Are We There Yet?

drugsDo we have that promised translucency in government where every one reads the bills and all negotiations are done in public forums? Wasn’t that a major campaign promise? Were we not promised there would be no backroom deals? Feeling lied to yet? Yes, well, maybe you should take two overpriced aspirin and call me in the morning.

President Obama’s deal with the drugmakers stinks of everything that was wrong with the Bush administration and everything that makes me think we’re never going to get rid of the corruption in Washington, D.C. Even Robert Reich (Obama apologist extraordinaire) blogs about it on his blog with the thread How the White House’s Deal With Big Pharma Undermines Democracy.

Last week, after being reported in the Los Angeles Times, the White House confirmed it has promised Big Pharma that any healthcare legislation will bar the government from using its huge purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices. That’s basically the same deal George W. Bush struck in getting the Medicare drug benefit, and it’s proven a bonanza for the drug industry. A continuation will be an even larger bonanza, given all the Boomers who will be enrolling in Medicare over the next decade. And it will be a gold mine if the deal extends to Medicaid, which will be expanded under most versions of the healthcare bills now emerging from Congress, and to any public option that might be included. (We don’t know how far the deal extends beyond Medicare because its details haven’t been made public.)

Let me remind you: Any bonanza for the drug industry means higher health-care costs for the rest of us, which is one reason why critics of the emerging healthcare plans, including the Congressional Budget Office, are so worried about their failure to adequately stem future healthcare costs. To be sure, as part of its deal with the White House, Big Pharma apparently has promised to cut future drug costs by $80 billion. But neither the industry nor the White House nor any congressional committee has announced exactly where the $80 billion in savings will show up nor how this portion of the deal will be enforced. In any event, you can bet that the bonanza Big Pharma will reap far exceeds $80 billion. Otherwise, why would it have agreed?

Indeed, why would they agree?  It’s just the same story any where these days, no matter what the industry.  We have a ruling class made up of  MBAs, living off bonuses, and running to the government to protect their jobs when they make bad decisions.  Their decisions aren’t even based, usually, on the product lines they produce.  It’s all about the bonuses and the stock prices and nothing more.  For big Pharma, life saving drugs are a by product of the deal.  Reich was a Washington insider with a place at the table during the 1994 slaughter of our first attempt to get health care reform.  He’s been a consistent supporter of universal health care.  He doesn’t come out and say it directly, but if this isn’t a description of pay-to-play coming out of this administration, I’ll toss my thesaurus into the Mississippi.

But I also care about democracy, and the deal between Big Pharma and the White House frankly worries me. It’s bad enough when industry lobbyists extract concessions from members of Congress, which happens all the time. But when an industry gets secret concessions out of the White House in return for a promise to lend the industry’s support to a key piece of legislation, we’re in big trouble. That’s called extortion: An industry is using its capacity to threaten or prevent legislation as a means of altering that legislation for its own benefit. And it’s doing so at the highest reaches of our government, in the office of the President.

When the industry support comes with an industry-sponsored ad campaign in favor of that legislation, the threat to democracy is even greater. Citizens end up paying for advertisements designed to persuade them that the legislation is in their interest. In this case, those payments come in the form of drug prices that will be higher than otherwise, stretching years into the future.

The public interest is being bartered away in some effort to get some kind of change, no matter who it benefits.  This is just another example of a corporate giveaway wrapped up in the mantle of doing something.   Here’s James Ridgeway from the MoJo blog in More on that White House Drug Deal.

Since I wrote last week about Obama’s capitulation to the drug industry, the White House sought to tamp down protests by Democratic House and Senate leaders by sweeping the whole business under the rug. Instead of openly agreeing to promise no control over pricing—the Obama public line earlier in the week–the White House now says, according to the Times on Saturday morning, that it’s all a big misunderstanding and the pricing question was not discussed.

Oh, come on. That is a ridiculous line, since pricing of pharmaceutical products is not only a key issue in this year’s health care reform debate, but has been at the heart of the debate over controlling drugs since the Kefauver amendments in the 1950s. Remember, the mechanism that allows Big Pharma to have its way on pricing is patent protection, which has gone virtually unchanged over the years. What the companies are looking for is a way to maintain their monopoly.

