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“Teen Mom” busted for domestic violence


Salon:

Prosecutors in central Indiana have filed felony domestic battery and child neglect charges against a star of the MTV reality show “Teen Mom.”

Anderson police began investigating 20-year-old Amber Portwood after a September episode showed her slapping, choking and kicking the 24-year-old father of her daughter.

[...]

Detective Mitch Carroll tells The Herald Bulletin that the child neglect charges stem from Portwood’s then-1-year-old daughter being present during two filmed instances of domestic violence.

[...]

Anne Houseworth of the Indiana Department of Child Services said dozens of viewers called the state’s child abuse hotline to report Portwood’s outbursts.

What I want to know is what took so long? She allegedly assaulted him three times in 2009, with one of the assaults being filmed by MTV.

If he had hit her the way she was hitting him the show would have included film of him being hauled off to jail. Instead the camera crew just watched and did nothing and the cops didn’t get involved until the show aired.

There are stories reporting that Portwood was encouraged by MTV to attack they guy. If that’s true she is still just as guilty, but MTV may be subject to criminal and civil liability as well.


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120 Responses

  1. Watched the clip. Not happy about having watched it either. I tend to gravitate as far away from violence as possible. That was brutal.

  2. If he had hit her the way she was hitting him the show would have included film of him being hauled off to jail.

    Only if she called the police. He had the same option and he didn’t call. The reason they did nothing until the show aired was because they didn’t know about it…. just like the millions of times they haven’t known about some woman getting abused and so did nothing. They don’t have x-ray vision after all.

    whether or not the MTV crew should have done something is a whole other conversation.

    • There was a camera crew there. Why didn’t they intervene? Why didn’t THEY call the cops?

      If he had been beating her, would they have just sat there and watched?

      • That is quite possible. People often go out of their way to avoid doing the right thing especially when they perceive their jobs are on the line. People are also paralyzed into inaction because they are just stunned by anothers behavior not realizing that they should act.

      • considering the fact that he outweighs her by 150 lbs, no I don’t think they would have just filmed it. But I don’t think they would have called the cops either. Gary did a pretty good job of protecting himself. If her kick had sent him falling down the stairs then I think he might have had to call the cops because he could have been seriously hurt.
        Had Amber had to defend herself against him, so could not have done it and yes I think had the roles been reversed she probably would have called the cops.
        It is not okay to hit someone no matter what. but the fact is that Gary had the same rights as Amber and chose not to call.

        • Unfortunately that’s not how abuse works. Often the abused person doesn’t call the cops for various psychological reasons

          In domestic abuse it sure is easy to find some reason to fault the victim.

          • I didn’t say why he didn’t call and I didn’t blame the victim, I have been there. I was simply stating an opinion about Myiq’s opinion in the previous post that had he beaten her the cops would have been there. The fact is that unless they are called, then they can not be there.

          • Agreed. That said, I do tend a bit towards having more sympathy for female victims of domestic partner abuse, because in the vast majority of cases the male partner is bigger, stronger, and has more escape routes open to him (in part because he is more likely to be more able to control his own fertility, his own social circle, and his own economic independence).

          • Read: “The Myth of Male Power”.

            Men are constricted socially as well.

            We are in this together — men and women, boys and girls. It is up to us whatever our gender, to review, revise and relinquish our sexist thinking and behaviors.

          • I don’t disagree that men are being severely screwed as well by the gender binary and the assumptions that come with it. It’s slightly less than half of why I fight the to deconstruct gender.

            That said, it is utterly disingenuous (IMO) to suggest that men are AS screwed. I don’t think it’s a particularly productive conversation to have, but I think that women are More screwed by gender essentialism and stereotypes and sexism than men are. And I think that the way to win over allies in the fight (that will obviously benefit Everyone, and should be undertaken in the interests of social justice for both men and women) is rarely to say to a feminist “But we need to watch out for the men! You’re underestimating how much Men are being hurt”, just as a pragmatic observation. It’s a totally valid argument, just not one that’s necessarily going to be the most resonant for the listener.

