Irreconciliable Differences in Stupakistan

Politico has a series of threads up on the Stupak Amendment, insurance coverage of abortion, and angry choice activists.  The first one

Joe Cannon draws it like it is ...

is on the amendment and what hopefully is its inability to survive the reconciliation process . The other is on the RNC pulling abortion coverage from its staff’s insurance plan. The men in this country clearly want to know what goes on between every woman’s pelvic bones.

Democrats will almost certainly kill the anti-abortion Stupak amendment in the process if they go to Plan B on passing health care — using a filibuster-proof reconciliation bill — budget experts say.

“There is no way on God’s green Earth that the Stupak amendment would pass muster in a budget reconciliation bill,” says Bill Hoagland, an insurance lobbyist who was the top GOP aide on the Senate Budget Committee for two decades and served as then-Majority Leader Bill Frist’s budget guru.

Democratic budget experts in Congress and the administration who asked not to be quoted on the record agree with Hoagland’s assessment.

The biggest problem Democrats have on the health bill right now is the difficulty they will have mustering a 60-vote coalition to shepherd the measure into a conference with the House. If they can’t do it, they may scale back the bill and try to put it through under restrictive “reconciliation” rules that would require a bare majority but limit the scope of what policies can be adopted.

An additional good post at TPM comes from Brian Beutler who investigates who is going to be most impacted by the amendment should it wind up in the final bill.

The Stupak amendment would forbid anybody who receives new government health insurance subsidies from buying policies that cover abortion. So why should women’s health care be treated differently than other kinds of health care? Is it fair to prevent women, forced into the health care market, from buying any insurance policy she wants, even if they have some government assistance?

But somewhat less prominently, these same combatants have been at odds about what the practical effect of the Stupak amendment would actually be. There’s substantial lack of clarity on that score–many say it’s likely that there will be no abortion coverage in the exchange at all, and others hypothesize that, over time, the norms in the exchange will come to dominate the norms across the insurance market. At this point, that’s all theoretical. But there is at least some data on the immediate practical implications of the Stupak amendment: It will, at least, directly and immediately impact a small, but growing number of poor and middle-class women.

Meanwhile, mainstream women’s and choice groups are awakening from their koolaid stupor and realizing we’ve been had.  Kate Michelman and Frances Kissling hammered away in this morning’s NYT.

A GRIM reality sits behind the joyful press statements from Washington Democrats. To secure passage of health care legislation in the House, the party chose a course that risks the well-being of millions of women for generations to come.

House Democrats voted to expand the current ban on public financing for abortion and to effectively prohibit women who participate in the proposed health system from obtaining private insurance that covers the full range of reproductive health options. Political calculation aside, the House Democrats reinforced the principle that a minority view on the morality of abortion can determine reproductive health policy for American women.

Many House members who support abortion rights decided reluctantly to accept this ban, which is embodied in the Stupak-Pitts amendment. They say the tradeoff was necessary to advance the right to guaranteed health care. They say they will fight another day for a woman’s right to choose.

Believe me, they will not fight another day for a woman’s right to choose because they never have since  the fetus fetish fanatics woke up and smelled woman’s  freedom. Religious fanatics continually push their religion-based pseudo-medical concerns on us all. We’ve been told that democratic pols were the firewall between going back to the days of backroom abortions,  herbal concoctions that frequently killed women, and the infamous hangers.  The time to draw the line in the sand is now. I’ve convinced myself to vote democrat blunder after blunder and dunderhead after dunderhead on the idea that our right to privacy would be preserved.  If they sell out on this one, they’ve sold out the very last straw for me.  There will be no going back for many of us.

**The parody of the MS magazine  cover  comes from Cannonfire. My guess is if we pressure him enough, we can get him to make T shirts and make him a millionaire.

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54 Responses

  1. I’ll believe that when I see it. Even if it is removed for reconciliation, chances are it could pass both chambers separately on an up or down vote. You don’t doublecross the Bishops without facing the consequences, and the Democrats won’t put up a fight on anything, especially women’s rights, against conservatives on a good day, I can’t see them doing it after making such a big public show of defending this.

  2. You know, those Conservatives sure hate abortion.

    Yet they never actually ACCOMPLISH anything against it.

    I guess it’s one of those things that everyone gets to get all excited about and then is decided exactly how those in power want it to be.

    Really, the Elite want Abortion, and that’s the end of it. Your just wasting time, “defending” it.

    • They never accomplish anything about it? Tell that to Bob Casey, Sr. Ask any abortion provider how much access to abortion has been curtailed and how many undue burdens have been enacted since the Casey decision supplanted Roe.

      • There are women dying again from illegal abortions because of all the restrictions. But who cares if more women die? Our society doesn’t even try to deal with all the rapes and murders of women.

    • nobody WANTS abortion but we need abortion rights.

    • They’ve accomplished plenty. There are many states now where it is almost impossible for women to get abortions, e.g., North and South Dakota, Indiana that I know of. I’m sure there are lots down South.

    • the Democratic party has been “accomplishing” what they want telling women only they can defend women’s rights at election time and then when it comes to policy keeping women’s rights in limbo. They won’t make women’s autonomy and privacy a given because that would require actually having to engage women beyond a single-issue platform (that they only defend at election time.)

