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Wednesday: The Core

Brad Mays, PUMA conspirator and documentary film maker.

Brad Mays, PUMA conspirator and documentary film maker.

As I mentioned last night, I met with Darragh Murphy yesterday in Princeton. I hope she got home alright so, Darragh, if you’re reading this, just wave your hand. We were in Princeton to meet with independent film maker Brad Mays. He’s commenter Lori’s husband. Lori roped him into doing a film for PUMAPac and the concept was interesting so Brad graciously offered to help us out. Little did Brad know what he was getting into. (Why does Rocky Horror Picture Show suddenly come to mind…?)

So, Brad sets up his equipment and Darragh, who conducts an interview as well as Terry Gross, starts asking me questions and in spite of the fact that all three of us met each other only moments before, something wild happened- the conversation went straight to the heart of the situation. It was intense and multilayered and Brad, who thought this was going to be an easy project, got sucked in.

What we were talking about was how did so many reasonable, open, intelligent people change so much in the span of a year. Anyone who attended the YearlyKos conferences in 2006 and 2007 knows what I’m refering to. In 2006, the first YearlyKos as like a big family reunion. Everyone came together in Las Vegas for a single purpose- defeating the Republicans. I can remember Wes Clark, jumping up on a table in the Hard Rock Cafe, giving an impromptu speech and telling us that what we were doing was important and we were “Sooo close” to winning back majorities in the House and Senate but that blogging wasn’t going to be enough. He urged us to get out from behind our keyboards and put our energy into campaigning and volunteering in any way we could so that we could make it happen. And he presented Markos with a medal of sorts, a Clark coin that he used to give out to people under his command in NATO when he was running it.

This photo is unretouched.  I *saw* it happen with my own two glassies.

This photo is unretouched. I *saw* it happen with my own two glassies.

It was Clark’s way of saying thanks for all of the work Kos had done to bring us all together at a time when it seemed there was little else between the Rethugs and Democracy but a band of hardass, ragtag bloggers with a killer app.

YearlyKos 07 was not like that. The easy comraderie was gone. The presidential contenders were acknowledging us in Chicago, except for Hillary. There was some controversy over whether she would make the breakout session that was planned for her. There was a scheduling conflict caused by the event planners, as it turned out. But she rearranged her schedule at the last minute and had her breakout before the presidential forum planned for later in the afternoon. I had chosen Hillary’s breakout session even though I was an Edwards fan at the time because I felt kind of sorry for her. Edwards’ session was going to be well attended and there was no more room at Obama’s so I thought, why not? How bad could she be? It turned out that she blew me away even before she took my question at the end. I left her session still planning to vote for Edwards but Hillary had definitely left an impression.

Then I went to the presidential forum and suddenly, everything changed. Edwards instantly mesmerized the crowd. He was playing them like a virtuoso. He knew every word that would get the Kossacks to their feet. Here’s the diary I wrote for the Cheeto that day: Dear John, You lost me today. When I look back on that diary, I see that the seeds of what would happen during the primary season were planted last year. Take a look at the poll that went with the diary. Oddly enough, only 3 points separated Hillary and Barack Obama in preference among the Kossasks after the breakout sessions and the forums. It wasn’t like Barack Obama was some transcendent figure back then in spite of his wild popularity going into the forum. He was only a mere three points ahead of the presumably least popular person there, Hillary Clinton. The trick of “how they did it” is in Edwards’ wild, frenzied presentation that left me oddly cold. Why didn’t I get it? What was *wrong* with me?

My guess was that I share more in common with the Wes Clarks and the Hillary Clintons than the Kossacks. What I noticed in the lead up to the primaries is that most of the presidential candidates openly flirted with the Kossacks. They flattered them, pandered to them. Some even wrote diaries. But not Hillary. I think the exception was when she wrote a small piece for FireDogLake but she didn’t stick around to answer comments. Wes Clark dropped in from time to time but as the season wore on, it became clear that he was no longer welcome. Clark considered himself a Kossack. The Kossacks felt otherwise. Hillary barely acknowledged us and this is, I think, what separated her from candidates like Edwards and Obama. She never seemed to feel the need to go to different groups and suck up to them. She invited *us* to come to her. Where Barack Obama appeared to cater to the lefties at DKos to win their support in the primaries, Hillary stuck to a set of core Democratic principles. Here’s a clip of what I’m talking about, although not exactly the one I was looking for, where she is talking about a core Democratic principle when it comes to health care- shared responsibility:

This response perfectly illustrates Hillary’s appeal to me. She did not try to make a deal and “love the one you’re with” in order to score points with various constituencies. She had a set of core principles and she asked voters to join her there. She leads based on principle. Now, that doesn’t mean that Clinton isn’t capable of playing politics or getting down in the dirt like the rest of them. It merely means that when it comes down to putting her money where her mouth is, she votes and plans and prioritizes based on some inner guidance. I think the only time I’ve seen her slip was on the Iraq War Resolution and even there I can see her struggling internally. I think it was a bad vote but in her voting repetoire, it is one of the very few glaring examples where she doesn’t stay true to herself. On FISA, there is no doubt in MY mind that her vote was predictable. She was always going to vote no. Democrats respect privacy and the 4th amendment. If you believe in those things as core Democratic principles, the vote is not a difficult one. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

So, this kind of stuff came at the very end of the conversation that Darragh, Brad and I had. What came before was more about what happened to the Democrats this year. How did the split happen? And how is it that so many otherwise rational, reasonable people underwent such profound personality changes in order to wholeheartedly support a man of very little means and no qualification?

PUMAs, we’re going to get ourselves a movie! Brad hopes to get a teaser clip for us in a week or so. But there is so much material to cover and the project has so many layers and so much depth that we’ve barely scratched the surface. But we have plans, oh my droogs. And we can all play a part in this endeavor. I’ll be talking about that at the time we bring out the teaser.

In the meantime, I’d like to thank Lori for helping to set this up and having the insight to see where it all fits together. Way to go, Lori!

