Good Morning, Conflucians!!! It looks like the East Coast is due for a big storm today. It sounds like some of the people south of New England are going to get the worst of it for once, but the predictions are still for about a foot of snow in the Boston area. I’m not happy about that, but maybe it will warm things up a bit here. We have been having temperatures in the teens in the daytime–really cold for this early in the winter around here. The weather channel is calling it a “crippling snowstorm” for the mid-Atlantic and Northeast.
The powerful Gulf Low that brought flooding rains to Georgia, South Carolina, and severe and life threatening flooding, (12 to 18 inches) from Hollywood, Florida to Miami has redeveloped along the Carolinas. This new massive Atlantic storm will continue to strengthen today and bring dangerous heavy snow and even white-out conditions from the Virginias to Washington, DC to Philadelphia to New York City to Southern New England.
A large swath of historic and dangerous December snows of 10 to 15 inches will bury many of the major cities in the Mid-Atlantic to Northeast.
The heaviest snows are forecast for northern Virginia including Washington, DC to Baltimore and Philadelphia where one to two feet of snow is possible.
Winter storm warnings are posted for North Carolina to Southern New England, with Blizzard Warnings for the Maryland coast to Long Island to southern Rhode Island and Cape Cod.
North to Northeast winds will swirl 25 to 30 mph with gusts reaching 40 to 50 mph along the Northeast coastal areas from Atlantic City to Long Island and Cape Cod on today into early Sunday.
It sounds like Riverdaughter, StateofDisbelief, and CWaltz could get hit hard. Indigogrrl says she already has 16 inches where she is!! What are you all hearing where you are? I hope I don’t have to spend too much time shoveling, because I still have papers to grade this weekend. Be careful out there if you are in the blizzard watch areas!
LAST MINUTE UPDATE
BREAKING: Sen. Ben Nelson to announce support for health-care bill
There is still lots of bickering going on in the US Senate and at the climate talks in Copenhagen. Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson is still hoping to find a way to further curtail women’s rights to reproductive health care even though Church leaders in his state are begging him to just get over it and vote for the bill.
HEALTH CARE DEFORM
Think Progress reports on a bizarre conversation about Ben Nelson that took place on Fox News’ morning show. The morning show crew were discussing Nelson’s work on turning women into forced baby-breeders. Steve Doocey argued that Nelson is using his anti-abortion delaying tactics “because he understands the true meaning of Christmas.” I read the article three times, but I still don’t understand what Doocey is talking about.
At the New York Times “Prescriptions” blog, David Herszenhorn writes about the Obama administrations supposed “vetting” of Nelson’s “wish list.” I’m guessing that probably means they are wooing Nelson by giving him everything he wants. According to Herszenhorn, Nelson still wants the Stupak abortion language, he is against the long-term care provisions, he is against reductions in medicare funding, and he has problems with Medicaid expansion.
I can only hope that Nelson and Lieberman together somehow manage to torpedo this horrible bill, but as for their other objection they can go Cheney themselves.
Politico reports that Harry Reid is still “confident” about getting the bill through the Senate somehow.
“Today was a day of long, hard negotiations involving a number of issues and a number of senators. We have made great progress and are pleased with how the discussions have proceeded. Sen. Reid will file the manager’s amendment tomorrow and is confident that it will prevail,” Reid’s spokesman, Jim Manley, said in a statement Friday night.
The statement was a sign of Reid’s apparent confidence that he’ll have the votes to pass the bill before Christmas, as Democrats hoped. Most Democrats have suspected that Reid wouldn’t file the latest changes to the Senate reform plan – called the manager’s amendment – unless he was sure he could bring Nelson on board.
But a day of negotiations with Nelson ended shortly before 10 p.m. Friday without a final agreement that would satisfy the Nebraska Democrat, who wants the bill to include strict language barring federal funding of abortions and include relief for his state from future Medicaid funding obligations.
I’m not sure Reid’s confidence means anything at all. I hope not. I’m rooting for the bill to fail in the Senate and be sent back to the House to be turned into something that might actually help real Americans.
The Washington Post has trotted out Ted Kennedy’s widow Vicki to shill for the insurance bailout bill:
Ted knew that accomplishing reform would be difficult. If it were easy, he told me, it would have been done a long time ago. He predicted that as the Senate got closer to a vote, compromises would be necessary, coalitions would falter and many ardent supporters of reform would want to walk away. He hoped that they wouldn’t do so. He knew from experience, he told me, that this kind of opportunity to enact health-care reform wouldn’t arise again for a generation.
[....]
Ted often said that we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. He also said that it was better to get half a loaf than no loaf at all, especially with so many lives at stake. That’s why, even as he never stopped fighting for comprehensive health-care reform, he also championed incremental but effective reforms such as a Patients’ Bill of Rights, the Children’s Health Insurance Program and COBRA continuation of health coverage.
