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Michelle says: “I want to rip (Bill Clinton’s) eyes out.”

Yep, she really said it.

Then she said she was kidding.  Sort of like Al Franken’s “Kidding on the square”  In other words, she really meant it but she thought she could make it sound funny.


Ok, let me try it:

“I want to kick (Michelle’s) ass to the curb”

It was a joke.  Lighten up.


“I want to make (Michelle’s) teeth fall out.”

Kidding, KIDDING.  Can’t anyone take a joke?

Ok, you try.

92 Responses

  1. rdaughter: you are sooooo bad 😉

    Having said that… thanks for puting a smile on my face (once again)

    Now is time for me to go to bed. Long day. Tomorrow, another day….

  2. G’night upstate, Get some well deserved rest.

  3. Riverdaughter, did you hear that people in WV are reporting getting calls from Obama supporters telling them that there’s no need to vote because the nomination is settled?

    And then they ask for donations for Obama?

    How can we counter this?

  4. oh…………….my……………………….gawd……………

  5. Here’s another nice quote from Michele:

    In contrast with the Clintons, Mrs Obama said: “We were taught that you don’t rip your opponents to pieces, you don’t leave them on the roadside.”

    She’s a real sweetheart, isn’t she? Be sure to click the link and check out the photo of Michelle. It’s not real attractive.

    Oops! Just kidding…

  6. This is for those of you Hillary supporters who want to stay in the Democratic party….

    It comes from Ted Kennedy regarding VP pick…on why Hillary should not be his VP pick….

    Kennedy, 76, without naming names, said Obama should pick someone who “is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people. If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it’d be enormously helpful,” Kennedy said.

    I am beginning to hate these people…..

  7. As a woman of color, with all her Ivy league education, Michelle is an embarassment to WOCs everywhere.

  8. I. Spit. On. Kennedy

    (running off to cry in the bedroom)

  9. Sarah, in November, I’m writing in Hillary Clinton’s name. F*ck it and F*ck the Neo-Democrats.

  10. Sarah,

    When Kennedy finishes this term in the Senate, he’ll be 80. I think that’s quite long enough. We need some new blood here in MA. I plan to vote for Kerry’s more progressive opponent this year, even though he won’t win–this time.

  11. Kennedy is a super delegate and he will probably vote AGAINST his state’s wishes. Just like Kerry.

  12. Well it should be some fun to see Michelle and Cindy go at it. Remind me again what it is about her that reminds people of Jackie O?

  13. I broke the rules. Tuned into Wolf Blitzer at 6pm and he had Chris Dodd (who I used to like) and he asked him about the current polls showing that Obama has a hard fight if he is to go up against McCain. Chris poo pooed it and said that when the nomination is complete the whole country will realize what a great candidate we have. Wolf then asked about Obama’s short list of qualifications, particularly in foreign policy. Chris blew that off by reminding Wolf that Obama went to Russia with Luger and Luger loves him!

    Then Wolf questioned the breech already forming within the party regarding the Fall election and whether many voters will either go to McCain or stay home as threatened. Chris again denied that possibility citing how wonderful Obama is and that the Dem Party always comes together in the end. At this point I poured another glass of white wine and wept. They still no not get it.

  14. Riverdaughter, PLEASE, we need to start a movement where we’ll write in Hillary’s name on the Presidential ballot.

    We’ve been kicked out of the party, WE got rammed under the Obama Unity Pony Express by the Democrats we elected into office.

    So f*ck ’em. Let’s all write in Hillary’s name in November.

  15. Pat, I’ve got no spit left. (sigh)

  16. Yup, Michelle’s a keeper. If it wasn’t for her anger, I think she’d be the comic relief of the campaign. Sometimes, after a snark, she’ll snuff her nose like she’s ready to land a punch. She must be very intimidating in the boardroom.

    Ok, I’ll give it a try:

    I want to wipe that condescending smirk off of (Barack’s) face.

    Jk, jk…Come on, you know I was kidding.

  17. I just posted this on another thread but it fits here too. it’s a website with state by state rules on write-ins:


  18. Boston, there is someone to vote for aside from Kerry this year? Great. Who?

  19. Oh, can we do other people? How about this one?

    I want to squeeze (Donna Brazile’s) head just like uuuranje juuuice.

    Hey, just kidding. You know your my boo, Lou.

  20. Pat & Katiebird,

    SEE? THIS is what I’m talking about. F*ck unity. Obama cheated 2 states (and I’m a FL resident) of their right to be heard.

    It’s unconstitutional. WTF?

    So we as good loyal Democrats, have to step in line and follow the herd, not this bitch.

    I canvassed & helped a LOT of previously registered Cubans to switch from Rep to Dem in 2000 & 2004 – and when I get that call from my local Dem office, I’m not lifting a finger. Not me.

    Latinos don’t count anymore? Fine. Good luck with Mc Cain in the fall.

  21. Neptuna

    I’m on board!

