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Eat Me!

The heat is on. The DNC and Howard Dean especially is playing the villain, putting Hillary on the hot seat, pressuring her to give up her delegates. For what purpose? Is it because:

1.) There is a slim, infinitesimally small possibility that the pledged delegates and superdelegates will snap out of their psychogenic fugue sometime in August and realize they are not Republicans? “Oh, Shit! We almost nominated the wrong guy. He’s like sooooo not ready. What did you slip me?  Rohypnol?  F%^&!  I can’t believe you talked me into this guy.”

2.) The Clinton delegates will harsh everyone’s mellow over the platform and insist on Universal healthcare and social security protection? “Who invited those “losers” to the party? They’re all like into working class stuff. They’ve probably never even been to a Whole Foods” (Come to think of it, I’ve never been to a Whole Foods. Does Wegman’s count?)

3.) The Obamaphiles and their DNC enablers really are as rabid as we thought? “The evil one and her minions must learn to SMELL THE GLOVE! Down on your knees, you stupid old, uneducated, Sino-Peruvian lesbians. There is no hope for you. You will live in an America devoid of any place for you. Worship us and DESPAIR! And do it quickly, we don’t have a whole lot of time here.”

Ehhh, I’m going with all of the above.

But we don’t negotiate with terrorists. We’ll see what the O-borg has to offer and if it does not meet our standards (and it’s about time *someone* starts holding him to a set of standards), the party will be notified on November 4th.

😉

BTW, I have noticed that the Obama and/or GOP trolls are lame in the dark and rude, snarky, sardonic wit category. So, I plan to bring in an expert to show them how to insult us properly. He’s French so it may take a few days of discussion, arguing, pros, cons, angst, philosophizing and a few Gallic shrugs before he condescends to treat us rudely. I look forward to it in a very Marquis de Sade kind of way.

Er sorry about the whole sidebar thingy going missing for a few hours. I’m not sure what to attribute that to except that we have been getting hit pretty hard in the past couple of days with hits from various refugees. It could be that our cache cups runneth over. The good news is that I think I fixed it! The bad news is that if you wrote some brilliant comment that should have been saved for all eternity, it may have been lost in the series of toobz. My sincerest apologies. But we should reach 1 MILLLION hits sometime very soon! (Imagine Dr Evil with pinky poised at the crook of my smile) Maybe I should open a PayPal link for a 50/50 pool. The user that comes closest to the day/time to the millionth hit takes half the prize. The other half gets forwarded to Clinton’s campaign to help her settle her debt. Lemme know in the comments if this sounds intriguing.

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340 Responses

  1. I joined PUMA (Party Unity My Ass)
    http://blog.pumapac.org/

  2. RD: kudos for the Spinal Tap reference.

    This relentless drive to squash even the remotest, faintest, slightest possibility of dissent at the convention is truly revolting. There have ALWAYS been floor fights of some kind at the convention, usually concerning the platform. This is especially true where there was a significant challenger.

    It is very telling that Obama’s supporters feel the need to protect him from absolutely anything and everything.

  3. No Quarter has a post re: HRC not giving up her delegates that explains what might be happening.
    I can post the link if anyone’s interested.
    It’s also on Clintondems.
    That’s where I found you guys.

  4. Obama and his Party (the DNC) resemble W more and more every day.

  5. Greenconsciousness: Welcome to The Confluence. Although we are PUMA proud, we are not officially associated with any organized effort. This may change.

  6. It will be the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s speech. NOTHING is going to stop the media show. They want it to be all goodness and light and soaring teleprompter rheteric and they are certainly not going to let the evil step-mother anywhere near the spectacle.

    They might put a cross on the podium though.

  7. I saw that TM tried to spin the whole “released delegates” as her stupid readers overreacting to her careless use of a word in a stupid blog. classy….

  8. I believe that if Hillary gets to speak at the convention she will steal the show away from Reverend “I Lie Like I Breathe”

  9. Does anybody else cry over this? Am I being a big baby? I’m heartbroken and creeped out.

  10. Hey RD,

    Talk about snarky check out these imposters:

    http://www.pumaparty.com/

  11. regency: which is why the only slot left in the schedule is right after Obama’s 6th grade teacher at 3:20am.

  12. Gary: Taylor Marsh’s post upset me so much I almost lost control.

  13. katie I know, its so disturbing…it really is like the pod people.

  14. So, I plan to bring in an expert to show them how to insult us properly.

    I thought it would be Donna Brazile …

    Re: PayPal. Hate PayPal. But I’ll send something HRC’s way on the millionth hit.

  15. Here’s my recommendation for TM.

    Just ignore the site completely. Obscurity is the best revenge. It was a nowhere site before she started her ‘Clinton advocacy.’ Let it return from whence it came.

  16. I’ve never been to a Whole Foods either, but then again in my neck of the woods we’re still bitter and clinging to our guns.

    I think the PayPal 50/50 sounds like a great idea.

  17. What hlr says.

  18. LORI – I think I’m beyond crying. If Clinton really has to fight to get democratic principles like health care and social security in the platform, it’s time to move on to the angry stage.

    Today a friend bought me a Puma visor. My husband is county chair and I plan to wear it every time I have to venture into the democratic office. So on to the ‘in your face’ stage.

  19. Here’s that post from NQ on the rumor of her releasing her delegates is FALSE. A delegate has this to say in part:

    … Mary Boergers, a former Maryland State Senator and a pledged Clinton delegate.

    [..] “So to me the strategy is clear. The Obama folks want to try and prevent us from nominating Hillary at the convention and voting for her at the convention. We need to STOP this. Historically losing candidates always have their names put into nomination, give a great speech and then there is a roll call vote. The presumptive nominee gets the majority and then there may be a call to make it unanimous.

    We need to make sure that people are aware of this procedure. Once again the Obama people are trying to change the rule of the game, pretending that they were always the rules in order to push Hillary aside. We must keep them from succeeding.”

    (my emph) This is correct and they can huff and puff all they want. Hillary has more than every right to bring it to Denver. And we’re going to make sure they know that she does. They seem to forget we’ll be shoving the truth down their throats all summer long. Throw the Obots a kiddy pool safety float right now, they’re going to need it for the tidal waves coming their way.

  20. Hey I’ve never been in a Whole Foods either. Does Publix count? It’s the raaaage here in FL.

    Athough I do most of my grocery shopping in Cuban bodegas around my neighborhood. No Arugula.

  21. whole foods isn’t that bad, but a trader joe’s just opened here and it is obamaland (even more so than the rest of chapel hill)

  22. DefeatoCrat Taylor Marsh is deranged. Don’t look at her garbage scow of a blog.

    She lies so much, she can’t keep her own stories straight.

    GO PUMA!

  23. I think its great the PUMA idea is spreading. We shouldn’t try to control it and let the word spread far and wide.

    As long as credit goes to SM in wikipedia and/or this blog for the original idea, I think we should be happy.

  24. Lori, I want to cry all the time. I feel like we’ve gone through the looking glass. What’s worse is that the world of political blogs is really pretty small. A lot of what is so questionable about Obama doesn’t really get out unless the MSM chooses to do so. Of course, any criticism is minimized.

    Katiebird, I left Taylor Marsh because of her instant change of heart. She’s a business person and she’s always made it clear that her blog was part of her effort to get a regular radio show. I understand her need to keep her blog in a political space to maximize hits. I appreciated her commitment to making a safe space for Clinton supporters to comment. That said, I agree that we should not support (through our hits) blogs that do not represent principles that are important to us. Unlike DK, TPM and other Obama-zones, I don’t have any harsh feelings about TM. I’m just sad.

  25. storm coming. Lights are out. Brook is following me from room to room. She’s afraid to be alone with her flashlight. Wifi is dead.
    ATT still up but probably recording every keystroke.
    It’s dark and scary.

  26. riverdaughter, on June 10th, 2008 at 8:17 pm Said:
    Greenconsciousness: Welcome to The Confluence. Although we are PUMA proud, we are not officially associated with any organized effort. This may change.

    YES!!!! You already know how I feel about this. Rock it Riverdaughter, you have all of us with you.

    The Rebel Alliance is forming!

  27. It’s going to be a huge mistake to try and turn her into a non-entity at the convention and pretend the Clinton years didn’t happen. I can see it coming though – it’s what they’re gonna do. They’re gonna pressure her to release her delegates and not give a speech. And any mention of the 90s will be verboten.

    I hope this million woman march happens. I have this idea that we should all show up for the march dressed in our work attire – you know. waitresses for Clinton, Nurses For Clinton, Ladies Who Lunch For Clinton, Housewives For Clinton, Car Mechanics For Clinton, Physicians For Clinton, Ballerinas For Clinton, Belly Dancers For Clinton, Child Care Workers For Clinton, Cranky Old Ladies With Flowers In Their Hair For Clinton – on and on. Let’s give ’em somethin’ to look at rather than just a whole lotta people in blue jeans and tshirts.

  28. Arabella: I do not particularly care for TM web site. I find some of her postings interesting others, not so much. However, I do not know if I would call her a liar.

    Just my opinion.

  29. Trader Joe’s is the best. Every now and then you can find a superb bottle of wine for under $5. Unfortunately, they always stop carrying the bottle when you go back for more. Sigh. Very veggie friendly, too.

  30. Arabella Trefoil: garbage scow of a blog

    LOL.

    Shez – Mary Boergers, a former Maryland State Senator and a pledged Clinton delegate.

    Yeah, she’s a serious HRC supporter.

    The MD pledged delegate who flipped before the primaries ended is from the neighboring county and a known scoundrel. I have to hope that most pledged dels for HRC got vetted better than the flipper.

  31. Charles, I wanted to commend you on your Code Pink article at No Quarter.

    It’s shameful how Code Pink turned into a corrupt laughingstock.

  32. How about a MILLION-PUMA MARCH-TO DENVER IN AUGUST? We could start promoting it; sign up people and really put the fear into the Dem Leadership. Imagine a million puma-visor-wearing people at the convention site?

  33. Trader Joe’s has this great artichoke heart antipasto. I make homemade bread, toast it, and slather on a generous amount of the antipasto.

    O my gawl, it’s almost as good as an Obama rally.

