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PUMAs Roar: A Symbolic Vote is not Enough!

This morning many in the corporate media were cheering Obama’s supposedly magnanimous agreement with Hillary Clinton to allow her name to be placed in nomination at the Democratic Convention. Sorry, but as Riverdaughter said earlier, “we’re not done yet.” I still smell a rat.

ABC News quotes turncoat Lanny Davis as follows:

“We are absolutely committed to electing Barack Obama and this is the best way to do it so let people have their moment,” Davis said. “Sen. Clinton will assure that nothing will occur that will hinder Sen. Obama ‘s chances but even more will help him by when it comes time for her vote, by voting for him and by moving at the convention to nominate Sen. Obama by acclamation.”

Davis said Clinton will have “no sympathy” for some of her supporters who pledge to continue to try to get her nominated at the convention.

“It’s a free country and some of the more passionate and less, say, constructive of her supporters are a very, very small minority, might try to do something like that,” he said. “No one can be associated with more loyalty and dedication than I towards Sen. Clinton and I will and many of us will be very critical of anybody on the convention floor to do anything that undermines Sen. Obama.”

“If that happened, if someone who hogs the microphone or tries to demagogue or tries to be negative, there will no sympathy from Hillary Clinton or loyalists such as myself,” Davis said.

Oh really, Lanny? Maybe you should have kept this under your hat for awhile. We are not going to be satisfied with a symbolic vote, and for Hillary to vote against her own nomination would be both ridiculous and demeaning. Nope. Not buying it. This may be a step in the right direction, but it isn’t going to mollify those of us who believe the nomination was gamed for Obama from the beginning.

As SM wrote yesterday, we want a real nominating convention and if necessary we want a floor fight! Not only that, Lanny, most of us are never going to vote for Obama in November no matter what happens. All you have accompished by this move is to show us that we are having an effect on the process. On top of that, Obama now looks even weaker than before. As Michael Goodwin wrote in the New York Daily news yesterday,

Obama blinked and stands guilty of appeasing Clinton by agreeing to a roll call vote for her nomination. That he might not have had much choice if he wanted peace only proves the point that he’s playing defense at his own convention.

What does he get out of it? Not much and not for long.

The fleeting sense that he is a magnanimous nominee won’t get him a single vote he wouldn’t get anyway. Ditto for the idea that he’s going the extra mile to unify the party. Those who refuse to accept him as the legitimate winner aren’t likely to do so just because he caves into her demands.

It makes him look weak and ratifies Clinton’s sense of entitlement to share party leadership and the convention spotlight.

It was supposed to be his party. Now it’s theirs. His and hers.

Correctamundo! We are now going to redouble our efforts now. If you give us an inch, we will take a mile. We still have time to turn this into a real nomination fight. Get the claws out PUMAs, this is our time. “We are the ones no one expected!”

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148 Responses

  1. Hooray, Bostonboomer! So good to see your post. Very well-said.

    Why is it Obama’s convention? As Katiebird said last night, it’s the Democratic Party’s convention. So sorry Oba-Moi’s coup was interrupted by reality.

    Oh wait. We’re not. PUMA!

    👿

  2. Um, how could he have stopped the delegates from putting her name to a vote? My reading is that he could not have stopped them, so where is the magnamity in that?

  3. FULL FLOOR FIGHT HILLARY!

    PUMA HAKA 👿

    gotta go, Eddy is pulling on my sleeve to leave!

  4. Obama’s always got that “too little, too late” thing going on… that and he and the DNC leadership thinks we are stupid…

  5. OldCoastie – So true! He has not been on offense this entire time – except with members of his own party. He seems to love Republicans and hate Democrats.

    I’m still convinced he’s going to pick a Republican for his VP.

    Really makes me wonder…

  6. Thanks, Madamab! This really is a sign of Obama’s weakness. Furthermore, I question whether Lanny Davis really knows what is happening inside the Clinton camp. He rolled over too easily for the O-man, and something tells me he may not be the one Hillary will choose to confide in.

    Even if Hillary has the intention today of casting her vote for Obama at the convention, we still have time to change her mind! I see this as a huge step forward for the PUMA movement!

  7. What happens if McCain picks Lieberman? I do not like or trust him, but Lieberman is respected by my mother and her friends a lot. It may be a way for McCain to get the Jewish and old white people vote. It will also make it harder to say that you are rac!!st if you do not vote for McCain since you are voting for a Jewish guy. It would help McCain in Florida a lot.

  8. I would love to have Harold Ickes ring in. This is the one man I would accept at his word. Would not be surprised if he is working his magic behind the scenes. This man would not back down. Know this in my heart. It is Harold not Lanny who holds the key to this outcome.

  9. Claws are out – feeling blue and moody -GGGRRRRRAA!!!!!!!!

    BS always does that to me. The only unity a phoney roll call will get is those against the Bzero.

    PUMA/The Denver Group

  10. bb: Great post! Well conceived and delivered as usual. Love your writing style.

  11. BB – Hillary’s mind is the one that needs to be changed, and we have shown that we can change it already. We need to keep up the pressure and let her know that we will not be satisfied until she is the nominee.

    We will never vote Obama. If Hillary wants a Democrat in the White House, she must be the nominee. Otherwise, McCain will be President, and not just because of PUMAs, but because of the Independent vote as well, which OF COURSE is not going to Obama over McCain – they are now splitting it evenly.

    Obama is so weak now, and the GOP has handled him with kid gloves so far. Wait till we are dumb enough to actually nominate Obama. It will be all-out war, and the media will show its true right-wing colors and join in.

  12. I’m not making a prediction, but if I was writing the script for this movie, I’d have Hillary&Co playing possum to lure Obamanation into thinking the nomination ballot was just symbolic.

    Wouldn’t that be sweet, for Hillary to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat on primetime television?

    That would send Obama and the sippy-kup kidz back to Chicago sin huevos</em<

  13. I asked Lanny via email if Hillary told him that she would have to sympathy wih people who still want to get her the nomination and was pleased that she didn’t:

    fromDavis, Lanny J.
    to XXX

    dateFri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:27 AM
    subjectRe: Hillary
    mailed-byorrick.com

    hide details 4:27 AM (13 hours ago) Reply

    Yes I said this – but she did not — no sympathy for those trying to get her “nominated” is different than a symbolic roll call vote. I also said no sympathy for those who would disrupt the convention and cause party divisiveness. And expressed hope a roll call vote could be held that could reinforce party unity.

