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Bill Clinton: Cover-Up hiding Hillary’s Chances

SusanUnPC is links to this story:

(CNN) — Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, and suggested some were trying to “push and pressure and bully” superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

“I can’t believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out,” Clinton said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News.

Clinton also suggested some were trying to “cover up” Sen. Clinton‘s chances of winning in key states that Democrats will have to win in the general election.

” ‘Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.’ “

Yes, it’s not just the voters in the recent primaries rallying to Senator Clinton’s support. Voters all over the country are exhibiting buyers remorse and today’s Homind Views makes that dramatically clear. Hillary doesn’t have just a good chance of beating McCain — as of today, she’s got a 100% chance of beating John McCain in the election this November.

Take a look, Hominid Analysis of polls and Simulations:

On Friday, Sen. Hillary Clinton had a 99.9% chance of defeating Sen. John McCain in an election held then. Today after the release of five new polls, Clinton’s chances have increased ever so slightly.

After 10,000 simulated elections, Clinton wins 10,000 times (and there were no ties). What does this mean? It means that the state head-to-head polls used to generate a simulated election indicate that Clinton would win a general election held now. That is, her expected win of 320 electoral votes is well above the “margin of error” (or sampling variability).

This doesn’t mean she wins with certainty in November…it means she would win in an election held right now.


Here’s more from President Clinton:

The former president said Sunday that the media had unfairly attacked his wife since the Iowa caucuses, repeating an often-used charge that press coverage had made him feel as though he were living in a “fun house.”

“If you notice, there hasn’t been a lot of publicity on these polls I just told you about,” he said. “It is the first time you’ve heard it? Why do you think that is? Why do you think? Don’t you think if the polls were the reverse and he was winning the Electoral College against Senator McCain and Hillary was losing it, it would be blasted on every television station?”

He added, “You would know it wouldn’t you? It wouldn’t be a little secret. And there is another Electoral College poll that I saw yesterday had her over 300 electoral votes. … She will win the general election if you nominate her. They’re just trying to make sure you don’t.”

As President Clinton says, we’re in a virtual fun house. All weekend we’ve been told that it’s all over. Give up. “They” won’t let Hillary win. But all over the country Hillary’s getting stronger — the Democratic Nomination is a virtual tie.

And this one won’t be over ’till August.

59 Responses

  1. Yeah, leave it to the Big Dawg to lay it all out there. It sounds true though. The DNC obviously doesn’t want it published that Obama will lose the general election.

  2. And as long as this Cover Up continues — I’m not reading anything that mentions UNITY.

    I spit on Unity.

  3. hot damn!
    I can’t wait to vote for her…. but I guarantee this…
    I WILL WAIT TO VOTE FOR HER.

  4. There is a strong push to try and convince her supporters it’s over. Even though the current numbers are in her favor. The timing I guess is all about the meeting on May 31st to talk about the FL and MI votes. From what I’m seeing this tactic of theirs is making many of us more resolute in our position, and also tells us who really is for FL and MI counting by their continued support, versus those that are trying to convince us ( though many say they’ve been for Hillary all along ) to like them, accept what they call the inevitable. What I have to say to those folks is the inevitable they seem to want to sway, is really about folks like me who will vote for McCain if they continue to rob us of our candidate and keep pushing Obama and his trolls on us. Like Dean they need to know there will be a price to pay for their actions, and we will remember in November and vote against them and their lack of ideals and morals.

  5. Did Bill really say that. Not that it is not true, but did he say that. He said if Florida and Michigan were not seated there is no way the Dems will win in November. I did not hear him saying , straight up that Obama could not win.

  6. Like they always say, it’s not the crime that gets you it’s the coverup.

    What Obama did in MI and FL was a crime (taking his name off the ballot, cheating by running ads) but he woulda gotten away with it if he hadnt tried to cover it up with recalcitrance and dirty tricks.

    What Obama did in the caucuses was a crime (bullying, buying, bending rules) but he woulda gotten away with it if he hadnt tried to cover it up by calling for her to quit early and by counting only 48 states.

