Right now the House is debating the Health Care Reform bill. I’m listening to C-Span right now. If anyone else has been following the debate, please post your observations and reactions in this thread. According to Chris Bowers at Open Left, the only amendment that is being debated today is the Stupak amendment which bans people who get any government help in paying for their health insurance from getting coverage for abortion services.
According to Bowers, no progressive House members are blocking the amendment because of “Obama reassurances.” Bowers writes:
no pro-choice Democrats have threatened to vote against the bill as a result of this. Apparently, this is because of a rumor going around Congress that President Obama promised Henry Waxman that he will “personally” work to remove the language in conference. I feel so reassured.
Bowers says Bart Stupak (D-MI) is “taunting” progressives, claiming he has the votes to pass the amendment no matter what they do. On top of that the Catholic Bishops have endorsed the bill.
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops delivered a critical endorsement to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Saturday by signing off on late-night agreement to grant a vote on an amendment barring insurance companies that participate in the exchange from covering abortions.
Who is in charge here anyway?!
Ezra Klein on the Stupak deal:
The final compromises before a bill comes to the floor are never very pretty. This one, however, is worse than I anticipated. Opposition from anti-abortion Democrats, driven in large part by aggressive activism from the Catholic Church, forced Democratic leadership to allow a vote on Bart Stupak’s amendment limiting elective abortion coverage from both private and public insurers on the exchange. It reads:
The amendment will prohibit federal funds for abortion services in the public option. It also prohibits individuals who receive affordability credits from purchasing a plan that provides elective abortions. However, it allows individuals, both who receive affordability credits and who do not, to separately purchase with their own funds plans that cover elective abortions. It also clarifies that private plans may still offer elective abortions.
Because of the limits placed on the exchanges, most of the participants will have some form of premium credit or affordable subsidy. That means most will be ineligible for abortion coverage. The idea that people are going to go out and purchase separate “abortion plans” is both cruel and laughable. If this amendment passes, it will mean that virtually all women with insurance through the exchange who find themselves in the unwanted and unexpected position of needing to terminate a pregnancy will not have coverage for the procedure. Abortion coverage will not be outlawed in this country. It will simply be tiered, reserved for those rich enough to afford insurance themselves or lucky enough to receive from their employers.
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While the source of this is Michelle Malkin (ugh! — sorry double M, no linkee for you) it is good information to have. Here are the right wing Blue Dog Dems. Make your calls before the Stupak amendment is a done deal:
Altmire, Jason (PA-04) Phone: (202) 225-2565 Fax: (202) 226-2274
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24) Phone: (202) 225-3665 Fax: (202) 225-1891
Baca, Joe (CA-43) Phone: (202) 225-6161 Fax: (202) 225-8671
Barrow, John (GA-12) Phone: (202) 225-2823 Fax: (202) 225-3377
Berry, Marion (AR-01) Phone: (202) 225-4076 Fax: (202) 225-5602
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02) Phone: (202) 225-3631 Fax: (202) 225-2203
Boren, Dan (OK-02) Phone: (202) 225-2701 Fax: (202) 225-3038
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03) Phone: (202) 225-3806 Fax: (202) 225-5608
Boyd, Allen (FL-02) Phone: (202) 225-5235 Fax: (202) 225-5615
Bright, Bobby (AL-02) Phone: (202) 225-2901 Fax: (202) 225-8913
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18) Phone: (202) 225-6131 Fax: (202) 225-0819
Carney, Christopher (PA-10) Phone: (202) 225-3731 Fax: (202) 225-9594
Chandler, Ben (KY-06) Phone: (202) 225-4706 Fax: (202) 225-2122
Childers, Travis (MS-01) Phone: (202) 225-4306 Fax: (202) 225-3549
Cooper, Jim (TN-05) Phone: (202) 225-4311 Fax: (202) 226-1035
Costa, Jim (CA-20) Phone: (202) 225-3341 Fax: (202) 225-9308
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28) Phone: (202) 225-1640 Fax: (202) 225-1641
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03) Phone: (202) 225-5406 Fax: (202) 225-3103
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04) Phone: (202) 225-6831 Fax: (202) 226-5172
