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Monday Morning News and Views

Good Morning Conflucians! It’s been a lost weekend for me. I don’t know if I have the flu or just a bad cold, but I’m really out of it. I’ve been checking in at TC to read comments, but haven’t had the energy to get involved in the discussions. I don’t know how I’m going to get through the next couple of school days; thank goodness I have a five-day weekend coming up!

Anyway, I’m going to share a few stories with you and then open this thread for you to post what you’re reading this morning.

Now this is a really strange story. Am I actually awake and reading this?

Daily Mail: Rom Houben: Patient trapped in a 23-year ‘coma’ was conscious all along

A car crash victim diagnosed as being in a coma for the past 23 years has been conscious the whole time.

Rom Houben was paralysed but had no way of letting doctors know that he could hear every word they were saying.

‘I dreamed myself away,’ said Mr Houben, now 46, who doctors thought was in a persistent vegatative state.

He added: ‘I screamed, but there was nothing to hear.’

Doctors used a range of coma tests before reluctantly concluding that his consciousness was ‘extinct’.
But three years ago, new hi-tech scans showed his brain was still functioning almost completely normally.

As for the zombie health care reform health insurance rescue bill, Democratic Senators are already announcing they will gladly give away the rest of the store:

Senate Dems suggest they’re open to altering health care bill

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the chamber’s second-ranking Democrat, acknowledged he was open to changing the bill’s controversial government-run public health insurance option favored by the left.

“We are open because we want to pass the bill,” Durbin told the NBC program “Meet the Press.”

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-New Hampshire, summed up the situation to CNN’s “State of the Union” program: “Listen, in the end, this is going to be a compromise. It’s not going to be a perfect bill, but it’s going to be a very important starting point.”

If this is the best they can do with a Democratic supermajority, I can’t imagine what it would take to make any real improvements to this joke of a bill. I guess surrender is the latest “health care reform” talking point, because the Washington Post has a similar story.

Public option at center of debate: Reid must find compromise to pass health-care bill

Democrats had little time to savor their weekend Senate health-care victory, as two of the lawmakers who voted to move the debate forward Saturday night indicated Sunday that they will not vote to pass the package if it includes a government-run insurance program.

One member of the Democratic caucus, independent Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.), reiterated Sunday that he will oppose any bill that contains a public option. Appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” he called such a government-run plan “radical.”

“We have a health-care system that has real troubles, but we have an economic system that is in real crisis,” Lieberman said. “And I don’t want to fix the problems in our health-care system in a way that creates more of an economic crisis.”

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), another centrist who supported the move to continue debate but has made it clear he has many objections to the legislation as currently written, restated his opposition to a public plan. “I don’t want a big-government, Washington-run operation that undermines the private insurance that 200 million Americans now have,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Moderate Democratic Sens. Mary Landrieu (La.) and Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) also have deep misgivings about the Senate language — a public option with a state opt-out clause — and have expressed varying degrees of unhappiness about other approaches under consideration.

{{Sigh…. }}

This sounds really ominous:

The New York Times: Wave of Debt Payments Facing U.S. Government

Treasury officials now face a trifecta of headaches: a mountain of new debt, a balloon of short-term borrowings that come due in the months ahead, and interest rates that are sure to climb back to normal as soon as the Federal Reserve decides that the emergency has passed.

Even as Treasury officials are racing to lock in today’s low rates by exchanging short-term borrowings for long-term bonds, the government faces a payment shock similar to those that sent legions of overstretched homeowners into default on their mortgages.

With the national debt now topping $12 trillion, the White House estimates that the government’s tab for servicing the debt will exceed $700 billion a year in 2019, up from $202 billion this year, even if annual budget deficits shrink drastically. Other forecasters say the figure could be much higher.

In concrete terms, an additional $500 billion a year in interest expense would total more than the combined federal budgets this year for education, energy, homeland security and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Politico: Forecast for Dem primaries: Ugly

The most closely watched Senate primary is in Pennsylvania, where Sen. Arlen Specter and Rep. Joe Sestak are slugging it out in unusually personal terms.

Specter has cast Sestak as ineffective and opportunistic, attacking him for his failure to register to vote in Pennsylvania until shortly before launching his 2006 congressional campaign and labeling the two-term congressman as “No Show Joe” — a reference to the House votes Sestak has missed while pursuing the Senate nomination.

