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Sunday: Didja hear? Obama won Guam!

He won by seven votes. I think that’s the maximum number of riders in a teacup on the Mad Hatter’s ride in DisneyWorld in Florida and one more player than the Detroit Red Wings take to the ice in a regulation hockey game. I’d say that’s pretty definitive. Clinton can pack it in now.

In other news:

Hillary has her own preacher dude on her campaign staff. His name is Burns Strider and he’s not really an ordained minister but he was a Southern Baptist missionary in Hong Kong. His current mission is to talk to evangelical types who might have voted for Republicans and convince them that Hillary’s a fine, upstanding, moral person. Should be a piece of cake. All he has to do is decline any invitations to speak at the National Press Club and she’s good to go.

Speaking of religion, there’s an Islamic scholar in Turkey who could be the Martin Luther we’ve been waiting for in the Muslim world. The NYTimes has an article on Fethullah Gulen, a US based exiled Turk who is setting up new forms of Muslim schools, called PakTurk, all over the middle east and central asia. Mr. Gulen is a member of the Sufi sect of Islam, so it should come as no surprise that he’s more moderate and flexible in his approach to Islam. Here’s a bit of his philosophy:

“Private schools can’t make our sons good Muslims,” Mr. Niazi said, sitting on the floor in a Quetta house. “Religious schools can’t give them modern education. PakTurk does both.”

The model is the brainchild of a Turkish Islamic scholar, Fethullah Gulen. A preacher with millions of followers in Turkey, Mr. Gulen, 69, comes from a tradition of Sufism, an introspective, mystical strain of Islam. He has lived in exile in the United States since 2000, after getting in trouble with secular Turkish officials.

Mr. Gulen’s idea, Mr. Aytav said, is that “without science, religion turns to radicalism, and without religion, science is blind and brings the world to danger.” …

They prescribe a strong Western curriculum, with courses, taught in English, from math and science to English literature and Shakespeare. They do not teach religion beyond the one class in Islamic studies that is required by the state. Unlike British-style private schools, however, they encourage Islam in their dormitories, where teachers set examples in lifestyle and prayer.

“Whatever the West has of science, let our kids have it,” said Erkam Aytav, a Turk who works in the new schools. “But let our kids have their religion as well.”

Jeez, get this man a foundation. This is one cause worth funding.

Anglachel describes the crazy obsession that the other half of our party has for the Clinton’s in The Whiteness of the Whale. Apparently, we Clinton supporters don’t have the right pedigree because we refuse to turn our backs on white trash working class and sourtherners. They’re either Bubbas or Bunkers and we are now associated with them. You can dress us up but you can’t take us out. I can see where she’s going with this but I think she is overlooking the powerful effect of marketing and group mentality. Not everyone in Obama’s camp are Ivy League grads. A lot of them are just wannabees. And who wouldn’t want to be a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Model with a PhD in Architecture? If that’s the class you aspire to belong to, you’ve got to be properly taught to hate all the people your peer group hates. Many of the Obamaphiles have no idea why they hate the Clintons.

The top ten most influential political pundits in the US according to the UK’s Telegraph are:
10. Mark Halperin
9. David Broder
8. Jon Stewart
7. Tim Russert
6. Matt Drudge
5. John Harris and Jim Vandehei
4. Rush Limbaugh
3. Sean Hannity
2. Chris “Tweety” Matthews
1. Karl Rove

That’s a pretty scary list right there. Betcha Tweety is having a good day though. Notice anything special about this list, I mean other than the fact that only one is a liberal? Yep, no women. I intend to be the first. Just wait until next year’s top ten list. I’ll be right up there with Frog March himself. Hey, a girl can dream.

One final note: It’s never too late to volunteer to help out in Indiana and North Carolina. We still have three days of hard work ahead of us. And if Hillary doesn’t shave Obama’s margin in NC, those of you armchair election jockeys are going to wonder if you did enough. Hey, I put in my time in NJ and PA. I did my part. (guilt trip, guilt trip, guilt trip) See here or here for details. And if you can’t, a yuppie food stamp is always greatly appreciated.

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  1. I lived in NC and I agree she can take it. Your previous post on the population is spot-on. Guam is great as it is: 2 delegates to each. A win may be a win, but this is a TIE. And he hasn’t had a win since…let me see…it’s been a while. That makes him so cranky…I can’t imagine big cheering going on over the Guam, uh, victory.