    What Obama did with his race-baiting, turning a blind eye and silent mouth to the misogyny, and divisive politics of this campaign was a crime but he woulda gotten away with it if he hadnt tried to cover it up with denials and lying that exposed him to millions as a hypocrite.

    I love what Indigo said. I too will be happy to wait to vote for Hillary.

  7. Bill is freakin’ awesome. The moment I knew the Obama people were crazy was when they started talking about Bill as a liability to a Hillary presidency. I carry in my head a list of every single thing Bill did as president that I disagreed with, but come on: even to think that his smarts and his empathy would be anything but a great gift to *any* president is just crazy talk.

  8. Pres. Bill Clinton just put the both BO’s camp and the DNC on full blast! And, you know what? It’s fan-freakin-tastic! It’s about time someone spoke truth to power. Leave it to the Big Dawg to lay some serious smackdown where needed.

    And I couldn’t care less what MSM whining follows his latest comments — it’s been a long time coming and they know it. The truth, deal with it!

  9. Who does the DNC think they’re foolin’? The moment they give it to Obama, the media and the GOP will pounce and tell the public the truth. There will be hell to pay.

    Jesus, the polls can’t be any more clearer: Clinton and Obama are polar opposites of each other in terms of electability. She’d destroy McCain, expanding the map; he’d lose in a damn landslide in a year virtually impossible for a Democrat to lose. She’d expand the Party; he’d splinter it irrevocably.

  10. I had an awesome comment that got killed when safari crashed 🙂

    I love, love, love when Obama supporters poke up their heads here and claim to want to showcase their debating skills by “engaging” in open dialogue with the regulars here. It is hilarious. They invariably proceed to demonstrate the debating skills of a pre-schooler while being gently and politely intellectually annihilated by the likes of miq, gary, patj, robin, cb, the hostesses and pretty much everyone else.

    I dont dare do it myself but I know that some of the greats here sometimes go over to orangette and other places to take the temperature and/or snipe. They often come back enraged, despairing, or deeply offended by the inanity and bile. I feel for them because I know they’re too good to have to experience that. But I have to chuckle when I imagine the orangina-lites who try to engage here. They must go away dazed and stuttering in confusion.

    Conflucians debate Oranginas the way Hillary debates Obama. It’s cringe-inducing to watch, but it always makes me smile.

    Thanks guys!

  11. CNN discusses sexism in the media – I believe this was taped yesterday with Howard Kurtz.

  12. I have to go back to this:

    “If you notice, there hasn’t been a lot of publicity on these polls I just told you about,” he said. “It is the first time you’ve heard it? Why do you think that is? Why do you think? Don’t you think if the polls were the reverse and he was winning the Electoral College against Senator McCain and Hillary was losing it, it would be blasted on every television station?”

    That’s absolutely true? How many panels did Pumpkin Head convey on MTP to discuss why Hillary was doing so poorly in a head2head match up? Even a single poll showing Obama doing better than HRC in the GE was issue du jour on MessNBC and CNN.

    Since mid March, Hillary has become the stronger, the better candidate in the GE, has kept increasing her lead and gaining in more States. Suddenly, no more talk about polls and match ups? What happened?

    What is the reason for SD to GIVE the nomination to Obama?

    Don’t talk to me about pledged delegates if you can’t explain why 1 Dem in AK is equal 19 Dems in CA.

  13. Let’s see, according to Hominid’s analysis, Clinton has a 100% chance of winning against McCain while Obama has a 37.1% chance of accomplishing the same task. Gee, but Obama has more money to shower on superdelegates and the Democratic party! I wonder which will speak louder to superdelegates, logic or money?

  14. Obama has trouble with:
    1 women
    2 blue collars
    3 gays/lesbians/bi’s/transgenders
    4 the Jewish vote
    5 red states
    6 Evangelicals
    7 Latinos

    Yep, he will be “swept” in by November. Who are we kidding here? This guy is toxic.

  15. I’m not convinced he’s the nominee. It’s a long way until August. I also think the reason he doesn’t want those states seated is that IF she is closer in the delegate count and ahead in the popular vote the SuperDs could give it to her and it would look completely fair. He needs to keep the narrative going up “taking it away from him.” That’s really pathetic.