Not to be outdone, Sestak has assailed the party-switching incumbent’s character, referring to Specter as a “flight risk” for Democrats and reminding the party rank and file of Specter’s decades-long career as a Republican. Last month, Sestak launched a website dedicated to “The Real Arlen Specter,” featuring quotes Specter would rather forget and past tributes to the five-term incumbent from a cast of GOP heavies including President George W. Bush, Sen. Rick Santorum, Vice President Dick Cheney and Bush adviser Karl Rove.

Arlen Specter really isn’t a Democrat, you know….

This story is horrendous.

Story of an American Detained Overseas

Last month, an American citizen who spent over a year imprisoned in the Middle East was quietly freed by his captors in the United Arab Emirates. That man, Naji Hamdan, is now reunited with his family in Beruit, Lebanon. In his first broadcast interview since being freed, Hamdan spoke to me about his ordeal.

Hamdan is a 43-year-old Lebanese-American who spent 20 years living in southern California. Until three weeks ago, he was jailed by the UAE in a terrorism case still shrouded in mystery.

Hamdan spent 14 months behind bars in what he and his attorneys from the American Civil Liberties Union call “proxy detention,” suggesting that Hamdan was detained by the UAE at the request of the United States.

And did you know there was a radiation leak at Three Mile Island over the weekend? Phew! Deja vu or what?

OK, I’m out of steam. Please post your links in the comments and have a marvelous Monday!

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  1. Thanks, for posting BB. Sorry you’re not feeling well. Do the minimum and rest at every opportunity.

    • Thanks purplefin. I just have to teach a class this afternoon and give some make-up exams. Then it’s back to bed. I’ve been sleeping about 12 hours a night.

      • That’s because you need it. I have chronic fatigue. I still have to learn over and over to give in to the desire to rest, and give up our cultural push to be superwoman. When you feel better, you’ll be back to your very highly functioning self.

        • purplefinn — I was diagnosed with CFS and now have fibromyalgia (FMS) … let me know if you wanna talk.

          BB — Hope you are feeling better. Rest and electrolytes.

        • I had chronic fatigue for 15 years, and still ahve to be careful of overextending myself. It’s been a long journey, and completely changed the course of my life. Nice to know there are others here who understand.

      • Hugs BB, had some type of crud, of unknown origin and could not get myself out of bed.

        Sleep is so healing, get as much as you need.

      • Get well soon bb!

      • Feel better soon, bb. Sleep is the best thing for you.

        If you develop a cough, please see a doctor. It’s the easiest thing in the world for flu to go over into pneumonia.

    • Get well soon (((BB))))

  2. The Rom Houben story tapped into my deepest fears. I’m glad he came out and managed to be sane. I would have been psychotic is the first month. That’s why I’m a DNR.

  3. We all know what a pious man Sen. Lieberman is (just ask him and I’m sure he will agree). Yet he calls a public health care option “radical”. Perhaps the good Senator from Connecicut should consult with his rabbi on that.
    The Shulchan Arukh ( Manual of Jewish Law) states:
    “When poor people are ill and cannot afford medical expenses, the community sends them to a doctor and the medicine is paid for by the communal fund.” ( Tzitz Eliezer 5:4)

  4. Rep. David Obey threatens war surtax if Obama commits more troops to Afghanistan.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-david-obey-warns-president-obama-afghanistan-war/story?id=9126805

  5. Hubby and I “ran away” for five days and just flaked out – we both needed it, but I’m glad to be back to TC – I missed you guys – but we didn’t even check the news but I wasn’t too surprised to find out that the rfs did it again in the dark Saturday night.

    BB – take care of yourself -{{{{hugs}}}} sleep, sleep and sleep.

    A friend sent me the clip from SNL

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    – Can they actually be coming out of their kool aid induced stupor?
    Too late boyz – you put him in office and he’s really scr@wed things up.

  6. The Phantom Menace
    By Paul Krugman

    A funny thing happened on the way to a new New Deal. A year ago, the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; today, the reigning doctrine in Washington appears to be “Be afraid. Be very afraid.”

    What happened? To be sure, “centrists” in the Senate have hobbled efforts to rescue the economy. But the evidence suggests that in addition to facing political opposition, President Obama and his inner circle have been intimidated by scare stories from Wall Street.

