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Tuesday: A History Lesson on the Battle of Hastings

Today, I would like to talk about warfare. (Now you must imagine RD dressed like some tweedy professor with a bald spot and a bow tie, patches a the elbows of my jacket, standing before you with an overhead projector and some colorful acetates.)

I would like to take you back to the year 1066AD.  We are in Anglo-Saxon England and we are in the midst of one of those turmoils where the exact heir to the English throne is somewhat in question.  It gets even more complicated when Henry II marries Eleanor of Aquitaine but that’s at least another century from now.  In 1066, the match was between Harold and William of Normandy.

On October 14, 1066, the two met at the Battle of Hastings, Harold and his army just arriving from some other nasty skirmishes to the north.  Harold employed a tactic called a “shield wall” in battle and it was enormously effective if a bit cumbersome.  The idea was that the soldiers at the front of the line would link shields with the men on either side of them.  Soldiers in back of the shield wall were then free to lob lethal objects over the heads of the ones in front and shoot arrows and were pretty much protected by the wall.  If a shield went down, someone from behind stepped up and filled the gap.  It was very effective and Harold used it well. But it did have one little problem…

At the battle of Hastings, Harold *should* have won the day.  He had the high ground and he had this amazingly well trained, if a little worn out, shield wall.  William’s men had to fight uphill and break on through the shield wall all the while facing some nasty archers behind the shield.  It wasn’t looking too good for William with his side taking some heavy casualties while the shield wall held.  Then William’s army started to retreat down the hill and when that happened, some of the shield wall got a little cocky, broke ranks and started chasing them.  Baaaad idea.  William’s troops rallied just when all seemed lost, turned around and broke through what remained of the weakened shield wall.  The rest, as they say, is history.

(RD looks around at the students, some of whom are playing with their cell phones, some are playing with their gum, some are sucking up to me in the front row,  while others have a completely befuddled expression on their face)

The reason I bring this up is because coalitions only last as long as they stick together.  They are strongest when they present a united front.  JustSayNoDeal is our coalition and the one who is out there everyday representing us to the media.  Our message is a simple one, “If the parties won’t uphold Democratic principles, who will?  If the voters don’t hold the parties accountable, who will?”  *We* will.  We are saying no deal to Obama because we want to hold our party accountable.  The coalition represents people who are going to voted for McCain, those who will write in Hillary’s name and those who may not vote at all.  Our greatest power is now before the convention.  But in order to make our case, we must stick together and present a united front behind which our members can lob verbal missiles and other strategic objects.

Some of you may see other groups who claim to be new coalitions or truncated versions of JustSayNoDeal.  Some of these are popping up in the comment threads.  We don’t know who these people are.  But one thing is for certain: they wouldn’t be doing this if we weren’t effective. They are trying to entice members away from the shield wall and weaken us.  As soon as gaps appear, like all of the non-McCain voters get up and walk off to a new coalition, the coalition that is JustSayNoDeal will start to fall apart and lose its strength. So, if you are tempted, if there are voices whispering how we’re all funded by Republicans (not true), or some other nasty rumors and you are being lured away, stop and think whether you are sacrificing your strength and investigate who is doing the luring. We do not know who is behind these efforts.  So be on your guard.  Accept no substitutes.

Hold fast.  Link shields.  Do not yield.  Just Say No Deal.

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  1. sorry RD want to make sure this gets out reposting on the new thread:


    Morning sorry about my lack of contributions was a fit full night sleeping. Last night princess wares Prada was compromised at HH. Yesterday evening, a man showed up in a police uniform banged on her door demanding she let him in and when she asked for him to show his badge he refused.

    Also over the weekend a poster ‘big papa” posted an evil vile post on HH and shortly after he called princess and harassed her on the phone. I am not sure if the events are related but most likely so.

    Questions have been asked, how did he find out her phone number? How did he know where she lived? It seems he may be a real police officer. In most Florida jurisdictions, the patrol cars have computers that have “911 emergency” information and can access everyone’s address and phone number.

    This is the important part-in many Florida areas like in my county the 911 systems are maintained by jurisdiction. We have city 911 addressing and county 911 addressing and they are two separate systems. If you find yourself in this situation, and you are being harassed like princess, do not stay home leave your home.