The bill before the Senate, while imperfect, would achieve many of the goals Ted fought for during the 40 years he championed access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.
I wonder how the administration got her to sign her name to this op-ed. Did they lock her in a room until she signed it? Or did she get a call from Rahm Emmanuel or even the big Kahuna, Barack? I would love to know the backstory.
Finally, at The Boston Globe even Derrick Z. Jackson, a member of an endangered species–True Liberals–argues that we should take “two-thirds of a loaf” and just get something done.
Should reform pass, the Congressional Budget Office and the Medicare actuary say the uninsured rolls will be knocked down to between 18 million and 24 million. Without reform, the CBO, the actuary, and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation estimate we will have between 54 million and 66 million uninsured Americans by 2019.
To be sure, the reductions will not keep America from being a global laughing stock on health care. We will remain the only industrialized nation without universal health coverage. Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean is correct in saying that reform is a giveaway to the insurance companies that historically put profit before coverage.
The system will remain chaotic, and families still may be bankrupted with catastrophic illness or injury. Ten years ago, a United Nations report found the United States to be the top per-capita spender on health care in the world, but ranked only 37th for health system performance. That report cited single-payer Canada as having North America’s “fairest mechanism for health system finance.’’ Our unfairness has a human toll. Of the 25 top-ranked countries in the UN’s 2009 Human Development report, the United States has the third-highest income gap and is tied for the second-lowest life expectancy.
Good Lord! Is that really the best we can do? That’s just pathetic!
On the other hand, the Senate seemingly had little trouble approving massive amounts of money for war this morning.
WSJ: Senate Sends Defense Bill to Obama
The U.S. Senate voted Saturday to approve a $635 billion bill to set the Defense Department’s budget for the remaining 10 months of fiscal 2010, completing Congress’ last piece of unfinished must-pass spending legislation.
The vote was 88-10.
The House of Representatives voted Wednesday to approve the legislation, meaning it will go to President Barack Obama for his signature early next week.
The bill includes short-term extensions of a number of expiring federal programs, deferring decisions on whether to reauthorize them until the end of February. These include a two-month extension of federal jobless benefits and subsidies to people who lost their medical insurance when they were laid off. The federal highway program is also extended for another two months.
In addition, the bill postpones for two months a 21% scheduled cut in Medicare payments to doctors, giving Congress additional time to pass a longer-term provision in the new year.
The Senate isn’t usually in session on Saturdays but has been for the last several weekends as lawmakers attempt to complete their work before leaving town for the holiday recess. The reason for the timing of this vote was because Republicans forced the Democratic majority to use the maximum allotted debate time.
COPENHAGEN CLIMATE SUMMIT
More short-sighted stupidity by our “world leaders.”
George Monbiot, The Guardian: Copenhagen negotiators bicker and filibuster while the biosphere burns
First they put the planet in square brackets, now they have deleted it from the text. At the end it was no longer about saving the biosphere: it was just a matter of saving face. As the talks melted down, everything that might have made a new treaty worthwhile was scratched out. Any deal would do, as long as the negotiators could pretend they have achieved something. A clearer and less destructive treaty than the text that emerged would be a sheaf of blank paper, which every negotiating party solemnly sits down to sign.
This was the chaotic, disastrous denouement of a chaotic and disastrous summit. The event has been attended by historic levels of incompetence. Delegates arriving from the tropics spent 10 hours queueing in sub-zero temperatures without shelter, food or drink, let alone any explanation or announcement, before being turned away. Some people fainted from exposure; it’s surprising that no one died. The process of negotiation was just as obtuse: there was no evidence here of the innovative methods of dispute resolution developed recently by mediators and coaches, just the same old pig-headed wrestling.
NPR: A Climate Accord Bitterly Sealed In Copenhagen
President Obama was in Copenhagen for less than 24 hours. While in the Danish capital, Obama held a hurried series of bilateral and multilateral meetings with leaders from around the world, with all sides engaged in last-minute brinksmanship to avoid leaving Copenhagen empty-handed.
In the end, before a hurried trip home to beat a snowstorm sweeping up the East Coast, Obama claimed success: “For the first time in history,” the president said, “all major economies have come together to accept their responsibility to take action to confront the threat of climate change.”
The wheels of Air Force One were hardly off the ground before complaints were hurled at the five-nation agreement. European nations felt snubbed for not being primary parties to the deal, although they had been closely consulted in the closing frenzy of negotiations.
The Europeans also now find themselves alone in having settled on firm commitments to reduce carbon emissions.
