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Katiebird asks “how did we get here?”

Update from GregT from the comments:

The Democratic Party has been the victim of a corporate takeover. It happened gradually at first, then completely in 2008. Instead of taking the direction wanted and needed by the public, the top-down infiltration of the party reached its climax in the spring of 2008 and steered clear of a corrective course. Barack Obama was a candidate not ready for prime time. No experience, no real knowledge of policy issues and no real interest in governing. But he was the quintessential yes man and Wall Street knew he would go easy on them. So the Street identified him as their preferred candidate . They used their money and their expertise in marketing to sell him to the voters. They probably got crossover help from the GOP that cycle. The Street knew Obama had potential as a ” pitch guy ” and so they played that up. Hillary Clinton was in the way, so she was vanquished to make room for the Great Savior. And even then,despite all that was done for him, he needed help to win the D primary and he needed the fall of Lehman to secure the presidency.

Those who voted for him in 08 have been used. Rather than admit it, too many have continued to support him long past the expiration date. The debate just proved it. He brought a knife to a gunfight because a knife is all he has. He wouldn’t be in his current job if he knew how to wield a gun.

That’s what happened.

And here is Quixote’s take from a different thread:

Dump your best candidate: get someone second rate. Deal with downstream consequences forever.

It reminds me of Krugman’s point that the reason the USA keeps veering away from single payer health care, starting in the late 1940s, is that there are too many white people who can’t stand the thought of black people getting some benefit from the program. Racism is the reason the country has this health care boat anchor around its economy, dragging the whole country down.

Well, in 2008 we had one more instance of too many people who couldn’t stand the thought of listening to a woman. The fact that she was the best person for the job didn’t enter into it. Sexism has always been a supertanker boat anchor dragging the country down, but 2008 was a critical time to go and necklace ourselves with it.

*************************************

No, she is not referencing Talking Heads.

She’s asking how it could be that in 2008 we were desperate to elect a Democrat to roll back the conservative excesses of the Bush years and what we ended up with is a plan endorsed by BOTH candidates to screw anyone under the age of 60 out of their PRE-PAID Social Security and Medicare funds.  I think we can see from Wednesday night’s debate why it is that Obama has been so ineffective as president.  Maybe what we saw is the way he always is in negotiations with his opposition.  Scary thought, eh?  Now, he is a national joke after Wednesday’s performance.  Oh, he’ll look better next time but we can’t unsee what we’ve seen.  If he’s like this with the insurance industry, and Wall Street and the Tea Party conservatives, we are all well and truly fucked.

Basically, in 2008 we had a choice between rehab and co-dependency when it came to the financiers, who knew the crash was coming.  And the financiers chose the enabler and funded him.  It wouldn’t have worked except there is a peculiar tendency of Americans that the financiers and Obama’s campaign milked for all it was worth.  It worked.

How did they do it?  Here is the video that shows a big reason why we’re here.  Don’t misread this video.  It’s not a celebration or glorification of anyone.  It is a condemnation of the way Americans, and specifically a certain segment of Democrats, took leave of their senses and brought us to this point.  This kind of treatment went beyond anything Al Gore or John Kerry ever faced and should never happen to any candidate ever again.:

The choice was between the person who kept on going after the media and opposition told her to ditch all of her help and quit vs the guy who had a LOT of assistance from the media, the party and Wall Street and who was lifted and carried across the finish line.

We underestimated one candidate and overestimated the other.  And That, ladies and gentlemen, is why we are here.

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  1. Yes. My mistake was in thinking the Obama campaign existed in an isolated Frenzy. I was blind to the fact that was endemic to the entire party.

  2. By all rights, if her own party had supported her the way the primary voters wanted them to, she would be president right now. She’d hold her own against Romney in the debates for sure. Obama would be VP (and damn lucky to be VP because he’s bloody useless). He’d probably get his ass kicked against Ryan in the debate, but … meh … VP is just eye candy, right, Joe?

    She’s never going to run again. That hope died in 2008, and I hate BO for that.

