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The Obama-Free Zone (Open Thread)

We’ve been pounded all day with the WWTSBQ Drumbeat. But let’s put that behind us. Lift up your head and smile. According to the ARG Poll, Hillary led in South Dakota yesterday by 30% — and even MSNBC is said to think it’s a close race.

Are you reading anything fun? Interesting? What’s your favorite television show? What do you think is the most underrated movie? What’s your favorite 2-1/2 star film? Where do you live? Where did you grow up?

What’s your favorite question? What’s your favorite answer?

(cough) THIS is an Open Thread — as long as (glancing up at the title and raising eyebrows) you know….

205 Responses

  1. I just arrived home from work. I have the best job in the world and one that is portrayed often on television. I love Desperate Housewives: Kudos to Eva Longoria. Razzy to Teri Hatcher. Today I’ve cried, laughed, been defiant, talked with my mother about how Hillary has to stay in the race. I spoke to my best friend (a total character) who said she should not drop out because we know here as someone who doesn’t quit.

    As I said earlier, fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy night.

  2. I’ve made calls to friends, I’ve contacted super delegates, I’ve contributed the legal limit to the campaign and now I’m turning off the TV and ignoring the pundits. What will be will be. But what wil not be, is me voting for Obama. I’d slit my wrists first.

    As for books I’m reading; I recommend two: One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez (I’m re-reading it for about the hundreth time) and My Name is Red by the Turkish Nobel Prize winner for literature, Orhan Pamuk. It is incredible and quite soothing in these dificult times.

  3. I’m reading From dead to worse by Charlaine Harris. It’s part of a light-hearted vampire mystery series. And it’s gotten much better as the series has gone on. This one (I think) actually stands on it’s own as a novel.

  4. Jeralyn was liveblogging Terry McAuliff’s appearance on CNN

    4:45 pm: Terry McCauliffe tells Wolf Blitzer Hillary absolutely will not drop out tonight.

    Let’s wait for the latest rumor about Hillary abandoning the campaign.

  5. Oh, And {{{Group Hugs}}} as needed!

  6. Best book I’ve ever read is A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley. It sets King Lear on a family farm in Iowa.

  7. Here is a comment from Taylor Marsh that I think is very important:

    Reposted because this is URGENT!

    If you’ve already done this, then

    I called the Hillary Campaign earlier to leave a message to urge her to take it to the convention.

    The voicemail was full, so I spoke with a live gentleman who said the best thing for us to do would be to send email to:

    comments at hillaryclinton.com

    When told it was to urge Hillary to fight it to Denver, he said to put “ATTENTION: HAROLD ICKES” in the subject, and again as the first line of the email itself, followed by something as simple as “Take it to Denver!”.

    He said it is vital that they hear from us, because they really need to know what we think.

    I told him I would pass it on to my favorite blog as well, and he said “Thanks, boss!”


    DWPforHILL | 06.03.2008 – 4:47 pm | #
    monkeybusiness | 06.03.2008 – 5:04 pm | #

    Send your email to: comments@hillaryclinton.com

  8. Ben Carlson, Moo by Jane Smiley is also excellent and well worth reading. It’s about the politics of academic life in a midwestern college town.

  9. This afternoon I am doing two things. I am going to go buy a lawn tractor for my dear partner, who is sick and tired of mowing our 1/2 acre or so lawnwith a hand mower. I can’t blame him.

    And I am fiinishing the second revision of chapter 3 of my PhD! Yep, just like gqmartinez! I will be graduating in August, assuming I get all the revisions done, etc. I paid my last tuition bill a few days ago and said to my partner, ‘Watch, something’ll go wrong with this, it always does. Financial likes to screw with the heads of the students, I think’. And sure enough, I got a bill today. I owe them 10 cents! Good grief.

    Was a bit depressed to see the ‘news’ this morning, but came online to my favorite blogs and realized, yep, it was another attempt at a mind f$%k by the press. Screw them. As KB says, ‘I spit on them!’

    Ohh well, off to buy that lawn mower and maybe play with my milk goats a bit. They are stuck inside because it is raining (goats are made of sugar and don’t like to get wet) so they are bored!

  10. WigWag, have your read “De Amor y Sombra” (Of Love and Shadows in English?) from Isabel Allende?

    It has helped me through this drama and shows how political dissent can move mountains.

    Hillary may the almight forces of PUMA always be with you. We are hoping and prayin g that Montana and South Dakota gives you great victory for you alone are the only candidate elected “by the people,” you are the only one that works “for the people” and truly represents “we the people.”

    Puma powers activated, motivated and rooting for the 44th President of the United States, President Hillary Clinton!

  11. Congrats, Sima! Wishing you all the best this summer. Hang tough. 🙂

  12. Just as a P.S. to my above post, here is the phone number to Clinton headquarters:

    Headquarters: 703.469.2008

  13. MABlue’s press release:

    Jon Ausman, half a human being, according to the DNC, has decided to throw his support behind Hillary Clinton

    Weren’t we morally better off as a nation, when certain members of the population counted for 3/5 of a human being?

    Who said things weren’t better in the past?

  14. SM, My mother is reading De Amor y Sombra and says it is eye opening. I need to read it as well because it sounds very good indeed.

    Edwardian, thank you! It’s taken me almost 15 years to get this degree. I suspended due to marriage and divorce and being suddenly dirt poor without a job. Then I thought I’d have to quit but my advisor said to fight on, and so I did! I’m very happy that I will graduate soon 🙂

    Ohh I emailed the campaign as CogDis suggested. We’ve got to keep fighting to Denver!

  15. I’m cooking the easiest lentil soup in the world for a late lunch. The best books I’ve read recently have been The Sparrow and Children of God – both by Maria Doria Russel. SF with an anthropological and linguist bent – really really fascinating stuff, and definitely impacts my worldview almost a year later.

    The sun is shining outside, so after lunch, a walk.

  16. Sima, congratulations on your thesis. I can only imagine how exciting (and hard) it must be to do what you’re doing. I envy you.

    SM, I haven’t read “De Amor y Sombra.” The only book by Allende that I have read is “The House of Spirits. ” If you like Allende you might like Italo Calvino who was born in Cuba but lived most of his life in Italy. All his books are great but his master piece is “Invisible Cities.” It is one of those books that actually changes you when you read it.

  17. Please, please please, open or find a diary where this can be posted.

    Twisted Sister: We’re not gonna take it –anymore!

  18. SM, Sima, WigWag —

    These discussions are not happening. You are all low-info voters. Remember your place.