    Where did you read this quote?

    Sent from Blackberry, I apologize in advance for any typos.
    – Show quoted text –

    —– Original Message —–
    From: XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX
    To: Davis, Lanny J.
    Sent: Thu Aug 14 22:14:03 2008
    Subject: Hillary

    Hi Lanny!!
    Do you really believe this? Did she tell you this?
    Davis said Clinton will have “no sympathy” for some of her supporters who pledge to continue to try to get her nominated at the convention. “
    Hillary always seems to understand her supporters so well 😦
    All the best,
    XXXX

  14. Congratulations to all PUMA’s! One step at a time – her name’s in nomination and it was done by netroots – and none of them colored orange.

  15. can someone remove my full name from the original email?? I forgot to do so…can I edit the post?

  16. Honora – I am Jewish, and I hate Lieberman. He is a neocon jerk who undermines real Democrats at every turn.

    Let’s focus on the nomination, though. It’s now possible for Hillary to get it. That’s what we really want, isn’t it? Is anyone here planning to vote for McCain over Hillary?

    I’m guessing not. 🙂

  17. And Hillary could just stand there on the podium after the rollcall has confirmed her nomination, and blinking rapidly in the Nancy P style, utter, “who me?” Meanwhile the camera pans to Michelle who is shown beating Howard over the head with her 6 inch stiletto. Talk about a perfect ending!

  18. Wow! Did anyone watch Hannity last night? I’ve just been reading the transcript. I can’t stand Dick Morris, but he apparently does speak for a lot of Repubs. Get this:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404421,00.html

    Morris says this makes Obama look like a pushover. It was supposed to be his convention and now it’s Hillary’s

    LOL!!

  19. myiq2xu –

    I’m not making a prediction, but if I was writing the script for this movie, I’d have Hillary&Co playing possum to lure Obamanation into thinking the nomination ballot was just symbolic.

    Wouldn’t that be sweet, for Hillary to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat on primetime television?

    You have mind-melded with me! I’ve been envisioning this for some time now. 🙂

  20. A good-looking news anchor looks directly into the camera and says:

    “Good evening. A remarkable … uh, unsettling … well, an unusual thing happened tonight in Denver. After four and one-half hours of thunderous and continuous applause following the introduction of Senator Hillary Clinton, some control was restored. However, when presumtuous … er, presumptive Presidential nominee Senator Barrack Obama’s name was first uttered, the Clinton supporters in attendance en masse vomited on the convention floor. The convention will continue once the hall has been cleaned.

    “Now, for other news of the day …”

    Can we buy ipicac in 55-gallon drums? ;o)

  21. luckyann,

    I fixed it. Thanks for sharing! I just knew Lanny didn’t have inside information. He’s speaking for Obama. It’s just like all the times the press printed that Hillary was going to quit–rumors leaked to them by Axelrove and The Arrogant One.

  22. Do blackberries automatically put that thing in about apologizing in advance for typos? If not, that is the kiss of death for Lanny. It’s the same thing that always appears on Brazile-nut’s e-mails.

  23. Jeez Louise, I am beyond tired of the it’s HIS convention bs. You would think he had crushed her in the primaries instead of there barely being any daylight between them. There is no point in being a Dem if the Party is just going to be handed over to one person every four years and all the other members are ignored. They are as corrupt as the Repubs have ever been. They don’t care about what’s right and fair-they just care about their power. Well, I’m not giving any of mine to them.

    PUMA

  24. BB, Your post and Riverdaughter’s this morning are great posts. We’re building a case for a REAL floor fight in Denver. The first step was getting “Permission” for her Nomination Roll-Call.

    Now, it’s up to us to rally her pledged delegates to give them strength. They’ll be under MASSIVE pressure in the next two weeks.

    And the pressure will be even worse on the Floor of the convention hall.

  25. Very well stated, Joan! I second that emotion.

  26. Lanny Davis is a schmoo. The way I see it, nothing’s changed. Superdelegates still need to be notified and HRC still needs to be petitioned, especially after that putrid “let’s show some Obama love” email she sent out. But I repeat, Lanny Davis is a schmoo.

  27. Hi Katiebird! I’m really getting excited. I think this is a tremendous breakthrough. There is absolutely nothing stopping Hillary from making this a real fight on the convention floor. This is exactly what we have been working for all this time. And we still have almost two weeks to make it happen.

  28. bb – perhaps Lanny Davis and Donna Brazille are the same person?

  29. Hahahaha, Yolanda! That was laugh out loud funny to me!

    Thanks, too, Luckyann, for the email from Lanny.

    Madamab, another playlet, please – I love the idea of you and myiq. And Pat J’s idea of MO’s stiletto!

  30. OldCoastie: Nah! Donna B has bigger ones if you follow my vulgar drift.

  31. Cinie,

    Don’t be a wet blanket. Something has in fact changed–the media narrative. Media outlets are now allowing the commentators to paint Obama as weak and Hillary as strong and in charge. As RD always says, the media loves conflict. Let’s give it to them. No one is saying we shouldn’t continue to contact delegates. But to say nothing has changed is just silly.

  32. madamab: One of my Book Club members is Jewish and she and her husband travel over to Israel every 4 years. She said if McCain puts Lieberman on the ballot this will be a no brainer for her since she utterly loathes Obama. So yes, I see McCain pulling heavily from the Jewish vote, Dems and otherwise.

  33. Update on Non-Profit “Advocacy” Groups in NM…AG Gary King Squelched by Richardson?
    http://tinyurl.com/5zj4go

    Some game is going on here, I think….see the comments for more history and thoughts about how “gutsy” King is …or isn’t!!!

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com

  34. B-Boomer….laughing at your Brazile-nuts….that isn’t what we called them back in the day 🙂

    …and IN YOUR FACE obama and your lemmings….the convention is for democrats, not just those of you who feel compelled to quash democracy.
    Hopefully, this convention is going to be turned upside down with a huge showing of what democracy really is about!!

    GO HILLARY…..GO PUMAS!!

  35. Harold Ickes! Harold Ickes! Harold Ickes! This is the one person in the know.

  36. bostonboomer….if the media has Hillary “in charge” then SHE will be blamed if and when The Chosen One gets creamed in the general election!