There’s your bottom line for you.  They want their monopoly.  Again, it’s all a just a business to them.  It wouldn’t make a difference to them if they were producing Sprockley’s Sprockets or blue cheese or the cure for cancer and AIDs.  The bonus class want to keep their overpriced jobs and they love monopoly.  It’s more about protecting the profits on whatever business than they’ve got now than innovating new drugs or providing new solutions.  You can just tell by the merger and acquisition rumors around the street that they’re prepared to eat the seed corn if it gets them a little cash flow from some one’s patent.  These are people that should be developing new antibiotics and antivirals.  Instead what we get are fixes for their erectile dysfunction problems and advertising for antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs and salaries for lobbyists and huge numbers of donations to political campaigns.  This is rent seeking go mad. They’re even protecting their patents on old drugs with more resources these days than the spend on research and development. How does any of this make sense for any of us other than the bonus and the political class?

Let’s stick with Mojo for awhile and look at Ridgeway’s previous blog entry.

Obama’s sellout on health care is hardly any secret, but this week’s news of an outright backroom deal guaranteeing drug makers control over pricing is one for the history books. Even the Republicans didn’t lay down for big business quite like this.

As it now stands, there is no control over drug pricing in the US (save for a gesture in that direction under the Medicare Part D prescription drug insurance plan for the elderly). The system allows drug firms to set prices for prescription drugs under Medicare, in what amount to sweetheart deals with private insurance companies. Because drug pricing and insurance costs are set—basically at will—by these two industries, critics have demanded the government step in and set prices. Those demands haven’t gone anywhere, but never has there been an explicit announcement from on high about the arrangement. It’s always been just another one of Washington’s dirty little secrets.

So, for the appearance of bi-partisan health care reform, we get the shaft that keeps on coming, way until our senior years. Check out this bottom line.

As for the drug company’s $80 billion voluntary gift to the President to help achieve the appearance of bi-partisan health care reform, it’s all smoke and mirrors. No more than $20 billion will go to help Medicare recipients. The rest is to be doled out according to some unknown plan set forth by the drug makers. And the money to help the elderly is limited to brand-name drugs, many of them coming off patent and about to go generic. The industry wants to keep on selling the more expensive brand-name versions, and thus will supposedly subsidize the elderly to buy those products. Put another way, a person covered under Medicare could save money under the existing plan if he/she buys generics. Under the Big Pharma plan, elderly people who choose the name-brand drug will get a subsidy to keep them from switching to generics that would save money across the entire system.

This just isn’t bad public policy, it’s malevolent public policy.  I’m at a loss for words to describe what the motivation is for this continual sell out to corporate interests on terms that are so harmful to the country it’s law suit worthy.  This stuff comes with damages!  What’s even more confusing is that a good deal of the so-called  liberal political class seem to be going along with it.  Are there any real democrats left standing?  Why is the administration doing this?

So, let me close with Reich’s bottom line.  It doesn’t include an apology for being part of the crowd that brought us this mess, but it at least contains a warning.

I don’t want to be puritanical about all this. Politics is a rough game in which means and ends often get mixed and melded. Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that’s the case, our democracy is in terrible shape. How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation? When will it become standard practice that such deals come with hundreds of millions of dollars of industry-sponsored TV advertising designed to persuade the public that the legislation is in the public’s interest? (Any Democrats and progressives who might be reading this should ask themselves how they’ll feel when a Republican White House cuts such deals to advance its own legislative priorities.)

We’re on a precarious road — and wherever it leads, it’s not toward democracy.

Just read that last sentence over and over to yourself and wonder how so many people got fooled.  Yes, Robert, our democracy is in terrible shape.

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96 Responses

  1. It doesn’t matter whether you take the red pill or the blue pill – either way you’re screwed.

  2. It’s funny to me though, that Reich and other OFB refuse to recognize the other group behind health finance reform; the insurers. The insurers are willing to give up precondition exclusions and underwriting for a captive, expanding market. As far as I am concerned that’s what they are getting.

  3. Not a big fan of Reich, but he actually criticizes the health plan here:

    The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
    By Robert Reich

    I’m a strong supporter of universal health insurance, and a fan of the Obama administration. But I’m appalled by the deal the White House has made with the pharmaceutical industry’s lobbying arm to buy their support

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/10/pharma/

  4. According to Business Week, the Insurance companies have already won……

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_33/b4143034820260.htm

    • I think that’s wishful thinking on their part. We still have a chance up until it is actually passed.

