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Sunday News Roundup

Good Morning Conflucians!! Let’s see what’s brewing in the news.

A secret memo from Gates was leaked:

U.S Defence Secretary Robert Gates has warned in a secret memo to senior White House officials that the United States does not have an effective long-term strategy for dealing with Iran’s nuclear programme.

The three page document, written in January, set off intense efforts within the Pentagon, White house and America’s intelligence agecies to come up with new options, including the use of the military, according to the New York Times newspaper.

Mr Gates outlined a number of concerns including the absence of an effective strategy if Iran managed to assemble all the major components for a nuclear weapon but stopped short of putting together a missile.

In that case, the Times said, Iran could remain a signatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty while still becoming a “virtual” nuclear weapons state.

The memorandum also urged new thinking about also urged the White House to consider how to contain Iran if it decided to produce a weapon and how to deal with the possibility that one of the terror groups supported by Iran might get hold of a nuclear weapon.

Apparently Goldman Sachs had 9 months warning from SEC:

Goldman Sachs Group Inc., which fell 13 percent yesterday after U.S. regulators announced fraud accusations, didn’t disclose that it was warned nine months ago that investigators wanted to bring a case, people with direct knowledge of the talks said.

Goldman Sachs responded to the so-called Wells notice from the Securities and Exchange Commission within months and met with the agency officials trying to fend off the civil lawsuit, said the people, who declined to be identified because the talks weren’t public. In March, the New York-based firm said it was cooperating with regulators’ “requests for information.”

“The question is whether a general disclaimer like that is rendered misleading because you left out the specifics,” said Adam Pritchard, a former SEC attorney who teaches law at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. “The prudent, conservative choice is to disclose more,” because omissions can lead to shareholder lawsuits, Pritchard said.

Lucas van Praag, a spokesman for Goldman Sachs in New York, declined to comment.

In a stunning non story, Palin makes hay out of Obama saying we’re a super power like it or not. Really, that’s the best the right can come up with:

Sarah Palin criticized President Barack Obama on Saturday for saying America is a military superpower “whether we like it or not,” saying she was taken aback by his comment.

“I would hope that our leaders in Washington, D.C., understand we like to be a dominant superpower,” the former Alaska governor said. “I don’t understand a world view where we have to question whether we like it or not that America is powerful.”

Obama said earlier this week that the United States must do its best to resolve conflicts around the world before they grow too serious.

“It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them,” Obama said. “And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure.”

That’s pretty lame of Palin and the right. Hello, it’s a figure of speech. As in, we have to face facts here people, we’re a superpower, so we’ve got some responsibilities. Duh.

WW I buried arsenal uncovered at the nations capital:

A year ago, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers thought chances of finding any more chemical weapons in the front yard of a home in the nation’s capital were slim. So they removed an airtight protective structure from the World War I munitions cleanup site. Then, they uncovered a small arsenal.

The Corps discovered an open flask containing traces of the chemical agent mustard, another blistering agent called lewisite and munition shells with more digging near a one-time Army chemical warfare station at American University.

More recently, protective structures were rebuilt and digging continued. Workers found a larger jar with mustard, glassware that was smoking and fuming, scrap munitions and a shell containing a tear gas agent.

The Army Corps has removed more than 500 pounds of glassware and scrap metal and nearly 750 barrels of soil, some of it contaminated with chemical agents, said spokeswoman Joyce Conant.

“It’s a much larger disposal area than we predicted,” project manager Dan Noble told The Associated Press on Thursday. “The nature of debris is so different, perhaps it’s a different disposal area.”

It’s too soon to know, though, whether the Army Corps has uncovered a fourth major disposal area in the pricey Spring Valley neighborhood near American University, Nobel said.

During World War I, the Army used the university as an experiment station to develop and test chemical weapons. Some munitions were fired into a nearby wooded area during testing. When the Army station closed, the leftover munitions and chemicals were buried behind the school in what was then rural farmland.

Right in their own backyard too. Silly government.

The ultimate haters of freedom, privacy and general decency in all of humanity, the recording industry (RIAA) and motion picture industry (MPAA) associations want you to have spyware that monitors your computers:

We’re not easily shocked by entertainment industry overreaching; unfortunately, it’s par for the course. But we were taken aback by the wish list the industry submitted in response to the Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator’s request for comments on the forthcoming “Joint Strategic Plan” for intellectual property enforcement. The comments submitted by various organizations provide a kind of window into how these organizations view both intellectual property and the public interest. For example, EFF and other public interest groups have asked the IPEC to take a balanced approach to intellectual property enforcement, paying close attention to the actual harm caused, the potential unexpected consequences of government intervention, and compelling countervailing priorities.