  34. Taylor Marsh’s terribly titled post was completely irresponsible and very infuriating. My heart sank when I saw it. Thankfully, the awesome folks at No Quarter rushed to counter the rumor. TM has lost some serious credibility.

  35. SM: Not just a laughing stock, a stupidly uninformed laughing stock.

  36. WS, on June 10th, 2008 at 8:41 pm Said:
    I think its great the PUMA idea is spreading. We shouldn’t try to control it and let the word spread far and wide.

    As long as credit goes to SM in wikipedia and/or this blog for the original idea, I think we should be happy.

    Not “or” – it’s a big fat “AND” because thanks to Riverdaughter’s manifesto & Murphy’s PAC, it became “the movement.” And of course, Miss Arabella for the lovely PUMA Uniforms!

  37. Teresa, WHAT FRIGGIN KILLS ME is that they started out awesome. That photo with Condi Rice and the woman with the bloody hands was PHENOMENAL. It only should have gotten more solid from there.

  38. Taylor’s site is a business. Democrat first and reality second. You couldn’t seriously believe that she wouldn’t back the Democratic candidate. What other choice does she have? It would be like Hannity not backing the Republican candidate. It’s sad when party comes before country.

  39. I hope you guys won’t hate me, but I love Whole Foods. It was better before Whole Foods took over, we had chain of stores called Bread & Circus. WF kept it pretty much the same, except more commercial. I had been shopping at B&C for years and years. Even before it became B&C it was a macrobiotic grocery store called Erewhon. I’ve been shopping at those same stores since the 1960s. So please don’t hate me. I don’t like Trader Joe’s as much, but there is one near me and it’s cheaper than WF.

  40. We don’t acquiesce to hijackers’ demands. There is no way she should release her delegates. It has never been done historically and if and when they force her to agree, we will raise hell. But somebody tell me how we would do that.

  41. Can someone provide a link to the Code Pink story?? Thanks

  42. charles, I was thinking of peru’s last president, fujimori, when you mentioned sino-peruvians, but I guess he was of japanese ancestry. does that community have a name? Although I guess fujimori isn’t a very flattering example for any community….From what I can tell Peruvian politics is pretty corrupt no matter who is in charge.

  43. Felizarte, that’s a good idea, I know there’s million woman march, million bitch march, but I think that million PUMA march would unite everybody who’s basically P.O.ed about the DNC/RBC/0bambi coronation.

  44. Lori,
    don’t forget educators for Hillary – we hate No Child Left Behind.

  45. That Code Pink story is going to provide so much fun for the RNC. And of course they can always run the videos of Obama stuttering like Porky Pig.

  46. New Horizon, No Quarter is in our blogroll.

  47. garychapelhill, Peru now has the infamous Alan Garcia again as President. His name should ring a bell if you remember Fujimori.

  48. sm–i thought it was still toledo.

  49. SM, I just went through three pages of NQ front pages. Can ya tell me when it was posted? Maybe I zipped past it. Thanks

  50. And of course, Miss Arabella for the lovely PUMA Uniforms!

    psst – In the new Season of Project Runway there is a PUMA uniform challenge.

    Designers, it’s time to bring your models to the Tress em may hair salon.

    (just kidding)

  51. bostonboomer: I hope you guys won’t hate me, but I love Whole Foods

    I’ll confess to spending a lot of time in the Silver Spring, MD Whole Foods, and I’ll bet I’ve run into pm317 there.

  52. Riverdaughter,

    I hope everything is OK with you and your daughter. Let us know at some point if you can.

  53. GQmartinez, have you gone to CVS and gotten the Oak Creek wine for 4 dollars a bottle? It’s a really good tasting wine – and for $4.00? Santa Margarita and Ecco Domani won’t see me for a while.

  54. BB: no, we do not hate you. You want to spend your money at WF, go for it.

  55. New Horizon, Boston “Dr. Pepper” Boomer has the link up.

    Thank you BB! I always get spaminated when I enter a link.

  56. Did something happen to the blog earlier? I got thrown out and had trouble getting in. Thought it was my computer since I have had problems with e-mail the last two days.

  57. BB, thanks. I did in fact just zip right past it. D’oh!

  58. UpstateNY,

    I don’t go there all the time, but there are some things that I just can’t get anywhere else. I don’t go too often because it’s hard to get out the door for less than $100.00.

  59. Somebody should tell Jodie Evans that Osama’s gripe:

    1. Wasn’t legitimate, we were in Saudi Arabia with permission and we weren’t in the holy cities of Mecca or Medina and

    2. Even if he didn’t like our presence there it was no excuse for what he did.

  60. Pat,

    Riverdaughter and Katiebird were fixing the blogroll and we lost some comments. The blogroll had been acting funny since yesterday. It kept sliding down the page. It is explained in the post.

  61. The fantastic Pat Johnson is in!

    Yeah, our comments were deleted, Riverdaughter explains it:

    Er sorry about the whole sidebar thingy going missing for a few hours. I’m not sure what to attribute that to except that we have been getting hit pretty hard in the past couple of days with hits from various refugees. It could be that our cache cups runneth over. The good news is that I think I fixed it! The bad news is that if you wrote some brilliant comment that should have been saved for all eternity, it may have been lost in the series of toobz. My sincerest apologies.

  62. I can’t see embedded videos right now…DO YOU HAVE A LINK? I would love to see what is in that big blank space under the headline to this post!!

    Thanks.

  63. I finally got to chat with my busy bud Piper today from Seat Our Delegates.com. (I’m a co-admin at the blog I helped build for it) She also blogs at Hireheels and since they are in with the Just Say No Deal folks I immediately brought up PUMA and the people on Fox. She was in on the conference call and told me she does lurk here, she let them know the real story of how PUMA started right here at The Confluence. Piper rocks. She’ll help get them straightened out. Have they gotten in touch with you yet RD?

    She also let me know that Sista from Hireheels was in a motorcycle accident last weekend and broke her leg in 3 places. Please send her thoughts of well wishes for a quick recovery. I treasure getting to meet them both when I traveled down to Indianapolis from MI for the Mellencamp rally. I still need to upload the pics off my camera from that event come to think of it!

  64. bb– Do you think that we could get Riverdaughter and Katiebird to go over to Obama’s website and do some ‘fixing’?

  65. Shainzona, it’s the Shrek clip with the Gingerbread man being tortured and screams “Eat Me!”

  66. BB: we’re cool. We have candles everywhere. I always meant to get one of them all-in-one thingies with the radio and light and crank battery. Now I have a good excuse for actually getting one tomorrow. Don’t know how long the iPhone will last but I can recharge it in the car.
    I think the Klondike bars are goners though.

  67. All the comments from the previous post are lost in space? Sorry guys, because anyone who was on with me knew that I had just solved all our attendant problems and posted them on that thread. Did anyone bother to make copies?

    Can you tell I need to get out of the house?

  68. Shez, thanks for the update & wish your pal a speedy recovery. I had 2 fractures in one leg and know how crummy it is. Sending positive light your way!

  69. Lord Farquad = Lord Fuckwad

    (They slid that past the censors, but it’s the truth)

  70. RD,

    Sorry about the Klondike bars. I hope the power comes back on tonight. I always wanted one of those crank radio flashlight things too. I love gadgets.

  71. Pat,

    That was a really funny thread. I’m really sorry we lost all the finger cookie information.

  72. RD- I gave Kissy Lips one of those cranky things for Christmas (no not me!), I’ll send it right over. He never took if out of the box. I think that you have to put the Klondike bars out of their misery, it is the only humane thing to do.

  73. Pat,

    It’s still close to 90 degrees here. How high did you get today? I think we got to either 99 or 100.

  74. Pat you are too funny! We had a great thread going too! We were blaming the O-borg.

    RD: Keep safe! Here in Tampa we get those from May-October. Since global warming is screwing everything, think FL Hurricane Preparation just in case up in NJ.

  75. Did you notice how close to the million mark we are? rd, can we have a party to celebrate when that happens? I have a new bottle of pre mixed Cosmos and a glass in the freezer I would love to open.

  76. I know it may sound weird, but I love storms, like the storm bringer Tancred Torsson.

    Take care of yourselves, RD.

  77. bb: It hit 99 degrees today. Down now to 88. I never left the house. It was awful out there. Cabin fever is setting in.

  78. I have great respect for Larry and Susan but I get so down when I go there. It seems like it’s so negative. I do stop by to see the “headlines” on the front page but there are so many obamobots that the comments aren’t worth my time. :-/

  79. Great post, and plenty pumas coming by at all hours to find us. RD I made you a concert ‘cos you played Iggy Pop — ! The way they are rushing things makes me very doubleplus uneasy — this whole thing has just moved at warpspeed it seems to me. Whole Foods is a kind of olden day “hippy-health” type market that is probably very upscale now. They sell organic stuff and probably the best free range eggs and perfectly “no bad things in it” meat or? It’s like organic to the maximus! like gourmet health food? Simpler is better. Besides we know how to cook from scratch don’t we? Scratch feeds more people worldwide anyway…yeah, I’m a green dem in my heart.

  80. RD, I’m so sorry. Is Brooke OK? Did you know you can run a 6″ TV off a motorcycle battery? That’s what we did when we lost our power last week. It’s amazing if a TV is on you can forget you don’t actually have any lights.

  81. BB, I feel for you folks over there. Here in Washington State it’s been gray and in the 50s. It’s been so unusually cool they’ve started calling it “June-uary.” It’s gonna warm up to about 70 though later this week. When it’s sunny and in the low 70s it’s paradise here.

    I grew up in hot weather so I love the cool rainy weather here.

  82. They had a clip of Obama on Hannity explaining the vetters need to be vetted. He is hopeless. Shut it off because they were going to bring in Karl Rove. Better get him now because I think he is going to get subpoened soon. That man is evil.

  83. I love storms too, especially snowstorms. We get some really vicious Nor’easters here in Boston. Every once in awhile a hurricane makes it up here. We had a hurricane sometime around 1985. My power went out for four days.

  84. UpstateNY – but I love storms

    I do too. I also lived in the tropics for several years, and I loved to watch storms during hurricane season at the beach. Like BO, I acquired some serious foreign policy experience while doing so.

