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If you were Hillary…

…What points would you make to sway the voters of Pennsylvania? Don’t go for long winded soliliquys or treacly sentiments. What is called for is a knock out punch that voters will remember that will sum up the differences between her and Obama or will pull back the mask and expose one or the other’s true natures. Like Lloyd Bentsen telling Dan Quayle that he was no Jack Kennedy or Ronald Reagan with is “There you go again” thing. Hillary already had one with the “That hurts my feelings but I’ll try to go on”, which I thought was brilliant but was so long ago people might have forgotten it. It showed her humanity, humor and tenacity.

Ok, I’ll go first. IMHO, Obama’s appeal is that he seems to be a messianic figure who promises a vaguely defined change but his fan base is actually quite exclusionary. In ObamaWorld, not everyone gets to the Promised Land. Only DINKS, young people and AA’s. Everyone else is part of the great unwashed masses who are too stupid to be of any use to him but who he got saddled with anyway, sort of like the leftover kids he had to pick for his team. But he keeps telling us “You need me”, like, no matter how badly he treats us, we can’t do any better. I’d like to flip that meme around. “Senator Obama thinks you need him. You’re nothing without him. Senator, you can’t do anything without these people. All of these people. Rich, poor, young, old, laborers or academics. They’re the ones who get things done and *I* need *them*, every one of them. Including the voters of MI and Florida

Other ideas:

“If you are so confident you can win this contest without the voters of MI and FL, why are you spending money like a sailor to run ads in PA?”

“Is it possible that the people you say don’t like people who don’t look them are NOT Archie Bunker types, as your campaign called them in Ohio? What if they just think I’d be a better president?”

“Just because people who voted for me think I’d make a better president, that’s no reason to call them Archie Bunkers, as you did in Ohio.”

“Lobbyists? That’s all you got? Until you’ve had your life turned inside out by your enemies to find *nothing*, you don’t know what swiftboating is all about.”

“Sit up straight and pay attention when I’m talking to you.”

Ok, go!

33 Responses

  1. You got it! No way can I do better than that! Quick- get it to the campaign!

  2. Melissa: Oh, I’m sure we can do better. It needs refinement and brevity.

  3. I dont think I would talk much about Obama – I would stress strengths of mine and imply the difference i.e. the number of times I have shown a true understanding of what they need – the policy I have already put forward – and the expereince I have in handling very similiar challenges ito theirs n the past – things I have done and stressing that they should already know me. I would challenge them to find any of that in the other person’s portfolio saying this is a decision of Knowledge vs risk and how comfortable they are in their lives to take a risk on somebody who is wonderfully charismatic but hasnt really done much.

  4. I would hammer the economy all night. if time permits, point out Obama taking oil money and lobbyist cash claiming he’s done neither.

  5. Judith, I’d really love to say that works and there’s always space for that. But there has to be a defining moment tonight. If I were her, I’d have a NY Strip steak, rare, before I go in there tonight. She has to be able to find absurdity.

  6. Instead of “I need them,” how about I work for them–You are not a rube, or a bigot, a progressive, or an intellectual, a low information voter, or a laborer. You are not a label, and you are not invisible to me. I work for each one of you, citizens and visitors to this Country. I see you, I hear you, I respect you as part of the marvelous diversity that has made this Country so great!

  7. Lobbyists! When I heard BO attack Hillary as the tool of lobbyists and then boast that he took “not one dime” of lobbyists’ money, I wrote him off as someone in the same league as Richard Nixon. One too many BIG LIES–and ones that can be fact checked. Does he take us for fools? Well, yes!

    This is what I wrote to friends then:

    During his speech last night, Sen. Obama continued his negative attacks on Hillary. Among them:

    It’s a choice between a candidate who’s taken more money from Washington lobbyists than either Republican in this race and a campaign that has not taken a dime of their money.

    Sen. Obama’s comments come on the same week Public Citizen released a report detailing ten bundlers for Sen. Obama who have registered as federal lobbyists.

    Sen. Obama has also taken money from former lobbyists, partners of lobbyists, people who hire lobbyists, lobbyists’ spouses, and state lobbyists. [article excerpted below]

    Until he started running for president, Sen. Obama took money from federal lobbyists and, as a state senator, directly from corporations.

    An Asterisk To Obama’s Policy On Donations
    A presidential hopeful’s refusal of lobbyist money has its limits
    By Dan Morgan L.A. Times Staff Writer


    WASHINGTON . While pledging to turn down donations from lobbyists themselves, Sen. Barack Obama raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation’s capital.

