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Fifty-six Honorary PUMAS

Two-hundred and thirty-two years ago, fifty-six men committed high treason.  In doing so, they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.  Today our nation celebrates what these traitors did.  They declared our independence.

These men were duly appointed representatives of the thirteen original colonies.  The colonists were very unhappy with the people in charge.  They didn’t like what Mad King George and Parliament were doing, and they especially didn’t like not being able to participate in the decision-making process.  They didn’t feel like their voices were represented. 

They had tried to work within the system, to no avail.  They wrote letters, they went to meetings, they begged and pleaded.  But their pleas were ignored, and they were threatened with punishment for not being obedient and loyal subjects.  They had been loyal all their lives, but now, finally, they said “Unity-Schmoonity!”

So these men met in what was called the “Second Continental Congress.”  In June of 1776, five of them were assigned to a committee in order to write up an explanation for their actions.  Thomas Jefferson did most of the work, but all five participated.  The committee presented this copy to the Congress on June 28, 1776.  The official title of the document was “A Declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress assembled.”

Then the entire Congress did some more revising and editing.  On July 2nd they actually voted and agreed to declare independence, but they hadn’t approved the actual wording of the declaration itself.   July 4th wasn’t a holiday back then, so on that day they met and voted to approve the text of the declaration.  (The actual document wasn’t prepared and signed until August 2, 1776)  If you have never read the entire Declaration of Independence, I urge you to do so.  Below are some excerpts.

What the documant did was to lay out in specific detail an explanation for Congress’ decision.  First they wrote an introduction, explaining the purpose of the document:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

They wanted the world to know they weren’t just a paranoid band of shrieking hold-outs.  They believed they had justification for their actions, and weren’t sore losers acting out of spite.

Next they cited their authority to take such action:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

This section, known as the “preamble,” is an assertion of what is known as the “right of revolution”: that is, people have certain rights, and when a government violates these rights, the people have the right to “alter or abolish” that government.  Substitute “party” for “government” and you’ll understand why these men are honorary PUMAs.

The next section of the Declaration is called the “indictment” because it lays out the specific charges against the king detailing how he violated the colonists rights and was therefore unfit to be their ruler.  After that is a section explaining the efforts they had taken to resolve the situation, and finally a conclusion where they actually “declare” independence.

Now there is plenty of legitimate criticism that can be made.  This group consisted only of white men, and many of them were slaveowners.  They weren’t interested in the rights of women or minorites.  As a matter of fact, many of them didn’t even think all white men should have the right to vote, they thought only white male landowners should have that right.

Many people, myself included, think the British government was actually quite reasonable in most of its actions towards the colonies.  They had spent a fortune fighting a war the colonists had started with the French and their Native American allies, and they thought the colonists should pay for it with taxes.

Not all colonists agreed with the revolt, including some that were actively opposed and some who didn’t care one way or the other because they didn’t want any government at all (Paultards and Perot supporters have been around a very long time.)

But these fifty-six men believed in what they were doing enough to put their lives on the line.  Benjamin Franklins line about hanging together or hanging separately wasn’t a joke.  If they were captured they would probably have been executed.  As for their sexism and racism, they were products of the time in which they lived.  They were among the most liberal thinkers of their day, even though compared with today some of the beliefs they held are abhorrent.

Don’t forget, this was a time when doctors were bleeding people with leeches to remove the evil spirits.  The idea these men pushed forward was extremely radical, although we take it for granted.  They believed they had the right of self-determination, and that no other person or deity could control their lives, except with their consent.  They were willing to die for the right to choose their own leaders, rather than accept someone they considered illegimate.

These men, like all PUMAs, were completely batshit insane.  They were fighting a battle they couldn’t win against an opponent that couldn’t be beat.  The British Empire was the richest and most powerful empire on Earth.  Their Navy controlled the seas, and their army was the best trained and equipped fighting force in the world.   General Charles Cornwallis was a smart and experienced military commander. (After Yorktown Cornwallis was transferred to India where he served two very successful terms as Governor General)

The rebels, on the other hand, had no money, and very little equiptment or support.  The lack of money, equipment, uniforms, and supplies as well as trained officers and NCO’s wasn’t a glaring problem because they had no military forces to use them.  Their entire “army” was little more than untrained militia experienced only at fighting Native Americans on the frontier, and their navy was nonexistent.  Sane people would have given up.  Rational people would have never even started fighting in the first place.

So as you watch the fireworks tonight, raise your glass and salute these fifty-six honorary PUMAs, and all PUMAs everywhere.

147 Responses

  1. Happy fourth everybody. GO PUMAS. I am one and so is my dear husband.

  2. “(Paultards and Perot supporters have been around a very long time.)”

    I’m not a Ron Paul man, but neither are his supporters wrong to reject the New World Order and call for a return to constitutional government.

  3. Bring it on. What the hell–what’s one more noose hanging over my head? I’ve got nothing more to lose except my vote, and that’s the one thing I’ll never give up because I OWN MY VOTE. So count me in. I am officially BATSHIT INSANE. Go PUMAs!!!

  4. I think that they would be proud of us.

  5. Hey, everybody–Sugar’s been working…pay her a visit when you have
    a chance (I’m not Sugar, just an admirer of her blog). She’s linked
    via justsaynodeal, too.

    http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com/

  6. Oh, come on — I think they were all just closet Tories trying to make Americans look bad. We know what cheerful ratfuckers those Tories were!

  7. I always enjoy any historical paper that contains the phrase “completely batshit insane.”
    But then, I’m just that type of PUMA.

