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Nitecap: Thursday

It’s been a rough week and I’m back at Joe’s. Too many meetings yesterday, nonstop from 8 am to 5. Reports due. I need a break.

I come to Joe’s when I need some down time. The brightest lights are the amber glow over the polished wood surface of the long bar. Joe polishes it nightly with lemon oil and elbow grease. There are dusky niches with little round tables all clustered around a small stage.

I’ve seen this musician before, the slight girl with the long blonde hair. She can really sing the blues. But tonight she’s singing that Sting song that sounds about a thousand years old. I went to England for my brother’s wedding about 12 years ago and remember the golden fields of barley on the rolling English hills near Stonehenge. The older daughter carried the video camera up the path to an ancient hill fort. “Beautiful”, she said in her little girl voice into the camera microphone, “It is lovely all around.”

Set’em up, Joe. I’ll have a Macallans again if you’ve got it. And send a round to my friends, all 18 million of them.

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175 Responses

  1. I’m a non-drinker so I’ll take a sprite, thanks.

    Nov. 4, 2008, the day I say “I told ya so”

  2. At the risk of sounding like a suckup…

    I love you.

    Thank you so much…your writing is wayyy better than many other bloggers.

  3. lol@Regency…

    Ya know the saying “Smoke’em if you ya got’em!”

    Well, for me it’s “Drink it if it’s poured”

    🙂

  4. Go Celtics go!

  5. These are the nights I wished I still smoked. But I poured myself a glass of wine, remembered by own time in England and trip to Stonehenge [loved it!], and decided to mellow out.

    Tomorrow is another day!

  6. destardi: I wouldn’t feed my ego but I will say that this primary season brought something out of me that I knew was there but couldn’t quite reach. About the time that Hillary found her voice, I found mine.

  7. My partner responded today to Howard Dean’s donation request:

    Dear Howard:

    Consider this for change: you take a page from Karl Rove’s Nasty Election Tactics play book, stack the nomination against the People’s Choice, Hillary Clinton, manipulate delegates and caucuses, eliminate democracy until you succeed in getting what you want: the lest qualified and most politically untested and problematic candidate the Democrats could possibly offer for the November election, and then you come crawling to me for money as if I should ignore this rape.

    You discount the voter’s choice while claiming to change the Democratic Party. Well, yes you are, you are changing it for the worse. You and Obama and Pelosi and Kennedy have a Political Machine equal to McCain and it doesn’t give a damn about the voters.

    You are the ones sending Shockwaves through loyal Democrats. You have raised the ugly specters of sexism, ageism, class status and hatred, like we haven’t seen in
    decades. Gee, imagine that. This is what YOU have accomplished together. And as a result we will have a Republican president for four more years. This is not my fault. It is yours.

    And you want me to donate? Newsflash: this is no longer a party I care to belong to. You want money? Go fu&* yourself, donate your Doctor Dollars, I’m sure you have plenty.
    Sincerely,

    I’ll, um, have a Whiskey Sour, barkeep.

  8. rd: You are a trooper! Take a bow!

  9. riverdaughter, on June 5th, 2008 at 11:27 pm Said:
    destardi: I wouldn’t feed my ego but I will say that this primary season brought something out of me that I knew was there but couldn’t quite reach. About the time that Hillary found her voice, I found mine.
    ——————–

    And I am so thankful.

    Geez, I’m a guy, but I cannot tell you how good it feels to be here…you’re an intelligent, fair, “right minded” person, who I believe will do the right thing.

    Your posts are sincere, adamant, but retain a “chilled” quality.

    A quiet confidence,…

    I am disgusted at what has transpired, I am disappointed in people supporting obama (I personally don’t believe the support is nearly what people think it is). Seeing this intelligent, brave woman needlessly pummeled, and then expect her to turn around and grovel, and “unite the party” when it was obama and his dirty campaign makes me ILL.

    I know it’s politics; but obama crossed the line…lowest common denominator he is.

  10. LOL! Love your partner’s “Dear Howard” letter, CC! Sign my name, too.

    I’m nervous again tonight hearing that Hillary is meeting with Obama right now. Please say NO, Hillary, to anything he asks! I pray she doesn’t agree to be the VP!

  11. Pat: I’ve never been a joiner.

  12. Can we convene a committee to overturn the existence of the DNC?

  13. This primary has mostly made me sad, but opened my eyes.

    I’m hard pressed to believe I’ll ever care about a Democratic presidential candidate again. I’ll vote the top spot this time as a protest, but I may not vote for president again.

    Certainly, what is the point?

  14. rd: Me either, but what you did was create an area of safety for those of us like minded souls who know a good thing when we see it. That credit goes to you. And as you can see for yourself, your effort has touched many people across the country. Be proud. You are much loved.

  15. riverdaughter, i love this blog. i have recommended you to several of my friends, you are my homepage, i don’t know what i’d have done without you and the rest of the confluencians these past months. my gift tonight, to whomever is reading is this:
    Watch, TIVO, tape tonight’s Jon Stewart the Daily Show.
    He does a number on the pandering by Obama. He also skewers the MSM for its sexist attacks on Hillary.
    When I saw it, I called my friends on the west coast to tell them to watch. Then I called my daughter in Boston to tell her to TIVO it. I am taping it to send to my sister – the one who called me racist when i argued with her re:BO.
    It is my gift to you all for all you have given me.
    thank you.

  16. No drinks for me. I’ll be sitting here with my hot cocoa.

    RD: I hope you keep posting. I’d like to read your commentary about McCain vs. Obama this summer. I doubt I’ll comment much anymore (the open threads with so many people are a bit too much for me now), but I’d love to read your take on it and the DNC.

    However, if Clinton concedes tomorrow, I’ll just tune out from political coverage altogether.

  17. By “political coverage” I mean related to the GE.

  18. Teresa, Hillary in 2012, chin up.

  19. Davidson, I’ve already tuned out of political coverage. It’s weird because before this election I didn’t pay much mind to the news stations but now it’s a chore to avoid them. I have to seek things to watch.

    I have no interest in them without Hillary though. I know the DNC sold out the working class and we will not forget.

  20. Davidson, on June 5th, 2008 at 11:43 pm Said:
    No drinks for me. I’ll be sitting here with my hot cocoa.

    RD: I hope you keep posting. I’d like to read your commentary about McCain vs. Obama this summer. I doubt I’ll comment much anymore (the open threads with so many people are a bit too much for me now), but I’d love to read your take on it and the DNC.

    However, if Clinton concedes tomorrow, I’ll just tune out from political coverage altogether.
    ———————

    🙂

    By “political coverage” I mean never turn my TV on again. Ever.

    Seriously, I can’t stand to turn on CNN, msnbc, any of them…I am shaken. I knew that they are propaganda machines, but I never realized how MUCH.

    😦

  21. BTW: the Daily Show is re-run several times. so it won’t be hard to watch or copy it.

  22. Well everyone I’m off to bed. Actually, if it helps, it isn’t so bad here in this Collective out post of MD. I was in suburban MD, VA, and in DC today and only saw one Obama bumpersticker (on a brand new LEXUS!!!) and no yard signs. I was ever watchful for member of the OBORG, but I look like I should be one of them so I think they ignore me. I did see a man with a McCain 2008 button. So I would like a few shots of Cuervo chilled if you please. I, who has been up and down and all over the place the last few days, feels there is some traction out there for us.

  23. JJ Yeah, I’d vote for Hill in 2012, but otherwise, as long as they keep cranking out Kerry wannabes** there’s no point.

    **Wow, how a person’s life must suck to want to be Kerry.

  24. Davidson I hope we will see you back here. You see, we are the cool ones now, not the members of The Collective.

  25. Kerry wouldn’t have been such a disappointment if he’d let Ohio be counted.

  26. ben: Exactly. Somehow, someway this wrong will be made right. I just cannot provide a timetable, wish I could. But when somebody is treated this horribly sooner or later “what goes around comes around”. This lady took the blows and kept right on going. You cannot buy what she has deep inside of her. She forgave an errant husband, was a punching bag for the Right Wing, ridiculed, demeaned, scorned. Yet for all of that she stood strong. It will be corrected. Wait and see.

  27. The RNC has now been taken over by Axelrot and the Chicago political machine. I resigned this week from the DNC and have submitted the form to change my party affiliation to Independent.
    I loved the letter to Dean, I wish mine had been as eloquent but I think I made it very clear that by gaming this election for Obama, the “Democratic” Party had divided Democrats as never before and that they had guaranteed at least for more years of destructive Republican/Rovian policies.
    I’m having a class of Mondavi Chardonnay.

