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How Super Are the SuperDelegates?

A Hillary SuperDelegate

A Hillary SuperDelegate

Ever since February, we’ve known that the choice between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would not be officially made until the Convention was over. We knew the race was too close to call, and that neither candidate would win enough pledged delegates to get to the “magic number” and clinch the nomination.

Since the people were divided, the SuperDelegates would have to step in and save the day. Their job, their ONLY JOB, is to choose the candidate that is more likely to win in November. Any declarations the pledged delegates and superdelegates make until the Convention are meaningless until the actual vote in August. Since Hillary did not concede and has not released her delegates, all delegates are free to choose either her or Obama at the Convention. This is the way Democratic Conventions have been run for the last 100 years.

Despite what the media and the Obama/DNC Conglomerate tells you, these basic facts HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE FEBRUARY.

Amazing, isn’t it?

If you talk to most Obamans, they will start screaming about how horrible McCain is before you even try to get a sentence out. Wiping spittle off their lips, induced no doubt by the thought of Satan – er, Hillary – occupying the White House instead of The One, they will demand, as David Shuster did yesterday, “Do you support abortion rights? If so, then how can you support McCain?”

This argument does not sway PUMAs, because we understand the facts and they do not. The choice is not between Obama and McCain. It’s between Obama and Hillary, and who is most likely to beat McCain in November. 

If you look at Obama’s performance against McCain objectively, the Senator from Illinois is tanking in the polls. In states where he had a double-digit lead, he’s hemorrhaging support. In swing states, McCain is starting to edge him out. In a Democratic year, this lack of enthusiasm is unheard of. And yet, it’s happening. Why?

Of course, I partially credit the PUMA movement for Obama’s poor performance. But I’ve talked to so many people – Democrats and liberals – who haven’t even heard the word “PUMA” and have already lost their Obamamania. One reason for this loss of support is assuredly the Obamapalooza in Europe. The word “presumptuous” started jogging around the media for a reason after that ridiculous stunt. Then, still on vacation, Obama failed his first 3 a.m. test. It’s not that McCain gave the right answers on the Georgia-Russia crisis, but at least he was specific and detailed in his response. Obama, as per usual, gave vague and noncommittal statements that appeared as if they served only one purpose: to do no harm. Sorry, Barack, when you’re President, you have to do your own homework. You have to sound clear and definite, especially when dealing with jittery, aggressive superpowers like Russia. 

Now, if we had a fourth estate that wasn’t a propaganda arm of the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy, they would be polling Hillary’s chances too. Then, we could do some comparison and contrast. Perhaps Hillary would have been doing a lot worse than Obama against McCain. But based on her performance in the primaries, and given the last polling the national firms did (and this was before the PUMA movement became so well-established), I highly doubt that would be the case.

An Obama SuperDelegate

An Obama SuperDelegate

If the SuperDelegates really ARE super, they will pick the person most likely to beat McCain in November, and that person, according to the best information we have, is Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Now that Hillary will be on the roll call vote, will the superdelegates insist on doing their jobs? Or will they hold on to their Precious until the fiery river of Mt. Electoral Doom engulfs them?

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  1. […] at The Confluence Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Clinton’s Name to Be NominatedObama on the […]

  2. MESSAGE FOR RD ET AL,

    Can we have a post on the delegate and superD counts – who has how many?

    Also, I heard today that McCain’s campaign raised 25+M in July. Does that mean the $$ are out? If so, could we have a post on where HRCs debt is and how much was raised in July?

  3. If so, could we have a post on where HRCs debt is and how much was raised in July?-elixir
    ………………………………
    Yes, I would really like some figures on the debt too.

  4. Elixir – re the count, it is not finalized until the Convention. But here is what CNN says right now.

    Notice that Obama doesn’t have 2210 delegates, even with the Supers pushing him over the finish line.

  5. MadamaB – I LOVE THE GRAPHICS!!!!!!!!!

    OMG!!!! The Gollum, PRECIOUZZZZzzz…

    LOVE IT!!!

    Ok, going to read your post now!

  6. Madamab,

    Love the pictures and the post!

  7. madamab,

    Great pic of Gollum juggling the “Precious” on the brink of oblivion. I laughed as hard as decorum would alllow here in the office.

    -MS

  8. Great post Madamb,

    As always.