          • Agree SandraS. We’re all screwed. But at least white heterosexual men are less screwed. True story.

          • Men being abused by a woman are often embarrassed to call the cops. But they should.

            Female abusers are more common than one might think, sad to say.

            djmm

      • They used to sit and watch when it happened on Jerry Springer. The cops that they had working security at the show didn’t interfere until someone pointed out that they had a duty to intervene. The American idea of what constitutes violence requiring official intervention is sick.

  3. Well, that just sucks in so many ways.

  4. Verbal abuse too. “You’re trash.” ??!!? Which is the most destructive?

    The parts they didn’t censor were so ugly, I have to wonder about the parts they thought were bad enough to take out.

  5. I will de-lurk to say I hope this appalling story creates awareness that women batter men.

    In fact women batter men in almost the same numbers as men batter women.

    My posting this fact elsewhere (with substantiating links) has caused me to be flamed bigtime. Oh well I’ll keep pointing it out nevertheless.

    Men are victims of domestic violence but experience a harsh double standard. Somehow a man is supposed to just take it. If he strikes back he is a monster if he doesn’t he is some kind of weenie who can’t control his “b—h”. Battered men do not have shelters or massive funding to support them. They are at a distinct disadvantage.

    Domestic violence crosses all socio-economic, gender and age lines.

    • While you may or may not be right on the numbers, I hope you don’t mind if I fact check those, you are a bit misleading here. Yes, it is a problem but it isn’t near the problem that domestic battery heaped on women is. Seldom do women abusers stalk and murder the person they are supposed to love. Also, women tend to be the primary care givers of children and are caught in situations where they just can’t walk away. Men are not under the same constraints. Not apples to apples at all.

      • Intimate partner violence is a human problem. Reducing it to “women are victims/men are violent” is grossly incorrect and counter-productive.

        There is plenty of research and stats.
        For example

        “A 2006 study showed that women in the United States commit domestic violence against men 33% more often than men do against women, and women commit severe domestic violence twice as often as men.”
        (PDF of study: http://bit.ly/1MlBIM)

        There’s more at wiki under Domestic Violence/epidemiology:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence

        article at Daily Finance: http://aol.it/9ZkQgo
        opeds in NYT: http://www.menweb.org/battered/batnytop.htm

        http://www.oregoncounseling.org/Handouts/DomesticViolenceMen.htm

        • oh come on, this is nonsense. If men were the main victims of domestic violence this would be a very different country. Who did the poll, the ridiculous guys at the mens rights movement meetings.

          poor white males: “we are so oppressed”

          • In a classic case of why URL shorteners should almost never be used, the PDF at bit.ly turns out to be from the Journal of Family Psychology, 2006, Vol. 20, No. 1, 137–142. So it has nothing to do with men’s rights movements.

            I don’t know enough about the subject matter to judge the study one way or another. It would be interesting to know what its methodology was. I don’t know, for example, if it controls for race and income (“poor white males”).

        • The study — it is not a poll — is “Estimating the Number of American Children Living in
          Partner-Violent Families ” presented to the 2006 Journal of Family Psychology /American Psychological Association

          Here is an excerpt for those of you who cannot handle reading a .pdf or a shortened url.
          ____

          Prevalence of Partner Violence

          The prevalence in the previous year for each act of
          partner violence, for any violence, and for severe violence is presented in Table 1. Prevalence rates are also presented separately for male and female partner violence. Partner violence was reported by 21.45% of couples, with male-to-female violence in 13.66% and female-to-male violence in 18.20% of couples. Severe partner violence was reported by 8.64% of couples, with severe male-to-female partner violence in 3.63% of couples and severe female-to-male partner violence in 7.52% of couples.

      • In dv cases, it is COMMON for men to hide or sabotage the birth control options of their female partners. Like, extremely common. And pregnant women are much more likely to be beaten or murdered by their partners than other women. Ugly truths.

