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Post debate thread: “The Horror, The Horror”

Um, I don’t know what to say. I feel for you loyalists.

I guess you could comfort yourself with the idea that this is part of his 11 dimensional chess strategy.

That was cruel. I’m sorry.

If it’s any consolation, I’m not happy either. I keep hoping but it’s not looking good.

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  1. We all know what this means: time to pull out Bill Clinton.

  2. Wonder how the fan boys will spin this one?

  3. With Romney killing himself the last couple of months and Obama getting major help from Bill Clinton and his own wife, I really thought that, even for Obama, this pooch was unscrewable. And then he screwed the pooch tonight, against a guy who has difficulty resembling a human being. Wow. Just wow. I’d gloat more, but him giving an opening to a guy that’s worse than he is kinda kills the buzz. It’s just unbelievable; his supporters and his campaign have been carrying him for months without him having to do much except wave and read canned speeches, and all he had to do was give 90 solid minutes tonight. And he couldn’t even do that. What. A. Loser.

    • He looked as if he didn’t want to be there. or as RD so eloquently said on another thread….”He’s not the cock of the walk anymore!”

    • Like I said, it could be part of a strategy to have a stronger finish. Swing voters always remember the last thing they saw before they vote.
      Did he throw it?

      • I’d think if he threw it, he would have done it arrogantly. I-could-be-winning-this-but–honestly–robots-with-good-hair-just-don’t-rate-the-effort.

        I gather that’s not what he did. He just plain looked worse than the mannequin?

        If that’s the case, it really brings home one more time just how thoroughly 2008 was fixed for him.

        • Jeff Jarvis tweeted something like, ‘didn’t he use to be more articulate?’
          It’s harsh when the infatuation wears off.

    • By now we should be able to understand that Obie has no command of the material whatsoever. He is an empty suit. Always has been. Always will be.

      4 years of Romney and then we get another shot at running a real Democrat.

      Romney has a track record as a moderate. Things could be worse.

  4. I’m watching the livestream from Democracy Now! which is running questions to Jill and Rocky after each exchange between Obama and Romney. I find I cannot wait for those other two to shut up so I can hear Jill and rocky talk about the real issues important to me and mine.

    I did not hear the majors discuss single payer, spying on Americans, indefinite detenton of Americans, war, empire building, transaction tax, and on and on.

    • I didn’t listen. Nerves are too delicate and all that. But judging by your list of what they didn’t talk about, the only question left is: what did they talk about?

      • Romney assured us that no one over the age of 60 need worry about having their retirement age raised or benefits cut.

        • That assurance will come back to bite him in the hindquarters. All it did was raise alarms for those under 60.

          That said, this was a very bad night for Obama. He let Romney repeatedly hammer home the “big government” meme — without making the sensible response that government has shrunk. Romney lied, and Obama let him get away with it.

          Romney came across as the savior of Medicare. Obama never rebutted the fib about cutting $700 billion from Medicare. Obama could have forced Romney to repudiate the Ryan plan, which would have discouraged the GOP base.

          There were a dozen opportunities for Obama to say “You never know which Romney is going to show up” — but he refused to play the Mitt-as-Janus card. If he had done so, he would have had instant credibility even with Republicans.

          Bill Clinton saved Obama’s ass during the convention. Now it’s all up to Obama, and he’s not up to the task.

          • I’m sure it will come back to bite him. I was in such shock after he said it that I missed the last couple of minutes? Did Obama assure us that it’s only the under 55 crowd that should buy stock in cat food?

      • Shorter debate:

        Romney: You’ve ruined the country.

        Obama: But w/ same policies you like.

        David Swanson via Corrente

  5. This is for any Democrat who existed before the Bush years (like myself). Simpson-Bowles puts SS on the block, period-end-of-story. It was absolutely useless for anything, it remains so.

  6. Jimmy Carter anyone? Without The One’s teleprompter, who knows what might happen?

  7. JOSH MARSHALL @ TPM
    “Lemme know when folks see any real fact checks of Romney’s claims in the debate. That’s where this goes.”

    So what was the President doing there for all those 90min, besided doing his crossword puzzle?

    • Josh does not seem to understand the purpose of televised debates.

      • That’s pure Dukakis-style crap. I remember reading an account of the 1988 campaign where Dukakis’s campaign was getting all kinds of shit on Mass. not requiring the Pledge of Allegiance. They needed a political response to that, and his campaign manager’s brilliant strategy was to give a press conference where they’d read the Supreme Court opinions supporting their position! I’m a lawyer, and I can tell you that facts and law are important but that you need a freaking ARGUMENT to frame them. If you don’t make one and just assume that whoever’s judging your contest with the other side will magically realize that the facts and law are on your side, you have handed the initiative to the other side. Which they just did tonight, and touching faith in the all-conquering and redemptive power of The Facts won’t change that.

      • Um, if that wasn’t clear, my snarky ass response below is to Josh, not you. Sorry :)

    • ROMNEY: But don’t forget, you put $90 billion, like 50 years’ worth of breaks, into — into solar and wind, to Solyndra and Fisker and Tester and Ener1. I mean, I had a friend who said you don’t just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers, all right? So this — this is not — this is not the kind of policy you want to have if you want to get America energy secure.

      OBAMA: Yeah, what’s a 5-letter word starting with E that has to do with Arts & Crafts?

  8. Holy cow, the reviews on Obama’s performance from the Democrats is scathing. It’s not just a bad night, it’s a fiasco.

    • It’s probably just a signal for how quickly he’ll bounce back.

      Unless it’s a preview of disgust over the Libyan story. CNN spent a LONG time on that today.