    This election I’m holding my nose and voting for Romney simply because Obama scares the hell out of me. He’s been coddled his whole life, has a hugely overblown opinion of himself … I could rant on all day. He wasn’t qualified in ’08 and has proven himself even worse than I feared. Sorry that SS is fucked, Katie. :( I’m in my 40s and have accepted that there won’t be anything left by the time I retire. My husband and I are originally from the UK and have duel citizenship, so that’s our retirement plan if it all goes to hell. I think we’re all on our own.

    • I hate the party for letting us be screwed this way. It didn’t have to be Hillary in 2008. All I wanted was a Democrat.

      • That video still makes me cry. I don’t think I’ll ever get over 2008.

      • Democrat is as Democrat does. You can’t tell by the ballot line. I believe most pols choose a party affiliation by what gets them where they want to go. I mean, do you think Emanuel is a Democrat?

        • What if the answer is “yes”? What if Emmanuel is the very figure of a modern so-called “Democrat”?

          I myself think Emmanuel IS a Democrat. He IS what the Democrats ARE today, at least at the national level. There are legacy Democrats who are different. This is their last chance to leave the Democratic Party en masse and create a legitimate political party of their very own.
          It would contain people like Tom Harkin, Peter DeFazio, Marcy Kaptur, John Dingell,
          elderly spiritual advisers like Ernest “Fritz” Hollings, etc. It should be ready to welcome Hillary Clinton if she wants to join it. But joining it would mean accepting its platform ( if it could be bothered to invent one).

          But the legacy New Deal-y Democrats still remaining in the Party won’t do any such thing. They will stay “brand-name loyal” to the Democratic Party long enough for it to take them all down with it.

          • What if the answer is “No”? That Emanuel is a main chance opportunist who saw the Democratic party and the Daley machine as a sky’s the limit opportunity for a fixer of his talents and ambitions? Democrat isn’t a political affiliation for Rahm, it’s his Chicago milieu main chance. Done right well for himself, he has.

        • Yes, he’s a Chicago version. Equal-opportunity corruption in Illinois. The party that is not in power probably has a governor in jail.

          The Republicans in the New South all used to be Democrats/Dixiecrats…It was a one-party system until Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, signaling that Reconstruction was finally over. Mass exodus to the Repubs.

      • Yeah. A Democrat. An FDR style DEM which is what the coastal tail end boomers sort of are, sort of? What is so incredible is that we didn’t get a DEM. It’s like we knew? Dunno. It’s worse now. And it’s sad, too. Because there is a part of us that is “cringing” watching. But, the video. We couldn’t take watching what happened. It was so bad, so humiliating to her, oh god — cringe wasn’t the word we collectively felt. Now, ? After 30 years, I really am leaving the Dems. I didn’t do it totally in 08, but after this ballot I will go Indy like you did. Over for me. The ballot? It’s really hard to look at it RD. As hard as 2008. Maybe harder. Hugs.

    • SS isn’t fucked until its fucked. I have no clear idea what might be fruitful pressure points, but it would be worthwhile for all different people to try all different pressure points to see if any such point inflicts such torturous pain (” the equivalent of organ failure”) on the political establishment until it backs away from the Grand Catfood Bargain. There is too much money and too much survival at stake to just accept that we are fucked ahead of time.

      • That’s correct. We know what we’re up against. We know Obama doesn’t respect the left and will sell us out first chance he gets. But we know something else: he responds to pressure. We should prepare now to contest the Grand bargain. There is absolutely no reason SS has to be included in this and we need to let him know that. Forcefully.

        As you said, it ain’t cut ’till it’s cut.

  3. Thanks, RD. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. The most consequential election in our lifetime was the primary in ’08.

    • Actually, it was.

      • Yep. It was, because the backlash? Is what is going to be so frightening. Everything we ever voted in. Every value. All the DEM things thrown away because they didn’t need us. It will probably take women back to the suffragette era or worse. What I cannot fathom, cannot fathom is why Hillary didn’t get the back up from WOMEN. That is the hardest to take. Also on FB? No one will speak to me now and I have had a few try and dress me down, but you know what RD? I silenced them with DEM FACTS. They don’t bother trying. I fb’d the Mitt one and was told “shame on you” really? I have a good mind to run the vid you have here. You played it many times before. Just so people can know. How we felt about her.

    • Indeed.