  19. Sorry hir, I forgot!

  20. Teresa, thanks so much. I think we have a new anthem!

  21. Cognitive Dissonance–Already done. Thanks for posting the reminder. Hillary needs to hear from millions of us on this.

  22. Sima: It’s an incredible book and congrats on your PH.D-ness! Wow, maybe someday when Hillary is president I can afford to go back to school, as it’s my faraway dream.

    WigWag, when you get the chance, please read it. I’m one of those people that can’t read Allende, Garcia Marquez, Vargas Llosa or other modern Latin-American greats in English. It’s not that the translation is bad, but it’s that their poetry within thier prose is a mind-altering experience. But I’ll do it if I can’t find the book in Spanish. I’ve heard of Italo Calvino but never read anything of his, I’ll put him on my summer reading list!

  23. Sima,
    Congrats! This week I have to have my “exit interview”. In other words, I have to hand in my dissertation for binding and make sure I don’t have any outstanding bills or overdue library books. It’s really a pain.

  24. Or the USC Fight Song: “FIGHT ON”


  25. katiebird — I just heard some not so good news. Not major, but not good. Tell me if you want to hear it from me, or if you’d rather wait for the press.

  26. HLR, that’s right! I’m supposed to have 3 teeth, a 5th grade education and an aversion to bathing.

  27. sent my email — and I’m checking in! my youngun’ and I are sitting here in Virginia enjoying a summer storm and he’s checking out his new butterfly tent. We were fortunate to farm some eggs from a Luna moth and are now expecting!

    I am ignoring all the news… my middle son just came out to inform me Hill was going to concede and I laughed at him…too naive to recognize the voter suppression they are attempting! I hope she serves BO a fresh steaming plate of his own ass this very night.

  28. gqmartinez: make sure I don’t have any outstanding bills or overdue library books.

    Well, this is the important part to them. Last chance to blackmail you …

  29. HLR –dish it…NOW.

  30. HLR, is it that Hillary spoke to NY legislators about a VP slot?

  31. SM — no.

  32. just tell it like it is.

  33. 3 SDs abandoned Hillary, including Maxine Waters.

  34. hlr: You know that Democrats are spineless. That’s why we’re PUMAs now.

  35. CognitiveDissonance – email sent!

  36. I loved One Hundred Years of Solitude. Speaking of Latin American Lit, has anyone else read Jorge Amado? Dona Flor and Her Two Husbands was amazing.

    I just started reading The Shadow of the Wind, by Carlos Ruiz Zafon.

    Katiebird, I’ve always wanted to try those Charlaine Harris novels.

    Sima, I’m writing my doctoral dissertation this summer too (and I’m really old). I’m not getting much done today though….

  37. katie..thanks for the group hug. I need it and I know I’m not alone. I’m already crying…for me, my mother and all of you.

  38. No leverage left? Jesus, how about over half the voters???

  39. Charles: Then there’s no reason for her to avoid running as an independent, now is there?

  40. It is inexplicable — he will not win. The Dems WANT to lose this time.

  41. That’s it? Three super delegates? We have fought worse than that.

  42. So SM, you actually read these books in Spanish? Wow, I really envy you. I wish I could do that. It has always been my dream to read Neruda in Spanish, but I’m afraid it’s too late for that. He’s great in English too, but I always wondered how much of the “music” of the poetry is lost in translation.

    In the last few weeks, as I have gotten more and more depressed about politics, I find myself turning to Whitman and Leaves of Grass. When we’re feeling frisky, my spouse and I like the Calamus poems. When we’re just depressed about politics, I like the civil war poems. Whitman is so optimistic and so larger than life that he can’t help but cheer you up.

  43. Maxine! We can’t live on hope! Isn’t she the one who said that? What pressure they must have put on her.

  44. Maxine Waters left???

    Did they promise her a pony?

    I want Hillary to run as an Independent. She owes the party NOTHING. No loyalty, no favors. They stomped on Democracy.

    Rise, Hillary, RISE!!!!

  45. If Hillary has no leverage left in the Democratic party, I guess the 17 million people who voted for her don’t have any leverage either. Good thing we have the PUMA party. Hillary should run as an independent. The way they have treated her is beyond disgusting!

  46. Teresa- thank you so much for that post. If you actually listen to the words it fits my mood exactly. My favorite had been ‘Not ready to make nice”, but now if am not so sure.

  47. This song will make you cry. But this is now no longer about a Party. This is about our Country. Hillary has to know that.

  48. KBird/RD & all

    I can’t get No Q up…?
    I’m eating candy full of chocolate and hazlenuts “Villars”
    that part is yummy, a bit…
    PUMAPeople UNITED!

  49. ben carlson — All right, I’ll spell it out. He will have the numbers tonight.

    He’s going to have his day in the sun at the convention w/ the MLK Jr anniversary and all that. That the Democratic establishment would spit on the last efforts by Hillary volunteers in states that haven’t finished up yet just grows my contempt for the party exponentially.

  50. Oh, and one of the switchers was an aide in the Clinton WH.

  51. WigWag, yes I read them in Spanish. It’s really different but not to say that the English translations are bad in itself. It’s like spaghetti sauce, there’s Prego sauce and then there’s your mom’s special recipe.

    I’m down too, but as a PUMA, I’ve liberated myself for the so-called “Democratic*” party and it feels great. I won’t be pushed to vote for a candidate just because he/she has a “D” next to it.

    Feel good that we are on the “good guy” side of the fight.

  52. also — I am going to be completely devastated if she ends up with the VP spot…the only way I’ll be able to stomach it is if its only temporary until he implodes before the convention.

  53. I read the Sparrow. Great book but a little depressing.

  54. Make that four switchers.

  55. she’ll do all the work like Cheney …and that lazy ass will sit back and take all the credit.

  56. hlr: The fact that the DNC timed the nomination speech so it would be the exact day of the MLK Jr. Anniversary to me is proof without a SHADOW of a doubt that the DNC was PLANNING Obama’s coronation all along.

    They’ve turned a great man’s day into a cynical travesty. I expect that the streets will be full of protesters (I’ll be there) and the day will just be ugly.

    Man, I really, really hate the Democrats.

  57. Here’s a bit of good news. Looks like the VP story was another spin … thank goodness!!! Here is the press release from the campaign.


    Hillary should not accept the VP spot for any reason. She should not legitimize the things that offended so many – race baiting, sexism and delegate theft – by working under him.

  58. the supers are pissing on the voters….. I hope there is payback.

