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Sticking Up For Your Friends

I met Paulie Abeles in Harrisburg when she walked into Hillary Headquarters with a list of creative canvassing techniques.  For a full 10 minutes, she commanded the attention of the staffer behind the front desk and ticked off her suggestions all of them brilliant.

She was a pretty blonde suburban mom from Maryland with bright red lipstick and a stylish bag under one arm. I was waiting for a canvassing partner and she sure seemed like the energetic type.  So, we paired up for the afternoon.  She was amiable and engaging.  Her canvassing pitch turned out to be significantly different from mine but it was oddly complementary.  She told me about how important it was to leave handwritten notes on the doors of homeowners who were not home, how to make it personal, how to ask for their vote, not their support and how to never address them by their first names.  I learned a lot from her.

What I *didn’t* learn was how racist she was.  She never let that part of her personality reveal itself.  She kept her white robes and hood carefully concealed and honestly, I never knew that she was a bigot.  I’ll be damned, she really had *me* fooled.  Oh, there was no doubt that she was an unapologetic Clintonista and she was clearly upset by the thought that Obama might be a malignantly undemocratic operator.  But if there was any racism in her, she showed no traces of it to me.

We parted as friends but lost touch over the madness of the next couple of months.  Lately, she has endured a firestorm from the Obamaphiles out there.  They have outed her, called her at all hours of the day and night, threatened her and her family, which includes two small children.  Paulie is a devoted stay-at-home mom who doesn’t watch TV and I’m sure she never intended to be in the eye of the storm like this.  The thugs who are thoughtlessly calling her a racist and cavalierly putting her and her family at risk of violence better back off.  Maybe we don’t see eye to eye on the voting strategy for the fall but she is NOT a racist and anyone who says otherwise should come and say so to my face if they are itchin’ for a fight.

So, are you feeling lucky, punk?  Go ahead, make my day.

141 Responses

  1. She’s one brave woman.

    PUMA

  2. And they have the nerve to accuse Hillary of running a “scorched earth” campaign.

    These bozos don’t just want to win, they want to purge all opposition from existence.

  3. I’m tellin’ ya – it’s the Kobe Bryant haka all over. The things people can cook up to justify such brute behavior against women just blows my mind.

  4. She has a post up on No Quarter right now.

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/22/my-response-to-personal-attacks-and-threats/#more-3192

    What a woman.

  5. Isn’t it remarkable that Obama has never ever called for a reasonable disagreement?
    He didn’t denounce the idiots (Keith) who call the Clintons racists and say Hillary was praying for his assassination.

    He never really defended her against Rev Wright and Pfleger.

    He never spoke up against the sexist attacks on Hillary.

    I could go on and on. I believe he condones this behavior.

    To show what a great comedian he is, Obama protested that McCain never defended Michelle against her attackers.

  6. myiq2xu,

    A friend of mine in Vegas got a call from the Obama campaign this morning asking for his support. My friend replied that, no, he wasn’t supporting Obama. To which the campaign volunteer responded with a question, “what are you? A racist?”

    Unfuckingbelievable.

  7. The more a read about her, the more amazing she seems. I had been following the Sally Hemmings/DNA test story for a long time. I had no idea that she was even tangentially involved with the “controversy.”

    I am a biologist by training. Most people do not understand the complexities of genetic testing. I was troubled about the lack of data on Eston Hemmings. Long story short, when the NY Times had an article about the DNA findings for Eston’s offspring, I thought it was a feel-good ending, but not an accurate one. I also thought that nobody would ever challenge Eston’s claims for fear of being called racist. I remember thinking to myself that if I were a descendant of Thomas Jefferson, I would keep my mouth shut about my doubts.

    It takes courage to express an umpopular opinion, More courage than I have, I must admit.

    Too bad our political leaders do not have the same strength of character as Ms. Abeles.

    PUMA

  8. Wierdly enough, I’m now thankful for Faux News. Even though I know that their purpose is to divide Democrats, they’re letting people say what’s happening and that’s a benefit to journalism.

  9. Even though I know that their purpose is to divide Democrats …

    Just like Obama, Pelosi, and Dean. At least they’re calling it like it is. Things ARE divided, and it’s not Fox that’s to blame.

  10. Thanks for this post, Riverdaughter. I don’t think that the folks who do this type of harassing are really aware of – or perhaps they discount – the warrior spirit that lives in the Paulies, the Riverdaughters, the BBs, the Katiebirds, the garychs, etc. They are in for a big surprise as we get closer to August and then November.

    I just watched Whalerider again last night and, believe me, if they think that they know about haka, they ain’t seen anything yet. Watch us, obots and be afraid. Very afraid.

  11. I refuse to get on the Faux News bandwagon since we all know where their marching orders are coming from. My only reason to turn them on is that they did less Hillary bashing than the other networks. But I was never a fan so to speak.

    However, bear in mind in watching them now is that there is little Obama bashing coming from them which is surprising. All has been fairly quiet over there and watching Neil Cavuto interview Paula he never exactly interjects negativity.

    I am uncertain as to what this portends. Do they have something waiting in the wings which they will introduce after Denver? Are they quietly conceding that McCain does not have a chance and are backing out early? Has Murdoch’s so-so endorsement of Obama play into the daily memo we know is circulated to their talking heads play a role? I am uneasy as to their tepid approach.

    Whatever he case, Faux is not quite living up to their daily ration of Dem baiting, something we have all come to accept. You almost get a conspiracy feel to this otherwise GOP arm.

  12. I’m sure she’s a very nice woman. By claiming responsibility (unprompted, from what I can uncover) for organizing a Dems for McCain effort, she put herself under scrutiny. Bad luck for her that she’s got a pretty inflammatory incident in her past that was easily dug up.

    But pinning all this on the Obama campaign’s over the top. I didn’t even know who Paulie was until I searched the news for her — she’s likely just attracting the usual weirdos and loons who are on the lookout for things to get offended about. And by being a prominent person in the Dems-for-McCain lightening rod, and playing an unfortunately deceptive role in a fraught racial conflict, she’s going to attract people who are already pissed and looking for an outlet.

  13. I think they believe that ‘letting’ Obama take the election will help with Republican unity. They think (as I do) that Obama will be as big a disaster as Bush, so they want to remind Republicans that Democrats are as “incompetent” as Republicans are.