  37. myiq….regarding your “sin huevos” line….don’t you have to have them first!! 🙂

  38. Just the fact that Hillary’s name appears on the ballot could also be a signal that the supers are putting out pressure as well. Threats can be generated from either side so the DNC may be feeling the heat coming back at them from that quarter as well as the polls, PUMA, and the lackluster efforts of The One.

    Time, at least for awhile, appears to be on our side. A lot can happen in 10 days. Few predicted the Edwards implosion.

  39. bostonboomer, “just silly?” That’s unnecessarily harsh, isn’t it?

  40. PssttCmere:

    I thought they might have ornamental ones at least.

  41. We’ll get over when we are damn good and ready to get over it.

  42. cinie: Speaking only for myself, I think she means we all need to remain upbeat. A lot can occur in the next 10 days. None of us knows what is really going on. She is encouraging us to stay focused. No harm meant in that comment. We need to bolster one another through the next two weeks. XX00

  43. I’ve believed for months the media would turn on The Precious once they had forced Hillary out of the race.

    That’s exactly what seems to be happening, isn’t it?

  44. Here is my daily letter to Hillary (in response to her fundraising letter):

    Dear Senator Clinton,

    With the greatest respect, I and my fellow PUMAs do not want you to endorse Senator Obama. We want a floor fight and we want you to be the nominee.

    You and Senator Obama are not interchangeable. You are a dedicated public servant; Obama is dedicated to nothing except the pursuit of personal power. You have principles and you stick by them; Obama is happy to discard any principle, including the Constitution, in order to win votes and approval from Republicans. Meanwhile, he has done nothing but dismiss and insult you and your supporters from the beginning of the primary race. Why does he hate Democrats and love Republicans? Is it any wonder Democrats are having a hard time swallowing this bitterest of bitter pills – a Republican in Democratic clothing?

    Senator Clinton, I hope you understand just how determined we are. All the polls show how badly Barack Obama is doing against McCain. His support among Democrats and Independents is evaporating. Senator Obama is destined to lose the GE, and you are destined to win. We will not give up until there is a REAL Democrat in the White House – and that Democrat is you!

    PUMA!

    Hello trolls! Welcome! Your flop sweat is showing.

  45. We can’t let up. We must ensure that there is a real roll call floor vote. Also, since HRC has suspended her campaign, is she able to be on the ballot in November? Probaby not, I guess.

    BTW, I called it! I predicted that the CNN Obama/McCain “meeting” airing tomorrow night (saturday) was going to be some rigged program and I was right. They will NOT be on the stage at the same time, McCain goes on at 8:00, Obama @ 9:30 EST. Sooo lame, Obama is so afraid to debate, even about religion which is the suggested program topic.

  46. The media would never forgive her if she got the nomination. They selected Obama (and Bush) and Obama it better be.

    But since the media hates her anyway – who cares. I’d just like to see the O dittoheads on Air America go haywire – along with Shuster, KO, and Kos.

  47. MADAMAB – sorry to shout but how do you send an email to Hillary? I want to write something similar and start sending it daily too….

  48. C’mon folks… let’s dig deep one more time for The Denver Group.

    Only $1,500 left!!!!!

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=23487

  49. Honora then vote Nader or anther third party. Leave the responsibility for the coming train wreck on those that foisted Obama onto us.

  50. I just sent LadyBoomer an email if anyone sees her around, please let her know.

    Thanks!

  51. Harold Ickes—wasn’t his father the one who worked for FDR?

    Saw Lanny on FOX a few weeks ago and he looked sick—very, very thin-or weak looking. Wondering if something is wrong with him.

    And, yes, Obama is going to have trouble with the Jewish vote. I am Jewish and there is alot of concern here in Florida with him. My daughter’s friend in NYC (the one who told her that the LA Times was sitting on an Obama bomb shell) said that alot of Jewish voters in the city did not like him either.

  52. Cinie,

    I didn’t mean to be “harsh.” I just strongly disagree with you that nothing has changed. I think we should stay upbeat and focused on our goal, which is first and foremost to make Hillary the nominee. I realize it is a long shot, but that doesn’t mean we should take a defeatist attitude (IMHO).

  53. I am trying to be as optimistic as you guys and praying that you are right. I can never vote for Obama, but with all that has been said and done, I am fearful that this is just a show for Unity.

    I hope the MSM continues to paint his decision to allow this (why was it his decision anyway?) as weak and that they will continue to show clips of him just last week saying no catharsis (douchebag shithead).

    The supers have to see what we have seen all along – He is totally and completely unelectable.

  54. My brother mentioned an LA Times bombshell last January. Could they really be sitting on something we haven’t heard yet? That seems very unlikely to me.

  55. Not sure if I got the quote correctly; “In this way lies madness”. Perfect example of the Obama campaign. Spoilers.

  56. Pat, I understand the dynamics of the situation pretty well. My only point is that we must resist the temptation to treat this “symbolic” nonsense as a victory and let up on our efforts. That’s the way I see it, and I don’t think it’s silly at all. In fact, I thought that was the premise of this post.

  57. MUST

    STAY

    AWAY

    FROM

    SATIRE ON A BUDGET button……

    LANNY !!! You are such a wuss – I truly thought you were a fighter.

    Hillary, with friends like Lanny, you don’t need enemies.

    )(&%#_&+#&(%+!!!!!!!!

    Bostonboomer, great post!

  58. INDIGOGRRL – Today, I responded to Hillary’s fundraising email.

    However, here is a link you can visit every day (which is what I’ve been doing):

    Contact Hillary

    I have a permanent link to that page on the top right corner of my blog.

  59. The Educational Foundation for the Integrity of the Democratic Process
    Asheville, North Carolina

    Connect-the-Dots Part 1

    Connect-the-Dots Part 2

    Connect-the-Dots Part 3

    ………………………………………………………

    History isn’t going to lie Lanny! How can you lie about what happened? Are we bad VOTERS? We have more commitment than Obama who voted present 130 times and did 6 Accident votes. At least we have always been steadfast as to what we are about, COUNTING THE VOTES!

    WE NEED A NEW VOTERS RIGHTS ACT…no party should have the ability to take a voters vote away, no party should be able to take votes away from one candidate and give them to another and no party should be able to declare any PERSON AS 1/2 a VOTE!

    Why do we have to fight to for our rights? Why are we being criticized because we dare to complain? Is this the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF DEAN, PELOSI AND DONNA BRAZILE!