The joint comment filed by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and others stands as a sharp contrast, mapping out a vision of the future where Big Media priorities are woven deep into the Internet, law enforcement, and educational institutions.

Consider the following, all taken from the entertainment industry’s submission to the IPEC.

“There are several technologies and methods that can be used by network administrators and providers…these include [consumer] tools for managing copyright infringement from the home (based on tools used to protect consumers from viruses and malware).”

In other words, the entertainment industry thinks consumers should voluntarily install software that constantly scans our computers and identifies (and perhaps deletes) files found to be “infringing.” It’s hard to believe the industry thinks savvy, security-conscious consumers would voluntarily do so. But those who remember the Sony BMG rootkit debacle know that the entertainment industry is all too willing to sacrifice consumers at the altar of copyright enforcement.

Pervasive copyright filtering

“Network administrators and providers should be encouraged to implement those solutions that are available and reasonable to address infringement on their networks. [This suggestion is preceded by a list of filtering methods, like protocol filtering, fingerprint-based filtering, bandwidth throttling, etc.]“

The entertainment industry loves widespread filtering as a “solution” to online copyright infringement — in fact, it has successfully persuaded Congress to push these technologies on institutions of higher-education.

But, but, but, isn’t corporate America just looking out for our best interest. It’s interesting to note that the majority of legal staff Obama has brought into the white house are former RIAA and/or MPAA lawyers. They and their practices is why I fly a pirate flag.

A koolaid drinkers take on Obama’s late night order for gay rights (hospital visits):

President Obama’s decision Thursday night to grant same-sex couples hospital visitation rights is the latest and most visible example of a strategy to make concrete steps toward equality for gays and lesbians without sparking a broad cultural debate or a fight with Congress.

The approach has angered some of the president’s fiercest supporters, who are eager for bold change, but other politically savvy activists have encouraged Obama to act in small ways to reshape government rules and regulations on behalf of gays and lesbians.

If you don’t like his pace or the brilliant and thorough changes he’s making, then you’re just not savvy enough to understand.

Obama Administration won’t share Ft. Hood information with the Senate, and so they may subpoena:

The Obama administration, facing a subpoena threat from Congress, will not share information that could compromise its prosecution of the suspected gunman in last year’s Fort Hood shooting, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Friday.

Two U.S. senators vowed on Thursday to subpoena the Obama administration next week unless it produces information sought in a congressional investigation of last year’s rampage at the Texas military base in which 13 soldiers were killed.

They said the Justice and Defense departments had until Monday to provide the information or face legal action.

Gates, speaking to reporters after attending a Caribbean security conference in Barbados, said the U.S. government had no interest in hiding information from Congress but the legal case against Major Nidal Malik Hasan had to take priority.

“Anything that does not have any impact on that prosecution, we are more than willing to share,” Gates said.

“But what’s most important is this prosecution. And we will cooperate with the committee in every way — with that single caveat, that whatever we provide doesn’t compromise the prosecution.”

Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman, an independent, and Susan Collins, the panel’s top Republican, have been trying for months to obtain specific information about the rampage, which also left many wounded.

Perhaps the Senate is also not savvy enough to understand what the whitehouse is up too. It’s the new transparent, because the old way of being transparent is just, well, old.

And speaking of what the Democratic party has been up to recently, there’s an interesting story about cannibalism. It may turn out that the Donner Party (or Dinner Party for those comedians out there) may not have gone as far as cannibalism:

Gwen Robbins, an anthropologist at Appalachian State University, has found “no evidence of cannibalism among the 84 members of the Donner Party who were trapped by a snowstorm in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in the mid-1840s.”

Robbins is hardly the first scholar to assert that the Donner Party cannibalism story was perhaps just a story. As the A.S.U. press release puts it: “The legend of the Donner party was primarily created by print journalists, who embellished the tales based on their own Victorian macabre sensibilities and their desire to sell more newspapers.”

There’s some of the report with a link in the article. They’ve taken all the fun out of that story for me.

And finally, here’s a lovely image from Herschel Space Observatory:

The Herschel Space Observatory has uncovered a cosmic garden of budding stars, each expected to grow to 10 times the mass of our sun.

The new image can be seen online here. It was taken using infrared light by Herschel, a European Space Agency mission with important NASA participation.

