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Koolaid Detox Open Thread

Here’s something I thought I’d never see on the rec list at the Cheeto:

Barack Obama, the base appears to have lost faith in you, by icebergslim

And for President Nelson’s statement and his willingness to vote for the GROUND BREAKING legislation, OFA is giving its members scripts and are calling Nebraskans to thank them for Ben Nelson’s vote. Isn’t that just amazing? Calling an obstructionist and thanking him? Have the White House taken its smart bills lately? Oh, let us not forget President Nelson’s kickback or what he gets for his state for his vote.

Anyway, all this makes you wonder how this bill got to this form. It is easy for me to state, lack of leadership from the man at the top, Barack Obama.

We watched all year, especially this summer, Mr. Obama’s aloofness, non-chalant, hands off approach to this bill. We watched Mr. Obama continue to give time extensions to the Baucus Bill. In reality, this is the bill he always wanted. Why? Because this bill caters to all the deals he has made before the bill was even crafted, especially to the pharmaceutical companies.

The ultimate mean and nasty bully who shilled for Obama day and night all through 2008 and well into 2009 has finally awakened to reality. Too late to make a difference, but still she is awake. She is also an insider, basically confirming what we have all thought and what myiq wrote about so eloquently earlier tonight.

And this from a conservative, Mickey Edwards, at the Atlantic: Obama and the Republicans

Edwards attemps to make the case that, while Obama really isn’t a conservative, his positions are much closer to traditional Republican philosophy than those of George W. Bush. I don’t totally buy his arguments, but this still shows that people are both sides of the political spectrum are beginning to see Obama for who he really is. He hasn’t even been President for a year yet, and he’s no longer really fooling anyone. His approval ratings are below 50%. Congress is about to pass a horrendous bill that is nothing more than a giveaway to insurance and pharmaceutical companies. To top it off, the bill contains an amendment that will effectively make abortion unavailable in many states.

Does the Democratic Party even have a future? Was destroying the Democratic Party part of the plan too?

This is an open thread.

UPDATE: Jane Hamsher proposes a political alliance between progressives and the tea partiers.

Left/Right Populist Outrage Will Defeat Senate Health Care Bill

There is an enormous, rising tide of populism that crosses party lines in objection to the Senate bill. We opposed the bank bailouts, the AIG bonuses, the lack of transparency about the Federal Reserve, “bailout” Ben Bernanke, and the way the Democrats have used their power to sell the country’s resources to secure their own personal advantage, just as the libertarians have. In fact, we’ve worked together with them to oppose these things. What we agree on: both parties are working against the interests of the public, the only difference is in the messaging.

The last two paragraphs of Hamsher’s piece are stunning.

Rahm Emanuel has convinced himself that Ron Brownstein is a “liberal” and dismisses all of this as “the progressive backlash against the progressive backlash.” He’s betting that any inadequacies will be forgotten come November 2010 if the Dems can claim a “w” by passing any crap bill and slapping “health care” on it. And that if Congress just spends the next year naming post offices, any objections that Americans might have to paying 8% of their incomes to private corporations who will use the IRS as their collection agency will just disappear.

It’s scary to think that people this obscenely stupid are running the country. All the while, the painfully obvious left/right transpartisan consensus that is coalescing against DC insiders of both parties appears to be taking everyone by surprise.

Jane is mad as hell. I hope she’s right.

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37 Responses

  1. There are still true believers at the Orange place, but they are dropping like flies.

    • The remaining true believers at DK are attacking Jane Hamsher for

      wait for it…..

      proposing an alliance with the tea party crowd.

      http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/20/817242/-Update-2:-Sorry-Miz-Jane-Hamsher.-No.-

      • the time to form a left-right coalition to try to thwart the current reform effort from the path it was on would have been right after 44’s pathetic joint address to Congress on healthcare. It was abundantly clear that we’d be getting a mandate without a public option and that the legislation in effect was going to be a corporate giveway.

        Instead the progs consoled themselves that Obama’s speech was a defense of liberalism and made the case for “reform.” They mooned Joe Wilson. They let the WH marginalize them as the “left of the left.”

        Wish I could say better late than never, but I dunno. I think we’re past the point of return. Hope I’m wrong, of course.

        • Nope. The only thing that’s going to stop this trainwreck will unfortunately be as bad as the trainwreck itself.

        • Yep. Nobody spoke up and that vacuum was filled by the tea party movement. They’re organized and now if there’s a backlash, they’ll capture most of it.

          Of course it always would have been hard for other Democrats to run against a Democratic President from the left–but whose fault is that, again?

