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Ingrid Betancourt could swing the US Presidential Election

Some of you may be saying: “Is SM crazy? What does one thing have to do with the other?”

Well, the answer to the first question, yes, but not clinically as of yet.

Answer to the second question is: EVERYTHING.

But before that, a little background.

Ingrid Betancourt, is a Colombian senator who was kidnapped by FARC during her historic presidential campaign in February 2002 while in the process of negotiating peace talks with FARC officials near the town of San Vicente De Caguán. FARC is one of the world’s primary terrorist organizations which funds its operations through drug trafficking and money derived from ransoms estimated at $1 Billion a year. Roughly 8,000-15,000 active soldiers are enlisted in the guerilla army, including women and children. The UN condemns FARC for its human rights violations, terrorist activities and for being the largest user of landmines in the world, which Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont campaigned for US aid to treat landmine victims Over 700 hostages are currently held by FARC, targeting journalists, human rights activists, politicians and civilian dissenters. For more info about FARC and narco-terrorism, I highly recommend Gabriel Garcia Marquez’ non-fiction book, “News of a Kidnapping” (Noticias de un secuestro).

Ingrid Betancourt’s mother, Yolanda Pulecio, started a worldwide human rights campaign to gain support for her daughter’s and the hundreds of FARC hostages’ release. Since Ingrid is a Colombian-French dual citizen upon marrying her first husband Fabrice Delloye, Yolanda’s plea reached newly elected French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who in 2007, urged Colombian officials to release FARC commander Rodrigo Granda in exchange for Ingrid. Columbian officials released a number of FARC detainees but FARC would not release their star hostage.

In April 2008, news of Ingrid’s hunger strike and subsequent poor health reached Latin American media. Images of a tortured, Hepatitis-B stricken Ingrid mortified millions of Latin Americans both in North and South America, marked with hollowed cheeks and eyes, speaking about her continued hunger strike since her health was her only negotiating tool against the rebel army. Univision and Telemundo bumped up their coverage of FARC and Ingrid Betancourt’s failing health. France sent medical envoys to treat Ingrid, but to no avail. FARC promised to get Ingrid adequate medical care but Ingrid refused food and medicine. Ultimately, she ended her strike after pleas from her family reached Ingrid at her impenetrable hostage camp deep in the Amazonian jungle.

BUT EVERYTHING CHANGED WHEN – ta-ta-taaaaan (insert musical fanfare here) on July 2nd 2008, during John McCain’s Colombian stop on his US presidential campaign tour of Latin America, Columbian covert special ops teams disguised as FARC rebels rescued Ingrid Betancourt and 14 other hostages, including 3 American aeronautical defense contractors kidnapped in 2003 – all in the SAME DAY.

Gee, I wonder who helped the Colombian army with infrared space satellites than can see through the dense Amazonian jungle locate the band of hostages that contained Ingrid & the Americans hostages?

Meanwhile, CNN/Univision/Telemundo’s reporting the story as:

John McCain = Ingrid Betancourt hostage rescue.

Notice, the 3 American contractors are a sideline, an accessory, a little decorative item to the story.

WHY?

The symbolism of John McCain, a former POW himself/current presidential candidate and Ingrid Betancourt, a now former hostage who also was a presidential candidate is outstandingly monumental, especially to Latino voters back in the US.

It’s a signed, sealed, delivered love letter en español. Like when your dog brings your slippers without you asking for them and after such a kind deed, they look at you with the “I did this for you because I care about you” look in their eyes. Which always results in a Scooby snack & pat on the head. The “John McCain/IColombian Hostage Rescue” is Top-of-the-Line, World Class, 5-star pandering – and if you are going to pander to a particular voting segment, THIS is the way to do it.  I do not mean to make light of Ingrid Betancourt’s and the other hostages’ ordeal, it’s that Latin Americans have centuries ago learned the lesson that the “Gringo Yanqui government” doesn’t do anything unless it is to their complete advantage (think Panama Canal, Iran/Contra Scandal, Cuban Missle Crisis, Spanish-American War, 1965 Dominican invasion, et al).

If you think this theory is too convoluted, wait until John McCain and Barack Obama visit the League of United Latin American Citizens/LULAC Convention & Expo on July 8 (which I’ll write on more next week, Hillary Clinton will address LULAC on July 11th).

LULAC is oldest and strongest Latino rights organization in the United States, who recently threatened Barack Obama to define his stance on immigration or they will endorse John McCain, a longtime supporter of Hillary Clinton’s Comprehensive Immigration Reform plan.

Was the LULAC meeting next week also a “coincidence?”

I know this: On July 8, John McCain will be given a hero’s welcome at LULAC. But if Barack Obama doesn’t bring Selena or Celia Cruz back from the dead, he’s pan tostado.

¡Que viva los PUMAs!

(Long live PUMAs!)

133 Responses

  1. Very intersting! thank you for posting this.

  2. interesting theroy! thanks for posting 😀

  3. “Matthew 25 Network PAC Hits Christian Radio with Pro-Obama Ad as Christian Conservative Leaders Decide to Support McCain”
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/47q9vl

    Oh, boy…religion all the time…what issues will be overlooked by the barrage of religiousity??

    But it looks like McCain now has some big hitters from the formerly disgruntled Christian leaders on board…another thing now going for McCain…

  4. Pan tostado! Heh.

    I’ll not lie, since I no longer have an active dog in this race, I’ll likely not pay any attention to them and wait till July 11th to hear Hillary.

    Great post. By the way, y’know people are drawing parallels between Ingrid and Hillary. You know they are. I am. The maverick saved the lady. Ah the imagery.