Developing countries expressed outrage that threats to the very existence of some nations were ignored. A session that carried into the early hours of this morning hit a low point when a Sudanese delegate compared the five-nation agreement to Holocaust, because it would leave small island nations at risk of being submerged by rising seas and that large swaths of Africa would be turned into agricultural wastelands as temperatures rise.
BBC News: Climate summit: Where’s the beef?
He came. He did a quick deal. He left.
That was how US President Barack Obama intervened in the global warming conference in Copenhagen and whether he saved it from total deadlock or condemned it to issuing a powerless piece of paper depends on your point of view.
So the result was a political commitment not a treaty one.
The words sound fine enough. “We emphasise our strong political will to urgently combat climate change.”
And: “We shall, recognising the scientific view that the increase in global temperature should be below 2C, on the basis of equity and in the context of sustainable development, enhance our long-term co-operative action to combat climate change.”
But where’s the beef? That apparently has to be added to this sandwich later.
{{Sigh….}}
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My building already dumped a ton of salt in front of the door – although it’s dry here for now – NYC.
I compiled accounts from Copenhagen here
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/hopenhagen-adventures-in-diplomacy-the-jr-jr-edition/
Obama is an embarrassment to the American people. He should just send Hillary Clinton out whenever we need to speak to foreign leaders.
ABC News:
I would guess those missiles were near the end of their shelf life?
That worries me, mainly because of the economy. We’re on an unsustainable path, and the stimulus has done ZIP to jump start things. Our economy is only afloat right now because of massive infusions by the Fed, and the private sector is not kicking in so the Fed can back off. They can’t keep doing this forever.
Historically, the answer to that has been go to war (and I mean all-out war, not limited actions). War is the “stimulus” of last resort. So when I see crap like this, I get alarmed. Our military is stretched to the breaking point, so if we did, a draft would be needed. Wouldn’t THAT be a handy fix for all that unemployment? You could crank up the munitions factories, too.
Tinfoil Saturday.
This Administration is so lackadaisical about job losses that it’s hard not to wonder sometimes. If it walks like a Republican…
Let’s quit blaming all of this on the Republicans. I think the American people in general actually do not mind a war—they just really get upset if we start seriously losing.
As for war and unemployment, military recruiters say they have more than met their quotas; they have waiting lists. They are no longer offering any slack for marginal applicants—such as being able to enlist with only a GED or having marginal ASVAB scores.
I didn’t blame anything on anyone…the current WH is indistinguishable from the GOP/Bush, that was my point.
About 4″ here in Lancaster County so far.
Some accidents being reported because idiot drivers forget snow is slippery.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/19/AR2009121900797.html?hpid=topnews
Nancy and Harry, selling women out in the most significant piece of social legislation since social security!
Hey…they’re not done yet.
The prayer business was in the bill the last time I was trying to read parts of it. BTW, it counts as a qualifying expenditure for Flexible Spending Accounts.
Fine by me as long as the priests and ministers pay taxes on the money they get.
oh jeesh…. priests and ministers have always paid personal income tax.
you can get coverage to go consult your pastor about an abortion, who will consult you not to have an abortion, so problem solved. See, they’re looking out for us wimmenz after all.
There is really no reason any woman should ever vote for a Democrat again. We’re on our own, ladies. The facade of “the party of womens rights” has been cracking for years, and has finally shattered.
I say fuck them all.
Moderate Democrat?
A republican by any other name would still stink as bad.
That figures….
Roe is dead – long live insurers
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/states-may-opt-out-of-abortio-coverage-nelsons-price/
And by “opt out, I mean – PROHIBIT. It’s gone.
This is really an affront to women AND the poor. The rich will always be able to pay for and travel wherever they need to and have their abortions in secrecy without having to worry about dying from one.
This is what a feminist looks like…Aetna needed a new pair of shoes…
Brace yourselves, Northeasterners, it’s a big one. I’m southwest of Richmond VA and we have around nine to ten inches on the ground now and are expecting another two to four. That’s big-time snow in these parts. They’re talking about blizzard conditions with up to two feet of snow in the DC area. My mother-in-law lives about an hour west of here and has 21 inches already.
Why do these climate talks sound eerily like our healthcare negotiations? Accomplishing nothing, but everyone just wants to save face.
The storm is supposed to lose some of its oomph by the time it gets to us. I sure hope so. But I’m hearing we’ll get a foot at least. Of course that’s not unusual for us–but it’s a little early in the winter for that big a storm.
they are already predicting ANOTHER storm here on Christmas Eve…I so hope not. Our oldest son and his partner are trying to get here from SF on the 25th.
My daughter finished her last exam at 5pm yesterday and is trying to get from Boston to Baltimore. SW has changed her flights and just canceled everything for the rest of the day. I’m hoping that she can get out tomorrow, so lets hope it has mercy on Boston.