    Try to get out of your jurisdiction into another one have an escort to take you back and forth to your home until your safety is re-established. Keep the police dept desk number and the non emergency number by your door.

    If someone IDs themselves as law enforcement do not let them in your home without first seeing their badge and confirm the visit thru the police dept numbers posted by your door. Let the person on the other side of your door know you are verifying him with the department. Also, make sure you have a good deadbolt lock and a slide chain on the door to prevent it from opening it all the way.

    Please take these precautions safety first.


  2. ‘Morning, riverdaughter – I read the first sentence and think you should be dressed as Athena! Far more suitable for you than a “tweedy professor.” Now, off to read the post!

  3. RD great post my partners bank pin was 1066(he is no longer with us but you get the connection.)


  4. RD is right. We need to remain United. Our Goal right now is to convince Super Delegates to cast their vote at the convention for the winner of the popular vote, the people’s choice, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    My potential vote for McCain is only if these Democrat political figures decide to choose Money over Democracy.

  5. OMG–is this for real? I gathered from the Wapo article that she lived in Miami. Michael, you are correct the police in Fl. do have that info available from their police car computers–I live in Jacksonville, Fl. In fact, I sent the link to that article to my daughter in Miami–thought she would be interested since she is also a Hillary supporter. Also, my daughter has been doing PR for years (used to do it for CNN) –now for a NY corp. from her home.
    Anyway that is beside the point, but this is scary. Good information Michael–because this has been raised to another level.

  6. Also, I can see US as the invading Normans. Right now, we are the ones energized. The Obamabots think they have everything sewn up. We must strive to fight the uphill battle with all of our might.

    They are feeling cocky, and can indeed be made to leave their line and chase us down the hill, underestimating our strength.

    All we need is one hole in that line and the illusion of their invincibility is gone.

  7. Agree that there is strength in both unity and numbers; however, the PUMA acronym seems to be the most attractive to reporters in terms of spreading the word beyond the blogosphere. Suggest that we remember to refer to the “PUMA coalition” at Just Say No Deal. That way, we’re continuing to encompass both the catchy acronym and the central location for the un-party coalition.

  8. good morning! I agree we need to stick together.That’s the only way we can get media attention…

  9. gotta go–but, loved the Battle of Hastings post. The Spartans also used linked lines and RD is on target, our strength is in united numbers.

  10. I think the biggest weakness the movement faces–especially at other hubs–is the need for people to take credit for starting things. I’ve had more than a single run-in with those who feel slighted or overshadowed by the PUMA label. At first I really was very understanding.

    I’m reaching the point where I think they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face. I say take the trademark available and use to your advantage. Right now they take the PUMA label, as well as Just Say No Deal, more seriously than any other grassroots effort. That’s important and I whsh I was better at communicating that to them.

  11. grayslady: This is the point I made i my interview with Steve Corbett yesterday. There are many PUMA groups out there and we want them to be viral. That’s the way we reach as many people as possible. But we also need one entity to speak for us. That is JustSayNoDeal.

  12. By the way, great post, RD! I really got it. We’ve got to do like the Clintons do on a bad day. We’ve got to close ranks.

  13. kc: yes, this is true. We’re public enemy number one now.

  14. 1st off-Thank you “fuzzybeargville” for informing “us” about the hardships she (and the others) has faced for “OUR CAUSE”! Which leads into the “RD” response : YOU ARE So….RIGHT !!!!!
    * I know the “buzz” about the Clintons is they will do anything to win. I agree they are “tough campaigners”;
    but what’s going on, the lengths people will go to get “this man” elected are “OUTRAGIOUS”!!
    *Hannity often says, “in the 20 yrs. I’ve been in radio
    I’ve NEVER EXPERIENCED the attacks that I’ve experienced this year” (or something like that).
    *Remember all the “under-reported” claims by “AA”
    SD’s that supported Hillary & the anger they had to endure.
    ** Still as “bad” as these examples are & NO-ONE should have to go thru this abuse when they speak-up
    ; but “They are still at the end of the day PUBLIC
    ** The people speaking out for “US” are “PRIVATE
    Where are our leaders speaking out for these people!
    Go PUMA!!

  15. RD–Heard you on Corbett. You were great! You covered all the bases, including the importance of Just Say No Deal. Corbett has really been a fearless Democrat throughout this whole process. I think in his “turndown day” series he was hoping for this type of recognized coalition to develop.