  4. Aside from everything else, that debate showed how truly weak Obama is. He does not know how to fight. He does not want to fight. He’s afraid to fight. He’ll say “uncle” before his “opponent” even lays a glove on him, whether it’s Geithner or Romney. (We all remember how he said “ditto” to whatever Hillary said in their debates.) Of course, we know full well he has no principles, but that debate revealed that he is a total wishy-washy weakling. That’s why the media is reeling.

    • It showed just how hard it is to fight against someone when you’re both on the same side. The ONLY way to it is to lie about what the other guy is saying. And Obama is pretty good at deception (that’s how the WORM – What Obama Really Means thing came from) but not so great at outright lies.

      • I have never heard of the “WORM” until this comment. It shows how
        very news-media deprived I really am and have been for the last quite-a-few years. Especially after I let cable lapse because I got tired of the steady degradation of service and offerings. If/when I get my own computer system at home, then I will be more computer hookupped than what time-grabs here at work allows for.

  5. RD: thank you for the compilation of videos -though revolting, necessary to remind us how misogynist the media and talking heads are.
    Now that the “Real” Blahback Boobama showed up at the debate, I would like to get hold of the debate video between Hillary and Obama in the 2008 primaries. That debate took place in Austin and it was sponsor by the University of Texas.
    I watched the debate and it was clear that the “BO” didn’t have anything to offer since he just kept repeating and affirming whatever Hillary said.
    Since you are so savvy on getting videos, do you know how we can get a video of that debate?
    It’ll show not only that Hillary was-is a more competent and qualified person, but that the 2012 Obama is not any different than the 2008.

    • The definitive debate between Obama and Clinton, IMHO, was in Pennsylvania. She beat him so badly that he went to North carolina the next day and did that “dirt of my shoulder” thing in front of a friendly and enthusiastic crowd. Oh and he flipped her the bird too. He made it look like he was scratching his nose but no one in the audience was fooled. No one in the media called him on it.
      But for sure, she scorched his ass badly in that debate. No doubt about it. He looked like an amateur.

  6. The Democratic Party has been the victim of a corporate takeover. It happened gradually at first, then completely in 2008. Instead of taking the direction wanted and needed by the public, the top-down infiltration of the party reached its climax in the spring of 2008 and steered clear of a corrective course. Barack Obama was a candidate not ready for prime time. No experience, no real knowledge of policy issues and no real interest in governing. But he was the quintessential yes man and Wall Street knew he would go easy on them. So the Street identified him as their preferred candidate . They used their money and their expertise in marketing to sell him to the voters. They probably got crossover help from the GOP that cycle. The Street knew Obama had potential as a ” pitch guy ” and so they played that up. Hillary Clinton was in the way, so she was vanquished to make room for the Great Savior. And even then,despite all that was done for him, he needed help to win the D primary and he needed the fall of Lehman to secure the presidency.

    Those who voted for him in 08 have been used. Rather than admit it, too many have continued to support him long past the expiration date. The debate just proved it. He brought a knife to a gunfight because a knife is all he has. He wouldn’t be in his current job if he knew how to wield a gun.

    • THANK you. You have summed it up so even the dullest Obot can understand. I’m adding this comment to the post.

      • Thanks. It really sucks to be used, but it’s better to admit it.

        • It’s Ok. It could have happened to anyone. We all have our buttons. It’s just that Democrats weren’t always aware of theirs.
          For a brief time, I was sucked in by DailyKos. I even went to the YearlyKos events. I woke up in Chicago 2007. Something was definitely off. So, even the most stubborn, ornery, non-joiners can get rolled. It happens.
          We just have to be on our guard.
          We’ll try to be nice to the ones who are just coming around. This might be hard for some of them.

      • Yeah, GT kinda said it all. The Malefactors Of Great Wealth now control both parties, and can choose between them as they find it to be convenient.

        Despite Obama’s debate debacle, I wonder if a preponderance of the MOGW might not still prefer Obama, who has been very good to them, despite a few token scoldings.

        After all, Obama is a servant of the MOGW, hence entirely beholden to them for his future of wealth. Romney, OTOH, is not a servant but a full member of the MOGW, and so might be harder to control.