Just up from AP regarding Ben Nelson agreeing to health insurance protection reform: Nelson claims he also made certain that there would be no public option to compete with private insurers. Sounds like there won’t be any reconciliation bill with the House.
Watch. There will be no ping pong. Nancy will have the House rubber stamp that sucker just as fast as her traitorous little ass can.
Anyone holding out hope that the House would fight has been PLAYED. This was all kabuki. They got what they wanted.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Either this is the bill Obama wants or he is a wishy-washy ineffectual president. Which is it?
The latter. Actually, I don’t think he gives a damn.
whatever happened to the progressive narrative where Obambi steps in to save the day? /snark
Is there anyone left who can pretend to hold out for a day so we can continue Reid’s melodrama up until the last possible second?
Good Morning BB!! Great roundup!
“I’m not sure Reid’s confidence means anything at all.”
Well, considering that a month ago He was completely confident that he had the votes to pass a Public Option — well — his confidence is a joke!
Plus, who wants it at this point?
Two very good points.
Good morning Katiebird! Did you see the piece by Derrick Z. Jackson. He really is a far left liberal, and he thinks the bill should be passed even though it’s horrible. I’m not so sure. Did you see this post at Cannonfire?
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/12/new-and-shocking-can-obama-really-be.html
Obama set it up so that banks could sell people’s houses out from under them with NO NOTICE?!!! This man is truly evil. He is so much worse than I even expected.
Yes, BB. I saw that story at Corrente yesterday and was speechless. I would’ve never expected a Democratic president before Obama to take people’s homes right from under them.
If they strip the mandates, I’d shut up. I know passing anything good (at this point: House Bill, anyone?)
That selling-houses-out-from-under people…. {{{shudder}}}
Yes, I saw that post.
The mandates are one of the things the Ins. co’s insisted on though. I think Obama will fight to keep them. I’m scared. There is no way I can pay even 3,000 per year, let alone 7-8,000.
Here’s the poverty levels — The Manager’s Amendment keeps the subsidies at 400% of poverty. If that’s any help….
I saw that McClatchy story about homeowners being rejected yesterday and thought it was too depressing… it reminds me of Bush’s No Child Left Behind or Clear Skies.
When people voted for Obama, I can’t believe most of them were voting for this.
That is absolutely sick.
I yelled about this on some blogs awhile back – that part of the healthcare plan was a massive POWER GRAB by the Executive branch, to take Medicare out from under the control of Congress, all the better to, in effect, dismantle it. They got tired of trying to do it legislatively, so are doing an end run.
Some on the TeaParty Right pointed it out, but because they framed it in “death panel” language, the Left reflexively poo-pooed it without bothering to look and see if there was a grain of truth in it. (See how the bastards play our ideologies against each other, to raise a covering dust storm over what they are really doing?)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/bernanke-channels-willie_n_378963.html
I read that testimony and that story is completely misleading …
How can that be consitutional?
what constitution?
Since when do they care? The thing that pisses me off about this is that because the alarm over it was raised by some right-winger citizens, the left just reflexively ignores.
That’s their game, people. WAKE UP! We all need to start looking with a skeptical eye at BOTH sides of the political machine, and not just have knee-jerk reactions based on the source of the info. Both sides are in it together to screw over the People, and we need to realize that while the GOP machine itself is an enemy, our right-leaning friends and neighbors are not, necessarily..
I could say the same thing to conservative voters. STOP reacting based on whether there is a D or R label on the TRUTH, and look behind the curtain. They are PLAYING US.
I agree. The death panel language turned me off, I won’t lie, but I do think we need to listen beyond the talking points better and try to understand the substance of what each side is saying. This left/right thing is oversimplified anyway and conservative and liberal labels are outdated in the sense that a person can have views that lean left on one issue and more right on another. People still tend to lean one way or the other overall and adopt the language of that side, but there is a lot of common ground when it comes to opposing the oligarchic control of our country.
Exactly. I’m not saying to swallow something “the other side” says whole. That’s stupid. I’m saying that the truth gets (deliberately, by TPTB) obscured by the right/left framing, and we need to be alert and look closer to see if there is a genuine point in there somewhere, a power play being slipped under the radar.
Neither oligarchy side wants the average citizen, whether D or R, looking behind the curtain. They want us flaming at each other.
It is the grand Kabuki.
the left is asleep… that is what Hope was all about… it’s anesthetic
Sounds like Death Panel language. Heh.
Yep. And you can bet your bottom dollar that Rahm Emmanuel’s brother, the doctor who said (paraphrased) that “old people” had already had a full life, and the limited medical care, in terms of costs, should go to young people……..will be appointed to that panel.