  22. Again, like Anglachel said:

    “The interesting number to me is the steady increase in the number of Hillary Democrats who are taking the brutal treatment of their preferred candidate and the deliberate and cynical disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida very seriously, enough that they will not vote Democrat in November. It is the combination of the two that has created the backlash conditions, I think. If The Golden One was simply getting more votes in the same contests, then, yeah, sucks to be on the losing team, but the votes are the votes. However, the fact that the inclusion of these two states changes the math completely and that the votes are being blocked by Obama and that the press is brutalizing Hillary and making shit up and that we need both those states in our column come November and, well, yeah, we’re getting pissed.”

    The haka right now is ridiculous and they’re even dissuading people from voting. I hope people from WV, KY, and the rest of the contests don’t listen to the media.

  23. I’m sorry but I am going to re-post this Susan B. Anthony quote from 1872, if was used as by Suffragettes in protests at the 1920 Republican Convention. I got it from Iphie at a post on TL: ” No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her self.” I love the quote, even though it is ‘quaint’, it shows that historical nature of Hillary’s run, and the historical nature or our being dissed big time by the boys (including Pelosi) that run the Democratic Party. Kennedy’s statement seals it for me. I need bumper stickers!! i am using this on all my communications with the Democratic Party, of which lately there are many. We are right to make a big stick of this, we will make a difference if we stand firm.

  24. KB, How did you hear about the WV voter calls? If we could produce some sort of evidence, even an email, we could forward it to the Clinton campaign first, then media outlets and the DNC. I’m not up on how this works, but, it needs to be stopped immediately.

  25. I think we should be using our free minutes (both free cell phone AND real life minutes) calling West Virginia for Hillary.

    I HATE calling out of state, but Obama volunteers are calling and telling people not to vote. They’re trying to supress the vote!

  26. elixir, it was a comment at TalkLeft. I’ve been trying to retrace my steps so I can write a post about it. But they get hundreds of comments there and I don’t even remember what thread it was on.

    I will find it though.

    Obviously, money is important. But, I think Hillary really needs volunteers this weekend to counter those lies.

    I wish the press would cover this stuff.

  27. ColdBlue, I swear, I am going to write in her name and become the “Let’s write Hillary’s name” troll.

    THIS is what made me decide:

    Analysis: ‘Hillary Democrats’ could be up for grabs


  28. Have you guys read the piece by Susan Faludi in the NY Times about how Hillary’s toughness is winning over white men?

    For virtually all of American political history, the strong female contestant has been cast not as the player but the rules keeper, the purse-lipped killjoy who passes strait-laced judgment on feral boy fun. The animosity toward the rules keeper is fueled by the suspicion that she (and in American life, the regulator is inevitably coded feminine, whatever his or her sex) is the agent of people so privileged that they don’t need to fight, people who can dominate more decisively when the rules are decorous. American political misogyny is inflamed by anger at this clucking overclass: who are they to do battle by imposing rectitude instead of by actually doing battle?


    Certainly through the many early primaries, Hillary Clinton was often defined by these old standards, and judged harshly. She was forever the entitled chaperone. But that was then. As Thelma, the housewife turned renegade, says to her friend in “Thelma & Louise” as the two women flee the law through the American West, “Something’s crossed over in me.”

    That is how I feel. I’m not putting up with any more sh*t. Obama can’t guilt-trip me into voting for him and his supporters can’t bully me into it. “Something’s crossed over in me.” Chris Dodd can kiss my ass. Tom Dasche can too. Likewise Pat Leahy–even John Edwards if he really sells out to Obama. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry are a couple of losers. I’m not going to knuckle under to the threats, the pleading, the whining, the wailing. I’m not going to reward misogyny with my vote.

  29. ColdBlue, read the article on Yahoo I posted, I hope it comes out, if not, I’ll cut & paste the artcle

    Now “Hillary Democrats” are up for grabs like prime real estate.

    Not this one!

  30. Neptuna: They are so intent on flushing him into the WH they think they can overlook the Latino vote for now and come back later to pick it up. The Latino population within the next 30 years is going to overcome the black population which has remained static at about 12% nationwide. In twenty years there will be a Latino running for office and hopefully it is going to be a woman. Their motto should be; We will never forget. Many Latinos are those blue collared people who fill their tanks, change their tires, make their beds, clean their bidets, mow their lawns, nanny their kids, and are reaching for upward mobility just like everybody else. When they attain that status I hope they remember that at one time their votes were unnecessary. I hope they never forget.

  31. UGH! It didn’t come out, here it is: SORRY FOR THE LONG POST!

    Analysis: ‘Hillary Democrats’ could be up for grabs

    By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
    2 hours, 48 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON – With the racially tinged Democratic race drawing to an awkward close, Barack Obama and John McCain face the challenge of winning over “Hillary Democrats” — the white, working-class voters who favored the former first lady over Obama’s historic candidacy.


    Obama and McCain clearly have set their sights on each other, a recognition of the long odds Clinton faces in trying to capture the Democratic presidential nomination. The McCain campaign figures some of her supporters might be up for grabs and won’t necessarily vote Democratic in the general election in November.

    “I’ve been saying for a year that you never count a Clinton out, but now people are laughing at me so I guess I’ve got to stop,” McCain strategist Charlie Black said Friday. “But if you look at the blue-collar Democratic votes that Mrs. Clinton’s been getting and then look at their opinions of Obama in these public polls, there’s clearly an opportunity for McCain.”