  28. Regency: Kerry wasn’t a fighter. On the other hand, do you think Clinton would have let that go?

  29. By the way, guys, if you can keep donating to Hillary to help her pay down her campaign debt. We want her to owe as little to Obama as possible. Until she concedes she can pay off her own debt.

    So $5 or $50 do what you can for our girl. She got screwed in every other way; let’s spare her this.

  30. cc: loved your letter to the DNC. I finally got “the call” from NARAL D.C. tonight, and I was just waiting for that. I was SO UPSET when NARAL endorsed Obama a few weeks ago, that I sent them an angry email then. With the woman on the phone tonight, I stopped her and said, “Don’t take this personally, but when NARAL endorsed Obama instead of Clinton several weeks ago, I emailed them and said I would NEVER ever give them another penny. So please write that down next to my name and phone number and convey that message to them.” She said she would.
    Oh, that felt good. I am so hopping mad at every group, politician or person who endorsed that arrogant crook that I will make them pay, starting now. And that’s a promise.

  31. Hillary would’ve told them to keep counting and ignored the pundits. I believe that.

  32. Here, we raise a glass to Ron, whose funeral was today.
    Hope you both are doing well down there. LYA

  33. Tonight’s margarita night, riverdaughter!

  34. In my room, we’re raising a glass to the working class. You worked so hard and no one listened. Eventually someone will. But when?

  35. BFF; So sad. That makes Hassan, Kevin and Ron in so short a time. Who am I forgetting?
    But you know, it is inevitable.

    To everything there is a season, and
    a time to every purpose under heaven:

    A time to be born, and
    a time to die;
    a time to plant, and
    a time to pluck up
    that which is planted;

    A time to kill, and
    a time to heal;
    a time to break down, and
    a time to build up;

    A time to weep, and
    a time to laugh;
    a time to mourn, and
    a time to dance;

    A time to cast away stones, and
    a time to gather stones together;
    a time to embrace, and
    a time to refrain from embracing;

    A time to get, and
    a time to lose;
    a time to keep, and
    a time to cast away;

    A time to rend, and
    a time to sow;
    a time to keep silence, and
    a time to speak;

    A time to love, and
    a time to hate;
    a time of war; and
    a time of peace.

    Wish you were here.

  36. Regency, We are all working class and I am very happy and content to be counted among their numbers, in spite of my college edjumicashun and nollij. I will always be the granddaughter of the busdriver and the mill hunk.
    We will not forsake them. They are us and we them. We go forward together or not at all.

  37. A couple fingers of a good dry sherry, Rico. May not even drink it … might just let the bouquet fill the booth as I pause to reflect …

  38. I’ve worked on so many campaigns in my life. I worked for Tom Hayden for a while. I always loved what I did. My son spent half of the first six years of his life sleeping under a table at a campaign office. He once at George McGovern for a babysitter. I was always so proud to be a Democrat. We were the good guys. We had sensible rules and we played by them because we were serious about the people’s business.

    I loved Howard Dean. And Dean got fucked too, but he got fucked by the media – not by John Kerry. So, even though Kerry was about 4th on my list – somewhere behind Carol Mosley Braun and someone else (maybe even Al, i can’t remember now), I could support Kerry wholeheartedly because I didn’t feel wronged by him. What happened to Dean sucked, but it wasn’t Kerry’s doing. I don’t have that here. What happened to Hillary sucked and the worst of the transgressions were committed by other Democrats against a Democrat. A Democrat whom we all knew could win in November against McCain and on behalf of a Democrat who will require luck to do so.

    I look at Hillary’s resume and i see a lifetime of progressive accomplishment on behalf of others. With Obama, I see a guy who couldn’t accomplish anything until other people wanted to make something out of him. I see a guy who has never done much of anything on behalf of others. I see a guy whose progressive actions all serve him more than others.

    Tonight, I just feel like so much of my identity has been lost. I understood the pragmatic choice of being a Democrat and fighting within the party for progressive policies. I have seen projects that I’ve worked on turn into bills that pass and change people’s lives – that’s why I value the Democrats. But nothing good comes out of a candidate who must cheat to win. Cheaters aren’t noble. Cheaters don’t take action on behalf of others.

    I have no tolerance for alcohol and it just makes me feel lousy. I’m just not sure what to do to feel better tonight.

  39. ronk: I hear you. We’re hard to live with, our type. I am so happy to know there are others like us.
    As few as we may be.

  40. There is an old saying which can also apply to Chicago politics: When you lie down with dogs you end up with fleas. That chapter has yet to be closed. This guy is dirty.

  41. Lori: Like I mentioned to ronk, we are few and far between and yet this year, there are a lot of people who comprehend what is going on.
    We are here and I am not going away. I have never been someone who caves to peer pressure.
    What has happened to our party is bigger than just Barack Obama. There is no one to speak for the elderly, poor and working class now-except us. This is now our responsibility. Can we do it? I think we can as long as we keep solidarity foremost. There is power in numbers.

  42. Go Hillary! There has never been a candidate for the top spot like you in my lifetime.

    The DNC could have had another Roosevelt but they chose an unqualified Rezko bagman.

    May the DNC go down in flames.

    NoBama! No Way!

  43. rd – I know! When this is all over (and I don’t even know what ‘over’ means), we gotta call up Hillary and take her out drinking.

  44. Riverdaughter, Hillary will always speak for the elderly, poor and the working class no matter if she is in the White House, the Senate or in private life. She always and always will.

  45. Add Mike (from radiolab — not sure you knew). He’d been retired for only 17 days. The “bad luck comes in threes” crowd not at all happy.
    Sweet dreams.

  46. Did anyone see any actual news about their meeting tonight? Has there been a press release or anything?

    What are you guys going to do if she’s VP? I don’t want to vote against her but I don’t want her to save his butt after how she’s been treated.

  47. In the last 48hrs, I haven’t met a single person IRL who echoes the party’s obsession with why didn’t she concede immediately. Everybody knows that there was a quick pile-on of establishment SDs with a win procured by the loser share of delegates in South Dakota.

    Also, what is quite unattractive for a nominee is presenting oneself as a victim. He’s Hillary’s victim, as usual, or the victim of phone calls to Clyburn’s office in SC, or …. it’s always POOR BARRY!!! But who wants a perpetual victim to fill a leadership role?

  48. tabbycat — I’m not going to worry about it until I have to.

  49. All I can say is, when Obama gets attacked by the Republicans I will not even flinch. Goodness, I defended Kerry like a maniac from every attack, even when it was deserved, I wanted a Dem in the White House so bad. But I won’t even flinch. Not after he and his campaign accused Hillary and Bill of being racist.

  50. This year sucks. I’ve been waiting since December 2000 for a chance to win the White House back. Now we’re fucked.

    I didn’t care that much for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis or Kerry, but I supported and voted for them. I’ve held my nose and voted downticket for other Dems.

    It’s not just that Hillary is the best candidate, it’s that she is the only qualified candidate.

    If Dodd or Biden was the nominee, I would be disappointed, but I would have no problem supporting them.

    Obama isn’t only unqualified, he has disqualified himself with the tactics he’s used in this campaign. When the campaign started I thought Obama would be a good choice for VP because he needs more experience.

    But no amount of experience can fix the fact that he is morally and ethically unfit.

  51. hlr, I don’t know anyone who is mad about that either. The way they did the one by one countdown with their super secret endorsements, why did anyone expect a concession Tuesday night.? That’s media bull (and Obama campaign bull).

    I wonder if they’ll fix it where they have a joint appearance Sat? I’ll bet those NY former supporters who have to rush home this weekend to campaign for someone who will win their districts by 90% will all of a sudden decide to be in DC this weekend.

  52. I would like to congratulate to some degree those last minute supers who came out for Hillary who had more than likely been threatened and knew what was going on. That took some guts on their part.

  53. myiq: Ditto

  54. MABlue,

    Did the Celtics win? I can’t believe they are actually winning like this. It’s been so long since Bird, Parrish, and McHale.

  55. myiq, I feel the same way (even though I think Dodd was pretty mean to Hillary too). I don’t like holier than thou people who are nothing but hypocrites. That’s how I think of Obama and his campaign.

    This may be only a rumor but someone on TL said that Fox said that Obama met with Hillary tonight with the condition that she wouldn’t bring up the VP position. I wonder if that’s true? Is he scared of her? Ha.