    For the purposes of discussion let’s say HRC gets the nomination. Where does it go from there? How do we get the AA, rich liberal and youth vote behind her? I think she can do it but it’s going to be a huge effort while battling McCain. I think she’s up to it but I’m wondering if our country is?

  9. Hee hee hee – SM, I was hoping you’d like them! 🙂 You rocked on the radio last night, girl. PUMA POWER!

  10. Elixir – Quite simply, she will have Barack Obama as her VP in that scenario. That will help enormously. And I believe she will spend the months between the Convention reaching out to Obama’s voters and assuring them that she understands their concerns. If anyone can do it, she can.

  11. The Super Delegates are the leaders of the Democratic Party. That means most of them are also Super Shmucks. They have demonstrated that the Democratic Party is a party that no longer supports working people. (Thank goodness, I re-registered as an Independent). The Super Delegates care about the professional classes, the latte lovers and the crowd on Wall Street. We shouldn’t expect anything good out of thiem at all!

  12. The DNC and the SuperDelegates are like some on Chinese Gymnastic Team: Unqualified (I haven’t seen any baby teeth still visible, but they certainly have the underdeveloped thing going on!)

    Brilliant:

    lillianjane, on August 15th, 2008 at 3:02 pm Said:
    I noticed this Olympics headline in my yahoo news:

    Crocker stands in way of Phelps making history (AP)

    It occurred to me that if the IOC ran like the DNC, the US delegation would start pressuring Crocker to quit, and the media would report on it as though they didn’t understand why Crocker continued to compete. After a photo finish, Phelps would issue a press release saying he had always planned to have Crocker on the medal stand with him.

    PUMA HAKA 👿

  13. how much wood could a woodchuck chuck??

  14. WigWag – Super Schmucks, I love it!

    Even a Super Schmuck might be swayed by a sense of self-preservation. That’s really our only hope, I think…that, and changing Hillary’s mind.

  15. If Hillary somehow became the nominee, she wouldn’t hesitate to offer the VP to Obama, and she would not only be gracious about it, she would be serious.

    Hillary’s got class, Obama’s an ass

  16. myiq – A new bumpersticker! LOL

  17. If the IOC was rubn like the DNC, Crocker would have been declared the presumptive winner weeks before the competition began, and Phelps would have been called dirty names for “stealing” the gold from Crocker

  18. WTF? I’m being moderated?

  19. “I’ve talked to so many people – Democrats and liberals – who haven’t even heard the word “PUMA” and have already lost their Obamamania.”

    Absolutely spot on. I have talked to many, many people who have never heard of PUMA, never read blogs, get all their news from TV, but are regular voters and consider themselves reasonably well-informed. Many of them have told me, tentatively at first (thinking that I must be a BO supporter since I’m a staunch Dem) that they “just don’t think [they] can vote for Obama.” Of course once I let loose with my PUMA-inspired agreement, they let it all hang out and it’s always the same: “I would have voted for Hillary, but not for Obama.” Even REPUBLICANS have said that to me.

    My favorite line came from my Republican bf, who told me during the primary: “The thing you have to know about Republicans and Hillary is: We don’t like her. But we respect her.” Bingo! But the same is not true of Obama.

  20. MadamaB – pshaw! I think we all did great – we sounded like old friends gathered in a living room chatting away. That was fun! I wanted to do the play – I’ve rehearsed my entrance on stage left – “Enough!”

  21. Lemme try again:

    If the IOC was run like the DNC, Crocker would have been declared the presumptive winner weeks before the competition began, and Phelps would have been called dirty names for “stealing” the gold from Crocker

  22. The chairman of the Democratic National Committee has condemned controversial remarks by one of the presidents of the NC Democratic Party’s African-American Caucus (NCDPAAC), who recently said that black Democrats should only vote for Barack Obama in the fall, but not white Democratic candidates.
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  23. DancingOpossum: WOW – right on the money with that line about Hillary.

    Meanwhile, the Neo-Crat DNC have disrespected her so many times….)(&)*^*(^*(!!!!!!!

  24. Myiq – I tried to take you out of moderation.

  25. WigWag, on August 15th, 2008 at 3:15 pm Said:
    The Super Delegates are the leaders of the Democratic Party. That means most of them are also Super Shmucks. They have demonstrated that the Democratic Party is a party that no longer supports working people.

    AMEN!!!!!

    There is no party to represent the working class.