  16. Thanks, JJ, for the link to the video. i noticed that CNN edited some of the worst examples out, but OK, it’s a start. At the end, in his commentary, Howard Kurtz says that he thinks there is a big backlash brewing against them for allowing it to go that way. That’s for sure. What an understatement!

  17. Oh, Joe, Obama money is speaking louder than common sense! I remember someone here mentioned that the superdelegates should have had a gag order placed on them. I agree, and that gag order should have been until the convention.

    JJ–Just watched the video. Thanks for the link. Maybe the whisper will turn into a roar.

  18. When I read Hillary’s book I was struck by something she said about Bill: “We started a conversation 36 years ago and we have been having it since”. Awesome. How many of us can say the same?

  19. “love, love, love when Obama supporters poke up their heads here and claim to want to showcase their debating skills by “engaging” in open dialogue with the regulars here. It is hilarious. They invariably proceed to demonstrate the debating skills of a pre-schooler while being gently and politely intellectually annihilated by the likes of miq, gary, patj, robin, cb, the hostesses and pretty much everyone else.”

    that’s because anyone who doesn’t agree with the thinking here has their posts tossed into the spam filter. the confluence loves to hear the sound of their own virtual voices but is afraid of any honest debate. three cheers for democracy in action on the internet.

  20. I wonder which will speak louder to superdelegates, logic or money?

    That’$ a $uper $mart que$tion you’re a$king, I wi$h I had the be$t an$wer.. Perhap$ they are $ure that $everal month$ from now, million$ of women will get over the pa$t, and $tick with the Democrat$ no matter who’$ nominated. I gue$$ they can alway$ threaten u$ over the $upreme Court. While Obama’$ hyper inten$e $upporter$ are the only one$ who$e vote$ they are afraid to lo$e..

  21. ROTF @ dar1ag!!!!! You’re a hoot!

  22. @lola: It’s because we’ve already heard these arguments before and no matter what we say, people like you refuse to listen to the facts and basic rationality.

    This is indeed a haven for Clinton supporters, but it’s truly impossible for any of us to be in an echo chamber since we’re absolutely surrounded by anti-Clinton hysteria day in and day out.

    And your hyperbole is a bit much. Democracy is not in danger by us refusing to engage in those who merely shriek at us and offer no substantive argument. There is no censorship here since only the government is not involved. You, obviously, have not been denied any voice. You can say what you want, but it seems as if it is you who only considers those who agree with you to be legitimate voices.

  23. In terms of the disgusting media coverage Bill references, even fair minded Obama supporters can understand the media coverage has been ridiculous. What some of them do not yet understand, however, is just how much of a backlash it has caused not just against the media, but also against the prospect of voting for an unqualified candidate. Whereas in the past, I might have sucked up whatever unfairness I perceived and voted for the D-candidate no matter what, this time I will not because no one, no one, in the DNC spoke up against this nonsense, not when it came from the Obama camp and not when it came from the media.

    I met a friend I haven’t seen for a longtime for coffee this afternoon. He is an Obama supporter from Ohio and although he has nothing against HRC and concedes there has been a media bias, he simply cannot understand why I think Hillary should take it to the convention and why I refuse to vote for Obama. They will be truly surprised at the backlash that is brewing, I think. The woman who runs Clinton Supporters Count Too, Cynthia Ruccia, wrote on their page over at Hillary is 44 that they have gotten more than 100,000 responses….that is CRAZY, 100,000 people, who based on one or two media appearances, have written and pledged not only to sit out in November, as I have done, but who have actually pledged to WORK AGAINST Obama in November…

    The SDs better wake the F-up!

  24. lola, to be honest, yes, I am sick of debating Obama supporters. I would rather not. I am exhausted by it. It doesn’t do any good. It doesn’t change any minds.

    I would rather have a peaceful conversation with Clinton supporters here, and if others want to stop in and derail it by trying to instigate a pointless debate given that we’ve all made up our minds, I would rather they go into the spam filter.