  59. Shoot, I broke the open thread rule and said the O word. Apologies, please delete my previous post.

  60. I think this whole tape thing is a hoax and a conspiracy to drive up sympathy for Obama and his wife. It’s so obvious now. THERE IS NO TAPE. IT’S ALL A LIE TO GAIN SYMPATHY. IT’S LIKE THE WRIGHT SPEECH AT THE PRESS CLUB WAS A SET UP.

    As a child, I said the pledge of allegiance every day in school and I put my hand on my heart during our National Anthem. I will not EVER support a candidate who doesn’t have the common decency and partriotism to do the same thing.

  61. What a disgrace that Waters left. Truly.

  62. I hate to think what the BO people did to Maxine Waters. They must have threatened to take her down like they did to John Lewis. Thugs are running the Democratic party now. I want no part of it.

  63. Teresa I broke the open thread rule and said the O word.

    There are some good O words 🙂 You just didn’t mention the right ones!

  64. I’m sure the wright thing was a set-up…

    We’re sposed to believe that after 20 years of togetherness…he has nothing to reply to BO after being so ruthlessly tossed aside..
    April 29th was the last we heard of Rev. Wright…. he seems a bit incapable of keeping his mouth shut. WHAT A SHAM

  65. I’m starting cocktail hour early. Glass of pinot grigio while dinner cooks on the grill. This has been the weirdest day.

    Last book I read was Gene Wilder’s “The Woman Who Wouldn’t.” Cute, light read. Before that, Irene Nemirovsky “Suite Francaise.” Very powerful story of Nazi invasion/occupation of France. Otherwise, my free time has been consumed by reading The Confluence. Will copy down some of these suggested titles for the summer.


  67. Be ready. Tonight is gonna be something else.

    I can’t read unfortunately. My blood pressure’s up and it’s not making it easy to concentrate. Too antsy.

    I’m ready for whatever.

    By the way, the best read bunch of folks I’ve ever seen. And they say we’re low-info.

  68. Well done, DNC. Come November I will say to myself (a la Quebec), Je me souviens (I remember)…..

  69. I told you and told you and told you. Tonight is our night! Glad Tidings from New York! Let’s dance –

    And they’ll lay you down low in the easy
    And the lips that you kiss will say Christmas.
    And the miles that you traveled the distance
    So believe no lies, dry your eyes and realize
    That surprise
    La, la, la, la la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la…
    And the businessmen will shake hands and talk in numbers
    And the princess will wake up from her slumber
    Then all the knights will step forth with their arm bands
    And ev’ry stranger you meet in the street will make demands
    So believe no lies, then dry your eyes and realize
    That surprise
    La, la, la…

    And we’ll send you glad tidings from New York
    Open up your eyes sa you may see
    Ask you not to read between the lines
    Hope that you will come in right on time
    And they’ll talk to you while you’re in trances
    And you’ll visualize not taking any chances
    But meet them halfway with love, peace and persuasion
    And expect them to rise for the occasion
    Don’t it gratify when you see it materialize
    Right in front of your eyes
    That surprise

    And they’ll lay you down low and easy

  70. I think I’ve already said this but I won’t vote for her as VP. I can’t. I wish I felt less sorry about it.

    Over these months I’ve come to admire, respect, and love this woman as much as one can their elected officials. I can’t see her doing someone else’s job without the title and glory. My mother’s done the same thing for 10 years and it hasn’t paid off for her.

    I can’t make the DNC behave but I can make damn sure they know that I know what they’ve done. They’ve taken down the first female president and history may not recall, but I will.

  71. Today — I was having a long discussion with a friend of mine who is Republican. She was really pushing me to vote McCain. I feel like a person without a country. I cannot vote for a Republican because I am a gay american and the Republican party has been villifying me and mine for my entire adult life. I cannot vote for BO because I believe in my heart he is a sexist and a dishonest thug. So — now what.

  72. I just left talkleft and probably won’t go back. There is a feeling of a wake and the Obots are swarming and trying to make nice. I just hope, I just pray, that at least here, the PUMAs ain’t gonna buy into the geedee unity crap.

    Because I swear by all that I hold dear, I am not voting for that piece of crap. I’m not voting for him if Hillary asks me too, I’m not voting for him if Bill asks me too and I’m not voting for him if she’s on the ticket as VP.

    I am sad and I am mad and I feel hollow. Tomorrow is another day and I’ll get up and go on about my business. But I know now that I will never see a woman president in my lifetime. And I am finding it very hard to accept that. Good night.

  73. indigo, follow your heart.

  74. Regency: My mother’s done the same thing for 10 years and it hasn’t paid off for her.

    Well said.

  75. UpstateNY,

    Je me souviens.

    Ah yes. I went back to get my undergrad degree at U. Mass Lowell. I had always liked Jack Kerouac and I ended up doing an oral history project on the French Canadian community in Lowell (Kerouac’s hometown). It was a fascinating experience. I became very familiar with that saying. It’s a good one for us PUMAs.

  76. I will see her as President…but we may have to wait until 2012.
    He WILL NOT WIN. and yes we can live thru 4 years of McCain.

    Nov. 5th 2008 is when I will begin campaigning for her. And I won’t stop..until she’s elected president.

  77. Tonight, a lovely dinner at the new restaurant that’s opened in the marina my daughter and son-in-law have on this small island. A new Thumbelina story to make up for a visiting grand-daughter who always wants a fresh tale before sleep. A night with warm innocence accompanied by a largish teddy bear and a smallish bunny and frequent checks to make sure the covers are still on. But in the morning, I think I will be feeling akin to Edna, my frequent read, she of “I know. But I do not approve. And I am not resigned.”

  78. Indigogrrl, just don’t vote. But first send the Democrats a message. Re registerr as unaffiliated. Take what ever effort you would have put into politics and do something else worthwhile with it. This too shall pass. We survived Ronald Reagan, we survived George H.W. Bush and we survived Dubya. We’ll survive Obama or McCain. Politics isn’t everything even though it seems like it right now.

    We’re all crying on the inside, but hey, all we can do is keep on keeping on.

  79. No indigo, Hillary will not run in 2012. I do not mean to be a party pooper….

  80. Don’t believe the lies. Haka is at an all time high at 7.8 on the Rumple-Stiltskin scale.

    Hillary is not quitting! She is about to take on home.

    Come on PUMAs – let’s start growling and prowling.

    Glad tidings from New York.

  81. I think Hillary should take a nicve long vacation out of the spotlight. A month should do it.

    Without her or her husband to feed on the media leeches will be looking for a new target. By August they will have finished their feeding frenzy.

    By the time she returns she’ll be tanned and ready to accept the nomination.

  82. myiq: heh.