    But in a recent interview with Fox News, the president sounded diffident and nervous about his economic policy. He spoke vaguely about possible tax incentives for job creation. But “it is important though to recognize,” he went on, “that if we keep on adding to the debt, even in the midst of this recovery, that at some point, people could lose confidence in the U.S. economy in a way that could actually lead to a double-dip recession.”

    What? Huh?

    It took me a while to puzzle this out. But the concerns Mr. Obama expressed become comprehensible if you suppose that he’s getting his views, directly or indirectly, from Wall Street.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/opinion/23krugman.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1258975356-dRkLBfDxIQL1Xluu4QLPOA

    • Dear Paul:

      Everything you need to know about Obama politically is one name:
      R.A.H.M. E.M.A.N.U.E.L.
      When a person chooses their secretary of state they are picking their most trusted friend and political soul mate. He sure kept Emanuel in the closet during the primaries and GE didn’t he?

      TeresaInPA

  7. Amateur Hour at the White House
    by Leslie H. Gelb

    President Obama’s nine-day trip to Asia is worth a look back to fix two potent problems, past and future. First, the trip’s limited value per day of presidential effort suggests a disturbing amateurishness in managing America’s power. On top of the inexcusably clumsy review of Afghan policy and the fumbling of Mideast negotiations, the message for Mr. Obama should be clear: He should stare hard at the skills of his foreign-policy team and, more so, at his own dominant role in decision-making. Something is awry somewhere, and he’s got to fix it.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-22/think-before-you-travel/?cid=hp:justposted6

  8. “Interests, not emotions, dominate the world of realpolitik.” Gee…where have I heard that befoe? Oh yea, from the SOS who actually has a sense of political reality, and did not promise rainbow ponies she cannot deliver.

    Obama’s Nice Guy Act Gets Him Nowhere on the World Stage

    Barack Obama looked tired on Thursday, as he stood in the Blue House in Seoul, the official residence of the South Korean president. He also seemed irritable and even slightly forlorn. The CNN cameras had already been set up. But then Obama decided not to play along, and not to answer the question he had already been asked several times on his trip: what did he plan to take home with him? Instead, he simply said “thank you, guys,” and disappeared. David Axelrod, senior advisor to the president, fielded the journalists’ questions in the hallway of the Blue House instead, telling them that the public’s expectations had been “too high.”

    Upon taking office, Obama said that he wanted to listen to the world, promising respect instead of arrogance. But Obama’s currency isn’t as strong as he had believed. Everyone wants respect, but hardly anyone is willing to pay for it. Interests, not emotions, dominate the world of realpolitik. The Asia trip revealed the limits of Washington’s new foreign policy: Although Obama did not lose face in China and Japan, he did appear to have lost some of his initial stature.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662822,00.html

    • Can you imagine the outcry from the “left” if Bush had allowed Karl Rove to field press questions during an important foreign visit?

    • Anyone else noticed that Obama’s stature is not appearing very bold. He seems to be slumping in that picture and looks defeated!

      Also, love how Axelrove’s answer to Obama’s shortcomings is IT’S THE PUBLIC’S FAULT FOR HAVING TOO HIGH OF EXPECTATIONS … at least the world is getting a clue — Obama hosting an amateur hour is dead on!

      • He does look tired, but then he’s not used to actually having to work, to be present or to deliver anything except a “present” once in a while.

    • Obama has never worked a day in his life. He is accustomed to adoring crowds, who love him because he is him. He’s like a child who has never been told no and has never had to fight for anything. He expects world leaders to see him as his adoring fans do, and recognising his greatness, they will fall before him. He is out of his depth and I’m not certain that he has the capacity or character it takes to learn the system well enough to use it. What’s more even if he learned the system, he does not have the passion, or compassion to exercise the system for anyone else’s gain but his own. He’s not very three dimensional, a fascinating case study. His governing is so much worse than I expected – it’s unbelievable.

  9. Barack Obama dream fades as China visit fails to bring change
    Even his allies feel let down by the president’s lack of progress both in Asia and at home

    The real problem may be Obama’s friends — or rather, those among his formerly most enthusiastic supporters who are now having second thoughts.

