I was listening to Taylor Marsh this morning on podcast, because, doesn’t everyone do that at 2am? She was pondering how the media is going to cover Hillary’s win in West Virginia today. I think I know the answer to this one: they won’t. Oh, it will be mentioned in passing, maybe a 30 second clip, “*yawn*, sooo boring. Besides it doesn’t change anything, Hey! Look at all the footage of the earthquake we have from China!” We’re going to make our own kind of music. For those of you who missed it, here’s Taylor’s latest podcast. It’s a good one.
She also says she got blamed for organizing a letter writing campaign to the superdelegates. Sam Stein at HuffPo writes about Clinton Supporters send Last Ditch Obama Attack Emails to Supers and calls her out but, er, I think it was us that suggested it. If I recall correctly, we recommended politeness. Then again, Donna Brazile seems to be the only one complaining… In any case, Sam should know that any push back directed to the supers is a direct result of the Obama campaign itself and its enablers, like DFA, who is actively soliciting signatures for a petition to gag the supers. We would really appreciate it if Obama’s campaign didn’t encourage stuff like that on its behalf. But that is the divisive nature of *Obama’s* campaign, not Hillary’s. We are not affiliated with Hillary’s campaign. If we’re mad at Obama, the DNC, DFA or Donna Brazile, it’s because they have offende US.
Speaking of US, it turns out that 64% of us want Clinton to hang in there. I interpret that to mean that voters want to have options, not Andrea Mitchell and Tim Russert picking our president. Maybe they are hoping that Oregon sets the record straight and stops Obama. Maybe the Obamagic is wearing off and Clinton is looking like a great candidate. Even John Edwards said as much. That reminds me of something else that Taylor mentioned: Republicans are looking on this with awe because they can’t believe that we are giving them the weakest candidate this fall. She mentions Rush Limbaugh specifically at being astonished at how the Democratic party is about to self destruct by passing up the stronger candidate. I don’t have much to add to that correct assessment except that there is no way I could ever contemplate voting for Clinton as Obama’s VP. If there has to be a unity ticket, she must be at the top. It looks more and more like there will have to be a unity ticket as much as I hate the idea. I think we can get African-Americans to sign on to him being her VP. That would get him the experience he needs and he can run in 2016. It’s the only viable option and would be a killer ticket, even if Michelle wants to dig out someone’s eyes about it. Any other combination of Obama on the ticket is a deal breaker. But the concept is so sensible that we can expect Donna and Nancy to shoot it down.
So, let’s cheer her on to finish out the primary season strongly. The media won’t be satisfied unless she wins 90% of the voters in West Viginia but I suspect that the supers will be happy if she just does very well.
Go Hillary! Rise and Shine.
Filed under: Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: ABC News Poll, John Edwards, Sam Stein, Taylor Marsh, West Virginia |
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Yeah, I was feeling Hill may actually want the VP slot and if she did, I could accept it. But, then I woke up on 3 hours sleep, and thought why the hell would she really want that? If she is the nominee, we win. If she isn’t we lose. If BO is the nominee, she’d be better off Senate majority leader. I can not believe the hapless SDs who seem to feel now is the good time to back this guy. He peaked in February.
Anywho, good luck today! I feel a big win!
Good Morning, riverdaughter! I LOVE waking up to a nice fresh post and this one’s a doozy, It’s made me realize that with this steady WWTSBQ-drumbeat that we’ve been hearing since Super-Duper-Tuesday (I think that was when I first heard The Math mentioned) No state is going to be shoved to the end of the line again.
It’s obvious that the DNC doesn’t really think everyone should get to pick the nominee. It could very well be that it won’t be envy of Iowa and NH that drives the calendar. It’ll be fear of total disenfranchisement.
Well, fuck that.
(sorry for the swearing part)
Don’t fucking apologize.
You know what, I was talking to some folks at TalkLeft last night and her ei s the thing. If the Party hacks decide to give a guy who has been losing steam since February the nod, as opposed to the clearly more viable candidate(note no one even pretends Hill isn’t completely electable anymore) they should at least stop acting like he’s such a great candidate. He couldn’t even win one big electoral state save his own. And, they are thinking so old. They think they can lose bu gain all these new life time voters. But this lot isn’t voting for the Democratic Party, just Obama. they are not likely to stick with the Dem’s once they lose together in November.
I just love the way the press is trying to blame everything on Hillary. This morning, I accidentally turned on XM’s NPR station and I ended up listening to David Broder pontificating on the campaign. He thinks its just terrible that poor Barry Obama, who is a very “slight, light young man” is getting beat up by big bad Hillary. That woman is denying Barry the chance to get some rest before the general election. Isn’t this just May? He needs to rest until August? Never mind that Hillary is still running because people are like, actually voting for her. Gasp!
