Well, that didn’t take long:
Whether or not he deserves any credit – and he certainly deserves a lot of credit for some bad things – what I think has been lost is the fact that the latter half of the Clinton years were good times. Good times in a way that that hadn’t been experienced since the late 60s or so. I don’t just mean in terms of purely quantifiable things – though the numbers there are good – it was also the case that there was a real sense of optimism. America, we’re back, bitches! It wasn’t all a horror story in the previous couple decades, but “morning in America” ads aside, there was a feeling of stagnation.
Dems have plenty of reasons to be mad at Bill Clinton, but for those wondering why there’s fondness – it’s because the economy boomed and he ultimately kicked their asses.
I was a Democrat and ran for the Board of Ed on a Democratic ticket back when Clinton was president and I don’t have any reason to be angry. Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard all the reasons why people in Atrios’ clique think I *should* be mad at him and it’s not like I’m politically naive and don’t know what they’re talking about. Perhaps they overestimate their own self-importance and authority. Or it just might be the case that a good chunk of the Democratic base (more than half), analyzed the data with their own set of criteria and expectations, which are no less legitimate, and came to a different conclusion. And you’re never going to be able to convince us otherwise no matter how hard you try. We only end up resenting the people who seem determined to rewrite history to reflect their own cultural biases. They just frustrate our will, leave the Democratic party in a permanently broken state and make it easier for Republicans to win. I’m pretty sure that’s not what they want but they keep undermining their party with their futile attempts to make us change our minds. It’s like they can’t evolve until they’ve stamped out every bit of good feelings we have for the Clintons. They seem to be on a mission to delegitimize our perceptions. I don’t think this is a good use of their time or effort. It’s like an evangelical fundy spending 40 years trying to convert a non-believer. At some point, it becomes disrespectful and we have to disassociate ourselves from the zealots.
Except for the Gramm- Bliley bill, which passed thru Congress with a veto proof majority, I just don’t see Clinton’s terms as a string of bad things. Atrios’ little ditty sounds a lot like Reg and the People’s Front of Judea complaining about the Romans.
Whatever you think of Clinton, Obama can’t hold a candle to him. Not even close. I can’t see either Clinton compromising our civil liberties or turning their backs on the unemployed or soon to be homeless for even one year compared to Obama’s four. Clinton is a true politician and did Obama a huge favor last night that he didn’t deserve. Some of us don’t even recognize the Obama that Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and Bill Clinton talked about last night. THAT Barack Obama is a fictional character and we all know it.
I hope Clinton got something out of it, but don’t hold your breath for Hillary in 2016. We were cheated out of that possibility by the people in Atrios’ tribe of Democrats. And he would have to be politically naive to believe that the powers that installed Obama over our objections will ever let someone like her run unless they are defeated and scrubbed from the party. It is my mission to deprive those people of power and that’s why I am voting third party this year.
But in any case, the proof is in the data, which Atrios readily admits to, as much as he doesn’t like it. People like Bill Clinton because he was a good president, a masterful politician and their lives improved while he was in office.
Alas, beautiful theories destroyed by ugly facts. Or, in this case, ugly theories destroyed by beautiful facts.