Women under Carriages, under Street Cars, and under Buses

I’m reprinting a thread I wrote about a 1 1/2 years ago because they’ve just done it to us again. We’re supposed to go along for the greater good of the “health” plan. Give Obama a win. Hope they correct the injustices against women later. Well, ladies and sympathetic gentlemen, they rarely do …

Nancy Pelosi is a SEX traitor.

Call me ALICE PAUL DakiniKat. I want to Bring BACK the National Women’s Party. Fuck any one that would sell out all the women in the United States to get the approval of the a few nasty, pedophile enabling Bishops. This is America and that is against everything we should stand for.

Abigail AdamsIf particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice or representation.”

Important anniversaries are on us. This quote by the second first lady of the United States, Abigail Adams, is as fresh and pertinent as it was when she penned this in a letter to her husband in 1776.

From the birth of this country down to present day, women are the forgotten citizens. When they assert their rights, some war, some other movement, a disease, some other man or even the rights of proto-humans are placed before them and many just fall in. We take care of our gay brothers suffering from aids while the last few states fail to ratify the ERA. We support the abolition movement to free and give rights to Black Americans and votes to black men while we’re considered property way into the 1970s and cannot achieve the vote until 1920. We march. We do all the behind the scene work and organizing. Then, when we ask for the vote, for our place in governing, for our right to lead, we are told that would be expedient to larger movements. This is true of black civil rights movements, labor movements, peace movements or antiwar movements, and the founding of our nation and so ad infinitum.

We are not only approaching our annual celebration of Independence Day. We have come upon the 160th anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention. The women who met during that July suggested this addition to the Declaration of Independence and penned their own tome the Declaration of Sentiments.

It was signed by a number of women leaders including Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott. The first women’s rights conference in the United States Convention was held in Seneca Falls, New York on July 19 and 20, 1848. Few will be celebrating this historic gathering or probably even know of it. One hundred and sixty years after the convention, the equality that Elizabeth Cady Stanton demands still eludes us.Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton

The eloquent Frederick Douglass, a former slave and now editor of the Rochester North Star, however, swayed the gathering into agreeing to the resolution. At the closing session, Lucretia Mott won approval of a final resolve “for the overthrowing of the monopoly of the pulpit, and for the securing to woman equal participation with men in the various trades, professions and commerce.

This is the same Frederick Douglass who later threw women under the carriage for Black male suffrage. In 1869, an amendment was proposed to Congress that guarantees “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”

Douglass told women to wait since it was easier to get the proposed amendment through congress if it guaranteed black males the right to vote, but not women. This is exactly what happened. Women had to wait.

For over two centuries, American women had few civil or political rights. Wives had to do what they were told by their husband. Until 1884, a wife was officially listed as one of her husband’s possessions. Women stayed slaves for years after the emancipation proclamation was signed.

When I was at university, I noticed this strange pattern. Every time women say it is our turn to be recognized for all this work and we deserve equal pay, equal rights, and equal respect, men change the subject and put some other movement in between us. If you look through history, many women’s rights movements have been cast aside for peace movements or labor movements and later for civil rights movements that basically favored the rights of gay men or black men.

When asked what the role of women was in the Black Panther Movement, the answer was: “The only role for women in this movement is horizontal.” This continual divide and conquer strategy has left us waiting at bus stops for buses that we are later thrown under. Much of the impetus of the women’s movement in the 70s was distilled to civil rights for gays after Stonewall and the Aids crisis. Gay bashing and Aids struck gay men hard but much of the work and nursing was done by lesbians who abandoned the fight for the ERA and protection of the sanctity of women’s individuality as the religious right’s attempts to water down Roe v. Wade increased the humanity of proto-human life while decreasing that of breathing, living women.

The odd thing is that none of these movements are bad causes. The development of a democratic nation, peace, abolition, Aids research, or suffrage for black men all have merit. The fact that these are ALL good causes is not what bothers me. The larger point to me is that these movements sprung up during active women’s rights movements and suddenly took precedence.

Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm has always been one of my personal heroines and clearly recognized that women’s rights were not a priority for this nation. She was always quick to note that she had experienced more sexism in her life than racism. Please read what this great champion of women’s rights said as she fought for passage of the ERA.

Mr. Speaker, House Joint Resolution 264, before us today, which provides for equality under the law for both men and women, represents one of the most clear-cut opportunities we are likely to have to declare our faith in the principles that shaped our Constitution. It provides a legal basis for attack on the most subtle, most pervasive, and most institutionalized form of prejudice that exists. Discrimination against women, solely on the basis of their sex, is so widespread that is seems to many persons normal, natural and right.

Legal expression of prejudice on the grounds of religious or political belief has become a minor problem in our society. Prejudice on the basis of race is, at least, under systematic attack. There is reason for optimism that it will start to die with the present, older generation. It is time we act to assure full equality of opportunity to those citizens who, although in a majority, suffer the restrictions that are commonly imposed on minorities, to women

Whenever women make progress, men step in with some other distraction and create disunity. I see this same pattern today in the Democratic Party ONE HUNDRED and SIXTY years after the Seneca Falls Convention and well over TWO HUNDRED years after Abigail Adams.

