Who do we blame for THIS nut?


HuffPoop:

Shawn Christie, Alleged Sarah Palin Stalker, Reportedly Causing New Concern In Alaska

Shawn Christy, a 19-year-old Pennsylvania teenager who has had a restraining order issued against him by the former Alaska governor, is causing anxiety in the Frontier State with reports that he has planned a visit to Wasilla.

TMZ reports:

19-year-old Shawn Christy has told family members he plans to travel to Wasilla in the hopes of removing the restraining order issued against him last year after Sarah and her close friend Kristan Cole proved he sent them threatening emails and letters.

According to TMZ, Cole has mounted a legal effort to ensure that Christy won’t be able to combat the restraining order.

AOL News reported last year on the case:

Judge Colleen Ray issued a 20-day protective order against the 18-year-old McAdoo, Penn., man after Christy sent Palin an e-mail informing her that his plane had landed in Alaska. A hearing on Oct. 13 will decide if a longer-term restraining order is necessary.Palin testified by phone during the inquiry, The Associated Press reported. “Bottom line, he is crazy and could kill me,” Palin said, according to the court transcript.

The Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman reports that Christie claims to have had an affair with Palin, and that he had made reference to a purchase of a weapon and a future visit.

“When someone sends you proof that they’ve purchased weapons. Proof that they know where you live. And said that they are looking into purchasing a one-way plane ticket to Alaska and then calls from a cell phone with a 907 number, it’s over the line and we need protecting,” Kristan Cole said at the time, according to the Frontiersman.

If Sarah Palin is responsible for Jared Loughner, who is to blame for Shawn Christy?

Barack Obama? Andy Sullivan? Who should be apologizing for something they said about Sarah?

Jezebel:

Sarah Palin emailed Glenn Beck to refudiate her possible responsibility for inciting the Tucson shooting. Meanwhile, did you know she has her own stalker, news of which just conveniently resurfaced? Poor, map-surveying Sarah.



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  1. Christy has been stalking Sarah since 2009 and sent her a copy of a receipt for a gun he bought. He also claims he had an affair with Palin.

  2. AOL:

    Shawn claims he turned himself into authorities in Washington for the threatening messages but was never charged. His parents soon became involved when Secret Service agents visited the family at their home and interviewed Shawn on June 18. He still wasn’t charged with a crime but was ordered to undergo a psychological review, according to his father, although Shawn was found to have no problems.

    Shawn said he admitted making threats to McCain, Palin and President Barack Obama. He also admitted to trying to contact Palin through Cole, Palin’s family, her attorney and the Alaska governor’s office. He said he found the numbers by looking them up in online phone directories.

    Shawn also said he called Palin’s office in 2008 because he was a supporter and wanted to know more about her views. Shawn said he intended to apologize to Palin in person at an event in Pennsylvania and at one of her book-signings in New York, but he didn’t confront Palin or her family.

    When explaining how he contacted Cole from a phone with an Alaskan area code, Shawn said he purchased a pay-by-the-minute phone for which he could select the number and area code. He figured someone in Alaska would pick up a phone call from a number with a local area code. He said he called Palin’s mother from the same number in an effort to reach Palin.

    Since he threatened Obama he must be a racist wingnut.

  3. Newser:

    “Bottom line is, he is crazy and could kill me,” Palin testified. “He wants me dead.” The court heard that Christy—who claims to have had a sexual relationship with Palin—sent her a letter saying “he is trying to follow God but has evil in him, and that he is going to sell everything and come to Alaska with his shotgun.” Christy, with his persistent efforts to contact Palin and her associates, has “risen to the top of the dozens and dozens of people” who have threatened Palin over the last couple of years, Palin’s attorney told AP.

    • Taking a page from history, let’s not forget that Hitler blamed the Jewish people for Germany’s economic woes. It wasn’t the economist’s or the politician’s fault that Germany was faltering, it was the Jews who were responsible!

      Rational thought and reason are literally thrown out the window when transferring blame to any one person or group for circumstances which clearly are not their fault. It is also an extremely dangerous game to play in the quest for political gain, especially in the economic and political climate that America is presently in and can only lead us down the road to our own destruction. What’s worse — by our own hand.