Jaysus.
Ralph you are ever so clever with those insights.
Oh wait…
Ha!
Reid Press Conference – CNN now. (exclamation point?)
He says it will “do so many good things for so many people.” How about a couple of examples?
Well there are several insurance cos.
I’m curious what subsidy levels come out of this.
Now Baucus is saying that Ins co’s “cannot discriminate against “children” with pre-existing conditions.” Did they change that too?
Yes, the other pre-existing language doesn’t happen until 2015 or thereabout.
Hey Ralph!
I won’t take that bet. It will almost certainly never see the light of day.
Nelson is probably referring to the argument that “If Mary had had an abortion…”
Funny thing. According to Luke, Mary herself thought the true meaning of Christmas was
“He hath put down the mighty from their seat,
And exalted the humbe and meek.
He hath filled the hungry with good things,
And the rich he hath sent empty away.”
What do you want to bet that Nelson himself celebrated the birthday of the man who carries the title Prince of Peace by voting for more war spending?
Baucus is calling this a tax cut.
I feel sick
How can you can guarantee people that they’ll be free from “fear.”
I hate them also, everything damn one of them!
can’t watch, had to turn off the tube.
the self congratulation of these motherfuckers is too much.
You can tell by their demeanor.
yes-lots of stammering and stuttering.
and what’s with reid hanging his head?
did he suddenly turn humble or something??
Here’s the pdf of the current Manager’s Amendment: http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/managers-amendment.pdf
The subsidies are at 400% of poverty — that’s a real help. I think.
Is there a chart somewhere of 400% of poverty at various family sizes?
http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/medi-cal/eligibility/Documents/FPL%20Chart%20for%20PE.pdf
So, there’s no slot there for a family of one – are single people just SOL?
what are the levels of subsidies? how much of the forced 15K payment will those families still have to pay?
and who the fuck pays the rest?? oh wait..
Depends what they are, does it not? And what the unsubsidized costs are. Christ on a cracker, how can you be an optimist at this point?
be of good cheer, ralph.
after they raid our wages to pay for the “health insurance” there will still be enough for vodka and cigarettes.
merry christmas!
those motherfuckers.
well as long as you’re not counting on anything except house brand.
government issue.
roll yer own.
I think I still remember how.
I don’t think I ever did that sober so I would have to learn all over again
They can subsidize all day, but if high deductibles, etc remain, it doesn’t matter. When you have $200 in your bank account, get sick, and your deductible is $1000 or $2000, the fact that you have a subsidy for the insurance itself makes no difference. A person in that situation is not going to go get treatment until it gets life-threatening.
Which works out nicely for the pols and the insurance companies, because the pols can crow that they “provided you healthcare”, and the insurance co. makes a bundle since you are paying for insurance that you cannot, in effect, easily use.
Gawd, this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
John Kerry must go! From Jane Hamsher:
Kerry is attacking Howard Dean now. Kerry voted against reimportation of drugs from Canada. Guess which politicans get the most money from the health sector?
1. Barack Obama
2. John McCain
3. John Kerry
4. Arlen Specter
5 Max Baucus
Kerry gets 3 times as much as Baucus!
I was just looking at Aetna pac donations in 2008:
From Chris Floyd Obama and the Supremes Stand Up for Slavery
The fucking Lightbringer has outdone himself again.
If the miserable SOB won’t stand against torture, how can he be trusted to do anything worth a damn?
So Obama “will” close Guantanamo Bay, but “suspected enemy combatants” won’t be persons anymore.
Would appear so, thus infinite detention will not be a problem. Nor would I assume summary execution since they are not “persons” anymore.
Well the poor are going to need something to eat…
Soylent Green is suspected enemy combatants!
I called this weeks ago.
Congratulations. Latin American retirement looks better every day.
but seriously.
wtf did people think would happen?
i am shocked by all the shock.
the writing was on the wall.
how did people expect something good to come out of this?
these people are greedy scumbags with character issues, why did anyone trust them to do the right thing?
I didn’t expect anything, but It’s still very difficult to watch it happening. Just like our loss of liberties under Bush II and now Bush III
SHOOT ME NOW.
naw, shoot someone else.
the resistance needs you.
good plan
I deliberately didn’t go out for bread and milk hoping I wouldn’t survive the storm. Damn snow plows!!!
lol people!
I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL I HATE THEM ALL
Do I feel better now? Fuck, no.
Morning BB!
We got our requisite 20 inches here in SW Va. You’d figure the apocalypse had occured when I ventured out this morning. There were maybe 3-4 cars on the road. It was a little slick so that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We’re only supposed to get about an inch more according to weather.com. I dread when it starts to melt. For the moment though I went with making a snow angels this am and leaving the kiddies a toboggan(made in the usa woohoo, we actually manufactured something here).
