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Afternoon Round-up and Fundraiser continued…

The BFF has requested quality time. So I am off to the movies this afternoon and dinner this evening. In the meantime, check out what is being said around the web:

  • First up, anglachel has been hitting them out of the park in the last couple of days. Her latest posts are aboslute must reads: Greater than their Self Interest is about what matters most to the Obama and the McCain campaigns. Disclaimer: Obama is NOT the nominee and it was an egregious violation of principle for the DNC and the media to treat him as such. But be that as it may, the Faith Forum was apparently an eye opener for many people. I’m sorry I missed it. It sounds like McCain kicked ass. The other post is Not Welcome at the Party. It’s about the embarrassing and rude treatment that Welsey Clark experienced at the hands of the Obama campaign, who not only plagiarized his theme, Securing America, but told him he wasn’t needed. Like Anglachel, I adore Clark. I know that few people aside from Hillary herself has worked harder for the Democratic Party in the last several years. This was just a stupid move.
  • Regency has a post at Alegre’s Corner about what it means to be a good woman. Definitely worth the read and provides a nice counterargument to the stupid stuff we’ve seen from Gail Collins and Real Clear Politics this am.

Don’t forget our Fundraiser for Denver’s PUMA HQ and media center.

Fundraising continues today and will end tonight at midnight!!. PUMAPac’s goal for today is $6000. All those who have contributed can pat yourselves on the back and go have a picnic. Everyone else, step up and donate a $10 spot or a yuppie foodstamp. You can make your donation here. Little bits were all it took for us to make $4980 yesterday. Of course, if you can spare more, Murphy will be eternally grateful. If your checkbook is emty but your inkjet printer is not, Murphy has a whole list of action items you can do this weekend that will be just as effective. You can also make a donation to Just Say No Deal who is organizing events at the media center. It can be done. Thank you very much for your support of our outreach efforts in Denver. Let’s reset the counter, Carol!

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  1. Today’s contributions:

    PUMApac……$40.00
    Just Say No Deal….$40.00
    The Denver Group..$40.00
    Gary and Mawm’s Great Adventure…$50.00

    Thank you for all you do. I just don’t have enough words to tell you how much I appreciate you. Please be careful in Denver, and have as much fun as you can.

  2. I just don’t get Obamanation dissing Clark like that, unless it’s just impossible for The Precious to share the spotlight with anyone.

  3. Transcript of Saddleback Faith Forum last night:

    http://rickwarrennews.com/transcript/

    Other than Michelle and his grandmother BO listens to Sam Nunn, Dick Luger, Ted Kennedy and Tom Colbert.

  4. I didn’t watch the whole depressing charade with the suddenly crucial constituency Rick Warren (who knew a best seller and a megachurch could do this much for one individual).

    Reading some of the comments in Obamaland, I got the feeling we were dealing with the very “calculating” and “shrewd” McCain who was giving powerful answers while the “apolitical” “above the fray” Barack Obama was giving “uncalculating” and “naive” answers from his soul (why am I thinking about Buah and Putin?)
    However, this exchange captured by Noquarters just smashes that myth into a billion pieces:

    Q. WHAT’S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT — LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY: WHAT’S THE MOST GUT WRENCHING DECISION YOU’VE EVER HAD TO MAKE AND HOW DID YOU PROCESS THAT, COME TO THAT DECISION?

    A. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS AS TOUGH A DECISION THAT I’VE HAD TO MAKE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES BUT ALSO BECAUSE SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS A BAD PERSON AND THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT HE MET AMERICA ILL.

    BUT I WAS FIRMLY CONVINCED AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP, DO WE KNOW HOW THE SHIITES AND THE SUNNIS AND THE KURDS ARE GOING TO GET ALONG IN A POST SADDAM SITUATION, WHAT’S OUR ASSESSMENT AS TO HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE BATTLE AGAINST TERRORIST LIKE AL-QAEDA, HAVE WE FINISHED THE JOB IN AFGHANISTAN?