    The doubters are suddenly stretching across a broad section of the Democratic party’s natural constituency. They include black congressional leaders upset by the sluggish economy; women and Hispanics appalled by concessions made to Republicans on healthcare; anti-war liberals depressed by the debate over troops for Afghanistan; and growing numbers of blue-collar workers who are continuing to lose their jobs and homes.

    While many Democrats remain unswervingly loyal to Obama — and would rather blame President George W Bush for most of America’s ills — there has been no escaping a damaging sense of disappointment in liberal circles that a historic presidency is failing to deliver on its promises.

    [This is my favorite section re: Greg Craig] This kind of White House infighting is par for the course in most presidencies — but Obama was not supposed to be the kind of man who jettisons old friends at the first hint of trouble. [WTF? Oh no, WHO could have sent THAT coming?! He’s never thrown anyone under the bus before right?]

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6926987.ece

    • seen, not sent…

    • ROFL… his Grandmother who RAISED HIM, in a very nice upscale neighborhood, is under the bus in heaven. Women are under the bus, gay people are under the bus, his pastor whom he named a book for is under the bus.
      Are these people blind?

  10. Meanwhile, thousands sleep out in the cold to meet Sarah. Now people are projecting their anger, disappointment, and fear on to her as a potential savior. Maybe we’re just too primitive a species to make realistic decisions. The pendulum swings the other way again.

    Thousands Sleep Out Overnight at Barnes & Nobles in Roanoke, VA

    http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0911/palins_roanoke_visit.html

  11. A government’s job is to secure the rights of life, liberty and property. Anything beyond that becomes restrictive and intrusive, and may do great damage to the strength of the state and to the creativity of the people.

    For example, a kidney transplant can mean the difference between life and death. Should the government keep a database of blood and tissue types, so that when someone needs a kidney, the government can find the optimal match and compel that person to donate their kidney? Should there be a “communal fund” of kidneys?

    After all, is it fair for the best donor to walk around with two good kidneys, while the recipient has none?

    If you are willing to allow kidney donation to continue to be voluntary, why should health insurance not be treated the same way?

    • Healthcare comes under securing life. Affordable health care comes under securing liberty and property.

      Got any more right-wing canards to offer?

      • Now we have a constitutional right to health care? Yeah sure, about like the constitutional right to a 4 bedroom house.

        Where is this magic?

        • The government is supposed to promote the general welfare so yes, I would say health care is a right.

          • Hardly, unless you want to quote “Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness” from the Declaration of Independence like someone did here the other day as part of the Constitution.

            Until legislated and ruled on as such those type of “rights” don’t exist in our constitution. That’s why it has lasted as long as it has to date as a living document.

            Jefferson had it right I think. When governments give you rights, they take away some of your freedoms. Personally, I prefer living free.

          • Life liberty and pursuit of happiness aren’t in the Constitution. They are part of the Declaration of Independance.

            However the Constitution does provide the means for the government to provide for the general welfare of its population.

        • If you have a constitutional right to life, you also have a constitutional right to that which is necessary to support your life. The difference between, say, an arterial bypass, and a four-bedroom house is that lack of a four-bedroom house is not a life-threatening condition.

          A four-bedroom house, if it has any justification at all in our founding documents, comes under the “happiness” criterion.

          But–oh wait. That would be you invoking the Declaration.

        • Well, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, for starters. Yes, sure, it may have no controlling legal authority here, but it’s still a grand statement of humanitarian principles that have evolved over time.

          • All that’s left is to turn that humanitarian principle into a constitutional right. Think we’ll get that done this week. It does no good to quote imaginary “rights” as justification. In fact, it’s harmful in actually getting something accomplished.

          • It’s not imaginary, Ralph. Some of us believe in basic principles of human rights. To pretend that “rights,” as you insist on calling them are imaginary doesn’t help either. Narrowing the definition of rights that is accepted by the entire world, including us when we need to justify our actions or indict sone other country, is as harmful as anything else. I’m not citing Rawls’ theory of justice, I’m citing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, for god’s sake. We still belong to the UN, right?

      • “Affordable health care comes under securing liberty and property.”

        really?
        since when?

        • Actually we’ve acknowledged it as promoting general welfare for YEARS. It’s why when you go to an emergency room for health care they don’t turn away the uninsured.

        • Check out medical bankruptcies and loss of assets, including homes and other real property.