    In other words, I am not afraid. I am annoyed. Go away.

  25. lola: How could I take you seriously when you choose to ignore common punctuation? When I am forced to reread a post because it is all in caps, ignores punctuation, and is short of facts I find little reason to want a “debate”.

  26. Edit: “There is no censorship here since only the government is not involved.

  27. Lola, you dont end up in the spam filter for thinking differently.

    You end up in the spam filter for not thinking.

  28. dar1a g, hilarious!

  29. daria:

    i actually really get and respect that. which is why i have always chosen just to read but not to post. but when murphy decided to give props for being the amazing debaters, i just had to point out that i’ve seen many obama supporters kicked off the site just for voicing dissenting opinions. that’s all.

  30. If you all are interested in a truly depressing review of sexist commentary in the media, there’s Women in Politics: The Same As It Ever Was.. scroll past the first part and there’s a whole long section with links. ugh. I believe Shakespeare’s Sister’s Hillary Sexism Watch is up over 100.

    The sexist comments on liberal blogs and all over the comments sections of every major news outlet that runs any articles on Hillary.. those run into the millions, I’m sure. The vitriol is just unbelievable.

  31. Someone over at MyDD posted a vp list for Obama.

    Richardson – pleeeeeze
    Edwards – one time loser for vp, couldn’t get delegates to support him after running for two years
    Sebelius – yawn
    McGaskill – ?
    Biden – experience
    Dodd – experience
    Hillary – somewhere on the bottom
    Webb – another one term senator who just switched to Dem

  32. lola: Oftentimes the Obama supporters mistake “opinion” for “insult”. Then they get sent to the time out chair.

  33. Murphy:

    When I want a stool sample I go to Balloon Juice, which used to be a pretty cool place but now is CDS City, and the regulars there take their koolaid powdered and unsweetened.

    I stopped getting angy at them long ago, they are so detached from reality it’s like dealing with mental patients.

    I sometimes taunt and jeer at the wankfesters, but I don’t expect to change their minds.

    I don’t really care about helping them regain sanity, fuck ’em.

    When they come hear to “engage” us, they annoy me because they are just repeating the same debunked bullshit I’ve heard so many times in the past.

    I realize that Obama may indeed be the Democratic nominee, but I still hope it’s not too late. If he is, I’ll deal with it. There are other battles to be fought, and the world will not if Obama or McCain wins, nor will utopia begin if Hillary becomes President.

    “I get knocked down, but I get up again, you’re never going to keep me down.” – Chumbawamba

  34. lola —

    It’s not dissenting opinions that put Obama supporters in the SPAM filter. We actually have several regular posters who are Obama supporters.

    But we expect to be treated with respect. And that you not bore us.

    While we’re pretty casual about staying On Topic here — conversations drift around the general subject of our posts pretty regularly.

    But, if a visitor jumps in and hijacks the conversation, throwing out insults or lies — BAM: off they go to the spam filter.

    If we’re amused, we might give the visitor a little rope. If we’re bored why would we waste our time?

  35. Good lord lola,

    I have an unmet challenge to anyone who can cite an example of Obama demonstrating genuine political leadership, even one time in his very short and undistinguished political career. If you can cite one I will donate 25 bucks to his campaign. No one can meet that challenge.

    You talk about debating as if you know what the term means. You talk about thinking as if you know what the term means.

    Thinking does not mean repeating your very banal opinion over and over and over again. Debating does not mean repeating your very minor point over and over and over again.

    It’s sad really. You’re in a catch-22. You really need to hone your thinking and debating skills in order to successfully engage anyone at a rigorous blog like this one. But the only place you’re welcome is at the echo-chamber groupthink blogs where thinking and debating are neither welcome nor necessary.

    Sucks to be you.

  36. Yes, it’s like, dude, I don’t want to debate. My mind is made up. I really don’t want to hear it. I know so many, many people who are like it’s McCain in the Fall. Maybe some of them can be persuaded to come around. So go find them but just don’t bother us.