    Portraying himself as a new-style politician determined to reform Washington, Obama makes his policy clear in fundraising invitations, stating that he takes no donations from “federal lobbyists.” His aides announced last week he was returning $43,000 to lobbyists who donated to his campaign.

    But the Illinois Democrat’s policy of shunning money from lobbyists registered to do business on Capitol Hill does not extend to lawyers whose partners lobby there.

    Nor does the ban apply to corporations that have major lobbying operations in Washington. And the prohibition does not extend to lobbyists who ply their trade in such state capitals as Springfield, Ill.; Tallahassee, Fla.; and Sacramento, though some deal with national clients and issues.

    “Clearly, the distinction is not that significant,” said Stephen Weissman of the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan think tank that focuses on campaign issues.

    “He gets an asterisk that says he is trying to be different,” Weissman said. “But overall, the same wealthy interests are funding his campaign as are funding other candidates, whether or not they are lobbyists.”

    [go to Web page cited above to read the rest]

  8. You have a choice. There’s a man who promises everything, who has done nothing, and can’t recognize what others before him have done, or …

    OT, Seattle’s 5-day ,a href=”http://seedsofcompassion.org/”>”Seeds of Compassion” mega-event with the Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu, and a cast of thousands, wrapped up yesterday (with some sweeping up left to do today). Webcasts available in 24 languages,
    and wonderful graphic summaries of main events

    And also yesterday, an 11-year, multi-million-dollar Us v Them legal battle came to a close with authorization of a $1,093.297.50 wire transfer to Them … but preserving important First Amendment protections for Us.

    A little more sweeping up, and I’ll get back in action here.

  9. I think her perfect strategy would be exactly what she did right before Ohio…
    Satan’s handmaiden has plotted a cunning move right before PA, the very same astoundingly evil trick she cunningly carried out right before Ohio, thus evilly depriving the Approved One@Kos of his rightfull victory in Ohio.

    This is her strategy: Its the One Two Punch.

    Step 1. Debate!!!!!!
    She forces a debate where she sends out those hidden coded messages about actual government and policy dogwhistles to policy wonks!!!!

    Step 2. Appear human!!!!! on Comedy Central
    The night or two before the primary she evilly plots an appearance on Comedy Central, cunningly calculated to expose the fact that she is a decent Democrat!!!!!!

    Is there any end to her cunning shrillness????

    And her antics!!!!! And her desperate attacks!!!! Can NOTHING stop that evil minx?????

  10. my first post, here, and another kossack refugee….but I do think debates are her only chance to get through the snipping being done by the media. They can’t edit too much of her off when its a debate, or a comedy show appearance.

  11. I like what she said on Leno. Referring to slams about the 90’s she said something like ‘I don’t understand the negative comments about the 90’s. What don’t people like – the peace or the prosperity. She doesn’t want to brand herself as a step back to the 90’s – but when Obama says how horrible they were and gives accolades to Reagan & Bush I – it is Obama who is damaging the democratic party. Maybe she should ask Obama point blank – you know 600K jobs were created in this country from 1994-2000. From 2001 – 2007 we lost 3 million jobs – I think America would be thrilled if we restored our economy to what it was in the 90’s. And the way we do that is to return to what worked and improve it. To denigrate our past success for your own politcal purposes does not help this country. My plan for getting this country on track again will. She should go after Obama for slamming any democratic success that isn’t his.

  12. I would have compared bambi’s campaign to Deval Patrick in MA then point to Axelrod as hollywood producer who is running his campaign. Patrick is failing in MA but it is a delicate issue b/c she can’t attack a sitting democratic gov.

    Same hollyood script. Same bad result.

    I bet many don’t know about Patrick and Axelrod.

  13. That will teach me a lesson.

    I just tried to listen to “liberal” radio while taking a breather. Arghrrrrr@*&%^!!!

    Screaming on top of his lungs against Hillary Clinton was Ed Schultz, that execrable, overfed, enormous, michelin man looking blob.

    Btw, is there anything on earth that is not damaging to the Clinton campaign?

  14. I liked her Leno line: What part about the 90s didn’t you like: the peace or the prosperity?

    But that might harken back to much to her husband’s presidency and she needs to be on her own.

    How about “With friends like Bill Ayers I guess you won’t have enemies…after he’s done with them.” Or…

    What’s a woman to do? I wanna talk policy and you wanna play politics.

