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Insanity, Anders Breivik and the Tea Party Republicans

Anders Breivik is insane, says his public defender in Norway.  He says the guy has a cold personality and is convinced that he’s contributing to some global movement.  Is sounds like nothing was going to stop him from killing 76 people in Norway because it had to be done.  His worldview demanded it.

The Tea Party Freshman are insane, says Senator John McCain.  He says they’re “bizarro” for thinking they can bring down Obama by triggering an economic catastrophe  by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.  But their worldview demands it and they will not be deterred.

At the risk of offending self-described *right-wing Christians* (not average run-of-the-mill churchgoers and christians), this bizarro view of the world is not uncommon among their cohort.  Right wing Christians are getting all in a huff because reporters are finally starting to get a clue about how their worldview may manifest itself in action.   No, Christians would *never* engage in violence, they say.  But if you accept their denials, you may be missing the part of their argument that is the most important to figuring out how dangerous they really are.  Here’s a snippet from a post by RedState writer Eric Erickson that contains the money quote:

Secular leftists and Islamists are both of this world. Christians may be traveling through, but we are most definitely not of the world. In fact, Christ commands us to throw off our ties to this world. But the things of this world love this world and hate the things of God. That’s why secular leftism can embrace both activist homosexuals and activist muslims when the latter would, when true to their faith, be happy to kill the former.

All of them can pile on and condemn the Christian because the Christian is just passing through, a stranger in a strange land.

Over the next week, assuming the budget fight in Washington doesn’t over shadow it, you can expect lots more gloating that the guy in Norway described himself as a conservative Christian. Never mind that a conservative Christian would not do what the guy did. The left, however, will not be persuaded otherwise. They are of this world and this world is all that matters until the last day.

John McCain, take note, they will not respond to reason because they are not of this world.  It’s not that they are out of this world.  They just have no interest in what happens to it at this point.  If there is evil in the world, it will be purged.  But it can’t be purged unless there is a Great Tribulation or an Apocalypse.  They see “signs of the end times”.  The world is chaotic, cause and effect are disconnected and everything is violent, uncertain and random.  But these signs say that it will all be over soon.  Earthquakes, famine, disease, a New World Order, the sign of the Beast.  Nevermind that 30 years ago, this could have been applied to the Soviet Union, a different famine in Africa and AIDS.  Now, it is the threat of jihad from Muslims that makes them anxious.  Not extremist Muslims, ALL Muslims.  Forget that this is crazy and that the vast majority of American Muslims are going to ignore the command to go on jihad and murder all of us in our beds.  They don’t have the time or inclination.  They have full time jobs and kids to cart around to soccer games and bake sales and mortgages and stuff like that.  Who has time for slaying hundreds of millions of infidels?

But this imbalance of a tiny minority of Muslims getting the initiative and capacity to slay the rest of us does not occur to the self described “right wing Christian”.

Nor do they worry much about wrecking the global economy by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.  In fact, they may consider themselves to be catalysts in a twisted interpretation of scripture.  If the world becomes bad enough and conditions unliveable, then surely Christ will return. So, they’re only holding out on the debt ceiling for our own good.  Yes, it’s brutal and horrible for the people who have to suffer but it has to be done.

You might wonder why people who consider themselves to be “not of this world” would even bother running for office.  Presumably, there isn’t a damn thing they can do about what’s going on anyway and God will sort it all out.  But God is going too slowly for their timetable.  After all, we can’t wait forever for Christ to return.  Some of us might die in the meantime.  So, we might have to push God a little bit with a catastrophe of our own making.  And Barack Obama may give them a good excuse to start agitating for a world changing event.  If he’s a secret Muslim running a *Christian* nation, could there be any clearer sign?

You can’t reason with them, John McCain.  You can’t persuade them, John Boehner.  You can’t plead, beg or cajole.  They will have their Armageddon.  The only thing you might be able to do is force them to obey the oath they swore before God to uphold the Constitution.  But even that might not work because they answer only to God.  If you throw them in jail for violating their oaths, that makes them martyrs.  Maybe the best thing to do would be to expel them from their House or Senate positions.  That’s what I would be going for.  But even though they are completely unhinged when it comes to the debt ceiling, they might be useful in some other capacity for House leadership.  And anyway, only Democrats are forced out.  Never Republicans.  Republicans know they need to keep every one of their votes while Democrats are committed to purging any inconvenient ones on their side.  (And we wonder why they are always so weak.)

So, there you have it.  If some of the Tea Partiers who claim to be right wing Christians are holding out, it might be because they get their marching orders from God, filtered through Glenn Beck or some other ignorant blowhard.  They are going to bring us all down joyfully, putting their faith in God alone, listening only to him and the other people who think just like they do. The only way to avert global economic meltdown in the face of such obstinacy may be to exercise the 14th Amendment option and worry about the fallout afterwards.  The fallout may necessarily include filing procedures against the holdouts for violating their oaths.  I would.  It’s not a partisan thing, it’s a sanity thing.  Government can not function when the people elected to run it see it as an obstacle to their heavenly government.