    SO I AGONIZED OVER THAT AND I THINK QUESTION OF WAR AND PEACE GENERALLY ARE SO PROFOUND YOU KNOW WHEN YOU MEET THE TROOPS, THEY ARE 19, 20, 21-YEAR OLD KIDS AND YOU ARE PUTTING THEM INTO HARM’S WAY THERE IS A SOLEMN OBLIGATION THAT YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET THAT DECISION RIGHT.

    AND NOW AS THE WAR WENT FORWARD, VERY DIFFICULT ABOUT HOW LONG DO YOU KEEP FUNDING THE WAR IF YOU STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IT’S NOT AMERICA’S NATIONAL INTEREST AT THE SAME TIME YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE TROOPS WHO ARE OUT THERE WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED. SO THAT ALL THOSE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE WAR HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME.
    Wow! If you’ve never seen a calculating, political, and insincere answer given by a through and through political person, frame this exchange.

  5. He was a fricken STATE SENATOR at the time. I opposed the war. It was an OPINION, not a gut wrentching decision. The only people who had to make a DECISION about the war were, you know, decision makers.

    Alos, what EXPERTS were discussing the Iraq war with a state senator from Illinois? He’s a liar and a fraud.

  6. I’m so glad to have that whole statement on the record like that. Wasn’t there a bit at the front about how he was “running for the Senate” at the time so the decision could have really back-fired on him politically? But, didn’t that Senate run start in 2004 not 2002?

  7. katiebird, on August 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm Said:

    I’m so glad to have that whole statement on the record like that. Wasn’t there a bit at the front about how he was “running for the Senate” at the time so the decision could have really back-fired on him politically? But, didn’t that Senate run start in 2004 not 2002?
    Something like 3/4’s of the statewide election officials in Illinois who had the opportunity to do so voted against the war.

  8. WRONG LINK – Anglachel’s article reference is actually liked to TM.

    RD can you correct?

  9. liked = linked

  10. katiebird — the ‘bots are out today saying he gave a second antiwar speech after he started his Senate run, and the second speech is The Profile in Courage speech.

    Of course, through 18 months of solid Obama is god propaganda I never heard about this second speech, nor is there evidence of it given.

    But I’m not surprised. The party of imaginary voters, imaginary secret-progressive policies, and the imaginary candidate would hardly be held up by an imaginary speech (or two).

  11. Valhalla,

    But I’m not surprised. The party of imaginary voters, imaginary secret-progressive policies, and the imaginary candidate would hardly be held up by an imaginary speech (or two).

    I’m not surprised either.

  12. Valhalla, maybe the second speech is the re-enactment of the first speech he had to do because the first speech was unrecorded? That counts, right?

  13. Didn’t Bill Clinton call Obama’s opposition to the Iraq war a fairy tale?

    And we all know fairy tales are make-believe, so why you tripping?.

  14. A commentor at TL was pushing the second speech but admitted that it never got press beyond Chicago. Where’s the political risk in taking a position that your audience agrees on? And, yes, he had not declared for the Senate yet.

  15. I think Oboe made a mistake last night with his reference to the Iraq war. Now his fabricated timeline and his narrative about that speech in the park and the fact that there was some video but the audio was added later in Axelrod’s studio will be re-examined.

    Its about time.

  16. katiebird, on August 17th, 2008 at 1:36 pm Said:
    I’m so glad to have that whole statement on the record like that. Wasn’t there a bit at the front about how he was “running for the Senate” at the time so the decision could have really back-fired on him politically? But, didn’t that Senate run start in 2004 not 2002?
    ==============

    He claimed he was running for IL state senate at the time, but the speech was in October, and he didn’t announce until the following January.

    The man wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him in the *ss.

  17. Valhalla, on August 17th, 2008 at 1:47 pm Said:
    katiebird — the ‘bots are out today saying he gave a second antiwar speech after he started his Senate run, and the second speech is The Profile in Courage speech.
    ==========

    I recall reading somewhere a couple of months ago that they had to recreate the speech because it had not been recorded the first time.