  26. Lou Dobbs welcomes you to e-mail him.

    Lou, please get some Clinton supporters (PUMA–JUST SAY NO DEAL) on your show. I know you will treat them far better then your competitors have and get to why they are raising so much hell with the DNC and Obama.

    Lou Dobbs ——-The Best.

  27. DancingOpossum – Yes, the Republicans respect her because she has never backed down.

    That’s why I didn’t want Obama early on. Republicans want to destroy the New Deal. If you give them an inch, they’ll take Social Security.

  28. My My:

    Gallup:

    August 15, 2008
    John McCain and Barack Obama are tied at 44% in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking report of registered voters’ presidential preferences. These numbers reflect a slight drop in Obama’s support compared with what it has been thus far in August. More…

    PUMA HAKA 👿

  29. Two things: the banner running beneath Fox News is reporting a 44 poll number tie in the race. They even pointed out that McCain has maintained a steady 43-44 lead but Obama has been losing. Yippee!

    The second is that Biden is being touted out again. With the issue breaking daily on the international scene, apparently his gravitas in foreign affairs may be the key to the VP slot. So as of this hour he appears to be a possible “babysitter” candidate for The One. He has about as much foreign policy experience as I do. And that ain’t saying much.

  30. madamab, the Gollum graphic is great! Another excellent T-shirt or poster possibility.

  31. DancingOpossum:..right on about the Rep. disliking her..but they respect her …how could they not…she’s taken everything they’ve thrown at her ..and still fights on. She gives as much as she gets, I’m sure..and that why they respect her.

  32. Carol- How can that possibly be true?? Obama is the reason for the season, oh no wait the one we have been waiting for, yea that’s it.

  33. Ha! PJ, are you and Carol really the same person? Hmmmm….;-)

    So, Joe Biden is being trotted out for VP? Actually, he has a lot of experience in foreign policy. He would be a good choice for Obama IMHO.

    He still won’t win of course. 😉

  34. Great, another President who needs a babysitter and a VP who’s really running the show? No thanks.
    Can we have Hillary now?

  35. If anyone wants to know what the Democratic Party has turned into, this story from the On-line website, Raw Story says it all:

    UPDATE: RAW STORY has obtained a letter from ACLU Colorado, sent to the Denver Police Department regarding the protest detention facility.

    During the 2004 Republican Nation Convention in New York City, over 1,700 protesters were taken into police custody in one of the most sweeping mass-arrests in US history. Many were held on Staten Island’s Pier 57, inside a warehouse which was contaminated with lead and asbestos. Some were held for days, and without proper access to food, water, outside communication or legal counsel.

    In Denver, police are preparing what a local political organizer calls a ‘concentration camp,’ laying in wait for mass arrests anticipated during the upcoming Democratic National Convention.

    On Wednesday, a Denver CBS affiliate sent a news crew to crash the police department’s improvised detention facility, found in a warehouse owned by the city on the north-east side of town.

    “This is a building filled with metal holding cells,” described reporter Rick Sallinger, introducing the segment. “We showed up at the facility unannounced today, the doors were wide open, and we managed to shoot for several minutes until a Denver sheriff’s captain asked us to leave.”

    Footage of the warehouse revels tall, chain-link fence capped by barbed wire, and segmented pens each bearing an identifying letter at about shoulder height.

    The news crew was not invited, nor welcome. Cpt. Frank Gale of the Denver Sheriff’s Department called the facility “a secured area,” and worried that information related to the site would be used “by people who are potentially trying to be disruptive.”

    “Each of these fenced in areas is about five yards by five yards,” said Sallinger. “There’s a lock on the door. How long those arrested will be kept here is not known. A sign on the wall reads, ‘Warning! Electric stun devices used in this facility.'”

  36. WigWag – Feel the Unity!

  37. SM77 are you going to the convention? I ask because I hope to meet you .
    Joe Biden????Nice guy..has a set of b@##s…would like him with Hillary though.

  38. Biden has been in the Senate since 1973.

    Is this the Change we’ve been waiting for?

  39. […] further reading: How Super Are The Superdelegates? Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)PUMA CALL TO DNC DELEGATES Posted in Hillary […]

  40. Are we really witnessing fascism on the rise in Denver? Good God, all this for the sake of this empty suit?

    madamab: The only resemblance to Carol and I is that we “share”. In my case most reluctantly.

  41. Then why not just go ahead and elect Joe Biden? He ran for president with the same resume he will present as vice president. Putting someone on the ticket is supposed to reflect that both candidates are somewhat equal and reinforce their combined strengths.