Women, please stop and think about this before you donate your time to peace movements, misc. civil rights movements, ANY kind of movement. We are the work horses of all of these movements, yet how many of these movements turn around and provide us ANYTHING but lip service? Think of the DNC, what have they done recently to stop the hemorrhage of reproductive rights? support equal pay laws? stop SEXIST attacks on women candidates? Which women in this system (yes, YOU Nancy Pelosi, yes, You Candy Crowely, yes, you Cindy Sheehan, yes, you Donna Brazille, yes YOU, Governor Sibilius, yes YOU Senator Mary Landrieu, yes you Secretary of State Rice,yes, YOU Gloria Borger, …) will willingly sell out their own sex to be acceptable to the boys and get recognition in a movement or a profession not of our own design whose rules are set up so that we ultimately fail.

Just THINK ABOUT IT when you celebrate this Fourth of July. Look at your daughters, your mothers, your grandmothers, your granddaughters, and the women around you and THINK about it. What movement did I join that stopped me from asking for basic human and democratic rights for women? Think about what happened to Hillary Clinton this primary season and ASK yourselves will you compromise YET again?

How much is that compromise worth to you?

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162 Responses

  1. We are the majority on this planet, but still dont seem to have much impact? Just look at the G20 photo opportunities! Thanks for Christine Lagarde (always a fab haircut) and Angela Merkel!

    Where do we go wrong – it cant be just men’s mistake. I guess women too rarely support each other – too little old girl’s network!

    • American Women are sperm slaves. The European Union is so far advanced compared to what they throw us here it’s not even funny and I’m getting sick of it.

      again, Nancy Pelosi is selling out EVERY single one of us for a win for Obama …

      she is a SEX traitor

  2. Shirley Chisholm was always one of my heroes. One little quibble: she was in Congress; you referred to her as a Senator. Otherwise, this post is right-on.

  3. Oddly enough, I don’t think a national womens’ party is a very good idea. I’m for equality for all. That’s my principle. In unity there is strength. Separating our cause off from the rest of the country seems divisive to me. It feels too “separate but equal”. Nome sane?
    Equality is equality is equality. We have to make the general public eat that concept but not by forming a separate party that can be too easily dismissed.
    As I said in the separate thread, it isn’t enough to say you are taking your dishes and going home. You have to have a home to go to. There has to be a place for men and women who are interested in restoring the American Dream to go to. THAT’S where I want to go.

    • well, just because it’s names the National Women’s party doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t do that, at this point, however, I want a place to go that recognizes and acts on the deficit in women’s rights in this country … we’re conveniently promised things and forgotten. I don’t want a place where men take over and their interests go first all the time

      • oh, and progress for children and education and GLBT rights won’t go first either …

      • It will never get off the ground with a name like that. It will become a fringe party. I know people don’t want to hear this but it’s true.
        We have been out in the world for a long time now, dakinikat. We know how men take things over and we have to be vigilant and use our wits to not let it happen.
        But equality means equality for all, IMHO. I can not separate out my needs from the needs of others. That doesn’t mean I will ever compromise on my promotion of women’s rights. It means I don’t every have to if I put my principles first.

        • RD, i just see that the only way you don’t get them to usurp you is to paint it pink …

          if you paint it pink you only get the real men and the gay men

          • No, the only way to not let them usurp you is to play the game like a man would and never back down no matter what they say about you. It means getting on their asses before they get on yours. It means never steping aside no matter how much you get in their way. It means never knifing a competent woman in the back no matter how much a man critIcizes her. It means doing your homework and working hard and letting everyone know you know your shit.
            But the other thing that is important is knowing when to walk away. You will never win if you are willing to give away your most cherished principles fir the sake of getting along and being a team player. At this point in time, women are not the only ones who have legitimate grievances. It’s time for all of us who have been asked to sacrifice too much to get up from the table and walk away. We can form a new party. We CAN do this.

        • How about the Gynocrat Party? :P

        • I am leaning toward the Working Families Party.

          http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/

          • WFP sounds too communist for most to be comfortable with it.
            You know full well that conservative talk radio commentators will be all over it.
            Its should have a name that gets voters to think about the lack of support on woman’s issues that the Democrats are failing to address because they are chicken shits.
            Woman’s Rights Party?
            I’m sure that with all the talent that is on display here that some one could come up with a name and logo. Just be sure to copyright it so the crazies can’t usurp it like they did PUMA.

          • cwalz(sp) nailed it with a reply in the breakfast post below.
            Start calling those that voted yes on the Stupak amendment Coat Hanger Democrats.
            Any blogging, LTE’s , or conversations refer to them by that name.

          • I got the name off of one of the folks on TalkLeft. It suits.

          • Yeah, I’m really sorry about the name PUMA getting hijacked. One moment it stood for something, the next moment it stood for anything and could be ridiculed as such.