  16. As a history major I have one minor quibble/addition.

    Many historians believe that the Norman retreat was a ruse to lure Harold’s army into breaking ranks. If so, it worked.

    As for military analogies, I prefer the Battle of the Bulge (no, it has nothing to do with Jenny Craig)

    The 101st Airborne and other troops were cut-off and surrounded by the German Army just before Christmas 1944. General McAuliffe was holed up in the town of Bastogne.

    The German commander contacted McAuliffe to discuss terms of surrender. McAuliffe’s reply was exactly one word: “Nuts.”

    Eventually General Patton’s 3rd Army arrived and the Germans suffered a big defeat. But it was the opinion of the 101st that they didn’t need to be rescued.

    Never retreat, never surrender.

  17. myiq: I had heard that rumor too. I suspect it was a little of both. Perhaps the Normans “feigned” retreat. In any case, the English discipline gave way. maybe they were just tired from being run all over the country and just wanted to finish the Normans off. I suspect they wouldn’t have broken ranks if they didn’t feel in some way that they were winning.

  18. Fuzzybeargville:

    People should know that they are not obligated to open their doors just because the police knock. They must have a warrant. Nor are you obligated to speak with the police at anytime.

    But you are most vunerable when you are driving in your car. There was a story earlier this year from a woman who says she was pulled over and harrassed because of a Hillary sticker on her car.

    I recommend people place stickers on magnetic strips. This allows you to remove them if you are concerned about vandalism or harassment.

  19. Hey! Click on The Cry of the PUMA in the post. You won’t be disappointed ;-).

  20. The Cry of the PUMA is great. What an anthem for the movement!

  21. This is my first time posting here. I was enjoying the Taylor Marsh site until the world went mad and I started to feel like a troll there.

    I received my new voter registration card yesterday. Yes, happy to say I am now an Independent. I really look forward to having both candidates actively court my vote. I sure will feel special! As a registered Dem my vote was taken for granted. Can’t wait for a call from the Obama campaign. Really would love any of their supporters to come up with a reason for voting for him other than “change.” I’ve asked my Obamabot friends “WHY?” and the only thing I’ve received is the “Obama is not a secret Muslim” e-mail.

    Come November I’m holding fast, linking shields and definitely voting for McCain.

  22. I think you’re on to something, RD, but I also think it would help if there was a more responsive Just Say No Deal administration.

    Take my story for instance. I tried to sign up my blog as soon as I saw you post about it, but my site was never added, and I received no e-mail regarding having joined, even though I was required to offer an address. Two weeks later I tried again, again, no e-mail from joining and my site wasn’t added. I finally asked here one afternoon and was given Murphy’s contact. I still haven’t heard back from her (but I do realize she is really busy lately with interviews and the pac), but she at least added me to the e-mail list for conference calls. I still haven’t heard anything from Diane or No Deal (though I know she is busy too), and there is no contact listed on the site to inquire in a more personal manner.

    So after all of that, I joined the Nobama Network. I would much prefer to be a part of the Just Say No Deal coalition, but they apparently have no use for me. If anyone can help me out in that regard, I’d be grateful.

  23. Wow, Regency, I had no idea there were people out their chafing under the credit issue. It’s pretty clear that the name was created right here at The Confluence, and that the movement took off very shortly thereafter due to PUMApac and then JSND.

    Personally, I don’t care about credit, except attributing it accurately, which I always try to do. The Confluence has gotten major props on my blog almost daily for their important work.

  24. RD, I think we also have to come up with statements on what our grievances are (which can be easily proven with hard evidence, for instance, RBC and May 31) and what the party must do to address those grievances.

    For the second part, I personally want Clinton to be on the top of the ticket and may be I will suffer Obama as a VP (though even that is a scary prospect.) The party can make it happen with a floor vote and a whisper campaign to turn the SDs if they want to win. Or they could try to push Obama out (dream on, you say? I heard you.) There are no good solutions here. The process mismanagement some by design and other by stupidity is fucked up completely (much like my tenure). May be the only solution is to let this pass, suffer McCain for 4 years and then fight 2012. But one thing is very clear — under no circumstances should we reward these bastards with a win to this unprepared hack of an illegitimate nominee.