People will do all kinds of crazy things in the name of God.  I wouldn’t say they’re insane.  They’re quite sane.  They just have a different worldview, reinforced by endtime TV preachers, unethically ambitious political mouthpieces and global media moguls.  This is the world we live in and they are part of it because they participate in the spread of that worldview.  Whether they appreciate it or not, if they take us down, they’re going down with us.  And there will be no Rapture.  If the Tea Party drives us into the greatest Depression we’ve ever known, they may consider a cold prison in Norway a better alternative to what the rest of the world will want to do with them.

Addendum: This is the Congressional Oath of Office:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

    that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion

; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

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18 Responses

  1. Of course, no true Muslim would have participated in the crimes of 9/11. Does Erikson or O’Reilly concede that?
    Terrific post, rd, elegantly reasoned, just don’t expect it to move or enlighten the teaparty crowd.

  2. Excellent post, RD. Those Republicans you describe are rational — they are just starting from different premises than the rest of us.

    “The only way to avert global economic meltdown in the face of such obstinacy may be to exercise the 14th Amendment option and worry about the fallout afterwards. The fallout may necessarily include filing procedures against the holdouts for violating their oaths.”

    Exactly.

    djmm

  3. You’re right, RD – they are of another ilk – the only thing that might persuade them is if the people who put them there let them know they were put there to right this little boat we call America – not destroy it.

    What a bunch of fools!

    • They don’t care about what happens to America. That’s the whole point. Let me clarify: they care about conservative values like prohibitions on homosexuality, abortion and promoting the idea that the US is a Christian nation. But they’d be just as cool with the concept of America getting wiped off the Dave of the earth because all human governments are corrupt and wicked and they put their faith in God only. See how this serves Republicans mist if the time? It’s only when the mean it that it’s not so cool anymore.
      I don’t think Obama should come out if this smelling like a rose because he is quite willing to give the Republicans everything the want in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. But if I were him, I’d quit dicking around and just invoke the 14th amendment and cool down this very volatile situation. Then the House needs to seriously deal with the right wing christian contingent. They’re dangerous.

      • Damn you autocomplete.

      • As Bill Clinton said, invoke the 14th and let the courts complain.

        But isn’t this idea of an instant global meltdown exaggerated? Wouldn’t the GOP nuts have to work hard against a lot of work-arounds to make that happen?

        • I think it would be very bad for the global economy and would have profound and catastrophic effects. Because what such an impasse is telling the world financial markets is that the government is so dysfunctional that it is unable to pay its debts in a reliable manner without incurring political game playing. It’s horribly destructive. It’s like watching the American civil war all over again.
          So, no, I don’t think this is a big nothing. The Republicans are playing with fire.

  4. Odd… for people who are just passing through on this Earth, they seem awfully interested in trying to make their time comfortable for them and a horror for everyone else. Could it be that they have no faith? Are they hedging their bets? Or are they just lying, scum-sucking fecal hypocrites?

    • That is interesting, but I think the TP rank and file are just a mix of pissed off people who have been manipulated into a frenzy…

      …And some of those are the extreme religious zealots who identify themselves as Christian while they advocate policies that take food away from children and the poor.

      The lying, scum-sucking fecal hypocrites are the ones who FUND the TP. They are the ones churning out the crazy emails about the illegals who get free food, medicine and college while Americans struggle to feed their kids. Oh, and they take American jobs for $5/hour, sell drugs to your son and have sex with your daughter…

  5. Uh huh – what she said.

  6. Government can not function when the people elected to run it see it as an obstacle to their heavenly government.

    Amen

  7. Speaking of McCain, and Obamacare apart, how much difffence would it really have made if the GOPster had won in 2008?

    And maybe not even Obamacare apart, given that it was a GOP plan and McC always liked to look all maverick-y.

    Maybe the guy we got was the real McSame?

    Is it just me, or does it seem the GOP is regularly crazier in opposition than when they have the White House in their column?

    Who can forget the US House vs. Bill Clinton?

    • Is it just me, or does it seem the GOP is regularly crazier in opposition than when they have the White House in their column?

      Bush 2 was pretty crazy ( with a Dem congress who could not do enough for him ) so I think the GOP destroy the government crazy train still rolls while they are at 1600 ( like now) but in a different manner.

      We have one party in America . The GOP….we got the ivy league GOP, now at 1600 and the crazy train wing of the GOP…

      Plus I believe the voice the tea critters is hearing is from a source closer than heaven ….it’s from their masters, the lord God Koch brothers .

      they want a Kartina world everywhere , but their green zone compound of course

  8. One very important thing to remember, the Country Club republicans and their insane offspring the Tea Party got where they are today with help from the print and broadcast media.

    If the Founding fathers only knew how much mischief the Fourth Estate would cause the First Amendment would have ended up in a waste paper can.

  9. In the days of the Founders running a newspaper was a blue-collar business.

    Nowadays it’s Murdoch’s business.

    Not quite the same kind of game.

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