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02) Phone: (202) 225-3915 Fax: (202) 225-6798
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4636 Fax: (202) 225-3284
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08) Phone: (202) 225-2542 Fax: (202) 225-0378
Gordon, Bart (TN-06) Phone: (202) 225-4231 Fax: (202) 225-6887
Griffith, Parker (AL-05) Phone: (202) 225-4801 Fax: (202) 225-4392
Harman, Jane (CA-36) Phone: (202) 225-8220 Fax: (202) 226-7290
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD) Phone: (202) 225-2801 Fax: (202) 225-5823
Hill, Baron (IN-09) Phone: (202) 225-5315 Fax: (202) 226-6866
Holden, Tim (PA-17) Phone: (202) 225-5546 Fax: (202) 226-0996
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01) Phone: (202) 225-5311 Fax: (202) 225-0254
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07) Phone: (202) 225-2731 Fax: (202) 225-5773
Marshall, Jim (GA-08) Phone: (202) 225-6531 Fax: (202) 225-3013
Matheson, Jim (UT-02) Phone: (202) 225-3011 Fax: (202) 225-5638
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03) Phone: (202) 225-4031 Fax: (202) 226-3944
Michaud, Mike (ME-02) Phone: (202) 225-6306 Fax: (202) 225-2943
Minnick, Walt (ID-01) Phone: (202) 225-6611 Fax: (202) 225-3029
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05) Phone: (202) 225-2190 Fax: (202) 225-3263
Moore, Dennis (KS-03) Phone: (202) 225-2865 Fax: (202) 225-2807
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08) Phone: (202) 225-4276 Fax: (202) 225-9511
Nye, Glenn (VA-02) Phone: (202) 225-4215 Fax: (202) 225-4218
Peterson, Collin (MN-07) Phone: (202) 225-2165 Fax: (202) 225-1593
Pomeroy, Earl (ND) Phone: (202) 225-2611 Fax: (202) 226-0893
Ross, Mike (AR-04) Phone: (202) 225-3772 Fax: (202) 225-1314
Salazar, John (CO-03) Phone: (202) 225-4761 Fax: (202) 226-9669
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47) Phone: (202) 225-2965 Fax: (202) 225-5859
Schiff, Adam (CA-29) Phone: (202) 225-4176 Fax: (202) 225-5828
Scott, David (GA-13) Phone: (202) 225-2939 Fax: (202) 225-4628
Shuler, Heath (NC-11) Phone: (202) 225-6401 Fax: (202) 226-6422
Space, Zack (OH-18) Phone: (202) 225-6265 Fax: (202) 225-3394
Tanner, John (TN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4714 Fax: (202) 225-1765
Taylor, Gene (MS-04) Phone: (202) 225-5772 Fax: (202) 225-7074
Thompson, Mike (CA-01) Phone: (202) 225-3311 Fax: (202) 225-4335
Wilson, Charles (OH-06) Phone: (202) 225-5705 Fax: (202) 225-59
It sounds like it already is a done deal, which means we have to defeat the bill in the Senate.
ha. It’s worse on that side of the legislature. They’re busy making sure “prayer” is a covered medical service over there.
I hope that’s a joke
nope: real as rain. Read it and weep:
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-health-religion3-2009nov03,0,2239900.story?page=1
I can get reimbursed for a visit to a Voodoo priest or witch?
Yes, unless you’re seeking mid-wife services for your little woman.
Well that settles it. Obama’s reassurances are in the bag.
That and a buck and a half will get you a cup of coffee.
So, let me get this straight… they’ll refuse to fund abortions out of the public purse for people so poor they need help paying for their health insurance through the public purse, thereby guaranteeing those people will be poorer longer and need even more help from the public purse. Now how fiscally responsible is that?
It’s not all bad. They can go to a Christian Science practitioner if they want.
The government already refuses to pay for abortions for the poor. This is going to cut off the middle class from abortions unless they can pay out-of-pocket.
This bill doesn’t even require ins. co’s to cover pelvic exams or birth control.
What the heck is going on? What happened to our wonderful woman-friendly Democratic super-majority we were all threatened with loss of if we didn’t blindly vote for “D’s?” Shouldn’t women be doing better not worse under such a political configuration at the highest levels of government?
not only that but the people so poor that they couldn’t afford birth control since low cost birth control was stripped from the stimulus bills.
I am vowing that I will support the opponent of any mf-er that votes for this. I don’t care how batsh*t that person seems. I’m done with reproductive rights being kicked around and if I have to go radical to prove my position on reproductive rights I will.
As I seem to recall saying for the past few months, KILL THIS DAMN BILL NOW!
It’s worse than the status quo in several ways. If you paid close attention you could see this obamination coming. This process needs to start over again from square one.
I agree.
“Obamination” The perfect word for it.