          • I don’t think a Hillary’s healthcare effort in 2009 had she been president would have been anywhere in the same zipcode as this mess, but to illustrate a point–

            If this was Hillary Clinton doing what Obama was doing right now, I think she would have been primaried.

            Which is another reason why it would have been better to have her. She would have been under pressure from the left. Not coddled.

          • Well, I think Hillary would have been in a really tough spot. These vile, hubris ridden morons would probably have completely refused to work with her and been out to sabotage her at every turn. Like when she was trying to solve the economic crisis and they tried to stuff her into a closet. It’s not easy being the leader when your party refuses to accept reality and is out to get you and wants to play screw America, we’re pigs at the trough.

          • When Hillary went to the Senate, she wasn’t exactly entering a climate that was ready to work with her. But, she was a workhorse and she challenged people’s expectations of her.

          • Yes–but they’re just so out of control, shameless, and brazen about all this now–it’s as if they don’t care and they’re absolutely convinced the can get away with anything with no consequences. Maybe if the Obama scam had fallen through, they’d be more circumspect. But I don’t know, it’s really over the top at this point.

          • Obama’s win emboldened them, made them the corporatists they had always wanted to be. And, the path they are on is one of overreaching.

          • I hope so, but then, I was convinced Bush and Obama would both overreach their way into losses. :) The lesson of the millenium seems to be that Shameless, brazen overreaching works every time.

  2. It’s good to know that the hopium is wearing off but I just hope their bodily functions don’t start giving out in the middle of detox. All that purple and orange ooze would be gross, and quite frankly I’m not cleaning it up.

    I did hear Obama say he had a mop though, right?

    • It’s good to see that icebergslim learned a great lesson from being so loudly, proudly wrong about absolutely everything. Keep on pontificating, iceberslim. No need for embarassment or a little break to think about what we learned.

      • The only Obot fanatic that it would make me happier to see humbled other than icebergslim is Geekesque. I’d like to see him pilloried.

        • Oh, and I’d love to see Kid Oakland and Meteor Blades in stocks right next to Geekesque. They could do a tour of every state where Hillary won the primary, but the voter were ignored, like MA.

    • Speaking of bodily functions, you realize that the Blogstalkers will blame Marcy and Jane’s vajayjays don’t you?

  3. At HuffPo there’s an interesting dissection of Obama’s leadership style or total lack thereof.

    Like most Americans I talk to, when I see the president on television, I now turn change the channel the same way I did with Bush. With Bush, I couldn’t stand his speeches because I knew he meant what he said. I knew he was going to follow through with one ignorant, dangerous, or misguided policy after another. With Obama, I can’t stand them because I realize he doesn’t mean what he says — or if he does, he just doesn’t have the fire in his belly to follow through. He can’t seem to muster the passion to fight for any of what he believes in, whatever that is. He’d make a great queen — his ceremonial addresses are magnificent — but he prefers to fly Air Force One at 60,000 feet and “stay above the fray.”

    Ouch.

    • Thanks for the link! That guy wrote a book about emotion and politics. He’s a psychologist. That’s an excellent analysis. I’m going to read it more carefully later on.

      • It’s much more thoughtful than what I typically find at HuffPo. I’d like to pick up his book.

  4. There’s another “ultimate mean and nasty bully who shilled for Obama day and night all through 2008 and well into 2009″

    who has finally awakened to reality.

    But as far as I know, he hasn’t apologized for recommending that Hillary be taken out behind the shed and beaten up.

    Carolyn Kay
    MakeThemAccountable.com

    • Well don’t keep it a secret. I know Olberman has about 2/3 awakened, but he wanted Hillary taken in a room and killed.

  5. I always thought it would be hilarious when this day came, but it is actually sad; the country and world are in too bad a shape to have wasted this much time and treasure on whims of Obama and his pals.

    • It is sad, but it’s also frightening that we have a President who seems to be more incompetent than George W. Bush. Apparently Cheney ran the country for 8 years. Who is running it now? Obama is completely clueless about how to lead.

      Obama’s biggest problem is the reason I never supported him. He has no ideology, no real goals to guide him. He doesn’t believe in anything except getting more good stuff for himself. There is absolutely no value, no principle that he would put himself on the line for.

      • I figured that out in December 2007. Why it took so long for the progs to get the message, I will never understand.

      • I agree.

      • I remember sincerely asking an obot for Obama’s pet issue. Hillary’s is health care, Gore’s is the environment, so what is Obama’s issue? They accused me of a “trick question.” For real. They couldn’t even name one issue that Obama cared deeply for. Although one did claim “all of them.” He cares about everything. As our country slides further into the abyss, I’ve lost all patience and all sympathy for the hopey dopey idiots who put us here.