  83. It looks like South Dakota is good but Montana is bad from the brief exit polls I saw. We’ve been played in this campaign. Hillary’s been outmaneuvered the whole time. If there was a tape, the super ds wouldnt be leaving Hillary. They set out to destroy her and us and they were successful. but you know what…we survived 8 years of Bush. This roller coaster ride is just too much for me.

  84. Bostonboomer, Indigogrrl and Marge – I’m feeling, and sharing, your sentiments.

    I would love for Hillary to run as Independent. But I know that won’t happen. She’s far too loyal to a party that has been disloyal to her.

    But make no mistake, should this coronation go through as planned, it’ll be left to us to raise our collecticve voices and say: ENOUGH! And no way am I abstaining/sitting this election out. No way, no how!

  85. kenoshamarge – pftui on TalkLeft. BTD is one passive agressive fellah.

    The obots are peeing on the rug and humping the furniture. But the PUMAs are on the prowl. We laugh at the obots territorial displays.

    Tonight is our night, PUMAs. Turn up the Van Morrison.

    GO PUMA!

  86. So edwardian, what do you propose?

  87. I really want to discourage the defeatist feeling that you have no place to go. Whatever you do VOTE. Staying home is not an OPTION. I’m voting for McCain and most people I know are doing the same thing. So you do what you want. I’m done being played by everyone.

  88. Ben,

    Let go of the tape. No one has destroyed Hillary. She is more popular now than she has ever been. Once people actually got to see who she is, they loved her. If BO is the nominee, he will be destroyed. The more people see of him, the less they like him. Trust me, no tape is needed. All anyone has to do is read the Chicago papers and BO’s own books. He’s a loser.

  89. Good afternoon, I just sent my email to Hillary’s campaign as was suggested above. I sure hope she hears from enough of us! I told them that while the other guy may think he has won, he just doesn’t realize how completely he has lost, because many of us will never forget the way our candidate and her supporters have been treated.

    Also, while listening to “Were not going to take it”, I had a flash back to the moment when I knew that I couldn’t support the other guy. It was when Barbara Steisand endorsed Hillary…does any one remember how the other candidate responded? With a sneer, he said, who are they going to bring out next? Captn and Teneele…

    And I thought, hmmmm. I don’t think I want this guy next to social security legislation or I will be pushing a grocery cart around (if I am fortunate enough to find one!) in 10 hears, when I should be able to retire if I can live below the poverty line.

    I realized at that point that he has nothing but distain for people my age…forget about my parents…and that is fairly frightening. Over the subsequent months, I have read so many comments from his supporters blaming us boomers for raping the country and leaving a husk for the youth…there is a lot of boiling anger in that camp, and it has been stoked constantly.

    I contrast that with Hillary’s love and genuine affection for everyone she comes into contact with, and it isn’t hard for me discern which force is corrosive to the soul, and which force calls upon our better angels.

    I can tell that everyone else here can feel it as well. I love Hillary. That’s all, and I don’t want her hurt, or badly treated, or pushed to the side and tasked with trying to make a sows ear into a silk purse. Sorry, other person running.


    P.S. Love in the time of Cholera has touched me long term…I wish I could read in Spanish. I just listened to Malienke by Laura Esquivel, narrated by a native spanish speaker, and it was beautiful.

    Congrats of the PHD! I am starting prerequite courses next week to qualify to enter nursing school in August. I am 56. Yooooo Hooooooo

  90. kenoshaMarge: FYI: There’s a yahoo group called Hillary_Clinton_In_2008 that will change over to Democrats_Against_ if Hillary concedes. Here’s a link to subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hillary_Clinton_In_2008/?yguid=1055000

    They and this blog have saved me today.

    Yeah, I have a really hard time with the way that certain blogs (not this one) do the bad-bad-Obama schtick and then say they’ll turn around and support him if he’s the nominee. For me, there’s something seriously wrong with that. If they’re going to turn around and support, then they shouldn’t so blatantly oppose.

    It may be a game for them, but it isn’t a game for me. If I deeply and with my heart and soul don’t support someone, then I don’t support them EVER. If I planned to support a certain person anyway, I’d just stay neutral. I don’t say, now I’m mean but, okay, now I’ll play nice. It’s not about the competition, it’s about knowing what is right and what is wrong.

    Anyway, there will be many places to go.

  91. I propose vote for McCain. It’s the only way we will get Hillary in the White House and prove she was right and that we were right. If the Rs are using us so be it.

  92. Ben, and that’s the part I hate the most.

    I hate it that Republicans & Independents (which I’ll be soon) have decided the nominee for the Democrats. It’s unheard of.

    We need to make a list of every Superdelegate that went for the Precious, and vote them out of office.

  93. Indigo, take some advice from He Who Shall Not Be Named…

    On Nov 4, 2008, all PUMAs can be Republicans For A Day. It’s OK.

  94. Guys, relax. She’s not going to concede, and even our superd’s aren’t dumb enough to annoint Obama after the Republicans tear him apart for 3 months straight and his already limited support falls away even further. Their 7-year-old sons will have forgotten about him by then, and since SpongeBob isn’t in the race…;)

  95. I’m going to make some snacks. There is no reason ti be negative, PUMA’s.

    Renounce the HAKA!

  96. Why do you think she won’t run in 2012?

    And why do you think the tape isn’t real? It’s a long time until August … the supers may be being strong-armed right now things are fluid in politics.

    also — we all knew MT wasn’t going to go our way — but SD will.

    things aren’t as bleak as we’re feeling right now…..there is going to be a victory speech by our gal sometime tonight

  97. Ok, dudes, I’m out of here. I’ve shed enough tears as of now. Politics is a dangerous game. I received my Puma shoes from Zappos today. I will keep them as a memory of this time. I will vote for McCain in November. I may contribute to him. I may not. I’m looking forward to just being one anonymous voter again. So for now this is an adieu. You all have been great.

  98. BTW: I ain’t crying about the Dems.

  99. Getting back to Katiebirds suggestion that we cheer ourselves up by discussing literature, movies or anything other than politics. When times are bad, when all hope seems lost and when your outnumbered ten to one, I am always comforted by the St. Crispan scene from Henry V.

    WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
    But one ten thousand of those men in England
    That do no work to-day!