  25. not sure if i know how to post links here, but i’ll try. first check out this one line from Brazile’s column:

    “Clinton is also capable of helping Obama in states that were especially troublesome for him in the primaries, including Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Nevada and California.”

    Michigan and Florida? troublesome? does this fit the definition of irony or something else? forgive me for repeating myself… Michigan? seems like Michigan served Obama quite well…


  26. and perhaps worse…

    “Clinton alone is uniquely able to help Michelle Obama understand how to navigate all the racist and sexist undercurrents that flow from a very narrow slice of the electorate who can’t grasp the notion of a smart, intelligent and gracious woman who somehow does not fit their 1950s stereotype of what it means to be the first lady of the United States of America.”

    …but hey Michelle, watch out for Hillary’s “tone” remember. Sorry, I’m up in a tree now…

  27. Great post and the video is perfect!

  28. RD, sorry that this is off-topic, but it’s important that we focus on action that motivates our ‘supporters’ too.

    In the first quarter of 2008, Fox News, after six years of cable-news ratings dominance, saw itself slip into second place behind CNN in the so-called money demo — viewers in their mid-20s through mid-50s, whom advertisers care about most.
    Fox has seen its once formidable advantage over CNN erode in this presidential election year, as both CNN and MSNBC have added viewers at far more dramatic rates.

    Any suggestions on what we can do, apart from boycotting CNN and MS-f***ing-NBC ourselves?

  29. Does just say no deal have merchandise yet? I would live a bumbper sticker.

  30. Indigo, on July 1st, 2008 at 8:54 am Said:

    not sure if i know how to post links here, but i’ll try. first check out this one line from Brazile’s column:
    When I read things like these it makes my blood boil. So we have Clinton winning these states easily and they shove her out and now she has to help their nominee to win those states? And, after acknowledging that those states are “troublesome” for their candidate? What is wrong with this picture? The only way to throw these fucking bastards out of the party is to give them a landslide defeat.

  31. Remember, we can get much more accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit. It is very important to get our message out on television; many do not have internet access. I have introduced seven non-internet users to the PUMA coalition. Some of them are voting for McCain and some are just skipping the race. I think the fact that we give our coalition members the freedom to choose how we cast our votes has attracted a lot more followers.

    Finally, be very careful, PUMAs. The toxic level of sexism and outright misogyny that has gone largely unchallenged these past few months leads to objectification of all women, which invites escalating levels of abuse. Any of us who have been in an abusive relationship (or who have known someone in that position) are well aware that the most dangerous time for an abused partner is immediately after s/he leaves the relationship. First, the abuser says,”You’ll come back.” Then, s/he says, “I’m sorry. If you come back, things will change.” If that doesn’t work, s/he becomes angry and says, “If I can’t have you, nobody can.” That’s when the threats and the stalking begin. Stay strong, PUMAs. Do not enable the abusers by returning. The powers that be must understand that we have options, our votes are EARNED, and we are now demanding more than mere words.

    Be brave; stand united; be PUMAs!

  32. RD,

    The cry of the puma video is great. And I love your message about putting up a united front. I have been ruminating about this notion myself lately and hope to post about it soon.

  33. More Republican Stalking-Horse Behavior from Barry:

    Obama to expand Bush’s faith-based programs

    By JENNIFER LOVEN – 5 hours ago


    CHICAGO (AP) — Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans that would expand President Bush’s program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — support their ability to hire and fire based on faith.

  34. LOL no comments allowed in Hillary’s official ‘unity’ thread:


    I wonder why…;)

  35. I got messaged on Facebook by an Obamabot yesterday because I sent out a message about the US Presidential Election Sit Out (a facebook group). She was upset I sent out the message, even though she claims she voted for Nader in 2000. (Now who screwed us there–her or me, the Gore voter?) It was this preachy message about unity. Gag.

    Anyway, I have another request, which is for us to stick together on picking the groups we want to support on CREDO. I got my ballot and I do not want any money going to groups that have endorsed Obama, especially before he became the nominee. But Planned Parenthood, the Sierra Club, a lot of good groups, have endorsed Obama after he “won” (so called). This is part of standing together. There must be groups on here who don’t support either candidate overtly. I don’t want him getting any of my money.