    • the leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder by spouse of sig other. Can you find some corresponding stats concerning men?

    • I would be very surprised if the numbers of men being abused is that close to women being abused in domestic violence cases. But just because the numbers may not be balanced, doesn’t make cases like this less serious than a similar case with the roles reversed. This is serious domestic violence. WIth all of the same regrettable responses from even some here, like how the victim chose not to call the police. Sadly that’s not how it works. Domestic abuse is insidious and the victims for various reasons often do not seek help.

    • madazel,

      All violence is wrong. However, there are varying degrees of the escalation of the violence, both physical and mental, and a need to control that goes beyond hitting.

      Here’s a clip from a documentary film entitled “Telling Amy’s Story”, which encapsulates the degree of which I speak that women by vast numbers endure from men. I don’t advocate any woman hitting and abusing a man, but you won’t see any documentaries being done about men which shows women going to this kind of extreme in domestic violence.

      I even doubt very seriously men would be embarassed or silent, if women were doing this to men on the same scale men are doing and have been doing this kind of abuse to women for thousands of years. If they were, I guarantee the laws preventing domestic violence would be infinately more stringent with much greater consequences and preventive methods in place than there are now for women.

      As far as I’m concerned, the greatest tragedy is how long it’s taken to acknowledge this kind of rampant domestic violence and how little has been done by the male dominated law enforcement to stop it:

      • Thank you, Kathleen,

        All violence is reprehensible. I have insisted on illuminating the issue of men who are assaulted by women because many people simply do not want to accept the fact that almost as many men are threatened as women.

        Recognizing men as victims of domestic violence does not in any way diminish the tragedy of women suffering from domestic violence. What recognizing men as victims does is show that the intimate partner violence is pervasive.

        No one ought to get off the hook — neither an abusive man OR an abusive woman.

        The research, data, laws and funding have been skewed towards women as victims and that has obscured the reality.

        Call me a stickler for truth and facts.

        • madazel,

          I’m a stickler for the truth too. I also don’t think women deny that women do abuse men, we logically believe that the more pervasive and grander scale of domestic violence towards women has not been properly addressed yet by those men in law enforcment, the judiciary and the legislature, who are supposed to protect us from this abuse. So, focusing on the men seems a bit premature. at this point — kind of like taking a broken leg in to surgery before the gun shot victim! Clearly, one deserves the attention first over the other, wouldn’t you agree?

          Amazingly, despite all of the stats and data on record regarding domestic violence, we are still trying to teach law enforcement to recognize and understand what “domestic” violence is, and that it’s definitely not a private matter between husband and wife — IT’S A CRIME!

          In any event, you seem to be implying that if we focus on the domestic violence of men that it will somehow make men more receptived to discussing and/or recogning that something must be done about abuse against women. Also, don’t take out of the equation that men have always held, and still hold, the lion’s share of power at all levels of society. That puts women at a unique disadvantage that the men don’t have. So, no matter how much you try to say it’s underreported or that men are too embarassed to report domestic violence, you’re leaving out one very important statistic — THE NUMBER OF WOMEN KILLED BY THE HUSBAND OR SIGNIFICANT OTHER. Women aren’t killing the men they are abusing anywhere near the same rate. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

          As the documentary so asutely points out, this is about saving lives.

          • I am not implying that we should focus on the domestic violence inflicted upon men.

            I am asking that we focus on intimate partner violence as a human problem. Domestic violence crosses all lines of socio-economic, gender, sexual orientation, and age everywhere on the planet.

            Vying for “most victimized” status is unproductive.
            Sanctifying women is unproductive. Vilifying all men is unproductive.

            The sooner we all can see the spectrum of intimate partner violence in its entirety the better.

            Also I have not left out the number of women killed by their intimate partners. Please read some of my links. Men are killed by their partners as well.

            Ask yourself why it is so difficult to see a man as a victim. Gender bias swings both ways.