“Herschel can see through cold thickets of dust to where big, baby stars are forming,” said Paul Goldsmith, the NASA project scientist for the mission at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The image shows most of the cloud associated with the Rosette nebula, located about 5,000 light-years from Earth in the constellation Monoceros, the Unicorn. The region contains a family of growing stars, with the oldest and most massive members in the center of the nebula, and younger and less massive generations located farther out in the associated cloud. The nebula’s cluster of the most massive stars, located beyond the right edge of the picture, is responsible for hollowing out the cavity. There’s enough dust and gas in the entire Rosette cloud to make about 10,000 suns.

The large, embryonic stars uncovered by Herschel are thought to be a younger generation. They are located inside the tips of pillars that appear to branch out from thicker cloud material. The pillars were, in fact, excavated by the nebula’s massive star cluster. Winds and radiation from those stars pushed less dense material away from the pillars, and probably triggered the birth of the big stars inside the finger-like structures. In fact, the pillars point to the location of the massive nebula stars.

That’s a bit of what’s happening. Post anything else you find, good or bad or just plain loopy. Loopy is good.

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  1. Teh Google News:

    Satire and ridicule can help win the fight against Al-Qaeda by stripping it of its glamour and mystique, a team of researchers argue in a report released in London and in comments to AFP.

    Beating the Islamist movement is as much about winning the battle of ideas and undermining Al-Qaeda’s counter-culture cachet as it is about conventional anti-terrorism operations, said the report.

    I’ve been using satire and ridicule as weapons all my life.

    • Satire is a powerful weapon. Crazy religious groups often melt when you throw it on them.

      glamour and mystique
      I’d love to see some pythonesque commercials pretending to be espousing the glamour of al qaeda all the while showing how stunningly stupid and not in the interest of the poor sucker being recruited they are.

  2. They and their practices is why I fly a pirate flag.

    I thought it was the booty?

    • Because pirating content should be a right.

    • OK, amongst the reasons for the flag are: a fanatical devotion to fair use, the rugged life of an outlaw on the open seas and the booty.

    • I imagine most all of you know the Electronic Frontier Foundation http://www.eff.org/

      They are working for us for sane intellectual property laws.

      Here’s info worth knowing: http://www.eff.org/issues/file-sharing

      “The RIAA’s and MPAA’s irrational war on P2P is not generating a single penny for artists. In fact, despite lawsuits against many P2P providers and over 20,000 music and movie fans, file sharing is more popular than ever.

      Yet the lawsuits have forced ordinary Americans to pay thousands of dollars to music and movie industry lawyers, while many innocent individuals have been caught in the crossfire. What’s more, the entertainment industry has threatened innovation in P2P systems and many other tools that help you get more from your media. ”

      —-

      Another way of working around with this “long arm of the law” is for artists to create a Creative Commons license. http://creativecommons.org/

  3. That’s pretty lame of Palin and the right. Hello, it’s a figure of speech. As in, we have to face facts here people, we’re a superpower, so we’ve got some responsibilities. Duh.

    Agreed. The right is taking what Obama said out of context because it fits their narrative.

  4. Good morning DT. Thanks for the great update. Differ with you on the latest Palin-Bama exchange. “Whether we like it or not..” sounds like an apology for being America or the US or whatever we want to call ourselves. We project weakness or equivocation, bad things happen abroad, regardless of how liberal our policy goals. At minimum, bad politics and word choices from BO, good politics for whatever it’s worth for Palin, imo.

    • Was that from a speech she gave or is she still eviscerating Obama via Facebook?

    • It’s expedient politics for the right-wing for sure, but all Obama seems to be saying is a cliche that like it or not, we can’t afford to be 100% isolationist. I saw Laura Ingraham on Faux and Friends yesterday and she was not surprisingly pushing the “Obama is more comfortable putting America down and not talking about Ameican exceptionalism” line on this story, but more than one she backtracked ever so slightly for a second to say “maybe it’s being taken out of context, but I don’t think so, it fits a pattern.” I think the right wing pundits know what he meant but they’re seizing his clumsy comment as an opportunity, nothing more, nothing less.

    • yup, I agree. I heard it and thought it was more than a figure of speech. It sounds like more of his world wide apology tour where he keeps admitting that we are guilty of being the US.
      I thought it was stupid and un-presidential.

      And besides, I am pretty sure we are mostly happy to be a super power. Anyone who is not might need to ask themselves why not.

      • “I thought it was stupid and un-presidential.”

        Yep.

        Hillary would not have said something as inept as that.

      • Well, for starters, the non-super-dupers have universal health care and much longer vacations. Their tax dollars go for infra-structure and other common goods. In the US, taxes go for military and mercenary megalopolies, bombs and bullets. In short, there’s no shortage of money for destruction…. construction, on the other hand ~ SOCIALISM!