  5. Interesting, I have been somewhat surprised by all the recent polling that shows the Latino community going heavily for Obama, I would have expected a more even split between Obama and McCain. SM, what is your take on this? I know polling has serious accuracy issues, but it is hard to imagine that it could be distorted THAT much, McCain is barely hitting 30 percent!

  6. No, I seriously doubt this. I don’t doubt that Colombia and France can easily politicize a situation, but to believe this would help McCain in a big enough way to swing the election is a bit much. And I watched the coverage (primarily on Univision) and I don’t see how it strongly benefited McCain, especially since so many Latinos–particularly those who are foreign-born–are naturally suspicious of US government policy as you yourself mentioned.

    On LULAC: I’m surprised more Latino organizations aren’t at least withholding endorsing Obama since the man has no actions to back up his rhetoric, which is largely empty anyways (Not to mention, he is incredibly arrogant in dealing with Latinos; remember that Las Vegas debate where he replied to how he would win us over with, a laugh and “Latinos love me!”). McCain, at least, took serious flak from his own wretched base for leading the charge on immigration reform last year. No, not every Latino cares about illegal immigration, but it was about so much more than that: it was about standing up to the nasty, racist undertone of the opposition (Think: “These Latinos are taking over our culture!”).

  7. Without in any way diminishing the ordeal of Betancourt, someone at RD recently remarked before the Unity rally that the evil empire has kidnapped our queen, or something like that.

  8. LMBO @ “But if Barack Obama doesn’t bring Selena or Celia Cruz back from the dead, he’s pan tostado.”

    SM, you are an absolute gem. ¡Muchisimas Gracias, mi amiga, mi vidita! 🙂

  9. JJ,

    I’m not SM, but I really do think they’d distort that badly. I just don’t buy that Latinos are going for him that heavily. Like I’ve said it could be me in denial but that’s just not the on-the-ground sense I get.

  10. JJ, what Regency said, (hey girl!) PLUS I’d be VERY interested to see what polls will say after July 8.

  11. OT: I know you all know, but once more with feeling

    People have been asking what they can do, and want to be more grassroots. More efforts are coming up, but right now there are two things that a few lists really want to promote.

    INDEPENDENCE DAY……..PLEASE SHOW YOU ARE AN INDEPENDENT, FREE TO VOTE YOUR MIND, AND YOU SUPPORT AN INDEPENDENT WOMAN LIKE HILLARY. We don’t want her to rely on THAT man.

    1) $20.08 on July 4th.. please use Dr. Heidi Li Feldman’s link (see her at Heidi Li’s Potpourri at word press if you don’t know her, most of you do know who she is– the great actual law professor and Hillary supporter/fundraiser extraordinaire.

    Heidi’s link:
    https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/form.html?sc=3200

    2) JSND has created a radio show and we are trying to spread the word,

    tonight at 8PM EST Darruagh Murphy of PUMA PAC will be on, please encourage all to listen, and people can call in as well, the number is on the link:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT

    Thanks, and please feel free to post this elsewhere, wherever you travel. These two messages have to get out today!

  12. Edwardian – ¡gracias!

    It’s going to be REALLLLY hard for barck to walk into LULAC without a “prize.”

  13. SM, hey hun!!!

    Are the scorpios still stinging like I recall? I still do.

  14. RegencyG, you mentioned parallels, yes, Ingrid is the Colombian Hillary Clinton in many ways.

  15. I am sorry to disagree with you here. I have been reading the Spanish language newspapers and my impression is just the opposite. I read in El Pais, a few days ago an editorial from a Columbian Journalist, who in no uncertain terms said, that the United States Presidential candidates (in this case, McCain) should not underestimate the intelligence of Columbians or for that matter Latin Americans, since they are well aware that “Yankees” are willing to use this event as a way to pander to the latino vote back in the states or to garnish favor while pushing treaties and agendas that mainly benefit American corporate interests. Believe me Latin Americans are not going to get confused about McCain’s pandering. Not there and not here.

    On a more personal level as a Latin, I take offense at the patronizing idea that the US did anything to help release these hostages. If they did anything it was too little too late. In fact, it was Sarkozy immediately when he took office that he promised to bring Betancourt’s release or rescue. Research Le Monde for that article. Le Monde, El Mundo and all of Latin America have been following this for years. FARC is no one’s friend but neither is the US when it comes to Latin America. What Bill Clinton’s fragile built although a friendly and fragile bond was completely destroyed by Bush. That has to be repaired first before we come kissing your hems again! If that’s what we have to do to keep your marines out of our back yards.

  16. SM – where’s you faith? Don’t think Obama can resurrect Celilna? I bet some of his followers do.

    That was a very informative interesting article. LULAC sued Texas over the caucus. It didn’t go anywhere but I’m not so sure they’re happy with the big O.

  17. SM,

    Thanks for another great post! I know almost nothing about this. I should read Marquez’ book. I’m looking forward to more like this. Also want to see your response to click212, whom I don’t recognize–maybe I just missed previous comments.

  18. Click212 – “On a more personal level as a Latin, I take offense at the patronizing idea that the US did anything to help release these hostages. ”

    That’s precisely what the US Media, both English and Spanish language Media, are doing. They are driving the”McCain helped free Ingrid” narrative to the bone.

    Republicans (especially Dubya) want to take full advantage of the Betancourt release, without mentioning that FARC was infiltrated with undercover Columbian agents for years.

    Did France help? Absoltely and they have for years. DId the US? Sure, for about 20 seconds worth AND ONLY BECAUSE McCain was going to make a pit stop. My post mostly referred to the symbolic pandering and tie it to LULAC’s event next Tuesday.