And for all you Conflucians, here is the perfect song for those of us who lead from some inner core. Our task is to lead the rest of the party back to that place. Now is the time on The Confluence venn ve dahnce:

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111 Responses

  1. I had no idea all of this manipulation was going on in the background of the Presidential Primaries with the bloggers.

    Shame, Shame, Shame.

    I guess I am too naive.

  2. Honey, you don’t know the half of it.

  3. Just heard that Denver is planning events for the homeless to keep them off the streets during the convention:

    big screen tv’s in the homeless shelters
    tickets to the zoo and other events

    blah, blah, blah

  4. I don’t know that I want to know. I just want Hillary.

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rule!

  5. RD – are people paid by the campaigns or advertisers?

  6. Carol: If we want Hillary, we have to make sure that the people who can resurrect us understand what has happened and what they need to do about it.

  7. Clark gave Kos a present? I bet he wishes he could get it back.

  8. Carol: Ahhh, who is paying the manipulators, good question. Is it the campaigns? Is it the Republicans? Do the evil geniuses just start the whole thing rolling and stand back and watch the sucker take off on it’s own with minor adjustments here and there?

    This is what we need to uncover. A people can not remain both ignorant and free. I think Ben Franklin said that.

  9. RD – I know that. I just want it over and done with. I used to have a life before Jan 3.

  10. LOL! Carol, Darragh and I were saying the same thing. It’s become the focus of our entire lives. I’ve got to get a maid.

  11. My question: People have to have money – for the most part you can’t sit around and write all day. How does everyone get paid? Who is paying for their sites?

  12. Mawm: Brad had an idea about taping some sequences on the trip to Denver. Darragh and I immediately thought of you and Gary. I’ll be sending you some email soon.

  13. GREAT NEWS-RD !
    Thanks Lori !
    As I said recently to my 83y/o co-PUMA mother; “I just
    have such a bad gut feeling about him, like so many others. Is it possible that so many of us are wrong”?
    Her response; “NO, it’s NOT” !

  14. That’s great news about the film; I’m looking forward to the teaser. Thanks Lori and Brad; thanks RD and Darragh, for all of your hard work to inspire and lead on principle.

    This has been such a sad year for progressives and for Democratic Party principles. It’s been disheartening to watch.

    But, I come here every day for my INSPIRATION and HOPE!

    Thanks for all of it, everyone…you’re makin’ me cry…

  15. I still say – we need the communication between DNC and Obama camp.

  16. For me, it wouldn’t matter if Hillary told the PUMAs to knock it off herself. This thing goes to the very core of whether we will ever be able to trust the election process again.

    Perhaps we never should have.

    Gary and I were talking last night, and I think human beings fall into a good old days syndrome where they think things were better than they are now. Maybe it was, but perhaps the increase in instant information and 24 hr news(propaganda) is merely revealing what was always there, election fraud, corruption, cronyism.

    I think we have a small window of oppotunity to use the internet to create a more democratic society. As we speak the powers that be are trying to turn it into a tool of control. If we don’t stand up now, I think we risk giving up our shot at reigning in Big Brother.

    I am amazed at how many so-called liberal/progressives think that MSNBC and CNN are not biased like Fox just because those networks are supporting the candidate they like. I am completely weened off of those so-called news outlets, and I actually think I am better informed now.

  17. tpt/ny,
    My feelings about BO became what they are from watching him in action. For me, they are just based on intuition. They are based on the sleaziness with which they ran their campaign, and the dovetailing of the corrupt practices of the DNC.
    I don’t have a “smoking gun”, but to me, there is enough circumstantial evidence that the DNC and Obama campaign were in collusion to convict them on high crimes and treason if not to the constitution, but at least to the principles of the Democratic party.

  18. Carol: Well, Kos funds his sites with ads. Each click is a cha-ching! in the bank for him. Same with Josh Marshall. Matt Yglesias has a swank setup with The Atlantic. Even Mike Stark the gadfly has a column with Salon. Joan Walsh, He-LLO! Anyone on The Confluence can write circles around Mike Stark. Yeah, well, the online media is not beating a bath to our door but, who knows what will happen in the future? I mean, I’m no Maureen Dowd but I write an essay every frickin’ morning, fergawdssakes. You’d think that would get someone’s attention.

    Those of us in progressive blogosphere 2.0 are doing it mainly for altruistic reasons. At this point in time, it is hard to find free speech that is actually, you know, free. We need to maintain a free and independent presence on the web. We’re working on laying the foundations for what might turn out to be the equivalent of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

  19. My hope for PUMA is that we are never afraid to examine and criticise either candidates or ideas. RD, in your DK persona of Goldberry, you wrote an incredibly brave diary at one point asking how Hillary could improve her campaign. It was rational, thoughtful, and the kind of analysis that all candidate supporters should have been doing, but they weren’t. Participants in the diaries supporting Edwards or Obama were never allowed to criticise the actions of the candidate unless they wanted to be called a troll–perhaps because so many of those diaries were plagued by real trolls. I don’t know. I do know that when we give up asking our candidates to truly represent us and our needs, that we lose the leverage of our votes.

    Glenn Greenwald has been a beacon of light these days in an otherwise disappointing blogosphere. He has been ruthless in his criticism of Obama and everyone else who supported the new FISA legislation. He basically has called out Pelosi, Harman and Rockefeller as corrupt for never once having objected to the spying on Americans all these years, having known full well what the program involved. He also speculates that Obama’s vote on FISA was a result of the Dem leadership calling in its chips for pushing Obama instead of Hillary. The Dems know that any investigation will show their own sickening role in all the lawbreaking, and if they allow real investigations they will lose their power positions. So Obama was told that if he wanted the brass ring, he had to play along. Glenn doesn’t excuse Obama; he simply explains what he suspects. The whole situation is nauseating, but Glenn doesn’t flinch from calling out anyone who voted for the bill, or, for that matter, anyone trying to excuse a vote for the bill. I want PUMAs to follow Glenn’s fine example of never giving in to hero worship. The Fourth Estate is dead. We need a “Fifth Estate”.

  20. “mawn”
    When I go into a store & someone tries to give me a “Hard Sell”, I immediately walk-out !!
    The DNC are trying to do this with Obama.
    “PUMA’s are’nt BUYING” !!