  56. Yes, Pat and we should reward them.

    As PUMA gets fleshed out we should pick out targets both to protect not just hunt. Those who stood by Hillary — especially newer folks — will be in Obama’s sights. (That’s just “business” in Chicago.)

    I imagine it’s like an Emily’s list — only gender neutral.

    It doesn’t only have to be money. We have some of the best writers and organizers on this blog.

    Regency I understand your sorrow over losing “identity.” But our identity as political activists is tied to what we do with our activism, not the title on our crusader capes. That’s the difference with the actual creative classes — much like our working class forebearers, our talents like with our brains and mouth, much like their’s lied with their brains and hands.

    Okay, I’m babbling . . . . adding cherry to top off my soda.

  57. I just redid my bloglist again. Gone is Taylor Marsh and a few others. I’m on the fence about TalkLeft – although i do like everyone there quite a lot and look forward to what they have to say. The Confluence is now my top bookmark.

  58. Damn, that should have been directed to Lori not Regency — response to babysitting comment

  59. Lori — where is your blog?

  60. New site started by a Hillary delegate from Las vegas

    http://www.hillaryvotersformccain.com/forum/

  61. Lori, stay at TL, too. They allow Republicans to post without any problems so they will let us. You can say however you feel as long as you don’t smear you know who.

    Go read the little poem Jeralyn just put up for Hillary. She said she’ll send that thread to her.

  62. lori–my sister was sobbing her heart out earlier because so much of her identity is tied to being a Democrat. She feels like by acting this way they ripped out not only her identity, but she used the phrase ‘a piece of my soul.’ I just didn’t know what to say to her, I suggested that we could look into the green party and see what’s going on in our area, but she wasn’t at all cheered up by that. This feeling of betrayal is so deep and she feels so untethered.

    that’s what makes me so angry, she’s the kind of young, idealistic, involved person who’s such an asset to this party and she’s been tossed aside for money and the kind of new voters who show up at political events to scream abuse as other democrats.

  63. When talking on CNN today, Obama answered the question about how he’d appeal to 45 year old women….

    The funny thing is, his parting shot was to go all schoolmarm on the womenz:

    “And Obama expressed confidence that the rifts will be mended. “Everybody just needs to settle down,” he said”

    I’m surprised he didn’t add – “sweetie.”

    Apparently, Obama’s woman problem is like with a bunch of children and they just need to settle down (and stop making it uncomfortable to him).

    If we don’t settle down, then he’ll resort to flipping the lights off and on.

  64. Seriously, I feel the same way as your sister. What happened to my party? Why do they hate the Clintons so much? I love politics but now I hate both sides. I’m homeless and I can’t even think about the Green Party because of Ralph Nader and 2000.

  65. Normally I have no problem visiting blogs that hold views different from mine, even if they are completely the opposite.

    But apparently being “pro-Obama” means a departure from reality.

    The RFK fauxrage is a classic example. The “rational” Obama sites like Crook&Liars, Media Matters and Hullaballoo simply ignored it. The rest were delusional.

  66. SETTLE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  67. It is pay back time, isn’t it? I live in SF and was able to NOT vote for Pelosi on Tuesday. It felt great and hopefully it is the just the beginning of really making our votes count.

  68. Nell — He will do what he has always done, rely on others. Gloria Steinem was rolled out today.

    He always has ppl speaking for him, but he will never speak directly to you.

    Others that will get involved will be Oprah, etc.

    What’s funny is that if he plans to rely only on surrogates, what he needs is a woman in a strong leadership position who is widely respected. His real problem is that there is no such woman in America today. No, Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have the profile.

  69. You mean Gloria Steinem is now onboard?

  70. Let me add to my last comment:

    When someone pops in here and starts using racial slurs against Obama or claims he is a Muslim, they get slapped down quick. The crazy stuff gets no play here or at any Hillary site I’m familiar with.

    But you can say anything you want about Hillary at most Pro-Obama sites, as long as it’s bad.

  71. Pat Johnson — yes. The same old blather about Hillary having established a precedent but now get on the Obama train.

  72. Obama must see us in his mind’s eye as a group of unruly little girls sitting in the back of the bus jumping up and down in our seats. Just yelling to the back, “settle down” will be enough to put us in our places. I cannot believe anymore of this crap tonight.

  73. I’ve noticed that too, hir.

    He trots out his wife like “hey I know a woman and understand women.”

    And what is up with appointing Caroline Kennedy as one of three on his VP search group?

    Is Oprah and the womenz expected to clap — a nice, photogenic, Talbots, well-behaved Kennedy on the search group? Could he not find a better qualified woman? Or is this sort of patronage what we have to expect?

  74. hir: I couldn’t be anymore disappointed. She was a pioneer way back when. She came out strong for Hillary in the beginning. Wow.

  75. myiq2xu said, But you can say anything you want about Hillary at most Pro-Obama sites, as long as it’s bad.

    I would add: “and you forget grammar, never heard of verb conjugation, and can’t spell.”

  76. The DNC pimped Obama, Rev Wright is back, Oprah is doing a “happy dance”, Gloria Steinem defected, this has been one sorry night. We are royally f**ked.

  77. Prolix: And do it all in CAPS. That always works for me.

  78. Pat…Obama is going to walk to the chalk board and start taking names!

    Really, now, we should be making him comfortable. Settle down and stop your hen pecking!

    Gee, and we thought Hillary was the only scolder. He’s going to lose his patience! He will turn this car around!

    It’s really unexpected to him that an overlooked electorate would cause so much trouble for him….gee…we were supposed to have no where else to go.

  79. Pat, I agree, there’s nothing like screaming, “I’m an idiot,” to really make a point.

  80. Pat Johnson — here is my take.

    I am practically beside myself that we are going to have another election where each party will see who can do the best job of ‘protecting’ women. It’s always one of three things: choice, crime, and now terror.

    It’s only now that the Hillary’s campaign is over that I realize how devastated I am not to have a woman directly involved in the protection racket.

    Gloria Steinem is considerably older than I am, and my general take on her generation is that this has become something of a cottage industry for them. Second, I don’t see them acknowledging that things are getting worse, not better. I just find it unacceptable at this point. So while she is falling back to her ‘Dem party loyalty’ role, whereas I think the Dems need to understand that we’re serious.

  81. No, Pat. We are fine and will be fined.

    We just need to act like regular Americans and either (a) laugh our asses off at them and/or (b) ignore them.

    It’s what I’ve talked about there. They treat everything like it’s a ride for their entertainment. For Gawd’s sakes, he’s taking a “poverty tour” with Edwards — i.e. going to see the poor in their natural habitat.

    Spoke to non-plugged in neighbor and coworker today. Both are Hillary supporters going what the hell is going on. The neighbor told me her friends are all voting McCain. Not sure yet about the coworker.

    But neither are buying into haka. They turn off news anyway and stay off blogs. However Obama has not fooled either one of them.

  82. I need to find some sleep — here are typo corrections

    will be fine (though fined is probably Freudian slip :>)

    “wondering what the hell is going on.”

  83. Hi, gals & guys, I did some variations of a puma logo.

    A bit of blog peddling.. *hangs head in shame*

    Puma LOGOS

    Have a look and give some constructive criticism if you may. 🙂

  84. To make myself clear — I don’t think Dems will do bare minimum unless forced.

    I mean, for crying out loud, I’ve been hearing this ‘wage equity’ bs All My Life. Why Obamabots think I might get stirred up over McCain (honestly) not supporting it is beyond me.

    The % of women in elected office is pathetically low in the US.

    And now BO says I need a pastor for an abortion? What’s all this about? I’m an atheist, for crying out loud.

  85. People who depend on the public are afraid not to jump on the bandwagon. They’ll lose access.

    myiq, I didn’t know there were any “rational” Obama blogs. I never ran around the internet too much. Just DKos and TL and a little bit of MyDD and FDL. I left them all except TL back in Feb. I found this place in late January and then from here, I’ve found others to go to. I like your posts at Corrente by the way. I’m still trying to figure out the cast over there though other than you and Lambert. And Iphie (?) is also good.

  86. HI , I can’t sleep. Keep hopping around the blogs, not sure what I’m looking for.

  87. by the way, my mother reminds me the Dems have a history of backroom deals.

  88. Let me try this again. Don’t know why it went into the spam filter. hehe..

    Here are some logos for puma I did. A bit of blog peddling here. >.<

    Puma Logos

    Have a look and give some constructive criticism if you will.