  19. True, yes. Also a very bad idea. *shrug*

    It’s too transparent — and it IS objectifying to the Latin voter. Just toss a bit of marketing at `em and they’ll fall in line. It sounds too much like having the Baby Jesus make some nice noises about women and we’ll fall in line.

    If McCain wants to appeal to Latino voters, he needs to do what Hillary was doing. Talk about issues that matter to them, which are the same issues we all care about. Healthcare (a bust for him), gas prices, food prices, immigration, etc. Leave the pandering to the assholes on the other side.

  20. SM —

    Wow, thanks for connecting the dots so clearly here. Excellent post.

  21. Jmac – HA!!! How can I forget, Obamessiah can do all!

    Boston, hi!!! I was answering Click212 while you posted – synchronicity.

  22. Great points, SM. You’re absolutely right, of course. And pandering to Latinos is the right move for McCain to make.

    All that said, can someone point Riverdaughter to this post of mine at Peacocks and Lilies? The Revolution Will Be Downloaded

    I’m trying to organize a mass posting of the revised Declaration of Objections for the 4th of July. I want to know if she would be interested in posting it here. No attribution necessary, since this is a community document. I just want to help build the movement, and make the world try to understand us.

    If anyone is interested in posting the Declaration to their own blog, please contact me at peacocksandlilies@gmail.com.

    Thanks, and sorry for the interruption.

  23. OT – Riverdaughter, I wanted to let you know that when I was surfing around this morning, I ran into a site that seems to have just grabbed all the posts and threads from Confluence and copied them to their site unattributed. I’m not talking about linking quotes and a few paragraphs, as most bloggers do. They’ve picked up the entire posts and threads. And in their right sidebar, they have links to Porn TV. I have a feeling that they weren’t given permission to do that by you. Here is the link to their site:

    http://toptype-net.blogspot.com/2008/07/confluence_03.html

  24. Thanks for the read, I certainly had not put that together. I only hope it works for McCain. At least he actually delivers something other than words. Of course one can ask why it wasn’t done before now.

  25. I’m really bugged by the “getting those people over there to join US” attitude that I’m seeing here. How do we get “them” to join “us”?

    They ARE us. Period. Let’s drop this way of talking about this whole issue and thinking about it. The event, if handled well, could be of benefit to McCain — but the belief that it will help sell “our” side to those people who need to be convinced over there is bothersome to me. I don’t feel like hearing that same “trousers and bibles to the natives” crap that the limousine liberals have thrown at the people in my economic stratum get thrown around here. Let the Obamabots reduce people like that. That’s not what we’re here for.

  26. I agreed with click212 earlier but my comment is still stuck in moderation. I wrote the “r-word” which must’ve triggered it all.

  27. I don’t know if Backtrack O. has any other game plan besides repeating Hope & Change over and over again, or flip flopping like beached tuna to please every group.

    It’s quite a pathetic show for the HISTORIC presumptive nominee to be honest.

  28. Janis – this is what the US gov’t does, particularly when controlled by Republicans:

    Having the skill, manpower, technology and money to solve A LOT of problems, they let the whole world fall apart until it is advantageous for them to so.

    They could have helped the Colombian Army a LONG TIME AGO with satellite pictures of the hostage hideout where the 3 Americans & Ingrid Betancourt were held. They waited 6 years!!!

  29. Davidson – I took it out of moderation.

  30. I don’t really care about the policy behind this, I’m talking about the mentality of marketing it to “them.” Those people who aren’t us. Over there. With their differences.

    It’s the mindset I’m seeing in a lot of commenters. It’s bothering me.

    Stop saying that Latino voters are “them.” So talking about “them” as if they aren’t HERE. As if they aren’t US. Just stop it. Now.

  31. How about this for an idea? Instead of posting about this rescue, long overdue for this poor woman, as a way to get “them” over “there” to recognize that WE’RE RIGHT, how about we post and say, “This just happened. Hispanic or Latino PUMAS, what’s your take?” Not even “How can we get your less enlightened family members to get on board,” just “What’s your take?”

    How about we ASSUME that “they” are “us?” Instead of talking about people who are here reading and participating as if they aren’t even here? Talking about someone in the third person as they are standing right there is RUDE.

  32. Davidson – rookie blues – I took out of moderation but now it’s disppeared some where – let’s see if WordPress will make it appear soon.

  33. LULAC was present in D.C. and asked that the DNC TO COUNT THE VOTES….GO LULAC! At least this organization can see that not counting the votes sets a tragic precedent that will come back to bite us in our tucus and that it goes against every Democratic principle and the primary one of ONE PERSON ONE VOTE.

    I look forward to your report and the political view of Latinos having women as presidents and presidential candidates! Ariba!

  34. Janis, you and I normally agree, but are we supposed to ignore the fact that so many of “them,” whomever “they” are, generally self-identify as “other?” I mean, latinos and blacks both have done a lot to generate a separate identity for themselves, and for good reasons sometimes. Those identities are created for the express purpose of celebrating their differences. I guess I just don’t understand your complaint?

  35. Okay, I’m understanding better with that last comment. I’m listening.

  36. Cognitive Dissonance,

    I clicked on the link and my hometown appeared in a sidebar. That seems like a bit of an invasion. I wonder what it’s about?
    I’ll send this to RD, KB, and RonK.

  37. annabellep, why do we assume “they” aren’t here? Reading this? That they can’t be asked for their opinion out of the gate, no matter how they identify themselves separately or what?