    KING. What’s he that wishes so?
    My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
    If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
    To do our country loss; and if to live,
    The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
    God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
    By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
    Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
    It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
    Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
    But if it be a sin to covet honour,
    I am the most offending soul alive.
    No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
    God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour
    As one man more methinks would share from me
    For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
    Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
    That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
    We would not die in that man’s company
    That fears his fellowship to die with us.
    This day is call’d the feast of Crispian.
    He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
    Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam’d,
    And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
    He that shall live this day, and see old age,
    Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
    And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian.’
    Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
    And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispian’s day.’
    Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
    But he’ll remember, with advantages,
    What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
    Familiar in his mouth as household words-
    Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
    Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
    Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
    This story shall the good man teach his son;
    And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
    From this day to the ending of the world,
    But we in it shall be remembered-
    We few, we happy few, we band of sisters;
    For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my sister; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition;
    And gentlewomen in England now-a-bed
    Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

  100. “So edwardian, what do you propose?”

    If Hill isn’t the nominee? I’m hoping someone will emerge to create an alternative, grassroots run for prez. Someone whose core qualifications, experience, values, beliefs and plans for country relate to us, on the whole. That way many of us won’t feel as if a vote for JM is our only resort. Because, quite honestly, I’m not feeling too keen on the whole “write-in” option myself. Not if there’s ANY chance it could wind up benifiting you-know-who. And it’s clear his candidacy feeds off voter suppression and low turnouts. Again, I’ll gladly hold out for a an alternative TRULY worthy of our support. But I’ve already decided NOT to remain silent.

  101. The Haka is strong today.

  102. WTH is Haka?

  103. Hey my comment is gone. I guess the free zone is actually enforced. I’ll post my thoughts on you know who in the previous posting.

  104. Can a moderator please contact me at montague_13@msn dot com?

    I’m a long-time Hillary supporter and need some assistance. Can’t find a moderator email address here on this site!


  105. And this one’s for Hillary.

  106. It’s not over yet, guys. Riverdaughter, where are you? Talk some sense into these people.

  107. Teresa, thank you for the link to the Yahoo group. I have a feeling I’ll be spending far less time at certain formerly pro-Hillary blogs.

  108. Somedays I forget to read Bob Somerby, knowing full well it’s mandatory. Here is how he started yesterday’s post:

    SEKOFF V. COCCO: Some of the mossbacks want you to know that the gender-trashing, for them, is a matter of “choice.” One such crawler is creepy Roy Sekoff, Arianna’s unseemly boy toy.


  109. Charles, wait, if it’s a three-way race, automattically it goes to the house if 270 is not reached?

    Hillary may have a strong chance since she has 100+ lead over McCain, and since she’s much stronger than Obama, she may still have a chnace as an Independent, right?

  110. I cried and ranted today but took a long walk in the neighborhood to easeo off the steam. Went to Home Goods and bought a new runner for my dining room table. Treated myself to McDonalds and called my grandchildren in Reading. Anything to keep occupied.

    Best Book: Grapes of Wrath
    Best Singer: Rosemary Clooney
    Underrated Movie: The Detail starring Jack Nickolson
    Best TV Show: Mary Tyler Moore
    Best Song: Tenderly
    Best Actor: Carroll O’Connor
    Best Actress: Laura Linney
    Best Rocker: Janis Joplin

    Now reading: Hope’s Boy a memoir

    Am now eating cookies I am so nervous. I may soon need a Dick Gregory intervention if this keeps up.

  111. ben- I hope you change your mind and hang here for awhile and see what happens. I was all ready to take my Hillary stickers off the front and the back of my car, but I have decided it is not time. I am with you about November, I Hillary is not the nominee then a vote for McCain super-sizes our protest. It is like that joke about the prositute; if you agree to have sex for one million dollars but are insulted by one dollar, then the reality is that you are a prostitute all that is in question is the amount that it takes. I am going to proudly vote against Obama as a message to the DNC. I do not think that McCain will be better, but if I vote for McCain then the impact I have is twice as large.

  112. Jerelyn says that he who shall not be named is about to cross the 2118 threshhold. Wouldn’t it have been nice if he could have let Hillary have one night to herself? He is a rude, ungracious, a**hole. Apparently Hillary said on a conf. call that she is open to being VP if it will help the party. Fortunately for us and Hillary, Nancy Pelosi has already decreed that that will not happen. Ted Kennedy said so too. I have no doubt that he who shall not be named will remain in character and continue to insult Hillary and by extension, us her supporters. He has absolutely no class.

  113. MABlue, that Sekoff guy is all over MSNBC & Dan Abrams. He is just superfluously convince that he’s the shit.

  114. From a song I wrote long ago when young.

    Where have all the Women Been

    “and war has made a widow of me one too many times
    while politics and phallic cliques decided that the vote was mine
    and can you tell me who I am?
    you do not know me. Why?
    You have not heard my symphony
    you have not read my poetry
    you have not walked my highway
    because it’s not concrete
    And sometimes you still make me feel
    like Jesus at your feet

    Can you tell me now
    Can you answer me
    I’d really like to grow
    I did not build your buildings
    but I live in them you know
    and every brick that you’ve laid down
    and every mountain you’ve cut through
    I’ve seen your hearts grow musclebound
    and I’m the one who’s cried for you
    If not now, for Ms. Clinton
    not in my lifetime

  115. Katie Couric just said “But it seems (O) is limping across the finish line, right?” Jeff Greenfield says “no nominee of either major party since the dawn of the primaries will have lost as may big states.” He put up the slide of the two caucus states of Kansas and Idaho netting more delegates than Ohio and Pennsylvania. He says “that’s astonishing”!
    (No kidding). She’ll be showing an interview with some of Hillary’s female supporters to see where they’ll go from here.
    Should be interesting.

  116. indigogrrl, on June 3rd, 2008 at 6:42 pm Said: WTH is Haka?

    Click here

  117. indigo, why would she?

    love child: heh, to your first post.

    Happy faces at NBC.

  118. This is no time to go wobbly, PUMAs.

    Obama is going to have to step down. It ain’t over until August.

  119. Pat,

    You have great taste. I love the Grapes of Wrath. I adore Rosemary Clooney. Also Mary Tyler Moore, Laura Linney, and Janis Joplin.

  120. she will thank the voters of SD like she has thanked each and every person that has voted for her.

  121. indigogrrl, on June 3rd, 2008 at 6:42 pm Said: WTH is Haka?

    Ask and ye shall receive

  122. No wobbling.
    Patience extended.

  123. Arabella: chapeau to you 😉

  124. Haka is the ritual dance of intimidation the supporters of the Presumptuous One go through to try to scare us into quitting.

    The name comes from the Maori tribal ritual, but the original pracitioners have adult-sized genitalia.

  125. #
    indigogrrl, on June 3rd, 2008 at 6:42 pm Said:

    WTH is Haka?

    A haka is a traditional dance form of the Māori of New Zealand. It is a posture dance with shouted accompaniment, goes best with Orange kool-aid.

  126. Official no wobbling zone.

    What do I have to do to make you guys laugh?