Anyway, it was hilarious. If Obama is so physically weak that he can’t keep up with a GIRL, for pete’s sake, how is he going to survive a real campaign against a Republican? Obvious answer: he’s not going to be able to do it. And it’s all Hillary’s fault. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! She’s so mean!
As you know, I am honoring the moritorium on cable news. So I will return here at 8pm to find out what is going on if that is okay with you. I am as much of a junkie as you guys but I just cannot take the slamming and indifference shown to Hillary. Instead of crediting her with her refusal to give up, they are blasting her for going this far. Had the radio on this morning and a pundit pointed out that on about 1% separates them so why should she give in. Unfortunately this came from a local news station, not the big boys.
(waving)
Oh, I forgot to say what I think about the Hillary as BO’s VP — it’s a stupid idea. Totally stupid.
Someone somewhere pointed out that comparing Obama to Hillary is like comparing MIT to a nursery school. Well, if you put the two in the same organization, the nursery school doesn’t get to manage MIT. (shaking my head)
ALSO?
Obama is a total loser. I can’t even vote for him. Did you see my post yesterday? With all the Obama trolls, all day, not one person could cough up a full time job for the guy.
This is the hidden power of Hillary’s “Hard working White People” comment. What hasn’t sunk in for commentators is that Obama has never actually worked. He’s never done anything he didn’t want to do.
And I think that knowledge is trickling out. It was hidden by the “experience” issue. He brushed it off as him being new to Washington. Well, it’s not just Washington that he’s new to. It’s working.
He’s getting a tiny taste of it with this campaign. Obama’s tired (and people are wondering about that) He’s exhausted. He has to take a vacation.
Because he’s never had to work this hard in his life. And he doesn’t seem to like it.
(Oh really?)
BTW, riverdaughter, great post. I’m sure you’re right. The media is talking non-stop about how Barry has already won. I’m sure WV and KY are going to be ignored, just like FL and MI. So I guess this is going to be 46 state campaign now. Except guess in Obamaworld there are 7 more states that we don’t know about.
Oh, it would be almost criminally negligent for the Super Delegates to give the nomination to Obama. He’s proved with Indiana that he can’t steal an election. And there is no way with his baggage and Total Lack Of Work experience he’s going to get hired as President.
Hillary’s GOT to stay as far away from that deal as possible. She shouldn’t be contaminated by his failure. They may try to blame her for not accepting it, but no one will remember that for long.
With or without Hillary, I’m NOT going to vote for Obama.
But, that’s not an issue, she’ll win the nomination.
Yeah, I can’t accept it. I thought I could if Hill wanted it, but nah. he’s an empty suit. He’s a souffle that has already fallen flat. If the Dem’s nominate him, let them deal with it. She doesn’t want to be associated with him.
You know what, isn’t it so telling that the media is full board on she must get out right before another win? She needs to hang tough and take this to the convention.
I agree with Melanie that if Barry gets the not, Hillary would be better off as Senate Majority Leader. She could control the legislative agenda and have a better chance of getting universal health care. As VP, she would be relegated to the basement of the White House.
I too will NEVER vote for BO. If he is forced on Hillary, that would be unfortunate. He is undeserving of either postition. He needs to get a real job and grow up.
That should say, “If Barry gets the nod.”
One of the opening teasers on the CBS “Early Show” was “Increasing Numbers Call for Clinton to Drop Out.” I switched channels after that, but having heard that same headline for months, I’m guessing that of the 300 million population, we must be up to at least 700 million wanting her to quit. (Well, I don’t, so make it 699,999,999.)
I’m hoping things will look different after Puerto Rico votes. WV and KY didn’t abandon her and I’m hoping Puerto Ricans (of which there is a huge PR population in NY) won’t either.
I’m glad you posted this, because I was wondering what the media would have to say about a big win in West Virginia, and then, like you, I figured they would ignore it and talk about Lindsey Lohan’s latest escapade. At least, we’ll be able to get the vote totals from FoxNews as they come in. They love humiliating Obama, who probably woke up this morning humming, “What Do The Simple Folk Do?”
And BTW, I’m mad with John Edwards for playing both sides of the fence. He could’ve come through for Hillary in N.C., but no, he’s sitting around and waiting to see who comes out on top so that he can say he was on the winning team all along. I know how southern lawyers are. John’s hometown is right up the road from mine, and I remember years ago when he used to advertise on T.V. to help people injured in accidents to get their settlements. He’s come a long way from Robbins. I still love him, though.