    Election day is bad for me either way: my boss is up for re-election, my partner is up for re-election, and then the Prez thing. Wonder if i will go three for three.

  37. lola: You obviously misunderstand the concept of freedom of speech.

    First of all, it does not confer on you the right to intrude on private discussions. This is Riverdaughter’s place, not a public square. You have no more right to interrupt us here than you would in her living room.

    Secondly, your right to speak does not require us to listen.

    Lastly, the concept of democracy means that all people are equal before the law and we all have an equal vote in how our government operates.

    It does not make all opinions equal.

  38. Ah, Iola —

    So clever, who would guess you’re our old friend, Caroline!

    Yaaaaawn

    Don’t you have any friends of your own?

  39. This is a Hillary video with some good music. It’s a bit old but I love the photo in it of Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea at the 2000 convention. And there is Chumbawumba!

  40. Hey Lola/caroline,

    Why don’t you just provide one example of Obama demonstrating genuine political leadership? Can’t do it, can you?

    Sad…..

  41. that’s because anyone who doesn’t agree with the thinking here has their posts tossed into the spam filter. the confluence loves to hear the sound of their own virtual voices but is afraid of any honest debate. three cheers for democracy in action on the internet.

    I love that about Confluence. That they are willing to use their spam filter.

    I have seen the sites with the “honest debate” going on. It’s an ugly sight.

  42. “honest debate” is one of my least favorite phrases along with “innocent victim.” It’s also similar to someone saying “I love him, dearly.” If you have to add the ‘dearly’ there’s something not quite right. And if you have to add the “honest” there’s also a problem. Personally, i prefer a dishonest debate1

  43. In all sincerity Lola, go check out the posts and comments at Shakespeare’s Sister. Many, many of the regular commenters and several of the front-page posters are strong Obama supporters. More often than not I completely disagree with their views and sometimes I feel frustrated that we see the same things so differently. But they DO know how to think, debate, and discuss issues with people who disagree with them. They argue intelligently and civilly. They disagree with facts using evidence, and they are gracious in concession.

    Have opinions and arguments of substance supported by factual evidence and I’m sure your comments would be welcome.

  44. Meanwhile, Obama/Richardson pull a Karl Rove in NM..

    Obama and Richardson are so KARL ROVE!!

    “Video of Memorial Day NM Obama Visit Up…Local Press TOTALLY & SHAMELESSLY COMPLICIT in Boosting Obama”
    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/

    I am really upset about how the local press has become part of the Obama campaign…as well as the secrecy, and closing out the public. And Richardson is just plain…fake!

    THIS IS SO GEORGE BUSH!!!

  45. Read this op-ed piece and guess who wrote it:

    From the beginning, the hopes of families have been the goals of this campaign. Hope to create better and safer schools for parents, hope to build savings and independence for the middle class, hope to give more Americans an opportunity to join the middle class.

    It has been the hope of young people, facing the financial challenges of college and marriage and mortgage and children, and the hope of seniors for dignity and security in retirement.

    We are not just opposing the current administration. We are proposing something better. For more than a year, we have been applying creative, (redacted) ideas to the job of helping real people. (snip)

    From the beginning, I also have talked about the goal of a responsibility era, which is not merely a set of political promises; it is a set of challenges, for the American people and their government. It is not something a president can do alone. It is something we must do together.

    Each of us is responsible for loving the children we bring into this world, and teaching them right from wrong. Churches, synagogues and mosques are responsible not only to be places of worship, but also to serve the community. Communities are responsible to educate children of every background and to help those in need.

    This is the kind of country we want to be, the kind of country our government should encourage. In helping families and communities, we should give them options, not orders, and trust people with responsibility. We should help them live their lives, not try to run their lives.
    ( … )
    I have called for a responsibility era in which government should trust the people, and the people should be able to trust their government. Public officials should call on Americans to be responsible. But lectures don’t replace leadership. Leaders lead by example.

    Leaders must be responsible, and in our great democracy, the top responsibility rests with the president. I am prepared to assume this awesome responsibility, and I will be guided by principles and convictions that will not change.
    ( … )
    A responsible leader sets a clear agenda and brings people together to achieve it.