    Or: Sen. Obama, you seem to have a hard time making up your mind on a lot of issues most people have thought about for a long time. Are you sure you are ready to be president?

  15. MABlue: No, her campaign will always be portrayed in the worst possible light because it fits the Obamapahile narrative that she is a LLLOOOOSSSEEEERRRR.

    This has been another episode of simple answers to simple questions.

  16. Chicago: Ooo, I *love* that “what’s a woman to do?” line. It’s perfect.

  17. If Obama mentions the money the Clintons have made and accuses her of being elitist:

    “Elitism isn’t where you are in life. It’s the angle of your nose when you look at other people.

    I’m not ashamed of the success Bill and I have enjoyed, but I haven’t forgotton where we came from either.”

  18. RD – what is tonight? I though the debate was tomorrow night. I can only tell you that when I was undecided she got me to go with her that way – and it is the undecideds she needs. They havent been caught up in Obama-hype so they may respond to a rational approach. I take my own advice in running my business and I am successful in it – stress you own positves ver and over again while implying the very clear difference without outright saying anything negative.

  19. by the way, everybody here had great ideas and I enjoyed learning form each of you. If the debate is tongiht thank you to you all for the reminder becuase I was going to be out….now I will be watching!

  20. 4/13/08
    a. is more honest and trustworthy

    clinton 30
    obama 53
    both 8
    neither 4

    29. Please tell me if the following statements apply to Hillary Clinton or not: She is honest and trustworthy.
    Yes No No opinion
    4/13/08 39 58 3
    5/15/06 52 42 6


    right wrong or indifferent or Bosnia, Clinton has lost a lot of in the honest/trustworthy department. In this poll she is at only 4 in 10. 4 in 10!!!

    At any rate this is why whatever she does is not really gaining much traction anymore. What can you say that will work when people don’t trust what you say?

    A major problem.

    Unfortunately when so many people think you are not honest and trustworthy its just hard to win an election.

    How this happened we can all have opinions on. Whether it is the media, the attack machine of years and years, Obama, or Bill’s Clintonian (media meme)legacy, or all of the above, what it adds up to though is a rather fatal reality.

    If the majority of people think you are not honest and trustworthy they are not going to elect you.

    While we should all be angered by this undeserved outcome I suppose, it’s pretty clear to me what the end game is with these scary numbers.

    How can you actually win in the face of such a negative viewpoint by the overall electorate?

    I’m afraid the reality is we are beginning to see the obvious answer.

  21. “You hope and dream at night. But then you wake up in the morning, roll up your sleeves and get to work. That hard work is where the American Dream is. Not in the dreams of the night, but in the solutions of the morning.”

    Other things the campaign should put out – I’m not sure that Hillary should speak these out herself:

    “This campaign is not about two minorities, women and AA’s, finally getting a chance. This is about a MAJORITY that has been kept forcibly quiet for 300 years, because women form 54% of the population. And AA’s form 12% of the population, Hispanics are 14% of the population – US Census data. This is about a debate between underprivilege, and between underprivilege and gross non-representation.”

  22. My suggestion, “you know, for a guy who claims to be about hope and future, senator Obama sure likes to quote a lot from my husband in 1992.”

    Expect Obama to come up with a “I am humbled psuedo speech” about what he said, so as to pre-empt what Hillary would say about his comments.

    What is his record? Hits on lobbyists (hypocrisy), oil companies (hypocrisy), ethics reform bill (hypocrisy).

    Senator Obama, I met Martin Luther King and I admired MLK. He went to jail, he was beaten, he started his work years before his speech. Senator, you are no Martin Luther King. (Cue: Helen Thomas’s article)

  23. I’d suggest she turn the tables on the Obama comments to demonstrate that his comments called people bigots.

    Something like…

    I was really disturbed by the broader racial and cultural implicationsof his remarks.

    “People not like them”

    I don;t want people to vote for me becasue I seem more obviously “like them” than Obama. But I do want them to know that I will not look down on them but fight for them.

    If there is anyone who won;t vote for Obama because he is Black I certainly don;t want their vote on that basis. I’ll still fight for health care for every American, but that’s not how I want to win the fight.

    The media would be stunned and positive and fawning over her “guts” and compassion for a change.

  24. LeeAnn: I agree with you. Lack of credibility is deadly for a candidate. She could turn that around by acknowledging the fact that Swiftboating is all about undermining a candidate’s credibility.