            I’m just tired of democrats that say they’ll protect women’s rights and GLBT rights and then basically throwing us symbolic scraps while taking away just as many of their rights as republiklans do

        • If the point is to get elected, I agree a National Women’s party is not going to work, but I think it may have some potential if the goal is just to be a single issue party to put pressure on Democrats that they won’t get those votes unless they stand up for women’s rights. NOW, Naral, etc. are useless. Terry O’Neill’s new leadership didn’t last very long.

          • Womans party voting block working towards a third party solution which solidly includes womens rights would be my option. We probably would need to start as a block anyway unless we have people ready to run.

          • Terry O’Neill and NOW have just issued a statement in opposition to this bill:

            http://www.now.org/press/11-09/11-08.html

          • A little late dontcha think? They were shilling it hard up until late yesterday.

          • A national women’s party can change the conversation radically, though.

            Eva Peron, who was instrumental in obtaining the right to vote for Argentine women, also founed the Women’s Peronist Party. Within a very short time, there were 350,000 more active women voters taking part in elections, the number of women at universities doubled, neighborhood women’s centers and clinics sprang up all over the country. . .you get the idea. It’s not the 30% solution, but it had much the same effect.

          • Ok, I just read NOWs statement. It says that the Stupak bill will also prevent women from using any of their own funds to buy coverage that will cover pregnancy termination.

          • I didn’t phrase that quite right: it’s women who receive any federal subsidies or women receiving public health coverage.

            Oh, gee, that’s not many of us at all. I feel better–not.

        • The republicans didn’t have to go to the SCOTUS to over turn Roe v. Wade the Coat Hanger Democrats did it for them.

        • so what? They were a fringe party when they got women the right to vote. What matters, protecting and promoting women as whole human beings or being one of the tiny invisible fish in a big boys pound?

      • how about calling it the INCLUSIVE FREEDOM PARTY?
        It would include all that believe in the freedoms written in the Constitution that many have fought for over the years.
        It would work for ERA
        It would remind people that ALL Americans are equal and have the same rights
        Instead of 51% of Americans being under a bus, they could be a convoy or a train heading to national and state congresses to improve life for ALL.

        WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

        PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

        • Freedom Party or does that sound too right wing?
          It should be something that rolls off the tongue and is sound byte friendly.

    • Why don’t we first try to form a bloc, like the Catholic Bishops have done, to defeat this healthcare bill from passing in the Senate? Then build up the numbers of women activists to the 2010 and 2012 elections. We desperately need leadership. I believe the PUMAS planted the seed and we should captilize on it (thanks, PUMAS!).

      • The fact that O’Neill didn’t reach out to Hillary supporters/PUMAs, particularly on feminist blogs, when she took office in July is a bad sign that she is attached at the hip to Democrats and is willing to be slapped around and will wait for crumbs. I’m not suggesting alienating her and her membership, but I’m hoping a new leader, like a firebrand, will emerge.

    • equal is equal is equal….except for women who are never equal. 12 percent of the nation deserved a black president but 51 percent of the nation didn’t deserve a woman president. Without separation and concentration on only women’s equality we will never count.

  4. I’m concerned that the majority of women in the country will not even be aware of what a step backward the Stupak Amendment really is.
    All the different variations in health care “reform” bills floating around have got most people’s heads spinning.
    We need to spead the word as much as possible and help other women understand what is going on.

    • that will be especially true with the Obama loving media spin zone working against the truth

      • they won’t have to work against the truth. They just won’t report it. It will be as if it never happened. All we’ll get is champagne corks popping and streamers & confetti exploding from little paper party favors.

      • I just send an email to Clive Crook of the FT. He tends to be very balanced – I hope he picks up on the issue!

    • I checked some European newspapers on-line – nothing abt it. Let’s when Monday comes around!

    • Yes, this is hitting the nail on the head to an extent; not only do they not realize what a step backwards the Stupak amendment is, many don’t even realize what this so-called health care reform is really about. This, to me, is what is being counted on.

  5. Beata, you’re right – we all need to spread the word as much as we can and ask those whom we contact to spread the word. A huge “wave of information” needs to be started here – no, a Tsunami needs to start here to insure that as many Americans know what is going on here.

    • That is the key. Spread the word to all you know and ask them to do the same. In the high-tech world, the truth may have to travel via word of mouth almost. Bizarre.

  6. “Being a woman is no longer a pre-existing condition.”

    - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi commenting on newly passed healthcare bill.