  6. I just got this from Jane Hamsher. Please sign the FDL petition. As a cancer survivor Jane knows whereof she speaks. Personally I’m willing to forgive and forget, and I’m glad to have her on our side. Sign the petition here:

    http://firedoglake.com/

    Hi xxxxx:

    The Senate’s health care bill must be killed.

    It is an ungodly mess of errors, loopholes, and massive giveaways. When the American people find out what’s actually in this bill, they will revolt. Congress and President Obama have no choice but to do better for health care than this bill.

    Sign the petition: the Senate health care bill must be killed.

    How bad is the bill?

    Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations — whether you want to or not
    If you refuse to buy the insurance, you’ll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS
    After being forced to pay thousands in premiums for junk insurance, you can still be on the hook for up to $11,900 a year in out-of-pocket medical expenses.
    Massive restriction on a woman’s right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court
    Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-ays

    Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won’t see any benefits — like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions — until 2014 when the program begins.

    Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others
    Grants monopolies to to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market.
    No reimportation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years
    The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of 4 will rise an average of $1000 a year — meaning in 10 years, you family’s insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now.

    I could go on, but it should be clear: this is not reform. This is a con job.

    Sign our petition: kill the Senate bill.

    Make no mistake, we need health care reform. But the Senate’s idea of reform is a disaster, and will make things far worse than they are today.

    We will continue to fight for real health care reform. Now, we must kill this fake reform.

    Thanks for all you do.

    Jane Hamsher

    Firedoglake

    P.S. Please, after you’ve signed, forward this email to your friends, family, coworkers – anyone you know. It’s critical we act fast to kill the Senate bill, and we need everyone we can on board.

  7. It’s scary to think that people this obscenely stupid are running the country. All the while, the painfully obvious left/right transpartisan consensus that is coalescing against DC insiders of both parties appears to be taking everyone by surprise.

    Scary that people this obscenely stupid blogged for Obama.
    And now Hamshire wants to cozy up to the Tea Party crowd?
    The enema of my enema is my friend? Don’t think so.
    But then the O-bot behavior at the caucuses was similar to the TPers behavior at the town hall meetings so maybe birds of a feather should flock.

    • If you read her posts, Jane does not want to “cozy up” to the Tea Party crowd. She merely acknowledges that we may have a common goal in defeating this bill, and a common alarm at the gross corporate corruption in D.C., and could work together on those narrow issues.

      I personally think it’s brave of her to say that. There were a LOT of libertarian-leaning R’s who were outright appalled at Bush’s warmongering. You want to know WHY they didn’t “cozy up” to the Left in helping us oppose it? Because they would have been pilloried and ostracized by “their side.” They would have been accused of somehow being in league with the dirty nasty socialists on all other issues, and of indirectly validating those things.

      Standing up for the correct action, and encouraging others who agree to do so with you, is the right thing to do. I wish the libertarian R’s had done so in 2003, and they might have, if they hadn’t been afraid of the very reaction you are having to Jane’s post.

      • WMCB is right, I believe, about Jane’s strategy. Apparently, Jane has read Bob Altemeyer’s essential book, The Authoritarians (TheAuthoritarians.com). On page 240, Altermeyer talks about ways to broaden the worldview of RWAs (right-wing authoritarians) and thus harness their enormous energy and zeal to fight common enemies. He says:

        “How can you possibly accomplish that since …they love staying in their tight circles? Through common cause, believe it or not. Low RWAs and high RWAs land on the opposite ends of a certain personality test, but they’re not really, totally, from head-to-toe opposites. They disagree about lots, but not about everything. People tend to overemphasize their disagreements and underrate their commonalities.
        And keep in mind that high RWAs open the door to those who seem to believe what they believe. Find your common grounds, and meet on them.”

  8. Wow. Just wow.

    I didn’t arrive in Pumaland from the political blogosphere so oftentimes I have no idea of whom most of the regulars speak. But that link to the Land Of Orange (the Loo) was a real eye opener. And, I hope no one takes offense, but I find it hard to believe that the articulate adults who post here ever hung out with those idiots. The sheer amount of stoopid floating in the Loo is mind boggling.

  9. well they did it to us again

  10. I must agreed with “wonk the vote” that we are well past the point of a left-right coalition and I also think we might have lost an opportunity to form some kind of a political movement. RD tried a long time ago to get us interested, but it died on the vine. The Tea Party people got organized and they are already a force to be reckoned with! No, we do not agree with all of their agenda, but what about just good , honest and representative government. Can not we agree on that and can not those have the “smarts” put something together that we might be able to unite around?

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