    Clinton won more than two-thirds of the white voters without college degrees in the last three primaries — Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana — according to exit polls conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks. When those Clinton supporters were asked who they would vote for in an Obama-McCain matchup, just fewer than half said they would support Obama. Three in 10 said they would vote for McCain and the rest said they wouldn’t vote for either.

    Shrugging off those numbers, Obama spokesman Bill Burton expressed confidence that Democratic voters will unite behind the nominee. He argued that the Illinois senator also would attract “droves of independent voters and disaffected Republicans that he has already won over all across the country.”

    Clinton is trying to use her advantage with white working-class voters to persuade party leaders to disregard Obama’s overall advantage at the ballot and nominate her. Her campaign circulated a letter Friday from 16 members of Congress arguing she’s the strongest candidate to have at the top of the ticket in the fall because she has won most rural and suburban congressional swing districts.

    Clinton told USA Today in an article published Thursday that AP exit polls “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

    “There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said.

    Republican pollster Whit Ayres said that based on focus groups he has conducted in swing states, including Missouri, Michigan and Florida, Clinton’s claim that she would do better than Obama with blue-collar white voters is believable.

    He said those voters support her because of the prosperous economic times they experienced when her husband was president. He also said they are uncomfortable with Obama because of his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who created a furor with his divisive comments, and questions about Obama’s patriotism.

    “It’s cultural,” Ayres said.

    The older those voters are, the more likely they are to support Clinton. Whites without college degrees under 30 support Obama, although to a lesser extent than the college educated.

    In the general election, Democrats trying to attract white, working-class voters immediately start at a disadvantage. The party’s presidential candidates have not won a majority of white voters in more than three decades, according to exit polls over the years. The only Democrat to come close was Bill Clinton, who lost to Bob Dole among whites by 3 percentage points in 1996 and to President George H.W. Bush by 1 point in 1992.

    This year, whites who do not have college degrees lean slightly toward the GOP, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo News survey conducted last month, with 43 percent calling themselves Republicans and 38 percent considering themselves Democrats.

    Ruy Teixeira, author of “America’s Forgotten Majority: Why the White Working Class Still Matters,” said Democrats have a better chance of winning more votes from this demographic this year because of the troubled economy, the war in Iraq and rising health care costs and millions who remain uninsured.

    “These are voters who haven’t been doing too well throughout the whole Bush administration and now are really sort of beside themselves, don’t have a lot of faith in the Republican brand of economic management,” said Teixeira, a Democrat not supporting either Obama or Clinton. “The question is can McCain push other issues in such a way as to prevent the Democrats from taking advantage of their built-in advantage on the issues that are going to be current in this election.”

    Black said if McCain is to win over any “Hillary Democrats,” he’ll have to work for them and earn them, and he plans to do that.

    “I think you’ll see particularly his economic message and his health care message in very populous terms, and that he’ll be talking to and meeting with people in that category,” Black said. “A lot of these voters are conservative. A lot of them believe in a strong national defense.”

    They also believe in their guns, said strategist Mudcat Sanders, who advises Democrats on rural issues.

    “He’s got one thing he’s got to do and he’s got to say it clearly. He’s got to say, `I’m not going to take anybody’s gun,'” Sanders said. Obama has done that at times, such as when he was campaigning for Western voters. “It’s not a litmus test. It shows you are in line with the culture.”

    Sanders said if Obama does that and spends time getting to know rural voters, he can win them over.

    “He’s got to embrace the culture is what he’s got to do,” Sanders said. “The boy’s IQ looks like Pete Rose’s liftime batting average. It’s off the charts. But at the same token, that comes off to us as big city. The big city thing John Kerry never could shake, I think, is Obama’s problem right now. But I think he can get those voters and lot more if he just gets out there among the people so they can get to know him.”


    Associated Press Writer Alan Fram contributed to this report.

  32. Four years of having to listen to and looking at Michele Obama is enough reason to withhold my vote. This is a very angry lady. I honestly think the Wright connection was more to her credit than hers. Another Angela Davis in pearls.

  33. Pat Johnson, WE WON’T FORGET!!!!

    Hell, do you know what it took me to re-educate 100s of Cubans in my area about the “new” Democratic Party, that the Bay of Pigs/Missle Crisis was caused by Fidel and not JFK (although J. Edgar Hoover has blood on his hands)?

    Until Clinton came along, they changed their minds. When they saw he was leaving, they were going back to voting Rep, and even though we weren’t successful in FL, but a LOT OF CUBANS voted and continued to vote Democrat.

    In 2008, I’m not lifting a DAMN FINGER. To hell with it all. I won’t vote for a Republican, but I will write in Hillary’s name.