  2. ” … I think she is overlooking the powerful effect of marketing and group mentality. Not everyone in Obama’s camp are Ivy League grads. A lot of them are just wannabees.”

    Those effects have been HUGE in Obama’s popularity. An OFB once took me to task for dissing Obama because, after all, Bambi did so well at Harvard Law, and was offered big bucks after getting his JD. I happen to know something about grads from top law schools, and I didn’t even know where to start responding to this silly creature.

  3. […] Tom in Vegas wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptSpeaking of religion, there’s an Islamic scholar in Turkey who could be the Martin Luther we’ve been waiting for in the Muslim world. The NYTimes has an article on Fethullah Gulen, a US based exiled Turk who is setting up new forms of … Read the rest of this great post here […]

  4. Awesome! I hope you make it, riverdaughter! I’d definitely put you up there. The Confluence is the second stop on my daily blog run these days, right behind anglachel. The netroots shake up has been good for me. You guys and Anglechel are real finds, along with Corrente, and reading these blogs reminds of why I started reading blogs in the first place. I hadn’t realized how stale the writing had become on the former big dogs like TPM. I read you with the same enthusiasm I used to read Glenn Grenwald before he got his Salon gig. He still does good work, but it isn’t exciting anymore. There’s such a complacency in the blogger boyz network anymore.


    A friend of mine just sent me this, which looks very official. There’s even a nice button to click to APPLY NOW.

    [your name] —

    My father called on Americans to ask what they could do for their country.

    Those who answered his call built a movement that transformed our country and brought out the best in our national character.

    Barack Obama has followed in that tradition — dedicating himself to public service as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago and then as a state and U.S. Senator.

    Now, Barack is calling on a new generation of leaders to get involved and help transform this country.

    The Obama Organizing Fellowship is designed not just to help win this election, but to strengthen our democracy by training dedicated volunteers in communities across the country.

    Answer the call. Ask what you can do — for this movement, for our democracy, and for this country.

    Apply to be an Obama Organizing Fellow today:


    Fellows will participate in an intensive and rewarding training program focused on the basic organizing principles at the heart of Barack’s campaign.

    Then, in June, they will be assigned to a community where they will receive a minimum of six weeks of real world organizing experience that will have a concrete impact on this election.

    Organizing is about more than winning votes. It’s an opportunity to help people realize the power they have to change their communities, and this country, from the bottom up.

    Barack’s experience on the South Side of Chicago transformed his life, and he wants to share that experience with you.

    The application deadline is Thursday, May 15th, so apply now to be an Obama Organizing Fellow:


    Thank you,

    Caroline Kennedy

    P.S. — If you cannot make the commitment required to be an Obama Organizing Fellow, I hope you will pass this message along to someone you know who might be interested.

    I also hope you will make a donation to help support this national program and a new generation of leaders:


  6. I read over at charlotteforhillary.com. The Observer endorsed BO today because get this, he has the “ability to learn”. Oh my…

  7. Pacific John is in Oregon. He says that calls will make the difference. He’s in the belly of Obama country (Eugene) and finding it Hillary tending. Is his e-mail report back available to everyone? (It was posted on my local Hillary list.)

  8. Melanie: BTD at Talkleft has a post with some of the excerpts of that endorsement. As I read them, I sense that there was a struggle going on with the editorial board because the endorsement is fricking incoherent. On the one hand, they all but acknowledge that she’d be a ready president from day one and is smart and tenacious. But “Obama fricking makes them cry sometimes.”

  9. What the hell is that? He makes them cry? Jesus.

  10. CB: Calls ARE important but there is no better way to get a vote than a personal contact through canvassing.

  11. I agree. Canvassing is the best method. Worked very well in NH. One of my favorites was this woman my friend and I convinced to go out and vote for Hill. We later realized she wasn’t on our canvass list. You never know when or where you will find a voter.

  12. I’m waiting to see what the N&O does, although an Obama endorsement from them wouldn’t surprise me, based on their coverage of the two. It looks like they might wait til tomorrow to try to get as much of the spotlight as they can.

    I’m interested in seeing who some of the smaller papers in the state endorse, if they even do.