  14. … she’s going to attract people who are already pissed and looking for an outlet.

    Pissed at what? Pissed for what reason? They stole a freaking election and disenfranchised several million people and got the hell away with it. What do THEY have to be angry about?

  15. (Shaking my head)

    Janis, I guess they’re mad because they had to steal the election. They thought they had a sure thing back when they were having those Obama Fainting Rallies in early winter. It turned out though that regular people weren’t so excited by Obama. Thus the rage. I guess?

  16. Miriam,

    You know, you might have a point if there were not such a pattern of this type of thuggish behavior. And, no I am not going to go find links for you–find them yourself. I have read too many caucus and online reports of intimidation to not believe this.

    Your guy’s campaign is reminding me of the Taliban more every day.

  17. Janis, I’m not talking about Obama supporters — I’m talking about people who get really stirred up about race relations. The Hemings/Jefferson saga is a flashpoint for that sort of resentment. All it takes is a handful of pissed-off people and it can feel like a deluge.

    There will be a lot of people angry at her about organizing for McCain, of course. That one’s a little more understandable, from a political point of view. Everyone’s entitled to their vote, but the specter of someone actively working to hand victory to your nemesis will rile all sorts of people who want a Dem victory in November. Not hard-core Obama people, just anyone who doesn’t want McCain in this winter (though there’s bound to be some unhinged Obama-fanatic in the crowd — no group of individuals is wholly sane).

    KC, I’ve read caucus reports too, but from the other side. I’ve come down to generally thinking that both sides played a little fast and loose at times, but mostly errors on the local level and no overt effort by either campaign.

  18. I just peruse these comments every so often. And this is about the third time Miriam has played the Obama theme (politely for Obama followers) and gone against the thrust of the post. I will say, that at least she tries to address the substance of the post, unlike most Obama followers. A rarity in the Obama circle indeed.

  19. This is a fight against voter disenfranchisement, among other things. I’m not going to subject potential allies to some kind of Trefoil Purity Test.

    The PUMA resistance is only as strong as long as we are willing to stand up to bullies.

    Obama specializes in turning his opponents against one another. Ironically, his stiff-necked Pharoah behavior is uniting people – against him.

    PUMA

  20. ” Shocker”
    Kristol: Bush Might Bomb Iran If He Thinks Obama Will Win
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  21. It so interesting how, according to you all, all instances of racism in this election cycle were fabricated and cooked up and yet you see sexism everywhere. Pretty myopic lenses you’ve got.

    Okay, go ahead and censor me because I politely disagree because that certainly smacks of true progressivism.

  22. Ahhhh, a Thornton in our midst.

    Miriam,

    Healthy campaigns expend a lot of energy keeping their more enthusiastic and destructive supporters in line. The Obama campaign expends none. There has been distancing from the campaign for any of the bad behavior that takes place on obama’s behalf. The Randi Rhodes incident, for example. Here was a video tape of an event organized by Obama supporters for Obama supporters where the entertainer is a nationally syndicated talk show host (not some anonymous blogger with 15 readers), that was advertised on Obama’s site and featured Obama supporters laughing uproariously as the former First Lady and the Democratic senator from New York was called a “fucking whore” over and over and over again. Obama said not a word. All he would have had to do was grab the nearest reporter and make clear that he was appalled that that rhetoric was unleashed on his behalf. He would have taken five minutes and he did no such thing.

    When Hillary, otoh, discovered that a couple of campaign staffers had forwarded the Muslim email, she flew to the tarmac and apologized to Obama personally and made sure that her supporters knew she considered that unconscionable behavior – that’s why you didn’t see a repeat of it.

    No one has had to shut down comments on their website because of Clinton supporters as Digby (whom the O-bots insisted on calling a cunt), and Taylor Marsh. Ben Smith nearly had to. Tavis Smiley’s elderly mother and brother were hunted down and received death threats after Smiley’s mild chiding about Obama’s refusal to appear at his Black State Of The Union event. John Lewis received death threats and “harassment” for his endorsement of Clinton. Mayor Nutter, in Philly, as well.

    So. no, it isn’t equal. the O-bots have behaved worse than anything I’ve ever seen in the Democratic party before.

  23. Is ‘alexei’ and ‘Miriam’ the same entity? Curious.

    But notice Miriam’s justification for the tactics. This is the same justification that results in the outing of a covert CIA operative. This is what a vote for Obama is a vote for.

  24. How dare they get away with a blanket accusation of every American who doesnt support Obama as a racist?

    This is a dangerous game. They put good people like Paulie at actual physical risk and they are undermining the very fact of racism by accusing everyone of it. Eventually the accusation will become meaningless. But until that unfortunate outcome, people like Paulie will be smeared and attacked.

    Where the fuck are the people in charge to stand up to this shit??

    Sorry for the language — it just makes me so goddamned mad.

  25. It’s only through elections that the people have any control over who is running the government. With the compromise of democracy shown by the DNC, Obama’s anti-democratic startegies, and our recent history of close elections with questionable irregularities, FL in 2000 and OH in 2004, how are we supposed to have faith in our election processes?
    That coupled with the movement towards accepting authoritarianism looks like excellent breeding ground for the further erosion of our civil-liberties.

  26. Lori—excellent reply.

    And, far more than just not stopping this behavior, I believe it was egged on. Flicking her off your shoulder and shoe after NC–the most juvenile act I have ever seen in politics. And the repeated pattern of letting the smears simmer for a few days, then renouncing them (like the RFK one).

    Sorry, but this is not someone that should be anywhere near a nuclear button.

  27. Don’t forget that there is one thing Obama and his followers fear beyond anything else – that Democrats will vote for McCain.

    If we are kept off balance and indecisive, our strength is diminished,

    As for being intimidated – Heck no. Won’t happen.

    PUMA
    NoDeal

  28. NObama!

  29. I have to say this also, I have never been more embarrassed to be a Democrat. To select a candidate with such a thin resume, and who exhibits such juvenile bahavior is bad enough, but the jack-booted, brown shirt tactics of his followers was the last straw for me. Just reminds me too much of GWB.

  30. Did I miss something incredibly stupid that Obama said today? Usually that’s when his “sweeties” show up with their drivel. Or maybe they just can’t help themselves. Being nasty and interjecting their point of view everywhere whether other parties are interested in it or not has become a very unpleasant habit.