    His Christian commitment must be short of the “Thou Shalt Not Lie” commandment.

  18. Joan, on August 17th, 2008 at 2:09 pm Said:
    A commentor at TL
    ===========

    TL is really on rapid decline. Jeralyn, herself, is now trying to manipulate the events of the primary and stated in comments yesterday that “Obama didn’t steal any delegates, they were given to him, and he merely accepted them.” I’m so hoping the dealbreaker for her, Biden, gets the nod for VP…can’t wait to see how the heck she spins her change of heart and supports the ticket.

  19. I was in the Draft Clark movement. As someone said “once a Clarkie, always a Clarkie” – in spite of my unsubscribing from Wespac when I got the pro-Obama mail. It’s why I stopped posting at Kos in 2003 – when he tirned on Clark.
    Had I been a bot, that would have been a deal breaker. I fact, I visited a certain forum that has been taken over – several threads there with just one reaction: “has to be a lie” “But Wes Jr confirmed” “His father doesn’t tell him anything” Has to be a lie”
    I wouldn’t be surprised if some actually wake up from the koolaid daze over this.

  20. Valhalla, thank you. When I saw that post about the second speech I did a double take. I was wondering how I could have missed that. So I guess its another Obama legend….in the minds of his supporters only.

  21. But who cares if he was running for Senate? Durbin voted against the war.

  22. myiq2xu: “”Didn’t Bill Clinton call Obama’s opposition to the Iraq war a fairy tale?”

    Actually Bill said the media was perpetuating the fairytale about Obama’s faultless judgement. He was hanging it on the talking heads heads.

  23. Obama’s most gut wrenching decision was not to support the Iraq war……..Is this the most phoniest thing anyone has ever heard.

  24. In our primary Oboe’s position on the war (his fairy tale) was very important to Dems.

    Now what is important is his veracity.

    Oboe’s fairy tale narrative about his position on the war will finally get a full examinaiton. The dubbing of the audio, etc will be fully exposed. He was seriusly stupid to bring this up. Oh well, works for me.

  25. This was from 3 days ago, but I didn’t post it — pls count in the fundraiser!

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  26. Where was Lady Michelle (know on some blogs as Tacky-O 😉
    last night?
    I saw Cindy McCain but didn’t see MO-did anyone see the
    nasty beee-atch?

  27. TL and TM both made a conscious decision to be pro-Obama, and both are struggling with that choice now.

    I am pro-Hillary because she earned it, but I’ll call bullshit on her if and when she deserves it.

  28. I biggest fear is that she is at home with morning sickness.

  29. #
    Dee, on August 17th, 2008 at 3:11 pm Said:

    I biggest fear is that she is at home with morning sickness.

    what? huh?
    MO is PREGGERS??

  30. ohmg rosemary’s baby

  31. Oh gosh, I’m starting to think y’all are right? How Kennedyesque. Oh no.

  32. Obama’s wise people to help his administration was another phoney, goodie, goodie, answer……Don’t you just love it.

  33. Please don’t start another pregnancy discussion, I haven’t eaten lunch yet.

  34. Forgive me for being dense. I would like to make a contribution to Gary and Mawm’s trip to Denver but don’t know how. Can anyone enlighten me on how to contribute. I presume I just click somewhere but could use some help on where.

    Thanks!

  35. As for the whole exchange about his “gut-wrenching” decision:

    My gut is wrenching now. to quote an honored Conflucian, “quick, get me the vomit bucket!”

    Thanks Fuzzy… I was having trouble finding the right words.

  36. Forgive me for being dense. I would like to make a contribution to Gary and Mawm’s trip to Denver but don’t know how. Can anyone enlighten me on how to contribute. I presume I just click somewhere but could use some help on where.

    Thanks!

    Same for me! I donated to pumapac last night, but couldn’t find the right link for Mawm and Gary

  37. WigWag, there should be a paypal button to click on for the donation.

  38. WigWag, scroll down to the post about “Where’s the Beef” and you’ll see a donate button. It takes you to PayPal.

  39. “gut-wrenching” decision?