  8. The American Revolution succeeded for one very simple reason: The rebels refused to give-up.

  9. Hey everyone– Happy 4th– I created a new video for The Denver Group

    Take a look.
    The Denver Group: Keeping the Democratic Party democratic

    http://comealongway.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/the-denver-group-keeping-the-democratic-party-democratic/

  10. A repost from early this morning…

    PUMA and the Spirit of July 4th
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6qnq4d

    A short passage from the Declaration of Independence should inspire PUMAs to keep fighting for democracy…

    It fits perfectly with the situation today…right down the description of Obama!

  11. I’m sure the english thought the american colonists were “low information” dead-enders..

  12. myiq2xu—I think they didn’t give up because they knew they were right

  13. I was dropping in just quickly to let you all know of my new video– I’ll be off now enjoying the 4th of July festivities– Happy 4th everyone! Night.

  14. Not giving up was a definite conscious choice for the strategists — Washington himself said that he realized early on that if they just kept it up, the British’d have to go away. Colonials warfare is like siege warfare; if it all holds out and no one comes in to complicate things, the colonists will win. If they are far away so that the fight is inconvenient as hell for the Powers That Be, so much the better.

    Washington was very well aware of it; he may have thought they were right, but he knew that winning was simply a matter of not believing you’d lost.

    Comvincing the troops was of course another matter …

  15. This is the first I’ve been online since yesterday.

    Some well-meaning but misguided family members thought I would appreciate being unchained from my blog portal and forcibly reacquainted with non-virtual reality.

    So they staged an intervention disguised as a BBQ and made me go have “fun”

    I just can’t convince people I that I actually enjoy being miserable.

  16. two of those men were my GGGG grandfathers and two were GGGG uncles, just hope they’d be proud of me as I am proud co them

  17. Gary,

    I guess the difference now is that the powers that be think we are old working class deadender women instead of deadender landowning men.

  18. Good Evening fellow PUMA$

    I actually tried to post most of this earlier, but the computer froze.

    Band Rolllllllllllllllllllllllllll –

    Gagal $20.08
    Indigo $20.08
    cackicoots $20.08
    Tucson Transplant $20.08
    Denise W $20.08
    Fran $20.08
    edgeoforever $20.08
    Shainzona $40.08
    ssmith $20.08
    Janis $50
    regencyg $20.08
    leslie former democrat $20.08
    madamab $20.08
    Joan $20.08
    DancesWithPumas $20.08
    Anee $20.08
    TexasDem $20.08
    revgrl $20.08
    dwwenz $20.08
    Jmac $20.08
    CB $100.44
    NH $20.08
    oldpro $20.08
    scranton $20.08
    tpt/ny $20.08 + $20.08
    Marla $20.08 + $20.08
    elizinsandi $20.08

    For a GRAND TOTAL of

    $1364.32

    Let’s keep it going! The night is young!

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rock!

    (Good to see 10% more have chosen to join us.)

    We will correct this injustice, and the perpetrators will be punished!

    President Hillary Rodham Clinton 2008

    Please say a prayer for our men and women in the military and their families that need President Clinton the most!

    Love you guys! I will check in later.

  19. Thanks for the great post, myiq2xu!

  20. Carol, You rock!

  21. Carol, Carol, here I am! You evidently missed my donations on an earlier post today:

    parentofed: $20.08
    parentofed husband: $20.08

    Hope you had a good time, family cookout,right?

  22. gch:

    I’ll bet they had a few second thoughts when they were freezing their buttcheeks off at Valley Forge.

    There will be many dark and gloomy days ahead. Courage isn’t the absence of fear, it is resolve in the face of it.

    We need to reinforce each other, and reach out to wannabe PUMA’s that think they are all alone. I think a lot of Hillary’s supporters initially were shifting to Obama because they believed the media and thought they couldn’t make a difference.

    That’s why PUMA has grown so fast out of nothing. We’re not changing people’s minds, they already agree with us. They are already PUMAs, they just don’t know it yet.

    That’s also why Obamanation is trying so hard to discredit us by claiming we are Republicans or racists. Those attacks are proof they are afraid of us.

    If we really were just a few dead-enders and a couple GOP trolls they would simply ignore us.

  23. “We hold these truths to be self-evident” Yes, Obama (or should I say Axlerod) — these are not just words but only because, as this excellent post points out, these men were signing their death warrant by putting their names to those words — they were not, like Obama just trying to get themselves elected for their own glory. (Same goes for the “words” of MLK — he put his life & freedom on the line to change the social consciousness of this country, not to win some votes). The fact that people let Obama get away with pretending his “words” are the same as their words aggravates the tar out of me. Thanks for pointing out what those “words” really meant.

  24. Check out this PUMA Declaration from NoQuarter site:

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/04/declaration-of-puma-objections/

    Happy 4th to all PUMAs!

  25. Missed Samantha’s dad and me, too. $20.08 times two.

  26. Carol, I apologize. I went down farther on an earlier thread, and I see you got me there. As long as I’m somewhere, I just want a really good total for our Gal Hill.

  27. BTW — count me in the roll call:

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
    Contact: Angela xxxxx

    Charlotte, NC

    Amount: $20.08

  28. EVERY time I feel beaten down, tired, scared, or just so sad I cannot lift my head I think DAMN no one ever said the fight was going to be easy. And every time I think of giving up I see Hillary at the unity farce and I channel my tears into anger that I translate into ACTION! PUMA and EVERY group dedicated to defeating Obama are the true feedom fighters and if we all KEEP fighting I think victory will be ours AND hers.

    I am counting the seconds until either Hillary is President or Obama LOSES….each victory will be hard won and sweet!

  29. “These men, like all PUMAs, were completely batshit insane.”

    Hee. I like your style, myiq2xu. Great post, thanks.

    Raising my glass! To the rebel alliance on this fine evening — onwards!

  30. Carol,

    Count me in. I doubled the donation because it’s so late.