  34. Katie, even if you don’t find the specific post, I’m sure it’s true. even if it isn’t, the whole msm attitude is making people who don’t think a lot about politics think it’s over. we, here, hear that BO is declaring victory on the 20th and we’re like “wtf???” but a lot of people would be more like “oh, I guess he won”…..believe me, I work with people who have absolutely no interest in anything political, many don’t even vote, yet they know everything about every American Idol contestant. they’re unhappy about the price of gas but figure they’ll wait it out and it’ll be ok…..magically…..very nice people but amazingly incurious, or maybe they were curious at some point in their lives but reached a point where they figured they couldn’t make a difference anyway. I dunno. I can’t get them interested in even talking about it. because I like them and have to work with them every day, I don’t push it. I think sometimes those of us who are obsessive about this stuff have to realize that a lot of people just don’t give a shit.

    so back to your point, I would not be at all surprised if the Obama campaign is telling people on the phone that it’s over. the msm is also doing that on tv and in print. and many are probably buying it, not because they’re dumb but because they really don’t care one way or the other.

    I think when we donate to Hillary we should flood her website with suggestions that she go out of her way to tell people that they and their vote ought to count, and still can count. I think that would appeal to people who feel voiceless and out of the loop. everybody likes to feel important, and since these remaining states are being told they’re NOT important, I think the message could resonate.

  35. “I want to kick (Michelle’s) ass to the curb”

    There’s something special about you jersey girls.

    Kinda like Miss Congeniality.

  36. Well, I guess people now have to look square in the face the prospect of electing this man president.. how in the world Democrats could possibly do it, what in the world that would mean if it happened. It’s for real now.

    Ya know, re: Michelle, I heard a report last week on NPR about one of her speeches in Pennsylvania and even the NPR correspondent observed that the speech sounded pretty unhappy and bitter. !!

  37. Tristero over at Hullaballoo is quoting from and agreeing with Chris Bowers post. So I guess Doomsday has finally arrived.

    Kiki: I also worked with people, intelligent enough, who just had tuned out completely to anything outside their own lives. Nothing ever raised their moral indignation unless it was someone taking a closer spot to the door in the parking lot. Even Abu Ghareib did not penetrate. Being lied into war garnered a shrug.

    bostonboomer: I will never vote for Kennedy ever again. Despite his flaws I always regarded him as a champion of the working man and woman and worked to preserve their rights. After those comments regarding Hillary I am ashamed that I was once hit by an umbrella carried by an old man when I held a Kennedy sign outside a polling place.

    Obama is so inexperienced and unqualified that I can only assume that Kerry and Kennedy want to appear “cool” by showing their support for a black candidate. I am stumped.

  38. I kinda liked Michelle at first. she semed like a breath of fresh air after Stepford-Wife-Laura. but I have noticed she says all these angry things and then immediately says she was kidding. that’s never a good sign. if you want to kid all the time, say something that’s actually funny.

  39. Melanie,

    There is a guy running for the nomination for Senate against Kerry, Ed O’Reilly


    There is also a Republican running, Jim Oganowski, the guy who ran against Nicki Tsongas and lost.

  40. !!! kiki, I found it.

    It was a comment by our jawbone, repeating something from TaylorMarsh.

    And there’s probably no way for me to find that.

    Jawbone,do you remember any details about that story?

    It’s shocking.

  41. Kiki,

    I’ll bet Michelle beats up on Barack all the time. If she compains to women in Ohio about how hard it is to make ends meet on $300K a year, imagine how she must talk to hubby. I’m sure she’s the powerful one in that couple.

  42. BB,

    “Powerful one”?! I bet she verbally pistol whips him. Which kind of explains why he has the disdainful look when he’s arguing, he’s probably used to assuming that smug look when Michelle rips into him.

  43. I see a quote from Kennedy and I jump right over it.
    Why should I care what he says. He’s a pig (no insult to real pigs). He’s a big, drunken sot. A blovating
    wino scumsucking weasel (no insult to real weasels).
    I don’t think I’d better play the “what I’d like to do to Michelle” thing… if you know what I mean.
    I think Michelle is horrifying and really rather insane.
    There’s some test for mental illness- the Minnesota something, I think. I believe both Michelle and Barry need to take that and then go in for some long term treatment. Michelle has the Jackie-O hair cut, I believe that’s enough to make her Jackie-O, as Barry being left handed makes him JFK. I think that’s the rule on that. But I might have to consult my
    “how to be a properly ignorant, subservient, unquestioning, obamabot” manual. I have a copy of the manual because a college student exploded on my front step the other day. From what I hear there’s some problem with the delivery agent in the kool-aid.
    I guess it’s been reported that many college students are suddenly exploding. Oh, well.

  44. As we used to say in Western PA…”I’ll kick her ass up one side of the street and down the other.”

    Oh just joking…

    On a serious note….let’s make calls this weekend for Hillary…go to her site and sign up. I’ve got lots of unused minutes on my cell phone….

  45. When I think of how Bill Clinton called out the army, the navy and the marines to try to rescue Ted Kennedy’s feckless nephew-and this is how Kennedy repays the Clintons?? The hell with him.

  46. angelasmith: I am on the floor laughing out loud!!! Funny stuff.

  47. Do not forget…Kennedy is a murderer….ask Mary Jo Kopechne’s family….he drove her off the bridge..got out of the csr…and then didn’t say anything until 24 hours later…give or take a few….too drunk to report it….