  36. I’ve been surfing some of the kool-aid sites and it’s comedy gold seeing them trying to rationalize the last couple weeks.

    WKJM put up a post defending General Clark only to have Obama throw Clark under the bus. Move-on is grabbing their ankles so Obama can give them a big “thank-you” and even Zsa Zsa Huffington is having second thoughts.

  37. chimera, I have stopped supporting any group that endorsed Sen. Ob ama, and I have returned their requests for $$ with an explanation of why. What few funds I possess will be utalized for Sen. Clinton’s debt, with a few dollars for the Salvation army and a few others that help so many distressed people.

  38. Let’s support a boycott of polls!

    “Musings on Pollsters: Confessions of a Former Gallup Study Director…”


    As a former Gallup study director, I view the polling of Zogby and Gallup in non-technical terms…and recount some of my own experiences witnessing manipulation of data…

  39. what happens after the convention, i’ll worry about then. in the meantime, anyone who joins with me in opposing the theft of the nomination is my ally.

  40. BMC: You have got to be kidding about the faith based programs? We have so many clients right now, who have no water or electricity because churches are so strapped.

  41. I get a message saying that video is no longer available. I will try later.

    RD, you say “The coalition represents people who are going to voted for McCain, those who will write in Hillary’s name and those who may not vote at all.”

    I intend to vote third party unless things at the DNC change “muy pronto” (not likely). Can I still play here?

    Love, Me

  42. BTW RD, wonderful analogy using the battle of Hastings. Yes, there needs to be a focus on unity and political clout through unity.

    I posted the following in your anniversary post because the more I think of the time constraints we have, the more I believe that having a laser like focus on our goal (Nobama) the importance of using our collective vote as a weapon to defeat the DNC thugs.

    If we committed our votes to McCain, perhaps we can negotiate with McCain for issues that would bleed, the Obama camp of voters. Or if that is unfeasible then we need to hit the streets (media) with the prime reasons for our disaffection. e.g., the breaching of the democratic process of election in the primaries, the RBC corruption, Obama’s political history and tactics (Alice Palmer), his disingenuous renegading on the issues that he hoodwinked for financial and political gain.

    “I mentioned this before, but I really believe that voting for McCain is using your vote as a weapon not just a tool for democracy. Writing in Hillary will not work in certain states, some states and precincts will just give that vote to Obama. Not voting at all or sitting this one out is giving a vote to Obama. We must be proactive. Anything but voting for McCain is nothing more than a fart in a hale storm. We must guarantee that Nobama is our goal. Once again, bite the bullet, hold your nose, breath through your mouth. But whatever you do, use your vote as a weapon, to guarantee that in the future you’ll use it as a tool for democracy.

    I am even afraid that putting Senator Clinton’s name on the Denver ballot will not do. Because of intimidation by the embedded Obamaoids in the rank and file. I don’t know if we would have enough time to negotiate with delegates. I know that in Texas, the Democratic party is reviewing it’s caucus process to “fix it.” I say one voter one vote.”

    Got Growal – PUMA

  43. pm317-
    Everything about this whole process angers me, but shills like Brazille, and Obama/news pundits’ saying Hillary has to “help” him in the troublesome states is a load of crap! That has always been the way with this incompetent unqualified weak candidate. He cheated with the caucuses and ended on a whimper in the final primaries, the SD’s had to “help” him by carrying him over the finish line, The Rules Committee had to “help” him by disenfranchise voters from two states and SD’s from states Hillary WON had to “help” him by going against their states voter’s wishes
    (Massachusetts, WV anyone?) to select this guy as our nominee. Unfuckingbelievable!
    And now Hillary has to help this weakling? If Hillary were our nominee Obama could take a looooong vacation (or go back to work in the Senate for a change) – She would win hands down WITHOUT his help.

    On another note- RD I can’t view the video – You Tube says it is no longer available- has it been scrubbed? Can someone check?

  44. There goes the Establishment clause under the bus! From AP:

    Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans to expand President Bush’s program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — support some ability to hire and fire based on faith.

    . . . Obama . . . supports letting religious institutions hire and fire based on faith in the non-taxypayer funded portions of their activities, said a senior adviser to the campaign, who spoke on condition of anonymity to more freely describe the new policy.

