty addictive so if you enjoy a sparkling clean house you may want to call Merry Maids as you may find things “piling up” as they say.
Well folks it all just seems unreal what we’ve been through these last few months. I just admired Stephanie so much. Having “married” into a political family I know what loyalty is all about and I know how fair weather your friends are in the political game. Only your truest friends will stick with you during the rough times. I’ve seen it first hand. Stephanie, we will miss you so much. Thank you.
Further on the obit of the DNC:
The Democratic Party has fought mightily after first being diagnosed on February 12, 2005 with a little known, but deadly infestation of sapstreak disease (sometimes called Saps). It is quite a coincidence that the diagnosis came on the same day as the election of Dr. Howard Dean as Chairman of the DNC. Sapstreak is also a disease of the sugar maple native to HoDean’s Vermont. It is not known if HoDean was the lone carrier, but the disease is fatal and there is little or no salvage value left once infection takes hold. It is with sadness that many mourn the brutal destruction of the once great party by an infestation of Saps.
Yes, but give the pre-schooler credit, he/she probably knows there are only 50 states. My granddaughter does and she is only 5.
fif; I cannot imagine that anyone ever entertained the thought that the caucuses would be so outrageously gamed by these methods. Most of those people are unpaid volunteers from the community and were more than likely overwhelmed by the show of “strength” exhibited by the Obama supporters.
That’s so true Pat. That’s why the suppression of this evidence is even worse. The Obama campaign actually TRAINED people to be intimidating and ruthless and then bused them in!? And the DNC knows about this and has done nothing? If it can be explained simply and clearly to the American people, it would be devastating. It would deeply offend everyone’s sense of fairness.
prolix: You never cease to amaze.
Oh…that Sapstreak is deadly. So sad.
SO – does anybody out there know how we go about forming a new party?
I know the Pope approves new religious communities. Is there some governing authority that confers ‘”partyhood” (how un-American would THAT be?) – or have we already done it?
Two things can happen:
1- Obama’s self-destruction and voter attrition can speed up over the next few days and he can just lose the nomination when Hillary’s name is put up and trapped in a convention hall the obots wake up from their poppy-induced sleep and actually swing to her.
2- The DNC makes the mistake of making it a show.
I heard Jonathan Alter with KO on Countdown tonight. He honestly believes a night of celebrating Hillary in Denver can replace 4 years of Hillary in the Oval Office for us.
If the celebration carries over into some serious swings from the marginal obots, she can get the nomination.
If she doesn’t get it, we’re outta here – and not to the GOP because we’re already organized. Right now we’re a faction of the dem party, but we can be pulled back in w/ Hill in the top slot, or we can break away.
My son went off to college in CA and met up with a beautiful Gwen look a like from Fort Worth, Texas. They dated and broke up 4 times. She finally went home after he graduated and married her high school boyfriend for about 10 minutes.
On January 4th, 2005, I got on an airplane to San Francisco, stopping in Las Vegas with a bunch of UT Longhorns headed to the Rose Bowl. (My son went to USC.) Low and behold, here she comes walking down the aisle trying to get back to LA and sits right behind me on the plane. Well, needless to say, she was surrounded by UT students flirting their butts off with her. We both had a layover in Las Vegas so we went to eat and talk. She said she wanted to speak to Ryan because she missed him. I told her, “over my dead body.” She laughed because she thought I was kidding. She now writes Children’s Books and lives in Hawaii. Maybe, I can call her and ask her to pick up a copy of BO’s BC!
Nite, Nite…………Eddy’s getting tired.
Carol: *&*(&*(&^%%%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it can get pretty addictive so if you enjoy a sparkling clean house you may want to call Merry Maids as you may find things “piling up” as they say.
Pat, I love how you mention your messy house, because I have gotten NOTHING done since January. It’s ridiculous. I keep saying that tomorrow I will put the computer down and clean. Doesn’t happen–there’s always some tasty morsel that gets my attention and suddenly 2 hours have gone by. And here I am again…at 11:30 p.m. Oh well, at least we’re informed, if a little dusty.