    I’m waiting for the power to go. Happens every time. I’ve already got the candles lit.

  85. new horizon,

    Last week it was so cold and raw here I had to shut all the windows and turn the heat on! Then it suddenly shot up in the 90s. But that’s the way it is in New England. I have known the temperature to drop 40 degrees in a couple of hours here.

  86. Pat Johnson, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:20 pm Said:
    They had a clip of Obama on Hannity explaining the vetters need to be vetted.

    “Vetters need to be vetted.”

    What about YOU being vetted? Ugh!

  87. Pat Johnson: They had a clip of Obama on Hannity explaining the vetters need to be vetted.

    What about the presumptive nominee?

  88. BostonBoomer: Was that Hurricane Gloria? I used to live in Mass at the time! I remember it!

  89. And the DNC circle jerk continues…..Hillary is smarter than they are and it’s KILLING THEM!!! She will not give up her delegates. They are running scared. The question is….exactly how scared are they?

  90. Like I posted on TL, Jim Johnson wouldn’t even be on this committee if Tony Rezko hadn’t been otherwise engaged.

  91. Newhorizon,
    Grew up in NM and went to school in Seattle. Loved the Seattle weather. Its not as wet as everyone says (its more a drizzle than rain), but the reputation keeps the riffraff out.

  92. BB, any relief coming soon for you guys??

  93. Boston, I still call it Bread & Circus. That’s what it will always be to me.

    RD, I don’t know what you expect from Obama. He’s a sexist, and an arrogant ass. He thinks we should all beg him for forgiveness for voting for that woman.

    I just took Oscar for a ride and that song “Just a Girl” by Gwen Stefani was on. I think that’s a Hill song.

  94. bostonboomer — are you actually in Boston?

    I’m in Boston at least once a year for a conference. I really like your city. If BO wins, I’m not sure I want to stay in the DC area. Do you recommend moving to Boston?

  95. hlr: “I acquired some serious foreign policy experience while doing so.”

    I am sure you did. heh.

    The tropics? I have never been to the tropics. That sounds exotic. Where exactly?

  96. PssttCmere, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:24 pm Said:
    And the DNC circle jerk continues…..Hillary is smarter than they are and it’s KILLING THEM!!! She will not give up her delegates. They are running scared. The question is….exactly how scared are they?

    And the best part is that some of her SDs have come out today saying that they won’t switch to the 0-borg.

  97. SM,

    You do? It was wierd too, because some people didn’t get anything at all. Around my house we had trees and telephone poles down everywhere. And you couldn’t buy batteries or flashlights or anything like that. I could read by one of those booklights, and I had a little walkman radio. That was it for four days–no hot water was the worst part.

  98. Melanie,

    I still call it Bread & Circus too. Do you remember the Erewhon store down on Newbury Street? I used to love that place.

  99. katie said:

    Did you know you can run a 6″ TV off a motorcycle battery? That’s what we did when we lost our power last week. It’s amazing if a TV is on you can forget you don’t actually have any lights.

    maybe we should start calling her McGyver

  100. we’re not all that inconvenienced. Brook is just afraid of the dark. But she is being compassionate right now and euthanizing the klondikes. I am draining the Pinot grigio and sangria boxes as a precautionary measure. Brook is listening to podcasts of This American Life. I just hope I don’t have to grill 10 lbs of chicken breast that I bought and froze yesterday.

  101. SM and hlr,
    I rode the train from work this evening with someone who actually said it was good that BO will be the nominee becuase …“nobody knows much about him”

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I did nearly fall off the seat.

  102. gqmartinez, you got it. Keep telling everyone it rained every single day you were here. We have too much sprawl as it is. 🙂

  103. I read that as “chicken beast” and had practically a whole novel in my head before I realized what you meant. I guess if you had to grill them, you could then freeze the cooked breasts….

  104. hlr,

    I’m in Arlington, which is the next town NW of Cambridge. I’m in the Greater Boston area. I lived in Cambridge and Boston back in the ’60s. I love Boston, but I’ve been thinking about moving back to Indiana. I kind of miss the open space and big skies. I’m a Midwesterner at heart, born in North Dakota, raised in Kansas, Ohio, and Indiana. My parents are 86 and 83 and they are starting to need more help and support, so I may move back closer to them. At the same time, it will be very hard to leave Boston. I’ve lived here since 1967.

  105. SM, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:26 pm Said:
    PssttCmere, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:24 pm Said:
    And the DNC circle jerk continues…..Hillary is smarter than they are and it’s KILLING THEM!!! She will not give up her delegates. They are running scared. The question is….exactly how scared are they?

    And the best part is that some of her SDs have come out today saying that they won’t switch to the 0-borg.

    Whoooeee that is wonderful news!!

  106. PssttCmere,

    It is so exciting. Did you hear about Strickland?

  107. I have Hannity & Colmes on (and it still makes me feel icky to do so) but they are interviewing someone from a group called Just Say No Deal. Their website http://www.justsaynodeal.com is pretty interesting.

  108. Pat Johnson — what did Boren say?

  109. bostonboomer….I certainly did!! Great news…barackula is looking to retired military men now for VP….so hard to keep up. Imagine, in a perfect world, everyone saying no to being VP…lol

  110. bostonboomer, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:28 pm Said:
    Melanie,

    I still call it Bread & Circus too. Do you remember the Erewhon store down on Newbury Street? I used to love that place.

    Yes. But the Wellesley store was my old stomping ground.

    hlr, boston is a great city. It’s really small for a “big” city. It’s prolly the most gentrified in the country so lot’s of BO supporters. 😉

    I really like Jamaica Plains. Really diverse, bit cheaper.

  111. “TM has lost some serious credibility.”

    You can’t lose what you’ve never had. The WP article really confirmed all my doubts about her.

  112. I was born in Methuen and raised in Lawrence but left in ’89.

    I remember Hurricane Gloria was a Cat 1 storm, I was 13-14 years old at the time and it was bad for New England, but not the nastiest hurricane I’ve been through.

    My nastiest was Hurricane Georges in PR in 1998, I just gave birth to my daughter – that was a Cat 4, then a Cat 3, and what made it awful was Georges didn’t budge an inch. It was a slow moving storm, staying over the island for 24 hours. That’s why it was so destructive. Normally, they last no more that 6-7 hours.

    We had no light for a month, no running water for 2 weeks, not telephone service for 3 months, not one single leaf on any tree, light poles bent like hairpins, just awful – that’s the one that Hillary came to the island for the hurricane relief.

    The FL ones that I’ve been in were Cat 1-2. Thank God & Goddess – all good, but nonetheless, scary.

  113. Pat,

    AM I putting reason before party? Or joining the two. I just don’t think it’s a reasonable decision to support Obama as our nominee. AND I don’t know how I can make that clear without being willing to withhold my vote.

    Obama is NOT going to win. You should have seen the expression on David Letterman’s face when BrokeJaw said that the Republican Establishment had already accepted the inevitability of Obama — incredulous doesn’t begin to describe it. And he shoved BrokeJaw off the stage right after that.

    I can see how he could conceivably steal a couple of states. But wouldn’t he have to steal 10 or 12?

  114. Over at Balloon Juice they are in a snit because Hillary hasn’t “released” her delegates.

    Of course, they are always in a snit about something.

  115. pat,

    mawm is building a website as we speak. he wants to have a place where people can come together to organize and plan events. He’s a computer nerd and has built some pretty awesome stuff. We need to get our haka going and get louder and louder until Denver. We’ve already started making plans to trek out there…..

  116. hlr: heh. I do not blame you.

    Probably the CIA and the O think police are taking notes….

    RD, is this a set up site to collect data on political dissidents of the pinko persuasion?

  117. hir: Boren said basically that he did not think that Obama was qualified and branded him the most liberal member of the senate and would not actively campaign for him but that he would cast his vote for him at the convention. At least someone of some influence says what the rest of us are thinking. I have yet to come across anybody in my circle who is voting for Obama.

  118. myiq….the way I see it, there is no reason for Hillary to release her delegates. I hope she is getting some satisfaction from watching the “party elders” squirm!

  119. Holy crap, could they be any more obvious?

    Little Lord Obama can’t win unless he “games the system”…he’s a shameless con. As a child in Indonesia, he used to run around screaming CURANG (cheater) every time he didn’t get his way. Ugh…he must have been one of those kids none of the others want to play with. Barry, the lonely little loser.

    Hell, Hillary has them FREAKED. The little weanies lie, cheat and steal and they still can’t be confident that they closed this deal. How pathetic is that?

  120. Leslie & Psst:

    The REBEL ALLIANCE IS FORMING!

    Hurry, where’s Captsfufp??? Somebody needs to fly the ship!

  121. gary: This is so exciting to hear!! You guys have been our eyes and ears and your reporting and diaries have been a blessing. I am sure I speak for many that this blog, and the contributions from you and others, kept us from falling into a deeper pit of depression. Can’t wait to see what he comes up with but if it needs any monetary assistance, I will do my part.

  122. I have a question for all Conflucians:

    Does anyone here frequent (now or in the past) Hillaryis44?

    I’ve never been there, and I’ve never seen any Hillary supporters at the places I hang out refer or link to that place.

    I see Oborg referencing it all the time, and from the comments I have seen I suspect that it is a spoof site run by Oborg or GOP ratfuckers.

  123. Pat, we are organizing! THE REBEL ALLIANCE is forming here on Tatooine!

    Garychapelhill, send Mawm a big hug & PLEASE link us when you can.

  124. “Obama is NOT going to win. You should have seen the expression on David Letterman’s face when BrokeJaw said that the Republican Establishment had already accepted the inevitability of Obama — incredulous doesn’t begin to describe it. And he shoved BrokeJaw off the stage right after that.”

    What does this mean?

  125. I’ve shopped at Whole Foods once. We call it “Whole Paycheck.”

    :>)

  126. myq: not me.

  127. katiebird: It is people like Taylor Marsh and other who put party before reason. This guy is a nothing. She is a climber. We reasoned long before this blog was put together that Hillary was the one who made the difference in policy. We came together at that time because we had no idea how corrupt the party had become and how much was going on behind the scenes.

    No, katiebird, we are the reasonable ones. We never fell into the game of worship. We knew she had solutions. That is reason enought. The party? It can go to hell.