  31. Come on everyone supporting Senator Clinton, I thought we all agreed a while back to admit we were all blatant racists!

    The Obama camp has a legitimate right to be mad at all of us. We kept Obama up past his bed time. We outted him as a “pathetic” orator. We outted his “pathetic” knowledge of economic, military, world affairs. We made him leave his Church and all of his terrorist friends. We questioned his purchasing a home at below market price from people that were known criminals. We have suggested that Michelle is not the sweet, subdued personality that he knows, but a hostile, militant, anti-American, anti-white racist. We watched him get insulted by tough questions from ABC news and then complained when he shot all of us and Hillary the finger. We complained when he participated in the rude, hostile misogyny directed towards Hillary and played the race card against Bill. We embarrassed him week after week, by continuing to vote for Hillary even after he and the Media declared him the winner. Now, we even have the audicity to suggest that he not change his position on our civil rights.

    Look, he put on the flag pin. He makes sure he has his hand over his heart even if the music is from “Funny Girl”. He demands that no one bring Michelle up as part of the campaign. He took all ethnic looking individuals out of camera shot, and threw everyone that looks or sounds bad under the bus!

    I don’t know about you, but I surely see the Leadership Skills needed to run the most powerful position in the world.

    Get with the Program!

  32. miriam, please refer to the previous announcement 2 posts down, “Puma’s response..” it applies to you as well

  33. Obama absolutely has a blogger crew. They were featured on a piece 60 minutes did of Obama. They showed them there tapping away at their computers. They had a strategy from the beginning to control the message online. To say that the vitriol is just some isolated crazy fanatic Obama supporter is the same as telling me Abu Grahib had nothing to do with Bush admin, Rumsfeld policy. No one had a smoking gun in that instance either, but all the evidence showed the smoke billowing if not the fire. This is the same as Obama’s race smear campaign. We saw the memo about Clinton’s comment and how they could be framed to be racist. It was during SC and on to Mississippi that the racist meme online was at its height. I hope everyone saw the youtube of the Obama supporter with remorse now that Obama went back on his word to take public financing. He also outlines how he thought the youtube clip of Obama’s speech on the matter was being manipulated by the campaign by spiking up the rating. He said that 71 thumbs up on a comment on a politcal speech is really something you don’t see. And a rating of 5 stars for the video.
    Obama campaign has a very ugly propaganda campagin going on, and it does not sit well with me. It seeks to crush opposing opinion by smear campaigns.

  34. my post for paula on my blog:

    http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/you-dont-fool-me-candidates-are-responsible-for-the-tone-of-their-campaigns/

    She’s got a response on hireheels and NoQuarter… go give her plenty of hugs and love and support, she really needs to know we have her back!!!!

  35. This *I* find a little odd:

    Janis, I’m not talking about Obama supporters — I’m talking about people who get really stirred up about race relations. The Hemings/Jefferson saga is a flashpoint for that sort of resentment. All it takes is a handful of pissed-off people and it can feel like a deluge.

    I don’t know how you can NOT get worked up about race relations. There are cities in the USA that are pretty much still racially segregated—practically everything in the USA, if not the world, impinges on race.

  36. Miriam is a fraud.

  37. mandos, that is why I find it so despicable for Obama to cynically use race and accusations of racisms for purely political purposes. How can that ever be justified?

  38. For me the litmus test is to check what black people think about it. Online I’ve heard mixed reviews, but at the ballot box, you know, the moment of truth…

  39. Mandos: check out the Black Agenda Report ….

  40. mandos, that’s a pretty broad litmus test. what “black people” are you canvassing? friends? family? And what exactly are you “testing” . It seems to me you are justifying what the Obama campaign did in tarring the Clinton’s as racists by pointing out how effective they were. That’s pretty dumb if you ask me.

  41. Give me a break. They are doing it right now. He just called Republicans racist at a rally in FL.

  42. in my e-mail, intrusive B0bot says:

    Sorry – she looks like a republican, she talks like a republican and lo and behold she’s on fox……………… the game will be rough, folks – so watch out for a lot of sheep’s clothing…………………”

    So….I guess this justifies the threats and harassment. It’s
    where their moral standards seem to be these days

  43. I’m aware of the Black Agenda Report. (What I was referring to by “online reviews”, partly.) I actually even agree with a lot of what they’re saying.

    mandos, that’s a pretty broad litmus test. what “black people” are you canvassing? friends? family? And what exactly are you “testing” . It seems to me you are justifying what the Obama campaign did in tarring the Clinton’s as racists by pointing out how effective they were. That’s pretty dumb if you ask me.

    People respond to these things when it somehow reflects the experience of their lives. I’m not willing to assume that black voters were duped in some way. Even if what Obama did to Clinton wasn’t fair.

  44. Mawm, on June 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm Said:
    Obama absolutely has a blogger crew. They were featured on a piece 60 minutes did of Obama. They showed them there tapping away at their computers. They had a strategy from the beginning to control the message online.

    Thanks. There was another article in philly.com, titled (IIRC), “I worked for Obama.” I never referred to the two article (the other, “I worked for Clinton”), since one was fawning on Obama, and the other nasty beyond belief on Clinton. However, it cut my eyes that the Obama piece mentioned many, many volunteers sitting at their computers and typing furiously. Try to guess what they were doing, other than using campaign resources for astroturf purposes, and pretending to be independent bloggers.

    And remember the shit sycophant-in-chief (MissLaura of dkos) tried to raise when she traced a couple of IP’s logging on her other website to a Clinton campaign?

    It’s like “oh, HRC campaign planted a question, saga.”

  45. “Pissed at what? Pissed for what reason? They stole a freaking election and disenfranchised several million people and got the hell away with it. What do THEY have to be angry about?”

    —————————

    They’re pissed that they might not win. Obama’s stategy is to win Mississippi. He’s going to register every black person in the state (40%?)He gave up on the middle class because he thinks they’re racists.

    His supporters know that’s not going to hack it. He needs the middle class, he needs PUMA, he needs every vote he can get against McCain.

    I think he’s going to go after the middle class through religion, which is just another stab in the heart to the Democratic party to me.

  46. Thank you, rd, for outing the tactics of his followers.

    OT – I was out of town for a few days. Is there a way to access your archives so I can catch up on what I missed while away.
    Thanks.