          On a more basic level, we now have a class-based society in which the degree of freedom enjoyed by any individual is directly proportional to that person’s bank balance. Apart from the fact that illness restricts freedom by its nature, and does so in an ethically unsupportable way when the illness can be prevented by appropriate medical care, illness causes further loss of freedom when it significantly reduces the ill person’s assets.

          • Losing your belongings is not the same as losing your life though. You have a chance to rebuild after bankruptcy. It’s a tough slog fraught with more and more chances to be dragged right back into the pit known as poverty but it is doable.

            Overall I do agree with you though. The government would be promoting the general welfare much momre effectively if it didn’t require its citizenry to give up all their worldly possessions in a trade off for their life following a illness.

            furthermore we aren’t even taking into consideration the 45,000 lives that are forfeit as a result of not getting preventative care and hitting the ER too late for the mediocal professionals to do a thing for them.

        • because you can not function in the modern world with out it.
          Now go back to Rightwingnutlandia please.

    • MKS:
      Wouldn’t you be happier back at your Libertarian blog?

      • You don’t have to be Libertarian to believe the best government to be the smallest possible to the task. That’s also the Jeffersonian Democrat view.

        Remember, a government big enough to give you everything you want can also take away everything you have.

        • Gee, RalphB, you’re scaring me.

          I better go stockpile some guns and start my own militia.

        • Heh

          Yeah small government is working out so well just ask the folks in New Orleans or the ones who had a bridge collapse on them or the people and kids who have died as a result of not having products inspected……..

          • We don’t have small effective government! We have a bloated and ineffective mess pretending to be a government. Care to try again?

          • and decreasing its size when it is ineffective as it stands does what? That’s right nothing…..you try again.

          • Small government works when the population is also small, the people are directly involved in their governance, and the government is consequently responsive to the people. Not so much under our current conditions.

          • Government has to get bigger with the population governed? That’s incoherent. Government was much smaller in prior decades in the US and was much better at the same time.

            Growing it certainly didn’t make it better. It just made it more bloated and ineffective.

        • Whatever it’s size, government needs to be held accountable. Blackwater. No-bid contracts. Outing our own agents. Faking WMD evidence. Starting unnecessary wars. I could go on.

          The UK is ready to take on “The Iraq Inquiry” http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/

          • I agree. It’s absurd the government and its players seem to have less accountability then its average citzen. If I hear one more lecture about MY responsibilty to save from people who ran up a 12 trillion dollar debt I’m gonna scream.

        • When did cooperation get to be a bad word? Universal Health Care is merely a cooperative system for delivering a basic need. Government is the most convenient and efficient vehicle available to organize it. The private sector has had more than enough rope to hang itself. Enough is enough.

        • ralph, health care is basic, not a luxury. Pay your taxes and get over it.

          • I’m no wingnut so feel free to keep your precious so-called liberal BS to yourself. I want UHC as much as anyone else but I want Medicare for All with a public option, not some psychotic bullshit like is being proposed by the Democrats now.

            UHC, if done right, would not increase the size of government one iota. Arguing for the ineffective garbage we have now in DC is frankly absurd. I thought you were better than that.

          • You know, Ralph, if you’d said that up front, you’d have had a lot of people, including me, agreeing from the git-go instead of veering off into the constitutionality of UHC. Medicare for All (everybody in, nobody out) is exactly what I’d like to see. I certainly want to see the current bill with its Stupik amendment consigned to oblivion.

        • ps..

          stay off the roads, do not call the police, stay out of our libraries and museums, educate your children yourself, do not complain when you get salmonella and do not ever again take a prescription, do not collect SS and do not take medicare when you turn 65 because the government pays for all of those things too.

          • ps.. could you be a little more absurd?

            Roads, police, fire departments, most libraries and museums, as well as, the education systems in the states have almost nothing to do with the Federal government.

            I will happily take SS and Medicare, since I paid for it through taxes. Where do you think the government gets money, thin fucking air. However, I won’t make an attempt to take yours.

          • All the things Teresa mentioned are heavily subsidized by the federal government, either through taxes, direct subsidies or grant programs. Homeland Security has been pouring floods of money into local law enforcement for the last 7 or 8 years, as has the DOJ. Libraries, museums and related institutions get NIH and NEA money. Interstates are most certainly federally subsidized through taxes as well as block grants to the states. Etc., etc..