I’m not surprised the bastages in DC are selling us out. My strategy is going to be to vote for the opponent of anyone who votes for this health care bill.
OMG! Twenty inches in VA? That’s amazing. Now I feel better about only getting a foot.
I only got three inches.
I’m not touching that one.
I hear that a lot.
Don’t look at me, I’m not either.
We’ve declared a state of emergency in our area. Apparently no one in the area remembers how to deal with the wet, white stuff and alot of folks have been stranded on I-81. Hubby had a dickens of a time getting home after his union meeting yesterday. He spent at least an hour in crawling traffic before deciding to take the backroads home. A 40 minute commute took over 2 hours.
I here by declare the New democratic party ” domestic terrorists”
They are a bigger threat to the health of Americans then Al-Quada ever thought of being.
question
When we vote them out can the new people we put in throw out this trash as it is not to go into effect yet?
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Short answer, yes. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Republicans run in 2010 on a promise to repeal this mess.
Ding ding ding – we have a winner.
I wouldn’t be surprised by anything… the Heritage foundation probably has another contract ready to go.
I’m still hoping it won’t pass, but I guess that’s unrealistic. If the Insurance co’s want it, they’ll get it.
I’m not surprised the bastages in DC are selling us out. My strategy is going to be to vote for the opponent of anyone who votes for this health care bill.
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Me too. I already left a message for Barbara Boxer. There is no difference between a Republican and Dimocrat at this point in time. They are all sell outs.
Nelson is on board:
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1209/Ben_Nelsons_Medicaid_deal.html
They are all bought. R and D. Every damn one of them.
Too bad for Nebraska that current Congresses cannot constrain future Congresses isn’t it?
hmm. Thus harkins comment?
Matt Taibbi says kill the bill… too bad he sold the sellout first…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/18/taibi-kuttner-debate-heal_n_397757.html
I read the transcript of Moyers’ interview with Taibbi and Kuttner. Whatever you think of Taibbi, his responses tell me he’s much more in tune with how the average American is reacting to the Obama presidency–and the reaction is not a positive one.
Kuttner, however, made an interesting remark. He had an opportunity to sit in on a meeting with the Democratic caucus (doesn’t say whether it was House or Senate). Apparently the caucus members said they were being brutalized by their constituents on Obama’s actions, but all of them are afraid to openly criticise Obama. My takeaway? Forget the idea of “more and better Dems” that the fauxgressives are promoting. The Dems are only willing to hold the Repubs accountable–not themselves.
Afraid of being labeled as racist?
My guess is that there are several issues at play:
1) First black president
2) No money from DSCC or DCCC
3) Rahm will make sure they are primaried by someone more conservative
4) Leadership will make sure your bills will never make it out of committee for a vote
Unless and until we can break the stranglehold that the two party system has on our government, the American people will never receive real representation again.
If you can stomach anymore of BO’s historic efforts, he is reported to be speaking on CNN at 1:30 today.
More accurately: BO is scheduled to speak at 1:30 and CNN, among other stations, will be carrying it.
I took a look at the HCR amendment. It’s not pretty.
A “victory” on the backs of women. Again.
Good summary.
Every woman who thought letting these assholes “reform healthcare” should have to memorize it and write it one hundred times.
I am foaming.
no i mean:
Every woman who thought letting these assholes “reform healthcare” WAS A GOOD IDEA should have to memorize it and write it one hundred times.
I got what you meant the first time and it made me smile picturing the all the “Women for Obama” as Simpsons characters writing on a chalkboard.
Those dolts.
When I start getting frantic fundraising calls from PP and NARAL I swear I’m just going to make fart noises into the phone and hang up.
It’s all I can muster at this point.
If these senators, Landrieu and Nelson, get rewarded for holding out, why, in the hell, don’t all 60 of them tell Santa what they want for Christmas? Quid pro Quo, idiots!
Hee Hee
I told hubby that Webb needed to come up with a laundry list of what Virginia needs in order to secure his vote. I mean my God, why not? We’ve had to slash things in our budget too. The federal government covering our medicaid could be utilized to allow us to open up the rest stops that were closed or fund the slashed library budget. Why should La. or Ne get all the perks?
Sanders is on CSPAN
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-senate-healthcare20-2009dec20,0,1299246.story
Here’s something interesting. So the owner of a tanning salong (small business owner) will have to pay extra taxes so that the dispensers of Botox, and other cosmetic procedures do not have to.
Link
Great. The entire party is OWNED. Period. As is the other party.
Don’t look now but I think the GOP may be working their way out of debt to the biggies. If they cut loose, watch out.