  128. OT– O’Precious weasling already:
    “June 10 (Bloomberg) — Barack Obama, seeking today to dispel John McCain’s claim that his proposals would burden all types of taxpayers, said his proposed tax increases for wealthier Americans would depend on economic conditions.

    “I can’t predict yet where the economy is going to be” next year, Democratic presidential contender Obama said during a news briefing in St. Louis. “So it would be foolish for me to say I’ve got my economic plan and we are going forward with it regardless of what circumstances are.”

  129. SM,

    I remember that storm in PR. It sounds awful. And with a new baby? Wow. Do you still go back to Lawrence to visit? I went back to college at U. Mass. Lowell in the 90’s. I like those old mill towns.

  130. Katiebird,
    Did you hear Letterman ask Tom if “We could at least get our money back re: Bush since impeachment didn’t seem to be going anywhere”? I couldn’t believe the rat bastards answer. “That’s why we have elections.”

    Uh. No, Tom. That’s NOT why we have elections.

    Whatever happened to The Rule of Law? Accountability? I was pissed.

  131. Myip2xU, I haven’t been there actually so I can’t really say.

    No Quarter did an awesome piece today about the coordinated cyber hacker attacks, clone website blogs, and impersonation of known bloggers.

  132. myiq2xu — I went there last summer but left once the racist chatter started up.

  133. myiq2xu — I went there last summer but left once the r%&$$t chatter started up.

  134. Pat,

    I love your comments. You always write such funny ones and then you come up with the beautiful ones that bring tears to my eyes.

  135. We may not become a political party but just think: a Confluence of women of all ages, gays and lesbians, Latinos, working class, men, people without degrees, people with degrees, from all over the country forming a constituency!!

    This is America. We Can Do.

  136. This is the latest thread on TL…..obama needs to be stopped in his tracks:

    Obama Says Faith Community to be a Priority of His Administration

    Wonder how long it will be until he brings in Rev. Wright, FR. Pfleger, Rev Meeks, the anti-christ, etc.?

  137. What is r%&$$t?

  138. Democratic National Convention 2008 brought to you by GE, Imagination at Work, and Chevron, the Power of Human Energy.

    Chris Matthews: Lets go to David Shuster for his report live on the Yahoo! Convention Center floor brought to you by Capitol One, What’s in Your Wallet?

    David Shuster: Thats right, Chris. I have it on good authority that a portion of the Democratic platform was sold off to Lockheed Martin, We Never Forget Who Were Working for. Back to You Chris.

    Convention Center attendees will receive Oprah’s Most Recent Book Club pick, an Ipod, and health insurance provided by Humana Life (non-mandated of course).

  139. Myiq, I went there once. It was pretty over-the-top and never went back. I’ve seen it referenced on some of the more out-there Taylor Marsh comments.

    I didn’t like it and thought it really wasn’t helpful to the cause.

  140. I can understand someone backing Obama as the Democratic nominee out of party loyalty.

    I don’t agree, but I can understand.

    But how do you suddenly pretend the last six months didn’t happen? How do you reformat your memory?

  141. Gary and mawm : what a great idea! And they think we are low info voters.

  142. WS: Convention Center attendees will receive Oprah’s Most Recent Book Club pick, an Ipod, and health insurance provided by Humana Life (non-mandated of course).

    Count me in.

  143. Did Letterman appear taken back? Hard to read him but I know he kind of had a little hankering for Hillary. He had her on one night for the entire hour and they teased back and forth. He looked like he enjoyed it 100%

  144. fooj,
    What you said.

    one of the comments I read today was about Kucinich reading his 35 articles of impeachment on the House floor yesterday. The best part of the comment was that “Nancy Pelosi’s head exploded” when he was reading.

    I am still pissed at the gall of Pelosi “taking impeachment off the table”. arrgghh

  145. UpstateNY — a word that triggers moderation. Think of the constant accusation made by BO supporters.

  146. Sorry for not chiming in on the more important discussion. I will not vote for Obama.

    I have spent more than four years as a Democratic Preceint Captain here in central Ohio. I walked my precinct *every* election, whether local, primary or general. I towed the party line, I gave money, I phone-banked, even for candidates I didn’t really support (Marc Dann being one). I will not help the Democratic Party any more.

    I am very happy to have found like-minded people.

    BTW RD, I am from Rochester, NY, home town or Wegman’s. I adore Wegman’s!

  147. Apparently, Little Lord Obama doesn’t understand SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

    Screw Universal Healthcare, War, Economy, Education…it’s all about the “faith community”…

    Give me a break. He sickens me.

  148. Does anyone have a link to the bloomburg article cited above?

  149. Party before reason… yep, I’m afraid Taylor has fallen into that trap and she voted for Raygun (I never voted for him or any kind of Bush, but I have to own up to a Nixon over McGovern vote). And now it looks like I’ll just have to put the welfare of my country over the welfare of my party. Any “real American” ought to have loyalty to any political party far down the scale of important American-isms, don’t you think. I am gonna take it a step further, though and vote against any fervent down-ticket Obama supporters. I could rattle on but I guess everyone sees my drift– viva La American Party!

  150. That’s just what we need; another faith based initiative. Has this a’hole ever heard of the separation of church and state? This supposed constitutional lawyer who never tried a case in court. I cannot stand this man.

  151. Obama said:

    “I can’t predict yet where the economy is going to be” next year, Democratic presidential contender Obama said during a news briefing in St. Louis. “So it would be foolish for me to say I’ve got my economic plan and we are going forward with it regardless of what circumstances are.”

    Isnt’ that the same argument bush has used for not making any plans for getting out of iraq????? I’m gonna have to hunt down a quote because I’m sure bush has said almost the exact same thing re: iraq

  152. oh, I see. Thanks hlr.

  153. It’s good to be a PUMA.

    The thunderstorms are closing in – really intense lightening. Stay safe, everyone.

  154. WS: lol

  155. Ugh. Yahoo headline: Obama meets privately with Christian leaders. This guy is all slick marketing and nothing more.

  156. Arabella: Where are you? Just wondering how close they are to me.

  157. HLR, hope you still have power – saw your post in the other thread. Massive storms and it sounded like hail even.

    I am familiar with His44 but haven’t checked it for some time. I don’t think it makes sense as a spoof site (from what I recall), it started with an intense fixation on the Rezko case, people posting on comments were real Hillary supporters (just volunteers).. but I don’t know who is on there now. The thing about it is, it’s more or less unmoderated and the commenters have gotten out of hand as the primaries went on, some of them, like they do on NoQ. That’s just my opinion. There’s a difference between strong disagreement and just insults, and they’re kind of about throwing the kitchen sink at Obama regardless of whether everything is reality-based (eg, the ridiculous Larry Sinclair thing, which is too stupid to mention). Again I hate to say that but I quit checking it because I couldn’t support some of the mudslinging, stuff just wasn’t reality-based.

  158. On the deleted thread someone said that Rachael Maddow’s head exploded today too. It must be catching. Can Donna Brazile’s head be far behind? You know she can’t understand why she suddenly got all those e-mails on her Blackberry yesterday.

  159. leslie,

    I despise these IMPOSTERS with the intensity of 1000 suns.

    Funny. Same line Little Lord Obama used when asked about impeachment. “That’s why we have elections.” He doesn’t think that impeachment is warranted. WTF?

  160. You too, Arabella. Stay safe, we need your enthusiasm around here.

  161. Great idea about the 50/50 pool and half going to HRC to retire her debt. We have to honor her with doing this, so she is in no way beholden to Precious.

  162. Melanie: There really is no such thing as a “Christian” leader.
    We learned how well that went when Billy Graham’s anti Semite rants became public. They are hucksters just like the one they met with. All in it for the money and power.

  163. The reason I asked about Hillaryis44 is because I keep seeing Oborgs reference the site as “typical” Hillary supporters.

    I think it was set up as an astroturf site that could be used as “evidence” that Hillary supporters were more deranged than Obamanation.

    I’ve seen over-the-top and way out-of-line posts from alleged Hillary supporters get stomped and deleted at the (respectable) sites I frequent, like this one, corrente, TL, etc. Even the supposed lunatics at NQ are moderated.

  164. Obama is another GWB. He campaigns like him, raises money like him, golfs and bikes like him and dodges the issues like him. He may be a tad more arrogant. It just scares me to have another shrub-puppet in the WH. The possibilities make my head explode.

  165. churl, I agree with you about down-ticket races. Our state governor won by only a couple hundred votes after a triple recount. She couldn’t jump on the Obama bandwagon fast enough. Even after the shameless racial smears and the sexist crap in the media. She’s lost my vote. I can’t vote for the Republican doofus running, but I’ll throw my vote away on some goofy third party person.

    Fortunately, my senators (Murray and Cantwell) and my congresscritter endorsed Hillary.

  166. #
    hlr, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:03 pm Said:

    I’ll confess to spending a lot of time in the Silver Spring, MD Whole Foods, and I’ll bet I’ve run into pm317 there.
    ——————————-
    hlr, I have gone there couple of times but we generally go to the one that is close to wherever we are on that day. You know Sniders off of Seminary? it is much cheaper but good stuff — small but efficient and mom and pop, Jewish kosher. For some things WF is more hype than substance (just like Obama and his supporters, haha, I had to say that 🙂

    On a serious note, I am thinking about writing a letter to Mikalski and ask her what we should do if they force Clinton to release her delegates, and shut her out of the convention. Do you know what the story with Cardin is?

  167. bostonboomer, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:44 pm Said:
    SM,

    I remember that storm in PR. It sounds awful. And with a new baby? Wow. Do you still go back to Lawrence to visit? I went back to college at U. Mass. Lowell in the 90’s. I like those old mill towns.

    Georges: The killer part: I was getting a divorce, Hurricane Georges, new baby all at the same time! But she’s now a gorgeous 10-year old. The key is being prepared. I bought three big 60 gallon tanks for water storage, a Coleman propane camper stove to heat up food/make coffee, plenty of canned foods & formula etc., and plenty of Bacardi. (I wasn’t breastfeeding anymore BTW!)