    • Heh

      There is a huge difference between compelling someone to give up their vital organs with no guarantee that the organs they are giving up might be vital some day and compelling someone to pay taxes so that people who are sick can get seen at the doctors office but if you didn’t know that to begin with I’m not sure that you aren’t too far gone to have a rational conversation on the topic.

      • And in countries with “everyone in and nobody out” the bill per capita is half that of the US system… what part of “that’s crazy” do Americans not get?

    • Here’s where MKS should live – the Libertarian Paradise:

      • Yeah, doing things for the public welfare is so boring and Un-American.

        • If a two year old gets sick then who cares right……I mean so what if that kid dies and all the potential of that kid dies with it. As long as we have that teensy tinsy government that doesn’t pick our pockets. (rolling eyes)

          The problem with conservatives and their argument for small government is the same as the fundies arguing that evolution isn’t real. Even if somehow you manage to prove that what we have today is ineffective(AND CONSIDERING YOU SPENT 8 YEARS CHIPPING AWAY AT IT) you still haven’t made the argument that making it smaller does anything other than decrease taxes for the rich. I’m not buying what they are selling anymore than I’m buying what the Dems are selling these days.

          • You think Bush shrunk government? He did no such thing. Government actually got somewhat smaller under Clinton. Bush grew it like a garden full of weeds. Bush grew the size of government more than any president in our history.

          • yes, he shrunk parts of it to almost the practical point of extinction. Just because you adda whole bunch of soldiers to the government roles doesn’t mean you have expanded all of government. We know for a fact that there were repeated attempts to close portions of the FDA despite the fact that tainted products were making it to the shelves and that wasn’t the only area where he took a hack saw to. We won’t even get started on how he decided that mercenaries were the way to go or other areas where the government has allowed the private sector to rape the private citizen with little to no regulatory control over their actions.

          • Bullshit.

    • MKS:

      So the inevitable result of UHC is that the government will start a “communal kidney fund”?

      They”ll start breaking into peoples’ houses in the middle of the night and taking their kidneys?

      I mean, we’ve seen it happen in other countries with UHC, like Canada, France, and Great Britain, haven’t we?

      Haven’t we??? :roll:

      • Don’t mock, I hear there are already twice as many Canadians who come here fleeing kidney stealing commando squads as the ones who race here for the privilege of paying tens of thousands out of pocket for surgeries and hospital stays.

        • Don’t worry I hear that if you sing “God Bless America” really really loud the commie Canadians won’t be able to spread their socialist cooties with you.

          (heehee)

          • Lol! Vampires have garlic, Superman has kryptonite, kidney harvesting commies have patriotic songs. :)

        • yeah and they infiltrate our comedy troops….bastards

    • Didn’t need no welfare state . . . everybody pulled his weight”

    • what? Do health care dollars live in your abdomen? We all pay taxes for things we do not like.

  12. Interesting and disturbing Whispers of Surrender in Afghanistan?

    Can we please get out of there now?

    An Afghan source in Kabul reports that U.S. Ambassador in Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry is holding secret talks with Taliban elements headed by the movement’s foreign minister, Ahmad Mutawakil, at a secret location in Kabul. According to the source, the U.S. has offered the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar and Nuristan provinces in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases.

    • From where I am sitting size isn’t the problem with government, it’s effectiveness. The conservative side has yet to convince me that things would be better if the already large and ineffective government were just shrunk. No all they have convinced me is they will be able to pocket more money and I am not convinced THAT matters one whit to the general welfare of our country.

      • We have a bloated and ineffective mess pretending to be a government at present. That’s patently obvious.

        The last effective governance we had in this country was before 2000. Prior to that, I think you have to go back to the ’50s or ’60s to find good government.

        The general welfare in America doesn’t seem to be related to the size of government so much as it’s effectiveness. Since small organizations are easier to control, I would favor smaller government. With the current crowd in charge, nothing would make a difference.

        • Size doesn’t determine control as much as regulation determines control. The one area I was somewhat hopeful on in regards to Obama was transparency. Of course, he didn’t really mean it but it was a beutiful pipe dream to believe the government was going to give the people paying the bills a seat at the table.