Did he actually say that?!?!?! wholly crap these people ARE outta their minds!!!!
Still4Hill – yes, we will send the soldiers in Afghan and Iraq a video of the beaches in Tahiti and tell them they are on vacation.
PUMA HAKA 👿
“Diane put those Manolos right up Tweety’s butt and he loved every minute of it.”
LOL!!! Yeah, he said “are you going to be at the convention?” but you could tell he meant “whatchu doin’ after?”
Loved that she called him out on being a sexist b@st@rd!
fif: It is so true. Since I placed myself on a moratorium of cable news (I do slip every once in awhile) I tend to get my morning updates for this site and a few others. I have never been this focused on a subject ever. If someone ever told me that I would be so incensed at what has occurred I would have sloughed it off.
I have so many projects lined up yet I keep crawling back here to touch base throughout the day. Somehow I have this impression of myself that EVERYBODY needs to know what I think. A big failing I will admit to.
But when you feel as if your future is derailing outright there has to be an outlet. Otherwise you can go slowly nuts. As for housework, well there is always tomorrow. But I do manage to shower and dress each day, for this I take pride. The only thing missing at this point is a cat!
I personally am looking forward to gary & Mawm showing up here in Texas. I have their chores already listed for taking care of everything that hasn’t been done around my house for 8 months. Do you think we can sue the DNC and BO for the time we have wasted in our lives?
I hope they like their Service Personnel Uniforms I have purchased for them!
I just hope gary and Mawm bring their cells since I have a feeling that once they get in they will never get out. Ed being the model.
State & Pat: LOL! Once again, we make each other feel less crazy. Thank God for this outlet or we’d all be muttering to ourselves in our slippers.
fif – so who’s not muttering in their slippers?
Hello, dylane04, as well as lurkers.
Trust me, the Republicans if they could would let the entire election, including all three presidential debates, be about who has a “housing problem.” They could fly in a few of those Rezko tenants and give them a heated room for a change. I figure Johnny Mac is on track now for about three hundred electoral votes.
He didn’t say the replacing 4 years part (that’s the part we’re interested in), but he implied it. Very sincerely he explained ( I love how they all know what will happen – eveybody has ESP) that she will speak and there will be thunderous celebration of her that will go on for a very long time and then, having gotten that out of our systems, we’ll all move on to the next phase. He does believe in the “catharsis model”. I almost felt sorry for him. he was so sincere. And the past 2 nights, Christweetfer has had glassy-eyed deer-in-the-headlights moments. Last night when their own poll results came up unexpectedly and he honestly was shacked that Hillary’s name was even there. I think I saw him PALE, and he stared and his eyes were empty. He was like that again tonight, but for longer while Diane was on. They honestly don’t have any idea how big or old this is or that Hillary didn’t do it.
I actually think that some squatters may have moved in downstairs. Maybe I will check it out prior to the deadline for them to be able to claim ownership and residency. Maybe not, if I have to leave my computer.
SOD: That essay was wonderful! So well reasoned and expressed. Terriffic!
They are probably some of BO’s and Rezko’s homeless.
I cancelled my NEWSWEEK subscription a year ago when they started bashing Hillary relentlessly.
I cancelled ours about a month ago when we got YET ANOTHER COVER of BO’s face. I got tired of ripping the cover off. Did you see the one when they shot his head from behind with dark background and had–I kid you not–a halo around it? I called their subscription department and wanted to make sure they knew why I cancelled: “because it has become nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Obama campaign.”
fif: I have been barefoot all summer!
Squatters – you guys are so funny.
Carol, don’t hurry or anything, you have 7 years under most adverse possession statutes, so take your time.
They honestly don’t have any idea how big or old this is or that Hillary didn’t do it.
I was glad that Diane made that really clear: we have NO contact with the Hillary Clinton campaign.