  60. Cinie,

    That was exactly the premise of my post. Maybe I interpreted what you meant when you said nothing has changed? I think we need ot acknowledge that this is progress and not discount what has happened. Again, I’m not arguing that we have actually won anything yet.

  61. SM—

    Noooooooo! Please, please, PLEASE don’t stay way from satire on a budget. I can’t wait to see your take on Lanny’s “on bended knee” attitude toward Obama.

  62. Cinie: We are all suffering from speculation fatigue. That is pretty much all we have. We are usually “up, down, trying to get the feeling again” and sometimes it seems impossible to get there. There is not one of us on here, not one, who has a clear picture of what this rollcall vote entails. We really don’t. But we want so much to think that perhaps there is a possibility of having this sham turned on its head that we are willing to put our efforts and emotions to the test.

    So much is at stake. So much riding on this nomination. So much energy expended in doing the right thing. We often forget that each one of us possesses the brains, life experiences, and feelings that led us to this candidate that we expect our voices to blend together without question. It is not like that at all. Doubts, anxieties, depression, have all been experienced at one time or another by each and every one of us bloggers.

    Emotions are raw due to a “possibility”. It is pretty much all we have left to cling to. Some will approach it warily, others with much optimism. Either way is acceptable. Stay with us.

  63. BB, Pat, no sweat. Perhaps I chose my words poorly, but imo, we’re not there yet. In fact, we’re being conned. Hopefully HRC has a master plan, otherwise this a an attempted snow job meant to mollify and nullify us. In other words, Obama business as usual, with HRC’s stamp of approval.

  64. Cinie,

    We can’t be conned if we don’t fall for the con job. I’m betting on Hillary being smarter and tougher than the presumptuous nominee.

  65. Boston – I did one and posted it one night but it went a bit far since some COnflucians think Lanny is still a friend. So I/Riverdughter took it down.

    BUT I’M SOOOOO TEMPTED!

  66. I heard Kos wrote about the PUMAs today, anyone know what?

  67. cinie: Never apologize for what you believe. Those words came from your thoughts, your feelings, your observations, your insight. None of us here can read tea leaves. We just have to hold on.

    Could it be a ruse? Sure. Could it be a shift in the party? Certainly. No one knows as yet. And the risk one takes in wanting to believe the right thing will be done could lead to another dose of disappointment. But you know what, “hope” does not belong exclusively to the Obama campaign. It is a little weed that can take root anywhere. Never give up!

  68. masslib: They wanted to invite us to a unity party with balloons and barbecue and games for the kids! They really, really love us!

  69. masslib, on August 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pm Said:
    I heard Kos wrote about the PUMAs today, anyone know what?

    I guess they have repeated some of Shuster’s lies.

  70. hey, I’ll savor small victories when I get them. The Daily News called Bambi a wuss. And lots of people read that paper.

    Did you ever hear this Tony Newley song from The Roar of the Greasepaint –

    This my friends is only the beginning
    Such a sweet beginning too
    Now at last I see a chance of winning
    See a chance of breaking through ….

  71. How many people here are credentialed to be on the convention floor?

  72. SM and I have always been on the same page regarding Lanny. Can’t wait to see what my ertshwhile sister in arms has prepared!

  73. Pat,

    One thing I know for sure is that the Obamacratic party will not do the right thing unless they have absolutely no other choice. The fact that Obama has finally accepted the inevitable–that Hillary must be on the ballot just shows that he knew he couldn’t win this battle. Now we have to show him that the only way he can ever be President is to serve as Hillary’s VP for 8 years first!

  74. There was a rumor floating around that MO might be preggie. I couldn’t care less, since I don’t buy into that Jackie-O thing, but it’s too bad men can’t get pregnant.
    Then the Party could gracefully ask him to resign, for his own good.

    The reason I post this nonsense is that if the SDs could find their way out of this mess, I think they might. Everyone has pretended that he’s won the nomination, so they have to come up with a good reason to wrest it from him without alienating his supporters. Any ideas, other than pregnancy?

  75. two states: He also penned the song, “Who Can I Turn Too” which leads me right back to Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton!

  76. If there are so many of us out there who dislike Obama it is only safe to suggest that many of the supers feel the same way. The odds favor this assumption. He lags in most demographics as pointed out earlier today. Reasoning suggests that there must be a qualified group of supers who wish he would just go away since he will more than likely bring the party to its knees. If winning is everything for this pols, then this guy fails the test. Wake up Supers! Now is your chance to send a message.

  77. parentofed: One word: Rezko.

  78. bb: Like your premise but do you think he would seriously consider second slot after this? I don’t.

  79. Pat, I agree, but I don’t think we’re going to hear any more about Rezko until after the convention. I think if Obama is nominated, the real race will be between Patrick Fitzgerald & The Chicago Way to keep Obama out of jail. If Obama could somehow win in Nov, Patrick is gone.

  80. BB—I think his ego is too big for VP. I really believe he drank his own kool-aide. As for Lanny–any time someone has to tell you what a good Clinton friend he is, then he isn’t.

    Obama can’t win without help-alot of it -from the Clintons because they know the GOP traps that lie in wait. But, he is too insecure to ask and be nice about it. He is his own worst enemy. I, also, question the LA Times rumor. Why would they sit on it-maybe waiting for verification? Don’t know, but the rumor is out there and this girlfriend of my daughters’ works in broadcasting.

  81. Hillary knows that the Supers will never choose her over Obama at this point (even if his poll numbers fell through the floor). It’s not going to happen-the party has dug itself in too deep with Obama to change course now, no matter what. And she knows that she has to be the loyal Dem or she will have no chance in 2012 if Obama loses in November. So don’t expect her, or her helpers, to help the PUMAs at the convention. They can’t. (Which isn’t to say I’m against making the effort at the Convention-just don’t kid yourself we can win there. )

    At this point victory will consist of suffering through 4 awful years of John McCain in order to elect a real Democrat in 2012. I think that is a terrible price that unfortunately Obama and the DNC has forced us to have to accept. I don’t see any realistic (or even unrealistic) chance to avoid it. So my goal is an Obama defeat in November, and an acceptable nominee in 2012.

    Of course YMMV.

  82. “Sen. Clinton will assure that nothing will occur that will hinder Sen. Obama ’s chances but even more will help him by when it comes time for her vote, by voting for him and by moving at the convention to nominate Sen. Obama by acclamation.”

    Davis said Clinton will have “no sympathy” for some of her supporters who pledge to continue to try to get her nominated at the convention.