I am very angry. Time to sweep them out no matter who replaces them. Democrats suck! Republicans suck! They’re all for the same corporations. If we can’t get anyone on our side, time to start messing with them and changing who’s in charge every five minutes. At least that will slow them down.
“Burn the fucker down” is the operative mode for 2010 and 12.
Yup. I was just telling my 19-year-old daughter and her friend the batshit insaneness of no women’s health coverage, but prayer healing is covered.
They were both aghast. I told them to go back to campus tomorrow (they’re in college) and tell all their Obama-lovin’ female classmates what the One really thinks of them.
I’m ready to start throwing the fuckers out, both R and D, like musical chairs until they get the message. Burn it down.
Let me add that I have no problem with the sick receiving prayers, chants, meditations, incense, interpretive dance, or anything else they think will help and will comfort them. But it’s not a basic HEALTH service.
Weiner agreed to drop his single-payer vote in this “compromise.” Some compromise! Selling out women to pass something for Obama to sign.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/single-payer-vote-dropped_n_348703.html
How the hell is that a compromise? He traded a gold brick for a turd?
maybe he can buff that turd enough to call it fool’s gold.
This is how we compromise, we agree to give up everything in exchange for a kick in the head. What, is there some strategic error in that?
When did the Bishops start creating government policy?
Is this Ireland in the 1950’s?
“Off to the laundries, fallen women! And let this be a lesson to ya! “
Chris Bowers’ list of Dems who might vote for the Stupak amendment, plus some Repubs who could be swayed.
1-877-851-6437, 1-800-828-0498, or 1-800-614-2803.
Altmire (PA-04)
Baird (WA-03)
Barrow (GA-12)
Berry (AR-01)
Boccieri (OH-16)
Boren (OK-02)
Bright (AL-02)
Carney (PA-10)
Childers (MS-01)
Costello (IL-12)
Cuellar (TX-28)
Dahlkemper (PA-03)
Davis, A. (AL-07)
L. Davis (TN-04)
Donnelly (IN-02)
Driehaus (OH-01)
Ellsworth (IN-08)
Griffith (AL-05)
Hill (IN-09)
Holden (PA-17)
Kildee (MI-05)
Lipinski (IL-03)
Lynch (MA-09)
Marshall (GA-08)
Matheson (UT-02)
McIntyre (NC-07)
Melancon (LA-03)
Mollohan (WV-01)
Oberstar (MN-08)
Ortiz (TX-27)
Peterson (MN-07)
Pomeroy (ND-AL)
Rahall (WV-03)
Ross (AR-04)
Shuler (NC-11)
Skelton (MO-04)
Snyder (AR-02)
Spratt (SC-05)
Tanner (TN-08)
Taylor (MS-04)
Visclosky (IN-01)
Wilson (OH-06)
Update: Possible Republicans to call as well:
Biggert (R, IL-13)
Castle (R, DE-AL)
Dent (R, PA-15)
Frelinghuysen (R, NJ-11)
Kirk (R, IL-10)
Capito (R, WV-02)
Jenkins (R, KS-02)
Lance (R, NJ-07)
Lee, C. (R, NY-26)
Paulsen (R, MN-03)
phone numbers for the D’s are above in the thread.
I doubt many Republicans are going to vote for the amendment because even Boehner is against it. They want the bill to fail.
R’s may feel beholden to the RW nutcases though and vote for it.
Lee, C. (R, NY-26) Wow I doubt he’d vote for it, but he’s my congress critter so I’ll place a call “just in case”.
Far be it from me to be optimistic about anything to do with the NEW DNC, but isn’t this just a maneuver to get the House bill passed? It seems like the idea is to give these Blue Dogs their day in the sun and then to cut the provision during the negotiations with the Senate. I really love Weiner and can not believe that he would disappoint us in the end. Of course, this is how I stayed a Democrat until 5/31. I may be a bit like Charlie Brown always trusting Lucy, but I do not think this provision will see the light of day.
Of course, if I am wrong we can all take any money we would have given to any candidate and create a foundation to support women who choose to have abortions but have no insurance.
Yes Honora, but riddle me this? if the Senate is even more faux than the House, what makes you think anyone on either side is interested in removing the Stupak amendment?
I guess I thought that Reid was ready to go nuclear or whatever they call it when they just need 50 votes and not 60. Then the bill goes to conference and the whole thing changes. Believe me I do not think this is going to be a good bill, but I think we will get a bill and I think this amendment will be gone. If that is not the deal with Weiner then I am ready to take my Valentine back from him.