    They’re right here, reading and in our lives. Standing at our elbow. Why not just effing ASK instead of talking about them as if they aren’t even here?

    I’m not arguing freaking abstractions, here. I’m saying that yall are making an unwarranted assumption that there are no Hispanic or Latino readers right now, right here. We’re all acting as if we’re a bunch of white people who have to “reach out” to people … who are right at your elbows, reading along with the rest of you.

    Drop the politics of identity, turn around, and talk to the person sitting next to you.

    We can’t see who’s in this living room we’re created for ourselves, so we’re assuming that there are none of “them” here. They’re here. Try addressing them directly.

  38. ananbellep, gotcha … Just read your comment as well. 🙂 It’s like playing voicemail tag, I swear …

  39. Janis – if I take you correctly, we are both on the same page.

    How about this for an idea? Instead of posting about this rescue, long overdue for this poor woman, as a way to get “them” over “there” to recognize that WE’RE RIGHT, how about we post and say, “This just happened. Hispanic or Latino PUMAS, what’s your take?” Not even “How can we get your less enlightened family members to get on board,” just “What’s your take?”

    We already know this is happening in the Latino community – in fact it’s been the lead story on Univision and Telemundo all day yesterday & today.

    What I found extremely disturbing is the media’s take on John McCain’s AND the US gov’t’s role in Ingrid’s rescue . It is reported that there was US intelligence shared with the Colombian army but no manpower, whihc in my mind triggered “they gave them infrared satellite imagery” but don’t you think the US could have helped Colombia A LONG TIME AGO? Of course they could have helped them.

    But nooo, it was decided precisely when John McCain visited Colombia, that all this was going to go down. WHY? LULAC convention next week.. Simple as that.
    Vote pandering.

  40. BB and Cognitive Dissonance:
    I did the same thing as BB, same thing happened (I’m slow on the uptake, I wasn’t sure it was me … )

    I noticed it spawned a bunch of Tacoma related pop-ups too.

  41. Janis, BTW I’m a Latino woman, in case you didn’t know.

  42. SM77, pl. allow me to go OT — there is an audio interview of Heidi Li and Marc Rubin (Denver group) with Bud White at NQ — a must listen.

  43. Woman Voter – We have a good number of current & former latin American female presidents. I’ll see if I can dig up any interesting artcles on that this weekend. I know that the point has been made over and over of, why, if in all these various countries there have been women presidents, why not in the US yet?

  44. sm–what is the name of the woman who won the chilean presidency? And I think either nicaragua or honduras has had a woman president too…and then there is argentina….it seems pretty common, especially for a culture with the whole “machismo” stereotype. I also loved the photo of the woman who is Spain’s defense minisiter as she inspects the troops….

  45. I’m so freaked out about what’s going on in this thread.

    Them? They? We?

    *confused*

    I guess I gave up the politics of identity a while ago. They only thing I claim now is under 35, bisexual, and female. I’ve literally forsaken ethnicity for the time being. I don’t like what it does to any debate I have now.

  46. Annabellep, I just read your “Revolution will be Downloaded” and I look forward to your Declarations of Objections at midnight!

  47. Since sm77 is a Latino him- or herself, does that change things then? I would guess it does. But I don’t know anything for certain.

    Also, did any of the admins pick up on my message to Riverdaughter? Can we get it to her?

  48. Thanks sm! I guess that answer my question! Ha!

  49. GCH: Michelle Bachelet or something similar.

  50. Didn’t I read somewhere last year that a laptop was captured from some So. American gorillas terrorists that had some sort of assurances from Obama?

    What a link if true.

    McCain defeats the gorillas and frees the hostages while Obama is make treaties with gorilla terrorists.

  51. OMG, I’m pissed off again at watching the Women Leaders of the World video. Hillary is at least as smart as any of those women. What the hell is wrong with the leaders in this party?

  52. Hey Gary!

    Chile: Michelle Bachelet Jeria is currently in office

    Argentina: Cristina Fernández Wilhelm de Kirchner – currently in Office

    Panama: Mireya Moscoso Rodrígez, 1999-2004

    Nicaragua: Violeta Chamorro -1990-1997

    There’s a great listing from all over the world here:
    http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Presidents.htm

  53. annabelle: I’m sure she’ll see it once she gets the chance.

  54. SM, another brilliant post. I am so delighted that you are posting regularly here now. After your first two posts, I will now be clicking on the confluence website keeping my fingers crossed that I will find one of your astonishingly smart posts up for everyone to enjoy.

    You mentioned the Gacia Marquez non fiction work. I want to bring an extraordinarily lucid and perceptive set of fictionalized works about FARC to your attention. Louis de Bernieres (who is most famous for his book Correlli’s Mandolin) wrote a series of three books about the situation in Colombia and FARC. They are three of my favorite novels and I return to them again and again. If you are interested, the titles of the books are: The War of Don Emmanuel’s Nether Parts (1990)
    Señor Vivo and the Coca Lord (1991) and The Troublesome Offspring of Cardinal Guzman (1992)

    Each novel takes place in Colombia and examines the FARC problem from three different perspectives. I highly recommend them to you. They are all funny but quite tragic at the same time.

    By the way, de Bernieres (who became quite wealthy after Correllis Mandolin was turned into a movie) is English by birth but spent much of his youth living in Colombia and Argentina.

    Any way, just thought you might find this interesting. Thanks again for your enlightening post.

  55. Thanks sm. I’m just worried about her catching it before the July 4th holiday ends. It’s time sensitive…

  56. @sm77: Chamorro may have been Nicaragua’s first woman president but God was this woman awful for the rights of women and girls. She rolled back many of the hard-earned gender advancements and rights.