  89. Initially I wondered what I would do with my Hillary bumper sticker on my car. Should I take it out and replace it with a Democrats For McCain sticker? After thinking about it, I decided to keep it as an act of defiance to those who would cave in to the evil that has seized control of the Democratic Party and its nomination process.

  90. hlr, it’s like the abortion thing. how many times have i heard from the sexist blogger boyz and their politician buddies, oh sorry girls, but you’re not doing enough for us, so we’ve got to dump that issue and any others you care about to attract this vast hoard of more appealing Republicans who would be voting for us except for you bringing us down with your noxious support? uh, a lot. but now that’s the one issue where they’re ready to fight and die, so i have to vote for them or else.

    pandering is nice…actually backing it up with actions is nicer. It’s weird, but if you keep pulling the football away, i tend to not trust you anymore.

  91. The “rational” Obama blogs were just undeclared, like Donna Brazile.

    Look at the Rev. Wright scandal and the ABC debates.

    None of the “neutral” blogs was critical of Obama re: Rev. Wright, and they all went postal after the ABC debate. Where was the outrage after the NBC debates?

    With the exception of the Pro-Hillary blogs, there has been virtually nothing negative said about Obama in the lefty blogosphere. The coverage is either favorable or a blackout of negative stories.

    The RFK fauxrage got completely ignored by Digby, C&L, and Media Matters. Same with Shakesville.

    None of the “rational” voices spoke out and said it was crazy. The didn’t participate, which is good, but they did nothing to stop it, which is bad.

    I’m really disgusted with the so-called “progressive bogosphere.’

  92. Remember when they said they’d never allow another democrat to be swiftboated?

  93. The “rational” Obama blogs were just undeclared, like Donna Brazile.

    Donna Brazile single-handedly has redefined the meaning of undeclared/neutral. Somebody should add this to her wiki entry for posterity.

  94. Seriously – Remember when they said they’d never allow another democrat to be swiftboated?

    Democrats are always victims. BO is a perfect nominee in that sense.

  95. Joe–why not both? i may squeeze in a McCain among all the Democratic stuff i have.

  96. He has raised whining to an artform. i don’t think that’s going to wear well, especially when combined with the sneering.

  97. myiq2xu: “progressive bogosphere.’

    bogosphere, perfect. dead plant material, yes.

    As a bonus, in the UK, toilet paper is referred to as a bog roll.

  98. The term “progressive blogosphere” has now become an oxymoron like “compassionate conservative.” It lost out when the frat boyz and their female enablers decided progressive meant what they dictated as “kewl.”

    But now we have our own blogs to visit and populate. Like anything else these pixels are a tool waiting to be used. Let us go bravely forward together.

    (However, we need to find a way to carry it out to folks not tied to the computers.)

  99. I wonder if PUMAPAC could do this:

    What about raising money for a 30 second video of clips of all the misogynistic remarks the MSM made about Hillary. Indyrobin, who used to be at TM, made a great one that got some audio play on NPR and was featured on Nightline- it’s on YOUTUBE

    It’s over 9 minutes long – but maybe she would make a 30 or 60 second version – just a stream of comments like “witch” “she-devil”, “only a candidate because her husband cheated on her”, etc. End with – “Response from the DNC – silence. Response from Obama – silence. Remember this in November.”

    And there are plenty of new ones – like primary night when one fellow on MSNBC said Hillarys had her matronly arms a’ flappin’.

    Maybe WomenCount pac would hook up with PUMA to help pay airtime for a spot. Is that allowed – 2 or more pacs hooking up for a project?

    Anyway, it wouldn’t need to run very many times – the airing of it would cause enough controversy to get free time on the very news shows that made the sexist comments! PERFECT PAYBACK!

  100. LA – love idea.

  101. LAMusing – I think its a good idea, but some of the issues of editing what IndyRobin and GeekLove did is that the PAC or 527 would have to pay to license copyright of the news clips. Better to produce original material. Maybe they should pay Flineo to do some of this stuff. God knows he deserves it. He’s talented and can churn it out.

  102. I’m here, the last refuge in this insane world. I remember how I felt when Bush got elected in 2000 and 2004. Those feelings are back, but this time, it’s the DNC that fixed the election. Every time I read the “get in line” to support Obama, it’s like whip hitting my soul. Not this November. I registered “unaffiliated” yesterday. Now I can say that I used to be a Democrat, but it was an abusive co-dependent relationship that had to be terminated.

  103. *******************************
    ATTENTION HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS

    ACTION ALERT!!

    UPDATE ON FLORIDA DELEGATES
    *******************************

    Learn more about what Barack “Mr. Unelectable” Obama, the DNC, and media in the tank for the presumptuous nominee do not want you to know about or read about or follow or share with others about:

    Geller v. Democratic National Committee

    Yes, indeed!

    GELLER V. DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE

    Steven A. Geller, Barbara Effman, and Percy Johnson,

    Plaintiffs,

    v.

    The Democratic National Committee,

    Defendant.

    CASE NO:

    08-cv-60774

    Case Information
    Updated: June 5
    Current Court: U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida (Case 0:08-cv-60774)
    All Courts: U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida (Case 0:08-cv-60774)
    Topic(s): Selection of Presidential Electors
    State: Florida
    Date Filed: May 22, 2008

    Issue: Plaintiff is seeking injunctive relief in the form of an order requiring the DNC to honor votes that were cast in the Florida Democratic primary election. Plaintiff alleges constitutional violations and violations of the Voting Rights Act.

    Status: Complaint filed 5/22/08.
    District Court Documents

    COMPLAINT against Democratic National Committee (filed 5/22/08)

    Summons Issued as to Democratic National Committee (filed 5/22/08)

    Order Requiring Counsel to Confer (entered 5/27/08)

    This case has not been dismissed and is moving forward.

    And guess what, the DNC is going to lose this one.

    Outcome: FULL seating of Florida delegation with 100% voting rights at the convention!!

    Here is a link to where you can download a copy of the lawsuit (please read it for yourself) that is going to force the DNC to do their F’n job and seat the FULL Florida delegation with 100% voting rights!

    The Obama campaign does not want America to read what is in the lawsuit – it exposes what the DNC did – and rightfully lays the groundwork for the court to order the DNC to seat the delegations in full with 100% voting rights)
    http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/GellervDNC.php

    Spread the word!!

    Follow this case!!

    Get involved!!

    SPREAD THE WORD!!

    The RBC and DNC are in DIRECT VIOLATION of the law and the charter of the Democratic Party with their actions concerning Michigan and Florida. And that is just the beginning.

    The DNC has been issued a summons.
    The DNC will be filing a response soon.

    I wonder what the Obama campaign thinks of this legal challenge? Will Mr. Unelectable and his attorneys be working twith the attorneys of the DNC to try and stop the lawsuit? You know they will! But those that oppose it will not prevail!

    NOW is the time to ACT!

    NOW is the time to STAND UP!

    FULL SEATING OF FLORIDA (AND MICHIGAN) AS THEY VOTED WITH 100% VOTING RIGHTS!!

    The suit above will prevail.

    And just wait until all those Spartans and Wolverines up in Michigan learn about this!

    THE DNC and RBC violated the law!!

    The ObamaCONS and trollers should read the lawsuit before popping off your mouths and saying the suit will be dismissed.

    READ THE PLEADING!! READ THE PLEADING!! READ THE PLEADING!!

    NEITHER OBAMA NOR THE DNC IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP IT!

    WHY?

    1. PUBLIC BACKLASH TO ACTIVELY FIGHTING IN COURT TO BLOCK FULL SEATING OF THE DELEGATION!!

    2. THIS CHALLENGE HAS LEGS!!

    3. THE PRIOR CHALLENGES THAT WERE DISMISSED BY THE COURT, F YOU READ THE COURTS’ OPINION, YOU’D KNOW THEY MADE IT CLEAR THAT THIS KIND OF CHALLENGE WOULD HAVE STANDING AND WILL STICK!

    WHY? THE RULE OF LAW!!

    And we know how the likes of Donna BrazileNUT AND THE dnc AND rbc want to follw the rools.

    wRIGHT?

    😀

    The media is in full blackout mode over this legal challenege to the DNC concernign the Florida delegation.

    Bot now you know!!

    SPREAD THE WORD!!

    DENVER IS LOOKING BETTER ALREADY!!

    HANG TOUGH, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS!!

    FOLLOW THIS CASE!!