That’s not the impression I got from Bernie Sanders on Friday. It’s apparently an uphill battle to avoid inclusion on that side. He said something to the effect of “I’ll do what I can to stop it, but the conservative Democrats are going for it.”
The mf- ing Senate Leader is pro life. I will be surprised if this gets stripped.
To me, it seems really unlikely that after using this maneuver to sucker in the Church, they’d then have the stones to turn around and screw them over. If it were progressives, hell yeah they’d double cross them in a flat second, but conservatives would scream bloody murder. I can’t see it. When even the Crown Prince of Whole Foods Nation, Bowers, can admit his King is full of it, well….
I really think you are fooling yourself, but hope not.
This is Obama’s bill. He doesn’t want abortion coverage. I don’t believe it will be in there regardless of what tinkering they do. I hope you’re right, but I doubt it.
He prolly made that promise to the Holy See.
The Democrat bill on health care has been a disaster from the very start. Everyone knew this bill was going to have major hurdles. There were some real possibilities for common ground to be established and a bill passed. But we have only the politics of personal political advantage from each of them.
Kill this bill.
Impeach them all.
Let a revolution begin.
Obama could not lead a kindergarden class to potty break without making a mess.
Methinks potty breaks are above Obama’s pay grade.
Republicans shout down Democratic women on House floor.
That was totally disgusting and unprofessional.
Take a folding chair to the ratf**kers.
What I’d like to know is where is the outrage breaking over the whole country like a tidal wave over this?
That Wilson guy (was that his name? I don’t even care) called Obama a liar — one freaking word — and the OFB and fauxgressives went ballistic.
Oh, I forgot, this is just a bunch of girls. Didn’t they get the STFU message during the primaries?
This is from Think Progress on the Stupak amendment.
Why stop there, women should never be able to use mass transit, subsidized by public money because then they will have more money to pay for abortions. Women should get no federal support for anything, we keep saving all our pennies for abortions. Makes total sense.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the bill covers breast cancer for men, but not for women. They aren’t even requiring ins cos to pay for pelvic exams! But they do have to pay for prostate preventive exams.
Hey…those moobs and penises must be protected!
How can PAP smears be covered, but not pelvic exams? The two go together.
Because we have to protect the penises from any diseases that might be up there when they enter those vaggies. C’mon, get with the program little missy. Or, as Obama sez, “sweetie.”
I didn’t think pap smears would be covered. Are they?
Last I heard, pap smears were included. Given that pelvic exams are not, and given the faith-based medicine popular in Congress, they probably count on the Immaculate Pelvic, don’t you think?
Hmmm … I’ll have to check the sewing pattern catalogs to see if they started including burkas.
Ummmm, in sexy black only of course.
You can take public transit to a women’s clinic? Congress must not have thought of that yet.
For good measure they should also ban women from public highways either on foot or in a vehicle, lest they make their way to a free clinic to get any healthcare at all for their vaginas and uteruses
Since they are also banning coverage of birth control, a lot of women will be stuck at home being pregnant, I guess.
No…if this goes through, the Vagina wars start. No SEX for the menfolk unless they join us in fighting this travesty.
Plenty of battery-operated gadgets to keep us happy in the meantime. I’m serious. This has to be a pushback across gender lines. This is the most outrageous anti-woman thing I’ve seen yet.
And to think we have a Dem super-majority and a Dem president.
I see your war now, SOD.
Sorry I was so slow earlier.
I agree we need pushback across gender lines, but how to do that when we have postfeminists blurring the lines…
Don’t give em any ideas. We’ll be Saudi Arabia in no time where we aren’t allowed to leave the house with some sort of manfolk(whether it be clergy or relative) to drive or escort us.
Bernie Sanders made it sound yesterday like it was a lost case in the Senate too.
I really don’t think it will pass the Senate. They have been hinting that nothing will pass this year at least.
No, I’m talking about expansion of the Hyde amendment. He acted as though it was a fait accompli for the Senate once it passes in the House.
Expanding the Hyde Amendment will fly through the Senate. I’m sure they’ll just love it. Ratbastids.
This amendment goes beyond Hyde.
Yep
Not only is it morally repugnant, it plays into anti-government libertarian fears. Take one penny of government assistance, the government will dictate your care. Stupak doesn’t like abortions. Smith ain’t too keen on heart transplants. Jones, funnily enough, hates DS kids. Congress will pass a law deciding who can and can’t be treated and for what.
Way to freaking go.
Can someone please spring me from mod? Thanks, love you lots.