  127. kenoshaMarge, I’m voting like you’re voting. I just will not vote for anyone but Hillary as the Democratic nominee. I should be old enough not to be so easily shocked by things, but I cannot believe what the Democratic Party has turned into. That the party elite would openly tolerate or actually participate in such awful sexism, race-baiting, ageism, disenfranchisement of voters, threats and intimidation has just astounded me.

    This is the fourth time in recent memory that the lack of an independent, honest press has harmed this country (Bush/Gore, Bush/Kerry, the rush to war in Iraq, and now Clinton/Obama). Can anything be done to remedy this? I have stopped watching anything on NBC/MSNBC or any of the other channels owned by NBC, but there’s no reliable, unbiased source of information anywhere.

    Does anyone have a solution or any ideas?

    And Sima, thanks for the comment about the goats made of sugar. I think this may explain my dogs’ behavior.

  128. hlr, look, no offense, but you’re not saying anything we don’t know. The fix is in, and he has ‘the numbers.’ The question though, is if he’ll still have them in August. As you can see, alliances are shifting already, that can cut both ways. I just don’t think HRC is going to give up until she absolutely has to, because she wouldn’t be giving in to Obama, she’d be handing McCain the keys to the WH. I see no indication that she’s going to give up on the Democratic Party. I would have thrown in the towel long ago and said okay, if you backstabbers want to lose with this moron after treating me like Satan, screw you. She hasn’t done that, and there’s a reason for it. I don’t know if she’ll prevail (our elected reps will probably think it’s fun to go merrily riding over the electoral disaster cliff), but I believe she’ll keep trying. Of course, if she doesn’t, I respect that, she’s gone through enough villification trying to save these toxic imbeciles from themselves.

    @ Carolyn in PA, ” It was when Barbara Steisand endorsed Hillary…does any one remember how the other candidate responded? With a sneer, he said, who are they going to bring out next? Captn and Teneele…” God, did he really SAY that? He is SUCH an asshole! No wonder he has such a following among the bratty little boys of the blogosphere. He’s the only candidate who can make Bush look grown-up and well adjusted in comparison.

  129. MABlue –

    LordGod! that made me laugh out loud!!!! even took the time to actually type LAUGH OUT LOUD!

  130. I really like NBC Thursday nights. 30 Rock, The office, Scrubs. It is good stuff.

    WTH is Haka?

    This is the Haka. God, it makes me LoL every time. The people shouting are, you know, that guy’s supporters.

  131. I heard this on Democracy Now, in an interview with Jeffery Scahill. Thought others might want to read/watch it. Since this is an Obama free zone, I will only post the part about Clinton. You will have to guess who he is talking about at the beginning, or go see/read it for yourself.


    “…would not support that legislation, which seeks to ban the use of these companies in US war zones, Hillary Clinton, five days before the Texas and Ohio primaries, the day my piece comes out, she responds by putting a statement on her website saying that she’s going to endorse Bernie Sanders’ legislation, and she becomes the single most important US political figure to come out for a ban. Now, I’m glad that Hillary Clinton did that, and I look forward to her making this one of her top legislative priorities after the primary season is over.”

  132. Full gloat mode across the river. Oy

  133. MessyMarcy, there are no good answers. You know waht Benjamin Franklin said about a free press. “The press is free for those who own one.”

  134. Hillary’s about to speak. Won’t quit according to Candy Crowley.

  135. Ok, so maybe SD race will be a surprise plus and maybe MT won’t be a surprise plus…

    I have seen this over and over where we all get sad and beat up at the MSM and lose *hope*.

    You OWN your vote and the dems are not entitled to it. period.

    We’ve been insulted, beat up, threatened and told all hell will be our faults if we don’t do what they want. Hillary will be fine – she is a big girl – we just HAVE to be sure the DNC is NOT FINE if they pull this off! 😉


  136. I am getting so stressed that I must have a pound of cookies crumbs all over my chest! I will not turn on the tv but am depending on you guys for updates accompanied by snarks.
    Beginning to not see my waist.

  137. Can you save some cookies for me, Pat?

  138. Honora —I Hillary is not the nominee then a vote for McCain super-sizes our protest

    Honora, I know so many hard-core Dems in MD that are voting McCain that it’s not even funny. The opponent is going to have to do some more voter registration in PG and Balt City!

    BTW, we’re thinking of having a party Nov 4th, so you’re invited!

  139. Hillary is going to end this having received about 700,000 more votes in the last months of the contest. The midcourse correction by the voters doesn’t mean much to many of the super-ds. I’m glad I voted against my congresswoman in the Dem primary today (she endorsed Obama and remained silent).

  140. Glad we’re all here.

    Let’s stand our ground.

    and we won’t – back – down!

  141. Upstate: You had better get them now since I cannot guarantee they will be here in another half hour. Sitting here like a squirrel chomping away. So mad right now I could find bin Laden if they dropped me from a plane. And he wouldn’t like it.

  142. “About to speak”? Like within the hour? I don’t want to start watching CNN till absolutely necessary.

  143. have they called SD?

  144. Nobody is ending anything, for crying out loud. Is it August yet? No?

    Good people, fret not.

  145. Lou Dobbs said “about to speak”, but I guess it’s a tease.

  146. Pat, he, have passport ready?

  147. heh=he

  148. If anyone should ask, what we are seeing now is the true Bush legacy. You can lie and cheat your way into the WH. He did it. He broke the constitution with no consequences so why should anyone else play by the rules?

    The rules are made to bent and broken as long as the ends juslietify the means. No accountability, just sheer out and out chicanery. Pack that up with a compliant media and you have the Bush legacy. It is staring at us right in the face.

  149. BTD at TL was right, lots of nice-talk about Hillary tonight.

  150. the media is setting the chosen one up….. they want the other guy in. period. so do the dem elite apparently because the chosen one will not be the next president.

  151. Hill won each of the last four months of the protracted primary, winning 60% of the contests to Obama’s 40%(I consider Guam a draw). Look at these wins for crissake. What was the point of a protracted primary again?



  152. He’ll probably speak between 10-11pm and then of course, he’ll do it after with fireworks and Farrakhan, Wright, Father Phelgm dancing in the back.

  153. Here’s my prediction:

    Hillary won’t quit, but the media will act as if she has lost.

    Now that the primaries are over, there isn’t much for the media to cover for a couple months anyway except scandal. Hillary will be out of the news (ignored, actually) so the media will focus on O____ v. McCain, and will start vetting O_____ finally.

    Be patient and wait for August.