  21. Two new stories…..

    More Bilge from Obama–Another Empty Fundraising Letter (Which I Reflect Upon with Help from Charlie Chan)
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/63jvmy

    Breaking: Tory Leader David Cameron “Hearts” Obama, Talks about “Progessive Goals” Achieved by “Conservative Means”
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/5uouh8

    The latter one is rather scary!!

    Both are the current leads at http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com

  22. Anyone can out write Dowd! She is a pathetic, whining, jealous, lying loser that is only out done by Noonan – tabloid. I don’t know that they have ever done any real journalism.

    When I read their columns, I need a leather strip between my teeth the rest of the day.

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rule!

  23. “My hope for PUMA is that we are never afraid to examine and criticise either candidates or ideas.”
    ……………
    Yes, this campaign has had an element of fear and especially for those up front and vocal. They have all my admiration and I hope one day the other threats are known too.

    I would say more but under current conditions I will e-mail in private for the other information.

    GO PUMAs!

  24. Riverdaughter: You’re getting someone’s attention!!!

    And to you, Lori, Brad, Darragh — thank you for getting this project moving. All this stuff has to come out. Looking forward to hearing more on this.

  25. President Clinton and major Drug Companies to make an announcement regarding his foundation tomorrow!

    Those Clinton’s – such trash.

    Ride them out of town on a rail!

  26. Carol: Since I have some insight into the pharma thing, I *think* they might be ready to announce that they know that price increases are unsustainable and that they are ready to work for finding a new and better business model. It’s been coming for several years now.

  27. riverdaughter,i am a lurker however i want to say this to you and all of the rest of our leaders in this movement.what you uppity larry,hedi,pagan and the rest are doing is so american.its the refusal to give up fighting for the america that we love ,that we all were raised to beleive in with all of her blemishes and faults.this is a historic fight and i pray it will be looked back on in the same light as the founders in 1775,the stand of the irish brigade at the stone wall at gettysburg,teddy and the rough riders at san juan hill,the 101st at bastonge and the freedom riders in the 1960s in the south.all faced what seemed like insumountable odds yet they persevered and our nation survived and grew because of thease actions by common americans facing long odds.our fight is in the same light as the future of the nation and democracy is at stake,so everytime it seems like the hill is too steep think back at what the people who have gone before us have overcome.the dam has cracks in it and the pressure is building.god bless you all and keep up the good fight.

  28. That clip of Hillary is all at once uplifting and depressing. Uplifting because she is so damn good. Depressing because I miss her.

    We need Hillary now.

  29. don tufte: Thanks for that. I fear we will all have strokes before this is over though.

    dwwenz: Oooo, goody! Maybe I should dig up some more bittersweet Hillary clips.

  30. Oh My God! What Puffe the Magic ….. isn’t telling them is that the “The Calvary is mounted, and Hillary is making the charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/stepup?source=20080714_PV_ND_B-STCO

    Go away little BO’s, go away!

  31. PUMA$ Who Donate will make sure HILLARY is leading the charge all the way to the WH!

  32. Thanks Riverdaughter.

    I’ve got to run. But want to make one point. This project is very good, and ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Really, I have been thinking of us Hillary bloggers writing a book. We MUST BEAR WITNESS. We shouldn’t let media types write history. Do you think they ever own what they did to Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and then Hillary Clinton (I call them the three amigos)? No. Never.

    We should tell the story. Like the book “The Hunting of the President,” by Gene Lyons and Joe Conason, did. That book is a witness to what actually happened, and will live.

  33. Jeez, they’d have more money than God flowing into the DNC coffers if they would just stop acting like dicks. (That goes for Donna B. too)

  34. Carol, Have you kept up with the totals? I haven’t updated the running total for days now.

  35. don,
    I friend of mine who stayed with us for a few weeks helped out by watching our dogs when we went to Unity to protest their staged propaganda. He is pretty apolitcal. While we were preparing to go, he asked us if we were having a lot of fun.

    I turned and looked at him with surprise, “Fun?”, I asked.

    This is not fun. Fun is sitting on a beach with friends. This is compulsion brought on by the assault on our Democracy instigated by the corrupt DNC and Obama campaign as dictacted by their corporate masters.

    I will fight this will everything I can(within the law). I will not be a couch potato watching my country burn on TV.

  36. ghost12 – Sorry, your premise is wrong.

    Hillary is not going down.

    She is going to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    We need a drive started early today from all of the blogs to make sure we have the debt cleared!

    PUMA$ – The time for action is now!

    Pay or Die! (POST)

  37. No one has contributed and posted.

    We need an official drive across the sites – High Profile, Early Today – Let’s get it done.

  38. I wish we had some feedback about how the fundraising is going.

  39. On FISA, there is no doubt in MY mind that her vote was predictable. She was always going to vote no. Democrats respect privacy and the 4th amendment. If you believe in those things as core Democratic principles, the vote is not a difficult one.

    RD, you are absolutely right on this. I just had to take another trip and come up with this remarkable article from WIRED written in Jan. ’07 wenn none of these idiots was talking about privacy:

    Hillary: The Privacy Candidate?

    There she unveiled a proposed “Privacy Bill of Rights” that would, among other things, give Americans the right to know what’s being done with their personal information, and offer consumers an unprecedented level of control over how that data is used.
    “At all levels, the privacy protections for ordinary citizens are broken, inadequate and out of date,” Clinton said.
    These ideas have long been championed by consumer groups and civil liberties advocates, but are largely strangers to presidential campaigns.

    As always with Hillary, experts were impressed:

    But Clinton’s approach is notable for its range and detail, say privacy advocates.
    “Sen. Clinton’s plan is well-informed and the most sophisticated statement in recent years by a presidential candidate on privacy issues,” said Chris Hoofnagle, a law professor at UC Berkeley’s School of Law. “She grasps consumers’ frustrations with the annoyance of direct marketing, but also the more important point that a lack of privacy can lead to lost opportunities and oppressive social control.”