    SPREAD THE WORD!!

    SPEAK OUT AND SPEAK UP!!

    LET YOUR VOCIES BE HEARD ON FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN!

    I firmly believe this case will be upheld. And then you know what will happen, the required number of delegates to win the Democratic Nomination will increase.

    Then, with the Florida ruling, the penalty against Michigan will be immediately challeneged and they too will have to be seated in full with full voting rights as the voters VOTED!!

    PAYBACK’S A BITCH, AIN’T IT?

    TIME IS ON OUR SIDE, AND SO IS THE LAW!

    NO RETREAT!!

    NO DEALS!!

    NO CONCESSIONS!!

    NOBAMA!!

    (I posted this tonight on TL, too) 🙂

  104. But add in obnoxious statements obama and other Democrats have made, like obama’s ‘she’ll do anything to win,’ michelle refusing to say she’d vote for her, ‘dirt off the shoulder,’ etc.

  105. epicurious, on June 6th, 2008 at 1:59 am Said:

    I don’t think you have to pay licensing on news clips if what you are using them for is not for profit. I’m sure there are lawyers on this site or on Camille’s site that would know for sure.

  106. Iron man, thing is though, emperor palpatine is going to graciously allow the delegations to be seated with full votes now that their votes have been neutered and it no longer matters, so that would prevent the suit from going forward, wouldn’t it?

  107. Seriously, on June 6th, 2008 at 2:03 am Said:
    But add in obnoxious statements obama and other Democrats have made, like obama’s ’she’ll do anything to win,’ michelle refusing to say she’d vote for her, ‘dirt off the shoulder,’ etc.

    I think that could be a whole second spot! First one on sexist statements to nail the DNC. MSM and Obama for his silence, then one on dismissive statements by BO and other dem spokespeople, and maybe “she’s done!”, “it’s over!” statements they started making way back after IOWA in an attempt to bury her campaign and reduce her ability to fundraise.

  108. Sounds great, LA. There’s also the “she won NH becuse of racist white women” because of course, there culd be no possible reason to vote for her, meme.

  109. Let’s channel our energy! This is from A****, a Democratic activist extraordinaire:

    ” It would be great if we could reform our own party, but the way they have
    been acting makes it clear that they do not care what we think.

    Whether they care or not, it can be done if we stick together. After Dean
    dropped out, Dean for America stuck together and became Democracy for
    America. Local clubs all over the US, coordinating via Meetup.com and Yahoo
    groups, continued to meet and plan how to change the Dem Party from within.
    Members ran for and won delegate spots on state parties. There was a major
    influx of these new activists all over the country. In CA, DFA delegates
    became something like 25% of the total elected delegates in the first 2-year
    cycle, and more after that — HUGE. These activists organized to make sure
    Howard Dean became DNC Chair, and did the same for DFA endorsed candidates
    at all levels all over the country — including many 2006 congressional
    wins. You can see the results of all this well-coordinated, focused
    activism. In under 4 years, they’ve essentially taken over the Dem Party
    from within. My hope is that Hillary will lead a similar effort. I assure
    you whether she does or not, the Obama people definitely will — meaning
    that they could “have the power” in the 2012 cycle.

    You can’t participate in taking back the Dem Party if you’re not a Democrat,
    though. I know how tempting it is to change registration and be done with
    it. But what if we could stay in and fight? Isn’t that what Hillary would
    want?”

  110. I miss seeing the Clinton/McCain matchups, and then I realized it was those matchups that meant she had to go. She is doing better against McCain. They didn’t want buyer’s remorse to set in even more than it already has against “the chosen one”. They didn’t want anyone to see that it was a growing trend.

    But remember, guys, we should all just “settle down”. If he thinks we’re going to do that, the guy is more of a radical nut than I thought.

  111. Sounds great, LA. there’s also the ever popular, ‘she win nh because of r—– white women,’ meme.

  112. We need a woman’s party. The Democratic Party is a nest of rats, like the Republican Party.

  113. I think he may be the most politically inept candidate ever, and that includes Kerry, giuliani, and Romney. even bush might have more sense than to say something like ‘settle down’

  114. I think that Obama, coming from Chicago, has a different way of getting what he wants. “Settle down” is so Chicago.

  115. Just want to make sure this is posted. Having some computer problems tonight. Thanks!! Will check back tomorrow (later today) 😀

    *******************************
    ATTENTION HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS

    ACTION ALERT!!

    UPDATE ON FLORIDA DELEGATES
    *******************************

    Learn more about what Barack “Mr. Unelectable” Obama, the DNC, and media in the tank for the presumptuous nominee do not want you to know about or read about or follow or share with others about:

    Geller v. Democratic National Committee

    Yes, indeed!

    GELLER V. DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE

    Steven A. Geller, Barbara Effman, and Percy Johnson,

    Plaintiffs,

    v.

    The Democratic National Committee,

    Defendant.

    CASE NO:

    08-cv-60774

    Case Information
    Updated: June 5
    Current Court: U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida (Case 0:08-cv-60774)
    All Courts: U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida (Case 0:08-cv-60774)
    Topic(s): Selection of Presidential Electors
    State: Florida
    Date Filed: May 22, 2008

    Issue: Plaintiff is seeking injunctive relief in the form of an order requiring the DNC to honor votes that were cast in the Florida Democratic primary election. Plaintiff alleges constitutional violations and violations of the Voting Rights Act.

    Status: Complaint filed 5/22/08.
    District Court Documents

    COMPLAINT against Democratic National Committee (filed 5/22/0

    Summons Issued as to Democratic National Committee (filed 5/22/0

    Order Requiring Counsel to Confer (entered 5/27/0

    This case has not been dismissed and is moving forward.

    And guess what, the DNC is going to lose this one.

    Outcome: FULL seating of Florida delegation with 100% voting rights at the convention!!

    Here is a link to where you can download a copy of the lawsuit (please read it for yourself) that is going to force the DNC to do their F’n job and seat the FULL Florida delegation with 100% voting rights!

    The Obama campaign does not want America to read what is in the lawsuit – it exposes what the DNC did – and rightfully lays the groundwork for the court to order the DNC to seat the delegations in full with 100% voting rights)
    http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/GellervDNC.php

    Spread the word!!

    Follow this case!!

    Get involved!!

    SPREAD THE WORD!!

    The RBC and DNC are in DIRECT VIOLATION of the law and the charter of the Democratic Party with their actions concerning Michigan and Florida. And that is just the beginning.

    The DNC has been issued a summons.
    The DNC will be filing a response soon.

    I wonder what the Obama campaign thinks of this legal challenge? Will Mr. Unelectable and his attorneys be working with the attorneys of the DNC to try and stop the lawsuit? You know they will! But those that oppose it will not prevail!

    NOW is the time to ACT!

    NOW is the time to STAND UP!

    FULL SEATING OF FLORIDA (AND MICHIGAN) AS THEY VOTED WITH 100% VOTING RIGHTS!!

    The suit above will prevail.

    And just wait until all those Spartans and Wolverines up in Michigan learn about this!

    THE DNC and RBC violated the law!!

    The ObamaCONS and trollers should read the lawsuit before popping off your mouths and saying the suit will be dismissed.

    READ THE PLEADING!! READ THE PLEADING!! READ THE PLEADING!!

    NEITHER OBAMA NOR THE DNC IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP IT!

    WHY?

    1. PUBLIC BACKLASH TO ACTIVELY FIGHTING IN COURT TO BLOCK FULL SEATING OF THE DELEGATION!!

    2. THIS CHALLENGE HAS LEGS!!

    3. THE PRIOR CHALLENGES THAT WERE DISMISSED BY THE COURT, F YOU READ THE COURTS’ OPINION, YOU’D KNOW THEY MADE IT CLEAR THAT THIS KIND OF CHALLENGE WOULD HAVE STANDING AND WILL STICK!

    WHY? THE RULE OF LAW!!

    And we know how the likes of Donna BrazileNUT and the DNC and RBC want to follow the rools, wright? 😀

    The media is in full blackout mode over this legal challenge to the DNC concerning the Florida delegation.

    But now you know!!

    SPREAD THE WORD!!

    DENVER IS LOOKING BETTER ALREADY!!

    HANG TOUGH, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS!!

    FOLLOW THIS CASE!!

    SPREAD THE WORD!!

    SPEAK OUT AND SPEAK UP!!

    LET YOUR VOCIES BE HEARD ON FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN!