          • madazel,

            I don’t have a problem seeing men as victims, I do have a major problem with men, who have almost all the power to stop the ongoing and escalating violence against women, but who have done nothing for decades to address it, much less use their considerable power to stop it.

            It never ceases to amaze me how vigilent men can be whenever they feel they are being discriminated against, but can remain indifferent, even obtuse, with the much greater harm men, in general, have been inflicting on women since the beginning of time.

            If you want recognition by women for the wrongs done to men, then you need to show the same outrage at the more egregious wrongs done and still being done to women, under a patriarchial system that has been set up to favor men in every way.

            Imagine if you were making this same argument to African Americans and accusing them of not recognizing the “black on white” crime that has victimized white men, what they would be saying to you right now about who is the greater victim!

            As Tina Fey said “bitch is the new black now.” Without women, who would men blame for their failures?

          • “I don’t have a problem seeing men as victims, I do have a major problem with men, who have almost all the power to stop the ongoing and escalating violence against women, but who have done nothing for decades to address it, much less use their considerable power to stop it.”

            SO: You have a problem with men. All of them? What of the men who have passed laws like VAWA? SO: women are helpless unless men give them power or protect them?

            “It never ceases to amaze me how vigilent men can be whenever they feel they are being discriminated against, but can remain indifferent, even obtuse, with the much greater harm men, in general, have been inflicting on women since the beginning of time.”

            SO: Which men are being vigilant? Which are being indifferent? All men?
            SO: All women have been victims since the beginning of time? Viking women? Native American women? Aboriginal women?

            If you want recognition by women for the wrongs done to men, then you need to show the same outrage at the more egregious wrongs done and still being done to women, under a patriarchial system that has been set up to favor men in every way.

            SO: Men and women are to vie for “most victimised” status and then, once they establish who has been the most mistreated, we can start to work on the problem of domestic violence?

            Imagine if you were making this same argument to African Americans and accusing them of not recognizing the “black on white” crime that has victimized white men, what they would be saying to you right now about who is the greater victim!

            SO: Crimes have different import depending on the race of those involved?

            As Tina Fey said “bitch is the new black now.” Without women, who would men blame for their failures?
            SO: Bitchiness is good?
            SO: All men are blaming all women for their faults?

            ——
            legislation passed by men: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_ActVAWA

          • madazel,

            Without realizing it, you are ignoring the overwhelming statistics that prove that men have not used their enormous power to stop violence against women, otherwise, it would be lessening, instead of escalating.

            Violence against women has been called “the most pervasive yet least recognized human rights abuse in the world.”

            Gender-based violence also serves – by intention or effect – to perpetuate male power and control. It is sustained by a culture of silence and denial of its seriousness. Hence, your efforts to change the focus from the women to the men, as if the two are in any way “equal” in their severity.

            The abuse of women is a pervasiveness which affects them throughout their lives. Here’s a few examples, since you like facts:

            Prenatal Prenatal sex selection, battering during pregnancy, coerced pregnancy (rape during war)
            Infancy Female infanticide, emotional and physical abuse, differential access to food and medical care
            Childhood Genital cutting; incest and sexual abuse; differential access to food, medical care, and education; child prostitution
            Adolescence Dating and courtship violence, economically coerced sex, sexual abuse in the workplace, rape, sexual harassment, forced prostitution.

            Reproductive Abuse of women by intimate partners, marital rape, dowry abuse and murders, partner homicide, psychological abuse, sexual abuse in the workplace, sexual harassment, rape, abuse of women with disabilities

            Old Age Abuse of widows, elder abuse (which affects mostly women)

            Women are tired of the empty promises given to them by the power strucutre controlled predominantely by white men, who pass laws which are not enforced or have no teeth, and the continuing escalation of violence and discrimination against women by a patriarchial hierarchy which has no intention of giving up their power willfully.

            The evidence of the patriarchy’s intense struggle to stay in power, by any means necessary, is everywhere. Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t mean it’s not so.