  25. I am having a hard time with RD’s question – anything I would sy to say as a show stopper would probably blow a hole in the floor so perhaps not a good idea.

    But tif the media people are jerks (ha)aI would ask them why they seem so afraid to let the american people get a fair look at their options?

    With Obama, I would ask him hiw he plans to reprodcue the good ecomonic times of the Clinton years if he doesnt actually know they were good? Does he have a different measure of good than the people of PA and Indiana and kentucky do?

  26. i.e . is arugala at affordable prices really a universal goal as univeral health care is?

  27. Before I tell you my plans to fix the US economy I’d like to ask Senator Obama – How will you bring the US out of it’s recession?

  28. The comment about the trustworthiness poll really shows what a number Obama has done on her. I was talking to my dad who said he’d vote for Obama over McCain–this is my diehard Republican dad–and I said “What about Hillary?” He said, “She’s a liar.” I asked him what specifically she had lied about and he got really uncomfortable (he’s 88) so I didn’t push it, but he couldn’t tell me. He’s an educated guy who just did a graduate course in Women, Gender and Sexuality Studies, too! He didn’t even say Bosnia, because he knows that was a memory lapse, which everyone over 50 gets.

    Riverdaughter, glad you liked my line.

  29. That’s supposed to say my dad is 88, not 8 and a smiley face.

  30. In light of recent comments by Obama:

    “Senator’s Obama definition of “meeting without precondition” sounds more and more just like a chat and an afternoon tea. King of ironic, since he has accused me of JUST HAVING TEAS with foreign leaders.”

  31. How about, “Barack’s widespread appeal makes sense. After all, he hasn’t met an issue he can’t be on both sides of.”

  32. I would be using his stance on Labor in all of those states where it is going to be the biggest issue. I read something over at Savage politics and then made a post myself — but the thing that he signed? I’ll give you my post!!!!!!!!! inside here–the post was by a journalist over there who really does the research so it’s true, and awful. I’d also show who he is taking money from!!!!!! like in the ad for NO QUARTER today. Here is that link:



    It surprises me that Labor Unions would be backing him after I read this, because, frankly, the vote he cast on something called the “Class Action Fairness Act of 2005″ is going to strip American workers of their ability to do so many things you would not believe it.

    Hillary Clinton voted against it. When I read that my heart smiled.

    Please read “Follow The Money” from http://www.savagepolitics.com.

    Also, this is perhaps the most profound political blog I have found yet, and I intend to read their discourse on a daily basis along with my newspaper. This is the sort of old fashioned journalism we used to read in the press, and damn have I missed it. It’s unbiased reportage, and non-partisan as well.

    I have excerpted from the blog here, but you will want to read the entire post to grasp it all.


    “On February 10, 2005, Obama voted in favor of the passage of the misnamed Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 which seriously hampers the rights of ordinary citizens to challenge corporations. Senators Biden, Boxer, Byrd, Clinton, Corzine, Durbin, Feingold, Kerry Leah, Reid and 16 other democrats voted against it.

    So did 14 state attorneys general, including Lisa Madigan of Obama’s home state of Illinois. She called it a “corporate giveaway.” The Senate also received a desperate plea from more than 40 civil rights and labor organizations, including the NAACP, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Human Rights Campaign, American Civil Liberties Union, Center for Justice and Democracy, Legal Momentum (formerly NOW Legal Defense Fund) and Alliance for Justice. SOURCE

    They wrote:

    “Under the Act citizens are denied the right to use their own state courts to bring class actions against corporations that violate state wage and hour and state civil rights laws, even where that corporation has hundreds of employees in that state. Moving these state law cases into federal court will delay and likely deny justice for working men and women and victims of discrimination. The federal courts are already overburdened. Additionally, federal courts are less likely to certify classes or provide relief for violations of state law”

    The bill which will seriously impair labor, consumer and civil rights involved five years of pressure from 100 corporations, 475 lobbyists, and tens of millions of corporate dollars to buy influence. It also involved the active participation of the Wall Street firms now funding the Obama campaign. The Civil Justice Reform Group, a business alliance comprising general counsels from Fortune 100 firms, was instrumental in drafting the class action bill, according to Public Citizen which also said in a 2003 report that Mayer-Brown partners and employees gave close to $100,000 [$92,817] to the Obama campaign by December 31, 2007. Mayer-Brown, hired by the US Chamber of Commerce, spent $16 million in 2003 lobbying the government on class action reform”

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