        Plus, some of the smarter Malefactors may have taken a good look at the fanatical rank and file of the GOP, and may be remembering how their German counterparts in the early 1930s thought they could control that white-trash ranter with the goofy mustache and his followers in their silly brown shirts–and how that didn’t work out so well for the old German MOGWs.

    • I never hated Hill or Bill, but for years I read leftist magazines such as The Nation, which I will call the “Elite Left” for lack of a better term. From those mags, I got the impression that the Clintons were too conservative for me. Again, I didn’t hate either of them, but I thought they compromised too readily with the Malefactors Of Great Wealth. Hence, while I voted for Bill in 1992, I cast a protest vote for Ralph Nader in 1996 (NOT 2000, mind you).

      I finally started to see through the Elite Left jihad against the Clintons when I realized the Malefactors Of Great Wealth were making Herculean efforts to anoint Obama as the Democratic nominee. If HRC really were the reliable corporate tool that the Elite Left said she was, then wouldn’t the MOGW have been greasing her path to the nomination?

  7. I don’t think Obama has been ineffective-he was hired to prevent a new New Deal, and he has done that. Mission Accomplished.

  8. Got my absentee ballot in the mail, yesterday.
    I can’t wait to fill in the top spot for Jill Stein.

  9. Who said they wanted to be at dinner by 6 p.m., and that this was where he and Michelle were at in their lives, spending time with their family…

    I guess Nancy Pelosi isn’t getting her gavel back…

    • Lord, I hope not.

      • I mentioned it because there was a hash tag to give her her gavel back, which I think is wrong, considering the work she did and her silence.

      • Lordy Lord, I hope not too. Nancy ” The Speaker” Pelosi indeed.
        (“Wise Guys” all have that “nickname” in the middle of their name, doncha know. I think of Nancy “The Speaker” Pelosi as a “Woman of Respect”. I believe that’s another term for “Wise Guy”).

        Nancy Pelosi’s “Impeachment is off the table” will go down in history as her “Ford pardons Nixon” moment. I made some Pelosibots over at Hullabaloo very mad with stuff like that, especially Commander Badgebunny Taserlove.

      • Nancy P was certainly instrumental in keeping the Hillary contingent down at the convention. She wanted her “gift from God” Obama to soar unchallenged. Didn’t you even have a hint, Ms. P when he spoke between the faux Greek columns. What sort of man would consent to such pomposity? No the real deal.

  10. sorry I posted the wrong video this is the one i wanted to post. :)

  11. A commenter on Driftglass made the perfect remark about Obama’s poor performance in the debate:

    “We needed Kirk; we got Spock.” :twisted:

  12. About SS and the Senate and the Grand Bargain . . . I read recently that 28 Senators supposedly signed a later saying that they would never ever vote for any changes to SS. Now, that’s not as strong as saying that they would use all their Senatorial weapons to oPPOSE any such changes. But it is maybe something.

    Who are those Senators? We could call them the SS Democrats. Who are the Democrats who support the Grand Bargain the way Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois has recently said he does? We could call them the Catfood Democrats.

    If Joshua Mica Marshall cared about SS ( which he does not, by the way), he would do what he did during the BushCo drive to privatise SS.
    He used all the power and reach of his Talking Points Memo to name and shame the “weak on SS” DemSenators into rejecting the BushCo Plan. He named and thanked the “strong on SS” DemSenators to maintain their resolve as a corps of defense to be built upon and added to. Since he will absolutely do no such thing this time around,
    is it possible for various commenters here to do their little parts of such an effort here? An effort to force all the DemSenate candidates to say whether they support SS with Zero Changes or whether they support the Grand Bargain?

  13. By the way . . . I have a theory that Digby does not care about SS either. Neither does Spoonie-poo Atkins. How can we test that theory?

    If Hullabaloo runs the sort of Catfood Democrat Watch before this election that Marshall ran on TPM during the BushCo Plan drive, then my theory will be proven completely wrong.

    • I notice Digby and Spoony don’t seem to be rushing to restore comments to their blog.

      Too bad. I would have enjoyed watching Cmdr. Badgebunny trying to spin Obama’s debate debacle. :twisted:

      • And to think, that used to be one of my very first blogs of the day every workday.