    Check what that vile witch was up to:

    Her general policy position is that companies should cede more control to consumers, and that new legislation should be enacted to make it easier for consumers to recover monetary damages from companies that violate their privacy policies.
    For example, Clinton said that financial companies as a rule should not be allowed to share consumers’ transactional information without first obtaining their permission. Under current law, financial institutions freely share certain kinds of customer information unless consumers specifically opt-out.

    And then there is this:

    Legal and technical checks on government snooping and well-managed data collection policies would also get a boost under Clinton’s regime.

    Remember. That was in Jan ’07, 18 months ago.

  40. “Oh My God! What Puffe the Magic ….. isn’t telling them is that the “The Calvary is mounted, and Hillary is making the charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    I think he means cavalry – calvary would be putting him on the cross.

  41. Mawm –
    I’m with you. This is NOT FUN! I’ve been protesting since 2002. I have family members who have asked the same question (as your dog sitter). It is nonsensical to think that working so hard is fun. But it is invigorating, depressing, encouraging, discouraging. It is hard work.
    I probably do seem crazy to some people. My nephew (who refuses my emails because I am now on the “no fly” list) just yesterday, asked me if I would do the same thing again, now that I have been flagged (by whoever) as a “danger”.
    And this is fun? wanting to do the right thing by/for my country?

    Obama is not the right thing for my country. I knew it in 2004. I know it now.

  42. Dear RD: This is a major accomplishment. Documenting what has gone on this year in the blogosphere and off, in caucuses and in primaries, at the RBC, and eventually in Denver is crucial. Congratulations.

    Heidi Li

    P.S. Katiebird on or about July 20 the Clinton campaign’s quarterly FEC report stating all contributions received in Q2 will be released. That will only cover money in as of June 30th, but it is the closest thing to hard info on retiring the debt that we are likely to see soon.

  43. Riverdaughter,

    Thank you so much for your invaluable insight. I had always wondered how Obama had been able to get such strong support from the people I had previously respected and admired. It is very eye opening. I can only imagine how terrible it must have been for you to be a firsthand witness to the roots of the mass hysteria that took hold of half of the democratic party. I was so stunned at what I was witnessing during the primaries, but I was so much farther removed than you have been. Thank you for having such a strong core and intellect and being the voice of reason. I admire and appreciate your contributions to our movement of reason. You have kept me going by being an affirming and inspiring leader. I especially appreciate your fair mindedness. It is clear that while you may be passionate, you have never been dictated to by your passions. Intellect!

    Hillary is no-nonsense. That’s why I respect her.

  44. RD, I share much of your evaluation of dKos, as a long-time denizen of that site who watched the Obama meltdown over there. Tremendous irony in that Hillary – not blogger-chasing like some of the sycophants you mention – actually voted against the condemnation of MoveOn, unlike Obama. For that, she got precious little credit.

    Obama needs to do nothing – and Hillary could never do enough. That’s the defnition of true cult status at the Big Orange. Now the weeping over there is just too rich.

    And FISA? Again, Hillary’s correct vote was ignored or explained away over there while the Sacred One is, somehow, “understood.”

    Anyone on dKos in 2004 saw the beginnings of the Obama cult form as soon as he gave his speech. They were already a mob in search of a hero. And so they made him one.

    What part of “sucker” did they not understand?

  45. MABlue- After I read what you just posted,

    “Check what that vile witch was up to:

    Her general policy position is that companies should cede more control to consumers, and that new legislation should be enacted to make it easier for consumers to recover monetary damages from companies that violate their privacy policies.
    For example, Clinton said that financial companies as a rule should not be allowed to share consumers’ transactional information without first obtaining their permission. Under current law, financial institutions freely share certain kinds of customer information unless consumers specifically opt-out.

    And then there is this:

    Legal and technical checks on government snooping and well-managed data collection policies would also get a boost under Clinton’s regime.

    Remember. That was in Jan ‘07, 18 months ago.”

    I realized why it is imperative for Hillary to lose. All along the FISA bills and amendments have been written to protect everyone but me/us. Hillary is the one who offers me/us the privacy that is guaranteed in the Constitution. She is not the coroporate shill that the DNC, The Precious and his campaign would have us believe. I knew this before, but your comment just gave me the information and ammunition that I need.

    Thank you so much.

  46. Delphyne – Puffe said it, I was just making a play on words.

    When he loses, his worshippers will surely need him to make his way to the mountain.

  47. I think I like Sen. Clinton for many of the same reasons you do. Although, I have never been much of a fan of internet political blogs like DailyKOS. They remind me too much of something like sports talk radio, or 13 year old boys arguing about which gaming console is better.

  48. I think the only time I’ve seen her slip was on the Iraq War Resolution and even there I can see her struggling internally. I think it was a bad vote but in her voting repetoire,

    My own perspective on this is she did not slip. I will never call it a mistake and hold it against her. It was a calculated risk on two fronts: One she wanted to make sure that nobody could accuse her being a non-hawk later, the CiC test and the other was at that time, there was an anger among the public that the US had to go and kick some butt somewhere and there was wide support for that — even my very liberal husband was in support of it and many like him and there was no inkling that it would be mismanaged so badly later for us to find ourselves where we are today. There was a good chance it could have been successful. Then where would she be? The CiC test, being a woman was critical for her; if she had voted no and the war was a success, then she did not stand a chance. The big manipulation here is that some obscure and unheard of speech propelled the presumptuous nominee later. He need not ever be subjected to the CiC test because he has you know what. This frustrates me more than her vote.

  49. Can’t get the audio on the first video clip? Wonder if others had the same problem.

  50. You can just see him standing next to her in the video plotting on how to steal every idea she’s ever had and re-gift it as his. “Hmm”, says he. “Must store away for future spin”. Bastard. Am very eagerly looking forward to seeing the High Priestesses of PUMA on film. Having been given your brief albeit compelling explanation for some of the machinations going on in the last 2 years, I’ll enjoy the full PUMA meal deal when you can get this thing going.

  51. RD, that’s awesome. I can’t believe there’s going to be a documentary. You’re entering the historic record.

    By the way, MSNBC was nice enough to do a story on Hillary this morning. Guess what on.