    That makes me want to puke. Lanny, sweetie, sounds like a threat to me? What the hell is the matter with these people–doesn’t anyone but us care about ACTUAL DEMOCRACY?! Since the moment Ickes made that impassioned rebuttal at the RBC meeting, it was clear that this was a fight for core democratic principles. If people like Lanny want to sell out for their careers, don’t put it on us as not being “constructive.” Screw that Lanny.

  83. tdraicer, on August 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pm Said:

    Exactly. Something went down June 3rd, that shut Hillary up. They must have threatened her health care agenda and/or her future place in the Party in any form. She is doing what she has to do, and we will do what we have to do. I only feel a bit badly that they are trying to put this on her too. Michael Goodwin’s article in The Daily News spoke of her “entitlement” and that she is forcing herself on the ballot etc. I hate to cause Hillary more stress after what she’s been through, but this is principle damn it!

  84. Pat, LOL! I won’t touch Lanny, there are some here that still like him – BUT I DON’T!!!

  85. I just know that there is no way in Hell I will vote for obama. He is inexperienced and has no values. This entire primary season was a show and a theft of our votes. As a Floridian, I refuse to be screwed, especially without foreplay, by what I use to consider my own party. I still am hopeful that Hillary will win the nomination and I will hold on to this hope until I see otherwise.

    PUMA

  86. I’ve been replaying the Shuster interview, and there are two things that struck me:

    Will didn’t have an answer prepared for “why” he is illegitimate and how they gamed the system. He deferred: “do you want to get into that, it’s kind of wonky.” There needs to be a clear, concise and effective way to respond t this with bullet points about how he cheated. Then, he/she can direct viewers to sources on the internet for more detailed information. (eg: caucuses, buying of superdelegates, FL & MI, etc.)

    Also, re: the popular vote: they can just respond that “Howard Dean acknowledged that Hillary won the popular vote,” which he did.

  87. If Obama should manage to win in November, the GOP will push Rezko the same way they pushed Whitewater.

    They don’t really care if Obama is guilty or not.

  88. something went down that shut her up after June 3rd?

    Isn’t it odd how bad news becomes public when people don’t ‘fall in line?’ Like Rangel’s rent controlled office or Edwards’s ‘love child’, although it appeared that he fell in line.

    I can’t see Hillary being blackmailed–not for herself anyway. In fact, not at all-I think she is too strong for that. Reasons will become clear in time and I think she is biding her time.

  89. AP feed to my local paper this morning discusses how Obama has won the nomination, but is alllowing her name to be put in nomination in order to honor her run & close the divide with her supporters. Says they will have a state roll call for Hill, and then will immediately make Obama the official candidate. Says the “vanquished Hillary” is getting more attention than most defeated candidates do, and Obama is taking a chance by this & by letting Bill speak. To counter the risk, they’re letting Warner do the keynote, and giving the starring roles to others.

    It is a sleazy article, worthy of the AP this season, as it tries to pretend this is a nice bone to throw to those Hill supporters, but really doesn’t mean a damn thing, and isn’t a real vote.

    Gosh, I like playing with Barbie POTUS dolls, it makes me feel good. Can I have one next week?

  90. If what Lanny Davis says is true the Senator Clinton will loose some loyal supporters. If the nomination is scripted to occur this way she would have been better off not contributing to the mockery.

  91. Bostonboomer—great post.

    If victory will mean suffering through 4 years of McCain and/or (if he doesn’t live through the term) whoever he chooses for VP—so be it. But that is not a definite yet.

    There is still a gleam of hope that we will get the President that will improve the quality of life in the USA and on the planet, Hillary, instead of one who will definitely be plunging everybody (that’s EVERYBODY) into the new, basically irreversible Dark Ages, Obama or the Republicans. If we go into the Dark Ages— we won’t be able to be communicating on the Internet anymore. Ah, well.

  92. A horrid state of affairs — Senator Clinton, a loyal Democrat to the core, being almost exclusively responsible for “making things right” (per DNC, OB and his surrogates). Their levels of disrespect, and lack of integrity, knows no bounds. It’s absolutely sickening and revolting.

    I cannot wait for the real story to be told on the MSM’s duplicitousness throughout this campaign.

    PUMA POWER!!!!!!!!!

  93. I wish I had read bostonboomer’s post this morning before making another $100 donation toward paying off Hillary’s debt. If this is a gambit to position herself for a 2012 run, Hillary runs the risk of offending many of her own supporters. Didn’t think I could get any more disallusioned, but…

  94. It’s a shame–the only person I can see straightening our country out after 8 years of torment is Hillary.
    I think she is the only one that sees what it will take and is willing to do the hard work.

  95. Whatever happens in Denver, our work continues.

  96. fif:

    Any PUMA facing an unfriendly interview needs to have strong, short answers to certain questions.

    They might get all of 5-10 seconds before being interrupted, so they have to score their points in that amount of time.

  97. On the chance Obama may actually win the GE (it will have to be thru voter fraud) I will take a long hard look at the Republican candidate before voting Dem. The thought of Obama as president is revolting to me but Obama and a Dem majority is down right scary.

  98. The great Bob Somerby in the Daily Howler today:

    “As we’ve told you, there was an occasional “Cordelia element” to this primary race, in which the people who were lying were hailed for their honesty and the person who was telling the truth was condemned. That’s where those sixteen-year narratives left us; many liberals bought all that crap about the vile Clintons too. It had wormed its way into their skulls. They couldn’t see that Edwards was lying, although it was perfectly plain.”

  99. I just sent the following email to Hillary in response to her fundraising email this morning:

    Hillary,

    I want you to unsuspend your campaign and fight for the nomination, like so many Democrats before you have fought. Unless the Denver Convention is open, transparent and fair, there will be no unity behind a candidate who appears to have stolen the nomination.

    Barack Obama’s razor-thin resume shows he is not qualified to be president. His treatment of ½ the Democratic voters shows he does not represent them.

    Please unsuspend. The country needs you.

    Yours truly,

    Superjude

  100. Otherwise this a an attempted snow job meant to mollify and nullify us. In other words, Obama business as usual, with HRC’s stamp of approval.

    Not to be negative, but I don’t think there’s any question that this is true. The fix has been in all along, and this is just a cynical ploy to “mollify” us. Stick it, is what I say.