  13. […] Tom in Vegas wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptSpeaking of religion, there’s an Islamic scholar in Turkey who could be the Martin Luther we’ve been waiting for in the Muslim world. The NYTimes has an article on Fethullah Gulen, a US based exiled Turk who is setting up new forms of … […]

  14. Melanie: No they didn’t say that. It was in a spoofy Ralph Nader youtube video. I’m just saying that the Charlotte Observer sounds just like it.
    Here’s the video: Ralph Nader, We Are Anonymous

  15. No, I know they didn’t literally say that, but this endorsement is a joke. Gary, how significant is this endorsement?

  16. Actually, Obama did not legitimately win Guam.. How do 500 out of 5300 ballots, almost 10%, get spoiled? And how do most of them happen to be in a district which went 61% for Clinton? Obama’s people have cheated at every other caucus,; this is just bolder. They’re all about winining by any means, you know; just like the Brownshirts. Probably Obama has at leat 50 additional delegates (and Clinton 50 less) due to the various fraudulent activities that have been chronicled. If anyone thought that the 2000 election was stolen, this is actually worse, because it has been done over a longer period, and with the silent complicity of the Democratic leadership, which pretends that it is all about fairness and counting all the votes accurately, when it’s time to ask for your moey.

  17. Melanie, I don’t think it is huge, but I get the feeling that it is really getting so close that every little thing can have an impact. I get from the Charlotte O and the N&O that they have been pro Obama for a while. I read one Letter to the editor complaining that The CO buried the story on Clinton’s huge (9000+) crowd compared to front page coverage of Obama events. However, in the GE I am sure both papers will enodrse McCain regardless of who is the dem nominee. I have to wonder if their positive coverage of Obama is an indication that they would prefer to have him as an opponent for McCain, but I can’t let myself start going down the conspiracy theory road.

    The Charlotte O and the N&O are both under the McClatchy umbrella, don’t know if that makes a difference. Also Charlotte, while the biggest city inNC, is often considered the biggest city in SC as well. In many ways Charlotte is much more aligned with SC than other parts of NC

  18. William: Oh, what’s a few spoiled ballots between friends? I mean, it’s not like in Florida in 2006 when there were systematic errors with the voting machines that ended up cheating a Democrat out of her congressional seat.
    See, these ballot spoilage problems wouldn’t happen if Guam would just pass a paper trail initiative like Florida on its primary day.

  19. well, gotta run, I’m at a painting contest that my partner is taking part in. If we win we get to go to Paris, so wish us luck!!. I’ll check back in later this evening

  20. Oo-la-la! I can give you a list of things to do when you get there.

  21. “What the hell is that? He makes them cry? Jesus.”

    That’s the mind on high-powered modern marketing.

  22. Riverdaughter

    cool. I could use it. Last (and only) time I was in Paris was on 9/11, kinda traumatized me and I really want to go back for a positive experience. He won once before, so we’re really hoping he does this time too. would be a nice summer treat

  23. Gary, good luck! Hope y’all win!

  24. William ~ you mentioned the Brownshirts. That is what I think every time I read about or see the “Fellowship” re:Obama. the first time I read about it, I swear I said something as a response to the BHO campaign about the Brownshirts. They don’t read their email, or they wouldn’t continue to have me on their lists. In fact, I don’t think they honor the “unsubscribe” either as I have tried that as well.
    Hillary was on “This Week” and was her wonderful self. I don’t know how she can even look at Stephanopoulos (or however he spell his name). What are these shills doing challenging her while they let the Precious one slide?

  25. Jeraly @ Talkleft mentioned 2 op-ed pieces in the NY Times today. They are truly well written and enjoyable.

    With just days to go before the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, the Op-Ed page asked writers from each state to report on the race. Here is Porter Shreve’s latest dispatch.

    From NC: Songs of Eloquence and Experience

    About HRC he writes:

    Mrs. Clinton’s event proves staged to perfection. True, her starter notes strike one as Midwestern-student-council sharp. Her peach-toned pantsuit at first looks a wee bit Haz-Mat orange. But give her three minutes and Senator Clinton’s bright hard mezzo asserts its raw forward energy. A force, maybe not of Mozartian crystal-springs talent but surely revealing a titanic Beethoven will. Her speech proves as swift as it is friendly. Half-bawdy, she laughs at the unfairness of her needing more time to get camera-ready than do her male competitors.