  7. I never saw this original post. I sincerely enjoy this piece. What you have said is true. We, all of us women, have always taken the back seat for some other cause just as we do in our own personal lives. You know we talk ourselves into that thought process of “we don’t need it or they need it more than we do”. I know with myself I have always put the other person (whether it have been husband, child, parent, or whomever) ahead of myself. I think politics is the same. We always defer to the other cause much like we do in our own lives. Perhaps because we care so much for all but some how don’t put ourselves first in much of anything! I think that “doormat” thing many of us have BEEN in our own lives at some time or another. This is a cycle that we need to break. Our country needs us to band together and do the work that the men certainly haven’t been doing. I saw one of the Democratic representatives on TV (I don’t remember HIS name…a white guy, kind of young.) He wouldn’t vote for a bill that included coverage for abortion! I guess he was Catholic. I’m a Catholic girl but the truth is what happens with a woman’s health care should be between her doctor and herself. It should not be a government decision as to coverage. The men in charge have managed to move our country toward a corporate take over of everything that means anything to all of us. Corporations have taken over every aspect of our lives. We the people are really “We the corporations” deciding what is best for the American people while they rob us blind. It’s all about the money! I think us women need to get the money to become the power. We need our own branch of lobbyist because the truth is lobbyist/corporations have taken over everything! With our female population we should by all means be able to put pressure on the corporations that control everything as MONEY TALKS. I think we might get farther by not buying products in order to get what we want. Just me thinking out loud here! Some of us didn’t buy the politicians products during the 2000 election and we are still stuck with a misogynistic president. I say we need to buy from companies that will push the female agenda and let them know why we are purchasing the way we are. The corporations seem to have the power but if we withdrew our funding of these corporations maybe we’d get somewhere. Which companies have female CEO’s? I don’t know but that is a start.

    • Very well said, Silent Kate. I’m a Catholic girl who’s guilty of the “doormat thing” myself. ( Being Catholic, I’m just full of guilt, period! )
      I was raised to be unselfish and always put the needs of others ahead of my own – just like the saints did.
      It is indeed a difficult cycle for women to break, both personally and politically.

    • thx, of everything I’ve ever written, this piece stands as the most heartfelt and personal

    • I meant the 2008 election!

    • It never ceases to amaze me that the right wing/democorpritist want to protect the citizens from paying for procedures that protect women’s lives, but have no problem paying for war that obliterates the lives of our young men and women.

      It infuriates me to hear people scream about their tax money going to “kill unborn”. When do we start the scream about our tax money going to “kill our living breathing young people”!

      No taxes for abortion? No taxes for War!!!

      How many Billions – Trillions in the last eight years on Iraq and Afganistan? No problem open your wallets.

      Cost of Single Payer – Medicare for all, see pnhp.org.

      The congressional health care plan recently passed is not only a disgrace for women, but a total disgrace for all Americans. When will our tax money actually go to benefit regular citizens.

      Dennis Kucinich is right about health care. How about “Progressive Constitutionalist Party”?

  8. From Jane of FDL on Huffpo:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/naral-and-planned-parenth_b_349596.html

    Democrats in Congress have just proudly signed a deal with the Catholic bishops which allows a bunch of old men who have spent the better part of the last century avoiding their own sexual issues to dictate access to abortion services in the House health care bill.

    No tax dollars were going to go to pay for abortions, mind you, but now insurance companies that participate in the exchange can’t even cover them, thanks to Democrat Bart Stupak. FDL’s Jon Walker explains how it works:

    If the insurance companies offering plans on the exchange are not allowed to turn down any costumers, it means no basic insurance plan on the exchange could cover abortion. There would be no way to prevent that at least one of the plan’s costumer would be be using affordability tax credits to help purchase the plan. So the effect is no plan sold on the exchange could offer abortion coverage as part of its basic package.

    But this isn’t news. On July 1, Stupak wrote a letter signed by 19 Democrats saying they would do just what they’re doing right now — holding the bill hostage. And what did NARAL and Planned Parenthood do? Well, they released a lot of statements echoing the President’s contention that the bill contained no abortion funding. But that was never Stupak’s objection.
    The floor of the House is now filled with ostensibly pro-choice Democrats like Rosa DeLauro and Anna Eshoo who don’t seem to have noticed there’s a problem here (Eshoo was probabaly too busy selling breast cancer survivors out to PhRMA). Honorary veal pen President Jan Schakowsky says, and I kid you not, “this is a great day for women.”

    Really? Here’s Ezra Klein in the Washington Post:

    If this amendment passes, it will mean that virtually all women with insurance through the exchange who find themselves in the unwanted and unexpected position of needing to terminate a pregnancy will not have coverage for the procedure.

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/naral-and-planned-parenth_b_349596.html&cp

    • Jane seems to blame only NARAL, PP (who were indeed ineffective) or, on her blog, the congress critters who voted for that amendment. But it was Obama in his bestest heckled speech that clarified that “no federal money will go to abortions” which he called in the past a ‘moral issue” having nothing to do with women’s freedom. yet women were asked to vote for him to protect reproductive rights. We may be a majority, but politically we’re idiots (as a constituency)

    • What are our chaces of unseating Stupak? If I can’t get Nancy’s head on a stick I might settle for his.