    YOUR CONTRIBUTION RECEIPT:

    DATE: July 4, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
    AMOUNT: $40.16

  31. So is Hillary free now as was posted earlier.

  32. I contributed and posted it earlier, Carol.

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
    Contact: Janicen
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    VA
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Amount: $20.08

  33. Posted earlier … Clintons stated . 1.3 mil . Half a mil were PUMA’s If that is true. she should free of Obama and the DNC.

  34. where as that posted?

  35. Yes Barack.. words do matter… like the ones below…

    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! ”

    Freedom from Nobama or Dean or Pelosi or the other Mafia Mob bosses from the DNC.

    WE will not shut up and sit down!!!
    We will not “JUST GET OVER IT”.
    WE WILL OVERCOME!!!!
    GO PUMAS!!!!
    Hillary 2008!!!

  36. Carol, add me in, too.

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
    Contact: [Nadai]
    Raleigh, NC 27606
    Amount: $20.08

    And a Happy Independence Day to PUMAs everywhere!

  37. I see a pattern in BO’s flip flops this June. It seems that these changes in position (aka moving to the right) was decided long ago … one set of positions to set himself apart from Clinton and then moving past Clinton to the right for the GE.

    So many of these policy changes coming back to back in June might be part of the plan – to get the changes done with early – at a time when the majority of the electorate is not glued to their tv sets and not following the elections closely. With all of the flips done early on, he now has time to regain his saintliness leading up to November and focus on “the message” unhindered by inconvenient facts.

  38. Carol- Add my 20.08, posted it this morning…

  39. Hillary-zilla, Can you direct us to the link where you read that figure?
    I saw a thermometer at Heidi Li’s that showed 3 million was paid, and
    that might have been a week ago?

    How can we find out?

  40. myiq2xu,

    Thank you for this! I have never, ever lost sight of our founding fathers throughout this ordeal. Patriots. The word brings shivers and strength, even tears after too much scotch.

    I try to tell the current non-believers that I have broad shoulders and will stand in front of them (represent PUMA to those that have forgotten how to fight) until they have the courage to stand beside me. Not everyone wants to be called crazy. Even as a life-long stubborn ideaIist, I’ve never really grown used to it. But this isn’t an ideal-it’s the foundation of our Democracy, for chrissake!

    “Crazy is what you are if you are right too soon”. Was that you, Janis? Thank you to whoever gave me that. Now I have it as my musket.

    And yes, patriots + bat-shit crazy.

  41. I did my 20.08 this a.m.
    Then I did the 10.44

    and just for good measure I did the 5.44 to McCain

    And I put that Obama, Dean and Pelosi sent me.
    Got that Idea from a post somewhere and thought it kind of made the point. I do hope we find out how
    much we have accomplished with this “Independance Party”.

  42. PS…………… Carol? Truman, Quincy and I donated $40.16 this a.m.

  43. It was here today forgot which tread. looking now.

  44. Carol wha tis nice it that all over the country at bloggs in homes and on air people are caring enough to do something about our campaign debt…sorry fuzzy stayed so late at his brothers house but I needed to connect with my family again all anti-obama to the core most of them will vote McCain

    I am leaning but undesided what I will do writing in hillary is not and option here….and I Have never missed a general election or primary vote. For me an x-pre DADT Naval officer citizenship is not to be taken lightly.

    That is why I am here I have seen thru the fence the wicked face of dictatorship.I cannot on this holy ground abide the usurping of the democratic process, not in our America!

    Carol is the total keeping going well? I see you have 3 threads to keep up with. and in the last thread the Clinton to Obama suport is dropping…very good news looks like 9 million of us have not saddled up on the unity pony.

    great to be back among my friends-we shall all hang together here or we wll all hang seperately.

    fuzzybeargville

  45. Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
    Contact: Gary xxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Chapel Hill, NC 27517
    xxx-xxx-xxxx
    Amount: $100.00

    It felt really good to do that! When will we know if she is free??

  46. WooHooo000000000!

    janicen and Laney – I actually got you in on an earlier post this morning. (Probably on the Donna post). Thank you very much.

    Since the last post:

    samanthasmom $20.08
    samanthasdad $20.08
    angie $20.08
    Bonita $40.16 – Good Girl!
    Nadai $20.08

    Grand Total so far:

    $1484.80

    Can we get to $2000 ?

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rock!

    President Hillary Rodham Clinton 2008

  47. Micheal Varvel. Though for the (independents) day. time 1: something.

  48. “I have seen thru the fence the wicked face of dictatorship.I cannot on this holy ground abide the usurping of the democratic process, not in our America!”

    I swear, Fuzzy, you need to shout from a mountaintop! This is good stuff.

    I’ll hang with you anytime, from the branch holding the cuckoo’s nest:)

  49. Just donated $20.08 to retire Hill’s debt.

  50. Carol, I contributed $20.08 at 9:38 PM and then another $25.44 at 10:05 PM. The latter is my standard amount though I wish it could be more.

  51. Hillary-zilla, on July 4th, 2008 at 10:05 pm Said:

    Posted earlier … Clintons stated . 1.3 mil . Half a mil were PUMA’s If that is true. she should free of Obama and the DNC.

    I’m confused: I thought her debt was approx. $20 million?

    I sent in $120.08 yesterday. I can’t wait to hear that she is FREE FREE FREE! That will make her feel loved and appreciated. 🙂

  52. Joanie:

    Much of the revisionist history of the 1960’s and 70’s focused on the shortcomings of great people in history, like pointing out tha Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and may have fathered children with one (it may have been one of his close male relatives, rather that Tom himself) There were many people doing those revisions as a backlash to the Vietnam war and as part of the “counterculture” movement.

    They weren’t trying to “correct the record,” they were trying to talk shit about our nation’s founders in a smarmy elitist way. It was part of the anti-Americanism of the left that gave liberalism a bad name.

    Whe should all aspire to high ideals. But the fact that we fail to live up to those standards doesn’t devalue them, it devalues us.