        • Yep, what a privilaege it is to have to pay for bombs and bullets to use in other countries rather than for health care, infrastructure and decent lives and opportunities for all Americans. Being a superpower is sooo much better than all that, right?

  5. I DO love the beautiful space pictures. I think it was PBS I watched do a 2-part program “Finding the Edge of the Universe” (may have confused the title); the pictures were just breathtaking.

    Thanks for posting this one.

    • You’re welcome. I was mesmerized by it like a lot of those Herschel (and Hubble) pictures. Click through to see a large, high resolution, version.

  6. Heh:

    “Later, under the heading ‘How to use extremism as issue against Republicans,’ Morris told Clinton that ‘direct accusations’ of extremism wouldn’t work because the Republicans were not, in fact, extremists. Rather, Morris recommended what he called the ‘ricochet theory.’ Clinton would ’stimulate national concern over extremism and terror,’ and then, ‘when issue is at top of national agenda, suspicion naturally gravitates to Republicans.’ As that happened, Morris recommended, Clinton would use his executive authority to impose ‘intrusive’ measures against so-called extremist groups. Clinton would explain that such intrusive measures were necessary to prevent future violence, knowing that his actions would, Morris wrote, ‘provoke outrage by extremist groups who will write their local Republican congressmen.’ Then, if members of Congress complained, that would ‘link right-wing of the party to extremist groups.’ The net effect, Morris concluded, would be ’self-inflicted linkage between [GOP] and extremists.’

    “Clinton’s proposals — for example, new limits on firearms and some explosives that were opposed by the National Rifle Association — had ‘an underlying political purpose,’ Morris later wrote in another book about Clinton, Because He Could. That purpose was ‘to lead voters to identify the Oklahoma City bombing with the right wing. By making proposals we knew the Republicans would reject…we could label them as soft on terror and imply a connection with the extremism of the fanatics who bombed the Murrah Federal Building.’”

    That’s why he’s the Big Dawg

    • That’s rope-a-dope at a level too advanced for 11 dimensional chess players.

      • Savvy.

      • Best part, Bill is not lying about the links between OKC terrorists and militas to the right. His speech Friday was 100 percent right. We should support patroit groups,but not hatroit groups(I love bill using hatroit) like the ones bachmann,demint,haywoth, support which are basically white power militas who hate that whites will not be in the majority anymore. As a hispanic I fear for the immigration debate coming up.

        P.S. I am not comparing the tea partiers to white power militas.

        • The RW noise machine and the MSM have both spun soundbytes from Bill’s remarks to provoke the right wing in a Pavlovian way, but it was actually a very thoughtful speech on Big Dawg’s part that can’t be distilled in soundbytes. The only thing I would add to Bill’s comments is the part that Bill isn’t going to talk about (i.e. the abuse of power that’s happening today in the form of corporate welfare happening under both Ds and Rs).

          • Bill is correct in what he said. My only beef is that he will not say the same thing about extremists on the Left and inciting threats and violence. He’s silent on that. Quite frankly, I saw way more swastikas, calls for murder, nooses, signs with of bullet holes, etc when I attended anti-Bush rallies than I’ve ever seen depicted at a Tea Party. And I’ve heard as much, if not more, “potentially violence-triggering” rhetoric from the likes of Farrakhan as I’ve heard from Limbaugh. This sudden flowers-and-roses sensitivity to “let’s all be civil and stick to polite policy disagreement” on the part of people whom I KNOW marched next to signs with nooses around Bush’s neck makes me ill. Fucking hypocrites. I called Bush an evil asshole who was NOT MY PRESIDENT, loud and proud, and if someone wants to call Obama that, who am I to object?

            I get really sick of the double standard, from BOTH sides. Yes, you have to be careful you don’t inspire the crazies. But every conservative is not responsible for the actions of violent righty nutjobs, any more than every Liberal is responsible for the actions of the Weathermen. It’s not calling out the crazies that I object to – it’s the broad brush of using that to taint ALL of the opposition so as to silence or muzzle them that bugs me.

          • WMCB, if you read Bill’s speech (I normally avoid using that source, but it’s the only transcript I could find), he did mention the Weathermen. It’s still not really enough in terms of a nonpartisan person coming out and saying look, left and right both have haters, but the way Bill started out the speech was in saying there’s a desire out there to draw parallels between the circumstances surround the Oklahoma bombing and the political climate today–Bill’s point was that we need to really examine it thoughtfully before *overdoing* it:

            I must tell you, that’s the first time I’ve seen that film and I have, as has been said, continuously gone back to Oklahoma City. I’m going back in just a few days. They’re having a week-long observation of the 15th anniversary. Even now, it seems real to me as if it happened yesterday.