  48. katiebird: There is a post similar to the one you are referencing over at MyDD right now. If it is the one addressing the Obama campaign telling WVa voters they need not vote but please send $400 asap.

  49. Katiebird,

    I saw some posts about that on the Hillary’s Voice list. Maybe if you looked on their blog? I deleted all the posts already, unfortunately. I’m sure the story is true.

  50. BB, Michelle complains about making ends meet on 300k a year? there’s a campaign strategy! I would imagine that endears her to the working class – oh wait, there is no working class in the D party anymore. I keep forgetting.

  51. Go to Talk Left for the Kennedy quote.

  52. Elixir,

    If he does become Prez, Michelle is going to be more unpopular than Nancy Reagan was. Michelle will be the dragon lady. She will find out what it’s like to be the focus of the press’s and the blogger boyz’s misogyny.

  53. If Obama gets to the WH be prepared for the GOP to do exactly to him what they did to the Clintons. They will have a free for all with the Chicago connections. She was given a job in a hospital making over $300,000 yrly to do God knows what right after he was elected to the Senate after that “bruising” campaign with Alan Keyes. And we question why healthcare costs are untenable.

  54. Oh great just heard on the news that Jenna Bush is moving to my neighborhood.

  55. Kiki,

    Here’s a story about it, unfortunately written by Byron York of National Review:

    ….“I know we’re spending — I added it up for the first time — we spend between the two kids, on extracurriculars outside the classroom, we’re spending about $10,000 a year on piano and dance and sports supplements and so on and so forth,” Mrs. Obama tells the women. “And summer programs. That’s the other huge cost. Barack is saying, ‘Whyyyyyy are we spending that?’ And I’m saying, ‘Do you know what summer camp costs?’”

    With all those concerns, one might wonder whether the women should be comforting Mrs. Obama, but she assures them that she’s really O.K. “We don’t complain because we’ve got resources because of our education. We’ve got family structure,” she says. “So I tell people don’t cry for me.”

    But there are still problems. As she has many times in the past, Mrs. Obama complains about the lasting burden of student loans dating from her days at Princeton and Harvard Law School. She talks about people who end up taking years and years, until middle age, to pay off their debts. “The salaries don’t keep up with the cost of paying off the debt, so you’re in your 40s, still paying off your debt at a time when you have to save for your kids,” she says.


    …her struggle appears to be somewhat different from the struggles of the women sitting at the table. In addition to its below-average median household income, Muskingum County’s unemployment rate has risen in recent years. And it is not filled with Harvard-educated lawyers. According to census data, just 12.2 percent of adults in the county have a bachelor’s degree or higher — well below the Ohio and national average. About 20 percent don’t even have a high school degree. They won’t face the wrenching choice of whether to go into hedge fund management or the helping industry.

    Go read the whole thing if you can. This woman is completely self-involved–just like her husband. I feel for their daughters.

  56. ok, since we’re discussin potential first spouses……we’ve analyzed Michelle, we all know Bill, but what about Cindy? she said today she will never, ever, release her tax returns. and i think that’s ok, she really doesn’t have to. she’s not running for office. except……why did Hillary have to release all her personal papers when Bill was president? I guess repubs are afforded more privacy.

    but here’s my question, about McCain….if you’re in your 70s and your spouse is richer than God, why not retire and have a little fun? I know I would! what makes a person like McCain crave power when he could have an easy life most of us could never hope to achieve?

    what makes anyone want to be president?

    Obama, I think, simply craves status.

    Hillary, in my opinion, wants status as well, but also wants to break ground for women, and has spent her life in public service and wouldn’t know how to fill her days if she wasn’t involved. also, she has lots of ideas, being a wonk, and wants to use them.

    McCain – I dunno. he has many years in the senate, but his standard answer to policy questions seems to be “I’ll have to get back to you” – I wonder if his wife’s vast fortune makes him strive for power so he can “be the man”

  57. Thanks Pat, I was about to go to MyDD (which I’ve been avoiding due to stress) but I checked out Hillary’s Voice. And found it right away.

    BostonBoomer, I sent a message to the group and the original author asking for more information and permission to use the quote.

    Who is organizing that campaign? It is OUTRAGEOUS!

    Sarah, I totally agree that we should make as many calls as possible this weekend. I hate calling out of state, but this may be our last chance to make a real impact.

    I sure hope the campaign is organizing local phone banks.

  58. Well, Michelle Obama is a fucking whore. Seriously. Can you believe what a fucking whore she is? LOL

    I’m just joking. We all know that Michelle is not a fucking whore. hahahhah But BB, OMG are you right about the backlash she’ s going to experience. Whoooo-eeeeee, she is not going to be popular.


    As for Kennedy and Chappaquidick, I think you should assume that there was something or someone on that bridge. JFK had died in 1963 and in 1964, Teddy was in a plane crash that left the pilot dead. Teddy spend several weeks in the hospital. Bobby was murdered in 1968. Chappaquidick was in 1969. It seems a lot more likely to me that there is something more to that than we know, and that Ted was swimming and hiding for his life. Why hide out for 24 hours because you’re drunk? I don’t know. I’m pretty annoyed with him right now, but I just find it hard to believe this was a simple drunk driving accident.