    Whoever agrees to run with The One will outdistance him in every area of experience. So why is he at the top? Makes little sense. Like we are electing a Homecoming Queen.

  42. PJ – Definitely fascist. I’ve noticed that Obama’s posters have the look of Stalinist/Nazi propaganda. Remember the one from Berlin?

    And I guess half an Eddy is better than none! 🙂

  43. Does anyone know whether the PUMA crowd going to Denver has arranged to have pro-bono lawyers on call? Now that we know that the facists on the left (i.e. Dean, Pelosi, the Obama campaign) are as repugnant as the facists on the right, it is obvious that the services of attorney may very well be required.

    I hope the people organizing demonstrations has thought of this.

  44. madamab: I agree, we have all held off our opinion in this regard for the sake of delicacy. Nothing was worse than what transpired in nazi Germany. Yet some of the same tactics are being employed. Starting with stamping out any form of dissent. I never believed I would see it in the streets of a US city.

  45. When reading some of the vapid yet excited comments made by Obama No Nothing supporters, it brings to mind little kids on Christmas Eve. They are so eager to open their gifts they almost are at the point of wetting their pants in anticipation. I just read one where the poster commented: “I can’t wait for him to be sworn into office. The world will see for once what we are made of!”. Do what you will with that musing. I think I will just leave it alone.

  46. rumor that HILLARY WILL BE VP–perhaps others have already posted this, no time to read comments….probably not true (Huffington post)

  47. But what do we do about the state delagates Obama has purged? I live in Fl. and it’s already happened here.

  48. The Democratic party seems like an elite club. Only the cool people are welcome. There are codes to follow and if you say something they don’t like you are gone. It is a party for the rich.

  49. pdgrey – It’s true that the state delegate situation is murky. We can only do what we can do. The Democratic Party, the Republican Party and the media, both corporate and bloggy, are against us. If they defeat Hillary, so be it, but it won’t be because we didn’t give it our all…

  50. Also, does anyone besides me get a call from the DNC, Democracy Now, etc. every day? I do!

  51. mad – Great minds think alike, have similar taste if they are both Taurus’. That explains it. Eddy was just ripe for the taking.

  52. Fox News!

    Also, I just went out and purchased a really cool iPod so that I can be the first to know!

  53. madamab, thanks for responding. I guess I feel like I’m the only one who knows that has happened. The media sure is not telling any one.

  54. No, not phone calls…but lots of mail from BO and DNC

  55. Eddy just said every Delegate can vote as they chose. The Robot Rule is gone.

  56. Mary Beth, I have to say getting the calls has turned out to be good for the “soul”. I get to tell them what I think of the DNC and the media every day. Plus my sister’s call me every day to hear me give the play back! HA!

  57. For someone wearing a gag Ed sure has a lot to say.

  58. Mary Beth, my sister gets the mail thingy. She cuts her name off uses the self stamped envelope and writes ” I HATE YOU, and now you have 42 cents less. HA!

  59. Every hour the hand of possibleVPs moves around. Now it ‘s Biden or Bayh again. BO won’t name anyone until he determines if he really needs HRC.

  60. Carol – for all the yelling about “the RULZ! the RULZ!” that we heard before the RBC committee meeting, we sure don’t hear that now any more….

    good grief! “pledged” delegates are no longer pledged?

    YIKES!

  61. That’s what Eddy said. The Robot Rule required on 1st ballot they had to vote as chosen. 2nd Ballot they did not. No longer in existence.

  62. I thought that Robot Rule was only in existence for one year in 1980 for Carter.

  63. Parents are suing the city for not preventing them from killing her!

    Okay, I need a nap and drugs and alcohol.

  64. Mary Beth, no, sorry – not going to the convention. Wish I was. My PUMA cub starts school this coming Monday (I live in FL) and Grandma PUMA, who normally watches her, is going away sometime that week.

  65. The DNC Unmasked

    http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/

  66. HRC said a while ago that pledged delegates weren’t really pledged. Unfortunately, it’s true.

    However, this could go both ways.

  67. I have never gotten a phone call, but two days ago, I got two envelopes: one from Oba-Moi, and one from the DNC.

    They both went straight into the trash. 🙂

  68. If anybody wants to play with a hyperventilating troll named Mary, you will find her on the “About Us” thread. She appears to have emerged from her summer class, Bot-any 101.