    I think it is a mistake build up great people in history as people of superhuman abilities or morals. It makes it seem as if our leaders of today (and ourselves) are inferior and unworthy.

    Greatness is an accident. I remember reading that the definition of a hero is someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Our greatest Presidents rose to that status because of a great national crisis during their time in office. Lincoln in particular paid a terrible price to become great, his health and mental state were deteriorating well before he died.

    George Bush had the opportunity to be great but he squandered it. He does seem to be enjoying himself though.

  53. I contributed 20.08 at Hillary Clinton.com. Don’t know if that counts for your total or not. But, wishing you all a happy 4th.

  54. Puma’s who Donate rock I am here till midnight to watch our effort grow hillary’s independence and shrink our campaign debt…

    Joanie thank you-

    I can be a scary patriot I love my country and here I am surounded by those who worship the wisdom of men and women who willed this country to be all of you are hero’s of the revolution. IIt is I who am humbled to be in your company.

    I actually looked upon North Korea July 1988 before the Olympics in Soule Korea-it was frighting to see the goosestepping cult of personality of Kim il Sung. I feel that same possibility in the obamanation….
    fuzzybeargville

  55. Carol, This is addition to this the contribution i made this morning.

    I’m propelled by clueless statements like this one:

    “If he doesn’t pick her, a later stage of grief is depression and then acceptance,” Schneider said. “In the end I expect Clinton supporters will accept Obama, because they will listen to Sen. Clinton, who has said the stakes are too high for Democrats to sulk.”

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
    Contact: DancesWithPumas
    CA
    Amount: $20.08

  56. !! I made my contribution:

    Date: July 04, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
    Contact: katiebird
    Amount: $20.08

  57. You know, I signed that first PUMA piece in my full name so that Howard Dean could read it without his spectacles.

    I agree. These men are honorary PUMAS. I wonder how they’d feel about us rebelling to make a woman president?

  58. Someone make it clear to the MEDIA. We don’t want Clinton anywhere near that ticket.

  59. Looking back at that time, we should never have won….which makes me think that we Pumas are completely sane because we believe we are going to win this democracy fight and because history has a way of repeating itself.

    Happy Birthday Pumas and
    Happy Independence Day!!!

  60. Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
    Contact: Gary xxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
    Chapel Hill, NC 27517
    xxx-xxx-xxxx
    Amount: $20.08

    I did $100 earlier, but forgot the .08, so here’s a little more….I can’t believe how emotional that was…It made me cry a little….. 😦

  61. Please add $40.08 to total
    Donated 11:10 pm
    4 July 2008
    to link on home page
    lurker who supports the views
    of the Confluence

  62. gary have you and mawn rested up any? Was that Mawm on blog talk radio the otherday? calling in? you guys are weverywhere you have the presence of 10 puma’s each + four!

    I loved Gary’s last thread 46% and rising in the justsaynodeal to the unity pony!

    I am sorry that 32% feel they have to stay home and cannot partisipate in the process. I wish they would vote at least down ticket and citizenship is not a duty taken lightly. I hope we can get our girl back in the running.

    If the 32% cannot bring themselves to voting for mccain or third party and if like in florida thay cannot write hillary in? I wish we had a solution.

    fuzzybeargville

  63. danceswith…that statement really burned me up too. Schneider ends the article with another whopper….on bill clinton’s continued coolness to obama…

    “He needs to show he’s gotten over it,” Schneider said.

    so we all just need to get over it..sheesh these people don’t have a clue….

  64. M VIrginia….yeah thank you and come back and post we are the blogg of many voices…

    fuzzybeargville

  65. hillary zilla how you been? as always I am with you even to the convention floor in Denver(at least in spirit.)

    fuzzybeargville

  66. The parade of donations has been awe-inspiring.

    RonK (wrong!) :: myiq2xu (no kidding!), thank you for an inspirational post.

  67. fuzzy, we are about recovered from the trek to NH. I still have a ton of video to pour over, and I didn’t even get to the gay pride stuff yet. that wasn’t mawm on the radio, but I got interviewed by Abbi Tatton from CNN yesterday, no indication if that will go anywhere. You’ll love the video of Mawm from NYC gay pride. He marched down 5th ave from 51st st to 15th st with his puma painted shirt and protest signs, I got most on video. look for it sometime this weekend…We are going to start attending local obama events. there is one next weekend, a “gospel hour” where one can “sing the praises of Obama”–no lie, that’s what their official website says–I want to see how that group feels about gay rights….so we have much to do before we rent our PUMA trailer and head to denver.

  68. psst katie—its myiq2xu, ronk is great, but so is myiq 🙂

  69. garychapelhill, on July 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pm Said:

    “…that statement really burned me up to. Schneider ends the article with another whopper….on bill clinton’s continued coolness to obama…
    “He needs to show he’s gotten over it,” Schneider said.”

    Unbelievable!
    I stopped reading the article less than midway through … I’m glad I did too, otherwise I might have emptied my bank account.

  70. Has it occurred to Schneider that Bill Clinton simply finds, like the rest of us, that Obama completely lacks principles? Does it have to be that we are all merely pouting?

  71. (back to lurking)

  72. Big Dawg doesnt have to “get over it” you see when you are the only 2 time winner in 40 years you have earned the ability to give the finger toanyone who screws you and not have to say I am sorry.

    If Obama were smart he would crawl to Big Dawg say I am sorry and unworthy I with draw my nomination your wife is the real winner.

    that would be Obama telling the truth finally….

    fuzzybeargville

  73. Who is Schnieider? Is the the guy on CNN?

  74. I was kidnapped and forced to have “fun” so I missed the corrente PB 2.0 blog-o-rama yesterday. BTD was guesting over there too.

    I was reading the comments, and there is so much stuff in them that would make good post topics.

  75. Carol —

    Is your total just since this morning? I gave 20.08 at 1am last night (which you acknowledged then but not in the totals above).