LOL
Exercise, healthy eating, paperwork, social life…have all taken a hit from being sucked down the blog hole. There must be some kind of intervention for this syndrome. (But not yet!)
fif – right,right, right – and that was one of the many glassy-eyed moments.
Funny – I learned about PUMA at Hillary’s facebook wall and have only been back there once since only to lurk. As soon as this was in my scope and I saw what was happening, I knew we had to create big distance.
Obama started it and now gives McCain free rein to attack him. Dumb move by Obama, but really Obama has nothing to campaign with except lies and resume padding.
fif – so who’s not muttering in their slippers?
LOL!! You guys slay me…
fif: My kids just laugh and shake their heads.
I have a question. If I already maxed out for Hillary’s campaign, am I able to help pay down her debt, or will it roll over to Bambi?
WMCB: Paul Abeles of Real Democrats told me that they have to “say” it will go into her Senate reelection coffers, but that is just a technicality and they can use it to pay down off vendors.
I’m remembering the famous “catharsis” video when one woman asked Hillary if she had heard of PUMA. Hillary answered yes she had. And the moment of silence that followed and subsequent change of topic were stunning. Whoa! Self-censorship on 2 sides. She does know every single thing we’re doing. But every one of us can testify under oath that we did this alone without Hillary. If they try to blame her for anything bad that comes of the nefarious DNC activities of this election, there will be hell to pay. I don’t know what will happen because I DON’T have ESP, but I sense courtrooms.
I just hope gary & Mawm can do Hair and Nails.
“Obama…the Forest Gump of politics.”
NO, NO, NOOOOO!!!!
SOD: Forrest was not an opportunist. Forrest did the “right” things. Forrest kept a promise to his friend Bubba even when the latter died. Forrest stood by his girl all of her life. Forrest remembered what his Mama taught him. Forrest never played dirty. I love Forrest Gump. I mean I lllloooove him.
Obama ain’t nothin like mah Forrest.
state – someone on another blog stated: “The dogs took their bowls and food and left home weeks ago.”
I’m remembering the famous “catharsis” video when one woman asked Hillary if she had heard of PUMA. Hillary answered yes she had. And the moment of silence that followed and subsequent change of topic were stunning.
Was that the SF video with Hillary on the porch? I don’t remember that part, was it at the beginning? How great.
Those dogs are in my back yard. The cats fed them.
state – someone on another blog stated: “The dogs took their bowls and food and left home weeks ago.”
Cut it out! You’re killing me. You sound like Jack Benny with these one liners. 🙂 Take my wife–please!
Still: you actually topped her! Feels so good to laugh. No wonder I don’t want to leave this site…it’s so ugly out there.
You guys have me laughing out loud! Question: If you stay up for three days straight but bathed on the first day, does this actually qualify as “bathing every day”? I need an answer. Tx.
I saw Diane on Hardball this evening and just had to write to say how misguided you people really are. For you to help the Republicans win this election based on some grudge and mistaken belief that Hillary was somehow robbed of the nomination is idiotic. She lost because of her own ineptitude and mismanagement. Hillary didn’t get my vote for the following reasons:
-she couldn’t get healthcare reform passed in the 90’s because of her own unwillingness to compromise.
-she wants to be treated as an equal, regardless of her sex, but always plays the victim.
-despite the fact that she campaigned as having the most experience, she ran a shoddy campaign with a flawed strategy and couldn’t meet her financial obligations to her vendors (those hardworking middle class people that she was supposedly fighting for)
-her tactics were deplorable and destructive which is not what this country needs.
-it was obvious that Hillary thinks the presidency is owed to her. She is not about the doing the right thing for America, she is about doing the right thing for Hillary.
I used to be a big supporter of the Clintons. No longer. I will NEVER support Hillary for president and she will NEVER be president. Her, and people like you, have lost my support FOREVER.