    I firmly believe this case will be upheld. And then you know what will happen, the required number of delegates to win the Democratic Nomination will increase.

    Then, with the Florida ruling, the penalty against Michigan will be immediately challenged and they too will have to be seated in full with full voting rights as the voters VOTED!!

    PAYBACK’S A BITCH, AIN’T IT?

    TIME IS ON OUR SIDE, AND SO IS THE LAW!

    NO RETREAT!!

    NO DEALS!!

    NO CONCESSIONS!!

    NOBAMA!!

    (I posted this tonight on TL, too)

  116. LAMusing, I love that idea. I had suggested something to WomenPac earlier about playing a 30-60 second run of the clips and then putting up the phone numbers of the news stations and telling people to call and ask them to stop the sexism now. But I guess they weren’t to into that. But if we could run it against the DNC, or maybe even say that we will remember the silence and then ask them to call the networks and demand a formal apology or something that would be great…

    I believe, however, that WomenCount PAC said they would back Obama when he got the nomination, so not sure they would help us with anything anti-DNC. But I am all for raising the money ourselves. Now Hillary doesn’t need our money. I know through HLF’s drives on Taylor’s sites, we raised thousands and thousands….it would take several hundred thousand, obviously.

  117. I just read CB’s post in the other thread and didn’t realize we had a thread change, so forgive me for posting this again. I really need to express how I feel about it, I’m so outraged.

    CB, your post just confirms for me what I’ve long suspected: that this whole thing was a fix right from the beginning, and Sen. Clinton didn’t really have a chance. This is so outrageous that I hardly know what to do with it. This is a total subversion of democracy. This is a total disenfranchisement of the voters on every level. It’s a good thing I don’t live on the East Coast, or I’m afraid I’d have to rearrange Mr. Dean’s face for him. What you are telling us is that basically the whole party fell in line for 30 pieces of silver. James Carville was prescient in accusing Richardson of being a Judas. But even he probably didn’t expect that the whole party would be complicit. And we wonder why nothing ever gets done in Congress, or why they just keep enabling Bush? Evidentally, none of them have any independent thought whatsoever.

    This just disgusts me on so many levels. We need a damn president a hell of a lot more than the party needs more money. Quite frankly, the party would have had plenty of money if they had shown any support for Hillary. The whole reason they DON’T have any money is because so many of us stopped giving them money because of the FL/MI situation. If they had done right by Hillary, they would have all the money they need.

    What is also pretty crazy about this is the fact that it is almost certain that Obama didn’t get all that money from small donors. There have been many trying to investigate this on No Quarter. It sounds more like the money came directly from Wall Street and was made to look like Internet donations. Obama may have young supporters, but there is a limit to how much money college students have. That means they aren’t going to get any money from most of those donors. So they sold us out for nothing! And on a related note, every single Clinton donor got cheated out of their money. Not by Hillary, of course, but by the DNC.

    I’m really having a hard time getting my head around this because the whole thing is just so despicable on so many levels. And the fact that they would do it now, when we have so many problems that will NOT get fixed with Obama or McCain, just makes it worse. May these a**holes rot in h*ll! Sorry for the French, but this is just beyond the pale.

    I really don’t think we should let them get away with this. I think we should get this information out as many places as possible. We should also let every SD know that WE know they sold us out. Let them know that they aren’t getting away with it, because WE know. I would love to see this plastered all over the news. I used to hate how Fox would tear down the Democratic Party, but this time, they richly deserve it. Unity, hah! Let’s shove their damn unity where the sun don’t shine!

  118. Obama, “Settle DOWN, Sweeties! She was likable enough, but I’m the rock star. I don’t see my supporters voting for her, but the her voters will come around to me. I’m the greatest!”

    (BTW, Senator Clinton won a Grammy, too– for her reading of “Living History.)

    “I’d like to scratch his (Bill Clinton’s) eyes out! …. just kidding.”

    Classy First -Lady-Striving-To- Be Michelle Obama in front of the journalist who was writing her “New Yorker” profile.

  119. Emily’s list was fu*#ed too by McCaskill. Emily’s list supporter her campaign, and when Emily’s list asked McCaskill not to support Obama, she gave them the finger.

  120. JJ

    The new PUMAPAC.org is perfect for the video idea:

    Puma PAC is a political action committee organized in June 2008. We are motivated to action by our shared belief that the current leadership of the Democratic National Committee has abrogated its responsibility to represent the interests of all democrats in all 50 states. They are misleading our party and aim to mislead our country into nominating an illegitimate candidate for president in 2008. Our goals are fourfold:

    1. To support the candidacy of Hillary Clinton

    2. To lobby and organize for changes in leadership in the DNC

    3. To critique and oppose the misogyny, discrimination, and disinformation in the mainstream media, including mainstream blogs and other outlets of new media

    4. To support the efforts of those political figures and groups who have allied themselves with Hillary Clinton and who have demonstrated commitment to our first three goals

    I know it would take some dough, but WomenCount pac raised a few hundred thousand really quickly, don’t see why PUMAPAC couldn’t. There are A LOT of angry women (and men!) – angry about the sexist attacks. Some will vote McCain, but some won’t. For those that won’t vote or donate to McC, but don’t want BO in the White House – here’s a cause they could donate to!

  121. You know, I really respect organizations like Emilys List and NOW, but what KILLS me about them this election cycle is that they did not take a STRONGER MORE RADICAL stance against the sexism. Obviously, they did more than anyone else, and I respect them for that. But why didn’t they lead the threats of a national boycott against the DNC if they didn’t speak out? Why aren’t they now organizing to help women ensure that our concerns are addressed in an Obama administration in a way that goes beyond our uteruses. And even against the sexism they really held out until it got unbearable, no one except Marcia Pappas at NY NOW was willing to speak out early and often. It really bothers me. If we, as women, don’t take a hardline stance for our own rights, who will? These organizations are not willing to play hardball because they are so scared of losing access, just like Steinam, but I really think that is a mistake. Sometimes things need to get worse to get better, but by coming back again and again even after women are outright abused, I really think they are sending a doormat message to the DNC. Walk all over us if you must, we will return to protect our uteruses when all is said and done.

  122. Can people gather signatures and put a candidate’s name without that person’s consent? I think we should put Hillary Clinton in some states, like CA and FL.

  123. prabhata, it’s not Emily’s list’s fault, but yeah, I think they’re going to see a huge falloff in donations. 🙂 Maybe if they agreed to never again support any of the ‘I support bo because my 7 year old likes him’ brain trust.

  124. LaMusing, WomenCount had some REALLLLY high profile people behind it, like the head of Benetton (hmm…remind me to shop there more to support her), so they could get media access really fast which allowed them to raise money really fast. Any organization, WomenCount or Hillary Reponders, that are community to riding the unity pony won’t help us with this. Can we get other high profile folks involved who are not interested in unity?

    HLF would be a good person to get in touch with about this because she has higher up connections. And I think she said she would sit out this fall due to the silence over sexism.

  125. prabhata, it depends what state. I know in my state, IN, it doesn’t count unless the candidate declares herself. And in other states the vote actually goes towards the declared candidate of the party if there is one…so in some states votes for HRC go to BO…

  126. I’m just saying that McCaskill could take the support of women who support Emily’s list and then she backed Obama. And NARAL did another Judas.

  127. I didn’t think it could be done. I’ll have to change my name to H.Clinton and get myself on the ballot

  128. I can not understand this… you claim to love and respect Hillary Clinton but some of you are saying that you will not vote dem. or for obama, Sen. Clinton is going to be working so very hard to bring this party together and if you vote for McCain, you are stabbing H Clinton in the back! you will dismiss and ignore all the work she has put in. When she backs Obama I will be backing and pulling for him too because its the right thing to do. Voting for Mccain is SO WRONG! Hillary doesnt want Mccain to win, DUH! Sen Clinton has said so many times that we can not afford to have another 4 years of bush-mccain. those thinking about voting for mccain can not be serious or true hillary supporters. Hillary Clinton, your hard work is appreciated by me and i will do what is right by u. GO DEMS!!!! GO HILLARY AND OBAMA!!! we must unite and change the way things are going. Hillary I respect you and will NOT be voting againt what u believe in!!!!!!!!!!!

  129. JJ–not one really prominent dem took a firm stand for MI and FL, either. It’s not really encouraging that nobody is principled enough to stand up and say this is wrong. wh the hell would hire carter to monitor elections when he doesn’t give a damn about democracy? these kool-ade drinkers had so much to say about lewinsky, but Obama could do anything and they’d clap along and follow him over the cliff. Talk about the second coming of Bush and his glassy eyed yes men kool-ade drinkers.