      • I’m from Michigan. Stupak is far superior to what would replace him. Northern Michigan is gun country. You would end up with a very conservative Republican rather than a center oriented Stupak! I know Stupak has pressure from the Lifers but he probably has his own mental battles to deal with. His son committed suicide on I believe Mother’s Day 2000. I remember it well. I don’t personally believe this is the big issue for him. He’s doing this for his conservative base.

  9. Well said, dakinikat. The time has come for a new Women’s Party.
    Women first!

  10. Er, ok I’m glad Hamsher was able to look up from whipping for the worthless public option long enough to notice how screwed over American women are by the Stupak amendment.

    And she’s right that some large part of the blame must fall on Planned Parenthood and NARAL for utterly failing in their mission, preferring to preserve their access to D.C. dinner parties over reproductive rights.

    But when she talks about veal pen groups, the irony overwhelms me — as she is a prime example of a veal pen blogger. By whipping so hard for the meaningless and ultimately harmful “public option”, she and her “progressive” buddies only helped compel health ‘reform” to a successful house vote and provided cover for all the progressive caucus traitors who voted for it. The payoff for Jane and to a lesser extent, FDL, was to be able to continue to parade themselves about as great influencers in the service of “progressive” policies, while kicking everyone else down the stairs.

    I have plenty of complaints against NARAL and Planned Parenthood, but Jane, meet Kettle. You can call her Black.

    • oops, this was supposed to nest under dakinikat’s cmt on Hamsher, doh!

    • FDL definitely got played. Jane put up an Act Blue page for Dems who agreed to draw a line in the sand regarding a strong public option. The money was given to those Dems before a vote was even taken; all they had to do was sign a pledge. She would have had far more leverage if she had asked for “pledges” rather than donations, but now they’ve got the money and she’s got nothing.

    • Wow, how trendy is it to attack a cancer survivor (Jane Hamsher) and one that had to pay 60 thousand dollars out of pocket for her own treatment to STAY ALIVE (and she had insurance!), while admonishing her for NOT doing enough. :shock:

      Jane, is a role model for many of us that have illnesses that have all but rendered us bankrupt. Jane’s passion for the public option is real, it isn’t a PR stunt, she has a first hand account of being in the front lines of not having her treatment covered…and fighting to stay alive.

      Jane is an American Woman, fighting the good fight and fighting for others too. She is an Advocate for cancer patients, and AIDS patients and in her neck of the woods she speaks up for others too (with a variety of illness that have no coverage) that contact her and never looks away.

      Jane is a SURVIVOR and a FIGHTER!

      JANE IS A SHERO!

      • Woman Voter: I LOVE Jane Hamsher. She motivated me to campaign for Ned Lamont and I will always admire her for getting out in front of important issues and making a difference. She is a hero to me and I want to support her.
        That being said, she didn’t see the boogiemen behind Obama and it was really sad for me to watch how FDL was compromised last year. I think Jane is much smarter than her actions last year showed. If she ever realizes that it is time to step away from the Democrats because there is no way to get what she wants from them unless she withholds her love and attention, I will be with her 150%. A new party needs someone like Jane to lead it.

        • RD,

          You are correct on the election, without a doubt. She gained my respect by realizing that all was not well and pushing hard for the Public Option and holding their (legislators) feet to the fire, while others were still doing the ‘raw raw pom pom’ thing.

          She is doing a lot in California and on the National issues. Some people look at their mortality and decide to change things for the better, and that is something truly impressive about Jane, she really cares.

      • I agree. Yes, she did stay quiet during the election, but I never felt she was a Koolaid drinker. She has been speaking up about Obama for a long time now.

    • I tend to agree. The public option in its current form is weightless, but the progressive members needed the shiny object for their creds. Nevertheless, the Stupak amendment should have kept the progressives from signing off on the larger bill. But as Jane says, if they don’t feel any pressure from Naral or PP or their constituents, it makes it easy for them to cave on repro rights. I’d like to understand better how much political influence large donors like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have on Naral and PP when they give their millions. And I also agree that Jane will ultimately prioritize her standing over the actual issues. In this case, she got her medal for the public option, weak as it is, and she’s covering for the very real hit that women’s choice could take. She probably did not see that coming.

      • If Jane were as savvy politically as she claims to be (she’s been denigrating single-payer activists for their ‘naivete’ for months and months), she surely could have seen it coming.

        We all did. Obama and the New Dems have been signaling their abandonment of women’s equality, and esp. support for women’s reproductive rights for almost a year (well, really far longer than that if you count the misogyny of the primaries, but I won’t get into that).

        Remember, Democrats allowed Republicans to strip subsidies for contraception for low-income women from the stimulus bill. And no one’s done a d*mn thing to overturn Bush’s last-minute conscience rule cr*p, which went miles farther than anything that came before it, even under Reagan. Obama himself has been hammering on the no-abortion coverage in health care reform for months.

        Was Jane just not paying attention?

        And btw, the fact that Jane is a cancer survivor is a great thing, and admirable. But it doesn’t make her a hero within health care reform. Cancer is not a magical disease that makes whatever a person whips for the right thing to whip for.