    Her hair. She changed the part in her hair from left to right and they spent five minutes talking about it. And her cleavage.

    *sigh*

  52. tpt/ny, on July 16th, 2008 at 8:44 am Said:
    “mawn”
    When I go into a store & someone tries to give me a “Hard Sell”, I immediately walk-out !!
    The DNC are trying to do this with Obama.
    “PUMA’s are’nt BUYING” !!
    ——————
    The DNC is a used car salesman and they’re trying to sell us a lemon. Yellow, the new Black.

  53. Carol, I know – I actually listened to his begathon spiel and had to backtrack and listen again – he actually did say calvary which made me laugh. What a jerk he is.

    Are we doing another push after we find out the results on the 20th to retire the debt – if there is any debt left?? I can donate a little more.

  54. This confirms that I was not “paranoid” in my belief that the fix was in. I began to feel those stirrings back in February. An unqualified candidate coming out of nowhere against a far more qualified candidate who offered real solutions, no way!!

    As for Iowa, the expectation was that Edwards held the real shot at winning there since he had practically taken up residence in that state for two years and his positions at that time spoke to the problems of the Iowans far more succinctly than those of Obama. Something did not feel right.

    Hillary was delivered the shaft by the powers that be in collusion with certain subsets of the blogospere and the MSM. Credit must be bestowed on a candidate who went up against the odds and stuck to her message in the face of these assholes.

    We need to beat them at their own game and if it means installing a doddering McCain to illustrate our resolve, then so be it. I won’t lose much sleep in going over to “the other side”.

  55. Carol: Well, Kos funds his sites with ads. Each click is a cha-ching! in the bank for him. Same with Josh Marshall. Matt Yglesias has a swank setup with The Atlantic. Even Mike Stark the gadfly has a column with Salon. Joan Walsh, He-LLO! Anyone on The Confluence can write circles around Mike Stark. Yeah, well, the online media is not beating a bath to our door but, who knows what will happen in the future? I mean, I’m no Maureen Dowd but I write an essay every frickin’ morning, fergawdssakes. You’d think that would get someone’s attention.

    If you get paid by the number of site hits, and supporting one candidate/position will get you 1000 hits a day but another will get you 10,000 or 100,000, might that affect your point of view?

    Now if you’re a paid journalist you might get told to write an article a certain way, or you might just see the writing on the wall and figure out where the path to higher income lies.

    “Those that go along, get along.” Why else does MoDo even have a job?

  56. I think what happened with the Iraq resolution is very simple – the only way to avoid war was to get the inspectors back in to finish the inspections. Congress was two weeks away from mid-term elections and we knew we were going to lose the senate – possibly by big numbers. So, Bush was going to get his authorization either in October in a way that would tie him to the UN, or in January as construed by the senate hawks. Now, Hans Blix wanted the military authorization. In his book, he writes about talking to Colin Powell about the importance of the resolution passing in order for him to do his work. He felt it was the only way to get the unfettered inspections that would allow him to certify Hussein as disarmed – and that certification was our only hope of preventing the war. In the end, Bush forced Blix to leave before Blix finished the job. And no one in the blogosphere – NO ONE – was predicting that Bush would force the inspectors to quit in order to invade. People like to claim otherwise, but it is not so.

    Clinton knew Bush was determined to invade. She voted to put barriers up between him and the invasion. Edwards, whom I love, was actually pro-war. Nothing Clinton said or did at the time indicated she was in favor of invading. She was in favor of disarming Hussein and she voted the only way she possibly could to make that happen. That’s what she means when she says that had she known that Bush would not abide by the resolution, she never would have voted for it. If the UN’s weapon inspection program was not going to be finished, then her vote is meaningless.

    The vote was a Hail Mary pass. Better than turning the resolution to attack Hussein over to a bunch of blood-thirsty Republicans eager to demonstrate how willing they were to slaughter people in another in the name of democracy.

    Anyway, I must say I have never heard of Brad turning a camera off to join a conversation ever. And what a funny treat to open The Confluence and see my beloved. 🙂

    I can’t wait to see the footage. 🙂 Brad is incredibly jazzed about what he shot yesterday.

  57. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/us/politics/16poll.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
    Poll Finds Obama’s Run Isn’t Closing Divide on Race

    More than 80 percent of black voters said they had a favorable opinion of Mr. Obama; about 30 percent of white voters said they had a favorable opinion of him.
    …………………………………………………………………….
    ?

  58. myiq2xu: I am a huge fan of your writing and analysis. This is one of your best summations. Wish it would gain more traction outside the blogosphere. This guy is a sham.

  59. Oh, btw, Kos and Josh have been selling advertising on their sites for a long, long time. I think a week long run on Kos is $25k and he has several different ad spaces available. That site rakes in a few million a year. Consider that.

    It’s interesting to me that none of the women writers other than the snarky, lightweight Wonkette, have been picked up for writing gigs. RD – you’re new to having your own blog. But consider that Digby doesn’t have some cushy gig and neither does Anglachel – a jaw-dropping political scientist writing what no one else is in the blogosphere. Who has more to offer the Atlantic? Yglesias or Digby?

  60. Wow! Interesting history. Very enlightening. I am still wondering – who picked these republicans – Kos. Avrosis and Huffington to be the “A” list “progressive’ bloggers? And who’s surprised at the results?

  61. Lori: Your synopsis of the reasoning for that vote was most accurate. Yet, despite that, Hillary has never apologized, tap danced, or spun herself into a web just to appease the electorate. She has stuck to her guns which is something I have always admired about her. As president, she would be able to hold her own and go toe to toe with anybody.

    I am excited about yesterday’s filming and expect it will have impact. And hubby looks like a big teddy bear!

    Thanks for putting your ideas into practice.

  62. Powers that be: How about a brown bag lunch donation starting asap through Friday at midnight!

    I think let’s do $10.08 per day for lunch.

    We need to bring everyone in – all sites.

    I will of be happy to add em up. fuzzy will do the leaning. We will all be leaning if we give up our lunch money.