            There was a story in The New York Times today by a reporter who’s been positively – and I say that in a positive way – positively interested in this, drawing parallels to the time running up to Oklahoma City and a lot of the political discord that exists in our country today. That is a legitimate thing to do but I think it’s important before we overdo that to put this in the context of what happened to try to understand what happened then and what it meant for America and what it should mean to all of us in the way that we exercise our citizenship.

            p.s. Glad to have your voice back. You were missed.

          • I’m glad to read the rest, and how he qualified it. I give him a pass to some extent, because he is, after all, a Democrat. I don’t expect him to go after his “own side” as vociferously, or to be completely above turning things to political advantage. I’m a realist. That’s the way the game is played.

            I’m just really sick of this atmosphere of the Left media suddenly and conveniently getting the horrified maiden vapors over insulting or over-the-top speech being part of political discourse. Um…. helllllo? Were these bloggers and reporters not ALIVE from 2000 to 2008?

          • It’s the Born Yesterday coalition.

            Both sides reneg on the idea that dissent is patriotic when it’s the other side doing the dissenting. They don’t get that it just makes their previous dissent look partisan rather than patriotic.

          • (Or they do get it, but they just don’t care.)

          • Bill did bring up the attacks against the right,specifically against the NJ governor on abc today from the SEIU member.

            How can this move below a president when he is telling the truth. Has anyone ever heard of the oathkeepers who bill talks about? Those nutcases hated him as well as obama equally. They hated bill because they thought he was a traitor,because he was a democrat and talked about equality for all. They hate obama for the same reasons and because he is black. Bill never brought up the tea partiers,but fox news and rush sure did. Rush said if anything happens now it is bill’s fault. I and bill both say BS,it would be the fault of beck,rush, and bachman.

            Bill was talking about the militas not the tea paetiers.

          • Here’s how it works for the New Dems, WMCB:

            If Hollywood makes a movie titled “The Assassination of George W. Bush,” it’s free speech, and dissent is patriotic.

            If Hollywood makes a movie titled “The Assasination of Barak Obama,” it’s raycism, and dissent is dangerous and violent, like the KKK.

            Bill Clinton, forasmuch as we love him, is in the position of having to say what plays into the newest meme of the administration for whom his wife works.

            It’s too bad, that such a great man is being used in such a way.

            Shame on you, Bill. I agree with WMCB.

          • Shame on Bill for what?

            And, I don’t think this is just because Hillary is in the Administration that he can’t say much critical of Obama. Sure, that’s part of it. But, even if Hillary was not part of the Administration, I doubt Bill would be able to criticize Obama openly.

          • By critical of Obama, I also mean critical of the Obama Left and their narratives. As it is Bill started by cautioning not to go overboard. There are several points in the speech where he says debate is healthy– even harsh debate. That’s more than I’ve heard any of the “progressives” say when forwarding the meme that dissent in the era of Obama is automatically ugly and hateful.

          • Bill’s qualifying statements (that debate is healthy and not to be stifled) is also more than I’ve heard from rightwingers when the tabels are turned.

          • Mary

            Bill knows what he is talking about. Bill has been there evey year in OK for the annivesary. He is always in contact with them and they appreicate him and OK is a red state. He saw first hand what was done. The speech he gave at the memorial as one left-winger put it was right up there or even better than the Gettysburg address. During that speech you heard a man realizing the dangerous political climate that he was a part of had gone to far. He realized the bickering between right and left got 160 people killed,because mcveigh took that all government is bad and needs to be destroyed to an extreme.

            Bill was talking about the militas who are nuts. The main one he talked about in interviews was the oath keepers. One proud member and leader of this group raped a 4 year old family member. Insead of the oath keepers kicking him to the curb they set up a fund for him,said the 4 year old asked for it, she teased him or entrapped him because he did not like the government,obama supporter, and put her family’s address out there so they could force them to tell the truth. Bill said the tea partiers were good people,but politicans should watch their language because the crazies like the oath keepers who were at cpac will take that it is okay to kill.

            Assination? Derbyshire from the right-wing rag national review said chelsea should be killed so she does not reproduce and if by chance she had kids they should be killed. Not one response from a rightie. What about the guy who shot at the whitehouse he hit the press window. Rush called a 11 year old chelsea the family dog and she had an abortion in the whitehous and not one response from the right. Freerepublic and brietbart’s site threaten bill and hill everyday. When hugo chavez attacked bush the right went nuts. There is a mural in venzulea with hillary’s head cutoff and hug chavez approves of it and you know what the rightie blogs are doing laughing at it a,d saying he is not that bad now. Bill brought up both sides extreamism.