        • On repro rights, the constant refrain from the Obama feminists has been “no worse than it is now, right?” Well, this Stupak amendment will make it worse than it is now because it is intertwined with all the new definitions of subsidies in this health bill. If it survives the Senate, women’s reproductive rights will have taken a giant step backwards. Jane and the new wave feminists need to understand that. I saw that Donna Brazile sent a tweet out to them late last night saying, keep believing in change. People need to wake up.

          • Yes, there was just one of those apologists on the VW thread. They’re barking up the wrong tree when they come here to sprinkle kool-aid powder like pixie dust.

        • I’d say that I’d agree particularly if she was denigrating other activists that were fighting for a bill that would have ensured cancer coverage for everyone, I’ve said it a million times if I’m going to call anyone a hero on health care reform I’m gonna call the single payer activists heroes. These are people who have been willing to go to the mat to the point of getting arrested to get care for everyone.

  11. Nancy Pelosi stabbed Hilary in the back because she couldn’t abide the thought of another woman in a higher position of power than she had.
    Now she has thrown the rest of you under the bus in an attempt to hold on to the position.

    • I think Pelosi stabbed Hillary in the back because she was part of a cabal that thought they could better control Obama and therefore would have more power if he were elected. I do not think it had anything to do with Hillary’s sex.

      • I think so too, but they should have known better. You can be an empty-suited idiot and a dictatorial egomaniac simultaneously. They must have slept through the Dubya Administration. It was pretty obvious that while Obama is a dope, he wasn’t going to let Congress run the show while he napped, he was going to let his circle of cronies run the show while he napped.

      • That is the argument Obama must have used to convince them. He would send legislation over to both houses, without “doing a Hillary” on them -i.e. working out pages of details first.

        The other argument was that he could make up for his inexperience by selling anything. You got it-he’d sell it.

        He must have seemed manna from heaven to bored congress critters.

  12. I’ve been saying that we need a new political party that addresses our issues. Let’s do it and stop talking about. Since I registered as an independent, I’ve not been involved in anything political. I just don’t want to waste my time writing to politicians that don’t listen to me, or campaigning and donating for politicians that once elected go back to supporting the corporate structure and religious beliefs. Enough. We need a new political party. I refuse to believe that a woman’s political party will not get candidates elected because we are damned by the two party system. New parties have risen before, and I don’t see why we should believe that a new party with the right platform is doomed to the fringes. Yes We Can.

  13. It’s also important to consider, if reports are correct, that this bill does NOTHING to ensure coverage for other aspects of women’s health – gynocological exams, birth control, maternity care. This was discussed when the women Dems were being shouted down and one wingnut argued about why it was wrong to expect HIM to pay for maternity care when he didn’t even need it.

    Women have been left behind and under the bus big time. These apologists talking about how women will benefit make me sick. HOW? Because they now have to buy private insurance that won’t cover their reproductive health or face imprisonment?

    yeah, that’s great news.

    • Yeah, that is seriously f**ked up.

    • This nonsense of thinking men should pay less for insurance because they don’t need maternity care is just beyond comprehension. How did the woman get pregnant in the first place. Have we just dumped all responsibility of pregnancy on women?

    • So why should women have to pay for anything to do with prostate health or male sexual dysfuncion? We don’t need those treatements.

  14. I really don’t care what name is given to a gender equality party. I just want to have a party that shares and is committed to my ideals. It would be so nice to have some decent candidates to vote for. It would be a dream come true.

  15. I just retweeted this excellent post!

    we have to bring an end to the 3rd wave of feminists who are so passive and have allowed this failure.
    this is an abomination!

  16. BTW Dak, thanks for reposting this poignant and important essay.

    We have stood down for too long. Now it has become a learned behavior for many.

    • i thought it beared repeating because I felt the same way I did when I was told just to shut up and unify after the primaries … it’s like where’s my historical candidate other than shoved to the side with every horrid name you can attach to a woman being shouted at her?

  17. Hey, I think some cleanup is needed at the end of the Great Vagina wars thread. Someone named “rathskeller” obviously thinks we give a d*mn.

    • I responded. Their stupidity must sometimes stand as a reminder of what a kool-aid stupor looks like.

  18. Bringing this up from downstairs

    So it looks like Obama cut a deal with the lone republican Cao in order to be able to hail the bipartisan nature of the bill:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/08/update-lone-gop-vote-came-after-call-from-president-obama/

    Update: Lone GOP vote came after call from President Obama
    Cao said he explained to the president he could not support the health care bill without the amendment, but said he would support the bill if the abortion measure passed. It was a sentiment he also expressed to House GOP leadership ahead of the vote, he said.

    • MF’ ers figured they could spare his votes to get er done.

      I hate BOTH parties with a vengeance.