  57. Wig wag: Thank you so much!

    I’ve been meaning to Louis de Bernieres’ books and I always forget – thank you for reminding me! I know that “The War on Don Emmanuel’s Nether Parts” was a big book for him.

    Thank you for sharing!

  58. Davidson: Women tend to be women’s worst enemies. Shame, that.

  59. Davidson, very true. I know that neighboring El Salvador, it’s illegal to get an abortion and there are literally “abortion police” who have the right to inspect women you-know-where. It’s terrible.

  60. SM–would corazon aquino count? I’ve always been curious about the latino-filipino connection.

  61. […] PUMA thinks that the amazing rescue of the people who had been held in the jungles of Columbia for f…. […]

  62. Bostonboomer – I clinked on the link also and my small town was the first link in the sidebar. Freaked me out.

  63. OT, just watched Obama speaking about military and he was stumbling for words. He just has a very difficult time putting together a coherent presentation, w/out numbers or facts, on a particular topic. What is up with this guy? Why are we in such a terrible position?!! Oy vey.

  64. Is it just here or is the blogosphere slowing down everywhere? Maybe it’s the holidays. Actually, that makes perfect sense.

    I’m gonna be miserable until after July 4th.

  65. Annabelle,

    RE: The Revolution Will Be Downloaded:
    Thank you so much for this! I do not have a blog, but a group of activists here in Seattle, and I will spread this everywhere!

    I keep saying this, but I am beside myself bursting with pride. It is such an honor to part of this community of true patriots.

  66. JMac, what link?

  67. Gary,

    Don’t know if you got this the other day. I checked it out last night and it looks really good, and way better than Movie Maker. Check it out, there’s free trial too.

    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/vegasfamily.asp

  68. Gary, that’s interesting with Corazon. The Phillipines were colonized by Spain for 400 years, yet they speak Tagalog & English but mostly all Philipinos have Spanish names & surnames.

  69. regencyg – at 2:14 Cognitive Dis. links to a site that’s copied RD posts. Don’t link to it! until someone checks it out. It’s linked to porn.

  70. I have heard really bad things about el salvador…basically that it is a “gang state” –literally run by gangs. At least that’s what I heard from a lot of my salvadoran students when I taught in DC.

  71. Clever post-thx. Looks like Sarkozy is jumping onto that particular bandwagon too.

  72. Thanks Joanie! I’ve seen many of your comments here, so I take that as a real compliment!

  73. Gary – they are right and a lot of those gangs have infiltrated various countries, including the US. It’s some scary stuff.

  74. Laurie, Sarkozy deserves MUCH more credit than the US media is giving him.

  75. Janis,

    Thank you, you got it and I appreciate it. I also appreciate the people on this blog. It is intelligent, civil and generous in offering information, insight and understanding. Truly democratic.

  76. Clcik 212- one question, would it have made you more comfortable if I had mentioned in my post that I am also a Latin woman?

  77. SM – What’s Segolene like? I heard she’s a fashion icon but was she a real contender for the french Presidency?

    ~~
    By the way, hey, can any of you wonderful folks direct me to some links of events of intimidation or violence or vandalism from Obama folks towards Clinton folks? I think that needs to be compiled and disseminated to the media pronto.

    Also, if you haven’t please pop over to read the pre-draft of annabelle’s Declaration of Objections. It speaks to us. Give her some feedback so that it’ll be perfect when she publishes the final copy tonight.

  78. Sorry, Declaration of PUMA Objections. It’s remarkable.

  79. Wow RegencyG – you stumped me. Was she the one running against Sarkozy and she was a liberal, which the media criticized (when don’t they)?

  80. Regency – PUMAPac’s Darraugh Murphy has been harassed by Fake Feminist Amnada Marcotte and of course Gary & Mawm’s videos from Unity.

  81. Nah. That’s my reply. This won’t have any traction in the campaign at all. McCain can’t invoke the connection without being mocked. And if there’s one thing about Hispanics in the US, it’s that they are uninterested in the home-country issues of other Hispanics. So whatever you think about who *should* be elected, or who’s *likely* to be elected, this isn’t going to have a whit of importance, even in Florida…the only swing state that has actual Colombian-Americans in more than trivial numbers.

  82. Regency,

    That’s a draft, The final draft will be posted on blogs starting tonight at 12:01. If you have a blog, please post it and leave it up all day tomorrow. You can snatch the final copy at my blog, Peacocks and Lilies
    , or by e-mailing me at peacocksandlilies@gmail.com. If you e-mail me before midnight, I can get a copy to you sometime after 10:00 tonight.

    Also, see Peacocks and Lilies
    for the intro to the final draft and a call to action on the Declaration.

    And thanks for posting the link!

  83. Crap, I meant, see
    The Revolution Will Be Downloaded for the into and call to action. Sorry!

  84. Rich in PA, on July 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    And if there’s one thing about Hispanics in the US, it’s that they are uninterested in the home-country issues of other Hispanics.

    I thoroughly disagree with that statement. Otherwise, Univision/Telemundo wouldn’t be in existence today.
    LULAC would not have had the huge success it did with the Immigration marches all over the country.

    We do fight, have our little rivalries amongst each other, but there are certain issues that do bind us together, namely the situation in Colombia.

  85. HELP NEEDED!!!!!!!

    Please spread the word…..

    PROTEST OBAMA by holding up and shaking your key rings at his rallys.