    Mill towns: U Lowell! Wow! Lowell is such a pretty town, at least to me. I went to a college prep program there during my high school years at Lawrence High. I was in Lawrence last year in June for my godson’s 1st birthday – saw my old friends & it was nice to be “home” even though I haven’t lived there in almost 20 years.

  168. I read The Audacity of Hope a few months ago. I’ve been warning people ever since. In the book Obama says he supports Bush’s faith-based initiatives and plans to continue them. The funny thing is all the Obamatrons claim to have read the book, but they obviously haven’t. I used to bring these things up at DK, and people called me a liar. There’s lots more scary stuff in that book, believe me.

  169. myiq: well, you have to admit we are pretty derange over here 😉

  170. Pat – I’m in White Plains, NY.

    PUMA!

  171. LOL! The evangelical fundamentalists think Obama is the Antichrist! Seriously. I heard this from my mom who has never met an end time philosophy she didnt like. The more he pushes the religious angle, the more suspicious they’ll become.
    too funny

  172. I can not believe Obama is still trying to run as the religious candidate:
    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/10/213940/648#19

  173. Arabella: Then they are headed my way within the next few hours. The temp is dropping here.

  174. bb – Ain’t that the truth. I think lots of people bought Obama’s book and never read it. It’s not only full of scarey stuff, it’s poorly written.

    PUMAs

  175. Sad thing is we keep electing nature themes.

    Come on, we had a Bush.

    Now we have a Ba-Rock.

    The Bush whacked us, now the Rock will stone us to death. Welcome to the new American dream.

  176. the rapture is upon us!!!

  177. Looks as if Jeralyn is allowing negative commentary about Obama onto her site. Good for her! She was a strong Hillary supporter and even she posted a comment of her own. People need to wake up.

  178. OBAMA:

    I’m an atheist!

    I’m Muslim!

    I found Christ!

    No, I AM CHRIST.

    People, we need to un-select the 0bambi. PUMA all the way to Denver!

  179. Here’s an interesting article about pro-choice voters taking a look at McCain

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/prochoice_democrats_and_john_m.html

  180. I noticed, Pat. Good for her.

  181. BB.. I haven’t read the book, but I will, much as I would prefer not to.. but.. this feels just like the runup to 2000 for me, where I was just dumbstruck that anyone could support W, look at what he’d do and what he stood for and what would happen, and people just weren’t hearing it. same for Iraq. And now.. I have no idea how to counteract this stuff..

  182. SM,

    I think Lawrence has changed a lot. They have started to do what Lowell did. All of downtown Lowell is a national park now. They were smart to do it. I haven’t been up there for awhile, but I have taught several courses at U. Lowell since I’ve been in grad school. I love the city. I’ve always like Jack Kerouac and while I was going to school there I worked on the Kerouac Festival committee. I also did oral history research in the French Canadian community. I really wouldn’t mind living there.

  183. hlr –

    Why pay sky-high prices at Whole Foods in Silver Spring when you can go to the Takoma Park-Silver Spring Food Coop in Takoma Park? At TPSS Coop, you’ll be supporting a local, community-based, not-for-profit, member-owned cooperative. Plus, you’ll meet cool shopper-members like yours truly! : )

  184. regency: At 18 years of age, you are one of the most perceptive people I have come across in a long time. Astonishing!

  185. SM: Too funny!

  186. Has this been brought up today yet? Found this in a comment over at NQ too:

    “Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla., told the Associated Press today that he has no intention of endorsing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois.”

    Yay Rep Boren, we need to send him some love for having a great head on his shoulders and a real spine.

    Here in Michigan there was a list in the paper a couple of days ago about the superdels. Our Gov Jennifer and the other biggies for Hillary had to do their party duty and switch to Obie for now. Out of the still undeclared ones they said 2 more will commit to O on June 14th at the MI Dem State Central Committee meeting to pick the rest of our MI delegates. That should be interesting since most were already allotted in April (they conveniently postponed those congressional district conventions that should have been held in March) now that the RBC stole delegates and votes from Hillary, and turned everything on its head. I live by our state capitol of Lansing, I’m sure you’re shocked, just shocked, to hear the State Journal has had a near blackout on the RBC May 31st meeting. *wink*

    The undeclared MI superdel list:
    Mark Brewer (if they can get Obie’s ballprints off of his chin in time), Sen Carl Levin, union activist Elizabeth Bunn, Richard Shoemaker, and Jeff Radjewski.

    Other than tingly leg Mark, and Carl, (which I’m betting are the 2 hands down), I’m hoping the other three are hanging tough for our lady. They probably need to hear from us. Brewer is such a tool, he tried telling my friends over in Macomb county near Detroit a couple of months ago that the DNC made BO take his name off our ballot. He insinuated it was a “rule”, like the snake in the grass he is. They knew their shit and when they called him out on it he abruptly ended their chat and scurried out mad. Heh.

  187. bostonboomer,

    Have you heard the audio version? It’s just plain creepy.

    All of this “faith based” crap is nothing but Obama’s idea of a blowjob. The only reason he joined that “church” in Chicago is because he was told that it would help him “connect” to influencial people. Obama doesn’t give a shit about church. His world revolves around division and hate. Christianity? HA!! Just ask cousin Odinga what he does to Christians that don’t support him. These people are dangerous. Seriously.

  188. dar1a,

    The book is not fun to read. Vastleft tried to read it for Corrente and he couldn’t handle it. I read different chapters at different times. Each chapter is about a different topic. There isn’t an orginal idea in it. It’s just like his speeches: a bunch of platitudes and no commitment to anything.

  189. Pat Johnson, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:46 pm Said:
    We may not become a political party but just think: a Confluence of women of all ages, gays and lesbians, Latinos, working class, men, people without degrees, people with degrees, from all over the country forming a constituency!!

    This is America. We Can Do.

    Pat, you just described the “Big Tent” of the Democratic Party.

    Up until the “Big Tent” was remodeled to an exclusive VIP lounge where if you’re not on the 0-borg list, you can’t get in.

  190. RD – I came across a web site that called upon Hillary to be an American hero and overcome the Antichrist Barack Obama. I wish I had bookmarked it. It had a photo of Hillary photoshopped into banks of heavenly clouds with light radiating from her head.

    The blog was written by a conservative. I swear it was real and not parody. It takes real committment to put together a site with ten eyejarring different type fonts.

    PUMA!

  191. Lawerence KS? They have a great British store over there (downtown) with all kinds of funky chocolates and excellent tea.

  192. fooj,

    No and if it’s in Barry’s voice I couldn’t stand to listen to it. I have gotten to the point where it’s easier for me to look at Bush than Obama. And listening to him is torture for me.

  193. I would rather have a blind man on roller skates attempt to drive a knitting needle into my forehead than to read Obama’s bio. And I read a lot.

  194. Thanks, Pat!

  195. bush on iraq:

    I recognize that Americans want our troops to come home as quickly as possible. So do I. Some contend that we should set a deadline for withdrawing U.S. forces. Let me explain why that would be a serious mistake. Setting an artificial timetable would send the wrong message to the Iraqis, who need to know that America will not leave before the job is done. It would send the wrong message to our troops, who need to know that we are serious about completing the mission they are risking their lives to achieve. And it would send the wrong message to the enemy, who would know that all they have to do is to wait us out. We will stay in Iraq as long as we are needed, and not a day longer.

    obama said:

    “I can’t predict yet where the economy is going to be” next year, Democratic presidential contender Obama said during a news briefing in St. Louis. “So it would be foolish for me to say I’ve got my economic plan and we are going forward with it regardless of what circumstances are.”

    Isn’t this the same argument. basically we can’t make plans for the future because we can’t predict the future. Bush has been using this insane argument for years now.

  196. Pat, you are funny (meant in a good way)

  197. BB: I have gotten to the point where it’s easier for me to look at Bush than Obama

    that bad, eh?

  198. I think it’s as unlikely that the fundie crowd will support Obama as it is that they would back Mitt Romney.

    Early in the campaign I kept wondering when the media would figure out that fundies think Mormons are a Satanic cult. (I was raised fundie, so I know.)

    After Rev. Wright, Father Phlegm, Rev. Meeks and Lousi Farrakan, I can’t see them voting for The Precious.

  199. BWAHAHAHA! It IS in Barry’s voice. Don’t listen to it. It’ll give you the heebie-geebies.

    Wonder how the “faith based community” is going to feel about this:

    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”-Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

    The Little Lord knows all about the “political winds”, doesn’t he?

  200. “I would rather have a blind man on roller skates attempt to drive a knitting needle into my forehead than to read Obama’s bio. And I read a lot.”

    Pat– have you ever done stand-up? My sister does stand-up comedy. I’m going to send her some of your comments. You are a riot.

  201. Gas is going to hit $5.00 a gallon by July and these two interchangeable personalities are standing around with a stick up their ass and no policy solutions. And when was the last time anybody watching the news has heard much about Iraq these days? Next to nothing. But let’s get a faith based initiative in place. Give me a break.

  202. fooj, yes I saw and heard that bit. You have to know that I hate BrokeJaw, I think he’s a pompous, name dropping, well I won’t go on because I’ll insult pompous name-droppers everywhere. It’s always frustrated me that Letterman had so much respect for him.

    I think Letterman was really frustrated by the whole conversation.

    And Pat, I’ve seen him talking to both the Clinton’s I know he’s hard on them with jokes, but he’s always bubbled when he talks to them.

    When he had Obama on the conversation really dragged and when it was finally over, Letterman reached over and touched his sleeve saying, “that’s a lovely suit” I couldn’t help laughing.

  203. Regarding Obama’s two “memoirs:”

    Ever notice that the Oborg never refer to or quote from those books?

  204. fooj,

    I looked all through the book and I could not find that quote. I think it’s an urban myth. Did you hear him say it? What chapter is it in?

  205. myiq2xu,

    They used to talk about both books constantly at the cheeto.

  206. (ears perking)

    Are we talking about Lawrence, KS? really?

  207. Pat: “But let’s get a faith based initiative in place”

    Well, we are going to need all the help we can get, right?

  208. Once an Obot at DK told me that The Audacity of Hope was the best biography [sic] of a politician in the history of this country. LOL!

  209. regency: Where are you heading in the Fall?