      • Really? If this bill passes, then they certainly have won. I don’t know how anyone can dispute that. This is the same bill the Blues wrote up here in MA.

      • Can we raise enough money to buy the government back before they pass some roaring pos? If not, looks like health care reform is doomed.

      • I don’t know that we ever had a chance but I admire your optimism. Just wish I had some of my own. I gave up on the whole health care reform charade a while back and have been on disengage. It’s so damn depressing.

    • I think it was all over at the Indiana/NC primary.

      • I suppose, in my heart, I knew it was over when I heard “liberal leaning” men in my office “joking” about Hillary back in January 2008. It’s a damn shame that so many can’t see how misogyny is, literally, killing us.

    • Rep. Mike Ross Explains Why He Voted For the Health Care Bill in Committee: “If it had been based on Medicare rates, I can assure you that it would have eventually ended up resulting in a single payer-type system, because Medicare has really good rates, because they’re negotiating for every senior in America. Private insurance companies could not have competed with that. And so we would have at the end of the day ended up with single payer.” h/t TGW

      • “Medicare has really good rates”

        Shouldn’t that tell him something? Funny, I thought competition was supposed to benefit consumers, not private insurance companies.

  5. OT: Obama Admin plans to do less cleanup of toxic waste sites than Bush Admin, quelle surprise

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-us-toxic-cleanups-obama,1,1100668.story

    • I’ll never forget Obama when he came to Oregon and somebody asked him about Hanford. He said he didn’t know anything about it but he’d look into it. Brilliant!

      Of course the irony was that he had voted on bills about it while in congress. Hanford is only one of the biggest, most expensive superfund sites in the country. And he said he didn’t know anything about it. Good grief.

      • Yes, I’ll never forget that either-I bookmarked it!

        Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”

        • He was ignorant of it because the minute his ass landed in the Senate, he didn’t get to work learning about issues and legislation. No, he immediately started planning and focusing on his presidential run. That is ALL he cared about. His senate seat was never a job to him, just a required stepping stone and fake resume-builder on his way to the presidency.

          I doubt he ever read a single bill he voted on – just had his handlers tell him which was the the most politically advantageous way to vote and moved on to the “important” issue, which was positioning himself as Teh One for 2008.

          • I swear I remember him quoted as saying he found senate work “boring” even before he announced his presidential run.

      • Was this the same set of rallys where he put one of the Great Lakes in the Northwest? Pretty astounding than anyone hasn’t heard of Hanford, let alone a Senator.

    • Well, that’s a real winger prospective.

      • I don’t understand these people that think that a third party payer market can be made competitive by letting the third party payers run amok. They’re a symptom of a failed market, not a solution.

        • It’s total lunacy! I’m starting to believe there’s not a free market for anything in this country anymore. Small businesses still have more or less fair competition, but big business?

          • somebody needs to tell most republicans that the antithesis to capitalism is oligopoly and monopoly … they seem to be still looking for communists under the bed

          • Don’t know where you’d find any communists or socialists in the US with any power. There’s one hell of a lot of Oligarchs on Wall St with their mini-Mes running the government.

            That should piss off Republicans as much as Democrats but I guess that message isn’t out.

          • The problem is that we have BOTH in this bill. We do have a govt power grab, no question about it. But they are also in bed with the moneyed interests.

            The bill wants to set up a Health Care advisory board with the total power to determine coverage, benefits, what plans “qualify” etc. This board is TWO THIRDS appointed by the president, with no involvement by congress. Sorry but that is a HUMONGOUS Executive power grab. So I can understand why some see that as “govt takeover”, even if they are calling it by erroneous names like “communism”. To many, in the common vernacular, communist is just shorthand for extreme govt powers.

            At the same time, they are in bed with Big Money. So it’s the worst of both worlds, i.e. oligarchy. People GET that it’s scary and wrong, even if they are a little muddled in what they call it.

  6. Any of you really surprised?
    About any of it?

  7. I have been thinking…we don’t have a government…it’s all a big game. We have no idea who is telling us the truth. No idea who cares about the American and the illegal people. No idea where we are going. Should Howie Mandell be in charge?