You know when you have passed the threshold of reason when you find yourself agreeing with Pat Buchanan. If anything, he give Hillary credit and urges her to go the Denver because he thinks she is more qualified.
Pat: I don’t think the Republicans relish anything more than a food fight in Denver. They would be delighted if she pressed it that far. I’m hoping that the supers come to their ssnses and ignore the media drumbeat to anoint Obama. They have to know that it’s the absolute worst move they could make and will spell electoral disaster this fall.
rd: I am just afraid that if the Dems go down in defeat come Nov they will place the blame on Hillary. The fact that the DNC and some of those supers are backing him gives them cover if that happens. They will be looking for the scapegoat and she will be it.
Wow, check out this post by Jack Tapper, who wants to know why Obama is always blaming everything on his staff.
Obama’s Inability to Hire Good Help Rears Its Head … Again
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/obamas-inabilit.html
He also wants to know why it’s so hard for Obama to get votes in WV, a state that has way more registered Democrats than Republicans, as well as two Democratic Senators.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/why-shouldnt-ob.html
Could it be that West Virginians are actually smart, even though they don’t have fancy Harvard degrees?
The Obama Campaign = The most successful Anybody-But campaign ever.
Democratic Underground is having a fund-raising drive and they aren’t doing too well. I wonder why? I wonder what DK’s stats are these days? It seems we are having an effect by ignoring the Obamablogs, lol.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/05/bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.html
All this media blitz about Obama being the nominee is discouraging, but it seems like people in West Virginia are not listening to the news that the contest is over, because they plan to come out and vote. Yea!
Can anyone explain to me why ObamaFans are so bullish on Sebelius?
I caught a few minutes of her SOTU address and thought to myself: Nothing to see here; I can just watch the original episode.
Sebelius is as charismatic as dry toast. When she addressed the State of the Union in Jan I almost fell asleep. They are also pushing Richardson as a possible. That would certainly seal it for me altogether. Voting for that Judas would be a waste of energy and I doubt he could capture the gay vote since he waffled on that question during the primary if anybody remembers.
Yeah, hellow! The media gave us Iraq and now they’ve nominated Obama. Doesn’t that raise red flags with anyone in the Obama Shrillosphere? Sheesh.
One day, the Obamites will
Remove their CDS goggles
Remove their CDS earplugs
Peel off their special CDS filtering lycra
And go, oh sh*t! What did we do? By then, we’ll be well on our way to President McCain (with the help of my 3rd party vote).
And BTW, I still think Riverdaughter should sing for us, make a YouTube or something. Come on, girl!
Richardson would be a HUGE MISTAKE considering how the majority of Hillary’s supporters feel about him. And I don’t think that Sebelius is a good choice either, because a lot of Americans would probably say, “Who is she?”
Honestly, I’m not in the camp that wants Hillary for VP. It would be the classic case of the more qualified woman being given the lesser job in deference to a man.
I’ve been thinking a lot about something else, too. I know that Hillary has told everyone that she will “campaign her heart out” for Obama if he’s the nominee, and if that’s true, she’s a much better woman than I am. There’s no way that I could support someone who benefited tremendously from a hate campaign that was waged against me and did nothing to stop it from happening—didn’t even speak out to say as little as, “Attack her on the issues but leave her gender out of it.”
Hey, any talk here of HRC’s potential running mates? I just scanned the posts so I didn’t see anything yet.
BTW, I’m still keeping cable news off but I do check in the morning to see if Joe Scarborough is back on Morning Joe and it’s day 3 (I think) of Chris Matthews (EEEEK), Minka Pinhead and Pat Buchanan. No matter how much I like what’s coming out of Pat’s mouth I cannot watch that threesome. Where the hell is Joe Scarborough? he’s fighting for our Girl.
@ hlr,
I suspect the OFB are bullish on Sebelius because she’s a woman. YOu know, to replace Hillary, because we all look alike so a different on is ok…OK?
Instead of crediting her with her refusal to give up, they are blasting her for going this far.
What is sad is that Dems are falling for this.
You’d think it was Bush-Gore all over again, only this time Bush is calling himself a Democrat, so the Democrats are the ones cheering.
And the transparency of the move is covered up by Republicans visibly rooting for Hillary. “That means Hillary is the one they want to win, right? So we better vote for the other guy. Right?”
I know this is premature but I think it is important to loo
start thinking and talking about now.
If…they do succeed in stealing this nomination from
all of us, what about Hillary running as an Independen
ent?