          • Size matters for control purposes in projects of all kinds. Good government is an ongoing project, not a static set of unchanging regulations.

          • Who said anything about a static set of regulations? It’s the conservatives that believe that the Constitution is static. The rest of us tend to believe the government was made to be responsive and regulate as necessary.

          • You seem to have a talking point. When you talk about regulations, you mean everyone but the government. Where as when I talk about control, I mean control of the apparatus of government so that it actually does the job it should and not just ignore issues. For example, the SEC for a very long time did not regulate squat and that helped form the last bubble and the current problems.

  13. Wow! I’ve had dreams like that. I wake up paralyzed and try as II might I can’t move. I can’t imagine living in that hell for that length of time without going insane.

    As to what is going on around us:
    A friend is retiring, he’s 7 years my junior but to look at him you wouldn’t know it because he’s spent his time doing maintenance in a heavy industrial setting.
    He has a pension that will cover his COBRA payments so he can keep his health insurance plus a buy out that he plans to put in an IRA so the government doesn’t take it away from him.
    He was hoping to find another job to cover daily expenses but that’s not looking too good.
    Both the pension and the buyout are coming from the company that sold the business as the new owners don’t pay anything in benefits to the employees.
    His plant is going gang busters since it’s one of the few open shops in the new owner’s corporation. They have labor contracts coming up so they are stock piling product because they have no intention of settling a strike if one should occur.
    Too bad Obama never had to work for a living.

  14. random thought
    how does ” pro-birth , anti life,insurance company bounty bill
    sound for a name for this atrocity of heath care bill?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  15. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8368785.stm

    In not planning for energy use and not enough investing by south American governments blackouts almost daily.
    I do not know if fuzzybear is around but if he is I would love to hear his take on this.

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  16. Channeling the Gipper Fineman finds another nugget of truth. For inspiration, Obama looks to Reagan.

    That would be one explanation anyway :-)

  17. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8373769.stm

    I read somewhere that this could be the latest bubble.

    BB

    I wish you well. Get better soon we need your voice.

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  18. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8367301.stm

    This could be an important find. I would like to get RD’s and WCMB’s take on this.
    If one drug hurts but a new one helps that could make a difference in effective treatment.

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  19. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/23/financial/f081146S83.DTL&feed=rss.business

    Backtrack just took over GM and now the company wants European governments to bail them out too.
    Somehow or other I think that will go over like a lead balloon.

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  20. Apropos to today’s thread:

  21. this is quite a solid read on the dollar and gold as a result of the Federal Reserve’s continued attempts to debase our currency and continue to try to solve a debt crisis with more debt: Gold Price Blasts to $1,170 as US Dollar Plummets

    here’s an excerpt: “The second proposal, sponsored by Representative Ron Paul of Texas, would allow Congress to audit the Federal Reserve. Again, without debating the merits of the proposal, reducing the Fed’s independence and giving Congress a more active role in monetary policy has the potential to make easy money a permanent fixture. With Congress a political body that is forced to run for re-election to keep their jobs, the pressure from constituents for benefits is unending. Their incentive to audit tighter policy, should that day ever come, would be much higher if their constituents back home are struggling and a more hawkish Fed emerges.”

  22. http://www.dailytopseven.com/readmore.php?newsid=ODcz

    Didn’t many of our ancestors come to this country to get away from religious domination?
    If religion is now going to interfere with the running of the government then they should pay taxes.
    This angers me. Why should those who do pay taxes be subjected to the will of those who do not.

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    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • I blame Obama for many things. But divorce? I mean c’mon these guys are reaching. The rate was climbing under Bush too.

    • no, they came here to get away from other people’s religion dominating. Fortunately the founders knew that keeping religion out of government (NOT religious people out of government) AND government out of religion was the only way for both to flourish and they were JUST as concerned that religion flourish as government.

      • The Pilgrims and Puritans were VERY intolerant of other religions and flavors of Christianity.

        They weren’t too nice to the Native Americans either.

        • that is why I said they came here to escape other religious domination. Not freedom from religion.
          But what you have said is a way over simplification of our history.

  23. Feel better, bb.

    God, the poor man. That’s horrifying.