    • We have the best government that money can buy.

      Unfortunately someone else outbid us.

      • Ain’t that the truth.

        I remember hearing “The Best President Money Can Buy” — a song by a Seattle-area folksinger, Jim Page, written back in the Reagan era. Reagan, one of Obama’s heroes.

        Obama’s on a course to out-do Reagan.

    • this world shifted into one big ponzi game a long time ago – just move the bodies around, send the money here, there and anywhere you need it to be to make your dream happen if you’re part of the puppet master team

    • Well we KNOW 0zero is lying —

      perhaps we need to make a list of the people lying and the ones NOT on that list might be telling the truth?

  8. I still can’t believe we’re going to see windfall profits based on sick people. That’s just plain pathologically evil.

  9. I am so sick of Obama and the drug companies. I have a 26 year old niece with kidney failure. My sister donated her kidney to her seven years ago but now it is failing. She has another donor lined up but they won’t do the transplant until she’s so sick that she needs to go on dialysis. That’s not about health or care. It’s about money and greed. How will decisions like this be made if this bill passes?

    • based on the bottom line, the bonus criteria, and the stock market’s quest for capital gains.

    • My mother’s kidney doctor told us the same thing. They don’t act until they absolutely have to. Logic tells me that is an insurance company policy.

      • I was taking chemotherapy and they had meds that would’ve stopped my bloodcounts from nearly killing me (shots = $1000) a pop. My insurance company wouldn’t okay it until I was nearly dead and over with the series. Then I got a package of the shots and only used one.

        Meanwhile, I had these leftover shots and there were other folks who needed them badly but their insurance company wouldn’t pay for it.

        I gave my leftovers to nurse and basically said, Dispose of them properly with the hopes they’d help some one else. Illegally,yes, but I feel no remorse about it at all if that’s where they wound up and I’m hoping they did. Withholding treatment for sick people should be illegal.

        Insurance companies ration health care based on profits, not health. Don’t tell me a single payer plan sponsored by the Fed’s would be any less heartless. I’ve had a few too many major illnesses to buy that one.

        • The love of my life is a Type 1 diabetic and has been since the age of 3. She suffers so much but could hopefully be cured with a pancreatic transplant but they won’t do that until you are so sick that you need a kidney as well. Just think of all the money the drug companies make on her needles, insulin, test strips, glucometer, etc etc. It’s inhumane. At this point I’m not sure what the answer is. All I know is she is a teacher and has a pension and if they take away her health care benefits we are screwed.

          • Did you know that Type 2 can be instantly reversed with gastric bypass on many adults? Most employers refuse to all that procedure to be covered in the policies they make available to their employees.

          • Does she have the real time blood sugar monitor from Dexcom yet? It has helped someone I know tremendously.

            djmm

        • I’ve told my family for decades that they will have to wait for the autopsy results to find out what I died of because I’m not going to live under the mercy and control of doctors and insurance during my final days.

          Having watched the process they used on my mother, I stand even more firm on that. Medicare didn’t say NO to anything, so they destroyed her system with invasive tests and expensive treatments unrelated to her illness. They killed her liver with overdoses of antibiotics when the hospital put her through test after test until she finally got the hospital-only virus. They knew they did that, and yet pretended they had no idea what caused the ascites and didn’t suggest the stent to allow her liver to begin healing until it was too late.

          I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know we aren’t even close right now.

        • “Don’t tell me a single payer plan sponsored by the Fed’s would be any less heartless.”

          …or any more heartless, either!

        • Exactly for every single payer plan ” horror story” they come up with, one can match and trump with what we got now….the plus we wouldn’t pay though the nose and still be denied care with UHC….they couldn’t take our money and then deny the service…what other business besides death care insurers and Wall St. can you get away with that? It’s called stealing.

      • Yes. I know someone who has liver cancer. The docs want to know if it is in the lymph nodes yet. The insurers say that isn’t necessary yet. A young man I know dropped 40 pounds without changing his diet or routine within a couple months. The docs want a CAT scan. The insurers said no, it might be stress. The insurers are the rationers.

        • Yup, the insurance companies are there to make money. I love my doctor. I’ve been going to her for almost 14 years. On my last visit my cholestrol was up a bit high and she said “I’m not going to let your health deteriorate. I want to see you every four months. I don’t want your insurance company to think this is a pre-existing condition and start denying you service”. WTF?