  76. I maxed out but my significant and better other donated the $20.08

  77. ValHalla I gave my $ 44.44 for freedom @ 1216 EDT and she got mine good ol’ Carol was up last night keeping me company for a while I hope she got yours…

    fuzzybeargville

  78. Gary – wondeful post! Yes, the Founding Fathers were products of their environment- but they declared PUMA on King George & British Empire – and THAT’S WHY we can’t roll over & play nice when our Democracy is in peril.

  79. bboomer — bill schneider, he likes to do stories where he can talk to the audience like a 3rd grader. He likes to explain things, but is pretty terrible at it. Just another out of touch media elite..he wouldn’t know a PUMA if it bit him in the ASS

  80. SM, not mine, but I”m sure myiq will appreciate the sentiment.

  81. Cdalygo- your significant other is my current hero along with everyone else -Pumas who Give Rock

    OT did Donna B list hireheels on her list they will feel left out if she dissed them too! they are fine ladies and gents overthere and they deserve to be on her list too maybe we should start a petition.

    fuzzybeargville

  82. I want to say I enjoy hanging out here more than any other blog past or present.

    Even though the bouncers are strict about keeping trolls out, this place isn’t an echo chamber. We have polite discussions instead of endless arguments.

    I really got sick of the nastiness and rudeness at most of the old places I loitered in. Jeebus, if I wanted to fight all the time I’d get married again.

  83. Great post. I revere the founders, despite their warts, but I’m certainly aware of them. Nice way to give a balanced view. A considered view, if you will.

    Aside: Hey, are we leaving up our JSND Hillary donation links after today?

  84. gch:

    maybe KB and SM fell for the story that all PUMAs are the same GOP operative posting under different names.

    But then they would be us too, wouldn’t they?

    I’m having an identity crisis.

  85. SM got deedee’s email and i think she is ok for a republican-I loved her video. let her know she has a big fuzzy fan in Gainesville!

    Did you get to enjoy any of your day with your family?
    Just looking for generalities I know and respect your stealth mode because I live in florida too.

    fuzzybeargville

  86. myiq2xu,

    My college years were spent surrounded by that kind of revisionism, and the bile it brought up actually gave voice to the sense of patriotism I have so strongly today. I do agree regarding your definition of “Hero”. I just get Misty over the birth of our great Democracy.

    I also find it delightful that we PUMAs on our coalition blogs are probably some of the very few combing over the precise words of the Declaration today, making them our own. We’re Patriot Wonks! Not the typical 4th .
    I love living vicariously through the great minds here. Can’t say enough how honored I am to call this home.

  87. And I second that emotion, myiq. This is the first blog I found after I fled MyDD (The Last Vestige) when they put Josh Orton on the front page. This was mid-May. I keep coming back every day because it makes me think.

  88. Myiq, I’m so sorry. I don’t know how I miss attributed your post. It doesn’t seem possible. But, there is no denying I did it.

    (slapping face)

  89. Hi Sis! You did not do worse than me parading naked here this a.m.

  90. Either George Bush ordered the Pentagon to invade my neighborhood or the neighbors are setting off fireworks.

    It looks like one of those CNN newscasts from the reporters’ hotel roof during the bombing of Baghdad.

  91. Parading what?

    I miss a day and all the fun stuff happens.

  92. Just under the wire, my contribution!

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    XXXXXXXXX
    Amount: $20.08

  93. Mine too, Joanie. I recall in college having to tell the 65 year old head of the Berea College history dept about people like Eliza Pickney when he talked about agriculture. We still read historical anthologies whose introductions used the form “Mr. Jefferson, Mr. Adams, Mr. Clark” for men, and the offensively informal, “Mary, Elizabeth, Laura” for women. This was 1995, folks.

    One day, though, I took a peak at his notes on the lectern and discovered that they were dated the year I was born. I promptly switched majors to English. That was everything I needed to know. I’d come from a junior college where we had dynamic discussions about living history, and I was unprepared for that.

  94. myiq- This truly is the most comforting blog to hang out at. I don’t post to often, but i read it constantly. I find the regulars are all very witty and talented, including you… There is no fighting, but great conversations. I’m constantly shaking my head up and down in agreement with just about everything posted..
    I also have found it gives a great sense of strength. As soon as I start feeling as though we are loosing ground, I read and get re-energized…

  95. Annabelle,

    That’s truly sad.

  96. Off to fireworks, fellow patriots, countrywomen and men!

    See you in the a.m. Thank you for this day.

  97. I also love it because it’s got a fierceness and is utterly unpretentious.

  98. I told my kids I am going to Denver for the convention and they got upset. They said it could be dangerous.

    I told them – Good, it will be MY chance to stand up for my country, to stand up along side my parents and grandparents all the way back to Colonial times. I can stand shoulder to shoulder with them and the 56 Honorary PUMAs – what an honor, it makes me weep.

    And I can stand with all of you today, life seldom offers anything finer.

  99. Gary – I swear – myiq2xu is going to kill me.

    This is the second time this week I can’t read his name – it can’t be just the booze. Does dyslexia kick in after 30?

    My apologies myiq2xu!

  100. Hi Michael Fuzzybear! Dee Dee is pretty darn cool, she’s a commenter at Politico as GOP Latina (and she’s a force to be reckoned with), and I’m happy that we can dialogue and disagree without the politi-drama.

    Day has been a low-key event. Normally we go to the fireworks display down by Channelside/St. Pete Times Forum (formerly named the Ice Palace), but summer allergies are kicking me and my PUMA cub’s energy out today. We always get them together.

    How was yours, I know you are in Central FL somewhere, what city?

  101. {{SM}} I think I know just how you feel!

  102. Laney:

    I’ve been arguing about politics most of my life. Occasionally, I even knew what I was talking about. I could sit in a room full of conservatives and not be the least bit shy about being a flaming liberal.