    I really don’t understand the point of the Coakley piece in the Globe today. They seem to be blaming her for not being psychic. The priest was bothering the three kids with creepy, disgusting statements, but hadn’t actually molested them. But she was supposed to mount a full scale prosecution against him in order to encourage his other victims (who she had no way of knowing about) and force the Church to give up this huge stack of documents about the coverup (which she had no way of knowing about) to blow the thing wide open (when she couldn’t know the extent of it). I don’t know. My neighbor was like, I don’t like her because of some other case where I feel like she was overzealous as a prosecutor, but this, this is ridiculous, I’m voting for her now.

    • I mean, it’s a sad commentary on the volume of horrific crimes against children in our society, but I doubt the Child Sex Crimes Unit could afford to devote that many resources on a case involving a backrub and lewd comments when they undoubtedly had so many worse cases on their plates at the time.

  24. Take away their tax exempt status. Jeez..

  25. http://www.maniacworld.com/crane-meets-house.html

    this video made me think a weird thought.
    the crane = the American people

    the tree root = the debt due to poor judgment in government spending

    the house = what happens when the American people have had enough

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  26. rest sleep and get well BB we need you hugs.

  27. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/us/23sewer.html?hp

    This story, juxtaposed with unemployment figures, illustrates both the need for and the failure of government. If stimulus moneys were plowed into infrastructure projects, jobs would be created, public health and safety conditions would improve, and, when the re-de-pression dissipates, the country would be in much better shape to get back to attract and support new business.

  28. http://news.aol.com/philanthropy/nc/article/school-sends-home-backpacks-full-of-food/780316?icid=main|main|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Fphilanthropy%2Fnc%2Farticle%2Fschool-sends-home-backpacks-full-of-food%2F780316

    This is heartbreaking. We’re one of the richest friggin’ countries in the world and these poor children are hoarding food to survive the Christmas vacation. This country should hang its head in shame. Where are the “moral responsibility”Republicans in providing for THESE children. Oh that’s right I forgot these kids no longer reside in a uterus. They get to rely on a piecemeal voluntary safety net put up by the families and “evil” teachers who instead of teaching reading and writing get to stock backpacks to provide food for their students.

    • This is heart-breaking, not only because it underscores the problem of hunger in America, but also because it shines a light on the problem of so many young children being left alone at home to fend for themselves after school and on weekends.
      We need to address the issue of providing government-run childcare or at least a living wage that allows parents ( often single mothers ) to pay for adequate childcare when regular school is not in session.

    • I was a Democrat for close to 40 years and have never been a Republican but I’m nore than a little sick and tired of these holier than thou pronouncments about evil “moral responsibility” people.

      Where are the Democrats on this issue of hunger in America? Nowhere to be found, just like normal.

      More to the point, what are we doing about this problem? Some of us, the “morally responsible” Independents, are donating to Food Banks and Shelters and attending city council and school board meetings in an attempt to pressure them into providing some help to the hungry and homeless.

      Governments at all levels should be doing more to combat hunger, but until they do, we should do what we can to help our neighbors and those locally to survive as best they can. It’s the very least we can do.

      • It goes double ditto for the craven Democrats that let the notion that once a child is brought into the world society’s “moral responsibility” to those children ends. I was angry when they failed to fund low cost birth control for women who have limited means and I was angry that not a single Democrat challenged their “esteemed” colleagues so interested in controlling women’s uteruses where there moral responsibility was to the children ALREADY HERE and lacking adequate food, clothing, and shelter(heck some of them seem to even be on board with creating a third world culture where children are bred to starve and women have no reproductive control). They want to bring these children into the world but then they don’t want to guarantee that these children have any of the things they need to grow into productive adults.

        As I said heartbreaking and a sad commentary on our country. Our priorities are all screwed up.

      • I’ve been donating for years but I do not want the youngest of citizenry reduced to begging. I believe in funding for birth control(which was removed for the conservatives who opposed it) because it means less children starving. I know that if you bring a child into the world that you have a responsibilty to said child. You don’t hear me whining about having to pay more taxes to fund SCHIP or Medicaid(something the conservatives again opposed and continue to oppose) or any other program that goes to provide health care for these children or their families.

        It isn’t the liberals that espouse the evils of social programs. It’s the conservatives. The same flippin’ conservatives that seem to fail to recognize that if you force people to have children they aren’t ready for then YES you are going to have to spend money on programs to support these children.

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