          • “Without realizing it, you are ignoring the overwhelming statistics that prove …”

            {{ lets out a long sad sigh }}

  6. I think the bigger question is why is there a reality show that glorifies teen moms? I now see their faces on magazines at the checkout counters – it’s revolting.

    No wonder we have so many girls now thinking babies are just fashion accessories and teen pregnancy is “cool”.

  7. That bothers me too. I compare this show to its more serious competitor/mimic show called “16 & Pregnant” (produced by Morgan Freeman!) which seems to go out of its way to DE-glamorize teen motherhood, portraying it as relentless drudgery and the loss of the girl’s former plans for her future. It’s a gritty, sometimes hard-to-watch show that, I think, is much more realistic. (Mind you, I think this is a good thing.)

    The problem with this MTV version is that it tries to have it both ways. Yes, it shows the drudgery and difficulty but it also features the glamorous “celebrity rehab” Dr. Drew, and the girls portrayed on the show enjoy celebrity coverage like the stars of a TV sitcom would–I was reading the latest Us Weekly at my nail salon the other day and there was a several-page spread introducing the new “teen moms” of the season, and inside the magazine, photos of the teen moms with their kiddies were featured right alongside the usual shots of Angelina and her kids, Gwen Stefani and her kids, etc etc. Pretty horrifying imo.

    • they are the same girls. When they were not 16 and pregnant anymore they renamed it “Teen Mom”.

  8. the moment she struck him, they should have stopped it. They just sat their wanting more, and more.

    She had him cornered, and now she and the crew can get in that corner at the courthouse, and let’s
    see their faces.

    She’s a brute, teaching her child to become a brute.

  9. Most people can protect themselves just fine from a much smaller person who is slapping them with an open palm — I guess certain people are wimps after all if they’re so freaked out by the thought. Terrified of a midget, sheesh.

    Here, let me help you across the street, sweetie.

    • So it should only be a crime if you hit someone smaller than you?

      • Yes. Seems fair. After all, I can protect myself just fine from someone who is smaller than me, if they’re not using a weapon of some sort. It’s not like I’m terrified of a vast army of pissed off midgets.

        And of course I wonder what that guy did to tick her off. Maybe he was late getting dinner on the table and she had endured a long stressful day at the office, slaving away just to provide for her family. I’m sure she’s usually quite thoughtful. These things happen and it’s best just to forgive and forget. Anyway, I don’t understand why you’re so upset, can you explain the problem again?

  10. The entire point of sexism is that a power differential exists. If you lack the capacity to identify that power differential, then I suggest your IQ is quite low indeed.

    • Sadly this is very typical of how domestic abuse victims are treated. Just because the person is larger by weight, or even strength, doesn’t make him less of a victim. What, so you’re only a victim if you’re somehow worthy of being a victim? Is there a test? Should the police administer this test before they show up. Is part of the test what the victim is wearing?

      • Size differentials don’t negate the abuse, but they do explain why some of us think that females are in more physical danger from domestic abuse. If you’ve ever been held down by someone twice your size, it’s a hard thing to fail to take into account.

        • I think the discussion with this self described man hater is a little different. Here the discussion is basically that a man can never be a victim. And it’s a big joke when they are.

          Of course when it comes to physical conflict, mass matters.

    • And your point is?

  11. Actually, I retract that. Any adult who is terrified of a much smaller person slapping them with an open palm has some pretty severe psychological issues.

    • Yes, let’s call them a victim of domestic abuse.

    • If you watch the video then you’ll see she punches him with her fist too.

      • If you know anything about fighting, open palm vs. closed fist makes little difference. Nor does how far you move before contact (if at all).

        Uh oh, one more piece of the puzzle. :)

    • One of those pretty severe psychological issues you mention might be that they were taught and deeply internalized that you don’t hit a women (or someone smaller) no matter what. So I guess you’re saying let’s make sure no one has that psychological issue.

      • Well nothing wrong with slapping someone bigger than you. It feels like a midget slap, after all. oooh it hurts it hurts call the wambulance.