You’re lucky. We haven’t fed Spammy in days and he was shining up his best silver. The drool was puddling at his feet.
Is it time to bring up “death panels” again yet?
I’ll give you a death panel… if this pregnancy is going to kill you, too freakin bad.. die
That qualifies for me!
Yep, I’ve already heard “rationing seniors’ health care.” Can “socialized medicine” be far behind?
But, folks, passing this health care bill will be HISTORIC brought to us by our historic prez.. (I can’t listen to any more of the speeches.)
Mute it. Listening to that much lying all at once is horrible for your health.
if by historic, they mean it reflects the historical relegation of women to a substandard level of care, then yes it is very historical.
It would seem “A Handmaid’s Tale” is being used as a blueprint for drafting legislation that affects women’s rights. I’m an “it’s my body and I’ll do what I want to” pro-choicer, but this whole thing makes absolutely no economic sense, as well as denying women the right to control over their bodies.
You’d think insurance companies would be up in arms over this limitation. After all: it’s cheaper to provide birth control than to provide abortions; and it’s much cheaper to provide abortions than to provide pre-natal, delivery and post-natal services. You’d think the insurers would be clamoring to fund “preventative” care for women. What am I missing????????
I’m not sure it has as much to do with what the insurance companies want as much as it has to do with Democrats needing women to stay disadvantaged so that they keep voting for Democrats to protect them.
Haven’t they figured out that the disadvantaged don’t vote?
No worries, they don’t think maternity care is needed either.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/09/25/sen-kyl-i-dont-need-maternity-care-services-sen-stabenow-but-your-mother-did
Did that actually go through?
The insurance companies cannot have anything to do with this part of the legislation. It will cost them, not a great deal but some.
The insurance companies went to court and won the right to exclude birth control from their formularies. They don’t care and actually this works out rather ideal for them since they have been clamoring about how fair it is for them to charge women more because we use more services. This would require us to purchase “supplemental” female insurance.
Do they cover viagra, prostate exams, implants, prostate cancer, ED, etc?
But of course. Every penis is precious. Getting your rocks off is a fundamental human right.
According to Congress, men’s rights are about human rights, women’s rights are about personal responsibility. A little bit of Democratic principle, a little bit of Republican principle. Bipartisanship, you see. Compromise away, as long as it’s women’s health that’s being compromised.
These 15 Democrats voted No on the final rule to allow a vote. They didn’t want a vote at all on this health care debacle today. Good for them even if there are Blue Dogs in the mix. .
Jason Altmire
Brian Baird
Dan Boren
Bobby Bright
Artur Davis
Charlie Melancon
Gene Taylor
Travis Childers
Parker Griffith
Jim Marshall
Walt Minnick
Ike Skelton
Heath Shuler
Loretta Sanchez
Frank Kratovil
Whoa. If this doesn’t open the eyes of those women who actually believed that Obama was some kind of “feminist”, nothing will.
Our tax money is going for the continued advertising campaign of Obama. That seems to be all he has ever been about.
Of course the bishops are against it because to paraphrase the song, ” Thank heaven for altar boys, for without them what would priests do?”
The Dems have the votes for the health care bill according to Politico.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29263.html
And of course they’ll hail this piece of anti-woman shit as “landmark” legislation — it’s more like “skidmark” legislation.
skidmark legislation indeed
Women are openly being treated like second-class, subhuman citizens in this healthcare “overhaul” effort.
Nancy Pelosi and any woman who votes for this POS should be ashamed of themselves.
No wonder Hillary got the hell outta dodge.
Natasha Chart at Open Left: Stealing Women’s Lives
http://www.openleft.com/diary/15806/stealing-womens-lives
Yes, the vagina wars are about to begin.
God I hate to say this, but it’s about time for that war! Nothing else seems to break through our consciousness, maybe that will.
what war? The women’s organizations have put on their ostrich costumes and dug a hole to bury all our heads in the sand.
SOD’s war. Women’s organizations will be a fifth column, still.
The Vagina wars. See above.
I understand… I’m just not getting my hopes up that Democratic women will push back en masse by withholding their support from Democrats… I’ll see it when I believe it…
LOL… I’ll believe it when I see it…
ahem…I’m not suggesting withholding votes my friend.
LOL
I just told the “vagina war” idea to the two young female college students currently baking a cake in my kitchen. They love the idea, but feel it should be re-named “The Great Pussy Rebellion”.
From one of the linked articles, apparently Senator Kyle (R-AZ) thinks the inclusion of maternity care is absurd since it would make his coverage more expensive when he doesn’t need it.