  154. What I’m doing tonight

    Martha Stewart’s Chocolate Brownies – recipe unabashedly stolen

    1 cup coarsely chopped walnuts (optional)
    1 cup (2 sticks unsalted butter, plus more for the pan
    8 ounces best quality unsweetened chocolate
    5 large eggs
    3 1/2 cups sugar
    2 teaspoons instant coffee or espresso
    1 tablespoon pure vanilla extract
    1 2/3 cups sifted all purpose flour
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1/2 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips

    1. Heat oven to 350 o . Spread the chopped walnuts on a baking sheet; toast until fragrant, 5 to 10 minutes. Transfer to a bowl to cool.
    2. Increase oven temperature to 400 o. Generously butter a 9-by-13 inch baking sheet. Set aside.
    3. Combine the chocolate and butter in a heat-proof bowl or the top of a double boiler. Set over a pan of simmering water until the chocolate mixture has melted. Remove from heat; set aside.
    4. In the bowl of an electric mixer with the paddle attachment, beat the eggs, sugar, and instant coffee at high speed for 10 minutes. Reduce speed to low, and add the melted chocolate mixture and the vanilla. Beat just until combined. Slowly add the flour and the salt. Beat just until incorporated. Fold in the chocolate chipa and the walnuts. Pour the batter into the prepared pan.
    5. Bake until the edges are dry but the center is still soft, about 35 minutes. Remove from the oven and transfer to a wire rack to cool. Don’t bother cutting them into 3 inch squares. Just get a fork. They can be stored up to 2 days in an airtight container, but the shelf life in my house is more like 2 hours.

  155. samantha: Sounds delicious, directions to your house, please.

  156. If you had big money guys coming after you and calling in their markers, you’d be trying to act all winning and confident.

    “No, man. I’m good for it. I swear. Just gimme a couple more hours. I swear on the head of my children. By the way, can you advance me $3,000,000 for the balloons and stuff. It’ll be cash bar tonight so we’ll save some money.”

  157. The prodigal daughter returns. I’ve been living in an Obama-free zone for a while now. It has required staying off the blogs and avoiding most media, including my beloved NYT. I have returned tonight because I need comfort.

    I’ve re-read four Jane Austen novels — Emma, Sense & Sensibility, Pride & Prejudice and Mansfield Park — and am about to start Northanger Abbey, which I’ll be reading for the first time.

    I had a brief virtual affair with the new American Idol, David Cook.

    I did a trial.

    I’ve had my first job interview in 26 years. Not sure I even want to get a new job, but in times like this I feel like I should test the strength of the inertial forces.

    I just helped my daughter get dressed for her senior prom.

    I went to Puerto Rico for the Puerto Rico primary. I also ate [i]arroz y habichuelas. [/i]

    And I just turned on MessNBC for the first time in weeks, because I don’t want to miss the speech. Since this is an Obama-free zone, I will have to post my reaction to something I just heard in a new thread.

  158. samanthasmom: I ate an entire pan of brownies on Sat during the RBT meeting. I may need a forklift to get me out of the house.

  159. myiq2xu, I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT!!!

    There has been Farrakhan/tape hijacking lately.

    Larry Johnson’s been hacked, he posted the picture of Michelle/Farrakhan’s wife, then now the site doesn’t have it anymore. Fox pulled the clip for this morning, announcing a big reveal tomorrow, but luckily, Tennessee Guerilla Woman has the Fox interview.

    Hmmmm… something strange is going on.

  160. I see another asshole just swam through the filter.

  161. Does anyone have a link???

  162. Hola litigator. Nice hearing from you.

  163. SM: And Fox, the few times I bothered to put the on today, seems to have backed away from the Beckel reporting from this morning. What’s up with that?

  164. Yeah Pat, I saw that too. It is either a freeper or a hopey.

  165. Me? I’m having the time of my life here. Michelle is about to sing “And I tell you I am not going.”

    Barack’s staff is buying nicoderm patches by the caseload.

    When the going gets tough, you don’t leave the room.

    I know how to stand up do bullies, and so does everyone else here.

  166. My goodness, Litagatormom, you’ve been busy. You know better than to look at MessNBC.

  167. litagatormom: Our book club just did Mansfield Park. We loved it.

  168. I’m recalling a post right here at the Confluence from the day after Indiana and NC. I’m just clipping a few lines here..

    HIllary can campaign like hell, or she can go into quiet mode, or she can even try to pull the Unity bandwagon out of the ditch. None of that matters.

    All that matters now is how Obama fares in the next three and a half months as “McCain versus Obama” plays out in the national media spotlight. That will be the story, and that will be the polling focus. […] In short, either McCain will crash, or it’s a giant game of “If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you follow them?”. Then, in the last week of August, superdelegates cast the votes that count.

  169. Are they saving the tape for later?

  170. Will somebody just alert me when Hillary goes on? My distaste for these news shows is still in effect.

  171. miq2xu:

    Here’s my prediction:

    Hillary won’t quit, but the media will act as if she has lost.

    Now that the primaries are over, there isn’t much for the media to cover for a couple months anyway except scandal. Hillary will be out of the news (ignored, actually) so the media will focus on O____ v. McCain, and will start vetting O_____ finally.

    Be patient and wait for August.

    YES! Well said. Now let’s all chill, m-kay?

    Obama is not going to make it until August.

  172. Samanthasmom:

    Nice recipe, but when do you add the hashish?

  173. Lots of traffict at this site today.

  174. Here in Washington state, I not only got to vote twice for Hillary, I got to have neither vote count!

    The caucus was such a joke, I decided that there was no one sane left in my neighborhood Democratic Party. It seemed to have been taken over by Nader voters. Hillary got 0 delegates and none of our votes were recorded. Then we had the Primary that dare not speak its name, which was preceded by several days of “reporting” explaining that it was meaningless and no one should vote.

    I used to plead with people who were cynical about politics. I’d say, “This is exactly what the Republicans WANT you to feel – that nothing you do makes a difference. Don’t let them take your vote away.” I thought cynicism and apathy was one of the Republicans’ most dangerous vote suppression tools.

    I never expected to see it wielded so publically by Democratic Party bigwigs.

    I remember the bitter joke from the 1968 election, following LBJ’s blowout of Bary Goldwater in 1964: “They told me if I voted for Goldwater, we’d invade Vietnam. I did and we did.”

    I know why I shouldn’t vote Republican. Damned if I can think of a reason I should vote Democratic..

  175. Arabella faux pas’ed!

    She has to buy everyone a round!

  176. LGM:

    I was starting to worry after the very long silence. Good to have you back.