  210. bostonboomer, on June 10th, 2008 at 10:02 pm Said:
    SM,

    I think Lawrence has changed a lot. They have started to do what Lowell did. All of downtown Lowell is a national park now. They were smart to do it. I haven’t been up there for awhile, but I have taught several courses at U. Lowell since I’ve been in grad school. I love the city. I’ve always like Jack Kerouac and while I was going to school there I worked on the Kerouac Festival committee. I also did oral history research in the French Canadian community. I really wouldn’t mind living there.

    Yeah, Lawrence is really an immigrant city. That was where the Bread & Roses strike happened in the early 1900s. My mom & dad moved there from NYC in 1970 to work at Gillette and my mom worked in a shoe factory.

    After Reaganomics kicked in, most of the mills & factories closed down, the city was bankrupt, crime was rampant, in fact, I remember it was once considered the arson captial of the US in the 1980s. Many people couldn’t survive there because there was no more work and couldn’t sell their homes & hired local gangs to burn it down just so they can collect the insurance. Also big in Lawrence 1980s were local mob/mafia controlled city politicians, it was ugly.

    Now, Lawrence is considered a Boston suburb and housing codes improved so now property values are very high. My cousin who still lives there has made a very good retirement fund just with 6 houses he owns/rents out.

    Lowell had the great advantage over Lawrence because of the university, no doubt. I’ve done the Lowell Mills field trip outing quite a few times myself. There’s really some great history there in Merrimack Valley.

  211. boomer,

    I don’t remember if I heard it. I only listened to a few segments. That’s all I could bear.

    I know that Savage Politics had the quote on their website. I printed a whole string of them.

  212. Katiebird,

    SM grew up in Lawrence, MA. As you know I spent my childhood in Lawrence, KS.

  213. Upstate: He is just pandering to the Religious Right.

  214. Bostonboomer:

    I was never a cheetopian. So have they actually read them, or did they just talk about them?

  215. garychapelhill, you can backtrack the quote on my blog– might have come from GooNews. Don’t recall right now.

    “Obama is another GWB. He campaigns like him, raises money like him, golfs and bikes like him and dodges the issues like him. He may be a tad more arrogant. It just scares me to have another shrub-puppet in the WH. The possibilities make my head explode.”

    He also dances like Bush. Black enuf, they used to ask.

    Good night, all. Maintain mental health. I’m gonna go lurk somewhere and see what the Collective is up to.

  216. I was, kbird. I do not know about the other Lawrence BB was talking about.

    Wife is into fibers and she would take me there evey now and then (when we lived in KC) to buy specialty threads and tools.

    I always demanded some chocolate from the Brit store in compensation for my patience.

  217. (laughing wildly)

    Pat: “I would rather have a blind man on roller skates attempt to drive a knitting needle into my forehead than to read Obama’s bio. And I read a lot.”

    That’s hilarious! And I feel exactly the same way.

    Can we have a Confluence MeetUp somehow?

  218. fooj,

    I don’t think that is in the book. I googled it and it’s on tons of right wing nut websites. I think they made it up. There is enough real stuff to use against him. We don’t need to use the rw talking points.

  219. Claremont College to study Biology and Political Science.

  220. Nah, kbird, “they” are talking about Boston, oh well. I still like Lawrence, KS and have great memories of the place. Talk about OT. heh.

  221. Good night, Conflucians.

    Sweet dreams.

  222. myiq2xu, on June 10th, 2008 at 9:41 pm Said:

    I have a question for all Conflucians:

    Does anyone here frequent (now or in the past) Hillaryis44?
    ————————–
    I started with that blog during this primary season — I go check out the comments once in a while. It is very pro-Clinton and the anonymous admin does a good job of writing front page stuff — they were the ones who dug up Rezko stuff when no one else was talking about. Most of them are not voting for Obama.

  223. I read both Bill and Hillary’s autobiographies. Packed with loads of information. Their lives spelled out on those pages. It is unlikely that the “Audacity of Hope” could top that or even Doris Kearns Goodwin’s bio on FDR or Lincoln. That kid needs a reading list before he starts “rating”.

  224. Katiebird, SORRY!!

    Lawrence & Lowell, Massachusetts. Not Lawrence, Kansas.

  225. (nodding) I did know that BB grew up in Lawrence, KS but I forgot that Upstate lived in Kansas City.

    Upstate we talked about Aldi’s once didn’t we?

    And (sniff) the one region of the country that I’ve never been near is New England.

  226. Good night, Arabella.

  227. Good night, Arabella.

    Me too, I am falling sleep (not that I find you all boring or anything, just had a long day).

    Hasta maNana.

  228. boomer,

    No worries. I’m in full agreement.

  229. Good night Arabella!

    We’ll work on PUMA choreography next. Think Fosse.

  230. katiebird: I have thought of that so many times. A Confluence meet up would be wonderful!

  231. myiq2xu,

    Some of them may have read the books, but I used to quote passages out of them and people would accuse me of lying and being a Republican and so on. That was when I still thought they could be reasoned with. I think most of them bought the books and didn’t read them.

  232. Katiebird, if you ever decide to visit NE, please try to go during the spring or early fall. It really is beautiful.

  233. pm317: Do you know what the story

    Cardin endorsed BO on Wednesday. I would be surprised if Mikulski didn’t endorse BO after Saturday.

    The pledged delegates we’re talking about are the ones we voted in to represent the results by district plus add-ons. See here. PG County exec Jack Johnson is now w/ BO.

  234. New England is beautiful, especially in late Sept, early October.

  235. bb, I’m with you on bush v obama. I can’t look at either, and when BO starts to speak on the radio, I turn it off. It took me longer to turn off bush. So I must have an even stronger negative reaction to BO.
    I feel miserable about this. I am so very tired of being angry and sad and disgusted with “my” president (not). that I can’t begin gto think of having yet another horrible CoC.

  236. SM: Fosse? I am not wearing a costume that goes up digs into my butt!

  237. Charles,

    I didn’t know Trader Joes and Aldi’s were connected. My parents get some things at Aldi’s. They often have very good produce, at least where they shop. For a long time they got grapefruits from Aldi’s for an incredibly low price, like 39 cents. Avocados too.

    Bread & Circus’s original owner here in MA was a liberal. When he sold out the the Texas Company he made a deal with them the keep some of his policies about food purity and ingredients (no white sugar, for example). I don’t know if they do that in other states. Bread & Circus was local.

  238. So where are we tonight…my phone was ringing tonight. 1. the Ohio democratic party wanted money: they were good to Hillary but the telemarketer then brought up winning the WH and so I let her know that I will not be giving any money to any democratic group because of how Hillary was treated. Ted Strickland is a very good governor, but I thought it was important to let anger be known. And I mentioned earlier that I was polled I think by our local democratic party on a local race and the presidential race. I was very happy to say unfavorable of Obama and that I would be voting for McCain.

  239. Charles, seriously – great article. There needs to be more uncovering of the Obama’s treasure chest.

    Tapper: I am SO happy that there’s a journalist doing their job. He nailed it and I hope that ABC lets him do his job and not interfere.

    Obama’s response: “Vetting the vetter?” WTF kind of response is that? 0bambi is a corporate tool – and what KILLS ME is that the “Blogger Boiz” railed Hillary about being too “corporate.”

    I wonder if they are covering this – heck what am I talking about, of course not.

  240. Yeah! The lights have come on! I have been enlightened!
    Strange. I still feel absolutely no affinity for Obama.
    Oh well.
    Party on, Conflucians and PUMAs!

  241. Charles: I am loving what Tapper is doing in the last couple of weeks. He is kind of sticking it to Obama in a quiet way but it does have some resonance. Obama is going to have a very rough time with many factions of the electorate. And it is not all about women.

  242. If a million or more of Hillary’s supporters (PUMA & others) it will be the kind of presence that insures Hillary and her delegates get the respect from the convention. If they don’t let her speak, then she can speak to us outside the convention hall. We could have many signs that read, “DNC: HILLARY OR MCCAIN! YOUR DECISION!

    Then depending on the final events at the convention, we can switch our Hillary signs to vote McCain signs put the fear into those jerks.

  243. Ben, great job, the Rebel Alliance is growing!

  244. Whole Foods also bought out Wild Oats. There was one just a couple of blocks from my house and it was pretty good. The produce was a bit higher priced than WF, though. Now we have 2 WF in town and they are only 4-5 blocks from each other. We’ve been waiting for a Trader Joe’s forever – never gonna happen. With gas prices so high, it’s now going to be walking to the grocers for me. And it will cost the same arm adn leg as driving to the chain grocers.

  245. RD, that’s great – chicken breasts are saved!

  246. ben c: Alright! I recommend that response to any polling organization. Just tell them you are a Democrat who will be voting for McCain. “Yeah, it’s the experience thing. I would have gone with Clinton but you know how that worked out. What choice did I have? The whole place is about to fall apart and I’m going to hand the keys over to a kid who just got his learner’s permit? In your dreams, pal!”
    Oh, I know you may not mean it.
    Then again, you may.
    Well, in any case, the DNC shouldn’t count on you.

  247. Feliz: excellent idea. It must be so infuriating to the Oborg. (I think I coined that term.)

    I can listen to Bush before I can listen to Obama. McCain is playing this right so far. make this election a referendum on Obama. And if we keep up the pressure Obama will spend most of his time trying to nail down the democratic base. Priceless!

  248. Jake Tapper over at Political Punch says some red state Dem congressman might not attend the convention.

    Also, Obama and Lieberman was said to have an “intense” conversation and Obama apparently accused Lieberman of being “half hearted” at combating the Obama is muslim meme. An Obama aide quoted a Lieberman quote in February that sort of similar to Hillary’s “as far as I know” meaning that Obama wants to guilt Lieberman into defending him. Good luck with that.

  249. rd`
    So happy to hear your lights are on and there is still somebody home (“I still feel no affinity for Obama.’ )

  250. As i also coined a while back, “We are The Resitance.” We aren’t going to be assimilated. There was a lady on Hannity tonight who was quite good as a ClintonSupporterforMcCain spokesperson.

  251. By the time I return – tomorrow night, the Rebel Alliance will be ginormous!

    i’m away…night all.