  47. Mandos, your last sentence is pretty much a definition of race baiting–playing on people’s real fears of past experiences of racism and then painting your opponents as racists(when in fact they are not) to manipulate their opinion. Are you suggesting that this never happens? Are you suggesting that by saying that black people may somehow be susceptible to these kind of abhorrent tactics is racist?? I think most people are generally trusting and that when they hear this kind of thing, not only from Obama, but from respected leaders of the black community like Clyburn, who turned out to be as much of a liar as any of them, that they tend to believe them. So yes, they were duped, its not that uncommon, and not racist to point out. If they were not, then give me another explanation for a 35 point drop in Hillary’s favorability among African Americans since June of last year. What else did she do to them?

  48. >i>Sorry – she looks like a republican, she talks like a republican and lo and behold she’s on fox……………… the game will be rough, folks – so watch out for a lot of sheep’s clothing
    How, pray tell, does someone look Republican?
    Was Paulie wearing a madras headband and a circle pin?
    I know I’m dating myself but, hey, I’m cheap and I’m easy.

  49. EEk, sorry about the tags-didn’t close for some reason.

  50. I mean, the most obvious thing that happened is that a black candidate turned out to be viable. I mean, you think he’ll lose, and actually I’m skeptical that he can get through these next N months myself. But, you can’t deny that no man with dark skin has ever come closer to the symbolic seat of power in the USA, at the very least.

    So you can see how people who might have been loyal Hillary voters might come to the “temptation” stage—to jump ship. It really is that important, and it isn’t stupid or dupe-like.

    Then all it takes is a little push. Racism is felt at ground level. If it looks like a few Clinton staffers may occasionally do something racially insensitive, it’s just the little push enough to get over feelings of loyalty to the Clintons. Emotionality in voting is not stupidity either.

  51. Mandos, on June 22nd, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Playing the race card was a part of the BO campaign. He even sent out a memo to the media of the words they should regard as racist. BO and his campaign have callled people that don’t support him racist. Do you believe the whole of WV and KY is racist? Asian americans were also called racist when they didn’t support him. He uses race to justify people not voting for him. http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/trashing-clinton-the-b0-official-campaign-strategy/

  52. Mandos, how Machiavellian of you. So you believe that the ends always justifies the means? Doesn’t that tarnish the reputation of African Americans with real records of achievement? I mean, I hate to say it, but I find your argument offensive and just a little patronizing. what I hear is “Black people will never be able to be President of their own accord, so we should try to cram one in, no matter how unqualified and corrupt he is, by any means necessary. And no, nobody said anything insensitive or out of the norm. The Obama team invented these charges out of whole cloth. As for your final statement, it reflects the deeply disturbing motivation of many Obama supporters. Voting with emotions is stupid in my opion. Look what it got us the last 8 years…Mr. “I’d like to have a beer with that guy”.

  53. also mandos, that poll I cited wasn’t about “jumping ship” it was a favorability poll. They could have decided to vote for Obama because he was viable, and they liked his policy, but they still could have held a favorable opinion of Hillary. There is no other reason for them to suddenly have such an unfavorable opinion of her. And its not any of the other CDS arguments out there, because in the 90’s African Americans were about the only constituency who seemed to be immune to it

  54. And one more thing and I’ll step down from my soap box. If you think that accusing people like me of racism (and it has happened, online and in the real world) is justifiable to get Obama elected, then prepare to reap what you have sown. By watering down real acts of racism by lumping me in with them, they are creating a legacy of sorrow for their own children. When charges of racism become so ubiquitous that they are meaningless, then we have truly lost the war to achieve racial harmony in this country

  55. Mandos,
    Unfortunately for O, we were raised under the guidance of a true leader who taught us to judge not on the color of skin but on “the content of character.” O has proven himself to be truly lacking in character by how he has run his campaign and by his poor choice of role models – i.e., Wright, Ayers, et al.

  56. Yes, I realize it sounds (and is) cynical.

    So, I speak from Canuckistani experience here. Overlapping the Clinton years in the USA, we had Jean Chrétien, and indeed multiple elections (as Canada does not have fixed terms). I didn’t care much for Jean Chrétien as such, but (thank god!!!) he at least kept us out of Iraq.

    But he stayed in power by mercilessly Swiftboating his opponents. He had to be an effective swiftboat generator, because much of the media was owned by his implacable enemy Conrad Black, who is presently in an American jail after a long trial in Chicago.

    And I’m glad he did do that. Because if he hadn’t we would have had *decent*, *sincere* men like Preston Manning and Stockwell Day running Canada, and we’d be knee deep in Baghdad blod. And when his party eventually abandoned him and went for the Unity Pony candidate, we now have the even scarier Stephen Harper running Canada.

    So, yes, it sounds Machiavellian, but at that level, you really have to put the “fair” and “not fair” behind you. Actually, one of my biggest problems with Obama is the Unity Pony. Whether he and his campaign really believes it is one thing, but that his followers seem to believe that politics can be clean and not like war scares me a little.

  57. This is typical of the obama camp and supporters. Look what they have done to Tavis Smiley. Stand strong and fear no one. I have had to do the same in the town I live in. I agree with one thing. No MONEY to OBAMA, THE DNC, OPRAH OR ANY PRODUCTS THAT SHE ENDORSES. THE MEDIA AND ADVERTISERS ON CNN, MSNBC ETC. We have the power, we just need to use it correctly. We Clinton supporters kept telling Hillary..”rise Hillary rise”. That is exactly what we need to do. We will rise above the hate and the threats. We will go to the convention. It is not all about race. It is about not falling in line for the chosen one. UGLY has no color…it is just UGLY.

    PUMA

  58. well then mandos, we are two profoundly different people….because when you start believing that your desired outcome is worth any immoral activity to reach, you most certainly will never reach that goal. fair and unfair as you put it, is just another way of saying just or injust. And injustice (or at least institutionalized injustice) is anathema to a mature, functioning democracy.

  59. What a “real act of racism” is is in fact still rather fraught. Cross-burning and racial slurs and job discrimination are the surface racism that a lot of people like to think, “Well, I don’t do that.”

    But the foundations of racism are still laid in the little things, often done by well-intentioned people.

    And yes, I realize that many white Obama supporters suffer from this mentality too. The difference is that they’re still voting for the black guy.

  60. Pissed at what? Pissed for what reason? They stole a freaking election and disenfranchised several million people and got the hell away with it. What do THEY have to be angry about?”