    Unbelievably, Senator Clinton shows no exhaustion. This speech might’ve started her campaign a full 18 months ago. If her factoids more resemble USA Today pie charts than her husband’s baked-goods stories, she hits only salient points. I want her to handle my finances. She reminds me of my tightly buttoned secretly sexy favorite fourth-grade teacher, one whose lessons tasted medicinal going down but have stayed right with me these Ice Ages later. B+ (excellent diction, citizenship, cursive).

    About Obama he writes:

    After an eternity of introducers introducing introducers, Senator Obama hops up those stage steps, a semaphore for “youth.” He’s elongated-sanctified as any El Greco saint. White shirt, his usual ice-blue tie, you guess he’ll heat up soon. We’re finally in for a little evangelical preaching worthy of this dark hour in American life.

    We keel forward, ready to re-love our country through him. Is he fatigued? And we aren’t? He puts in his full 40 minutes. He punches a clock. That clock is 20,000 souls he knew he had already. We’re people who left work early, paid costly sitters, parked a mile away to hear one clarion goose-bumping grace note from him.

    Is he smart? Yes. Tall? Check. Heat? Sixty-eight degrees. We sit in his peanut gallery waiting to jump up and scream ourselves hoarse with a backlog of “Amens.” We’ve come for that. We never get it.

    His attitude, as a performer, as a voice for justice and reason and peace, tonight seems that of a calm if besieged martyr. At times he sounds a wifely tiredness; the old “See everything I do for you, night after night?” And this is his audition to compete against a grizzled no-nonsense P.O.W.? Is this the snake charmer whose song we hope will purge that toxic nest called the Bush White House? The rally ends. Grade? A hopeful “Incomplete.”

    From IN: Clinton at the Crossroads

    About HRC:

    A retiree from the automotive supplier TRW told me that his brother, a union organizer, had helped bring John F. Kennedy to Indiana in 1959. I asked if he’d gone to see Caroline Kennedy. “Nope,” he said. “She’s not backing the right guy.”

    ( … )

    As we awaited Senator Clinton’s arrival that night, with the loudspeakers booming John Mellencamp’s “Our Country,” I was wondering what her approach would be. For weeks, she’d been going on the offensive, tapping into voter frustration in other Rust Belt states. But Indiana has lost fewer jobs and has a relatively strong manufacturing base compared with Ohio and Pennsylvania. And though this conservative state catches grief from left-wing, secular types (myself included), I’ve never lived in a place with such neighborly and decent-seeming people.

    What a challenge for Senator Clinton, I thought — to be both “male” and “female,” to be a fighter and polite, at the same time. Yet she pulled it off. Stepping to the stage in a petunia-pink suit jacket and pearls, she was as charming as a hostess at a church social, but also clear and assertive. She spoke without condescension or finger-wagging about overhauling the tax code, trade policy, new investments in clean energy.

    There’s an old joke that “the reason there are so few female politicians is that it is too much trouble to put makeup on two faces.” Looking at the crowd filing out of Riehle Plaza, I wondered what the rest of Indiana will have to say about this politician in pink: Two-faced? Or the right guy for the job?

    Can somebody here remind me why we even have a contest?
    And why is Hillary Clinton the candidate people are trying to chase out of the race?

  26. I’m glad you intend to be the FIRST! Keep Church and State separate! Teach the HUMANITIES to teach compassion crossculturally!

    Teach Art & Literature first…

    I saw a post at MyDD — a cause for concern, and the Denver thing? Hmmm. It’s called Recreate ’68. Check this out, the level of target marketing RD & Co. It’s unreal.


  27. Looks like it’s Oguama now! And it also looks, from Google, like at least six people beat me to it.

  28. Y’all are still making fun of Guam! I used to live in Dededo.

  29. Don’t speek about Gulen, if you don’t know his background.

  30. Abdullah: I think you missed the point of why I brought him up in the first place.
    By the way, I don’t know if you’ve noticed but this is MY blog and i live in the US and I can talk about anyone. I don’t need your permission.

  31. Viotel: The only reason we are still talking about Guam is because its size is dwarfed by Florida and Michigan. Well, any state, actually. And yest, its will have more votes at the convention than Florida or Michigan.
    I had friends who were stationed in Guam. We all thought it was a death sentence. It’s nice to know it wasn’t. BTW, in Oahu, we did all the things you did 35 years ago. My sister and I were both island girls. It’s just that we had most of the comforts of tourism as well.

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