The fact that you have a link to “Obama’s muslim file” just shows what lengths you people will go to. I find you disgusting and suggest you seek psychological help.
So go ahead…vote for McCain. And when the supreme court moves to the far right for DECADES, our national debt and economy sink even further (but hey…don’t worry, your kids can pay it off), as big oil and the far right continue to dictate the policies of our country, as your sons and daughters are sent off to foreign wars you’ll only have yourself to blame.
Pat – how would we know? I’ll ask gary & Mawm when they get here if they can find their way from the front door to my office.
We better schedule our abortions now and avoid the rush after the inauguration!
is the legitimacy of the caucuses, from which B.O.’s lead derived, going to be challenged at the Dem convention? If not WHY NOT?
Someone please stomp on the troll. He’s a real buzz kill with all this gaiety. Of course, I just scrolled right by as soon as I saw his name.
There’s also a new thread!
One more before bed…help me!
Thank you for your “concern”, steve. Ciao.
Oh my goodness… a troll! Quick…somebody grab him and twirl the hair on top of his head into a point.
It’s so much fun!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
steve: I am hurt and overwhelmed! Saying I no longer have your support: does this mean I can no longer look to you to help pay off my psychologist? And when were you a big supporter of the Clinton’s? Select a year since you seem so turned off by her early attempts to institute universal health care. Steve, calm down. As you came so close to pointing out, we are just silly females. What do we know anyway? We look to people like you, strong, manly, powerful, all knowing, to guide us. Thanks for dropping by. We all feel better now.
Still – your site is beautiful. I will start looking tomorrow.
Complain about the national debt, back a candidate who proposes spending programs in the trillions, shed a few crocodile tears about the young folk who’ll get the bill.
Yeah, isn’t that special.
“Her, and people like you, have lost my support FOREVER.”
How am I ever going to get over it?
steve: Yawn.
I said there that this is about democracy and our country, not about Hillary. But she’s the one who caught all the bullets. That hurts me and I think all of us since we love her.
Still: I know, it’s painful and makes us love her all the more. She’s such a peaceful warrior.
Regarding steve’s comments:
Carol, on August 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 am Said:
We better schedule our abortions now and avoid the rush after the inauguration!
Why thank you, Carol! Really it’s very nice of you to say that.
I also needed a boost after Steve just dissed the whole bunch of us and shunned us forever.
Steve,
Does Eydie know you talk like this?
I will NEVER support Hillary for president and she will NEVER be president. Her, and people like you, have lost my support FOREVER.
Sounds like stevie is really really upset. Wonder why?
Are Steve and Eydie still alive?
Prolix: that is probably decades and decades over his head!
Still: your site looks great. I bookmarked it too. I didn’t know Diane Feinstein broke her ankle and can’t be at the Convention. Another Hillary loyalist down.
Still4Hill: Your blog is gorgeous. It goes on the blogroll now at my blogs. Another place nobody visits, but I never visit it either so it’s all good.
fif: Thanks. Actually I multi-task by doing this and watching TV at the same time. So I have all the comfort here while I watch the msm either dictating her moves over the next 24 hour cycle:
She has to X, and if she DOESN’t, Y. Or else there saying something nasty. So it’s like a strange sort of stereo.
But you’re right. They keep shooting, and there she is doing what they said she had to. I want to strangle them.
StillforHill: That is a classy website you’ve got there.
I believe Steve is Pfleger’s brother! The problem, Steve, is that Obama has so little knowledge, originality, respect for or commitment to the concerns of Americans that, in the end, the vast majority will HAVE to vote for McCain. It was over the day the Wright tapes were revealed, and further rounds of nails in the Obama coffin ensued following his pathological defense of anti-American vitriol and arrogance.
You see, (or will bery soon) Emperor Obama simply has NO CLOTHES!
Pat, don’t know, but in college we always said to the Steves who were being jerks, where’s Eydie?