My feeling is the Dem Party will not offer her any-
thing, not VP, not Senate majority, but try to margin-l. Maybe I’m wrong, but alize her. I may be wrong but that’s what I see.
Goes along with Matt’s posts about takeover of
Dem Party by Obama party, Kennedy’s comments
etc. and views of Congress meeting on TV this
morning.
What about a women’s ticket, with AA VP,
woman like Maxine Waters, Stephanie Tubbs-
Jones. Or other choices.
I think this ticket could win. So many people
can’t stand Obama or McCain. I can’t vote for
either one of them. I am disfranchised if those are
the choices. Hillary has been campaigning, she’s a
known entity, so it’s not like starting from scratch.
It would also send a message that her supp-
orters should not be taken for granted.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to make this
happen?
katiebird, and, well…actually, all of you.
i’m curious about a few things, and i have an answer to a question asked above.
but first….a brief introduction.
i am one of many.
i do not lean toward either, but watch in fascinated horror as the dems bicker, the repubs blather, and ron paul’s people put the name stalker to whole new definition.
and i worry about this country.
that said:
“Obama is a total loser. I can’t even vote for him. Did you see my post yesterday? With all the Obama trolls, all day, not one person could cough up a full time job for the guy.
This is the hidden power of Hillary’s “Hard working White People” comment. What hasn’t sunk in for commentators is that Obama has never actually worked. He’s never done anything he didn’t want to do.”
actually, i *can* point you towards one, tho i somehow doubt you will look.
perhaps if i bait the hook, hmmm?
rezco.
in 1990, B.O. graduated magna cum laude.
that takes work. they dont give that for popularity.
in 1993, he got a JOB with a law firm.
hence his association with rezko. (tho they knew each other before that, 1993 is the first documented…etc. im sure you know this.its juicy.)
i mean…its a FACT his mom got food stamps.
he didnt where he is now just on charm….i know some damn charming bastards, way smoother then him, and THEY dont have million dollar homes.
so lets take that as a given.
at some point in time, the man held a job, worked, and got paid for it, because neither he nor his wife inherited it, and they have virtually no debt (compared to the rest of us, at least.).
saying he’s never had a job just makes you sound, well, untrustworthy.
as a middle of the fence girl, this bothers me.
because if you actually have some sort of proof he’s printing cash in the basement, i think you should share with the class, ya know?
now….
as far as HRC goes, i have nothing against her….except, well, the people who follow her….if that makes any sense.
i’ve said my spiel on “uncommitted til nov.” to people on both sides, and B.O. people tend to shrug an say “all on you. just dont vote for mccain” and then go on to be obsessive little Bees….without me, my input, or my opinion…while HRC people seem to take it as some sort of attack….like im automatically against HRC if im not rabidly for her…and OBTW, against women too. and OBTW, HRC is not a rascist, BO is just a loser…blah blah blah…
its confusing.
one side acts like i dont matter…like its up to me, but if i dont, its no skin off their nose…and one side acts like because im not yet in the fold of believers, i am forever unworthy.
do any of you have any thoughts on this?
i’ll check back for serious replies.
~m
Actually, RD, I think you are wrong about Pat. He penned a piece back in February that of the three, McCain, Obama and Hillary, he thought his cohorts may want to vote Hillary or stay home.
Come on, it’s a pretty reasonable statement, Hillary is more qualified. I, for one, do not think either of the others is remotely qualified to be President, Obama being the least qualified in my lfietime at least.
Michelle — I refer you to my Questions for Obama
If you’d like to answer them, I’d appreciate it.
Otherwise? Any 47 year old man whose resume begins with his educational accomplishments does not have an adults resume.
And if you don’t answer? It’s no skin off my nose.
Yes, his mother was a grad student when she recieved foodstamps. He was going to prep school and living with his grandparents. Not sure what your point is.
Sorry about the choppiness of my above post.
Unfortunately it does dilute my message.
I don’t know what is wrong with the box for posting.
The line just ends but I can’t tell if it is printing.
Does anyone else have this problem or is it just
my computer?
katiebird is exaclty right. Your job qaulifications when you are in your late 40’s should not start with your academic resume. Further, I see no evidence of a fulltime job, not in several years at least. I Michelle worked fulltime, and made a big salary, but she wasn’t poor. His grandmother was a VP for a bank in Hawaii. These were not poor people. Not that academic acheivements or financial insecurity make you presidential.
What’s with all the concern trolls lately? Is somebody worried? Yeah, you really sound “uncommitted” Michelle. I couldn’t care less with you think. Do whatever you want and have a nice life.
michelle: I am not quite sure I believe your assertion that you are sitting on the fence. Not at this late date in the game. Having said that, a few facts need to be thrown out there to at least prop up the supposition that what we say and think bears examination.