Keep dreaming.
Heh!
I work for a Chamber of Commerce and I can tell you right now that the 3 tanning salons who are members will have to close their doors – they are barley making it now. Those 3 salons employ – you guessed it – women. Women who need the small amount they make and now won’t get it so that Nancy P can keep getting her face plasticized.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30776.html
They must be talking about the media narrative they made up as they went along. Certainly nothing real.
Ambinder said something really effed up yesterday too about the activist left not being behind Obama until the end of the primaries.
It’s the new talking point. They did the same history revision when they threw Hillary supporters under the bus: “PUMAS hated Obama irrationally from the very beginning.”
Conveniently ignoring that the vast majority of us said nice things abut him, said we’d be happy if he won, and even thought he’d be great as her VP.
Hell back “in the very beginning” when Obama first announced he was running I was *excited* he was running and *excited* about getting to know more about him. I never understood the hubbub about his 2004 speech–I thought the media’s praise was actually really condescending and weird in tone, as if they were all Joe Biden and surprised he was “articulate and clean.” But, I did not hold that against *him,* I actually felt bad *for him* (little did I know that I would later find out he enjoys this kind of attention and is the type to say, “Morgan Freeman played God before I did.”) It wasn’t until the dirty ass race-baiting campaign that he ran in the South Carolina that I seriously started to question whether I would be able to vote for him if he became the nominee.
“you’re likeable enough, Hillary” did it for me.
Ben Nelson is on CSPAN now.
Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray are perfectly happy to throw women under the bus. Fuck them all!
guess who else says this is “a compromise she can swallow.”
TM of course!
LOL! Still desperately trying to become relevant!
she swallows alot
How did they stop Stupak again?
That’s just terrific. I’m so glad they’re much happier.
Today the corporatist cancer in the Democratic Party became too big to ignore.
I think it’s time we consider the chemotherapy cure–namely voting for the GOP candidate against any Democratic incumbent who supported this horrendous legislation.
If the GOP get back in power, they’ll screw themselves just as much as they did the last time. The ways they do it to the country will be the nasty side effects.
However, we will have burned the cancer out of our own side. The opportunity to elect Democrats unbeholden to the country’s tapeworm class will be there.
Is there any other way to bring it about?
I doubt it. I am personally all for chemo.
I feel like I have a choice between the slow, stodgy, standing army of the oligarchy (the R’s), and the sneaky, subversive, guerilla army of the oligarchy (the D’s).
At this point, I’m starting to feel the guerillas are the more dangerous of 2 enemies, at least for now.
Remember if you sit the election out, the Dems have to make up one vote. If you vote republican they have to make up two votes. Voting third party would be like sitting out the election as they never get enough votes to matter. My understanding is Ross Perot siphoned off the same amount of votes from both parties.
I’m starting to think neither party really cares as long as a 3rd party doesn’t show up and siphon off the votes and the power. They are just passing the power ball back and forth in a game of keep-away from us pitiful little people.
Maybe we can’t punish the parties since the game is rigged but we can send the individual legislators packing.
Nancy Pelosi lugging a case of cosmetic samples door to door or John Kerry pasting labels on ketchup bottles sounds good to me.
The next thing to do is end congressional pensions.
Anybody here knows the outlines of the new Senate bill?
What makes it suck badly (which I believe it does)?
Any bright spot?
KB, you’ve mentioned the 400% of poverty as something that could be positive, what is that all about?
I haven’t had the time to read up on all that lately.
Here is the Kaiser comparison which has the best detailed information,
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/housesenatebill_final.pdf
Leaving out the deductibles, co-pays, etc really low balls the cost to the consumer though. From my understanding. it’s quite likely the $6500/yr plan may be largely junk insurance.
It says it’s based on the “2nd lowest cost silver plan” whatever that is – but I believe it’s described in the bill.
And you’re right, depending on out of pocket maximums it could cost twice as much or even more.
And, if it is largely junk insurance then the talking point about “no more pre-existing conditions” is a big scam.
Marcy Wheeler at FDL has also done some excellent economic posts on what this bill really means to the average family.
Prayers for all those in the storm’s way!
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Here’s a present for everyone, especially me, since this is my pet theory about Barack. Courtesy of Democratic Underwear:
“FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts)
12. At this point I think Obama is a Trojan Horse
I think he’s a member of the other side who was hand-picked to let us think we won.
I don’t believe there’s any such thing as working with him because the whole point of his presidency is to work against us (hopefully without our noticing).
I don’t know whether there is anyone we can work with that will be allowed to get into power, but I’m sure this one is a republican mole.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×7265328
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Karl Rove is unscrupulous, but he’s also a good political strategist. I saw him on Hannity (any port in a political storm) in the run-up to the election, and he could have taken BO down, because you know Rove had the goods on Obama.