Dante just created another level of hell for the MSM and all the lousy pundits who have no clue what they are talking about. And though I know I have a space reserved for myself already, and have been working on the gingham curtains in my spare time, I just hope it is nowhere near my site.
Oh Wow! Regency – YOURS is beautiful. I bookmarked it and will put it on my blogroll, too.
As for Steve and Eydie, I saw Steve in some rather recent movie. I can’t remember which – maybe it was “Bobby” since every Democrat in Hollywood was in that. Anyhow, I was shocked! He looks exactly the same.
Hmmmm – ugly, aging portrait in the attic????
How about Botox, facelift, eyelift, chinlift?
OMG, state – I love your PUMAs! I’ll do likewise – – LOL.
I am off to bed. Tomorrow is “cleaning” day. It exhausts me just thinking about it!
We’ve heard so many similar experiences of caucus goers — especially individuals who went to “vote” for Hillary.
The Obama thugs were well organized — I do believe the Dean/Donna/Obama plan was to “win” the caucuses and use that to create the illusion of “winning” the Primary.
From the beginning we heard the Obamabots chanting — Obama “won” more states — small population caucus states is what he “won”.
Comparing Idaho with California is just plain stupid — but it suited the Obama myth builders just fine — a lie? Who cares when they have an election to steal.
However, I don’t believe that the Obama/Soetoro crowd considered the real democrats — the ones who they were counting on to vote the candidate with the “d” next to their name.
Too many of us watched the Obama thugs game the caucuses. I think that the early reports from the first caucus states may have been dismissed — but there are now too many reports of bullies and thugs gaming the caucuses for Obama/Soetoro to be discounted.
Google “Delphi Technique” — this is probably the method the Obama thugs used — which is part of the Alinsky method.
The Obama/Soetoro thugs were trained and ready to game the system — Clinton’s side was NOT trained — and this sort of thug tactics were not expected.
Pat, I dunno! Sort of the way Dick Clark never changed until he had his stroke. Little Richard doesn’t change, and neither does Charo.
I guess you’re right, it can’t be natural.
…or, maybe it’s SATAN!
Pat, forget the Chez de la Rings’ apartment, come on down to the river Styx where I have a nice houseboat with an asbestos hull. Every night there’s a cookout.
Night, Pat J.
Good-night, Pat.
Regency – your site is beautiful also.
However, correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t I ban you off to college?
Eddy says go to bed and go to college!
Go Diane!! She really rocked that interview. I almost fell off the couch when Tweety started to itemize who he’d been hard on — it was practically a freakin’ apology.
The only thing I disagree a bit about is that it’s the center people who don’t like him. I’m sure that’s true of a lot of folks, and JSND has more moderates imo than strictly PUMA, but I’m very far left. But I hate when people say it’s the far left wing of the party that’s the problem. IT’S NOT.
It’s the cheating, bullying, personality cult faction of the party that is the problem. As I said the other day on PUMA radio, it’s the process, stupid. I have no problem being in a coalition and working hard for a Democratic party that is overall moderate; I have a big problem being in the same party as thieves and cheaters.
And I have a big problem being in a party that’s trying to purge all the everyday folks they should be championing.
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Ok, enough of that! Carol and Pat I too love your updates on the state of your houses! I had to hide in the bathroom the other day from my dustbunnies. They’d formed a union (“East Coast Hutch Workers Unit 872”) to demand a bedroom of their own!
prolix: My house has 8 rooms, not an apartment! It seriously is not that bad. I just need to vacuum up the weekly supply of cookie crumbs and candy wrappers that tend to accumulate around my ankles. Much of it is a lick and a promise. And I swear by 25 watt bulbs.
Valhalla – I say just give them the whole damn house like I did.
Pat, I was talking about the place you said you had reserved in the circles of Hell. Your house is perfect if I had to bet.
Selena is starting – another woman cut down in the prime of her life!