    Recently Obama has been disparaging McCain’s service. McCain’s medical records said that he would get scared at the sound of keys rattling for years after his release from Vietnam because he would hear that sound as the guards came to torture him.

    Lets show the world the difference between Mc Cain’s type of service to our country and Obamas. Lets make Obama afraid of the key rattle.

    PLUS they can’t take our keys from us at rallys like they can our signs and they can’t spot us ahead of time. Also the symbolism will capture the heart of the media

  86. Sorry to be OT, but I wonder what the fauxgressives are feeling right now about Obama’s statement that he will “refine” his position on troop withdrawal after he visits Iraq?
    “And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”

    The full story is on the NYT online front page. Sorry for no link, I’m a little link-challenged.

  87. End of the week day before the Fourth of July holiday = news dump? Perhaps Obama thinks few will notice?

  88. Janicen, “refine” = prepare for another flip-flop.

  89. By George, I think you’ve got it! Yes, I had thought of McCain being there just at the time. It indeed fell under the “things that make you go hmmm” category.

  90. sm77, on July 3rd, 2008 at 4:05 pm Said:
    Wow RegencyG – you stumped me. Was she the one running against Sarkozy and she was a liberal, which the media criticized (when don’t they)?

    Yeah, she ran against Sarkozy. She got caught up in some non-existen scandal that eventually cost her the election I believe. It would make sense to google her, would it?

    Anyway, from those more involved I’ve heard she’d a fashion maven in France. She did for fashion what Hillary’s done for pantsuits.

  91. SM, I didn’t — and I’m glad you said it. It concerned me the way that people were doing the “them” thing.

  92. D g,

    the fauxgressives will note it when they get over their Independence hangovers.

  93. Somebody get me out of moderation!

  94. Charles, I saw your coverage of the rescue – it’s fantastic. Like many people all around the world, we celebrate with Columbia the release of Ingrid.
    Thank you for coming over & commenting!

  95. So on July 3rd, one of the slowest news days of the year, Obama announces a flip flop on pulling out of Iraq. First he flip flops on campaign expenditure reform, then he flip flops on FISA, then he endorses (and promises to expand) the Bush faith based initiative. And now the biggest flip flop of them all, announced just when he thinks no one is around to pay attention; the flip flop on Iraq! Pull out in 16 months like he promised; not so much. Pull out one or two brigades a month; sorry PUMAs, he’s changed his mind.

    After this huge flip flop, get ready for the grand daddy of them all. Mark my word, before this election is over, he will come out in full support of partially privatizing social security.

    Obama is a horrible liar. This from today’s NY Times:

    Barack Obama’s biggest flip flop yet. Now he says pulling out of Iraq in 16 months? Maybe not so much.

    First he flip flops on campaingn expenditure reform; then he flip flops on FISA; then he endorse and promises to expand the Bush faith based initiative and now he reconsiders leaving Iraq. This proves it. It is not unreasonable to assume that McCain will get us out of Iraq faster thaan Obama. Exactly how much evidence do you Obama supporters need? The man you have supported in a liar. Yes, a bigger liar than Clinton and a bigger liar than McCain. Clinton and McCain lie like all politicians do, Obama takes lying to a new level. Why can he get away with it? Could it be that too many of his supporters are merely acolytes?

    For his next flip flop he’ll need something really, really big. My guess is that he will announce that he favors partially privatizing social security. I can’t wait to hear how Obama apologists explain this one away. That is, if they have the guts to try. This from today’s NY Times:

    July 3, 2008, 2:28 pm
    Obama Might ‘Refine’ Iraq Timeline
    By Jeff Zeleny

    FARGO, N.D. – Senator Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot sustain a long-term military presence in Iraq, but added that he would be open to “refine my policies” about a timeline for withdrawing troops after meeting with American military commanders during a trip to Iraq later this month.

    Mr. Obama, whose popularity in the Democratic primary was built upon a sharp opposition to the war and an often-touted 16-month gradual timetable for removing combat troops, dismissed suggestions that he was changing positions in the wake of reductions in violence in Iraq and a general election fight with Senator John McCain.

    “I’ve always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed,” he said. “And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”

    As he arrived for a campaign stop in North Dakota, Mr. Obama told reporters on Thursday that he intended to conduct “a thorough assessment” of his Iraq policy during a forthcoming trip to the country. He stressed that he has long called for a careful and responsible withdrawal of American forces, but he declined to offer a fresh endorsement of his plan to remove one to two combat brigades a month.

    “My 16-month timeline, if you examine everything that I’ve said, was always premised on making sure that our troops were safe,” he said. “I said that based on the information that we had received from our commanders that one to two brigades a month could be pulled out safely, from a logistical perspective. My guiding approach continues to be that we’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable.”

    He added, “I’m going to continue to gather information to find out whether those conditions still hold.”

  96. SM,

    Well, hell. Ségolène Royal is Hillary Clinton.
    Read this and tell me you’re not annoyed: Gender and Politics in France: Ségolène Royal and the Socialist Party.

  97. Are we going to talk about The Penelopiad today? Or did I get the date wrong? I’m running out of computer time. Will probably miss out if the discussion starts, unless I come back later tonight, real late because I have some appointments I have to attend to now.

    Atwood did get on my nerves with her Marcia Marcia Marcia portrayal of Helen. Just sayin’

    LOL!

  98. sorry, I screwed up with printing the last commet twice.

  99. OT — is the PB2.0 at Corrente on the main page? Or is it in some registered users only place somewhere?

    I tried to register but it was very late and I can’t post. But I wanted to at least read it. Does anyone know?