  252. Ben, you coined the O-borg? Wow, I’ve been using it a lot since it describes the whole “Resistance is futile” campaign to a tee.

  253. Ben – you are a poltical term birth machine!

  254. This thread is getting really long. RD or Katiebird should we start an overnight open thread? Are you still here?

    RD, I’m so glad you got your power back!

  255. If you ever spent time reading the Orange like I did a few years back one of the things that really gets under their skin is not falling completely in line. They so admire republicans for doing that and it really bugs them when we don’t act like them. Also, let’s stick up for Joe Lieberman…that really pisses them off.

  256. Does anyone really believe that mcCain will appoint far right judges? I actually don’t believe that at all. This is of course why the conservatives don’t trust him. But it’s also why the Roe argument is going to fall on a lot of deaf ears.

  257. Lieberman is good on most Dem issues except for the war.

  258. !! RD ! I’m so glad. Did any klondyke bars survive for a celebration?

  259. I probably shouldnt take credit for something when I’m not absolutely positive. But i was a star trek fan years ago…and well the connection with Jeri Ryan was so perfect that at least in my head I started it.

  260. McCain is a maverick

  261. I just peeked a look at Huff Po and there are supposedly 14 people in consideration for VP. Among them: JOHN KERRY!

  262. Pat: oh please! where do they come up with this,

  263. I’m here, BB.

    I was just thinking about Lieberman calling out Obama did anyone else hear about that? I read something at Charle’s blog (I think) and then on the news tonight a Lieberman spokesman said something about how Obama was NOT going to succeed in pushing Joe Lieberman around.

    First FOX News and now Lieberman…. This is upside down world.

  264. hlr,

    I guess it was wishful thinking to expect some of these SDs to stick around with her. But these senior senators like Mikulski should do something about the DNC trying to get Clinton to release her pledged delegates. It has never been done historically and Clinton and her supporters ought to be respected and recognized in the convention.

  265. BB, have you got an inspiration for a post? I’m fading fast

  266. ben: I have no idea but let’s face it, HuffPo is plugged into that campaign. There are 14 of them and he is one.

  267. I’m thinking her delegates will be released, unfortunately.

  268. The convention is an infomercial for obama. they don’t want a single clinton sign amongst the Collective.

  269. Ya know, regarding the Obama-Lieberman tiff.. what struck me from some articles about that was noting that Lieberman made an issue of Obama’s no-show for the vote on that (in)famous Kyl-Lieberman amendment.. and then Obama’s speech at AIPAC where he said the Iranian Revolutionary Guard should be designated a terrorist organization.

    Am I the only one who remembers the “liberal” blogs absolutely going batshit over Hillary’s vote for Kyl-Lieberman. Now, of course, Obama agrees with that and.. crickets. Yes?

  270. I don’t know. Just the other day Hillary was talking about needing those delegates to effect the convention platform. Without them, they get away with this.

    No, I don’t think she’ll be letting them go. They’ve shown no good faith and I doubt she trusts the Party leaders as far as she can hit them with a slingshot.

  271. Katiebird,

    I’ll think of something.

  272. Just spent about 20 minutes over at McCain’s website. The number of Hillary supporters blogging there is amazing. Even more amazing is the very warm welcome being extended by McCain Republicans. What a breath of fresh air!

    Obamabots are trying to invade/disrupt there – they stick out like a sore thumb among the very congenial, civilized bloggers.

    Based on the apparent numbers of Hillary supporters at McCain’s website, I would say Obama is facing a rather large problem this fall….

  273. depends on how they threaten her.

  274. dar1a-g: I remember that at one of the debates when most of the Dem candidates were still in. She got taken apart for her vote. He did not vote but castigated her anyway. Now his position is hers. Just like everything else he does, he takes it from someone else when it suits him. This time AIPAC. I bet he never did his own homework either.

  275. Ben, I wonder at what point (HA) they’ll realize that voters don’t respond well to bullies.

  276. excellent on the McCain site info.

  277. Well I think we really should take a cue from Jon Stewart when he said “presumptive nominee Obama, presumptive nominee McCain, and presumptive President Hillary Clinton”. I loved it, how true. Presumptive President Hillary Clinton it is.

  278. If Hillary were to release her delegates now she would have no leverage after this.

  279. Livetotell, Are you sure they aren’t “sweeties” My brain is reeling at the idea of real Hillary Supports already hanging out at McCain’s blog.

  280. Hi Regencyg, question: are you also known as Sauron Destroyer? I saw that PaganPower posted your article and I was surprised it didn’t have your name on it.

  281. Shez, I SAW THAT! Jon Stewart has a place in my heart for a reason.

  282. katiebird –

    They sounded like genuine Hillary supporters. And they are being welcomed with open arms. A very refreshing change from the disruptive, bullying Obamabot tactics. Very nice vibe there.

  283. SM, I’m not Sauron Destroyer at all. Can you let PaganPower know?

  284. They have a real problem. McCain is an acceptable alternative. The Republicans may have lucked into this one. If it were Romney or Huckabee my feelings would be different.

  285. The only bombastic posts there are from Obamabots. Everyone else is quite congenial.

  286. If McCain’s wife is truly pro-choice, he’s really into stem-cell research, and he has no desire to overturn Roe, I will not only vote for him I will help him win as the “He’s not that bad” candidate.

  287. As I’ve said before, I may not agree with McCain on everything, but I respect him. He gets my vote in the fall (barring any miracles happening for Hillary at the Dem convention).

  288. It’s at No Quarter – first post up right now. She said the author was “Sauron Destroyer” – UGH this pisses me off when people take other people’s work.

  289. Livetotell, I just went there. I didn’t see the Hillary supporters but I found some funny stuff about a chicken tax. I have NO idea what they’re talking about. But they do seem a light-hearted bunch.

    And it is nice to read the Obama jokes.

  290. katiebird –

    I’m surprised you didn’t see the Hillary supporters. The two threads I checked out were loaded with them.

    Except for the Obamabots, the blog was a pleasure to visit – commenters seemed genuinely nice and welcoming!

  291. Does anyone know what’s going with Obama’s birth certificate? Why won’t he release it?

  292. Pat, yes, Kyl-Lieberman got blown up into the next step to WWIII over at the cheeto blog and elsewhere, with John Edwards leading the charge and Obama right after, despite the fact that he was in the Senate that day and just couldn’t be bothered to actually vote on it. Nobody called him on that, well, some of us did but we were drowned out as usual. Edwards himself had advocated the same stance vis-a-vis Iran until it was politically convenient for him to change his stance and then he scrubbed his website language to make it seem like he hadn’t. (Link goes to the cheeto blog, but.. to something I wrote, at least.)

    I am sure some enterprising person could YouTube a comment or two from Obama in the debates on this subject, or perhaps in a speech or two at the time – and find how that plays against his recent AIPAC address. There may be some contradictions, I think.

  293. Regencyg, I posted a comment with you as the author and posted a link to your article.

    It’s the first post you see now.

  294. SM, now I have to be a bitch. I’ve been plagiarized before and I do

  295. I like the idea of work-role dressing at a Denver march, but a million-person march has been done. How about a Half-Million March? I’m just saying….

  296. you know I don’t know if his wife is pro-choice. his voting record is always anti choice. but, i respect him and he doesn’t bash gay people. If not Hillary, then I think he is what the country needs. He is flawed like everyone. he left his first wife for a rich young blonde former cheerleader to advance his political career. but those years as a POW are quite admirable.

  297. Hello everyone I went out to dinner with my bear friends and was backed like Lieberman into a corner for not supporting Obama-I just said ” Hillary was my first choice is choice Obama 536 (100 senators+435 Congressmen and 1 president= 536 choices in washington DC)

    – I said to them that we need to work together on the things we agree on like increasing our numbers in the house and senate to ensure that no matter what happens in November we are legistlatively(sic) stronger.

    There response sorry no can do if you dont support Obama then we cant support you.

    Oh well talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

    You guys make me Happy-and put a big grin on my face

    Love Fuzzybeargville

  298. Florence: He was born in a manger and they don’t have a knack for those things.

  299. She can’t and WON’T release her delegates for several reasons. She has way too many of her people that need to be filled into important slots on top of that, not to mention party platform issues to be dealt with. John Edwards isn’t being pressured into releasing his measly delegates any more than Teddy K wasn’t pressured to drop out when he was over 700 delegates behind and challenged a sitting fellow party president at the convention. This is all bullshit. One guy started it. One. One guy. Think back to the crap over the audience “plants”, that should be our only response, the guy is a real plant.

    From there another person somehow put out a bullshit story of falsehoods about a conference call and then that young lady on Fox repeated the wrong information and it goes viral as truth? And worse people are falling for this? Come on! Buck up, its all more haka pure and simple. I don’t know why they are so worried about a civil war when they already have a full blown feminist war on their hands. Rewatch that clip of the mama mountain lion that chases off the grizzly bear for fresh inspiration and fortitude. That’s how fiercely we will defend her well earned delegates and they can kiss my regal PUMA ass to try to tell me different. Mock them, it’s all they deserve.

  300. Charles I agree with you but i would think the Oborg expects a low republican turn out will set off those losses. As a gay man I know O has problems in the gay community. He had people working Gay Days at Disney World. Pathetic.

  301. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/prepared-remarks-obama-at-aipac-policy-conference/
    And we should work with Europe, Japan and the Gulf states to find every avenue outside the UN to isolate the Iranian regime – from cutting off loan guarantees and expanding financial sanctions, to banning the export of refined petroleum to Iran, to boycotting firms associated with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, whose Quds force has rightly been labeled a terrorist organization.

    Here’s Obama demagoguing Kyl-Lieberman earlier this year –
    http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071027/FRONTPAGE/710270355
    Earlier this year, Obama co-sponsored a different bill that also would have designated the Revolutionary Guards Corps a terrorist organization. Obama said he supports the designation, which could lead to economic sanctions, but opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment because it could be used to justify keeping troops in Iraq to prevent the expansion of Iranian power.

    Someone wiser than me, please explain, but does it seem like Obama carefully maneuvered this so he could claim later on, when convenient, that he supported a tough stance on Iran, and at the time, attack Hillary for being a warmonger? He went out there on the stump telling voters she was following the “Bush-Cheney doctrine” for crying out loud (yes, he did).