    Gee, for me it was when my Dad was in ICU and they had to put him on a vent due to respiratory failure. We knew he’d never come off the vent but he had not done an advanced directive. The docs said he could be kept in a long-term care facility but we knew he wouldn’t want that. So we made the “gut-wrenching” decision to remove the vent. We signed the papers for it but before they could start that he went into cardiac arrest.

    That was gut-wrenching.

  40. Right….Fredster……When you sign…No heroic measure will be taken. And then it happens. etc.

  41. Thanks so much, Fredster!

  42. Watched some Inside Washington today, and continued to be disgusted with the media. When you can’t trust PBS, who can you trust?

    We justifiably criticize Keith, Shuster, Cafferty, etc, but Mark Shields has as bad a case of CDS as anyone. He was nearly frothing about the evil Clintons trying to steal Obama’s convention. Praised the brilliant article of Green at the Atlantic.

    Krauthammer will nail Obama later as he does the Clintons now, and Nina Totenberg [sigh] just kinda giggled about the Clintons.

    When you can’t trust PBS, who can you trust?

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  44. Apparently Barakula is not up to DNC leadership standards….they want him to be more specific about economic issues because it appears that McCain is turning out to be a more formidable opponent than they thought he would be. bwahahahahahahah 🙂

  45. Psst:

    It’s not that McCain is more formidable, Obama is just proving to be but Hillary said he was – unelectable

  46. If you’re tired and a little worn down today, please see the campaign video on Allegre’s. I watched Hillary twice. We do what’s right. We just do what’s right.

    PUMA

    Thanks to RD for the Confluence Say broadcast and all she does for this website!

  47. ???

    That should be “what Hillary said”

    My fingers kant spel

  48. I couldn’t watch the Saddleback event! But stayed up late to read comments. Pampers comes across to selfish when he’s in a church. I wonder why?

  49. myiq….The sad thing is, I completely understood what you meant! 🙂 We all have those “kant spel” days…
    And I am in complete agreement about Barackula being unelectable.

  50. Pampers plagerizes himself too!

  51. What’s a word for getting it out of sequence? Delusional?

  52. What has McCain done so far as campaigning against Obama?

    A couple of ads? Nothing high-profile really, no major media events.

    Yet he’s gaining and Obama is fading.

  53. hey! new thread~

  54. myiq – I had the same problem at 3:11pm. Typed “I” when I meant to type “My”.

    It would probably help if I could find my glasses.

  55. Day 3 of waiting for KO to break into the Olympic Coverage and demand that Dean slither into obscurity for his “whitey” remark!

    PUMA HAKA 👿

  56. Wow, Carol, that cavuto piece just about nails it. Let’s send it to Howard Dean and see if he can fix things before it’s over, huh?

    The cow and milk story linked above is pretty awesome too. Calls out people like TM.

    I love coming here.

  57. See you all later!

    ^ going to a concert at the Library…>>

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  59. Carol — I agree with the conclusions that the Dems are done but not this bit:

    Barack Obama caves to Hillary Clinton and allows a roll call vote. He’s doing it for all good and decent reasons.

    wtf? Is Cavuto an Obama fan? Obama was pushed kicking and screaming into having the roll call vote, and would never have done it without his pathetic polls numbers amidst the protests and polls showing people favored it.

    You know, they funny thing is, I’d thought since April or so that McCain could win the GE if Obama was picked as the nominee, but I truly expected both the DNC and Obama’s campaign to do better than what we’ve seen the last month and a half. Every day they showcase their essential disorganization and weakness. Now I think McCain will win. And as important as PUMA has been for protesting the DNC’s failures, McCain would have won even without PUMA. Sheesh.

  60. Hillary live on Fox in just a minute.

  61. He didn’t cave – I am sure they have the 300 signatures. They are dirty rotten liars.

  62. Bottom line from forum: Obots continue to bow down to Obama, but he’s not attracting any new voters to his side. Same story as before. Tiny poll bumps here & there, only to go back down

  63. #Hillary-zila, Said:

    Right….Fredster……When you sign…No heroic measure will be taken. And then it happens. etc.