    Perhaps we Obama supporters are just a wee bit tired of this delusional nonsense you all just seem to love to bandy about. Winning more than 100 more pledged delegates and the popular votes ( in the elections certified by the DNC and folks like Harold Ickes— i.e. the elections when all candidates had their name on the ballot.) does not a stolen election make. I know it is emotionally gratifying for you to make that charge but the facts, “sweetie,” are not on your side. And if you want to talk disenfranchisement, talk to the flippin’ DNC, including your beloved Mr Harold Ickes, because they made the rules. You all are like a team that lost a baseball game and decide that foul balls should count too.

    Now, as to racism in this season, how can you possibly say that the voters surveyed on camera in Kentucky and West Virginia who explicitly said they would not vote for a black candidate are not racist? Are you really comfortable having them as your partners in this short-sighted havoc you trying to foment?

    I am not sure how many here know their history, but your Puma movement reminds me of some of the suffragettes’ reactions to the 15th amendment in 1870 which gave black men (and only black men) the right to vote. Rather than seeing this incredible stride forward in the progress of political equality as harbinger of their movement’s own progress, many suffragettes opposed black men getting the right to vote and offered some racist rhetoric at times to support their case.

    I am not suggesting that most or perhaps any of you are racist or feel antipathy towards Obama because he is black. I think many of you would be acting this way no matter who the candidate that bested Sen. Clinton was. However, like the suffragettes, I see a lack of long-term vision in your actions and rhetoric that not only is diminishing the Dem. party but also feminism.
    .

  61. I always did prefer “we shall overcome” to “by any means necessary” myself

  62. Mandos, I don’t buy we need a strong man dictator to protect us from the strong arm dictators argument.

  63. well then mandos, we are two profoundly different people….because when you start believing that your desired outcome is worth any immoral activity to reach, you most certainly will never reach that goal. fair and unfair as you put it, is just another way of saying just or injust. And injustice (or at least institutionalized injustice) is anathema to a mature, functioning democracy.

    Not worth “any”. Not worth criminal behaviour. But in a world in which people who definitely do NOT believe in fairness are choosing your politics for you, you have to be prepared to do a little judo, as it were.

    I say this as someone who is rather Naderish in mentality and doesn’t blame Nader voters as such.

  64. I’ll keep this short and sweet: Awesome!

  65. mandos, I’m done arguing with you now. I find your views sophomoric and frighteningly anti-democratic. Your last sentence is particularly disturbing. If you have bought Obama’s argument that the mere act of electing him will “cure” racism in this country I have a bridge in brooklyn you might be interested in. We are already beginning to see the disastrous results of this mentality. People feel free to express racist attitudes and then justify it by saying “I’m not racist, I voted for Obama”. I hope that some day you will recognize how dangerous that is and regret the stance you take today.

  66. Mandos, I love your idealistic stand on the constitution and flag burning juxstaposed with your moral relativism to the Obama smear campaigns. This your new liberal progressive movement at work.

    Everything old is new again.

    Its really simple. It is called hypocrisy.

  67. THIS ARTICLE WONDERFULLY SUMMARIZES WHY WE MUST ALL ‘GET BUSY’ TO ENSURE THAT OBAMA IS NOT ELECTED, INCLUDING MAKING IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO HILLARY WHY WE CAN’T ACCEPT OBAMA AS THE NOMINEE AND WILL NOT FOLLOW HER LEAD ON THIS; IF NOT HILLARY, THEN MCCAIN IT MSUT BE! OUR COUNTRY DEPENDS ON IT!

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3576

  68. mandos, I’m done arguing with you now. I find your views sophomoric and frighteningly anti-democratic. Your last sentence is particularly disturbing. If you have bought Obama’s argument that the mere act of electing him will “cure” racism in this country I have a bridge in brooklyn you might be interested in. We are already beginning to see the disastrous results of this mentality. People feel free to express racist attitudes and then justify it by saying “I’m not racist, I voted for Obama”. I hope that some day you will recognize how dangerous that is and regret the stance you take today.

    I haven’t bought any such argument. I said that white people who believe that voting for a black person will cure racism suffer from a racist mentality themselves. But, we were talking about black voters. If I were a black voter (I’m dark brown in colour, but not African-American), I’m saying that it would still be an intelligent position for me to take to look at two groups of white people and ally myself with the one that’s going to vote for the black person.

    I’m talking about the condescending attitude that I see towards black voters here, that they were so easily duped.

    I myself entirely respect the refusal to vote for Obama. I am not arguing that you should vote for him at all.

  69. Mandos, I love your idealistic stand on the constitution and flag burning juxstaposed with your moral relativism to the Obama smear campaigns. This your new liberal progressive movement at work.

    There is no contradiction here. I do happen to believe that the political machinations are not that important (as they happen on a steeply tilted playing field), but the underlying politics is.

    My objection to the flag-burning business was that it was, first and foremost, long-term bad politics to feed the meme regarding flag-symbols. And it weakened other principled arguments to do with actual political accomplishments. Not that I think that Clinton’s attempt to defuse the Republican political bomb was wrong in itself.

  70. What do Canadians know about American race relations anyway? Seems to me they live in ahuge country of 20 million, and we have 15 times that amount. Easy to sit back in your hegemonous world up there. Come to Eastern NC below the mason-dixon line, and I’ll show you real racists. I’ll also show you the people Obama has smeared as racists who have worked for civil rights for many years. The full damage to race relations this campaign has done has yet to be seen.

  71. Hey, Mandos. Got bored since being thrown off Twisty’s blog and come to pull a few pigtails elsewhere?

  72. I’ve lived in a rather segregated American city for few years now, in the black part. No, that does not give me special insight into *black* lives and politics. But it does give me a general awareness of the issues themselves, I’d like to think.

  73. It’s called sophism.

  74. sorry charles, I’ve been wondering that myslef…

  75. i mean myself. my slef….well that’s another story altogether.

  76. Hey, Mandos. Got bored since being thrown off Twisty’s blog and come to pull a few pigtails elsewhere?

    It wouldn’t have mattered anyway because she eventually stopped posting. I like to think that it’s because without me, the blog became boring and repetitive. You can’t deny that 90% of the people who wrote there were “me too” posters.