    I have never seen anything like we had this year. Even during the Nineties when the GOP was foaming at the mouth 24/7 about Bill and Hillary it wasn’t this bad.

    And this year is was coming from “our side” I remember making a comment at Balloon Juice back in January that was mildly critical of BO Back then I hadn’t got acquainted enough with him to detest him and I still thought there must be something of substance about him.

    My comment was something to the effect that he was not a political outsider, he was a product of the Chicago machine. I don’t see anything outrageous about pointing out that a politician is a politician.

    Several comments in response to mine were just personal attacks on me. When I say personal attack I don’t mean “that’s a stupid idea” I mean “You’re a stupid motherf**ker.”

  103. Katiebird, awww! You are too kind. I think I need glasses or something.

  104. SM, (hanging head) I thanked Ron for the post….

  105. KB & SM: I’m not mad, just surprised, cuz there are several people in therapy trying very had to forget my name.

  106. Well, not only do I love your name but, you have a very distinct style and I’ve never confused you with anyone before. It was clearly a holiday brain lapse. And I’m really, really sorry.

  107. thank you all do we have total for today Carol or did i miss it up thread?

    fuzzybeargville

  108. Fellow PUMAS

    EinNC $20.08
    joaniebone (got all of you this morning on another post) Thanks so much!
    garychapelhill $100
    casey OR $20.08
    laken4 $20.08 + $25.44
    fif $120.08
    chay $20.08
    Dances $20.08
    Katie Bird $20.08
    garychapelhill $20.08
    MVirginia $40.08
    Valhalla got this morning on another post. Thank you very much.
    Cdalygo’s significant and better other $20.08
    Carolyn in PA $20.08

    Grand Total so far:

    $1961.56

    Yeepeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Who is going to take us over $2000?

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rock!

  109. iq, I agree. the thing that was so amazing and depressing this year was that the ugliness was from ‘our side’ – I honestly never thought we’d outdo the republicans at what they do so well. we’re even better at it, it seems. but I shouldn’t be saying ‘we’, I’m not part of that anymore, nor are most of us here.

  110. I really wish I could go to Denver, but I don’t think I can afford it. the last time I really wanted to go to a convention was in Chicago, and my parents wouldn’t let me. now it’s my bank account not letting me. it’s always someone or something…….sigh……….

  111. oops, sorry I missed 7/4 – I’m in central time, so I didn’t miss it here……

    Date: July 05, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
    Contact: kiki
    birmingham, AL 35215
    Amount: $20.04

  112. myiq2xu-

    I don’t comment here often, although I lurk religiously. I like your posts. We cannot afford as a nation to lose our history. And I worry that we are not passing that information along to succeeding generations. A few years back I was talking politics with a young woman who was just starting college. I described my parents as “New Deal Democrats.” The young woman had no idea what I was talking about. The phrase was meaningless to her. So, I explained the term, and she did know who FDR was, but the New Deal was news to her.

    I can’t remember a time when I did not know about history and politics. I grew up in a very political family, but I was also taught history, civics and US government in both grade school and high school. I grew up in Illinois. When I was in school state law required all 8th graders to pass tests on the US Constitution, the Illinois constitution and US flag history and etiquette. And we were tested again our senior year in high school. Classes in both American history and US government were high school requirements. This was all back in the fifties and sixties. Are students no longer required to study these subjects?

    This a a rather long way of saying “thanks” for your history posts. I await your next installment.

  113. right on kiki-fuzzybear is with you their democrat is just a check on my registration card I dont support the party anymore.

    fuzzybeargville

  114. carol we still have several time zones to go! lets keep the ball rolling…fuzzybeargville

  115. myiq- This is the part that is so very sad… Most of us Dems believe we watch out for each other, we are the higher ups, we’re for the commons. Its been so heartbreaking to see what has happened to the party, and frankly to Hillary. I’m not a Pollyanna, I know there is corruption in Politics, but what has happened to the Dem Party is horrible.
    This Puma momentum just shows how discontent the left minded, American people are.
    Your all great!!!

  116. Well said myiq2xu,

    When are we officially registering as an INDEPENDENT
    PARTY? The “Independent Puma Party”?

    From all that has transpired in the primaries and from what is being said by the “presumptuous nominee” (he has to “negotiate”with Hillary regarding her having her name in the first roll call in Denver! for heaven’s sakes), I do not think the Democratic Party will change its ways much if at all. They will drag on and pretend to “negotiate” changes just to kill time, even after the November elections. Year 2012 will be here and the Party will pull it’s tricks again. We will continue having caucuses, arguments over delegate apportionment due to minority geographical distributions, etc. Fraud again, the race card pulled again.

    How long will we allow ourselves be held hostage by fear of being accused of being “racists”, and allow the media’s mysoginist attacks fall on us with impunity?, without our leaders standing up for us? Their silence, while Hillary was being attacked by everyone, was deafening.

    We need a healthy alternative for a political party. A moderate, centrist party. A party that will run on Hillary’s best
    ideas. We can emphasize fiscal responsibility and still try to implement universal health insurance. During the primary elections, it would be “winner take all” style, for efficiency and transparency.

    Let’s do not waste our time and financial resources any more trying to reform the Democratic Party. Let’s continue building up the membership of the PUMA PARTY. Let’s help Hillary get through the convention in Denver {the Denver Group}. If Hillary is not the nominee, then will have the machine already running and will go full swing aiming for 2012 with Hillary Rodham Clinton at the helm. I wish I could
    say let’s aim for 2008, but I suppose, it would take time and money to get organized. However, if there are people who
    know how to do this efficiently and effectively, I’ll be all for it.

    It’s time for a third party. It’s time for a party that represents
    the best of the American ideals. IT’S TIME FOR
    INDEPENDENT PUMA PARTY!