    The Establishment clause says that government shall not endorse or support any religion. If a faith-based group is receiving tax dollars, it cannot discriminate on the basis of religion (or the lack thereof) and it’s functions have to be secular, like feeding the homeless.

    Is Opossum running as a Democrat or a Republican?

  45. RD, I ALWAYS picture you as you describe yourself above (smile).
    As a fellow prof, I thought you did wonderful job conveying the information and drawing the lesson from it.

    Both Heidi Li’s Potpourri and The Denver Group operate under the Just Say No Deal umbrella. And that umbrella encompasses people (like me) who will not cast a ballot for Senator McCain OR Senator Obama – I will abstain this year, it appears. Other members of Just Say No Deal will vote for a third party candidate. JSND is a true UMBRELLA group: it shelters a wide variety of folks and groups.

  46. Ben Frankin said “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

  47. AnnabelleP: Just keep sending emails to JSND, it took about three weeks, but I am on there now. And check again, if you got the email from Murphy, you may be on there now. I got the email and a few days later my blog was posted.

  48. Thanks Kim! I’ll try again…

  49. annabellep: I can assure you that JSND *does* want you in the coalition. But if youvdidnt get a response, a couple of things might be at work here. 1.) Diane has been really busy. If I send her an email these days, I sometimes get an automated response telling me to be patient. There is simplyvtoo much going on right now with media, message and a movement that is spreading like wildfire. 2.) we want PUMA to be viral and that’s great but the number of sites that are asking to be included is so large that it would be difficult to fit them all in the same page and have them all be meaningful. After awhile, it’s mind boggling. However, we *might* suggest a scrolling thingy where everyone who is on the list makes an appearance. If you’ve ever been to Make It Right, you can see an example of what I’m talking about with their donor scroll. I can suggest this to Diane.

  50. Thank you so much for your rsponse Riverdaughter. It’s nice to feel wanted! Heh.

    I knew once I saw the NYT article that getting in touch with Diane after that would be extremely difficult. I share your goal of making the movement viral, and building up the press. I’m looking forward to making my first conference call.

    That’s a great idea to suggest. Personally, I don’t really care if my blog appears on the front page, I just want to be included somewhere, and to feel like I can legitimately put a JSND logo (with link) on my website.

  51. Great job with the “history lesson,” which explains wonderfully our war of united minds and wills, in effective metaphoric terms!

    We have all seen the war tactic of “divide [to] conquer” being used by the powers that be, as the first step in breaking up the Dem party from all supporting and electing Hillary. By bringing forth a divisive, in-your-face candidate option demographic groups became warring nations, and the ones voting for BO were pre-destined to win without a battle. Except, of course, the powers that be thought that we’d never be able break away from their clearly abusive management and be able to become a stong “nation” without them.

    I agree we’re at the “if [we] can’t have [them], then nobody can” part of this process, as far as the Dems are concerned. And that “never retreat, never surrender.” should be our, um, meditation mantra, as well as battle cry.

  52. Naah, not a tweedy professor with a bald spot. How about a shaggy-haired Englishman in tight jeans?

    I just dated myself,didn’t I? I wonder if anyone else in the universe will get that but me.

    “Clinton alone is uniquely able to help Michelle Obama understand how to navigate all the racist and sexist undercurrents …

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?! I wouldn’t help either Donna FUCKING Brazile or Michelle FUCKING Obama navigate a goddamned minefield after the shit they thrown at me if I were Clinton! FUCK Michelle Obama, she can figure this shit out for herself. And fuck Donna Brazile. Sideways.

  53. We need to join together Red Rover Style, arms locked to be inpenetrable. We also need big shoulders to carry those that believe, but aren’t strong enough to face the attacks. Being a PUMA at this time truly requires courage.

    Last night I had a really upsetting experience that at first made me cry, but later solidied my determination. A fellow Hillary supporter (and one that had taken on the Obots with me) brought up whats next. I ended up telling him about PUMA and asked him to visualize the results of our power. First he shrieked, “Get over it, she lost!”, then he told me he was worried that I was crazy. That he sincerely thinks I have a mental problem. (earnest and all) Now, from an Obot–expected. From a Hillary supporter (Donations etc..) devastating. We have our work cut out for us, but must have so much courage.