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rule!

  63. Carol: I am in. Will wait until Friday with you.

  64. I just mentioned this on Clown House, Obama actually wrote Dreams Of My Father in Bali. He couldn’t write in Chicago and so they sent him to Bali for several months to write the book. Boy, that never makes it into the narrative.

    And just a reminder, the Illinois state legislature only met 55 days per year when he was in office. He got paid about 55k a year for that job and did virtually no work. No wonder he kicked Alice off the ballot.

    The thing that gets me about Obama is that he doesn’t do anything for anyone else. He graduates from Harvard Law, the editor of the Harvard Law Review, and runs a voter reg project. Then he goes to Bali to write his book. Then he comes back and goes to work at a civil rights law firm where he does nothing of value. He doesnt’ lead on a single case. He doesn’t win any precedent setting law suites. He assists other attorneys and rounds up money for the likes of Rezko. He goes to work in the Illinois senate and doesn’t pursue anything that betters people’s lives. He gets assigned to some juicy stuff – the amendment that he added to the children’s health insurance bill. But he didn’t initiate that – Emil Jones assigned him that gig.

    There is simply not one single example of Obama, after law school, repeating pursuing an agenda, of his own volition, on behalf of anyone under-privileged or challenged. He doesnt’ do it.

  65. Wow. RD. I had no idea you were such a BIG BERRY. But, you are an honest GOLDENRIVERDAUGHTERBERRY! When we first met, you had just started the Confluence. I couldn’t find any sites in here that were supportive of her — and then I found you. The news wasn’t covering it, and the press wasn’t either. I was for Edwards too, tentatively — then Hillary. Since Jan.? Thanks to you and others of your friends and what they were saying, and research — I do believe we have seen the first electronically rigged election in American History, no? All the films are invisible! Over at Larrys, here, anything from YOUTUBE — which is owned by the G.

    In fact the G is involved, as well. So would a group of people actually plan to CENSOR here? In order to manipulate an election’s outcome?

    Have they gotten paid big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for that?

    If so? What country are we living in?

    Because this is what you call swaying an election, and funny but today behind the scenes I saw this really interesting thing — in the searches. I don’t think WP is part of the G gang who did this.

    But I guess we’ll see. It was a lot of work putting in all those films — and after you caught that “bloggers lie” comment, the New Yorker cover makes complete sense to me…

    I don’t care if I have to go Repub after all these years of being a Dem if this is what they have done to elections in America. It was bad enough 8 years ago — then again four years ago, but this year?

    I thought the blogs would at least be honest in an era of diminished press. Perhaps, what has happened will make them so.
    It would actually be a good thing? Anyway, you sure can tell who is who in here, and who is having a tantrum, and who is intelligent because the tantrum dude who got the medal —? It hasn’t gone unnoticed by a bunch of your friends. Bravo to you, from January until now, and forever into future times.

    xxoo! (hugs, bows, and confetti to somebody who is HONEST!)

  66. THIS IS AWESOME!!!!

    MUCH better than Paul Krugman becoming a PUMA! (some of my guesses that were wrong of course).

    WOW!

    Lori, YOU ARE PHENOMENAL! THANK YOU & YOUR HUBBY TO GET PUMA Documented!!!

    I’m tearing up, this is fantastic – what a great moment!

  67. RD,

    I can’t wait to see the film!

  68. Everything about Obama is fraudulent. Oprah took James Frey to task before the entire nation for blending the truth with fiction in his book yet Obama does the same and the silence is deafening. These people are complete hypocrites.

  69. myiq2xu: I wish I could be so eloquent. And like purchasing a used car, it’s the mystery of its history that makes the stomach churn. Damned RBC of the DNC!

  70. What’s great about the documentary is that it’s the “whistleblowing WTF IS GOING” to the DNC – on film. It’s one thing to hide behind a keyboard, but film is the most powerful medium to convey a message.

    OMG, doing backflips here. Lori & Hubbster, thank you!

  71. Hi everybody. Yesterday whenever I was able to run to my computer I read the articles posted here, but I was also searching the net for any more leads or hints I could find for where the Obama money came from, and WHY.

    I had experienced a panic attack on Monday about the possibility of that MF*%^er actually becoming POTUS, and about who would be chosen as VP. I was also realizing that McCain, though running a weak campaign so far, is no source of nurturing and unconditional love for the people of this country and would also have a VP of yet unknown possibility…

    Since the beginning of this summer a friend of mine, who is a musician, has been renting a house near a job that he has. This house belongs to Republicans on summer leave, AND, I was shocked, one of their coffee table-stack of books is about how to keep Hillary from being elected to the Presidency. I will find out the name later if someone wants to know it, but apparently it’s one you can get at Barnes and Noble, not a Republican handout at one of their Republican parties where you have to show your tax return at the door (joke).

    My friend has told me that one of the main reasons, in this book, for needing to keep Hillary out of the White House, is that she is AGAINST FREE TRADE. She was not in agreement with Bill when he capitulated and agreed to sign for NAFTA. Free (or UNREGULATED trade) gives the”big guy” an opportunity to take advantage of the “liitle guy”. Any greedy, control freak, power hungry individual and/or group wants to make sure that they are and stay “the big guy”.

    I had read “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” which opened my eyes and mind to just how insidious and inhuman politics gets. Has anyone read “Bad Money” by Kevin Phillips? This book is where Soros was one of the people that was looked at and where I began to suspect “Hmmmmmmmm…….?”

    I looked up anything new about Soros and found a 15-minute video on You Tube, which I watched. It had a lot of things that I already knew, but below the video screen on the YouTube page was a note that said to watch another video “1932: A True History of America.”

    Well, I started watching it and I was mesmerized and amazed. So many things that I had noticed in study of history and didn’t quite “get” seemed to come together and become clear. (For example, everytime someone was murdered, i.e.Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, it was by an “anarchist”. Anarchy means against the system, right? These people were acting for people who wanted the system to not regulate trade and give then a chance to prosper.)