  130. Voting is important to me. I’ve never missed an election and this November, Ill vote, but I will either skipping POTUS or vote McCain. He’s served his country with distinction. Eisenhower was a great president. Got the US out of Korea after Truman got us in that morass.

  131. icantbelievethis, believe it.

    HRC is my candidate because she had my trust and my respect that she could do this job and that she was the best person in the race to do this job. But my vote is my own and no one can tell me how I should expend it.

    I will not ride the unity pony because 1) I do not believe Obama is qualified for the job, nor do I trust that he would be any better than McCain, and I seriously wonder if he would be worse, 2) Since Obama is not a qualified candidate, I will not stand in lockstep with the party that spit all over women this cycle. Where was Howard Dean when the media engaged in the most vile and sexist attacks against Hillary? Where was he? He told Fox they were race baiting for talking about Rev. Wright (a charge I happen to disagree with, it is about judgment)…but did he once take the networks on for their nasty women bashing commentary? No. And in that case, this party no longer stands for me. Womens right are human rights and the Democrats will never have my vote until they start standing up for women.

  132. ican’tbelieve this, give it a rest. Clinton is a politician, she’s not our leader. i’m not going to validate disenfrachisment and misogyny with my vote. If that akes her sad…she’ll survive, I have other problems.

  133. JJ –

    Prabahata mentions NARAL – another group that should have had our backs, but backed BO instead of the woman who worked for women’s rights… hope their funding dried up.

    Is HLF coming here. or do I have to go look for her on TM? I know the Womencount PAC had some high profile folks, but once their site and address got passed around on blogs, a lot of regular folks that had maxed out on Hill’s campaign, ponied up a grand each.

    Anyway – like I said – it wouldn’t need a lot of paid airtime – just enough to cause enough of a stir to make the MSM have to give it free publicity. HA!
    Too bad we can’t reach a high profile Hill supporter like Elton John or America from Ugly Betty – they could write a check : )

  134. PUMA. It’s not about Hillary any more. It’s about the DNC. It’s about not encouraging them. If enough Republicans had done the right thing, like Lincoln Chafee, he’d be a senator. Instead he left the Republican Party after he was defeated. That is wrong. He should have left like Jeffords.

  135. My husband is a motion picture editor and we have a post facility. I’m so distraught over this, I’m sure he’d volunteer to cut anything you wanted cut if there was a real use planned for it. The clips would need to be paid for, but we could cut and edit the piece and have it ready for broadcast.

    This is a piece that he cut just for himself from footage he stole from CNN about New Orleans and Katrina. It’s heartbreaking still. And the second-to-last shot proved to be far more prescient than he could ever have imagined at the time.

    http://www.bradmays.com/louisiana_tribute.mov

    Anyway, just an offer.

  136. I gave what little money I had to Hillary. Right now I can’t spend any money that is not for my living shit.

  137. Remember last election when the Dem’s took control of the house and the senate? The MSM was freaking out – no one realized THE VOTERS were so pissed with the current administration and his minions that they pushed nearly every Repub running out of office.

    The Dems don’t seem to realize – we could do that again. We put ’em in office, and we can take ’em out again.

    I want a list of every elected SD that switched from Hill to BO, every elected SD that tried to push Hillary out, and who was the SD that said Hillary should have stayed in the tub like Glen Close?

  138. JJ, on June 6th, 2008 at 2:36 am Said:

    the Women Count Pac has a bunch of women from silicon valley SF and corporations, like the founder of Esprit, plus the founder of Rock the Vote who is a Hillary surrogate Jehmu Greene. they might lend some tacit support – maybe even financial support, can a pac give to a pac like a grant from a foundation?

    I think it depends on what pumapac’s activity will be. if they’re doing something to demonstrate support for McCain, probably not. if it’s to call out sexism in the media, yes.

  139. Corporate people get in line. It’s my view that someone or a group of very powerful people put Obama to defeat Hillary. Only someone like him could do it. He had the ability to get the AA vote. The race baiting was very important to accomplish that. Every time a state with a high percentage of AAs, Clybourne was singing his song. It’s disgusting, but very clear.

  140. PUMAPAC is riverdaughter’s, I believe, and she’s not supporting McCain.

  141. Lori – that’s cool that you have access to a post facility. Is everyone still on here late night from LA area?

    I think the issue is defining what the goal is in airing the spots are – if it’s for national election season – probably peoplewill say, old news. But if it’s local stations where ad buys are cheaper –

    I would hope they use these pieces to unseat that Obama surrogate who compared Hillary to Glen Close’s character in Fatal Attraction as LAMusing says and other sexist SDs.

  142. Lori, I started to watch that video, I couldn’t watch too much of it. It’s a sad moment in our history.

  143. Epicurious, I don’t envision something pro-McCain, but I would ideally like to point out how the DNC remained silent. At the end it would be great if we could give the phone number to the DNC and say tell Howard Dean to stand up against sexism in the media now or something. And/or we could put up phone numbers for the three cable networks and tell them to stop sexism now. If it was the latter, we should be able to get sign on from the women’s groups, but I bet they wont be willing to o it until after November because it could bring up bad feelings for Clinton supporters and we are all supposed to be aboard unity express…

  144. Lori – Great offer! : )
    I left the suggestion for the video on the PUMAPAC site – it’s a troll free zone, so it’s awaiting moderation. We;ll see if we can get ahold of Indyrobin and GeekLove who did the Youtube vid, and HLF may know some folks higher up that would want to go for it.
    I’ll follow up as much as I can in the morning.

    Prabhata – Hey – I’m broke as can be, too! So I’m trying to do my bit by supporting with letters, calls, or ideas. Your blogging helps! I so appreciate everyone on this site that gives a haven of support. (When I ran out of money to give Hill, I doubled up my requests to friends and family and posted my link on blogs, etc, and raised another $300 in just a few days!)

  145. Actually, I think Murphy started the official PAC, and I don;t think the PAC has an official pro or anti-McCain position, but I think it is about standing up to the DNC and demanding that our voices be heard.

  146. JJ – agreed. When the media reform acts are going through congress, we need to use examples of these sexist remarks as a media that’s out of control and in need of accountability.

    I definitely think they could be used to unseat some of these misogynistic Dem reps from Congress and Senate who endorsed BO, but would we endorse a pro-women, media reform minded Dem in turn? Honestly, given that the Republicans are trying to attract women, you’d think that they’d fund something like this. It’s linking up with the Devil, but Republican funds would probably underwrite some of these efforts. Strange bedfellows.

    One of the things with the Women Count Pac is that part of that fundraising is to pay staff, so you have someone producing these projects, researching the ad buys, etc. etc. PAC’s need some infrastructure too.

  147. JJ & Epicurious – Yeah, the beauty is, it’s not pro-McCain – it’s about the MSM and the DNC (although I’d LOVE it to add Obama was silent too… when he wasn’t busy calling someone sweetie) So hopefully that would attract more groups supporting it. Again, there are A LOT of really furious women (and men)

    Must go to bed now – early morning for me. I’ll follow up tomorrow, but Epicurious or JJ – if you see HLF around, could you ask her for feedback?

  148. JJ, Epicurious and Lori – Have you signed up at the PUMAPAC.org site yet?

  149. My ex and I are very good friends. We talked everyday about the horrors Hillary was going through. So yeah, there are millions of men who wanted Hillary to be POTUS.

  150. I just sent the pumapac.org link to my ex. I think he’s the type to sign up. He was really despondent and angry at the DNC

  151. I can’t even remember where I’m finding these links – hope this isn’t someone’s repost on here, but have you guys seen the new Democrats vs. Obama ad from the RNC??!!

    The main star of it is Clinton.

    I swear, Clinton will be the star of so much – PAC ads against misogyny in the MSM, PAC ads against the DNC, Democrats Against Obama, RNC’s carrot to attract Dem women and men….

  152. Fabulous prabhata! Pass it on where ever you can

    PUMA!!

    Ok- must sleep now… night all.

  153. pumapac:

    I will sign up soon. I’d like to know how it plans to execute its goals though first.

    g’night all. I have stopped working, I am addicted to pro-Hillary blogs, ARGH – loving Clinton has definitely been a journey.