    Responsible leadership sets a tone of civility and bipartisanship that gets things done.(snip)

    Finally, together we can give this nation a fresh start after a season of cynicism.

    Isn’t it scary?

  46. McCain? the not just opposing the current administration clued me in I think.

  47. The vague banality of its blandness is an exquisitely mesmerizing disguise of its creeping fascist core.

    scary indeed.

  48. Oh wait…I’m thinking this is an old Obama thing from the beginning of his campaign

  49. yeah the Daily Kos is all about bipartisanship. this your man, guys.

  50. no way ben. That HAS to be Obama.

    McCain is scary on the outside but a regular politician on the inside.

    Obama is shiny and swirly and lovely on the outside and downright frightening on the inside.

  51. That was George Bush, in an op-ed in usatoday titled “Why You Should Vote For Me.” with his “Uniter, not Divider” shtick.

    Is there any doubt left, that David Axelrotten and his protege Obama are running the Bush 2000 campaign?

    This op-ed could have been written by Obama. The buzzwords are all the same.

  52. lola: We know all about your dissent. We do not need to be subjected to your dissent here.
    What makes you think you can waltz in here and demand the attention of the rest of us for your point of view when we already know what your point of view is? What makes you think that you can say anything that will make us change our minds? What makes you think that you even *need* to change our minds given that Obama and Brazile have pretty much written our wing of the party off?
    What makes you think?!?
    Do you really believe that if we really listen to your dissent that you are going to present some fascinating or new detail that we haven’t considered? Is this because you think us incapable of our own critical thought? You must spoon feed it to us?
    We are sick of losing and we don’t like Obama or his stupid strategy of writing off half of our party while expecting us to vote for him anyway. And despite the fact that I am in the creative class, I consider myself working class. In fact, we are *all* working class if we earn less than several million a year. Do you understand what I am saying, Lola? There is nothing special about you to the people who have the money and the power. You are flattering yourself. The only way you have any influence in the world is if you stand in solidarity with the rest of us. That you choose not to do.
    So, stuff your dissent. You have no idea what the fuck you’re even talking about. This is the real world, not some fucking popularity contest.

  53. Obama’s camp sent the ridiculous Olbernut tape to the MSM.

    Yet again Obama is above such things.

    Obama is a hypocrite.

    He has his henchmen do the dirty work–while he is claming that he is above it.

    Obama’s voice makes me cringe.

    Unity. As noted, let’s talk legitimacy.

    Obama does not have it.

  54. MaBlue,

    wow. now I’m even more scared. jesus effing christ.

  55. Is there an original thought in the entire Obama campaign? Speeches already given by Deval Patrick. Slogans by MLK. The above posting that was from the Bush campaign 2000. A “me too” approach to policy in debates. Will the real Barack Obama please stand up!

  56. This is priceless! From Balloon Juice:

    lola Says:

    the scary thing is just how much this endless stream of bs is in fact poisoning the well. i was over perusing a pro-clinton site and i tried to make the point that um, hello hillary signed the dnc agreement and that camp clinton pretty much wrote the rule book on this, and they were not hearing any of it. i wasn’t raising my virtual voice or anything and they booted me! hillary and bill have manged to convince these yahoos that the election is getting stolen from them and there is no convincing them otherwise. scar, scary stuff

    I guess we hurt his/her/its feelings.

    Wait, do trolls have feelings?

  57. You are so brave, myiq2xu — I couldn’t go there. Did you know that Iola is Caroline? I was checking the spam filter to see if there was anything that didn’t belong and I saw the very first think posted by Iola in there — except it was written by Caroline. Our Sweetie from this afternoon!

    She just couldn’t stay away.

  58. I resent the term “yahoo” uttered by that little no nothing sneak!

  59. Here was my reply to lola/caroline:

    I was there when you got your ass booted from the Confluence lola/caroline whatever your name is.

    Your level of dishonesty doesn’t surprise me, coming from a Obama troll.

    You should fit in well around here.

    I go to BJ periodically to check the derangement level and to get the latest Oborg talking points.

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