    The first 1/2 of the video sets up the stage for what was going on all over the world from th 1770s to 1932 NOT as I (we?) learned it in 10th grade American history class. I had to keep pausing and going away for a while, and so I have not yet completed watching the whole video. It is very detailed and so far over an hour long….and I am now just at the beginning of the convention where the “big guys” are trying to keep FDR off of the ticket………because…….he is a threat to…………”free trade”!!!!!!

  72. Would someone please tell me why I am in moderation?

  73. OK, Carol – here’s something for ya!

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 16, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
    Contact: Delphyne
    NJ
    Amount: $10.08

  74. “Sharon”
    “My Point Exactly” !!

  75. PS – Carol or RD, can there be a tab uptop to show the donations? Might be easier to tally that way and we’ll all know where to find where to give – rather than guessing at the topic. Just an idea…..

  76. WooooooooooHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Delphyne is in for ten oh eight!

    I’m taking the total to the next thread!

    Please join us for a Brown Bagging 3 days!

    Desert will be served on January 20, 2009!

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rule!

  77. Well, I’m still in moderation, but I just reread my (maybe too long?) post, and actually need to make a correction. The YouTube video that I was talking about is called “1932, A True History of the United States.”

  78. Riverdaughter, you are awesome! Love your post.

    PUMA! Voice of the Voters
    Let’s take our party back, let’s take our country back
    NObama

  79. Mawm, I agree with your earlier post about the media. I am so much better informed and so much happier now that the internet is my primary source of news.

    The blogosphere is where it is at.

  80. riverdaughter, on July 16th, 2008 at 8:11 am Said:

    Honey, you don’t know the half of it.

    Please tell us more.

  81. How grand! PUMA is going to have its own movie! HAHAHHAAH..

    Who is cool now? PUMA fighting for principles or Bot singing yes we can.

  82. No, there was a time when our MSM was as close to unbiased as possible. I remember when after debates the MSM would run “fact checks” on statements made by all candidates and tell the public which were exageration, false or whatever. This is when the bosses at these companies worked hard to live up to the ethics of journalism.

    30 years ago there was much talk about the dangers of allowing Mega-Corps and people like Murdoch from owning multiple sources of news. This was discussed at all levels and everyone seemed to acknowledge that it should not be allowed. But here in America we most value the almighty $. Who are we to blame. In truth, if we are honest, we should not pass the buck to our Gov’t. This is the duty of the people in a Democracy. We are to blame. Sorry for soundy preachy. Now, what are we gonna do bout it. ;).

  83. My friends, our friend NavyVet has penned a remarkable article that I think you should read: Hillary Detractor-His Chickens Come Home to Roost

    It’s got some parts of that great June 3rd Speech as well as some background as to what went down on that fateful day. Give it a read and some feedback.

  84. I am looking forward to the documentary. I do not think “history” will be kind to Obama and the DNC. The truth needs to come out. Wtih no truth spoken, there is no democracy. Obama, Axelrod and his followers can repeat a lie all they want, it will never make it the truth.
    It seems that the Obama talking point today is the WaPo poll showing him 8 points ahead of McCain. If this is a democratic year shouldn’t he be20 points ahead? I learned from the primaries Obama “over performs” in polls and “under performs” in votes. Obama, do not start redecorating the White House yet.

  85. NH, take it back!

  86. Pat – thank you so much for your kind words. I am very excited about the documentary and think it’s going to tell a fascinating tale of a genuine grassroots movement from pretty much the beginning.

    And my husband is a big teddy bear – pretty much. He’s not that grim looking in person. I need to get him an actual headshot. He’s very good at what he does, and he knows his stuff – that’s for sure.

  87. Oh, and all hail to Darragh Murphy for recognizing the value of this doc. this happened because she committed to it.

  88. […] Wednesday: The Core Posted on July 16, 2008 by riverdaughter (this is an excerpt from the piece)… “…My guess was that I share more in common with the Wes Clarks and the Hillary Clintons than the Kossacks. What I noticed in the lead up to the primaries is that most of the presidential candidates openly flirted with the Kossacks. They flattered them, pandered to them. Some even wrote diaries. But not Hillary. I think the exception was when she wrote a small piece for FireDogLake but she didn’t stick around to answer comments. Wes Clark dropped in from time to time but as the season wore on, it became clear that he was no longer welcome. Clark considered himself a Kossack. The Kossacks felt otherwise. Hillary barely acknowledged us and this is, I think, what separated her from candidates like Edwards and Obama. She never seemed to feel the need to go to different groups and suck up to them. She invited *us* to come to her. Where Barack Obama appeared to cater to the lefties at DKos to win their support in the primaries, Hillary stuck to a set of core Democratic principles. Here’s a clip of what I’m talking about, although not exactly the one I was looking for, where she is talking about a core Democratic principle when it comes to health care- shared responsibility…” You better read that whole thing!  Because my sense is that the bottom is about to drop, or the curtain is about to drop on something pretty damn big.  We don’t RIG elections in AMERICA, do we?  We don’t CENSOR in AMERICA do we? The P.U.M.A. movement was born because certain female bloggers were pushed offscene by a bunch of little shits who didn’t want any dissent to their worldview.  Were they getting paid behind the scenes to sway the election?  That is an interesting idea to mull… And, trust in this, the PUMApeople will find out… because we are sort of hot on the scent of what has been done so far…………… Posted in Uncategorized | Tagged 1984, Americans, articles, articles on scrubbing, bad guys, blogosphere, book, censorship, doublespeak, election 2008, election rigging, elections, feminist politics, Freedom of the Press, good guys, green politics, Hillary Clinton, honest, honest bloggers, John McCain, journalism, non-doublespeak, non-paid bloggers, opinion, Orwell, outcomes, P.U.M.A. progressives, politics, politics 2008, press, public, rigging, scrubbing, stories, swaying, tactics, tantrums, the presidency, truth, web, web censorship, web pages, Writers | […]

  89. Lori, I saw that on the About Us page you wanted to know where I live – I live in Tampa FL.

  90. Carol, on July 16th, 2008 at 8:12 am Said:

    “Just heard that Denver is planning events for the homeless to keep them off the streets during the convention:

    big screen tv’s in the homeless shelters
    tickets to the zoo and other events

    blah, blah, blah”

    Ya, but that is a short term solution, a gimmick. What good are earrings in the long run…

    I could not resist sorry.