        • Your compassion for other people is stunning. Do you live in Texas and work on a ranch clearing brush by any chance?

          • She’s a self-proclaimed feminazi who thinks men aren’t human:

            In order to distinguish those who are fully fledged members of humanity from those who are merely homo sapien, we must remember that humanity is a term bestowed only upon those who express humane qualities — specifically compassion is mentioned most often. And since we can’t say that subjegating those one claims to love is compassionate, we also can’t say that men as a class are humane. And alas, therefore we can’t say that men as a class are fully fledged members of humanity.

            miss Andrea – misandry

          • Jeebus. That’s really sad.

          • oh gawd it’s a joke. Can’t you take a joke? Lighten up! :)

          • Funny how abusers often say they were just teasing or joking afterwards.

          • Please, give up RUSH LIMBAUGH’S favorite word ‘feminazi’, it is a barfing point with me…it is like having your kids repeat Rush Nut.

            Reminds me of this clip of Glen Beck’s obsession with Nazis too. And NOOOO Women are not OUT to GET the MENZ!

            “GLENN BECK HAS NAZI TOURETTES!”

          • Sadly WV, this one is out to get the menz. So the handle is appropriate.

  12. In all seriousness, all violence is wrong no matter who does it. But whining about the one woman who slaps some dude while most of the genderized violence which occurs in total is male beating the holy crap out of females, is simply male supremacy in action.

    Which is why I object to this post. Anyway, I have seen you make some most excellent, genuinely egalitarian comments elsewhere, so at least you’re improving. Yay.

    • In all seriousness I see your flippant reaction as exactly part of the problem of domestic violence. I hope you can improve one day. It’s never too late to grow a heart and learn to care about other humans.

      • I’m trying to help you, really. It’s for your own good, really. Maybe someday you’ll understand, and thank me.

        • Sadly I don’t think you’re in a position to help anyone. Only hurt.

        • You know, I was more than willing to listen to your point of view before, even though it was clearly dismissive of the victim’s perspective in cases that disagreed with your expectations. But this is just over the line. You are not doing your cause any good. If you’re interested in the credibility of feminism, you might consider shutting up.

    • Now that I see myiq’s post about you, I’m truly sad that you’re such a broken person. If I had known you had such psychological issues, I wouldn’t have played with you. I hope you can become fully human one day.

    • The issue is that intimate partner violence is harmful NOT what gender the victim or perpetrator is. We as a society perpetuate the dysfunction by refusing to acknowledge that men can also be victims of domestic violence.

      It baffles me that there are those who refuse to look at facts. Then again I suppose hatred and fixed perceptions have a way of fogging up one’s critical thinking.

  13. I don’t know how to talk about this without betraying confidences. But, I know that women can be physically abusive to men. I’ve seen a man after being beaten & stabbed (this was done in front of his children) with a broken coke bottle. It’s very scary when someone you care about lives under that sort of threat.

    I’m not sure why anyone would take pleasure in a man going through this just because so many women are abused. It’s a horrible experience for families no matter where or who the abuse is coming from.

  14. I don’t condone violence of any kind, but I have to say, if I was the man, I would have punched her lights out!

    • I would have too. But not everyone has the tools, psyscholoigically or even physically despite their size, to do that.

      • The exception is ‘self defense’, not mortal combat. The latter may get both parties arrested and one hurt and maybe badly.

        So, defend yourself, but do NOT engage in mortal combat…violence is never a good thing.

        • That’s a very gray area. And the laws vary quite a bit. In the end, you want to live, and it’s hard in the midst of combat to judge how hard to hit back. It’s especially tricky if you have training in such things. But I’d rather be alive and dealing with the law afterwards than the alternative.

          • Having worked with Mental Health Consumers years ago for over ten years, the object is to defend, look for a way out and be safe. If you engage people the violence escalates and someone will be hurt, the objective is to minimize and avoid violence.