    • Cao was going to be a priest, he’s hyperCatholic and won’t do anything to cross church edicts including voting the way the archbishop tells him

    • Obama has some serious issues. In addition to the fact that giving someone to much power to do whatever they want, in what universe does one vote from another party qualify as “bipartisan”? Republicans could propose a bill to bring back slavery and get 25% of Democrats voting with them, the Dems can’t manage a party line vote to save their lives. So because a quarter or half of Dems will vote with Republicans in all circumstances no matter what, that makes the Repubs the party of bipartisanship? Jeebus! Who cares! Bipartisan is overrated!

    • What a joke! Like anyone will be impressed?

  19. I just love how they’re framing this as a “compromise between Dems and Republicans.” Stupak is a Dem and only one republican voted for the final bill.

    Their strained logic is so painful to watch

    • arggggggg!!!!!

      yeah, they pulled away the football once again, but it’s like blaming Charlie Brown for it

      Nancy Pelosi = Gender Traitor

    • I’m convinced Soros is behind this organic, bipartisan stuff. Otherwise there would be no sense in Obama and Rahm continuing with the pretense.

      “Organic” BTW was one of the forerunners of “fascism” found within late nineteenth century “irrational” political European thought. (cf Georges Sorel, Benito Mussolini).

      The organic idea was based on the elimination of conflict, and the vision of the nation as a centrally controlled (natural organic) unit where all the parts are working together as a whole.

      The term fascismo is derived from the Italian word fascio, which means “bundle” or group, and from the Latin word fasces; a fasces was a bundle of sticks used symbolically for the strength of power through unity.

  20. Oh my! Comment on Firedog’s article states “(P.S. In case you haven’t heard, Obama told the Dems the Stupak amendment would be removed.)”

    By whom and when? I am cynical.

    djmm

  21. Is there anyway the DNC can be charged with fraud?
    I mean they billed themselves as the party of a woman’s right to choose and solicited money to advance that agenda, now they have gone and done this.

  22. oh, great, we’re under a hurricane advisory … it’s supposed to be about 1 week to late for that sorta thing

    (sigh)

  23. So NOW is now opposing the bill, after pushing for it yesterday… what a backward ass approach. But then again, maybe NOW wasn’t trying to actually stop it from being passed.

  24. How about the FDR Democrats?

    • What FDR Democrats? We seem to be pretty much divided between Blue Dogs and misogynists/opportunists who sold their souls and can’t turn back. The only FDR Democrats are in the voter pool–and our party’s not so big on the voting thing.

      • I mean as a contrast to what the Democratic Party has morphed into under Obama, Dean, Pelosi and Reid.
        There are two wings, the FDR Democrats and the Coat Hanger Democrats, you are either one or the other, no middle ground.

    • I don’t know about an actual party name itself but I want a party that is all about being “too big to silence.”

  25. Here some news from the sistas in Jo-burg, SA. They organized a huge bikini parade to raise the awarness for breast cancer! Probably that does not work in DC in winter…

  26. You get the Potus you voted for.

    http://www.feministing.com/archives/018779.html

  27. MrMike, Your suggestion of Freedom Party upthread sounds good. Rolls off the tongue and meshes with populist American character. If “Freedom” sounds too right-wing, we need to take it back.

    • Liberty For All Party?

      I like Coat Hanger Democrats as a description because it’s so graphic, lets push that too.

  28. The link in this post @2:51pm goes to a rather tasteless website.

  29. My mind is starting to wander.
    If they ever do a bio-pic on Pelosi they could have Joan Crawford in the title role.

  30. What’s really pissing me off is the new refrain that it’s better than nothing and that giving up women’s reproductive freedom was worthwhile to get the bill passed. It’s almost exclusively men saying this. Of course it’s okay to them! They’re covered and it’s cheaper.

    Stop telling me that I shouldn’t be angry that my rights were shunted aside. Stop telling me that this big piece of shite is better than nothing. You’re wrong. End of story.

    • What’s really interesting is that I don’t think it’s better than nothing. The CBO says it will actually make health care costs rise faster. Not to mention mandating the poor to purchase insurance they can’t afford or be ultimately jailed for an IRS violation. It’s absolutely sick.

      • And you’re still not covered for anything! Ask anyone here in MA, our plans are overpriced and crappy, you go to the hospital, stay there a day, have very little done, and then a month later get told you’re out of pocket for An additional $1000.

        • You can see it coming. People are going to be so screwed over it’s unreal. I have lost all faith in the government. It’s been bought and paid for and those bastards are going to stay bought.

      • It’s madness and no one even sees it coming. I’m actually terrified of what will happen if we don’t manage to nip this thing in the bud at least before it’s implemented.

        • I hope it gets killed in the Senate somehow. Liebermann and Lindsey Graham say they will filibuster it and Dr No wants the entire bill read into the record on the Senate floor.

          Anything to slow it down or kill it, I’m 100% behind.

  31. Wouldn’t it be easier to wrestle the DNC back from the lying thieves that now have control? The Conservative wing of the RNC is being pretty effective at doing that across the aisle. They take over school boards and local election boards, then they change the focus moving up. The up side is that it would serve as a farm team for future candidates. The election component of the the system is so dysfunctional and it allows the national parties to control the legislators. I really do not think that a third party has a chance and I think it will marginalize us.