          • They are. But, it is the employers who decide what will be included and excluded in the policies they offer to their employees.

            I’ve never, ever been in a company where the employer has asked the employees what they would find most important in their policies, what they would even be willing to pay extra for, or whether a different insurance company would be preferred.

            The insurance companies have exceptionally high paid doctors and nurses who review the cases that require pre-approval and start dictating to the doctors what cheap treatments they must try before escalating to the more expensive cures. On just the salaries of those brick walls insurance companies would be able to pay for a plethora of necessary treatments.

          • yeah, i’m having that with blood pressure now … i’m sure it’s just stress from everything in my life right now, but the doctor doesn’t want to take a chance

        • …..and the death panels.

          • The GOP approves of the CURRENT FOR PROFIT DEATH PANELS (gate keepers), because the insurance companies are making the profits.

          • Woman Voter, on August 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

            Exactly. What they are trying to frighten us with, we already have now. Perhaps it’s because the elite’s own health care is so good , that they don’t realize it .

            When a company says it won’t over your life saving procedure…. imo, that’s a ruling by a death panel

  10. Big Pharma is doing the same thing that the banks and mortgage brokers did. Screw serving an actual, sane, productive purpose in society, and yes. making MONEY from it. That’s fine. I have never had a problem with banks or drug companies making as handsome a profit as they wished, so long as they were providing a service to society – whether raising capital for productive business ventures, or developing life-saving drugs.

    But just as the banks threw any concern for fiscal soundness or real investing out the window to go chasing after huge bonuses and “grab as much as you can before they get wise to the Ponzi scheme”, so too Big Pharma is gutting research, forgetting their productive purpose, and doing whatever it takes to drive the stocks and paper profits up. It is no longer about making helpful drugs and profiting from those discoveries (which I am all for). It is something altogether different now.

    When industries become monopolistic, corrupt, tied to govt, and unconcerned with PRODUCING anything of value, then that’s not capitalism and that’s not competition. It is a cannibalizing of the markets and of the treasury. If someone wants to get STINKING RICH providing something of value to society, then I say go for it – and more power to ya. But this is not what is happening.

  11. Arrrgh. I could stay and rail about this all day, but the 2 1/2 year old grandbaby has been dancing around me for 30 minutes:

    Neena, I wanna go swimmin’! Neeeeenaaaa! I wan’ go pooool, Neena!

    It’s 101 here today. I guess it’s off to the neighborhood pool with the antsy grumpy little girl. Catch you guys later.

  12. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8193920.stm

    when backtrack took over the auto business, didn’t he close a lot of dealerships costing jobs?
    So how many jobs does this create in the industry?

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  13. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/10/national/w091836D64.DTL&feed=rss.business

    The obots will be swarming like locusts for a while. They are as annoying as fleas but I guess they need the money.

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  14. OT: Here’s the first sign in the crack that will be the commercial mortgage meltdown:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124985862195117909.html

    and a related link:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124986079948018087.html?mod=sphere_ts&mod=sphere_wd

  15. Top Insurance lobbyist….

    WASHINGTON – August will be a make-or-break month for the drive to revamp the health care system, as members of Congress use the recess to either sell the need for an overhaul to voters or continue attacks on the insurance industry, the chief of the insurers’ main lobbying arm said Monday.

    Karen Ignagni, president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, told editors and reporters from The Associated Press that recent broadsides against the industry by President Barack Obama and other leading Democrats are designed as a distraction as the health care debate becomes more contentious.

    Rather than continue those attacks, lawmakers should use the summer break to emphasize the need to reshape the system, which she and many others on both sides of the debate agree is becoming unaffordable for government, business and many families.

    “If August is about villainization” and lawmakers don’t tell their constituents about the changes that can be made, “that will mean members of Congress will come back to Washington without a strong sense that health care reform is doable. And that would be a lost opportunity,” she said.

    “We think health care reform is going to be won or lost in August,” she said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090810/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul_insurance_industry

    • >>>>recent broadsides against the industry by President Barack Obama and other leading Democrats are designed as a distraction as the health care debate becomes more contentious.