  59. Cindy McCain was on Jay Leno a couple of weeks ago. She had a stroke a few years ago and dealt with losing speech and some paralysis. It was due to thinking she didn’t have to take medication. So she did a public service thing telling everyone to take their meds.

    But, not a word about Universal Health Care for everyone.

    Apparently not a thought for the people watching who can’t afford to find out their at risk. And don’t want to find out because they can’t afford the medication.

    She’s a tool.

  60. “Teddy spend several weeks in the hospital.” I think he spent most of a year strapped to a board.

  61. $10,000 on just kid activities? A million dollar home. $300,000 yrly at a hospital doing I don’t know what kind of job? $20,000 to Rev Wright last year? Yes, she is just like you and me! I remember reading where one of her college roommates asked to be transferred to another dorm because she was “afraid” of blacks. It was probably just that she was afraid of Michele! Living with a militant 24 hours a day where every utterance is taken as an insult can get pretty wearying.

  62. oh dear, BB, I read the whole story. then excused myself to vomit, and now I’m back!

    that woman was honored that Michelle spoke to her? people are nuts. or so beaten down that a little attention gets blown all out of proportion.

    it reminded me of a story after that year, a few years ago, when Florida got hit by hurricane after hurricane. W went down for a photo op and handed out bags of ice. one guy said he hadn’t really liked Bush before, but after he handed him ice, well gee, he had his vote forever and ever. crazy……

  63. You may be right that there was something other than just simple drunk driving…anyway he got away with it.

    Would loved to go back and re-watch the TV coverage….I still remember watching him try to explain it away….can anyone provide this?

  64. Teddy has kinda coasted on the reputation of his brothers. but on the other hand, he has seemed to be a champion for the poor and the downtrodden. I have often been impressed with him.

    I’m not right now though. my feeling, and this is just my opinion, is that he resents the Clintons becoming the face of the Democratic party. he may even resent Bill being called the “Big Dog”

    Ted: ‘I wanted to be the Big Dog”

  65. MariaGarcia: If you put all the Bush’s in a room together their combined brain cells would equal his poll numbers.

    Cindy McCain bought and paid for the privilege of marrying the war hero. He was a married man on the prowl and if her life did not turn out with him as expected, oh well. They own 8 different homes which certainly explains how well he will connect with the rest of us losers.

    What a great choice we have in picking a president. A complete unknown with a cult following and an old man with memory problems. God help us when we could have the most qualified and she may not be included.

  66. Hey everyone – Go to Taylor Marsh and check out the “Clinton Lunch Bucket Cocktail Hour”.

  67. oooh, maybe Obama promised TK that if he’s elected, he would officially name him “Big Dog”…..maybe even elevate it to a cabinet position.

    that’d show those upstart Clintons…….

  68. Michelle Obama is one shallow, egotistical, arrogant, ugly-ass bitch.

    I am kidding! For the first time in my life I am really kidding.

  69. So Michelle Obama went to Princeton and then Harvard, and everyone knows (a) how she got through with low SATs and considering she majored in sociology was pretty much a leg-up; (b) that it’s not just what she was when she got in, but also what she gained with her education – zilch: for example, her thesis is full of typos and poor grammar. (c) with only a cume laude degree in sociology gets the even rarer opportunity to attend Harvard Law School.

    It’s not surprising that in this cohort of Democratic Presidential candidates this year and their families, she feels uniquely out of her depth: not just Hillary Clinton (whom no doubt she’s comparing herself to and feeling burnt by), but Bill Clinton (she was thrilled the day she got Secret Service protection because that put her on par with Bill), even Barack Obama (who’s a zillion times smarter than she is, even if he is just an empty suit) – and yes, even 27-year old, searingly brilliant, composed, charming, beautiful Chelsea Clinton!
    (if you haven’t already seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4_a188ws8). If there was a true ‘creative class’ in this country, the Elite, as opposed to insecure ‘elitist’s, it is the three Clintons.

    The first refuge of an insecure person is to bring down someone else (pretty much what Barry’s has been doing in his campaign). So Michelle goes around saying the Clinton family is ‘not moral enough’ to sit in the White House. And she expresses intent to physically hurt and cause injury to the person of a former President of the United States – this should’ve immediately required a Secret Service visit to her house.

    The worst I can think of for this woman is: I want the whole world and her children to watch while Michelle Obama is interviewed by someone other than fawning interviewers, and on questions of substance – on ANY topic in the world of her choosing, even on managing external affairs of large hospital, vs. ANY of the three Clintons. Maybe even Dorothy Rodham. That interview should prove once and for all how hollow she is, and should hurt her worse than anything else.

    “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud to be an American” – Michelle Obama

  70. I peed in a bathroom at Ken’s Steakhouse once with Howie Carr’s wife. I was giddy for days! People are so stupid.

  71. Clarification: Howie Carr is a right wing radio commentator and columnist in Boston. He is an idiot. Suggests that Hillary is a lesbian.

  72. Michelle O’s verbal attack on Bill was said in front of the writer who was profiling her in the New Yorker. Her handler looked chagrinned.