  154. Good night to all. It’s late here in SF too.

  155. I don’t mind taking republican money. Obama did, he took republican money and republican votes. I am not above any of it =)

  156. True epicurious, but I will love Hillary for a lifetime. She turned me from being a news junkie into a true activist – she helped me find my voice. Sounds silly, but she really did. I started out feeling somewhat ashamed of my support (gee, you wonder why, despite being a 20 something minority, you would think I MUST BE a bitter, angry, old, white woman or a racist, no other options). But I have become increasingly outspoken and increasingly defiant and I am glad. I feel more comfortable in this skin.

  157. Sweetdreams. See you in the AM.

  158. Yes, I am signed up. I wish I would have gone in and looked around earlier – I feel better now. I always need an action plan and the RBC left me to stunned to move. I’m glad to see others kept it together.

    I do think we need the million woman march on Denver with or without parade permits. Even if it doesnt’ manifest itself as a parade precisely. We Clinton supporters need to show and shake the earth’s crust!

    Settle down, indeed! Why don’t you just tell me to lay back and enjoy it?

  159. Davidson, I hear you! I am overwhelmed by all the comments too, but we are one big family now.
    MABlue, I hope the Celtics win it all.
    RD: Thanks for “Fields of Gold” tonight. I love Eva Cassidy. If Beauty has a voice, it is hers. She left us so early. Oh, how I would have loved to see her perform in person. And I love England. I lived in London for the first three months in 1979 and enjoyed every minute.

  160. I may well have been one of the first bloggers on the Internet to go for Hillary. I know the first months of 2007 when I fought for her at Daily Kos were very lonely; I was so alone, it felt like a fool’s errand. I have made my telephone calls. I have given my money. I have taken more than my fair share of licks, so I have earned, I think, the right to say this.

    I am going with my party, and I am working for Obama’s election to the presidency.

    Look, I am very pragmatic.

    How the hell can Hillary can get the nomination at this point? There is absolutely no way at this point to tear down Obama without dooming the party to defeat in the fall. The deal is done. We can be angry (justifiably) about how Obama has secured the nomination, or we can accept it and move on. I am not quite sure what all my fellow Clintonistas intend to accomplish. If Obama loses this year, and Hillary runs again in 2012, whose Democratic credentials will be the best? The ones who resisted Obama in 2008, or the ones who went with the party? If Obama wins this year, and Hillary runs again in 2016, the intransigent Clintonistas will be left behind. I tell you, I will be of more use to Hillary in 2012 (or 2016) than anyone of my fellow Clintonistas who does not sign up for Obama in 2008.

    We lost. We lost. We lost. We need to lick our wounds. We need to get over it. We now have to take the long view, or we will be of little use to Hillary in future years.

  161. DCDemocrat, on June 6th, 2008 at 6:39 am Said:

    It is fine for you to work for Obama and his election but we won’t. The DNC and Obama are so corrupted. If you vote for them you are saying corruption is right and disenfranching votes is right. Obama was not elected, he was selected. When you support Obama you are killing Democracy. Go ahead and kill Democracy. Support Obama and continue to support corruption at the DNC. Support for Obama means George Soros will control the DNC.

  162. @DCDemocrat: Define what a Democrat is, in terms of principles (beliefs supported by actions), and then tell me how Obama is a Democrat. I’m loyal to an ideology, not a parasitic group of politicians.

    And if you’re truly a pragmatist who takes the long view, you would never be so foolish as to pick Obama of all people to be president while we’re in the midst of crises on all fronts. He’d make Carter look like FDR.

  163. DCDemocrat: This is not about Hilary at this point. Hillary will do what she must because she is a loyal party member. But WE have a problem with the party itself. We are not getting aboard the Obama express because the party doesn’t represent us anymore. Personally, I don’t care if the party leaves me behind. It’s not the party I joined back in 1980 if it is willing to get rid of working people and the elderly and women just because the rich libertarians have more money.

  164. DCDemocrat,

    The issue for me has moved beyond Clinton. I do not want Obama leading the Democratic party. I don’t want his Chicago politics anywhere near the White House. He won by voter suppression: taking his name off the ballot in MI and then thwarting re-votes in both FL and MI, voter intimidation in the caucuses, and vote stealing through the RBC meeting.

    His view of the future of the Democratic party is to create authoritarian rule. He doesn’t want Democrats donating to any organizations but his campaign. He wants to be able to turn the money spigot on and off.

    He has no principles. It is impossible to know what he would do as President. His list of advisors ranges from the radical left, to the corporate right wing.

    For the good of the party in the long run, we must reject Obama’s vision for us. We need to take back the party, and that means Obama and his campaign need to be completely repudiated. If we don’t stand up for principle now. We will not have a party that represents the Democratic ideals. If no party is committed to counting the vote, Democrat or Republican, how do ensure we have a Democracy?

    I supported Hillary from the beginning, but I did not condemn Obama until I found out about him, his past, his associations, and his practices during this campaign. In all three areas, he fails to act as a Democrat. His tactics,instead, are those of the Chicago machine and corrupt politics the mendacity of which rivals the Republicans.

    For the good of the country and the party, he and his supporters must be defeated.

  165. DC, it’s a long time until November. Back off.

  166. Mawm, on June 6th, 2008 at 7:29 am Said:
    For the good of the country and the party, he and his supporters must be defeated.

    It is not just the party. It is for the good of America.

  167. Yes. This is about our country at this point. Hillary will take care of herself. She has released us to now fight on our own. Im visiting DC area this weekend and when I signed off last night I thought there were signs of traction for us out there. How about this: the people of this area were told to be mindful of all the traffic for the Obama rally at the Nissan Center at 6pm. They were expecting 50K. Well, I guess only 10K showed up. The bloom is off the rose, kids.

  168. Good morning.

    Well, it seems like most of our new additions to the tank seem to be adapting to our new environment quite well.

    I am so glad. However, lets make sure we do not get any serious ammonia burns.

  169. DCDemocrat:

    Now I know how Obama got as far as he did.

    His people DO NOT listen. Vote for him if you want. We choose not to for various reasons. Revenge isn’t one of them for me.

    You realize Clinton would be about 68 or 69 in 2016. I can just hear all the old bag jokes this would bring. Women don’t seem to get the same leeway as men as they age in politics. Women become old and ugly and men become distinguished. Thus, I believe her window is very narrow to run for POTUS.

  170. Hi Bonita, I am a man and both old and ugly. Distinguished?…nahhh…overated.

  171. Thanks for the Nightcap, Riverdaughter. I feel like a refugee stumbling into a Field of Gold. Think I’ll stay for a while.

  172. I’m sure you are quite distinguished and apparenly very astute!

  173. You know, not to be sycophantic, but I love this site. I just went to my local county Young Dems meeting last night, and of course, a large amount of it was about *him*. Which is fine, I suppose, but I know I can’t be a part of it. My new song to listen to is from the musical episode of “Buffy,” called “Going Through the Motions.” That’s how I feel about being a Democrat right now. I couldn’t even wear a “Proud to Be a Democrat” sticker at the meeting…b/c it would be a lie.

    I know many are switching to unaffiliated voters, but I can’t do that. I’m a Dem through and through (though I completely understand everyone who is switching). I love politics and public life so much…but after all this, I just almost don’t want to be involved anymore.

    I’ll definitely be watching tomorrow to see what Hillary has to say. I mean…considering she called herself the stronger president and stronger candidate on Tues., it’s not like she can be TOO praiseworthy of *him*!!!

    I ventured over to BlueNC, my state’s political blog, and when I saw all the anti-Hillary posts from the Obama-ramas…I thought, ‘Seriously, people? You “won,” why the heck are you twisting the knife????’ I won’t be going back there for a long time…

    I know this may be pie-in-the-sky, but I really do think of him as being only a “presumptive” nominee…I still think there’s a possibility, albiet a small one, that the supers could change their mind, come Denver. So we should be sending her money to cancel her debt/prepare her GE campaign 🙂

    Oh well…thanks for everyone keeping the faith. We need to keep our voices heard…

  174. I am so much more radical than most of you. I want the DNC to hear us when we refuse to vote down-ticket for Dims while we vote for McCain or don’t vote or, where possible, write in our vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton. I want Reid and Pelosi to do lunch with their Republican majority. The DNC’s political plague is spreading and I’m for burning its house to the ground to stop it. It can then be rebuilt in the true democratic style the Clintons represent.

    And Steinhem going along to get along is loathsome. Maybe she’s looking for a job at Times or the Post or at any of the multitude venues for corporate propaganda.

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