    How is everyone doing? I’ve been away for a few days. Congrats on the 2 million hits-mark, Conflucians.

  69. Hi Magdalena! Good to see you.

    Awwww, poor widdu troll. If she wants some company, she could try to come here, but I’m awfully fast on that delete key. 😉

  70. The DNC waited until now so that Hillary’s delegates would either have crossed over or decided not to raise money to go to Denver. I was disappointed to get a message from the Hillary campaign today with the name “BO” in the text, as I hate even seeing it. I sent back my Emily’s list soliticitation with a NObama message on it and no donation. I am happy she is getting her due by being on the roll call, but I won’t be satisfied unless there is a convention fight. As some media folk are beginning to point out (duh) BO should not be losing against McCain…but he is. This was a year any Dem should have been able to take it. He never could close the deal with the voters…

  71. PS. Don’t throw your Obama envelopes away. Send them back with a NO DEAL message on them. It’s worth the 42 cents. Or better yet, rip a buck in half and tell them that’s your contribution. McCain raised $27 million in July. Obama won’t say. Did his Republican donors dry up?

  72. Magdalena – I saw your response to her. I think “enough said”.

    I really don’t understand the philosophy behind this phenomonen. Why does anyone bother?

  73. I would like to know some opinions on what you think Hillary’s path to victory is here? Why is she playing the game she is playing? How can it possibly turn out the way we want it? confused 😕 This year? We need her now, not in 2012

  74. Carol – Think evangelical Christians who are really, really bad at recruiting converts. 🙂

  75. Puma Alliance – I have no idea, but in my mind, her best strategy would be to un-suspend just before the Convention. This will make her a viable candidate who must be seriously considered for the nomination.

    Until she does that, she has to make it look like she has been a good soldier for the Party. That’s why she’s being all lovey-dovey with Oba-Moi.

    I think her nomination would be an incredible long shot. But hey, you never know, and we got her name in nomination, which was absolutely NOT going to happen as of August 7th according to The One.

  76. Anyone, like myself, who has not received a fundrasing request from O or DNC can go to Hillary Supporters.com and download a Penny Protest flyer to which you can tape a penny and mail in. The flyer makes the point but it would cost your own stamp

  77. woops, hit button while adding “worth the cost of the stamp to send the msg that there are more of us out here”

  78. I’m curious as to why you think on a Hillary Clinton surprise win, she would find it any easier to get Obama’s supporters behind her than it has been for him to get hers? After all, isn’t it the entire point that they really didn’t want her as a candidate?

  79. After all, they’d be left behind with a “We wuz robbed” sort of sensation when they were convinced they had it. Hard to walk that one back, as people around here might just know…

  80. thanks madamab, thats kind of what I figured, but I am just so confused, I try to imagine what she will do but there is just no way to know. Yeah is it a long shot, but we PUMAs have played our part. I just keep hoping.

    I don’t keep up with everything all the time (there is so much to keep up with!) but Marc Rubin (the Denver Group) mentioned something about a Superdelegate survey on Politico which was leaning in Hillary’s favor. I can’t find it though…

  81. Isn’t that odd, I never check the “about us” page. I guess I just thought it was for the newbies. Now that I’ve checked over there to see what Mary was all about I noticed that quite a few folks are posting not too long ago. Hmmm.

  82. Riverdaughter:

    After hearing Tony in NY speak about the rumor that the O. campaign is pressuring delegates on questionaires, I made some calls here in CA.

    I’ve been told by a “once undecided” delegate here who does go to DNC meetings that the O. campaign has been put in charge of delegates by the DNC. This sounds “not kosher”, however, I may be wrong and it has been done before a la Kerry, McGovern, Dukakis or ??? I can’t stick around today, but this is plainly Wrong even if it is according to the rulzz.

    Thanks for all the work you do on Confluence Says and the rest and all of you: Darragh, Will, and the rest… you know who you are.

  83. ..sorry for the wierd syntax…hurried ….
    catch u later.

  84. Madamb,

    thanks for the link to CNN. I had checked that out before but I thought they were stale numbers. Interesting. Compare the CNN numbers Obama/2201; Hillary/1896; Edwards/6 to the numbers on Demconwatchblog.com and realclearpolitics.com. The Demcon numbers are from 6/6/08 – Obama/2243.5; Hillary/1886/Edwards/4.5.
    The RCP numbers are Obama/2229.5; Hillary/1896.5. Is it possible that Obama’s numbers have gone down or is this due to different takes on who has what? Also, I’ve noticed a variation in the unpledged superDs. Demconwatch has 117.5 unpledged superDs; realclearpolitics.com 102. We must remember that there are 100+ unpledged superDs out there.