  77. Can’t we ever be free of these people? What in God’s name do they want from us? First “Miriam,” then Kate or KatieM calling it “censorship” to prevent thread highjacking–and now Mandos. Don’t you Obamabots ever take a day off? Do you ever take a deep breath and actually look at what you precious candidate DOES and SAYS and how those things don’t match?

    Whatever. I’m sick of your tiresome talking points. I’ve heard them all a million times and so have the rest of the Pumas. We just don’t care what you think. You blew it. You threw away millions of votes. Deal with it. Get over it. And get out of here.

  78. Talk about boring and repetitive. Look in the mirror, “Mandos.” Or tape yourself pontificating and then listen to yourself. But be warned, you may need a serious caffeine infusion to stay awake.

  79. Whose fault was it.? Who linked to this ego’s blog anyway?

  80. They love to look at whose linking to them and come and make it all about them.

  81. Gary,

    Maybe RD should put a link the the “Puma’s response” at the top of the page. Then we can direct all the threadjackers and reasoning challenged commenters to it.

  82. bboomer, that would be awesome. then we could just refer them there.

  83. With mandos and his kind it is all about their egos.

  84. Fair enough. I *would* request that my last direct response to Gary be unmodded.

    Don’t you Obamabots ever take a day off? Do you ever take a deep breath and actually look at what you precious candidate DOES and SAYS and how those things don’t match?

    I’m curious. For which viable presidential candidate in the past 30 years has this actually not be true of? Hillary Clinton?

    I can’t vote anyway but FWIW if *I* could have voted, I’d have preferred to vote for Clinton over Obama. Nevertheless, I think that a lot of the critiques of Obama’s supporters, particularly black voters, are off-base.

  85. Charles: Go to your dashboard. Look to the top right corner. Click on the “Settings” link. Go to the “Discussion” tab. Scroll down about half way. You wlll find two places where you can add entries. The first allows you to add a list of words that you find objectionable and which will trigger a comment to go to the moderation queue for your approval, The second one right underneath the first, allows you to add usernames, email addresses, URLs and IP addresses for posters that you want to send to spam, never to be heard from again. Be careful how you make your entry because if you add a user like susan@yahoo.com and only put “susan” in the spam filter, than everyone named susan will be dumped there. So, be specific. Good luck and tell me how it goes.

  86. Obama is the issue, the only issue (i.e., he is an unqualified incompetent); all thinking americans are beginning to see this (no thanks the the lame-stream media) and will NOT vote for him in November, thank goodness!

  87. i’ll go check it out now. btw, never got an email so I can leave comments….

  88. Mandos is the same blogger who ridiculed Bostonboomer last week regarding the symbol of the flag.

  89. wow. so fragile and hypersensitive to criticism he’s still monitoring the comments section days later.

  90. Mandos-

    I find your grasp on Canadian politics lacking. I’m also a Canadian, living in the States, and there was very little about Chretien that was even remotely akin to this situation. A little backdoor funding to his hometown? Sure. The king of the Brokerage party? Absolutely. But the Liberals/Conrad Black stuff is totally unlike what’s going on here. It’s just a bad damn analogy.

    There are enormous cultural differences between Canada and the US. I don’t think you’re seeing them or their relevance. It might be why your rhetoric regarding race relations is so heavy-handed.

  91. “I don’t know how you can NOT get worked up about race relations. There are cities in the USA that are pretty much still racially segregated—practically everything in the USA, if not the world, impinges on race.”

    First, most black people don’t care about the attitudes of whites as long as it does not infringe upon their liberties. Voting for someone black won’t end racism in this society because the racism that at the end of the effects peoples lives is entrenched, institutionalized racism. And, that takes policy.

    Further, your statement is even more true for gender. See,we actually live in a patriarchy, and that is not just so here, but all over the world. Even in homoginious nations, women are still almost universely not full participants in society. And, where you find the greatest degree of women as the underclass, you find the most extremist, the most evil, the most corruption. So, if this is the excuse for jumping ship as you seem to think it is, it’s a weak one.

  92. Bottom line – Obama has hurt race relations in this country.

    The general wisdom is the first black/female candidate will have to be a Republican. I hope that’s not true. But one thing’s I do believe – Colin Powell would not have played the race card.

  93. I know several black people who admit to casting a vote for Obama simply based on his race. Nothing more. They have no idea what he stands for, what policies he promotes, are not concerned that his resume is thin enough to read through or that his lack of experience is troubling. He is black and that is all they care about.

    So please, hold off any lectures that we Hillary supporters are just too blind and stubborn to get behind Obama. Address your questions to those people who are racially biased because he is viewed as “one of us”.

  94. katie M. please refer to the “puma’s response..” post. thank you!

  95. Kate M

    bye!

  96. Katie M: Since you are so struck on the integrity issue answer me this: While his constituents were freezing their asses off in Chicago because Rezko, a huge contributor and buddy of Obama, failed to carry out his promise with local and federal funds at his disposal to improve their plight, where was Obama”

    Did he call him out? Object to the living conditions? Ask for an auditing of where the money was going? Show any moral courage to correct the situation?

    He went on being friends with Rezko right up to the indictments and the buying of that house. Does this bother you at all? Remember: Whatever you do for the least of my brothers thus you do unto me. Did Obama practice this or was that a passage left uncovered by the radical church declaiming whitey’s sins??

  97. kenoshaMarge, I think it was the “seal” thing and the “Hey FISA isn’t so bad” comments, it’s pulling the obats out of the woodwork everywhere.

  98. What is with these people? Do they think they are the only ones capable of sounding moral authority? Do they honestly believe what they are offering up is an argument?

    Label it for what it is: opinion. Not fact, opinion. Attempting to elevate Barack Obama at the expense of Hillary Clinton means that you are on a fool’s mission.

    He is a fraud. A master manipulator. A proverbial race baiter. Nothing could persuade me to vote for him and coming here to insert that nonsense is nothing short of offensive. Is there one of us on this blog that could easily be turned into an Obama supporter? Doubtful.

  99. Katie M. has never been here before unless it was under another name. And she wants to tell us how to run our blog and that we aren’t interested in real discussion. It’s certainly clear to me that we Pumas don’t agree with each other on everything. We agree on one thing. We don’t want Obama anywhere near the WH.

    Just once, I wish one of these threadjackers would come here and give some REAL, affirmative reasons why THEY support Obama. I will never vote for him, but I’d like to know why these people did. But all they ever do is threaten, whine, and cry about the Supreme Court and how Hillary is a monster. It’s very boring to me at this point.