Many of these bloggers were originally for Edwards. Some of us have been with Hillary from the beginning. We recognize her flaws but we appreciate her accomplishments and she does speak for us. The difference with Obama’s supporters is that they see no flaws. If one poses a question, the supportes pounce. In pouncing they resort to name calling, like racist, uneducated, disaffected females, unnecessary to the party, the list goes on.
We have reviewed his resume and there are questions. What can he actually point to as an accomplishment? We have read that he was given plum positions in the IL state legislature so that he could take credit for the creation of certain bills that were passed and that would eventually become part of his political viability. None of this is made up it has been documented. What did he do as a community organizer? That too is up for speculation. He represented a poor area of Chicago that was in desperate need of rehab and when the money that was allocated to Rezko for just such a makeover it disappeared. The question regarding Obama challenging Rezko to account for those funds has never been answered. They remained friends and Rezko is now on trial for fraud and bribery. Meanwhile those poor people went without heat and the amenities that you and I take for granted so that this fat cat could line his pockets and entertain Sen Obama. This alone does not indicate leadership or empathy to those whose voices are unheard.
Hillary Clinton, whether you support her or not, is a viable female candidate for the office of president of the US. She was a former First Lady who put her skills to work during that time. She is experienced and qualified which is evident by twice being elected to the US Senate. But she has been, and still is to this day, maligned and dismissed by members of the MSM. At no time did Sen Obama ever raise his voice in protest of this treatment. This is a man running on “transcendence” politics. He has a wife, two young daughters, was raised by two women, is seeking female voters. Yet he has remained silent toward this display of rampant sexism. For that alone he has lost any vote I may have considered for him if he makes it to the general. Again, an absence of leadership when it is sorely need.
Earning a degree, having bragging rights to doctorates, working in a law firm but unable to show that you once championed the people you were to represent does not make you a leader. It only serves your political expediency.
As Hillary Clinton pointed out, she comes with baggage but it has already been rummaged through. His baggage is there as well it is just that up until now it has been concealed by a pliant press. Should he capture the nomination the press will begin their work. By then it will be too late.
This is off topic (?), but I stumbled on this video and watching it was reminded of a lot of capable, super women who have been working hard lately.
This is intended as a sort of metaphorical salute:
http://www.snotr.com/video/1144
Apologies if this is old stuff to TV watchers. Haven’t watched TV for a couple lifetimes now.
God bless you all.
Yes, the media will ignore the win.
Re an Obama/Clinton ticket, no. For two reasons: I think it would still lose because Obama is at the top.
More importantly, however, whether Obama wins or loses the Presidency, we need Hillary in the Senate (hopefully replacing the totally incompetent Reid as Majority Leader).
I don’t believe Obama is committed to universal health care (or anything else for matter) whereas Hillary is. As VP, she would have to support his plans and she has worked far too hard on this issue to see it swept away once again.
As Majority Leader, she would have greater leeway to guide health care reform in the direction it needs to go.
And, functionally, it would probably be the worst matchup since Nixon/Agnew. Although, theoretically, she could play LBJ to his JFK: in that case while LBJ loathed JFK, I think JFK respected his legislative skills. In this case, I suspect that Obama dislikes Hillary enough to keep her completely out of any policy-making or enacting loop. It would be humiliating for her and she doesn’t deserve to be treated that way.
Um, I’m one of that 64% and I’m an Obama supporter. I just don’t think there is any urgency to getting Clinton out of the race. She can take all the time she wants and needs. All I really care about is that we stick together in the fall, the real disaster would be electing McCain.
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[…] Tuesday: Look over there! (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) I was listening to Taylor Marsh this morning on podcast… Taylor mentioned: Republicans are looking on this with awe because they can’t believe that we are giving them the weakest candidate this fall. She mentions Rush Limbaugh specifically at being astonished at how the Democratic party is about to self destruct by passing up the stronger candidate. I don’t have much to add to that correct assessment except that there is no way I could ever contemplate voting for Clinton as Obama’s VP. If there has to be a unity ticket, she must be at the top. It looks more and more like there will have to be a unity ticket as much as I hate the idea. I think we can get African-Americans to sign on to him being her VP. That would get him the experience he needs and he can run in 2016. It’s the only viable option and would be a killer ticket, even if Michelle wants to dig out someone’s eyes about it. Any other combination of Obama on the ticket is a deal breaker. But the concept is so sensible that we can expect Donna and Nancy to shoot it down. […]