  54. joaniebone, they call you crazy when they fear you’re right. Just tell them, “I’ll talk to you in a year, and we’ll see who was right.”

  55. I have a great introduction to PUMA–a succinct letter that can be distributed as a flyer to reach out to anyone that has a Hillary sticker on their car. I’d love to show it to you guys.

    Is there a place where you can post resources like this for anyone to download? I’ve gotten really great feedback on it.

  56. annabellep, please send me the link to your blog – katiebird@gmail.com

  57. janis, I’ll use that. I was so unprepared for that response last night.

  58. Let ’em think you’re crazy. F*ck ’em if they can’t take a joke.

  59. Joaniebone,

    that behavior is typical of someone that caved in towards someone that refuses to do so. He did the expected, the popular thing. You took a different road according to your conscience and your integrity and showed him up as someone that doesn’t believe very deeply if they can cave in so quickly.

    You stuck to your guns. He didn’t. Thus in his mind one of you is nuts. Can’t be him so…

  60. myiq, that’s some constitutional scholar the DNC forced on us. This is outrageous. Jeebus, he really is Bush, rewarmed.

  61. YkenoshaMarge,
    yes–so true. It stung, but I’m sensitive. I wasn’t brought up to insult people to their faces. Come to think of it, that is what got me into this movement in the first place–outrage over the blatant insults.

    A little while afterward, my fighting spirit was ignited. Yes, myiq2xu, **^%$ ’em.

  62. RD, love your analogy.

    Did anyone watch the Annenberg foundation polling focusgreup on cspan last night interview swing voters (both Rebub and Dem) who had voted Hillary…very strange: not one of them knew anything about the RBC decision.

    I think they were being probed by the village to see how much PUMA type backlash there might be in Nov. Asked why did Hillary lose, they were baffled. None mentioned caucus delegate over representation or RBC (over)rules.

  63. dotcommodity, on July 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am Said:

    They were at least baffled that she lost. I am not surprised they did not know about RBC or other stuff. Do we hear about any of this in the MSM? Many of these people get their information from the same media that is trying to screw them.

  64. Here’s a question, isn’t there a move to contribute on July 4th to help pay Hillary’s debt? I thought I saw it some where. Anyway, if we all used that day to donate at Hillaryclinton.com and there would be a substantial sum to catch attention then it would send the message first to her that we support her and understand her and are 100% with her. It would send a powerful message to the DNC, that her supports are a force to contend with come November.

    Got Growl? – PUMA

  65. Good morning everyone!

    Professor Riverdaughter, again, wonderful post! And I absolutely agree with you on the “breaking ranks” – we need to act UNITED and under one coaltion – so far we have and the progress we’ve made amazes me.

    Anyone and everyone who wants to contribute has a specific role to play. JustSayNoDeal brings all of us together to coordinate PUMA efforts.

    My take is, if it’s not listed under JusSayNoDeal, it’s not a “vetted” site yet.

    For some that want to start working PUMA in your area, PUMA Pac has also downloadable stationery where anyone can start a letter writng campaign in their city/state.

    As far as the attacks & harrassment, we will fight back -but no worries. This is a sign that PUMA is working. We musn’t let bullying tactics dissuade our purpose. That I still know of, we still live in the Land of the Free and we have a right to voice our dissent – and CALL THE COPS if need be.

  66. Here on the west coast at 8:19 the U tube link is not working,
    says it is no longer available. Any idea why, or where else to view it?
    And once again thanks for all the work and wisdom.

  67. I love the new video!

    Okay Team – I’m leaving to the airport!

    PUMA’$ Who Donate Rock!

  68. Carol, have a good time in LA! Don’t forget to check in with us from time to time on your vacay!

  69. If anyone is having trouble see the video – go tot he Just Say No Deal front page – I saw it there just fine.

    Na na na na, hey hey hey – GOODBYE!

  70. RD! just wanted to let you know that Capitol Hill has been by behind the scenes so! I would imagine all ears, and eyes are currently trained on PUMAland!

    yay! ’bout time, no — thinking they could pull a hanging chad round here!


  71. SM is correct;

    Being ignored would be a bad sign. The attention we are receiving is evidence of their concern.

  72. Have a good trip, Carol!

    Joaniebone–your friend is out of touch. Does he/she have an internet connection? Anyway, all revolutionaries are considered crazy at one time or another.