  101. Can anyone list all that he has done for Chicago and how that is going to be duplicated throughout the US? Please O please let us know. During troubled times you know who you can count on.

    The media has helped to create his image and will continue because they have big plans for his story…films…etc. Others believe he is the messiah! I just wanted someone that was going to work, listen to the people and fix those agencies that are broken and keep us safe.

    I never wanted a ROCK STAR and I don’t need a messiah…

  102. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO CONVINCE ME THAT THE PRIMARY WASN’T STOLEN FROM HILLARY BY DILUTING THE VOTE! I have eyes, I saw, I was there…

  103. Shuster says everyone agreed on the process before it happened.

    But Hillary never agreed to the abuse of the caucuses that we know happened. She played fair; others did not.

  104. “If what Lanny Davis says is true the Senator Clinton will loose some loyal supporters. If the nomination is scripted to occur this way she would have been better off not contributing to the mockery.”

    While I understand the frustrations, I can also see how they’ve tied HRC’s hands. I don’t like it one bit (and I’m pretty sure she isn’t whistling “Dixie” either), but they have no shame and, worse, are being aided by sizable blocs of the CO/MSM.

    From the outside looking in, I just think it’s easier for us to scream in total befuddlement at Hillary’s current “actions”. But, were Hillary to actually take the tack some are suggesting and start fighting this “nomination,” the DNC and MSM would do their level-best to ruin her for ANY office, let alone POTUS.

  105. This is soooo funny! I wrote about the DNC editing mistake in which Hill’s name was the only name not highlighted in the DNC schedule for Tues night. Many others noticed it as well, I’m sure. So anyway they edited it. It’s now highlighted.

  106. Kicking in for Denver:

    pumapac.org: $100
    The Denver Group: $100

    When I look back on life, I critique not what happened, but how I met the challenge.

    Whatever goes down, whatever may happen, I am confident in my support of your efforts.

  107. Why do we have to fight to for our rights? Why are we being criticized because we dare to complain? Is this the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF DEAN, PELOSI AND DONNA BRAZILE!

    Isn’t it incredible, that we are being labeled unconstructive, ungracious, stubborn, immature etc. because are demanding the very principles that are included in the Democratic Party Charter??? The world has gone mad. We are the ones who see things clearly and are speaking the truth. They are trying to demoralize, frighten and silence us. Not going to happen. We have each other, and we know what we saw.

  108. Carolyn Mann wrote: If this is a gambit to position herself for a 2012 run, Hillary runs the risk of offending many of her own supporters. Didn’t think I could get any more disallusioned, but…

    I’m not sure you read my post. That was not my argument. I’m not ready to give up on Hillary in 2008 yet, and I won’t give up until the bitter end. This is no time to waffle on that IMO. I am arguing for a redoubled effort based on the partial success of getting the Party to put Hillary’s name on the ballot. Now we have to make sure the vote isn’t just symbolic.

  109. I want NOTHING to do with this “democratic” party. And will have ZERO problems in voicing my disgust at the polls, in November and beyond.

  110. Masslib,

    That is outstanding news! They really are watching us, as Donna B. threatened. They are running scared.

  111. masslib – I sent that highlighting “mistake” re: Hillary’s name on the Tues schedule to local Denver papers.

    was hoping they’d continue to keep her name unhighlighted, and then, the reporters would ask why an oversight as big as the elephant in the room?

  112. this IG song played and struck me today as a I slave away at my job….. I’m doing my best to keep my spirits up…knowing that whatever HRC does or is doing she knows the score better than I.

    Let It Be Me

    Sticks and stones battle zones a single light bulb on a single thread for the black sirens wail history fails rose-colored glass begins to age and crack while the politicians shadowbox the power ring in an endless split decision never solve anything from a neighbor’s distant land i heard the strain of the common man let it be me (this is not a fighting song) let it be me (not a wrong for a wrong) let it be me, if the world is night shine my life like a light well the world seems spent and the president has no good idea of who the masses are well i’m one of them and i’m among friends trying to see beyond the fences of our own backyard i’ve seen kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change but the power of truth is the fuel for the flame so the darker the ages get there’s a stronger beacon yet let it be me (this is not a fighting song) let it be me (not a wrong for a wrong) let it be me, if the world is night shine my life like a light in the kind word you speak in the turn of the cheek when your vision
    stays clear in the face of your fear then you see turning off a light switch is their only power when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower all for one and one for all then we sing the common call let it be me (this is not a fighting song) let it be me (not a wrong for a wrong) let it be me, if the world is night shine my life like a light

  113. I didn’t agree to the process!

    This isn’t a sporting event where only the athletes participate and the rest of us are just spectators.

    We, as voters, have a vested interest in the process and the outcome.

  114. @bostonboomer, 12:06 PM

    “Morris says this makes Obama look like a pushover. It was supposed to be his convention and now it’s Hillary’s.”

    Yea, verily. I’m telling you, I would NOT want to be one of the Clintons’ political enemies. Those two know how to fight.

    I expect a lot of nauseating lip service, which I’ll ignore. But I”ll be extremely surprised if the Clintons sincerely plead for Barky. And I’ll be thrilled if there’s a floor fight. Betcha the Clintons win. Anyone seen the polls today?

  115. And Hillary complained about the caucuses in real time — specifically I remember her talking before the WA caucus about how her voters couldn’t attend.

  116. “I expect a lot of nauseating lip service, which I’ll ignore. But I”ll be extremely surprised if the Clintons sincerely plead for Barky. And I’ll be thrilled if there’s a floor fight. Betcha the Clintons win. Anyone seen the polls today?”

    This makes me more anxious to hear Pres. Bill Clinton speak his mind on this entire fiasco. Man, chomping at the bits just thinking about all the ways the Big Dawg settles his scores.

  117. myiq – Yes!

    I have never seen such contempt for voters from the corporate media AND the Democratic Party. This is a huge difference between the Obamans and the PUMAs: the Obamans want a Dear Leader, and the PUMAs want respect and power.

    Is this a democracy or a Barackracy?

  118. Oops – can someone remove my name from my post above? I’m kinda new to this!!
    Thanks!

  119. Except for Michael Phelps competitions the Olympics are proving to be a ratings bust. Let’s hope this carries over to the week of August 25th. Letting them know we will not sit here and stupidly “watch” this exhibition will be a bittersweet moment. All the time and money going into producing this schlock should be for nothing. I would rather clean the latrine then participate for one moment as a viewer. Unless of course there is a complete floor fight. At which point my front row seat will be reserved!