  177. Argh! Just rec’d a phone call from my 80+ year old parents who have already rec’d a McCain loves Clinton appeal. My Mom thinks Hillary has conceded.

    I wonder what effect this lying media has on the folks who cannot really see through ObamaBullshit, and are not as media savvy as the rest of us. You know, like keeping them from voting.

    Obama sucks.

  178. Yes, Dems and Republicans are no different. They both lie about supporting their constituencies.

    The PUMA party, on the other hand is OUR Party.

    (We’re not gonna take it anymoooore!)

  179. You think these goons are going to curl up and die? No, they become more brazen. You not only have a testosterone fueled mob ob Blogger Boyz coming at you, you have some big, bad scary money men who want Obama to make good on their investment.

    The lounder they are, the more desperate they are.

    This is not a game for the weak and wobbly. All you have to do is outlast them by five minutes. Stand firm and stand strong.

    We will have to weather worse than this, by god we will prevail. Think of those women standing in the rain. Think of Mawm at the RBC.

    Think of yourself – your wonderful precious self.

    You are stronger and tougher than you think.


  180. miq2xu – Heck, I’ll buy you guys anything. I’ll buy each of you five of anything.

  181. Listening to Donna Brazile sing “Kumbaya” makes me sick.

  182. I really need to hear an answer to this question if I were still an uncommited super:

    What reasons can you offer that will lead to an Obama loss in November?

  183. There is one thing that the Superdelegates cannot take away: We are supporting the candidate who received the most votes.

    The superdelegates are free to give the nomination to the candidate who received the lesser amount votes but they can never take away the fact that we were in the majority.

    [*Hint hint* Talking point that will trump “the math” talking point]

  184. Donna Brazille is like a very small child.

  185. Welcome back Litigatormom! Looking foward to hearing about PR. We need a new thread. Why don’t you post something?

    Hey, where is Riverdaughter? I hope she shows up soon.

  186. Riverdaughter needs to show up stat.

  187. I have a question. When the Superdelegates vote in Denver is it an open or a closed vote?

    What I mean is will the Obama-camp be able to see if f.e. specific harassed black superdelegates vote for him or her?

  188. See y’all later. Keep you spirits up. This is far from over.

    Love you all!

  189. BB: “Hey, where is Riverdaughter? I hope she shows up soon”

    She is had it with us 😉 I do not blame her.

  190. MIDDLEMARCH is my very favorite novel ever. About a week ago I was nearly through with a contemporary novel so bad that I threw it down in disgust and immediately started reading about Dorothea and her tribe for the umpteenth time. I also adore Jorge Amado, especially GABRIELA, CLOVE AND CINNAMON, though of course DONA FLOR AND HER TWO HUSBANDS is sublime.

    Speaking of sublime–if the sublime Rico is around–a vodka and tonic with a twist, please.

  191. Litigatormom–You’ve been missed. Pride and Prejudice is my favorite. Can’t even begin to count how many times I’ve re-read it.

  192. I haven’t had much to say about Donna Brazile but when I saw her on CNN this weekend saying, in response to the issue of taking 4 Hillary delegates from MI and giving them to Obama, well, she’ll vote for Hillary at the convention if it’ll make her supporters happy.. It was so arrogant, insulting, and dismissive, like the issue of the RBC just throwing out the party rules and making up the primary results didn’t matter at all, and poor little us for even caring about it.

    It reminded me of Katharine Harris in Florida 2000 throwing up her hands at what had just happened to our democracy.. “Who, me?”

  193. Maybe Riverdaughter is working on a post. She popped in a while back.

  194. New post is up.

  195. Although the DNC can rig the nomination, they can’t rig the election unless we cooperate.

    It always said “Does not play well with others” on my report cards.

  196. Pat Johnson, check out this NYTimes Brooks column. I would rather not paraphrase the points here.

  197. I still can’t really get used to the term PUMA (though I dig what it means). I have been calling myself a Towanda voter personally.

    In the movie Fried Green Tomatoes, Kathy Bates plays a menopausal woman who’s getting kicked around by life. In one scene she’s about to pull into a parking spot she’s been patiently waiting for when two young hotties in a cute little sports car cut in front of her and zoom in. The hotties laugh at Bates and say “Face it, we’re younger and faster.” Bates then revs her car and slams into the sports car several times. When the hotties freak out, Bates says, “Face it girls, I’m older and have better insurance.”

    That’s exactly how I feel. I don’t mind my car being dented for the next four years by voting for McCain.

    You’ll it’s me in the voting booth next to yours when you hear someone yell “Towanda!!!” on Election Day.

  198. squinting

    So, leave for JUST a little while and my pretty Obama free zone is totally trashed?

    (smiling) Hi everyone! I’m back! What did I miss?

  199. Ben,

    I hope you keep posting, I’ve always enjoyed your comments. Who knows, August is a way off – anything can happen. If not, well so be it- I’m with Honora, McCain it is. I just hope all the Hillary VP is nonsense. I will not vote on any ticket with he who can’t be named.

  200. lol, McCain just said “Pundits and party elders have declared Barack Obama the nominee.” He pointedly left the voters out of that equation.

    Can’t stand McCain (I’ll be voting McKinney here in CA), but it was mildly amusing.

  201. Newhorizon – LoL … Yes !!! and I loved that movie and I loved that book and every darn thing about it .. !!!!

    Woohooo !! .. that movie is just what I need to see right now tonight or very soon – I am going to see if I can rent that now …

    remember when they cooked that guy in the .. was it a soup or what ?? .. I just remember the big vat and everyone around .. having fun …. lol .. Yes !!

  202. Count me in for a happy hour drink one of these fridays. hillary did not concede. instead she rained on the man’s parade bigtime. thank you all for all the kind words in your emails. mostly, thank you for your resolve, your courage and your teaching. i learn from you every day. that’s why i, too, am an evolving feminist. you will never lose. all the best…corbett

  203. I am so fed up with the media bashing Hillary for not conceding…. what is wrong with these people.. I am getting into a hole and staying there until after the election. No Hillary.. no traction for me…

    I cannot stand the so called pundits on CNN

  204. Okay it is a bright new morning, actually it’s damp, foggy and miserable, but I’m over my meltdown and ready to act like a PUMA instead of a wimpy little pu$$y cat.

    Thank you Arabella, Teresa and others for the pep talks. Sometimes not all of us are worthy of the fight. I know I am not. That doesn’t mean I won’t get up and start all over again. If i meltdown now and again just give me a time out, make me go to my room, and I’ll get over myself and be worthy of the speech that my candidate gave last night. I’m a PUMA and no matter how often I get down I ain’t out and those bastard ain’t gonna win without a fight.

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