      Those who refuse to learn from history, are destined to repeat it.

    • thankx myiq2xu.. just watched the vid…creepy…tod is great..luv em both just for being themselves.. but fuck if someone was stalking me like that i would absolutely feak……and buy a gun…thanks for finding this for us

  4. Great question!

  5. I didn’t know SP had been physically attacked with a tackle. Scary.

  6. And thank you, Ronald Reagan for cutting money for housing the insane in the 80’s. I blame too many guns and too many unstable out there.

  7. More on why we should let our thoughts control our words and not let words control our thoughts, this is a comment from Paul krugman’s post this morning from a reader in Toulouse, France, which knows a thing or two about poisonous political rhetoric during WWII:

    After a moment of profound sadness, and after reading such reflections as this one in reaction to the horror in Arizona, I was reminded of the German Jewish philologist, Victor Klemperer who, after losing his position at the university of Dresden, spent the dark years of WWII analysing the evolution and radicalisation of the German Language. His excellent notebook, LTI (Lingua Tertii Imperii, latin version of Language of the Third Reich) is still very valid. This excerpt comes from a Wikipedia reference:

    How “the language of a clique became the language of a people”

    “No, the most powerful influence was exerted neither by individual speeches nor by articles or flyers, posters or flags; it was not achieved by things which one had to absorb by conscious thought or conscious emotions.
    Instead Nazism permeated the flesh and blood of the people through single words, idioms and sentence structures which were imposed on them in a million repetitions and taken on board mechanically and unconsciously. . . language does not simply write and think for me, it also increasingly dictates my feelings and governs my entire spiritual being the more unquestioningly and unconsciously I abandon myself to it.
    And what happens if the cultivated language is made up of poisonous elements or has been made the bearer of poisons? Words can be like tiny doses of arsenic: they are swallowed unnoticed, appear to have no effect, and then after a little time the toxic reaction

    Regarding current events, make sure that when you defend someone, you are using your own words.

    • Jared Loughner thought the government was trying to control his thoughts with words.

      • I’d say he was on to something but it wasn’t government.

        Here is another quote fro. Klemperer that really disturbs me:

        Only a year after the collapse of the Third Reich a strangely conclusive piece of evidence can be advanced to support the claim that “fanatical”, this key National Socialist term, never really had the sting taken out of it by excessive use. For although scraps of the LTI surface all over the place in contemporary language, “fanatical” has disappeared. From this one can safely conclude that either consciously or subconsciously people remained aware of the real facts of the case all through those twelve years, namely, that a confused state of mind, equally close to sickness and criminality, was for twelve years held to be the greatest virtue

        You are one of those people who resists the confusion. You’ve seen and heard this before. Klemperer says the first thing we need to do to resist oppression is call attention to buzzwords. In fact, from now on, I’m going to make very sure that I never use them. I try to avoid them now but sometimes it is hard to resist using them or creating them.
        Resistance requires us to use our words carefully and question the source of words that creep into our conversations and thought processes, especially when they pop up seemingly in an instant. When you see a word spread very quickly that sounds like a buzzword, be very wary. Find its source and shine light on it.

        • Damn. Klemperer to put on my reading list. Yes, it’s utterly critical (both sources) to look at our discourse and make sure that we aren’t using manufactured talking points. Even better (I’d argue) is to manufacture our own, since that’s a strength that we have.

          Another one to look at is Richard Evans, The Coming of the Third Reich. Conditions aren’t the same (we’re a multi-ethnic empire of continental scope, unlike Germany) but there are plenty of parallels. Also, Goebbels had nothing, nothing at all, on Big Media today.

        • Speaking of buzzwords that do vanishing acts:

          Remember “ideas have consequences”? That one doesn’t seem to be popular right now… (Should go find linky goodness, but it’s late…)

        • RD said:

          “When you see a word spread very quickly that sounds like a buzzword. be very wary. Find its source and shine a light on it.”

          I think this is a really important point. We’re all susceptible to this sort of manipulation, often without recognizing it. And this whole thing really isn’t [or at least shouldn't be] about pointing fingers at individuals because I think it goes much deeper than that. The quote you posted upthread is particularly chilling for me:

          “Words can be like tiny doses of arsenic; they are swallowed unnoticed, appear to have no effect, and then after a little time the toxic reaction.”