    The woman lacks class, but that is what the media is selling us. I heard she was complaining about her low SAT score. That wouldn’t get most Americans a scholarship to Princeton! Why isn’t she grateful?

    Will the corporate-consolidated media turn to the Republican if BO is it? I tend to think that BO is THE corporate gift, more than wild-card McCain. General Electric’s NBC is pushing him to sell us nuclear power plants. The naive public can”trus”t Obama. Heck, he put Exxelon corporate interests (money for his campaign to BE President, not serve us) above nuclear-waste -free water for the people of Illinois!

    Let’s see how our consolidated media responds. It certainly is afraid of Hillary. Now that is a woman capable of bring real, not fake, CHANGE!

    I was reminded by Sonya at Sugar N Spice (Sugar is really really good, go visit her blog) that Kerry and Daschle (the “elites”) paid a visit to McCain and offered him the VP slot, which he refused. Maybe he sensed a losing ticket.

    Daschle-in-exile and Teddy (The Old Man of the Senate) were the ones in whom Obama confided his presidential ambitions when he was catapulted into the Senate. How sweet to be sucked up to by the “rock star” who never had any competition. Even the bar for being president of law review was lowered–no longer the top student, but a position appointed by interview.

    Sonya asks what has McCain done in the last 4 years to make him the enemy? Can anyone tell me? I was going to write-in Hlll, but she has to approve it first in my state, and I’m sure she won’t–so if it isn’t Hill, it’s no vote for top ticket or a vote for McCain. I would kind of like to make a statement and help not elect someone for whom I have only contempt.

    I have been a Democrat all of my life. Volunteered before I could vote. My first campaigns were with my mother and my earliest memory of them is at age 4. I was a young Democrat in high school and went to the state legislature to work as a Senate or House page frequently. I worked on campaigns as women were allowed to do since I was a girl–licked enveloped, handed out flyers. What I was allowed to do just increased and increased but always for a male candidate.

    No one has been more important to me than Hillary Clinton as a Presidential candidate. My mother is in her late 80s and has worked for the Democratic Party all of her life. She is sickened by the hatred the media and the Democratic “leadership” has shown for Hillary.

    I am sickened, too. The fact that the “leadership” did not confront the Obama campaign when it falsely portrayed the Clintons as racists was as disgusting as the fact that it did not stand up to the Repugs when Kerry was swiftboated.

    It was time for a Fireside Chat.

    If McCain was good enough as Kerry’s running mate, he is certainly more acceptable than Obama to me. Maybe I just didn’t grow up with Chicago politics but BO seems unDemocratic to me. I get the W. vibes from him, but with more woman hatred.

    The whole Rezko thing is going to blow up in the Democratic Party’s face when Gov. Blag gets called out if Rezko is facing a long jail sentence and sings. Fitzgerald specializes in going for the lower rungs of the crime family and squeezing them. My fondest wish is that if Obama has done anything wrong in terms of influence peddling, Rezko sings on him, too.

    The delegates do not vote until the end of August. Anything can happen.

    It seems that the Obama cheering squad is tired of its echo chamber. I notice more and more are coming to BO-free zones and spreading their venom on Sugar’s blog. I had enough of them on the Daily Obama. A candidate is known by the company he/she keeps.

  73. who is Howie Carr? yeah, I know I could google it

  74. ahhh, ok, thanks

  75. Chevalier. “The first refuge of an insecure person is to bring down someone else” (sigh)

  76. I hope we’re not approaching a time when a really good campaign strategy will be “this thursday, at 3 p.m., you can pee at Ken’s Steakhouse with my spouse”

    I hope we’re not going there becauser I fear it would actually be a winning strategy. and it’s kinda creepy

  77. Sarah? Over 700 comments. What should I look for?

  78. kiki: No sweat. This Thursday is Movie Day with a group of friends. We meet, lunch, have a few drinks, gossip, bitch, and then take in a movie. Of the five of us only one favors Obama. We should have a good time this week tearing Michele down. We are a rather shallow group.

  79. Teddy resents the Clintons. He couldn’t let the Clintons. who came out of Arkansas and made it on their own merit, have two Presidents to one Kennedy. The Kennedys made it on old Joe’s rum money, and they came from Boston. Shame on the Clintons.

    It’s a power struggle within the Democratic Party. I hope that Bama has NOT promised both Richardson and Pelosi the second slot.

    My sense is that a lot of people are going to feel burned if this man gets near the White House. Voting for McCain may be in the best interests of the people who have been loyal Democrats (as opposed to the Democratic “leadership” ). After all, he was offered the VP position under Kerry.

    Who thinks it is past time to have a viable third party? Past time to bust up the corporate control of the media that broadcasts over the “people’s” airwaves?