    Here are the ABCs of political greatness:

    Abigail Adams
    Susan B, Anthony
    Hillary Clinton

    Go Liberty!, Go Hillary!

    A Puma.

  117. Hi all – I’m in for $25. Thanks for the wonderful post! 🙂

  118. fuzzy heading to bed good night all look forward to the final total…

    fuzzybeargville

  119. =============================================================
    YOUR CONTRIBUTION RECEIPT:

    DATE: July 2, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
    NAME: Dakinikat!!!
    ADDRESS: 9th Ward NEW ORLEANS!

    AMOUNT: $20.08

    ————————————————————-

    I was a bit of an early bird … but wanted to post it and my request on my blog …

  120. ok, this is just my opinion and it could very well be wrong, but I also went to school in the 50s and 60s, and we learned a lot of history. I actually went to catholic schools and everything had a little catholic slant. here’s what I think happened – people started realizing the history they’d been taught in school wasn’t always completely factual, it was whitewashed or whatever. so in typical ‘throw out the baby with bathwater’ fashion, instead of striving for accuracy and fairness, the subject of history simply became devalued. same with science, in my opinion. my daughter was in school in the late 80s, early 90s and the stuff they taught for history and science was absolute crap. my husband was always trying to unteach or reteach what she heard in school. eventually we just pulled her out of school and let her learn at home. that’s what all the right wing religious zealots were doing where we lived, but we did it for a totally different reason. they didn’t want their kids to hear about evolution, we wanted our kid to hear about EVERYTHING and make informed decisions. it worked out pretty well.

  121. What Schneider and the other stupid media pundits don’t realize is that the kind of coverage that Hillary and Barack received played a big role in the kind of people that decided to vote for them. As a result, their general guesses about what might happen overall given the way that people tend to behave has no real value.

    If you supported Barack, the media portrayed you as being incredibly hip, cool, smart, etc. Also, they portrayed you as being with the winner since they decided right after Iowa that HRC was dead meat. So, obviously this isn’t true in every case, but I would bet that people who tend to go with the flow were inevitably attracted to Barack’s campaign. In contrast, not only was Hillary beat up on daily, but so were her supporters. Her supporters were portrayed as bitter, racist, stupid, rural, nobodies who supported her only because they hate minorities. Either that, or they were shrieking older women…so for people to support her in the face of that kind of narrative, not to mention the fact that they kept saying her campaign had no hope, they have to 1) truly believe in her, 2) not mind being contrary. Thus, it doesn’t actually seem unrealistic that a significant portion of Hillary supporters won’t fall in line. Just by supporting her, they showed that they don’t worry about falling in line. Some obviously will support him, but I think the sharp contrast in media narratives accounts for a disproportionate number of independent minded people supporting her, which makes it less likely that we will all fall in line,

    I am only in my twenties, but from what I understand, there isn’t really a historical precedent for this kind of thing. No one knows what kind of impact the media’s psychological warfare had or will have, but I am willing to bet that it made it more likely that people who don’t feel the need to fall in line went for Hillary, and thus, you may have a greater percentage than expected by historical standards who will not fall in line.

    I hope that makes sense…it was rather confusing…

  122. Hello all. Have been entertaining my mother-in-law this week so have been “out of touch” and trying to catch up with posts.

    Please add the 20.08 contribution I made about 11:38 tonight.

  123. caseyOR:

    Our NCLB educational system is not geared to making our children think, it is designed to give them data they can memorize and regurgitate.

    They give them names, dates and events to memorize for multiple choice – scantron tests. But history isn’t just a bunch of data.

    Add to that the idea that we can’t ever teach kids anything controversial and that we need to instill them with patriotism.

    Lastly, consider who writes the kids textbooks and markets them to schools. If you wanted to sell voters on the idea that tax cuts increase goverment revenues, you wouldn’t want them to grow up being taught the truth.

  124. kiki-

    I, too, was in catholic school. And, yes, everything was a little catholic. But even in science, we were taught real science. There was no talk of creationism or intelligent design or whatever it’s called these days. Now Pope Benedict says he believes in intelligent design What happened to critical thinking?

    Citizens cannot exercise their rights and responsibilities in a vacuum. I am always appalled when reporters do their person in the street surveys about US history or the Bill of Rights, and no one knows anything. People can’t name the three branches of government. They don’t know the name of any of their own elected officials.

    Sometimes, at my most paranoid, I think it was all a deliberate move to dumb down the citizenry, starting during the Reagan years. People without information are much easier to manipulate.

    The question now is how to counteract that.

  125. myiq-

    What does NCLB stand for? Now that everything has been dumbed down, what do we do? How do we change it? Who decides what textbooks are written and purchased? How is that influenced?

    I grew up at a very patriotic time. We said the Pledge Of Allegiance, and then the Pledge to the Cross, every morning. Everyone’s father was a WWII vet. Are patriotism and critical thinking now considered incompatible?

  126. yeah Casey, that is the question. and I don’t think you’re paranoid.

    I love my co-workers, they’re awfully nice people, but I doubt most of them could name the three branches of government. they can, however, tell you way more than you would ever want to know about every contestant on American Idol.

    one young woman I work with, about two months ago, overheard me and another person talking about John McCain and asked who he was. seriously. when told he was a presidential candidate, she said “oh. I’m not really into politics”

  127. No Child Left Behind

  128. Thank you, myiq2xu. Your posts are so right on target and so inspirational. I thought the beginning of this campaign was one of the most exciting times of my life but I was wrong. Right now, this is the most exciting time of my life. The media kept saying that Obama was a movement but I never bought it. He was nothing more then corporate branding and propaganda. This, my friends, is a movement and I am so proud to be a part of it.

    Puma Power to the Peaceful

  129. Has David Axelrod (aka “Barry’s Brain” ) given any thought to what will happen when the siippy-kup kidz find out they aren’t really getting a pony?