    I’ll tell ya, despite his being comatose we kept talking to him telling him he had held on long enough and if he wanted to go he could. I’ve read that *somewhere* in their consciousness they can hear you. I believe it because after that and telling him how much we loved him and all I stepped out to get a cup of coffee for my mom. As I was coming back his ICU nurse came up to me and said he had just arrested. I think he heard us and knew it was okay to let go.

  64. Carol I loved this comment the most from Cavuto:

    But I think we will look back to this week in August as the time the party that had it all in the bag…just puked in it.

  65. PUMA rocks OH:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 17, 2008

    Obama, McCain tied in Ohio

    Raleigh, N.C. – John McCain has pulled even with Barack Obama in Ohio, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling. Obama had led in PPP’s June and July polls of the state. It’s 45-45 with 10% undecided.
    One factor causing Obama problems is that he’s not doing as good a job as McCain of getting folks in his party to vote for him. While McCain leads 89-7 among Republicans, Obama’s lead is a narrower 75-17 among Democrats. Obama has the 45-28 edge with independent voters.

    The Democrats neglecting to choose Obama are disproportionately white, female, and middle aged, an indication that it could be former supporters of Hillary Clinton who are holding out. “Ohio is one state, along with Pennsylvania and Michigan, where Barack Obama would probably be well served by some joint appearances with the Clintons,” said Dean
    Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling.

    GO Ohio!!

    Click to access PPP_Release_Ohio_818.pdf

  66. Well…threw a few dollars into the pot…I might not be able to vote, but I can bend plastic with the rest of you!

  67. Dear fredster,

    Having been there….and working in a hospital…it is never, ever easy – that was a brave thing.

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  69. Good evening, everyone! I’m more of a lurker (such a creepy term), but I read this site nearly every day. You may not be familiar with me, but surely you are quite fond of my momma, parentofed. She is the one who turned me on to the great PUMA movement and this website full of wonderful people. I have to admit, I was skeptical at first, since I have always self-identified as a Democrat, but, as I have learned, my mother is always right. And I’m saying that with NO sarcasm – if you knew her like I do, you’d know it’s true.

    I just want to thank everyone involved in making the PUMA movement so successful – thank you for bringing accountability, honesty, and some ol’ fashioned excitement to politics (mmmmm…. Old Fashioned… on the rocks, please)

    Mom and I REALLY wanted to go to Denver to support Hillary and the PUMA cause, but can’t work it out right now. So instead, we’ll send our strongest good karma vibes and love to all of the PUMAs working so hard out there…
    in addition to the $50.00 USD I just donated. You’ll be in our minds and hearts all next week.
    Oh, and HI MOM!!! Goodnight!

  70. Rivedaughter, I watched the faith forum last night, and the contrast between the two was stark. Every answer Obama provider was if, and, but, on the one hand, on the other hand, and by the end you had no idea what he was really saying. I recognize that I am biased against him, but it was pretty obvious at certain points that Warren was trying to get him to wrap up his answer.

    McCain on the other hand was crystal clear about his positions. No to abortion, no go gay marriage. He made it so clear for me why I should not even be considering voting for him. But you know what? Despite reciting positions that I disagree with so strongly, I found myself respecting and liking him more as a person. Will I vote for him? No. But I like him and I respect him.
    So you know what I won’t do? I won’t vote against him just to cast a vote for the precious, who proved once again that presidency is not just “above his pay grade,” but way above his experience grade.

    By the way, in case you all haven’t heard, the Obama campaign hinted that McCain cheated and Warren came out with a statement saying that McCain did not cheat. Warren also said that he gave both candidates the first two questions, so Obama knew he would be asked about the three people he looks to as advisors…he planned in advance to say Michelle, Grandma, and Ted Kennedy, not to mention Nunn and Lugar…..not impressed. I thought he just couldn’t think of anything better on the spot…

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