    Finally, re the 2210, I think that will become an issue if and when the Credentials Committee decides to honor Obama’s request of reinstating full voting rights to FL and MI. Sounds like that’s being decided on 8/24.

    Hey, wouldn’t that be a hoot and a holler if the CC reinstated FL and MI’s full delegate votes days before the convention pushing the magic number to 2210? It would be a whole new ballgame! Dean & Co must have seen this coming and probably have rigged it so the CC says no. Making BO look gracious but he’s still safe from HRCs challenge.

  85. Great post.

    Shuster has no ethics. He will say anything to advance his agenda.

  86. Sadly, I report on the e-mail I received from Hillary. She states that we are welcome to Denver to help celebrate Obama’s nomination. Sounds like she has given up more than we have. Sometimes I find it hard to keep fighting for someone who won’t fight for themselves.

  87. themselves should be ‘themself’. But, no matter how it should be spelled, the meaning is the same.

  88. WigWag, on August 15th, 2008 at 3:15 pm Said:

    The Super Delegates care about the professional classes, the latte lovers and the crowd on Wall Street. We shouldn’t expect anything good out of thiem at all!

    Right. But those Democrats are actually doing the peoples’ work, you know. Because We, the People… now means we, the corporations. They’re very comfortable with Obama.

  89. Well Well Well. Mandos is back.

  90. Have a couple of questions — and a comment:

    1) Are there any plans to attend the Credentials Committee meeting, or is that even possible?

    2) Am assembling my wardrobe for Denver and having Hillary 08 shirts made (too late to order them). I remember reading something about wearing pink and something about wearing white and I think a third color shirt, but can’t remember what color. Can anyone help with the fashion decisions, cause believe me, I need all the help I can get.

    Now the comment — For those who feel it’s a long shot that Hill could wrest the nomination, keep this in mind: John Kennedy went to the convention trailing by 500 delegates. Got that bit of info from the three “Connect the Dots” videos that someone posted here (I think) on another thread. Thanks to whoever did that. Though I don’t remember who posted them, they were really interesting. I saved the links if I read them elsewhere and someone needs them.

  91. @Carolyn
    I think they were talking about a white dress for August 26 – the suffragettes. The other color for T-Shirts I heard mentioned was orange – but these were T-shirts they’ll have for you there, at the PUMA HQ that you should visit first thing you get there. Other than that, your choice! (with an eye towards maybe being on camera)

  92. I can’t imagine the DNC allowing Hillary to get the nomination if there is any way they can prevent it.

    Mountain Sage

  93. Thanks for the fashion advice, edgeoforever. I look dreadful in white, but will try to pull it together as best I can. Hope to see some of you there.

  94. BB: I read here regularly. But curiosity got the better of me after Pat Johnson’s interesting assertion. I mean, it’s the elephant in the room, isn’t it? It’s not clear that either candidate can really bring Unity(tm) at this point.

  95. […] How Super Are the SuperDelegates? (by madamab at The Confluence) If you look at Obama’s performance against McCain objectively, the Senator from Illinois is tanking in the polls. In states where he had a double-digit lead, he’s hemorrhaging support. In swing states, McCain is starting to edge him out. In a Democratic year, this lack of enthusiasm is unheard of. And yet, it’s happening… If the SuperDelegates really ARE super, they will pick the person most likely to beat McCain in November, and that person, according to the best information we have, is Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Now that Hillary will be on the roll call vote, will the superdelegates insist on doing their jobs? […]

  96. […] How Super Are the SuperDelegates? (by madamab at The Confluence) If you look at Obama’s performance against McCain objectively, the Senator from Illinois is tanking in the polls. In states where he had a double-digit lead, he’s hemorrhaging support. In swing states, McCain is starting to edge him out. In a Democratic year, this lack of enthusiasm is unheard of. And yet, it’s happening… If the SuperDelegates really ARE super, they will pick the person most likely to beat McCain in November, and that person, according to the best information we have, is Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Now that Hillary will be on the roll call vote, will the superdelegates insist on doing their jobs? […]

  97. […] How Super Are the SuperDelegates? (by madamab at The Confluence) […]

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