Jennifer Lopez deserved the Academy Award for that movie!
prolix: Let’s put it this way: I do not own a pet but there is something lurking in the den. Not sure if is a rather large ball of dust or a living thing. One of these days I am really going to have to check it out since it will be time to haul the Christmas tree in from the garage (completely decorated from year to year) as this is the spot I usually place it. And until I get notification from the Board of Health I feel I am one step ahead of the game.
As for the lighting, I find when I hold my Book Club meetings, though we cannot quite see each other in the dark, we tend to become much more dependent on one another because we are constantly reaching out to help someone who may be tripping or falling on the way to the drinks table. It is called bonding.
Pat, rolling on the floor.
A couple of rednecks came around my house the other day and wanted to buy one of my rather robust dust bunnies to pass off as Bigfoot. Don’t know how that turned out for them.
Yes, I saw Geraldine Ferraro. She’s one of my heroes of this primary. I am still fuming about how she was assaulted for comparing her history with that of Obama: noting that she would not have been asked to be a VP if she were not female, and that Obama would not be in the spot he is if he were white. What got me so angry was that Obama never stood up and pointed to his own senatorial website, where he was quoted as admitting the same thing. He’s been a coward who benefits from the actions of other, and that’s not leadership befitting a president.
Geraldine didn’t recant then, and she’s still standing strong with her convictions. I loved it when Colmes tried to force her to say if she wanted McCain or Obama picking supreme court justices and she turned it around to a discussion about the democratic congress having a backbone. There’s an idea!
Well, I can’t get into any of this caucus fraud material until tomorrow. I did look at Dr. LL’s website dedicated to that research alone. But if there’s a new video, I want to see it.
You know I don’t remember any primary as contentious as this. It just crossed my mind that there might be a hidden agenda considering the players.
Bear in mind that I’m very tired from staying up blogging and watching the Olympics until 2 a.m. for 2 weeks, but what if…
To avoid impeachment and prosecution (on very serious, treacherous charges – poor Dennis Kucinich also gets dissed) the Bush Administration set Obama up as the contender against Hillary (who WAS sure to win) and engineered his success with help from Pelosi and others who could be bought or influenced?
Where did all of Obama’s $$$ come from? I have a colleague who is still asking that question. Why is Pelosi so dead set against impeachment and prosecuting Rove? And why does Obama sound more like Dubya as the days go by?
I keep feeling that deep inside the empty suit there is some deep dark secret. I thought Dubya was The Manchurian Candidate. Is Obama “Son of The Manchurian Candidate”?
I mean I know, I’m tired. But I’ve only been drinking Crystal Light.
Pat – I only invite company over that are “really” into Braille.
Carol & Pat – Books on Tape – no light needed – just the boombox.
Nite Nite.
I have to grab my Non-Color Berry to sleep with it just in case Barry calls me with his decision.
I know I/we have to do this. It’s painful, though. I hate seeing Hillary hurt. And she’s been through so much losing 2 friends and supporters so close together. I just want everybody in Denver to draw around her and give her a big hug.
I have a blog that nobody visits (but it’s where I can get stuff out, so I feel better), and I said there that this is about democracy and our country, not about Hillary. But she’s the one who caught all the bullets. That hurts me and I think all of us since we love her.
I had a fear for the past 6 or 8 weeks that somebody in this election was going to die – not Obama – somebody we loved, and I was very fearful for Hillary. I didn’t think about it last week when Bill Gwatney was killed because it was an illness I had a fear of, not a murder. I thought of it immediately, though when poor Stephanie died the way she did.
I just can’t get over this feeling that this whole Obama phenomenon didn’t just happen. It has a dangerous feeling to it.
Well, I’m off, too (but you already knew that). Hasta manana,
todas las Hillaristas.
Poor Steve. He thinks Hillary lost. She got the voters. Those 15% turnouts in red caucus states aren’t going to do much for Obama in the general.
The democratic party can never cry over counting the votes again.
Still4Hill: Months ago I said that this thing would have casualties. It has be they direct or indirect. (The first primary in decades to have a body count. Hurts.) I’m still worried about Bill’s heart.