            One question,why should we shame bill clinton?

    • That was a move worthy of Dick Morris, but not a president.

    • Morris is a tool. Isn’t Hot Air the Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh blog. Awesome video of Hillary though. Nice find.

      • I was out of the country when Clinton Derangement Syndrome first caught on. Need to catch up.

      • I wouldn’t believe a word Dick Morris says about anything.

        • I’m sure he’s spinning it. He’s made a career out of CDS and giving red meat to Clinton haters. But, I don’t doubt that Bill was smart enough to know that smearing the right won’t work–but if you give them rope–

  7. It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them,” Obama said. “And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure.

    I think the – “whether we like it or not” – is significant. He could have said the same thing just as effectively without the qualifier. I think it is legitimate to question the dominant military super power role we have assumed. It does cost us dearly in blood, treasure and, too often, respect and goodwill. Of course, it’s how we use the power that is most significant, not that we have the power.

    It’s interesting to note that Palin left out the word “military.” That in itself skews the discussion.

    • I may be over-simplifying, but I think more and more Americans are resenting the “nation building” overseas, feeling that we need more “nation building ” here at home.

      Everytime I hear about Hollywood raising money for Haiti (which is, of course, a good thing), I always wonder what the families in the inner cities of Detroit and Chicago and New Orleans feel re their own needs.

      Just a scattered thought…..

  8. The authors of 13 Bankers are the guests on this Moyers program. Interesting points about our oligarchy. Not much more than has been discussed here (and long before anyone else was discussing it). Though I have mixed feelings about Moyers and his judgment on some issues, there is a funny song from This American Life in the middle (at about the 11:41 mark) that makes it worthwhile.

    • Frontline had a special on last week called “Obama’s Deal” discussing HCR. Made very very clear the secret deals made by the WH, the promise made to insurance companies early on, that the public option removal was the price O paid for getting them “on board,” and how he played political games trying to deny it all from the get-go.

      I was quite surprised at the honesty in the journalism, with interviews with the “players”

      If you get a chance, check it out.

      • It’s here in case anyone else wants to check it out.

      • Now having had a chance to see it, I have to admit, I didn’t see the same “honesty” in journalism that you did. The whole perspective of the program was an Obama puff piece. Like he was being victimized by the Washington as usual crowd, that he persevered and is a better man and a hero today for it. Even while they were describing how he initiated the thing by making a deal with the Devil (Ignagni, the insurance company lobbyist who wouldn’t deal unless there was a mandate but no public option), they painted him as the guy who wanted to do the right thing but was outnumbered.

        If they were being honest, they would show that Obama is an unprincipled opportunist who just wanted to pass something– anything–to stick it to Hillary and to prove that he really was Presidential material. This PoS does neither.

        That so-called librul and progressive Dems went along with him can only be for one of two reasons: saving face or saving their asses (after all who owns the DNC?).

        The whole bill was a bumbling comedy of errors, brought about by people who never wanted to do the right thing and certainly not for the right reasons. That the program danced around that but re-spun it with Obama as a hero is not truth in journalism to me.

        I wish I didn’t link to it.

        • My main point was that the program openly proved that Obama negotiated away the public option LONG before he was out saying he was for a public option.

          And some of the WH deals were made without even Congress knowing about them.

          I also had no idea that Baucus and Daschle were hostile to each other within the Dem Party, and Baucus, quietly, helped push Daschle out of the healthcare discussion so he could be the new lead position.

          I didn’t read the program as an “Obama is a hero” show. They openly condemned him for selling out the public option from the get-go.

          • I agree, they did say he negotiated away the public option and more from the outse, but they did not say it in any way that was at all critical of Himself. It was told as if circumstances dictated what he was forced to do and that Obama expertly played the hand he was dealt, when it seems to me he was the dirty dealer all along.

            Yes, they tell about the deal-making and they do name names, but the piece (as spun) could run as a pro-Obama infomercial.

          • I haven’t viewed the special myself yet, but I have to say that when Mary brought it up, my impression was that it would be spun in a way to leave the impression poor Obie did the best he could and this is how hard it was to get anything passed, which is why the PO had to be sacrificed. I’m not surprised they are dumping the info NOW when there is nothing that can be done. Even their truth in journalism is hidden in between lies.

    • Think this Goldman Sachs thing might have some real legs. Not the legal suit so much, but the spotlight is shining on alot of other bad dominos in the system. Curious how far the mainstream media will take it, because it’s there for them if they want it.