  120. BO was generous to allow Hillary to stay in the race.

    Then he was generous to allow FL & MI to be seated in full.

    Now he is supremely magnanimous in allowing her name to “symbolically” be placed on the ballot.

    And the media & DNC push this line of b.s. He steals and lies, and then when we demand accountability, and he has to compromise, he’s so wonderful. Gag.

  121. Welcome Superjude!

  122. The DNC acts as if they extended an invitation to a dinner party and are astounded that we protest when we are not fed! Jeesshh, such how “ungracious” can we get?

  123. plural: Shuster just talks trash anymore. Someone needs to buy MSNBO & just fire the whole bunch [well, except Mornin Joe, I kinda like him anymore]

    BB: Yeah, and we’re watching them, and no matter what happens in Denver, I intend to keep watching them.

  124. edwardian wrote: “This makes me more anxious to hear Pres. Bill Clinton speak his mind on this entire fiasco. Man, chomping at the bits just thinking about all the ways the Big Dawg settles his scores.”

    I guarantee that if he writes a book about the experience, it will sell far more than Pelosi’s book.

    I’m sure that will sting.

  125. Dan right it isn’t! And yet, the Daily News, who was so sure that will never happen, is begrudging even the symbol:
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/the-view-from-the-b0bots/

  126. My worry, for better or worse, is that I don’t see either Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton counting heads at this point and/or having a delegate operation center in Denver. In order to manage an open convention, each candidate needs to have an operation, knowing where every state lies.

    Anyone going to Denver may want to volunteer to help “campaign” for Hillary…

  127. fif, on August 15th, 2008 at 2:13 pm Said:
    BO was generous to allow Hillary to stay in the race.

    Then he was generous to allow FL & MI to be seated in full.

    Now he is supremely magnanimous in allowing her name to “symbolically” be placed on the ballot.

    And the media & DNC push this line of b.s. He steals and lies, and then when we demand accountability, and he has to compromise, he’s so wonderful. Gag.

    So when he runs us all under the bus does that mean he’s saving America a lot on their car insurance?

  128. I totally feel like I am in exile from my own party and now comes news that if you are with PUMAs then your future is in limbo. MEMO TO OBAMA CAMP: We aren’t doing this for ‘US’ we are doing it for the ‘USA’ and for our FREEDOM! We won’t step over people or question voter registration because the individual didn’t learn cursive…we will never step that LOW!

    We should make a list of all the people he stepped on or over to get what he thinks he is entitled to.

  129. Out of millions of votes cast and the separation of these two candidates is only about 170, why should she have to “fight, manuver, pledge, agree to conditions, placate, swear to, genuflect, and sign a loyalty pledge”, when neither one has reached the magic number is outrageous! And where are those women in the Dem Party who should be out there screaming their heads off for a degree of fairness on behalf of another female candidate?

    This political fix being done in the name of “unity” is merely driving most of us away since looking around, no one has earned any degree of trust. They all caved.

  130. As much as I dislike McCain, the thought of Obama dealing with the current crisis and those on the potential horizon is mind boggling. Three hundred days in the Senate and everybody telling you how “wonderful” you are does not compensate for experience. I shudder to think.

  131. bostonboomer, on August 15th, 2008 at 1:56 pm Said:
    … I’m not ready to give up on Hillary in 2008 yet, and I won’t give up until the bitter end. This is no time to waffle on that IMO. I am arguing for a redoubled effort based on the partial success of getting the Party to put Hillary’s name on the ballot. Now we have to make sure the vote isn’t just symbolic.

    Agreed! Resist all demoralizing psyops. There will be a lot more of it, in many different subtle, and not-so-subtle, forms in the coming days. It doesn’t matter right now what anyone, including Hillary, Harold Ickes or Lanny Davis, say in public. We are not privy what is going on behind the scenes. The only productive thing we can do right now is to keep pushing for an open convention.

  132. For those of you who read about the KY DEMS fighting back [thanks DownListen for the link to the Lex Herald link] on the move to replace a loyal Clinton delegate with an Obot, here are emails to the state party leaders. ED Horton is a young, firm Obot, and hasn’t been in his position real long [I think last summer]

    Executive Director:
    Jeremy Horton
    jhorton@kydemocrat.com

    Chair, Jennifer Moore
    jmoore@gminjurylaw.com
    (she doesn’t have an email contact listed on the Ky Dem website, so she probably won’t be happy about a swarm)

    I have more email addresses if anyone’s interested.

    BTW, I know some of the challengers to this action, and they are committed Dems, some are long-time Dem activists. Stupid of the state Party to fight them.

  133. BTW, just saw where Russia is now threatening Poland. Nice to think of the weak idiot Bush in the WH dealing with this, nice to think of the weak idiot Obama in this situation, no?

    Someone posted statements Hillary made in 2002 on potential unilateral action in Iraq may come back to haunt us. Prescient, I would say.

  134. I have dared to ask the question, “How Super Are the SuperDelegates?”

    For the answer, visit the new thread above. 🙂

  135. Several posts refer to being dissillusioned if Hillary struck a deal to step back now for Obama. I’m not dissillusioned or surprised. If this is the case, this is what HRC has to do to stay politically viable whether she stay in the senate or runs in 2012. The DNC holds the power and the message and, unfortunately, HRC does not. If HRC had more political capital, more leverage, then she would be presumptive nominee and BO would be a fleeting thought. Don’t get me wrong, I hope to see a floor vote with miraculous results and a nominee wearing a pantsuit but I’m not sure that’s going to happen. Dean & Co have been controlling this thing before the primaries began and they are not going to let it slip through their fingers now.

    Let’s pray for an upset but prepare for the worst.

    Can we have Hillary back now?!!!!!!

  136. Elixir – I agree completely. We have to fight for what we want, but if we don’t get it, we must not be taken by surprise. We need to think and strategize for all outcomes.

  137. I noticed this Olympics headline in my yahoo news:

    Crocker stands in way of Phelps making history (AP)

    It occurred to me that if the IOC ran like the DNC, the US delegation would start pressuring Crocker to quit, and the media would report on it as though they didn’t understand why Crocker continued to compete. After a photo finish, Phelps would issue a press release saying he had always planned to have Crocker on the medal stand with him.