          Because this is exactly what I sense in my gut is going on right now. People pooh-poo the idea that words and verbal attacks 24/7 can be a dangerous element. But it’s the cumulative effect over time where we accept the coarse dialogue and namecalling and scapegoating as business as usual. And then? A tragedy. We’re left gawking and gaping and trying to figure it out. How could this happen? we say. Oh, it’s merely a crazy person, someone who would have acted out regardless of the vile rhetoric, the dehumanizing accusations.

          Really? Are we so sure?

          Even if this young man would have acted out his violence on Saturday anyway or on another day at a different venue, do we really believe that the tenor and tone of our language, the words we’ve allowed to penetrate our discourse are useful, helpful and/or enlightening in anyway? Or have we just settled for the cheap parlor tricks and shrugged our shoulders. What to do, what to do, we mutter.

          I don’t think so. I think composing ‘enemy lists’ is counterproductive, damaging and/or calling on 2nd Amendment remedies to solve complicated social policy questions is irresponsible. And dumb. Because very rarely are real alternatives offered, even when the problems are extraordinary real and substantial, affecting individual lives in very personal, sometimes heartbreaking ways: healthcare, unemployment, home foreclosure, etc.

          That being said, I don’t think language or speech is responsible for the tragedy in Tuscon. Clearly the man with gun, sane or not, is the responsible party. But I think we need to start considering contributing factors and how we, as responsible citizens, need to demand better of ourselves as well as those with a public platform and that big ole microphone that reaches out to the rational and irrational alike. I don’t want laws out the ying-yang constricting free speech. But if we want to protect our most cherished freedoms, we need to be responsible, all of us, regardless of who we are, what our profession is, who may or may not be listening.

          Chilling quotes all around. It’s not as if history isn’t whispering in our ear. It’s really about whether we’re willing to listen and heed the warning.

          And if we don’t? Well then, God help us all.

        • Everytime someone says “Department of Homeland Security,” what I hear is “Abteilung vor Heimatsicherheit.”

        • An allied problem is the corruption of definition; “hero” has been cheapened to mean anyone who was in peril in a dangerous event, for example.

      • I was thinking the very same thing, myiq!

    • Instead Nazism permeated the flesh and blood of the people through single words…

      The single word “liberal” paints a thousand pictures. None of them nice.

      “Fly over country” is where the real Americans live.

      Could come up with dozens more. How does that happen?

      • I immediately thought of the word “devisive” that was used to describe Hillary.
        Or calculating….
        Obama… Brilliant!
        McCain…crazy
        Yes, interesting to see the buzzwords in that framework.

        • Wow…..you’re absolutely right. And all the pundits seemed to use the very same words in the very same time frame, building a narrative to demonize her.

          Seems eerily familiar to what’s going on now.
          INCLUDING Krugman.

          Ugh.

    • 1. Regarding “using your own words,” I’d say instead “consciously chose your own words.” Discourse thrives in a community; we need to have a shared and understood vocabulary (which isn’t the same as saying we have to use words invented for us by suits on K Street). As long as we know the provenance…

      2. On Krugman, I like these two points in his column especially:

      It’s important to be clear here about the nature of our sickness. It’s not a general lack of “civility,” the favorite term of pundits who want to wish away fundamental policy disagreements. Politeness may be a virtue, but there’s a big difference between bad manners and calls, explicit or implicit, for violence; insults aren’t the same as incitement. …

      Where’s that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let’s not make a false pretense of balance: it’s coming, overwhelmingly, from the right.

      +1000 on both points.

      • On the contrary, we should avoid a shared and understood vocabulary. We should be thinking through everything we write even if it looks like just a draft. The more thinking we do, the better. And if we can set an example that it’s ok not to have all of the answers in the first draft, we may be able to encourage others to do the same. It’s ok to not know the right answer right away. The most important thing is to find out what you really believe to be important. Let that, not a shared vocabulary lead you to the right answer. Trust yourself.