Regency – if you would leave Bill alone, he would be just fine.
Diane is a class act…she did very well and smiled (my favorite part). Go Diane… 🙂
I thought the other guest looked funny saying how Hillary voters were ‘old’ and Diane is sitting there just looking ‘HOT’…should we all look that good on camera! I can see many American women saying YUP…that is US!
I was surprised that Chris Mathews didn’t ask why the women were so mad at him…hemmmm!
heh, if any of those disastrous things happen, steve will still have his blanky: everyone else is wrong, and bad, and crazy, everyone except steve.
Just wanted to say I love you people and I will SEE U MONDAY!
*kisses!* EA
Diane was simply great! RD, thanks for putting up the video. We all have a feeling of realistic hope going into the convention. PUMAs have brought so much to light.
I personally have found a great comfort in our online community, a comfort that I had been unable to find with my friends and family. The divide Diane talked about is real and palpable. Something good has been started out of all this lying and deception.
Let’s keep hope alive through Denver, then keep on with our call for reformation of the Democratic Party.
GO GO GO!!!
Carol: I could say the same for you, Pat, and Joanie with Eddy. A man needs to eat between bouts of strenuous activity. He’s already pulled a groin muscle.
Trolls are so weird. There’s a slew of them on the 7/29 thread “Did Obama steal the primaries”. They must travel in packs.
I like myiq2xu’s solution: why delete when you can edit? Blah Blah Blabbity Blah!
heh- I’ve even put off taking my summer vacation until the first week of September.
Now I think about it my son (age 19) has not been around much lately…he seems to be eating out a lot….
ROFL with those lightbulbs and braille comments.
Late to this one, but WOW! Diane is wonderful!
Now where the heck is my pension check???
Wouldn’t paying off Hilary’s debt (much of it owed to small businesses in the states she campaigned in) have sent a clearer message much quicker? I mean, if her debt were wiped out in June and July (the same time the RNC, DNC, Obama, and McCain all reported millions in fundraising), wouldn’t that have given the superdelegates pause?
PUMA pays off HRC’s debt…that would have dominated headlines for days. Why didn’t this happen?
Now it’s hard to gauge just how large the PUMA movement is. Something that can’t be determined until November?
I mean now it’s hard for others out there, haters and doubters, to say exactly how big PUMA is.
The SEIU and the Culinary workers union, I am told and had ssome experience with one, had 300 paid staff and members in Texas. They worked all the neighborhoods that were mixed or heavy AA and them “gamed” the caucuses. Hillary wins the state by 100,000+ votes and loses the delegate count by 4+. The reason for the + is, there were challenges and did not see the final talley, but I heard he even “gamed” the state convention and increased his number. I left my senatorial district caucus because they told us that we did not have enought delegates present to qualify for any Clinton delegates and wanted us to “pair” (whatever that means) with the Obama delegates and we would sent more delegates to the state convention. Of course, they would be used to increase the number of Obama delegates from the state.
Great job, Diane. I detect a much more respectful tone in ol’ Chris. Maybe it is dawning on him that his man-crush isn’t going to win and that maybe, just maybe, his own sexist remarks had a lot to do with that fact. Either that or he’s realizing that his big mouth and biased coverage may have also cost him the Meet the Press gig he so desperately wanted.
Maybe she meant to name the baby “Puma” …
I know it’s just one data point, but I’m a 19-year-old male and I’ve supported Sen. Clinton the entire primary season and have grave misgivings about supporting Obama, so I think that the MSM may be underestimating our power and numbers.
You spoke for me. the biased media angered me to the point that I can’t vote for Obama. Just the thought of Matthew,Olbermann,Mccafferty,Woolfe(Newweek)Carl Bernstein Eugene Roberson and other enjoying Hillary’s loss blows my mind. Keep up the good work.
Thought everyone should read this:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/21/131623/210