    • In order to do that, the flow of big money into the party coffers would have to stop first. If they lose majorities in 2010 and the presidency in 2012, the chance will be there.

      That’s why the GOP establishment is under effective attack now. It might be easier to take over the GOP and throw the social activists out. It’s worth a thought.

      • That is exactly what the religious right in WA state did — they decided that the GOP was the weaker party and was ripe for a take over.

        My heritage (Kansas) is GOP — because at one time the GOP was the women’s party. Strong women of my family were Republicans. On my father’s side — they were Dems — and his side of the family were Mormons. So at one time Mormons were Democrats and feminists were Republicans. It is now time for another cataclysmic shift in the poles (North/South major shift).(I left out the “f” in shift — and really that almost reads more accurately about what is needed.)

    • But the only message the Dems ever hear is “move to the right.” Nader takes votes? Move right. It makes no sense, but do it anyway. They’ll never listen to women, because they know they own our votes and they don’t have to do anything to earn them. But if we stopped voting for them, they’d try to recoup those lost votes by moving farther right and figure we’ll come around after a few lies, we always do. We have no leverage, and we can’t get any
      because they’re constitutionally incapable of
      taking us seriously. Plus, since Obama took over, his ethically challenged followers have control over the party apparatus. They’re not going to give up power in a fair fight, they’re going to do whatever it takes.

    • They may have the money but they need us for the votes. That’s why it is more important than ever to get the word out now.
      Tell you friends and co-workers it’s no longer good enough to vote for the “lesser evil”. It’s time to bring the system crashing down around congressional heads. Vote for the wackiest most off the wall candidates on the ballot.

      • Yep. I’m in “Burn The Fucker Down” mode. I’m pretty much voting for wild-eyed populists who at least seem to LISTEN to the People, not the big donors and party poobahs. Some may be D’s, some may be R’s, some may be Green or Libertarian or flat out Socialists. All will be longshots, not cozy “players” in the current system.

        My FIRST goal is to throw the current power-brokers out on their asses. After that, I’ll worry about getting 100% Liberals in later. Seem to be on the side of the Little Guy, and want to drastically clean house? Even if I don’t totally agree with you, I may just vote for you.

  32. New Post up

  33. Mike Thompson (D-CA) – North Coast Congressman Mike Thompson doesn’t think the House of Representatives health care bill is perfect, but he thinks it’s a historic step forward.

    ”I don’t think it’s close to perfect,” Thompson said Saturday afternoon, hours before he intended to vote for the bill. “This is like any other major piece of legislation — we’re going to be working on this forever. As long as there are people and there’s a need for health care, we’re going to be refining this legislation. It’s the nature of the beast. But, this bill brings us one step closer to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.”

    Mike Thompson is a worthless cull, once a man who won votes from both sides of the aisle, now and in recent years he has shown himself to be a partisan tool. He was going to vote for this bill in the very beginning, before the Recess when they were trying to ram it through. Before anyone, including himself, had read it, before anyone knew what was in it. Before the Tea Parties, before the “nasty” Town Hall meetings, before the people started asking questions and before the people told him what they thought.

    He would have voted for it no matter what was in it – and he has now done just that.

    There is no reason for us to pay for Congressmen and Senators like him to fly to Washington and maintain an office there. We know how he will vote. He does not need to be present or to attend any meetings or read any legislation. It is all dictated for him. We can fill in the blank for his vote while he sits on a street corner begging for change.

    Gone are the days when Congressmen were Statesmen.

    There is an election coming. Register to vote if you haven’t. VOTE even if you have been slacking. Make this one count.

  34. Watch the stockmarket and see how many democrats invest in coathanger and knitting needle making companies.
    Every woman that votes for a democrat now is voting against herself, her daughters and any female of the future generation.
    Axis Sally pelosi has waged war on other women and must be brought down. If it means having a republican congress for a while just to get her out then so be it. We need more independents in congress until both parties cry uncle and take us seriously. We are 51% lets use that percentage wisely and in our own best interest.
    No volunteers, No contributions, Work against any coathanger dem that voted for this.
    Lets us remember ” If Mama ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy”
    Start using the power we have. We do the shopping, we do the caring of families, we are an invincible force to be reckoned with. We raise the children, We can control the future.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  35. I’m frankly dismayed by the number of comments suggesting a National Women’s Party be called something else — something that doesn’t include the word WOMEN. Can we not maintain enough pride and resolve and righteous anger to do even that much for ourselves?

    National Women’s Party

    Full strength and undiluted, that says it all.

    *****A

  36. I got an email from Taylor Marsh about the health care debacle. She is nailing Pelosi but also laying the blame at B0’s feet. I was surprised because she switched from Clinton to B0 with alacrity and attitude at the end of the primary and her site became extremely hostile to people who didn’t do the same.

    She also has a pod cast on Clinton’s speech at the No Limits conference, if anyone’s interested.

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