  130. i’m sure he’s not worried about it. Where are they gonna go? really….. they say that to us, but I believe it is projection. They can’t go anywhere else, because at this point no one else wants them. Everyone wants us….funny how the more they accuse us of something, the more that is what they are themselves…. How are they going to come to grips that it is them who are the deadenders…

  131. Happy Independence Day!

    That phrase has more importance today than any time in recent history.

    Especially for those who were formerly Democrats: who either were thrown under the bus by the Chicago Combine, or those who voluntarily declared they were no longer Democrats on May 31, 2008 (or before or later) because the Democratic Party no longer represented the ideals on which it was founded.

    For all those who are either no longer Democrats or those who are hanging on to the shredded remnants of what was once the Democratic Party in hopes that they may realize in Denver the reconstitution of the party, one thing you have in common is your Independence.

    You have your Independence from the Tyranny of Oppression by the Will of the Party Elites.

    You have your Independence of Thought, Word and Deed.

    You have your Independence from Undemocratic Processes.

    You have your Independence to declare a New Union.

    No matter how you arrived at the point where you declared your Independence from the oppression of Donation Without Representation (a voluntary form of taxation) and Election Without Representation (called Voter Suppression), you are now part of a New Union.

    A New Union formed of Independent Thinkers who oppose the Party Elites in their call for Party Unity.

    This New Union recognizes that this so-called Party Unity is nothing more than a guise for; a Winning at all Costs Coalition that will therein destroy the once Noble Democratic Party.

    This New Union understands that real Unity is the shared idea that placing Country before Party is the truest and most noble voice of Independence and Democracy!

    I salute you all today, you New Union of true American Independents.

    Today is truly your and our Independence Day.

  132. myiq2xu, just my 2 cents, but anybody stupid enough to believe that a first-term, jr. senator from a Midwestern state could transform national government by inventing a new kind of politics based on “hope” and “change” deserves to be disappointed, disillusioned and dismissed.
    The sooner, the better.
    It’s virtually inevitable.

  133. hey, we got our very own hate blog!!!

    http://pumacentral.blogspot.com/

    I guess our trolls got together and took katie’s advice and started their own blog. The pics of the bloggers look just like the Obama staff members I’ve encountered. Maybe this is their summer camp project, bless their hearts!! They mention that they’re diverse (that means they’re not scary racists like us!) they don’t get much traffic 😦 so maybe some of ya’ll could give them some puma love….

  134. ya know, I thought I had noticed less of them around lately . I guess that’s where they went.

  135. On my way home to the States right now. This post brought tears to my eyes.

    Absolutely brilliant correlation between the founding Fathers and PUMAs.

  136. I’m taking the totals to the latest blog!

    We are still going strong – July 4th is not over for America until 8 am EDST!

    See you there!

    PUMA$ Who Donate Rock!

  137. “Crazy is what you are if you are right too soon”. Was that you, Janis?

    Twas indeed, and it’s a sad statement on our mutual species that it’s goddamned right.

  138. Just a clarification re: my comment above.
    When I said let’s not waste our financial resources on trying to REFORM the Democratic Party, I did not mean not donating towards helping Hillary retire the primary campaign debt or other important causes. I have contributed the maximum allowed already and am trying to contribute to other projects mentioned over at Heidi Li’s. My teenage son and I helped for a few days in the Texas campaign as well.

    I am primarily a “lurker”, but I have found encouragement
    reading the posts and comments in these pro-Hillary blogs.
    Keep up the god work. Thank you.

    Country before Party!

    Amazonia

  139. Hi all,
    I donated earlier today $44.44 and I gave 5.44 to McCain, too. I am maxed out now. Sorry that I couldn’t get on earleir. Hope everyone had a good fourth.

  140. They should be very afraid. We are gaining power and the deal’s not done.

    Puma Power

  141. After watching a show on Appalachia recently (called “Hillbillies” on the History channel)w here the Appalachians were the ones that turned the tide in the Revolutionary war. They were the army that had so much experience in guerilla fighting.

    Most of them supported Clinton, and I bet they still do. We want them on our side, that’s for sure!

  142. I was lucky enough to be born and raised in Philadelphia. To see and feel the history there and in the surrounding areas was wonderful. That gave me such appreciation of this country and what it cost to set it free.
    One of my best memories was seeing the tall ships come down the Delaware river on July 4 1976.
    If anyone has the time , make a freedom tour thru the east coast from Boston to the Carolinas. You will be amazed at how patriotic it makes you feel to understand the hardships and perseverance it took to make our country.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY

    PUMA RULES

  143. Fantastic Essay myiq! I love ready your stuff. Intelligent, informative and quirky.

    I have said repeatedly that PUMAcrats love their country and Obamacrats love their Obama. Being a patriot, I choose to be a PUMAcrat.

    If nothing else, the fact that the Democratic Party is following the geedee Bush “Free Speech Zone” bullshit should turn every decent freedom loving American into a PUMA.

  144. Sorry, that is supposed to be “I love reading you stuff”. Spell check doesn’t help a disorganized mind or a lack of coffee at this time of the morning.

    I often feel alone out here this time of day since I am an early bird and so many PUMAs seem to be night owls. Oh my, I’ve introduced avians into our feline group. NO EATING OTHER SPECIES! Except trolls of course but they are rodents not avians or felines.

  145. Yesterday, I noticed on the CNN comments quite a few were from Puma peoleThere were also several mean and nasty attacks by the obama supporters attacking the Puma’s. We need to stay on CNN and MSNBC and flood the comment sections. We need to continue to demand an open convention and demand that Hillary’s name go into nomination and it is brought to a vote. Further, we need stay on the DNC and the super delegates. The attention that Puma is getting has got to be making some people nervous.

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