        • Riverdaughter, this is VERY true. I think I’ve always thought this (at least in the back of my brain) … I know that in the past I’ve written I’m thinking this through posts. But, I haven’t thought of it for a long time.

          I know you’ve mentioned the concept a couple of times lately but, it just now clicked for me.

    • Krugman jumped the gun blaming Loughner’s actions on Republicans within 24 hours of the shootings. He should know better.

      • If you’re talking about this column, you’re wrong. Here’s what Krugman wrote:

        It’s true that the shooter in Arizona appears to have been mentally troubled. But that doesn’t mean that his act can or should be treated as an isolated event, having nothing to do with the national climate.

        • I guess Krugman and the good sheriff have the shooting all figured out. They know what motivated Loughner.

          As Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff responsible for dealing with the Arizona shootings, put it, it’s “the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.”

          If one group (say progressive activists) blames another group (say tea party activists) for something they’re not responsible for (say a high profile multiple murder), it’s likely to provoke reactions which might very well lead to counter reactions. Which is probably okay with the elite establishment. Let the populists agitators from both sides go after each other…deflect anger and attention away from Washington and Wall Street. But make no mistake. This finger pointing after the Arizona shootings was started by progressives, not the other side.

          • And started ON PURPOSE.

            Honk Honk, Three Wickets. You’re thinking very clearly, and not allowing yourself to be manipulated by managed, manipulated word storms. :)

        • Honk, honk! +1000 for krugman.

        • It has nothing to do with the national climate. Schizophrenics (and this guys looks to be a schizophrenic by any definition of the word) listen to the voices inside their heads, not to external stimuli. Trying to pretend that the “national climate” effects the mentally ill is just a way to try to get a grip and thus, some kind of control, on something that non-psychotics simply cannot understand and cannot control. It would be nice to think that if the rest of us were just more civil that these kinds of thing will not happen, but it simply isn’t true.

          • I’m not sure he was shizophrenic after reading one of his friends’ account of him. He sounds like he desperately wanted attention in a malignant way.

          • I’m basing my completely unqualified opinion on his youtube postings. Mind control, grammar, consciousness. Pretty bizarre stuff. I’d bet on a diagnosis of schizophrenia. It usually starts manifesting itself from the ages 18-25.

            http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Classitup10&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_564778

          • Schizophrenia is hard to fake.

          • I’m not sure what DSM discription this guy would fit but I don’t believe there are logical inputs that can explain his behavior.

          • I agree with angienc. He sounds like a classic case of paranoid schizophrenia. My brother was one, and it started to manifest inself when he was in his early 20s. This was during the time he was in the military service so eventually he was taken care of by the VA. In the meantime, my parents suffered horribly and because of his many “imaginings” that my husband and I worked for the FBI and were spying on him, plus his threats to us, I was afraid of him up until the day he died of lung cancer.

          • Yes, there’s a feeling of wanting to get a grip on something, do something. Imo the practical thing to grip and do is the gun control situation.

            Apparently if the background check had had the proper information, Loughner would not have passed it.

  8. Man you are really reaching now.

    • There’s a method to myiq’s madness. I’m not sure he’s winning this argument but I know why he’s doing it.

      • There’s a method to myiq’s madness.

        There is?

      • I’ll trust you on this one. I like myiq and usually agree with him, for some reason I can’t articulate why I disagree about this. You (RD) came very close to how I feel but you don’t quite nail it for me. I guess I need to step away and put some deep thought into this(deep for me anyway :-) ). Myiq I hope I haven’t irritated you to much, maybe just enough.

        If this is 1.5 dimensional chess please quit, I can’t even play checkers very well.

        • I understand if I haven’t quite nailed it for you. I’m still working through it myself. FWIW, Eric Boelert had a very succinct post that is parallel to mine but slightly different. You might try his argument . krugman’s was pretty good as was Ian welshs. All four of us are converging but using slightly different examples and reasoning.
          I like convergence. It appeals to my geeky side. The more data converges from different sources, the better.

    • Given the rhetoric out there, I’d want 24 security around me and my children if I were her. This idea that the vile rhetoric only exists on one side is naive.

      • Yup. It’s the cherry-picking on behalf of the side you agree with, that causes increased distrust in media and blogs.