      This isn’t just about “defending” abortion rights, this is about the Democratic party continually treating its female voters like second class citizens , our rights being used as bargaining chips in a piece of skidmark legislation that is being hailed as expanding healthcare to more people (even though in practice the only thing it really expands is wealth to Wall Street). They don’t want us to be engaged in multiple issues beyond abortion, they don’t want our autonomy, privacy, or rights in anything but limbo—the limbo is what allows them to use the same old scare tactics at election time: Roe v. Wade, SCOTUS! They don’t want left-leaning women voting on any other interests… the Democrats might actually have to deliver on them.

      • wow, that’s very insightful !

      • Indeed! What Chuck Todd called in the campaign “Obama’s ace in the hole”

      • Very true — but the Stupak amendment did not leave women’s rights in limbo — they made things worse for women, much worse for many. It is anti-life and anti-women.

        And I do not want to hear from “pro-lifers” that, no, it is pro-life: If Stupak were pro-life, it would make contraception and an annual ob-gyn exam available to every woman in this country. And it is anti-women specifically, not even anti-sex — or it would have stripped funding for Viagra.

        I was angry at the Democratic Party before, but now I am thoroughly disgusted. Not sure what strategy to use to change this.

        djmm

      • Great comment, Wonk.

        I remember what it was like after B0 was given the primary and Hillary was a fading object of the obot hate. Then it was on to the general and most of the Hillary hate was changed to “Roe, SCOTUS, Roe, SCOTUS, Roe, SCOTUS.” They were done haranguing Hillary (well, nearly done), so it full court press on the rest of us.

        At the time, I planned to vote McCain/Palin, because after the primary I truly didn’t think McCain would be worse than B0 (and I suspected he would be better, actually). I did not think B0 would defend women’s rights but I did not think he would gut abortion access this quickly.

        They don’t want us focusing on other issues, but I think our ship has sailed on that one. As far as I am concerned, they have just declared war on women, and I don’t back down from a necessary fight.

  3. For example, the Elite want Immigration, and even though the majority of the population don’t, that’s the way it is.

    Abortion is a far more divisive issue among the electorate. If a Depression won’t shut-down mass-immigration, there is NO WAY that abortion is changing.

    • wow, you live in a differently reality zone … immigration is way off since the economy got bad, illegal and other wise. And you’ve obviously missed all the little nagging, niggling hoops women now have to go to even access an abortion in most states … way to live in denial!

    • The majority of the population don’t want any immigration? That’s news to me.

      • And the majority of Americans support the right to an abortion.

      • I have never heard anyone say they don’t want immigration, even if they support further restrictions. Most Americans are apparently sneaky and in hiding. ;)

      • Show me an American who is not a Native Indian descendant and I will show you a member of an immigrant family tree. Very few of us deny our immigrant heritage and most of us are actually proud of it.

      • Ha, even Lou Dobbs is for legal immigration. It’s just the illegal part that some have problems with. And since the economic collapse, that’s not an issues since all forms of immigration are down. Wow, way to pick an issue. Get out much?

      • Some Americans have become pro-immigration — for themselves, to France!

        djmm

    • Wow! What a way to try to derail a discussion. Wrong crowd though, but nice try! Topic again, women’s reproductive rights.

  4. OT – I posted this below but just felt so good when I saw this bumper sticker I did a double take – at first I thought it was an old Hillary sticker -it looked just like it but it actually said:

    Re-elect Hillary!

  5. i’m sorry to say that Kat5 passed on Tuesday. I just spoke with her husband.

  6. Dak, do you have information you can email regarding funeral, or charities so that we could respond in her memory?

  7. If men got pregnant from hot steamy bathroom butt action you can bet that all the republicans, half the Democrats and most priests would be pro-choice.

  8. Thanks for your belief in my work, DK, but it won’t happen. A dark print-on-demand t-shirt costs 22 bucks to make, with not a dime in it for me. At CafePress, the cost is even higher — $24.

    You’re the economist. I think you can see the problem. It just can’t be done.

    Thanks anyways….

    • Joe,

      Have you priced out iron-on transfers? With all of the big craft stores around, people can get the t-shirts, bags, hats, etc for decent prices. There are also many American-made products that are fairly cheap.

      Another option would be to allow people to purchase a license for your design so that they can print their own transfers. You can buy the appropriate “paper” at Staples or Office Max to create your own “iron-on” transfer.

  9. Bob Somerby raises a good point:

    Olbermann was doing his best to reinvent Stupak as The Other—feigning outrage over silly points of language and asking which party he thinks he’s in. But good lord! The analysts simply hung their heads when KO quoted that platform language! As everyone but entertainers will know, the two party platforms often contain language which is honored wholly in the breach—and this is a perfect example. You can forget what it says, or seems to suggest, in that language from the Democratic Party platform: Simply put, the Democratic Party does not strongly and unequivocally support a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion regardless of her ability to pay. The Democratic Party has long accepted the current conventions, in which (for example) low-income women do not get Medicaid funding for abortions—in which they can’t get a safe and legal abortion unless they can pay for it on their own. Despite the language KO read, the party has made no recent attempt to roll back that long-standing convention, or others like it. Nor does it have any plan to do so as part of ongoing health reform, as every Democrat has made quite clear in discussions of the Stupak-Pitts problem.

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