  80. http://www.taylormarsh.com

    third segment down….Lunch Bucket Clinton Cocktail Hour

    video – run the video

  81. CB, that’s exactly what I’m thinking. I wonder if at some point someone said to Ted “wow, the Clintons are a dynasty like your family, only they did it without start-up money” or something to that effect. someone said or implied something, I’m sure, cause his recent comments are way catty and resentful, and beneath an elder statesman. to imply that Obama has proven leadership qualities that Hillary lacks is dumb. love him, hate her, and it’s still dumb. believe in the unity pony, think she’s shrill, and it’s still dumb. what leadership qualities has Obama exhibited? Ted is either senile or he’s been promised something. or, most likely, he resents the hell out of the Clintons, who got to the top on their own merits and not their brothers’ reputations or their fathers’ money. it’s all so sad.

  82. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

    CAN HILLARY REBOUND? YES! Take the poll.

  83. I think it is resentment. How dare these hillbillies (HRC joined Bill in Arkansas) try to upstage the Kennedys who made it to real lace Irish aristocracy (forget how the money was made).

    Teddy isn’t someone who is going to mentor a woman in the Senate. I doubt that he sees women as equals. He does look a bit like Bama’s typical white grandfather. A middle-aged man like Obama on the make would make a beeline to Teddy to improve his lot in life.

  84. CB, bootlegging.

  85. I could not agree more about Hillary as a “write in” / independent candidate.

    April 1st I wrote a post of her running as an Independent. Later in the month all these Obama kool aid drinkers started referring to it. I explained it was a piece of satire, but they would have nothing of it.

    If Hillary ran as an independent I would support her. There is no way I will support the duopoly. I find it funny when Obamaniacs refer to her as the DLC candidate, when in fact her campaign has been an FDR one.It just shows that FDR himself would be vilified by today’s Democratic party.

  86. When I send in my voter registration card to the DNC, this afternoon, I’m sending a packet of KoolAid with it.I think I’ll make it yellow.
    I just sent them an email saying they lost me, my mother and my daughter. And I’m young enough to be around for another 30 years to make certain they don’t forget what stupid asses they are.

    The three of us are writing in Hillary in November. There isn’t anything the Dems can do to win back my vote. NOT A THING

  87. Neptuna, on the other thread I posted that Florida and Michigan are the reasons I will never, ever, vote for Obama and may very well vote for McCain, or write Hillary in. I am outraged, and I don’t even live in those states but after Bush v. Gore every Democrat should denounce this attempt to disenfranchise voters and steal an election.

    And leslie, I am with you. If Obama were to publicly get on his knees and kiss Bill and Hillary’s asses, I still wouldn’t vote for him. There is NOT ONE THING they can do to win me back.

    Years ago I was with a man who cheated on me constantly, and I kept taking him back. One day my best friend told me, “If you go back to him one more time, do not ever call me again to complain about him, because you will have deserved all the unhappiness you suffer.” She was right. And that’s precisely how I feel about the Democratic Party.

  88. sarah – there is more to the story…

    Suppose that Ted is/was gay or bisexual. Suppose he was in his car with a young man and they were on their way to his motel room because they needed privacy. Suppose Mary Jo was sleeping in the back seat and Ted had not noticed her. Suppose he received a call several hours later from the house that she was missing and then he finally went back to the accident and started looking for her.

    The above explains Ted’s fuzzy story and timeline. In 1969 a Kennedy could recover from the scandal of the accident but not from being gay.

    Back then the internet did not exist and our community was inclined to protect those in public life. I have only recently revealed to some what I knew back then.

    All of my male friends in New York and D.C. that could verify Ted’s activities back then are deceased. You can guess their cause of death.

  89. “I want to smack her so hard that when she wakes up her clothes will be out of style.”

    Just kidding, just kidding!

  90. I want… my country back.

    Document Signed entitled “Acceptance,” New York, September 14, 1960, formally agreeing to be the Liberal Party’s nominee for President.

    “I, JOHN F. KENNEDY, the undersigned, residing at 122 Bowdoin Street in the City of Boston, State of Massachusetts, having been nominated as the candidate of the Liberal Party for election to the public office of President of the United States in the general election to be held on November 8th, 1960, DO HEREBY CERTIFY that I have accepted the said nomination tendered to me and I hereby consent to be the nominee of the Liberal Party for election to the public office of President of the United States as aforesaid…” This document, with its time stamp proving that it was filed with the New York Department of State at 11:24 a.m. on September 19, proclaims itself the filing party’s retained, official copy.

    The day he signed this document, JFK spoke before the Liberal Party, and the ringing declarations of this speech defining liberalism have become famous.

    “I am proud to be the only candidate in 1960 with the nomination of two political parties…I would like to say what I understand the word “Liberal” to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a “Liberal”…

    This is my political credo: I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, and the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas.

    It is, I believe, this faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith, for liberalism is not so much a party creed or a set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

    I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind…Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it…the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society.

    Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies…”


    The Liberal Party worked hard for Kennedy’s election and its nomination proved to be a decisive factor in his election. The Republican nominee, Richard M. Nixon, actually received more votes than those cast in the Democratic column for JFK. However, with the fusion of the more than 400,000 Liberal Party votes, New York State returned to the Democratic column for the first time in four presidential elections. Thus, in the 1960 presidential election, the votes provided pursuant to this document provided New York’s margin of victory for John F. Kennedy. And New York’s electoral votes provided JFK’s margin of victory nationwide.

    (Link misplaced, but it’s real and searchable.)

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