      • But, but , but Three…….Robert Rubin himself said before the hearing that “no one could have foreseen any of it.”

        cough cough

        Re the media: depends on who they’ve been told to “protect:” Citigroup, GE, etc.

        The “tribes” are already taking sides, looking for a single scapegoat.

        • LOL (no one could have foreseen…)

          Make me think that some industries need to be re-regulated so that the checks and balances are in place so that ANYone could have foreseen…

  9. Beavis says Tea Partiers have their redeeming qualities:

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner praised the “positive side” of the tea party movement Sunday, suggesting the movement’s concern with deficits could align the group with the administration in the future.

    • Well Geithner and the Tea Party both agree on low taxes. Guess eventually they’ll also agree on cutting more spending. Better for the haves than the have nots. And the progressives still support this Administration. They do a disservice to the word “progressive.”

      • Beavis is also pushing the Prez to remove the $50 billion slush fund from the Financial Regulation Bill.

        Chris Dodd, the errand boy for the banksters, is resisting.

        • We’ll see if Beavis is for real on that. He was the one pushing for TBTF resolution authority a year ago. If the Dems are saying they don’t believe in bailout safety nets for TBTF, then they need to prove it and lose this slush fund. Both the banks and their creditors need to know they are entirely accountable for their own bad risks.

          • Just imagine, though, what might have happened if the Repubs hadn’t howled and made it public knowledge. Would you have known this info from any Dem sources?

            Yes, we’ll see what the corporate Dems are made of , now. INCLUDING “I’m gonna need a job” Chris Dodd.

  10. I took it quite personally as an American when Obama made his remarks about “whether we like it or not” way before Palin ever said anything in response. If you think that’s the way a President should describe our voluntary military forces, then that’s your privilege, as for me, I will stand with Palin on that issue any day of any week in any given year.

    • I have to agree.

      And I am NOT in favor of American exceptionalism or its imperialist endeavors. (We should not be in Afganistan and Iraq, period.)

      But that phrase “whether we like it or not” was a very poor, awkward choice of words for a president. It reveals some kind of embarrassment. He’s the commander in chief for goodness sakes.

      Imagine saying “we’re the number one baseball team this season whether we like it or not”.

      • I think it would be more like, “whether we like it or not we’re the number one baseball team this season and when other players get caught up in the steroid scandal…”

        It was the placement of his phrase “whether we like it or not” that was clumsy. If Obama had said, “we’re a military superpower, and when conflict breaks out we get pulled in whether we like it or not” would you have bothered you too?

        • Would that* have bothered you too?
          (lol, talk about clumsy)

        • It’s not whether it bothers me. It’s that his rhetoric tells us something about his level of political adeptness. IMO he is not a leader in any sense and this kind of sloppy language shows that.

          As a “super power” we don’t get pulled into conflict whether we like it or not. We “deign” to involve ourselves.

          In this game of politics his opponent, Palin found a chink in his armour and is starting to work on it. (That she is positioning herself as an opponent is also interesting.) This reveals some of her possible strategies.

      • It’s a poor, awkward choice of words, certainly. But though I can’t remember the last time I defended Obama–possibly because it’s never happened–it seems to me that this is a riposte to the tighty righties rather than an apology. While liberals in general are in favor of projecting power to defend victims of oppression–e. g. Kosovo–, right wingers suffer from a schizoid fluctuation between paranoid isolationism and a “bomb ‘em all into the middle of next Tuesday, particularly if they’re darker than medium beige” mentality. Hence, “our power gives us certain responsibilities, whether we like it or not.”

        • Just that he said it while formally addressing the leaders and press of 47 other nations at the summit. Different from say the domestic health reform working session with Democrats and Republicans.

    • The arguments over minutia like that are the reason why they can continue the looting. Something about Nero, a fiddle, and Rome.

      • It’s actually reminding me of the Palin haters making a big stink out of Palin saying the US is “sending our soldiers out on a task from God,” taking issue with the connotations of that part while omitting the part right after that where she said, “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.” That sounds like “Pray that you’re on God’s side instead of saying he’s on your side.” Wasn’t that the common retort to Bush?

        • It’s amazing — there are so many VALID policies reasons to object to with both Palin and Obama, yet both sides focus on inane minutia. {{{bangs head}}}

        • Yeah, domestically the back and forth on this is just politics as usual. Ultimately it doesn’t matter much in country, it’s just noise. Overseas in the other capitals of both friends and foes is where it matters. Everybody watches the US and everybody watches the US President, very closely and more than any other country. These little signals and nuances either make news, or they are interpreted by foreign ministries. CNNI is seen everywhere.

      • True. It’s just one expression in one speech. There’s plenty of bigger fish to fry.