        • I can’t decide which will make me happier:

          (1) Watching the Hullabalosers melt down if the Malefactors Of Great Wealth choose Romney as Prez, or…

          (2) Watching the Rabbit, er, Crawdad Holers melt down if the MOGW choose 4 more years of Obama.

          Either way, I’ll be entertained. :twisted:

          Please note whom I said would do the choosing. I entertain no delusions that We The Peasants will actually choose the next Prez, between MOGW control of the media AND of the dishonest voting computers AND of voter-suppressing dirty tricks (the latter being a specialty of the MOGW’s GOP branch). :evil:

          • Although unless I’m mistaken, dirty tricks used to be more of a Dem specialty. Unless I’m mistaken again, the GOP became the less honest party about the same time it became the party of the White South, and the Dems were the less honest party when they were the party of the White South.

            Really, y’all should have just let us go when you had the chance. You’d have become a European-style social democracy by now, while we’d be a cotton republic (instead of a banana republic).

          • I would have thought the modern form of dirty tricks were a Nixonian legacy ever since his deceit-based campaign for Congressman in California. He brought them into the Rparty at large and there was nothing uniquely Southern about them I don’t think. They worked so well that they became standard Rparty procedure. Or am I wrong?

          • I don’t think Lincoln planned on getting assassinated. If he had lived, wouldn’t he (would he) have had a plan for breaking up the Plantation Class and opening all their land up to homesteading by poor white and poor black Southerners? I think it was President Andrew Johnson who worked his hardest to keep the Plantationocracy in existence so it could regain power in due time. Or am I wrong about that too?

  14. I can tell RD all about LEDIGBY by looking at one pic since umm, well here it is full of her type. RD called it a long time ago. They wear crocs. They shop in Santa Monica and they feel very superior in that little strip of coast. They shop at the Farmer’s markets, drink StarB’s, usually drive volvos? No make up ever. Baggy clothes. Prolly 62 given looks. Group in BBoom who is Hillary’s gen. Can’t stand Hillary because jealous. Hangs out in places like Los Feliz, is okay with having the downtown razed for luxe condos. Possibly lives in one of the very cute rent controlled places in city or? Got a house in 80′s. She is in the tony part of the city? Near all the arts of Venice. Same type is here RD — which is why I couldn’t get a lawn sign for Hillary. They have their little circles, fringey with film peeps. It sounds bitchy i know. I know who they are?

  15. ps: that story at my blog? The character of Dix and Bichette? That’s them. It’s an LA story.
    That group screamng for the correct Pancetta.

  16. Google Montana Ave. Hugs RD & Co. You can tell I’m in quite the little mood, no? Can’t help it.

  17. I went to youtube to comment on the video and while there linked to the Bill Clinton nomination speech. Who in the hell was Bill nominating?

  18. Well, here will be two I wish I had never voted in. You’ll see. When The Chronicle? Ummm… http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Feinstein-Pelosi-among-richest-in-Congress-3924070.php#photo-3551618

  19. Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk Well you can contrast that with what Romeny said in the one that just came out.

  20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA — this one, he is correct. Those voters are dependent on the system. It’s not the same group exactly that O reffed, but close. These are identical, when you think about it. And these voters who believe in only the Dems to save them? Read that SFGate piece above. He was ushered in by Pelosi. He got all the perks because of her. But CA? There will be a big surprise, I think. The worm is going to turn. I think so. Hugs RD & Co.

  21. R.D. let me apologize for posting the Romney video. I was trying to post the one of Obama dusting the dirt off. Thanks. :)

  22. There may not be 18 million of us left.But there are a lot.Some went to Obama some voted MCCain some stayed home.
    However there is some like me that has been bitterly knitting the last four years.Waiting for now when we can vote out this fraud that the DNC foisted on us.
    Never forget never forgive. :evil:

  23. RD:
    Check out Uppity Woman, she posted a video of Hillary’s best and most amazing debate speeches.

  24. Did you see Bob Herbert? One of Obama’s biggest fans was absolutely brutal to him. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-herbert/no-more-excuses_b_1941156.html

  25. The misogynism in that video made my heart hurt.

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