    How shallow of them. How about keeping them off the street all year long? Change! The Democrats don’t want to be hassled for change and so they go ( as we use to say In Dungeons and Dragons in the 80’s) Monty Hall on them.
    King for a day then back to jail with you.

  91. Athena: Obama made a splash at DKos before his election but afterwards, he seriously failed to impress. And it really wasn’t until Edwards was seriously damaged before he made any headway. Then he took off like a rocket. There was a combination of “anyone but Clinton” as well as blog manipulation at work but most of it didn’t start until 2007.

  92. Lori: Brad is a true kindred spirit. We absolutely loved him.

  93. RD – many thanks to you and Lori and her hubby for getting a documentary going!

    I can’t tell you all how much better I felt once I found The Confluence. For months I had thought I was ridiculously paranoid about the primary being manipulated. I thought maybe it had something to do with being a Democrat in the South. I’ve gotten used to just keeping my mouth shut about politics. Typically, the only people I would talk about politics to were my black friends. This year I couldn’t even talk to most of them, and I couldn’t shake the sad feeling that we were being intentionally divided.

    But the more this whole saga unfolds, the more I begin to see that I wasn’t crazy after all. Even if it’s only the PUMA’s who understand that.

  94. Carol,

    I feel like putting this on a bumper sticker:
    “I used to have a life before Jan 3.”

  95. No surprise here. Nothing these scumbags do surprises me.

  96. OMG…I read your piece RD and I am scared, scared because the more is peeled away, the worse it gets.Then I read all of the posts and now I don’t know if I want to dig deeper, because it just confirms so many awful truths about the depth of corruption in this country.
    What once was a cause, has now become a real conspiracy on so many levels.

    I’m now going to ask you Riverdaughter, what you meant by saying “you don’t know the half of it…”
    By the way, I’ve admired your writing for as long as I have found you, and when you speak, I listen, but i wonder how much we should know if we’re going to try and change the system of corruption in the political arena?

  97. “I have never been much of a fan of internet political blogs like DailyKOS. They remind me too much of something like sports talk radio, or 13 year old boys arguing about which gaming console is better.”

    I thought this throughout–my brother cautioned his son against viewing a campaign as you would your favorite sport.

  98. regencyg: thanks for that post I loved the article and it was awesome to hear that speech again. we have to get this woman in the WH.

    RD: Great news about the documentary. This is the mutha of all movements. Thanks.

  99. River, beautiful as always.

    Carol, NONE of us wanted to know any of this ugly stuff…but we cannot work for change unless we know what we’re trying to change…and what we’re up against.

    The truth will set us free every time, and although it is comfy in the little soft cotton nests we all cling to from time to time, we cannot get anything accomplished in there, save a little R & R for ourselves…not that there’s anything wrong with that…we all need rest…but we cannot hope to change things and get our Hillary in office unless we are fully aware of the extent to which the BO campaign and the DNC leadership have gone to accomplish their goals, to the exclusion of voting rights, integrity, and truth.

  100. Ryan and lillianjane, ITA. In the tiny little empire I rule in my mind, I characterize blogs like Kos as political versions of, “The Enterprise could totally kick Battlestar Galactica’s ass, man!”

  101. tpt/ny –
    >> Is it possible that so many of us are wrong”?
    Her response; “NO, it’s NOT” !

    lol My 88 yo PUMA-mother said the same thing! Never thought I’d see the day my ‘Yellow Dog’ mom would willingly leave the party she grew up with; she changed to Independent over a month ago and hasn’t looked back. (And wore black that day!) She’s my rock. When I get really fed up with the media and O supporters and the mockers, 5 minutes talking to her and I am back on track. My dad isn’t with us any longer but I have NO doubt he’d be on board as well!

    Here’s to PUMA moms, dads, daughters and sons!

  102. Another thing: from a Clarkie perspective
    In 2003 Kos was on the side of the draft movemenyt. Somewhere along the way, like he did with Union endorsements , dear Howie blew in and made some promise. Was it money? was it what he said to AFL-CIO “don’t worry, I’ll make him my VP, you’ll get both if you endorse me”?
    We don’t know for sure – but one day Kos became “for Dean” (he grew tired to wait for Clark to declare) – and that translated into attacks on Clark too. And led to my abandoning my diary there and never looking back. I never could avoid Moulitsas though as Air America started having him there very often and hosts like Garoffalo, sam Seder and others were always deferring to him. I was listening to Air America a lot in 2004-2006 – and stopped completely once Randy Rhodes made a 180 on the Clintons.
    I always thought the AAR hosts were ideologically beholden to Dean – as since last year, ABC became more and more clear.
    There’s a graph on it here
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=682

  103. Yes, yes and yes!

    I don’t know what separates the Dems who get it from those that don’t, although I believe it may be a simple matter of “my candidate is cooler than yours” gone horribly awry. It may very well include broad based sexism including younger guys living at home, tired of their mom’s telling them what to do.

    What ever it is, I’m glad there will be a documented attempt to sort this out and maybe point out the irony that barkey’s supporters have willingly suspended reality by buying in to this charade that is the Obama campaign.

    I can’t wait!

  104. RD i want to thank everyone for the hard work you all do. I am very excited over the film. I have supported Hillary from day one and campaigned for her here in Las Vegas and have never stopped. She is so strong and brilliant.She has made us just like her. God Bless America and God Bless all the PUMAS and Everyone fighting for The Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  105. We will make history .We will make a better America. We will make people stand up and take notice of us.We will not stand in line and be told to get pver it.We are Free and Brave.
    sandipuma

  106. Although I am capable of intellectual commentary (most of the time), I must say I love your picture. You look EXACTLY like my Aunt Noelle. You’re not my Aunt Noelle…are you????
    http://www.wideawakeinwonderland.wordpress.com

  107. Thank you PUMAS for helping elect John McCain.

  108. You’re welcome

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