            OK, granted I am standing on my little soap box, but I was never attacked and in fact once had my life protected by a client, while waiting in the locked area of PES. I finally took notice to what had changed (know your surroundings) and why said client was intent on protecting me…quick observations and a little chat and bingo THREAT ID’d… Close call that was.

          • Absolutely. The first thing you teach in self defense is to avoid, avoid, avoid. Running is good. :) Because when there is a fight, someone will get hurt. And it doesn’t matter who, it won’t be nice. But if you’re not as observant or more likely, there are others involved you can’t leave, then your choices dwindle.

          • And mass matters. Make use of it whether it’s yours or theirs. :)

          • You are correct in that each individual should make that call given the information on hand, I have just been trained over years and well, my brain is wired to look for a way out, place something in between and not to escalate the situation. We are not allowed to say things back to clients, but to de-escalate the situation and well, more than likely we were going to see them, if they weren’t processed/checked in on a hold.

            So, if a knife was to my neck, yes, I am with you, but I still might instintively try to negotiate my way out of it…hey… (((throws hands up))).

            Any hoo, I am getting into an area I should be chit chatting about. Nuff said.

          • That was ‘shouldn’t’ …

          • Mums the word. Shhhh.

      • But you know what would have happened had he struck back in self defense Dandy…He would have been hauled off to jail for abuse.

        I don’t know what I would have done but for criss sake, if a woman defends herself, she’s heroic but if a man defends himself from the same abuse, he’s an animal?

  15. Abused Men (Abuse is abuse, regardless of gender and 1/4 of abuse victims are men who don’t hit back.) One Domestic Abuse Shelter in California accepts men and their children.

  16. Children Learn What They Live

  17. There is abuse from all ends, male against females (in higher numbers), then there is abuse by females against males (smaller numbers, but yes, it is abuse), then there is same sex partner violence (male abuse against male partner, female against female partner), then there is elder abuse, then there is child abuse, then there is stranger abuse (known as muggings, unprovoked attacks and then there are hate crimes).

    Gosh, how sad to see that in words, we should have kinder things to say and express towards one another.

    Poem Leo Buscaglia – Only you can Make the difference

  18. I’m so glad we steered this discussion from jokes and dismissiveness and even hate to how sad and horrible this problem for everyone no matter who the victim is or what they look like.

    Do what you can in your community to help. I do.

  19. Via Uppity:

    Kevin Funderburk, a 25-year-old degenerate, decided he was badly in need of a woman. But he was unable to obtain one by the usual means — a problem common to the degenerate species. So he knocked on a 71-year-old woman’s door, claiming to be homeless with nowhere to go…

    The woman, being the gracious kind, unwisely decided to let the shitbag into her home. That’s when Funkerburk knocked her to the floor and started to rape her.

    But this wasn’t the kind of woman who gets willingly raped by a 25-year-old candy-ass whose nickname must surely be “Princess.” The woman managed to get her paws on a frying pan. Then she used said instrument of culinary glory to repeatedly bash Funderburk on the head.

    Let’s just say that the little punk took a nasty ass whupping. By the time police arrived, this not so stellar example of Kansas manhood was found unconscious in a pool of his own barf.

  20. I promise this will be my last link before I slip back into lurking.

    I do appreciate discussing this touch subject with you all!

    http://breakingthescience.org/RichardGelles_MissingPersonsOfDV.php

    by Richard Gelles, Ph.D.
    Dean of the School of Social Policy & Practice at the University of Pennsylvania

    Gelles is considered an expert in US family violence.
    He was booed and threatened when he presented findings that domestic violence is committed by women as much as by men.

  21. A really fascinating book on the subject of female violence is Patricia Pearson’s “When She Was Bad.” One of the things Pearson notes is that while men may be dangerous to women, women are dangerous to children: women commit the majority of infant killings, and commit severe child abuse at the same rate as men. The book really changed my thinking when I first read it and has rewarded repeated viewings. Highly recommended.

  22. The bottom line is that violence is a human problem, and a very big one. And physically attacking any living thing–man, woman, child, or animal–is wrong except in self-defense. Period.

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