  302. Pro-Choice Democrats and McCain

    Interesting signals getting sent out.

  303. There is a new post up.

  304. #
    regencyg, on June 10th, 2008 at 11:12 pm Said:

    SM, now I have to be a bitch. I’ve been plagiarized before and I do
    —————————–
    from pagan’s blog, it looks like she took it from her comments section. Looks like that other person must have cut and pasted it as a comment without attribution or a link to the source — sometimes they don’t know how to put a link in the comment. I have seen others do that and it is irritating. You can also email Susan and she will correct it.

  305. Charles: I am wondering if the divide in the gay community might widen as he is now courting the so-called Christian leaders (pandering of course) but just the same. You may come to expect this from the Repubs, but a Democrat? Again, the lines are being blurred with the separation of church and state and if he has already aligned with McClurkin (or whatever his name is) it shows disdain for the rights of gays. Just another community again left out in the cold. Tell me how progressive this is? Again, the wool is repeatedly being pulled over the eyes of many constituencies. That is why I never understood Rachel Maddow in all this.

  306. we need to lobby Ferraro to become a PUMA. She’s the only high profile dem that has indicated she may not vote for Obama (I think, if there are any others, let me know).

  307. Regencyg, I got spammed when I posted the link, but I did post a few comments about the article appearing her by you on the Confluence.

  308. hlr –

    Very interesting article re: pro-choice Dems & McCain. Makes sense and reflects my sense of how McCain will approach the issue. Thanks for the link.

  309. gary: Brilliant suggestion!!! And would she carry this tune for us. That lady is fearless.

  310. Regencyg, I left you a little comment under your comment, asking you to email PaganPower/SusanUnPC directly with links to your article.

  311. Gary, Ferraro is a ROARING PUMA if I ever saw one.

    And HARRIET CHRISTIAN!!

    Anyone know how to get in touch with her? How about contacting Murphy at PUMA Pac as well so she can see there’s a collective???

  312. sm and pat—I’m serious. she would be awesome as a PUMA spokesperson. I can’t think of any other high ranking dem who has suggested as she has, that she may not vote for him.

  313. Re Denver….I’m not sure I even want to be in the same town with a whole mass of Obama thugs.

  314. Thanks SM! I see all your hard work. It got drowned out at first but I see now.

    Thanks so much.

  315. Hi Ben! I have been a Star Trek fan since the mid sixties when the series first aired. Even now I still watch reruns of the original series, then The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager and all the motion pictures. I like your Oborg word. To me, the principles or philosophies that permeated those series are in fact post racial, religious, ethnic, gender divisions, represented by characters such as Spock, Data, Worf, Diana, Crusher, Capt. Janeway, seven, B’lana. Principles that I thought, were at least nascent in the democratic party. What the party has done to Hillary Clinton shattered my beliefs in the party, at least for this year. And It makes me so sad.

    Indeed, the party and Obama have behaved like the borg. They think they can just assimilate everyone. I refuse absolutely and I will resist.

    I believe that the only way for me to fight back is with my one vote which I expect to take one away from Obama and give it to McCain. Call it the anti-Oborg triangulation.

  316. Lori (crying way down the thread):

    Please take a cue from Hillary; when you have setbacks in life, you don’t cry. You get up and keep on going. No matter what. If your cause is right, and it is, you just keep going no matter how insurmountable the situation seems. I think every one of us has taken away that lesson from this primary. Don’t mean to sound scolding, but we need everyone to be strong for this struggle that is approaching.

    Regarding TM, this is no sudden change of heart; she never made any secret of the fact that she would wholeheartedly support Clinton until it became obvious to her that Clinton had reached the end of the line. She also consistently said that she would then work as hard as she could to prevent a Republican from winning the White House. I believe that she was sincere in her support for Clinton and don’t believe she was using Clinton as a springboard for her career. If she’s spreading mis-information, it’s certainly required of us to call her out on it and to demand correction. But I would cut her some slack on the personal insults; she provided a haven for us when there were no others and I was led to the Confluence and Anglachel through her. She’s gone another way now; it’s her choice. Demand honesty but please don’t go overboard with the personal insults.

    Regarding Letterman, I’m a regular viewer but refused to watch Brokaw, as he is little better than Russert, Matthews, Williams, and the other NBC News boys. Letterman has often made good-natured jokes about Hillary and her pants suits; she even read some of those jokes herself when she was on. But lately, I think I’ve noticed a nastier tone to his Hillary jokes; last night I believe he said something about why didn’t she quit the race three months ago. He also has a standard routine where he rattles off about a dozen rapid-fire one-liners about John McCain (same as he did for Mitt Romney). But has anyone ever heard him make any such jokes about Obama? Even Letterman seems to be giving him a free pass. If anyone has heard any Letterman jokes about Obama of the same caliber as the Clinton and McCain jokes, please pass them on. As I said, I’m a regular listener but I don’t think I’ve missed any.

    Thanks to all of you bloggers and commenters for providing a great site.

    “DNC, SHOW ME THE RULE that allows you to give a candidate 59 delegates when he wasn’t on the ballot.”

    SHOW ME THE RULE!
    SHOW ME THE RULE!
    SHOW ME THE RULE!

  317. gary: How do we reach her?

  318. In previous post, only paragraph one was directed to Lori. The others were general observations. I apologize if that was misunderstood.

  319. My resistance to the Oborg collective consist of Phase I & II. Phase I is to join with others to try one last time to persuade the party that they are making a terrible mistake by fixing the nominating process. The only way to do that is through the clear and present threat of losing votes in November. In case they don’t listen, then I go to Phase II which is to execute the threat of voting against the party’s nominee if it is not Hillary.

    I am prepared to be called all kinds of names; presented with all sortsw of rationale. But my answer will be quite simple: It’s Hillary or McCain. Period.

  320. Livetotell

    Went to the McCain site and it did seem very welcoming to Hillary supporters. They acknowledge some infestation with the Big Zero trolls but I’ll be lurking there from time to time. Thanks

  321. I clapped in glee tonight when Shawn Hannity announced Breaking News, Campaign Alert. Gov. Ted Strickland in interview with NPR said that he woiuld not be interested in being Obama’s V.P. They pressed him further, he said he would campaign for him but that he more or less did not want the job. It sounded as though from what Hannity said, he left the impression that he didn’t think too highly of the Messiah as well. I think the true Hillary supporters are sticking by her. I love Ted Strickland and Ed Rendell and would love to know how Michael Nutter feels about the crookedness Obama and friends have pulled.

  322. gary: If we gathered up one each of the diaries posted by rd, katiebird, bb (especially the one devoted to Hillary), regency, Charles, Mawm, yourself, put them together with the PUMA credo and sent them overnight to her office, we might get a response. Just throwing thoughts out there.

  323. RegencyG, you know Scorpion & Conflucian sisters stick together!

    Please email her directly so she can change it.

    Makes me IRATE that this happened to you.

  324. SM: You are a darling and great to have on one’s side!

  325. Pat, thanks – right now I’m mad that our girl Regencyg is getting her article posted at No Quarter but Pagan Power hasn’t edited the “author.”

    (pacing and growling, PUMA style.)

  326. Pat

    Great Idea. It would be nice for her to see how impassioned and absolute our loyalty to Hillary is.

  327. RegencyG & Pat, Pagan changed it!

    Woo-Hoo! PUMA action!

    Now can the DNC change presumptive candidates?

  328. Score a win for the PUMAs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  329. myiq2xu,

    I have a question for all Conflucians:

    Does anyone here frequent (now or in the past) Hillaryis44?

    I’ve never been there, and I’ve never seen any Hillary supporters at the places I hang out refer or link to that place.

    I see Oborg referencing it all the time, and from the comments I have seen I suspect that it is a spoof site run by Oborg or GOP ratfuckers.”

    Yeah – I saw it referenced all the time at dailykos when the evil spawn of satan was the only topic for diaries + thought it was to make HRC support look idiotic.

    Now kos is spoonfeeding the faithfull: Obama beats McCain in NJ. Astonishing feat. But the kiddies are all wow…

    Actually he is losing ground in that Blue state: per electoral-college Rasmussen he was Obama 56 Mcain 32 in April, now McCain is closer. Interesting that kos frontpages Blue state polls showing Obama not losing to McCain. I am beginning to see him as an evil operative. He did a story on CA poll improvements then pressured the CA delegation to fold. They folded.

    Gov. Corzine of NJ was one of the eco supers who endorsed Clinton…I wonder if he must fold.

  330. lalafufu: Whoever Tim is he is representative of the Obamabots out there. A high grad jerk.

  331. Has anybody seen this about HRC asking her delegates to work hard for BHO and vote for him at the convention without officially releasing them?

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/clinton_asks_pledged_delegates.php

  332. Lala, I like you sometimes, but I defintely don’t agree with you.

    There is no racism here, I’m a woman of color and what made me a PUMA was when the DNC and RBC cheated and stole for the 0bambi to win.

    Good bye!

  333. Heh I wore my Hillary for President shirt at EPcot on Gay Day (was too hot so we ended up not going to Magic Kingdom.. drinking around the world in Epcot!) I had lots of people cheering and saying love your shirt, then there wee the few ones that try to stare me down..as if 😛

  334. @Pat Johnson don’t hate us. It’s our time. You’ll get yours one day 🙂

  335. […] Eat Me! (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) The heat is on. The DNC and Howard Dean especially is playing the villain, putting Hillary on the hot seat, pressuring her to give up her delegates… But we don’t negotiate with terrorists. We’ll see what the O-borg has to offer and if it does not meet our standards (and it’s about time *someone* starts holding him to a set of standards), the party will be notified on November 4th. […]

  336. […] Eat Me! (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) The heat is on. The DNC and Howard Dean especially is playing the villain, putting Hillary on the hot seat, pressuring her to give up her delegates… But we don’t negotiate with terrorists. We’ll see what the O-borg has to offer and if it does not meet our standards (and it’s about time *someone* starts holding him to a set of standards), the party will be notified on November 4th. […]

  337. Any body know if that madman can make her give up her delegates? I think we should write him and tell him he’s done enough damage , and retire or get fired!

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