        Intellectual honesty is required, looking at both sides, to earn credibility . Otherwise, it’s just tribal—-or politics. And also why Krugman is dishonest in his assessment.

        It’s why Myiq posts the other side—-to avoid the same “groupthink” being attacked on the right. And, of course, he’s right to do so.

  9. HuffPoop:

    For Gabby’s Sake, Republicans Should Change the Name of Their Health Care Repeal Bill

    No one should think that one side or the other of the political spectrum is without blame. Whether it’s a conservative politician publishing a map with a bullseye on Gabby’s district or a liberal blogger saying Gabby is “dead to me,” too many have forgotten what it means to be able to disagree without being disagreeable.

    A good place to start a more civil dialog would be for my Republican colleagues in the House to change the name of the bill they have introduced to repeal health care reform. The bill, titled the “Repeal the Job Killing Health Care Law Act,” was set to come up for a vote this week, but in the wake of Gabby’s shooting, it has been postponed at least until next week.

    Don’t get me wrong — I’m not suggesting that the name of that one piece of legislation somehow led to the horror of this weekend — but is it really necessary to put the word “killing” in the title of a major piece of legislation? I don’t think that word is in there by accident — my Republican friends know as well as anyone the power of words to send a message. But in this environment and at this moment in our nation’s history, it’s not the message we should be sending.

    • Oh give me a break! The phrase “job-killing” now has something to do with violence? This whole thing is becoming a parody.

    • One more piece of evidence the Ds should go the way of the Whigs.

    • The irony of course is that “job killing” should be taken out not because of the Arizona tragedy but because it is a misnomer. Obamacare is a lot of things but job killing is not at the top of the list. It probably preserves millions of private sector admin jobs…for now. If “job killing” refers to companies losing their ability to write off prescription drug subsidies…the double deduction thing, that’s a stretch.

  10. I’m adding “I blame Sarah Palin!” to my sig.

    That will save everybody a lot of time. Better yet, it makes everything that I write about Sarah Palin.

    But then, given a celebrity of such magnitude, how could it not be?

    PROPHYLACTIC Yes, Palin is a highly skilled politician. Yes, the sexist and racist attacks on her by career “progressives” were and are appalling.

  11. I get the feeling that we are very close on this issue but that we are missing something or overlooking something and that something is absolutely critical. I fear if we miss it…

    Silly I know but I have a very bad feeling about this, sorry.

    • Interesting. Can you give an example of when you had a similar feeling? These feelings are there for us to pay attention to…

    • About what specifically…Loughner?

    • I have a bad feeling about this in same sense as the Wikileaks thing. Eventually a loss of rights around free speech and privacy are going to be leveled at us….again.

      Frankly, the school passed the buck because it didn’t want blood on its pavement. Rather than taking control of their student with mental problems, something a college could probably do, post-Columbine. They were effective in shoving that guy along and now politicians will use his clearly troubled actions against people who aren’t.

      Probably not the feeling you were having problems putting your finger on. But it will be interesting to see how this all reveals itself and if those nagging, unnamed, feelings are answered.

    • I see an analogy to global warming. You cannot say for sure that global warming “caused” Hurricanes Ike, Rita or Katrina. But by raising the average temperature of the world (and setting the stage for more extreme weather), global warming increases the likelihood of such storms and may make them more severe.

      We cannot say any of the violent language contributed to this individual committing these murders. But we can say it makes the political climate hotter and such incidents may become more likely.

      djmm

    • Well – my ‘intangible’ if you will can’t help but feel that since Loughner is still alive – we’ll be hearing plenty about what he was frustrated about. Be careful what you wish for o’ righteous ones.

    • Yes, you need to be vigilant. They will try to use this to clamp down on political speech in the interest of civility. We don’t have too many champions in congress but I think Franken could make a good case. Or Sanders.
      Before 2012, it’s important to eliminate opposition like us. If we get caught up as collateral damage, well, too bad.
      So, be on your guard. We have no reason to be silenced. We have always been transparent and non-violent. But a crackdown is coming. I feel it in my bones.

      • Who is this they? And what is this political speech that is going to be clamped down…blaming Loughner’s actions on Palin and the tea party?