        Nevertheless his choice of words reveal his lack of understanding of the position he holds.

        I find that noteworthy.

    • I took it as more disingenuous posturing, possibly to reassert his faux dove credentials or possibly for the ears of the rest of the world or possibly a two-fer:
      Look, I (we) don’t really want this power but I (we) inherited it and the responsibility that comes with it. It’s not my (our) fault if I (we) use it–I (we) had no choice.

      On the other hand, it could have been designed for exactly what it did:
      - to get Palin and the right to overreact
      - to serve as a distraction

      Or it could have been a real verbal gaffe. You never know anymore.

  11. oh, and some of you are still believing what timmy tax cheat Geithner is saying, give me a break

  12. Bloomberg articles:

    “Clinton Says Rubin, Summers gave him ‘wrong’ advice on derivatives rules” (ie, no regulation at all, in 1999). Well well.

    “Goldman May Face Probes in UK, German” (based on SEC revelations of fraud)

    • Bill should apologize to Brooksley Born on behalf of himself and his former cabinet. That would send an even stronger message.

    • I love Bill, but that was a major failing on his part. He’s smart enough to have foreseen what would happen. I think he maybe had a lot on his plate at the time, and let his advisors run with that one. BAD decision, and I do hold him responsible.

      That said, I also believe that had someone like Bill been in charge when the problems began to become evident, he’d have not just let it continue. He’d have corrected course, pronto. AND he’d have had sense enough to craft it and present it to the American people as a law-and-order issue of preventing financial crime, not as a Big-Nanny-Govt power play to meddle in private business.

    • Here is what Bill actually said — I think this is the best insight I’ve seen, including the fact that there was no way that Congress would have passed any regulation of derivatives:

      I think what happened was the SEC and the whole regulatory apparatus after I left office was just let go. I think if Arthur Levitt had been on the job at the SEC, my last SEC commissioner, an enormous percentage of what we’ve been through in the last eight or nine years would not have happened.

      I feel very strongly about it. I think it’s important to have vigorous oversight. Now, on derivatives, yeah I think they were wrong and I think I was wrong to take it, because the argument on derivatives was that these things are expensive and sophisticated and only a handful of investors will buy them.

      And they don’t need any extra protection, and any extra transparency. The money they’re putting up guarantees them transparency. And the flaw in that argument was that first of all sometimes people with a lot of money make stupid decisions and make it without transparency.

      And secondly, the most important flaw was even if less than 1 percent of the total investment community is involved in derivative exchanges. So much money was involved that if they went bad, they could affect a 100 percent of the investments, and indeed a 100 percent of the citizens in countries not investors, and I was wrong about that. I’ve said that all along. Now, I think if I had tried to regulate them because the Republicans were the majority in the Congress, they would have stopped it. But I wish I should have been caught trying. I mean, that was a mistake I made.

  13. OT: BTD posts what he’s reading lately:

    NYTimes, Krugman, Kevin Drum, Yglesias, Digby, Daily Kos, Booman, and Greenwald (every day).

    With the exception of Greenwald, I’d say his “sources” sure do splain a lot.

    • You’d have to read Greenwald everyday to read the others, LOL

    • He’s working more and posting less. The site activity is down dramatically. Then, it could be the FPers stratregy to transition it back to more legal than political by limiting the posts that spark interest from many of the commenters who joined during the primary season.

  14. First in Africa they tried to blow up Hillary’s hotel. But luckily right before she got there the African government stopped it. Now Chavez and his nut bags want her head cut off. This is the only thing I feared about her being SOS.

  15. Ohio Rep John Boccieri has a case going to the Supreme Court. It is a Funeral Protest Law that he authored.
    Let Them Rest in Peace Act.
    protesters must stay 300 feet from military funeral.
    This still allows free speech but also allows the family some privacy to have the funeral.
    He gave and interview on Fox News talking about it.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • couldn’t they extend that to everyone… these same wackos still come to the funerals of LGBTS

    • It’s a great idea, regardless of which party recommends it. Let these families grieve in peace, for God’s sake.

  16. “In a stunning non story, Palin makes hay out of Obama saying we’re a super power like it or not. Really, that’s the best the right can come up with:”
    ***************
    I figure what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I recall the left attempting to brand Pailin as stoking violence by using the term “reload”.

  17. Ben and Jerry’s has a new flavor, “Flourless Chocolate Cake”

    http://www.slashfood.com/2010/04/06/ben-and-jerrys-newest-flavor-flourless-chocolate-cake/

    • How tacky of them. All those bitter people who wish they could afford to shop at the stores you approve of.

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