  9. I don’t care much about the debates since they won’t let my candidate choices on the stage, but I guess Romney won because he was the most aggressive. I thought he was incredibly rude. I mean the man simply cannot stand to let anyone else have the last word on any issue. If he went first he got the last word. If Obama went first Romney still got in the last word.

    He just won’t shut up. He reminds me of my ex-husband who was another overbearing jerk. I didn’t think they allowed that kind of butting in every time the other person tried to speak in debates. But I haven’t done much debating. To me Obama gets points for being respectful. When you listen to them there isn’t much difference between them.

    I do think Obama shoud have said 47% at least a dozen times, but he looked bored, and we know how that worked for Gore. At least he didn’t sigh.

    • I think the problem is that the country is looking for an alpha male, regardless of party or gender. Obama came off like a supplicating beta male, going so far as to turn to the moderator for support with his ingratiating comments.
      In this case, respectful earns him no points. It was a disaster. Oh sure, the partisans are trying to spin it with fact checking but that’s not what counts this year. Strength, dominance and determination counts, even if it looks rude.

    • Uh…. Romney had less time than Obama did.

      Just to be clear.

    • how did that work for Gore? He won the popular vote including in Florida and he won the election. Clearly the majority preferred him over bush. Had Nader stayed out of Florida as he promised his big donors, we wouldn’t be in the spot we are in now.
      Back to Obama…. he has always been a lousy debater. His followers just have on rose colored glasses.

      • Yep. He can’t debate. Cuz he has no clue what he is talking about.

        Hell, he can’t even speechify without some pissant punk writing his teleprompter feed.

        • It’s also because he doesn’t really believe in what he’s supposed to say. Obama is simply. not. liberal.

  10. riverdaughter…

    once again, as he has done over and over since his inauguration and the great betrayal began, obama brought a nail file to the gun fight. we have president pipsqueak vs the pathological liar from outer space!! i wonder, can this country survive the election of either of these two mutts? jeeze louise!!

    • I’ll add one other thing. Obama let Mitt Romney paint the President as overly partisan, inflexible and obstructionist. Talk about historical revisionism! That’s like saying Poland invaded Germany.

  11. OBAMA: So what did we do? We stepped in and had the toughest reforms on Wall Street since the 1930s. We said you’ve got — banks, you’ve got to raise your capital requirements. You can’t engage in some of this risky behavior that is putting Main Street at risk. We’ve going to make sure that you’ve got to have a living will so — so we can know how you’re going to wind things down if you make a bad bet so we don’t have other taxpayer bailouts.

    Do you hear the china plates rattling a bit before the quake here? Just a thought (however disquieting).

    • Toughest reforms? What a bullshit lie. Those reforms are a velvet nerfhammer with a foam rubber handle.

  12. All Romney needed to do tonight was show he’s still in the game. He did that. Now if Wall Street wants to trade Romney for Obama, all they need to do is let the market take a little dump over the next few weeks. That should be easy because the market is overextended.

    I bet Wall Street won’t do that because they like Obama just fine.

  13. Hey Liberals, Get The Panic Out Of Your System

    “One of the things I hate the most about liberals is their passion. Passion makes the lows often lower than they need to be and a sense of angst overwhelms common sense and reason.”

    sincerely,
    that guy doing a crossword at the debate tonight
    (because he had to be there and Clinton couldn’t do it for him)

  14. How to create bullshit sans the bull’s excretory tract

    “More broadly, I’d argue that the debate structurally favored Romney. As James Fallows has persuasively argued, Romney is an impressive performer when he can anticipate questions: He is impeccably prepared and executes well. He only struggles when the debates take a surprising turn. But with Obama up several points in the national polls, and nearly uncatchable in swing states like Ohio, there was no incentive for Obama to get creative. That meant Romney was very likely to have a good night.”

    The last one and I’ll leave it at that, good night.

  15. Hillary must have watched the debate, and must have been thinking: “That’s the guy that shows up to every meeting. I’m glad the American people are seeing what I see all the time.”

    The economy is the way it is because the man that showed up to the debate is the one that shows up to work everyday. Can anyone expect a better economy?

    • Yep. I am sure she was shaking her head.

      Good Gawd. How much of this mumbling ineptness can any capable woman endure?

  16. Here’s the thing about Hillary: she took the job Obama offered.

    • You know, I don’t think so. I think she took the job she asked for. There was a brief meeting at DiFi’s house, do you remember that? I think she made it clear she didn’t want VP but that she might consider SOS or some other prominent position. Of course, there’s no way to prove this but I think she is telling the truth when she says that Obama never offered her the VP slot. And the reason he didn’t offer it was because she preemptively told him she didn’t want it. The initial plan was HRC as VP and Joe Biden as SOS. They just got switched.

    • Of course she did, because she thought she could be of service and do the job well. That’s Hillary, it is not about her ego. For her it is always about how she can serve in a party and a nation she believes in.

      • More likely, it afforded her the face time with world leaders with whom the Clintons already had relationships and at least she could reassure them that this was a One and Done term for the coward. At Finestein’s the Senate Intel experts probably had him trembling at the reality of what he’d just bought into and they soothed his nerves by promising to “help” the same way Karl Rove & the Republicans did the “Help America Vote” thing.

        • Remember how O left the Campaign Plane, all the reporters and Gibbs flatfooted on the runway with no warning he wasn’t on the plane til they were in the air?

    • Who are you, CB? When did you start posting here? I’m not sure what your comment means. Didn’t the book Game Change (or whatever its title) indicate O hounded Hillary to take the job. Hillary is one to step up to the plate to serve her country. I’m glad she’s out of there at the end of his first term. It is so difficult to work for a boss who is one’s inferior.

      Obots have attacked her job performance, and seem shocked that she isn’t the one making the top decisions. That is the job of the President. Hillary does have a smooth-running State Department.

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