        • One of the things I have heard on radio (npr) is the idea being flouted that threats against public officials will be raised to the level of threats against the President.

          I think this is a bad move, furthering the divide between regular citizens and people with power. The office of the President already has powers and privileges that match and in some case exceed those of ruling monarchs in the past. Are we now looking to create a class of quasi-nobility, people who already have more power are by law more to be more protected than others?

  12. I don’t like the hatred of Palin. This tragedy will be used by the Damn Dems and the Mainstream Republicans to marginalize her, just like they cheated Hillary. I am not defending Palin but she is no different from others including Obama. All nuts! A little too much picking on the women if you ask me. Shoot a woman, blame a women. Let’s blame young white men who can’t get their act together. If things are so rough. just shoot your self, not your wife, or girlfriend or random strangers or a woman politician. This young white guy was neither a liberal nor a tea party person. He was nuts. People like this use religion or politics to help give rationale to their insanity. God made me do it! Or Gabrielle Giffords made me do it. It doesn’t have much to do with the insanity of the politics of the time… not to absolve the politics of Obama or the far right. It is a theater of the absurd. Can not stand the rhetoric of both sides. We are fucked.
    I think this will just cause politicians to try and stifle any and all debate. They will feel free to fuck us all over and over and we have to act nice. They will become like the airlines. Do what they please and if you speak up, they will arrest you. They will claim that you are threatening. I can see it now. They act like they are totally blameless. They should shoulder the blame for abdicating all responsibility for good governance. They are corrupt and this will make people furious and not know what to do. It will not end well. And there will be Blood!

    • Maybe the problem is that we keep using hammers when we should be using tweezers. Or something. I suspect that when something is not cut and dried, people tend to gravitate towards the simplest solution that appeals to their point of view.
      She’s not evil. Or anyways not more evil than Obama. But she is part of the right wing noise machine that vilifies liberals or Democrats and she joined themof her own free will. At some point we need to let people take responsibility for their actions. That doesn’t mean we should get personal. But I think Sarah has revealed herself to be as opportunistic as Obama and Beck. It’s very sad. I expected more from her. She does not meet my standards and after the latest silly email exchange with Beck, I’m on my guard with her. She’s crossing a rubicon with me.

      • I agree, she’s been getting on my last nerve lately as well, but where can I find her email exchange with Beck? Was that today?

      • I agree. But still does not make her responsible for Loughner’s shooting spree. I’m for letting the cops and professional psychologists do their jobs first before making judgements about the shooting.

        • Yes, let’s start with the Sheriff Clarence Dupnik. He doth protest too much about the TeaPartiers and Palin, especially given that he was very familiar with Loughner and knew of other death threats made to others in town, but did nothing to at least keep this wacko from buying a gun. Looks to me like Dupnik is trying to cover his arse by asserting a direct connection between the shooting and Palin /TeaParty, thereby diverting the blame away from him.

          Naturally, BO has already called the Sheriff as a way of thanking him and offering his support. BO is scheduled to go to Tucson to give yet another “historic” speech. As Mark Penn argued, BO needs an Oklahoma moment to rehabilitate and revitalize his presidency. If he has any of the victims’ families present during the SOTU speech, we will see yet another instance of his shameless and crass self-interest.

          Interesting tidbit: I read at NQ that according to a Judge who handled Laughner’s drug paraphernalia case, Loughner was very savvy and meticulous about scrubbing his record, so that, as it turns out according to the Judge, he would be able to purchase a gun. Looks like Loughner is a functional wacko.

  13. We seem to be saying that the modern world invented scurrilous political language. I know that is simply not true. Back in my green salad days as a poly sci/history major I spent almost a whole semester in the dusty stacks reading the political rhetoric of the past from the original docs. From so called Founders and Statesmen to penny papers. I do not have my research notes any more but I vividly remember how rude, crude, violent, insulting and base was the political discourse. This is not new stuff and actually the contemporary commentary is pretty tame in comparison. And the actual level of physical violence was much higher. Sorry but I find this flailing at who is the worst and who started the evil trend really off-track with historical fact. I think a far more on the point conversation would be about the failure of mental health care and it is not just in the US; it is true also abroad.