  100. Like when your dog brings your slippers without you asking for them and after such a kind deed, they look at you with the “I did this for you because I care about you” look in their eyes. Which always results in a Scooby snack & pat on the head.

    sm77 – you bring a smile to my heart !!! thank you !

  101. Wig Wag & Charles: Regarding the Obama/Iraq “refine” quote, Samantha Power mentioned a few months ago that the Obama campaign will not engage in an Iraq withdrawal in the specific 18 month timetable. It only was a matter of Obama actually repeating what Samantha said.

  102. Meanwhile, Leonard Zelig made another appearance:

    Obama rewrites Iraq plan

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) promised primary voters a swift withdrawal from Iraq, in clear language still on his website: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

    Not anymore. Heading into the holiday weekend, Obama and his advisers repudiated that pledge, saying he is reevaluating his plan and will incorporate advice from commanders on the ground when he visits Iraq later this month.

    A top Obama adviser said he is not “wedded” to a specific timeline, and Obama said Thursday he plans to “refine” his plan.

    “I am going to do a thorough assessment when I’m there,” he told reporters in Fargo, N.D., according to CBS News. “When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”

    How prescient was the WSJ editorial board?

    This is from yesterday’s editorial

    Next up for Mr. Obama’s political blessing will be Mr. Bush’s Iraq policy. Only weeks ago, the Democrat was calling for an immediate and rapid U.S. withdrawal. When General David Petraeus first testified about the surge in September 2007, Mr. Obama was dismissive and skeptical. But with the surge having worked wonders in Iraq, this week Mr. Obama went out of his way to defend General Petraeus against MoveOn.org’s attacks in 2007 that he was “General Betray Us.” Perhaps he had a late epiphany.

    Look for Mr. Obama to use his forthcoming visit to Iraq as an excuse to drop those withdrawal plans faster than he can say Jeremiah Wright “was not the person that I met 20 years ago.”

    I don’t know how often we will have to say this, but…

    WE TOLD YOU SO… ASSHOLES!

  103. RegencyG: YES, now this rings a bell. She’s an amazing woman who got burned.

  104. sm77,

    I read one of your posts where you mentioned it. However, I judge people by what they say and do. Yet, before I knew that you were I had read some impressive wrtings by you and that is all I’m gravitating to. This so called race issue is really about cultural differences. Racism to me is fear of something you have no control over. Something you feel threatened by, something other than what you are. It is cultural as well. People divided can’t respect each other and therefore get nothing done except escalate and reaffirm their reasons for hating each other. Still, I must confess that I don’t understand it at this late date. We all have resentment of others and it just never stops. We are spiraling into a black hole towards extinction. We are so busy fighting among our selves that our space ship is dieing.

  105. SM, you’re right, Samantha Power did mention it, but you have to admit, having Obama say it for himself is big news. The fauxgressive bloggers who are already threatening to rebel are going to go ape shit! It’s no accident that he personally mentioned all of this now, when none of the heavy weight political reporters or anchors are at work and when most Americans are preoccupied with the holiday.

    With Obama it’s one lie after the next. It’s one Sister Souljah moment after the next. He’s a disaster! If getting out of Iraq is your priority, voting for McCain is your best bet. McCain will get us out of Iraq faster than Obama.

    And the gall to think that his one trip to Iraq will give him the insight about when and how to withdraw. How about McCains six million trips to Iraq. Does the fact that McCain’s trips to Iraq outnumber Obama by a huge percentage count for anything?

    PUMAs are not dumb. We know that all politicians lie. But Obama takes lying to a new level. I really fear that if he’s elected he will be worse than Bush.

  106. Click212 – thank you for your response. I know that this primary season has exacerbated race/identity politics and I definiitely understand how it can trigger the cultural divide.

    My post is merely on the US media’s drive to attach John McCain to Ingrid’s rescue, the “coincidence” that John McCain was in Colombia at the time and that both presidential candidates will appear before LULAC this coming Tuesday.

    Is it a simple coincidence or was it something that was planned to work out with John McCain’s visit in exchange for satellite imagery intelligence?

  107. sm & regencyg

    In fairness, Segolene Royal was very unprepared on issues. My friends and I were for her all the way and we watch especially the last debate between Segolene and Sarkozy: It was like watching seal clubbing. She didn’t master facts at all and for once he kept his horrible temper in check.

    Sarkozy could not run on his personality, so he became the wonk between the 2.

  108. WigWag – AMEN! I dunno about McCain getting us out earlier, but Obama is Bush 3.0 with a tan.

  109. sm77,

    One more thing all I want is to judge and be judged by the content of one’s character to paraphrase MLK.

  110. MABlue – wow, that’s a shame to hear.

    Click 212 – AMEN! That makes two of us!

  111. FARC may be terrorists, but they actually fight FOR the Colombian people. I don’t agree with their methods, but the media carefully conceal the facts: The current Colombian government is in the US’ pocket and continues to allow corporations to rape the environment and bring social problems associated with rampant capitalism.

    Chavez sees this and refuses to play ball with the US, hence his constant demonization in American media. Do not buy into the propaganda. US corporations and US policies are bad for Latin America.

  112. MABlue – she needs to take a cue from Hillary in the future. What’s even sadder is that Hillary was the wonk! okay I’m gonna be mad again.

  113. sm77,

    I don’t think McCain’s visit is a coincidence. I think it was planned out since I just read in the NYTimes that the US provided intelligence service. It’s Bush’s gift to McCain.
    And since this is such a contentious and perverse election I can’t in all honesty object. Unless the the sky opens and Hillary get on the ballot, McCain has my weapon — my vote. Which is the only way we have to tell the DNC, they are not the boss of us.