O.M.G.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/09/25/sen-kyl-i-dont-need-maternity-care-services-sen-stabenow-but-your-mother-did
I wonder where she was during the primaries when most of us were protesting that “present” wasn’t a good enough record on choice.
I am so disgusted with Democrats, the whole lot of them.
Something is wrong with my calendar. It says November 7, 2009. I think it is 50 years ahead.
Where are the so-called WOMEN’S organizations???
Do you really want to know? Check this shit out. N.O.W. urging passage of the bill:
http://www.capwiz.com/now/issues/alert/?alertid=14305841
so the unity pony got to Terry O’Neill too? well there goes that
And just so we’re all clear, teh google told me this:
What a bunch of s***! It is NOT a step in the right direction, unless NOW wants women to go back 50 years. UNBELIEVABLE! Somewhere, somehow, someone needs to draw a line in the stand and say “this is not okay.” No one has any guts or political courage. It is ALL about giving Obama a “win.” I am so disgusted and angry about this.
Democratic part literally sold it’s soul for a “win” for Obama. That guy may be the most damaging person in history for liberal ideals.
Many of us said from the beginning that Obama would destroy the Democratic Party and all it once stood for. We are being proved right. I don’t really like being right.
Whaaaaat????????????
They have got to be KIDDING.
But I know they’re not.
There’s just about nothing left in my head but one long screeeeeeeaaaam.
Kool-aid drunk. What expansion of coverage and benefits for women are they talking about?
no pre-existing conditions! (i.e. mandate to buy overpriced, shitty insurance)
a public option! (i.e. an option that isn’t even an option for most Americans)
In other words, nothing that they can afford. Marvelous.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/darcy-burner-says-progressive-should-no
She also commented on Natasha Chart’s piece–said she will actively campaign against anyone who votes for the Stupak amendment.
http://www.openleft.com/diary/15806/stealing-womens-lives
good for her!
The Stupak amendment is worse than I thought. It will cover almost everyone. Wow.
Got this from a comment on d-day’s blog of the vote at FDL.
It’s in my post.
Quoted in the Ezra Klein article.
oops, i must have missed the part about covering just about everybody. sorry!
No problem–just saying…I’ve done the same thing.
Ezra’s article mentioned businesses or people receiving affordability credits. This says “any” subsidy or tax credit. That may be even worse or not, depending on what’s meant by subsidy or credit.
For example, IBM will never receive an affordabilty credit but does get various federal subsidies and tax credits.
The latest speaker in the House said that the Stupak amendment will prevent any woman from buying health insurance that covers abortions–with her own money! If you buy insurance from the exchange, you can’t get coverage.
what about Federal health insurance? Are the congresscritters going to fall on their own sword?
it’s a woman’s duty to die in childbirth dammit Ralph… didn’t you get the memo?
(snark font on)
Shit I missed another memo
Did I hear right? The amendment failed?
Now the Repubs are offering their own replacement amendment.
Bastids!
So Pelosi and Obama bow down to the Catholic bishops? Does anyone think that Hillary would have been so quick to placate the Vatican?
No. we’ve seen her response when women’s issues are attacked. She was our last best hope.
“but but but Hillary is a Republican shill”
so much for the constitution and the founding of our country … women are still sperm slaves
I wonder if insurance will be allowed to cover sterilization for women?
We’ll need to pull an all nighter on this. God only knows what they’ll come up with in the dead of night. Fckrs!!!
I’m staying up. They supposedly are going to vote on the bill around 9:30.
The Stupak Amendment was voted down. Now what? Does that mean the bill itself will fail because the anti-choice Dems vote against it?
I don’t think that Stupak was voted down. I think that was a procedural vote.
From Atrios: New word in the English lexicon.
Stupak (n) – The sepsis commonly experienced after unsafe back alley abortions
-Atrios 20:01
And the definition of the new word is accompanied by a drawing of a wire coat hanger.
do we need to start another thread? this one’s getting long
I’ll start a new thread. Just give me a couple of mins.
Obamination. Now a “stupak.”
At least we’re getting excellent new words out of this.
stupak and stupid are just such close word associations the combinations are endless
then there’s the Bart Stupak, Bart Simpson associations too …
Health Care open thread part II is up.
Is anyone watching the debate on C- SPAN? I can not get it on my computer..
It’s like watching a train wreck.
I’m listening on C-Span radio. I can’t stand to look at them.
Please come up to the new thread!!! This one is getting too long.