  73. The Battle of Hastings is good. But this election actually reminds me of Agincourt. You know, the battle where a handful of British soldiers under Henry V defeated the multitude sent against them by the Dauphin. of France. You remember this from Shakespeare,

    King Henry V:

    What’s he that wishes so?
    My cousin Westmorland. No, my fair cousin:
    If we are marked to die, we are enow
    To do our country loss; and if to live,
    The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
    God’s will, I pray thee, wish not one man more.
    By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
    Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
    It ernes me not if men my garments wear;
    Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
    But if it be a sin to covet honour,
    I am the most offending soul alive.
    No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
    God’s peace, I would not lose so great an honour
    As one man more, methinks, would share from me
    For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more.
    Rather proclaim it presently through my host,
    That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart. His passport shall be made
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
    We would not die in that man’s company
    That fears his fellowship to die with us.
    This day is called the Feast of Crispian:
    He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
    Will stand a-tiptoe when the day is named,
    And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
    He that shall see this day and live t’old age,
    Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
    And say “To-morrow is Saint Crispian”:
    Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars
    And say “These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.”
    Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
    But he’ll remember with advantages
    What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
    Familiar in his mouth as household words
    Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
    Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
    Be in their flowing cups freshly remembered.
    This story shall the good man teach his son;
    And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
    From this day to the ending of the world,
    But we in it shall be remembered;
    We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
    For he today that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition:
    And gentlemen in England now abed
    Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day. (IV, iii)

  74. According to James Burke, William won because his horsemen used stirrups to leverage their charges into the shield wall; i.e., technology. You are speaking English today instead of Old English because of this battle and the subsequent imposition of court French on the English gentry. The battle occurred on Friday, October 13. Another good reason to be leery of Friday the 13th.

    It’s always fun to see a post woven about a lesson– good job!

  75. See “talking points that don’t revolve around someone named Murphy” at http://lynjaci.blogspot.com/2008/07/talking-points-that-dont-revolve-around.html

  76. Churl:

    I saw “Connections” too. But Burke was incorrect, the Normans didn’t charge directly into the shield wall. When the wall broke ranks, the Norman cavalry charged into the unprotected infantry.

    BTW – The Normans weren’t really French, they were Vikings who invaded and settled Normandy.

  77. I’d rather compare this to the Battle of the Cowpens, where Daniel Morgan crushed the overconfident little shit Butcher Tarleton between two arms of a perfect double envelopment.

    Same thing — massive overconfidence, where Morgan set up some advance troops to fire two volleys and run like rabbits. Tarleton saw then running, thought he had a rout on his hands, and charged forward to finish them off.

    That’s when the Continental army came out of the woods on both sides of him and flattened his ass like a flapjack. Heh.

  78. gmanedit: Good point on that site to let Murphy be the one to define what she is/is not. Worth adding, PUMA was born here AND Murphy did the leg work to start the pac.

    Any situation that requires more than that ‘ justification’ is one where you are wasting your breath because no amount of justification will be enough.

  79. Nicely done, RD. United we stand, divided we fall.

    I’m very comfortable sitting here with my “unenrolled” status.

    Oh, I forgot. While I was out last night my son answered the phone and it was the Obama campaign looking for me. I was thrilled, we’re really getting to them. I hope they call again. BTW, my son and husband support Obama.

  80. myiq2xu and RD: every now and then a couple of years ago, at an unmentionable site, someone would do a little run through a period in Roman history to make a point about the Bush administration. Roman history rich for this sort of thing. Does any period in Rome remind either of you, or any other history-knowledgeable folks, of what’s been going on with the Democratic Party?

  81. Dear Annabelle,

    On behalf of Just Say No Deal, my sincerest apologies that your blog was “MIA”…. i’m sure it is currently in the backlog – but – having your comment @ Confluence and then receiving this email from KatieBird, it was obvious you were inadvertantly passed over….

    For that, I’ve risen your blog just under the big batch of “blogspotters”….


    Will Bower, the BLOG GURU for JSND, will be in touch with some fun participation guidelines to help etch the Just Say No Deal brand and drive like-minded peeps to your blog.

    Welcome aboard!!

    Diane Mantouvalos

    ps. (thanks Katiebird!)

  82. AM:

    476 A.D. sounds about right.

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