  14. Kind of sad that people are so obsessed with Sarah Palin and the Tea Parties that they may have missed the mentally ill stalker with a record of bizarre behavior who had been obsessed with Gifford since at least 2007. That’s what I keep thinking, this false narrative about violent tea partiers which began during the town hall meetings over health care is pretty darn foolish because it distracts people from the real threats.

    • “False narratives”? Do tell. Evidence, please.

    • Well said, yttik.

      It is a false narrative. Those who are not tribal can see it clearly.

      Did you know that this Sheriff KNEW that after expulsion from the college, Loughner was issuing death threats to the college and around town, and never arrested or filed paper work that might block his ability to get a gun?

      One wonders why that sheriff was not more attentive to the young man’s issues—since his department was PRESENT at the final college meeting where Jared and his parents were told Jared needed a psychological evaluation to return to their school.

      Did the sheriff just drop it?

      • Yes, and as I argue above, is this why da Sheriff is trying to pin this on Palin and the TeaPartiers?

        Good point about our failing mental health care in this country. We can thank Reagan for that.

      • “One wonders why that sheriff was not more attentive to the young man’s issues—since his department was PRESENT at the final college meeting where Jared and his parents were told Jared needed a psychological evaluation to return to their school.”

        Do you have a cite for that handy?

  15. Don’t you think so much crude and violent rhetoric is because most people don’t have the verbal skills to debate, or have historical refences to challenge, or have an ablity to analyze statements. They just resort to cliches and vugarity and spout statements that make no sense. But they scream them and repeat the same old stuff louder and louder hoping to silence the other side. The discourse is embarassing, in addition to being crass, violent and dumb.

    • The young prog bloggers have good writing skills…one of the few things they’re good at. Judgement, perspective, wisdom…maybe someday, but not today.

  16. It is not a coincidence that its WOMEN politicians, NOT MALE ones, who are being targeted by these whack jobs. Oh, and of course the perps are all men.

  17. I never realized the far left could be so damn paranoid.

    • Apparently, they feel threatened by Palin and are getting a jump on trying to destroy her before the 2012 elections.

      • Would love to know how much money the DNC is currently paying out to progressive bloggers to take down Palin. The content and timing of their posts and comments in social media are definitely well coordinated. Opinions may vary on other issues, and there are useful debates, but on Palin there is never debate…just disciplined constant uniform bashing. Very efficient campaign.

      • Has Rove blamed the shooting on Palin too? It certainly would fit his agenda to eliminate Palin from the field of 2012. I don’t trust either Party. They’ve been playing us way too long.

  18. Two more victims–finally some news about Loughner’s family:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41014125/

  19. Excellent article about the climate of violence here:

    Let’s Get This Straight

    Melissa McEwan

    Both sides are, in fact, not “just as bad,” when it comes to institutionally sanctioned violent and eliminationist rhetoric.

    http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/01/lets-get-this-straight.html#

    • Nice rant as usual from Melissa. But she’s falling into the same knee-jerk sloppy conflating of motives as many others on the activist left. She is implying that Loughner was motivated by Republicans. Did we assign partisan political blame for the Virginia Tech shooter. Did we end up blaming one side or the other for the Fort Hood shooter. Wish people would take a step back and breathe. It is too early to be writing thesis posts on what caused Loughner’s rampage.

      • The giant leap from one thing to the other with no “bridge” is blowing my mind. Yeah, the right has said some awful things. But WHERE is the evidence that this nut ever once watched, listened to, or was in any way motivated by that? Where did he mention he was a Rush or Beck or Palin fan? Please describe to me how you make the leap from “some idiots said bad things” to “this particular individual was aware of, listened to, and was influenced by that.” Because that’s a BIG leap.

        Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  20. I have asked for the same thing from some of my “progressive” friends on fb….the only thing I keep hearing in response is “but, but, but…..Sarah Palin is bbbbbaaaaaaaddddddddd.” Which I then take to mean they HAVE no link and they NEVER intended to have a link. They are just piling on with more of their Palin hating. Looks like I might lose a few more friends over this one–just can’t fathom the idiocy.

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