  100. Miriam, if “All it takes is a handful of pissed-off people” you would think The Obama would have gotten the message from the thousands of “pissed-off people” telling him to get lost .

  101. Pat Johnson, on June 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm Said:

    Label it for what it is: opinion. Not fact, opinion. Attempting to elevate Barack Obama at the expense of Hillary Clinton means that you are on a fool’s mission.

    This is one thing the “knights of the living dead” have learned from the right wingnuts. For instance, if you call one of them uninformed, they reply by saying, “Well, such-and-so is stupid too.”

    Hint: That reply doesn’t make you any smarter or more well-informed.

    Just watch it — they do it all the time, the Brazile Nut is the most frequent employer of the tactic.

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  103. Right, that is why they kept inserting Bill Clinton into every argument or question about Obama. It gets tiring. Like listening to a 5 yr old whine, “what about him?”

    Somebody on another blog is mentioning that Robert Novak has admitted that one of his “valuable” sources for reporting was none other than Tim Russert! They were trying to track down the source on the net. Surprise, surprise!

  104. “Somebody on another blog is mentioning that Robert Novak has admitted that one of his “valuable” sources for reporting was none other than Tim Russert”

    Doesn’t this count as incest, or something like it?

  105. I read the article where Novak said that he got “tips” from Russert. Without question D.C. is a cesspool and the reason these people have a soapbox is because they are floaters.

    Just the number of connections with VF was amazing or the number of connections to BZero’s campaign. There is no distance between ears and mouths in D.C., it is one big bloviating orifice.

  106. Mandos:

    The litmus test on racism is racism.

    Was there some discrimination based on race? Not “did someone think there was discrimination based on race?”

    You’re entitled to your own opinion but you’re not entitled to your own facts.

    Hillary did not run a racist campaign, nor are her supporters racist.

    Period.

  107. Yup, these guys all go to the same church, market, dinner parties, baptisms, weddings, and on and on. Just another lesson on how our MSM manipulates and shapes.

    I at first thought that Bob Somerby and Anglachel were a little insensitive to Tim last week. Now I understand completely. He may have been a great Dad and husband but he was just another high profile opportunist when it came to speaking truth to power.

  108. They are entrenched.

  109. Miriam:

    Would you argue that the Holocaust wasn’t Hitler’s fault, it was just some of his overzealous followers?

    Were the Jews equally to blame?

    The intimidation and abuse in this campaign have been almost entirely one-sided, and I only say “almost” on the chance that some Hillary supporters may have acted improperly, although I haven’t seen evidence of it.

  110. A good debater has to be knowledgeable and know both sides of the argument. Otherwise he is at the mercy of his opponent who has it covered. There are always two sides to every story and knowing only one puts one at a disadvantage.

    Like a prosecuter and a defense attorney: each is aware of the position set forth by the opposing counsel when they make their closing arguments. Their job is to persuade.

    Screaming down the opposition with racist taunts is illustrative of one who is basically unprepared and unwilling to weigh each side. Ignorance is bliss.

  111. Massdem about to talk on live radio about PUMA:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/06/22/NO-WE-WONT

  112. Well, heck, I had no idea I was a racist, either — it took Obamanation to tell me I was.

    (I wonder what they’re going to call me if I end up voting for Cynthia McKinney? Oh, wait, silly me — I’ll default to misandrist again.)

  113. Sapphocrat: They will find a label for you; just you wait and see. It is just another excuse put out there to explain away his faults. It is not him, it is us.

  114. If Obama were running against Bush, they would have crucified him for using a faux presidential seal. Again, I’m not watching any coverage but for god sakes if Kerry or Gore did something as lame as that we would be hearing about it 24/7.

  115. Obama is getting a pass all over the place. It reeks to high heaven. Both he and McCain deserve all the negativity they earn but most of it has been reserved for McCain.

    Ayres, Rezko, Rev Wright, Farrakhan, the church’s ideology, the flip flopping, the unwarranted abuse of the word “race” inflicted into every conversation, the PUMAs, the little lies that don’t quite add up, the thin resume, the lack of overall experience. All given a free pass.

    Attach anyone of the above questionable attributes to Hillary and they would have fried her in oil. Yet he minces through with no effort.

    You have to wonder.

  116. The BO seal was lame. It was very unPresidential and it makes you think if he will use his own seal instead of the official. What were they thinking?!

  117. What they are thinking is that they have this thing sewn up tight. Because they are making every effort to tie McCain to Bush they believe that Obama, if nothing else, will be able to squeeze out an electoral college victory based on ageism and that connection.

    They have decided that the country is ready for “change” and he is the guy they have slipped through. The arrogance and overreaching grab for power is relentless. Remember how they wanted him to make his “acceptance” speech the night of the last primary?

    Power and strength belongs to those who can make you believe they have it. This is what you are witnessing. The more they proclaim victory the easier it is to convince you that he has won. Sickening but effective.

  118. Quite simply it is the Bush 2000 philosophy with the FL recount. Act as if you have won thereby putting Gore on the defensive.

    Axelrude has taken his playbook from Rove. Winning is the goal and intellectual integrity be damned. If you look at the back half-gainers BZero has nailed in the last weeks you wonder how the media get their blinders to stay on so tightly — I’m thinking nail guns.

    We heard 24/7 about Bosnia, but little more than a whimper when BZero’s gestation period was something over 4 years after the march on the bridge where his parents supposedly met. Then his uncle single-handedly defeating Hitler. Then NAFTA. Then Jerusalem. Then public financing. Now FISA.

    As my grandfather used to say, “He’s nothing but a fart in a whirlwind.”

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  120. Nobama, weren’t you the ones justsaynodeal asked not to link from?

  121. The fact is if Obama was all that he pretends to be his followers wouldn’t behave as they do. He would condemn their behavior in strong terms.

    What man fit to be president would countenance such behavior? Do you think if people had done such things during Bill Clinton’s campaigns that he wouldn’t have reamed them royally? Big Dawg may not be perfect but he’s a man, damnit. And MEN don’t allow their followers to threaten or intimidate people who simply support another candidate.

    And I am also heartily sick of hearing about people that are “nice”. Tim Russert was “nice”. IMHO “nice” people don’t behave they way that Russert did. I hope that somewhere up above a higher power is playing a whole lot of little “gotcha” moments from his life for Tim.