  138. lillianjane:

    If the IOC was rubn like the DNC, Crocker would have been declared the presumptive winner weeks before the competition began, and Phelps would have been called dirty names for “stealing” the gold from Crocker

  139. Sorry Lanny,

    You were weak and we have been watching your weak support for Senaor Clinton all through the primaries. They eat you alive in most of your appearances for Senator Clinton, because you were too weak to stand up against the media machine. I often wondered whether you were more help or hindreance.You reminded me of Alan Combs during the Bush years proffering the progressive view on FOX news.

    We will not vote for Obama. We are not at all convinced that he cares about women, the elderly, the poor or anyone else but himself. We have watched the “new Democratic party” marginalize Hillary, Bill, Jesse Jackson, Rep. Rangel, and many other great leaders who care about all of us, in the name of the “new vangard” of the dems.

    I would like to know why the elitists in the same age group and historical time frame have not also been thrown from the party for this “NEW” generation of dems. Why hasn’t Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, and others been thrown overboard for the NEW shinny party of the young pretty people. Could it be that these indivisuals don’t really care about human rights and are really just power greedy elisists that are in the tank for corporate power? Their support for FISA should be a red flag for all of us. Hell, Nancy Pelosi has to have 10 years on Hillary and has never proven to have any commitment to those who have been disenfranchised. in every way. Now we learn that Pelosi has personally invested in high oil prices and makes money off the backs of the working class, while staunthly opposing off shore drilling without offering up any alternative energy plan other than those that the Obama campaign stole from Hillary. They can call us bigots all they want, but at the end of the day, it is the elitists who are the worst of the bigots, because they are sneaky about it.

    I have heard it said that it is better to know a bigot than to be fooled by one. We are not fooled. We know that Jessee Jackson was for real, that Hillarry, Bill and Rangel are for real. We also know that the trust fund dems like Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc.. don’t really give a rats ass about economic justice, the real measure of equality.

    So NO Lanny, don’t expect us to fall in line for those more interested in throwing a charitable bone to the little people without any commitment to empowering them. .In a nut shell, this is exactly why the elitist dems keep loosing the working class and why this time they will loose the women. as well.

  140. YA KNOW Lanny…. instead of chastising us in advance for our undying and unwavering staunch and completely loyal support ; IT MIGHT BE NICE to acknowledge that we have stood in the face of fierce opposition . ridicule , fear of our safety , pessimism and outright abuse and have not faltered in our support of Hillary Clinton . You think for one moment Hillary doesnt appreciate us?? Think again ..

  141. Hearing more and more about John Kerry becoming BO’s Veep choice. In line with the Veteran theme. I think that would be a disaster – Kerry has pissed off too many of us to be helpful.

  142. What is this man talking about?

    ~”.“We are absolutely committed to electing Barack Obama and this is the best way to do it so let people have their moment,..if someone who hogs the microphone or tries to demagogue or tries to be negative, there will no sympathy from Hillary Clinton or loyalists such as myself,” Davis said…”many of us will be very critical of anybody on the convention floor to do anything that undermines Sen. Obama.”~

    Does he realize that he just admitted that this is NOT a democratic election but a coup detat? And that to enforce this usurpation from the party membership he, and others, are prepared to intimidate, harass and use undefined means of punishing dissenters if they do not follow the dictates of the Obama orchestrated convention?

    He is talking about outright WAR against Senator Clinton’s supporters; the same Voters they persuaded to support her campaign just a few short months ago! No one will trust the Democratic party or its candidates in 2012 after this!

  143. myiq2xu, ya got the Phelps and Crocker mixed up there, but a nice addition to my Olympic metaphor.

  144. I know I will have the urge to sing “I Am Woman” at some point during the convention, whether Hillary prevails or not. I think we should all make an effort to memorize the words. Well, all the women. The male PUMAs will clap along or bang sticks together.
    Here are the lyrics:
    http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/helen_reddy/i_am_woman.html

    Paula Poundstone said she liked to jump on her backyard trampoline singing Helen Reddy songs. I think it made the neighbors nervous.

  145. bostonboomer, on August 15th, 2008 at 1:56 pm Said:

    “… I’m not ready to give up on Hillary in 2008 yet, and I won’t give up until the bitter end. This is no time to waffle on that IMO. I am arguing for a redoubled effort based on the partial success of getting the Party to put Hillary’s name on the ballot. Now we have to make sure the vote isn’t just symbolic.”

    In answer to your comment to me, I think I was just reacting to both the message and tone of Lanny Davis’ quote, along with other comments I’d heard from Ed Rendell. I admire both men and believe them both to be close to Hillary. So when I read that Davis has made comments like this one, “Clinton will have ‘no sympathy’ for some of her supporters who pledge to continue to try to get her nominated at the convention,” I can’t help but wonder if those sentiments are coming from the Clinton herself. And I think that that kind of tactic — putting men on to scold us into submission, if that is what is happening — will, in the end, backfire on Hillary.

    That said, I absolutely agree with everything you said about redoubling our efforts. For me, the fight has become about much more than Hillary being nominated, although that is my wish. The issue has become whether the party is willing to ascribe to its own mission, which is to guarantee equality and fair treatment for everyone. Or is it just equality and fair treatment for everyone who has a hanging-down thingy?

    But I am far from giving up. I made donations this morning to both Hillary and PumaPac, and a third donation day before yesterday to The Denver Group. And I will be in Denver from the 24th to 28th for the march, celebration, etc. So please forgive me for the maudlin moment.

  146. “Jeez Louise, I am beyond tired of the it’s HIS convention bs. ”

    I am too, Joan. He’s not a bride or a debutante! If he gets elected, then January 20th will be HIS day, but the convention belongs to all Democrats.

  147. Carolyn Mann,

    Thanks for your comment. I understand what you meant now. Obviously you aren’t giving up since you donated so much just today, and thank you for doing that. I wish I had more to donate.

    Up high in this thread, there is a comment by luckyann in which she reproduces her e-mail exchange with Lanny Davis. He admitted to her that Hillary did not say any of that stuff he was quoted about–it was all his own speculation.

  148. bostonboomer,

    Went back and read luckyann’s e-mail exchange with Lanny Davis. Am relieved that Hill didn’t say the “no sympathy” quote and am not surprised that he projected his own feelings on her. I heard him say earlier this week that he thought placing her name in nomination would be “idiotic.” Even the best men in the party just don’t seem to get “it” — that treating the woman candidate differently is just not acceptable.

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