But Unka Karl knew that Barry would destroy the Democratic Party for the foreseeable future, so he sat back and smiled his Cheshire Cat smile. And it looks like he’s getting his wish!
At least someone is making out well with Obama.
Obama Chia pet head
Pet rocks, chia pets, beanie babies, and Obama. They are all the same thing (fads), except one of them became president.
Note to self: after a snowstorm it sure as hell is not a good idea to hire a snow plow to scrape your long driveway and then DRIVE out to pay him.
Cost of plowing: $100
Complete Humiliation as your car becomes completely stuck and said plowmen has to go around your stupid ass ~ Priceless.
Ouch!
Hope you stay warm, safe, and unstuck.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30811.html
What is this asshole’s problem? Is it the famous “15 minutes” and he wants to stay relevant.
This whole charade is killing my nerves and on top of it I have to put up with this numbnuts?
Maybe he’s jealous, cuz Nelson got 45 mil
Who the cares about us anyway?
Stupak is the enemy, the Bishops’ Queen. He needs to be knee capped.
And, if it is largely junk insurance then the talking point about “no more pre-existing conditions” is a big scam.
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The CBO example that I read was that in 2016, a family of four with total income 0f $54,000/year, would have an insurance premium of $20,000+. (I presume for a policy with $2-3,000 deductible and 60% payment). The Gov’t would pay ~$10,400 and the family $6,600. (The “real” cost to the family could be double). The out of pocket limit only applies to services covered in the “junk” plan and now there is an annual dollar limit, above which the insurance doesn’t pay.
The now defunct Medicare “buy in” would cost $7,200 for an individual and $15,000 (?) for a married couple. How many un/under employed 55 year old’s could afford that???
A priceless comment from a thread over at FDL:
LOL!
So true…
From our local VA news:
Stranded Drivers:
The Buena Vista fire chief says 500 to 1000 people are trapped in vehicles between the 180-191 mile markers on I-81. The road is not plowed and traffic is not moving. Rescue workers are using four 4-wheel drive vehicles to try to get people to safety. Drivers are running out of gas on the highway waiting for help.
Scary ~ this is where my middle son was stuck last night but finally made it home around 11pm after traveling ALL day from PA.
flockdraw
http://flockdraw.com/fz592s
I’m there! but all alone.
hmnnn, I am too. This is like an episode of Twilight Zone!
Oh Nooooooooo = )
who’s drawing the T-rex then?
me
Okay I went there but couldn’t figure out how to work the paintbox very well. My son did put some nice circles and the words choo choo for me. Sigh. Why am I so hopeless at techie stuff sometimes?
I’m left handed but I can only mouse right handed, go figure. So my stuff looks like crap.
mm/cwaltz — the funkier the better.
Just in from shoveling snow and walking the dog. It is piling up fast. Will have to wait until it stops to really do much. Expect over a foot of snow here in the Phila. area.
I am so happy that my phone line is OK so I can hang out here for awhile!
We have barely an inch here in Northern NJ – not much of a storm yet
Son (Dodge Diesel 4wd truck) had to go to Park City Mall to rescue daughter (Dodge Neon) after work. Her car wouldn’t go anywhere.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73083-national-organization-for-women-opposes-senate-health-bill
Good for Terry. I guess she really was blindsided by the Democrats and didn’t realize they were going to go through with all this Stupakshit.
I don’t think there was anything they could have done as this was a farce from the jump, but I hope once it passes they’re upfront about trying to bring whatever consequences that are within their power.
Seriously–before Stupaksis passed, NOW had put out a statement that was confusing, saying even with Stupak going up for debate the bill was worth supporting. But, after Stupak passed, NOW came out against it. I thought it was a really weird strategy at the time–why support it beforehand and then come out against it? But, I think maybe Terry really just didn’t believe Democrats would sink so low.
Yes–never underestimate the perfidy of the Dems.
Regardless of them getting caught flatfooted, though, it’s not like they had any power to influence the outcome anyway. Kabuki kabuki kabuki. But I hope they gear up for the election, that’s the only time anybody’s going to listen.
too little too late from NOW
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/12/a-good-bill.php
Here is another scenario that could happen. The winter storm moves up from VA and hits DC with total gale force and piles of snow. It is a Donner Pass big blow. The congress is hunkered down in the halls of fame and blame but soon exhaust the stores of the House and Senate dining rooms. The HVAC shuts down. The pipes freeze. Debate grinds forward like a stuck snow plow. Communications are lost. Even Sen. Byrd is lost in the fray. Like the health care bill itself, no one knows what is going on. The pundits ponder. Will they resort to cannibalism?
Hee.