    Dead people don’t achieve some kind of sainthood to me unless they “earned” it by living a good, honest, worthy life. Russert don’t even come close.

    And how funny is it that apparently Olbermaniac and Tweety were jockeying for the MTP job before the body even cooled down. But that’s all right cause other than playing hatchet men on teevee I’m sure they’re really “nice” guys. Not!

  122. That seal is a propaganda tool – oh, look mind, he’s presidential. Obama is following the Bush playbook page by page.

    And it worked against Hillary. He claimed he won by winning one-half the pledged delegates plus one – that worked with the democratic leadership just like Bush claiming in Florida, “I won the first count, I won the second count” worked with the Supreme Court.

  123. River daughter I can tell you how to do this if you need help …

    I can also help you get a paypal donate button if you want to take donations for this site and up your bandwidth …

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  124. that would be help you link to the no obama network

  125. Let me try this again.
    I posted earlier that while it is awful, but well documented that many people are falsely labeled racist for their suppory of Hillary Clinton, it is just as painful to those of us black people who support her to be called “race traitors.”
    Perhaps I said it inartfully, but for some reason it wasn’t posted.

  126. josgirl – certain words cause the site software to hold up a comment for moderation.. that’s why.. it’s automatic. the site moderators will go through and release comments that aren’t offensive, but it just depends on when one of them is online and has the time to do that.

  127. riverdaughter, see all of us pumatypes over here aren’t! — we also like everybody, regardless of sexual prefs, religious prefs, race and whatever else you want to add.

    they (Axelrod & Co.) in their savage target marketing campaign tried to break up the Dems on purpose! It may have worked in the beginning for them, but, now it is collapsing underneath them as we speak — especially as regards how he wanted to “place” the two Muslim women out of the camera’s eye.

    that camp is all about trying to kennedyesque itself into the power slot and I see them as you do — brutal, unethical, ruthless — it will all come out, day by day I expect.
    even my gay teacher friend over at HD post has a piece about it, and you can read Lin Farley as well over at Savage Politics — even I wrote a piece some months ago about his fundraising in LA in that community –but then? NQ had a piece about his refusing to pose with Gavin Newsom — SF’s mayor!

    the way I see it? It has all been about just take the money and run for those guys — in the web, in the press on the web, amongst their pals and so forth — my gen? Half are straight and the others gay — we all know each other and love each other, always have, since high school —

    Who is the real racist and sexist? It wasn’t Hillary and I bet it isn’t McCain. In fact just today I learned his hero is Colin Powell!
    (he is one of my heroes too)

    !

    anyway, we know who we are and let’s just bask our asses off in it!
    there was a piece at Pajamas media on how hios whole staff was like “get us more white people” christ….. shouldn’t the people want to come to the candidates because they like the value systems like we had with Hillary? You had a piece on that once. We saw what his value system was when we saw Wright and Brazile as far as I am concerned. He may have done a fab job at transcending the “middle classness” he was told to, but, where is the heart?

    That’s my question. Actions speak a lot louder than words, in here and out there.

  128. ps: for Delphyne above— funny but I just bought a copy of Whalerider! It’s one of my faves in the whole world. This is about WHALERIDER! yes, it is!

  129. josgirl, the r word is a triger word that will send you to moderation (because it’s obviously included in a lot of Oborg canned talking point spam). You can use dashes instead of spelling out the whole word to avoid it.

  130. I meant ‘trigger,’ I can spell, just not type. 🙂

  131. dak: I am not interested in ads. I also already belong to one coalition and don’t want to dilute its strength with another.

  132. Miriam:

    You can’t win discussions around here by showing up the next day and posting some crap, thinking that will give you the last word.

    The intimidation and abuse has been a consistent feature of the Obama campaign, and although he hasn’t personally participated, he’s never disowned it or tried to stop it.

    Hillary and her supporters have done nothing similar.

  133. No Miriam, we’re not talking about the media coverage.

    We’re talking about the intimidation and abuse of Hillary supporters and/or Obama critics, in the blogosphere, in caucuses, and elsewhere.

    This post is about Paulie Abeles who has been hounded and threatened by Obama supporters.

    Nothing comparable has been reported regarding Obama supporters and/or Hillary critics. If you have any examples to contradict that, please state.

  134. Miriam,

    What a shill you are. You mention that Obama can’t control his supporters, but then describe how he controlled them by telling them not to go the RBC meeting.

    He has already signalled from his speech in FL that he will continue to play the race card against McCain. Even now, I can’t express myself anywhere on non PUMA sites without being called a rcaist. This comes directly from camp Obama. Obama is a smear artist, and is allowed to get away with it because of a fawning press and kool-aide drinking supporters like you.

  135. Since when were death threats par for the course when you take a political stance? Is this the change we have been waiting for?

    Sounds like bannana republic politics to me.

  136. Has Donna Brazile been subjected to death threats? Have her family members been threatened, like Paulie’s and Tavis Smiley’s?

    Of course Obama claims to have no control over these people, it’s called “plausible deniability”

    If these are the people who support him, he doesn’t deserve my vote.

    BTW – I’ll invoke Godwin again and point out that these tactics are similar to the SA “Brownshirts” that supported Hitler.

    The only difference is that violence isn’t possible through the internet. But intimidation is.

  137. Looks like the janitor cleaned up the mess Miriam made.

    Thank you!

  138. Miriam:

    Blah blah blah.

    Buh-bye now!

  139. I was told to go squat in a corner by some Obama supporter simply for leaving this post, which I found on a BBC blog on another blog:

    I ran for office in Hawaii and won the Democratic Primary in 2004. Having done so, I learned a lot about Hawaiian politics and I met Obama in Waikiki in 2006. He appeared incredibly immature from what I saw when he though nobody was watching. I met people who demonstrated to me how “things are planned out years in advance” and he acted in a way that he knew what was to happen.

    The USA press and, to a slighter degree, the World Press is incredibly biased in favor of Obama, even the BBC writer here. The “machine” owns the press and is heavily behind Obama. Could this be because Clinton truly wants to bring Universal Healthcare to he USA and they know, if elected, she will have a mandate to do so ? Especially considering that is the reason the machine went after her husband’s Presidency starting back in 1993/4 , when he put her in charge of doing exactly this, that is bringing Universal Healthcare to America !!!

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