  114. sm & wigwag – re: iraq

    some of BO’s other advisors have said similar things. i think i read something in the New Yorker and another source but can’t remember where. anyway, his advisors have been saying this (or similar things) for a while now and it’s stepped up in the last week or two. so it’s no surprise to anyone but hard-core Obama fans.

    Charles and SM, thank you for the information about Betancourt. Charles, i appreciate your site for world news.

  115. click212, on July 3rd, 2008 at 9:07 pm Said: Edit Comment
    sm77,

    I don’t think McCain’s visit is a coincidence. I think it was planned out since I just read in the NYTimes that the US provided intelligence service. It’s Bush’s gift to McCain.
    And since this is such a contentious and perverse election I can’t in all honesty object. Unless the the sky opens and Hillary get on the ballot, McCain has my weapon — my vote. Which is the only way we have to tell the DNC, they are not the boss of us.

    You just proved my post to be at least in the right direction. Thank you.

  116. Every once in a while someone on McCain’s staff pulls a absolutely amazing political stunt like this. Wonder who it is?

  117. MA Blue, re

    I don’t know how often we will have to say this, but…
    WE TOLD YOU SO… ASSHOLES!

    This is how I plan to react: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU

  118. Not exactly sure which Latinos are they polling because pretty much all the onesI know are now for McCain.

    We trust McCain NOT Obama.

  119. […] Ingrid Betancourt could swing the US Presidential Election [image] Some of you may be saying: […]

  120. Wow. Great article. Very interesting insight and well explained. I look forward to reading more posts!

  121. Hey, SM, did i meet you in Philidelphia when we went to the Latin club for visibility for hillary and you got on the mic? I heard you on the radio show the other night and could swear that was you.

  122. Jess, nope, wasn’t me – I’ve never visited Philadelphia. I live in FL. But I’m glad to hear that PUMAs are spreading out in da club!

  123. I don’t know if this will help McCain but too much mention of FARC is not good for Obama. His name is mentioned in glowing terms on the laptop that was captured a few weeks ago.Writing two days before his death, Reyes tells his comrades that “the gringos,” working through Ecuador’s government, are interested “in talking to us on various issues.”

    “They say the new president of their country will be (Barack) Obama,” he writes, saying Obama rejects both the Bush administration’s free trade agreement with Colombia and the current military aid program.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/WireStory?id=4390879&page=1

  124. […] one blogger even speculated that the Betancourt rescue could swing the US Presidential election. (see link here) Another blog spoofed the whole incident as if McCain had really conducted the rescue. (see […]

  125. To click212:

    Got you right there. Of course, the newspapers you mentioned are socialists and pro-Obama, like the MSM.

    If you know the story, you will be shocked. The Betancourt is a socialist when she ran against Uribe.

    Her followers in France were attacking Bush and Uribe and callously attempted to pay the ransom, undermining the operation against FARC.

    The release of Betancourt is a slap on the face of French Government and the groups heckling the US government and Uribe.

    Have you wondered why McCain was in Colombia one day before the operation?

    If you check all the socialist/liberal newspapers (like the color of NYTimes), no such “thank you” to US government or Uribe.

    Ustedes son ingratos y ingratas!

    As a moderate Democrat, I will vote for McCain this November – if Hillary cannot make it in Denver. That’s final to me.

    To ensure that McCain will state moderate, I will appeal to him to take Hillary as one of his “personal critic” something like “Devil’s Advocate”, but in a positive way for better and truly unified America.

    With Obama, you cannot have that because all his minions, as revealed to us now, are Anti-Americans and Communists… starting from cheater Howard Dean. How can we expect fairness from DNC if everything is already designed for Obama? They used Hillary in their big sarsuela. Dean was a communist all along and had already picked Obama for presidency. They made a mockery of Pres. Clinton who served this country in 8 years in good faith.

    The problem with this government after Reagan, each party tried to wrangle each other unrespectfully…. the two party system has become corrupt and Anti-American, making America a laughingstock of the World.

    Let us get it right now! We are all Americans and we should work together regardless of our beliefs and principles.

    But I still have Communists…. fighting against Communists is Democrat Party’s legacy to this nation. Obama undermined this legacy by inviting the communists that led to the ouster of Hillary.

  126. Listen everyone down here in NY latinos are Majority Dem and was supporting Hillary Clinton, but now they are going to support McCain. Why because the latinos here in NY except the Politician they are going with OBAMA. But the Puertorican here in NY are not for OBAMA. They are saying that OBAMA is a Fruad, Flip Flop on everything and don’t trust OBAMA. So to all my Latinos Brothers and Sisters open your eyes very wide Obama is NOT for the Latinos AND please SUPPORT McCain. Here they say Country before party!!! obama is not to be trusted!!!! So let support McCain and get this BOZO Obama out!!!!! so what to all my latinos friend says about this?

  127. We should be leery of any polls that are reported. Remember how the MSM used polls and other means to discourage Clinton supporters. They painted a hopeless scenario for our candidate–in the face of obvious successes. Obama fever is strong among the information dessiminators and their ethics have taken a dive. During the primary season, even the Gallup Organization gave bold headlines to any results positive for Obama (e.g., He’ll carry NC!) and then downplayed the most significant finding–that Hillary lead both Obama and McCain in the national figures. I have been a researcher for many years and i can tell you, it is so easy to use polls to sway people. We must be reconciled that MSM and others will not be a reliable source of information now. Don’t be discouraged by the din of the media. Keep talking to one another and vote. I am still writing Hillary in. I hope others will do the same.

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