      “designed as a distraction” – Yes, while Pelosi and Obama are bashing the Insurance industry that donates to Congress’ and Obama’s campaigns – Obama is making back room deals with the Pharma industry.
      And God only know what he’s given the Insurance industry.

    • Karen Ignagni, president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, told editors and reporters from The Associated Press that recent broadsides against the industry by President Barack Obama and other leading Democrats are designed as a distraction as the health care debate becomes more contentious.

      like the NAFTA bashing during the primaries

    • It’s all a farce. If the Dems were really taking on the insurance industry, Harry and Louise wouldn’t be for Obamacare.

  16. >>How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation?

    How soon until ostriches like Robert Reich figure out that is exactly what’s been happening for years?

    Carolyn Kay
    MakeThemAccountable.com

  17. I’m amazed at how many cranes continue to exist in the skyline here east of Seattle in downtown Bellevue. Bellevue Towers ( 550 unit luxury condo complex) has only 43 units sold, and from what is visible, appears less than half of those sold units are occupied yet. The commercial high rises under construction, and newly completed are looking just as grim.

    I see Neiman Marcus is putting in their first store in this area, though.

    The eastside of Seattle is one of the higher per capita areas in the country if what I read not long ago is correct.

    • yeah, dad lives in the middle of that construction, his little senior apt complex is now dwarfed by them. It’s mostly microsoft related. My sister has a house on lake washington there.

      • Those “little senior apt complexes” in downtown Bellevue are mighty fine living. Much of it is Microsoft related, but they are not filling up those buildings.

  18. http://www.freep.com/article/20090807/NEWS06/908070387/Tempers-flare-over-health-care

    The American people are beginning to wake up and question congress. This is a good thing. It is the peoples government and every once in a while they have to be reminded of that fact. They have a habit of forgetting.
    When was the last time congress had to answer questions?
    This is what the peoples government should be, Hold them accountable for their actions and when they forget who voted them in , vote them out.

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  19. How else are they going to stamp,catalog and sell your medical history if there is no mando govt healthcare?

  20. http://www.maniacworld.com/our-greatest-enemy-the-ego.html

    this is something that backtrack needs to hear. should I e-mail to the fishy site?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

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  21. DK: I guess you saw this yesterday either on nola.com or in the T.P:

    The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the drug industry lobby known as PhRMA, has run television ads in New Orleans, Baton Rouge and Lafayette thanking Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, for being “a leader, steadfast in his support for innovative biomedical research.”

    Guess he owed some favors to Billy Tauzin.

  22. If this is true I guess reform is for hire

    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/08/09/lets-talk-astroturf/
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    Posted by Caleb Howe (Profile)

    Sunday, August 9th at 4:45PM EDT

    65 Comments
    So I received an email/comment this morning about a craigslist ad soliciting health care activism for money. “Activism for money,” I thought!! Was this it at last? The missing link Democrats have been searching for? Obamacare opponents turning up at town halls really are a mob?

    We really are nothing but a slew of paid hacks drummed up by the promise of easy cash by cynical Obamacare opponents to create an artificial appearance of opposition?!?

    Ummmm, no. (click for full size)

    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/files/2009/08/reform-for-hire1.jpg
    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/08/09/lets-talk-astroturf/
    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/files/2009/08/reform-for-hire1.jpg

  23. Please don’t think poorly of me but that pill picture looks really good to me. I am struggling not to lick the screen. I’ve never taken any Mother’s Little Helpers but Obama and all his drama is making me feel so anxious and depressed. And frustrated!! I’m sure ya’ll are feeling it, too. I wish there was a magic pill we could all take to feel better about what is going on. Or, conversely, maybe someone could slip some Liberal President powder into his morning coffee? There’s only one of him so it would be more “cost-effective”!!!

  24. Have you seen this? Gladney doesn’t have health insurance because he was recently laid off. You know … Gladney … the guy who was roughed up by the union guys.

    But even he (again … he doesn’t have health insurance) is opposed to govmint-run healthcare. I just don’t even know what to say:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/10/gladney-uninsured/

    • People are scared. The Gov has failed to address the trust issue required in order to pass health care. People have an innate fear of Gov, we don’t want to be left behind in a superdome somewhere waiting for the Gov to get around to caring about us.

      It’s a shame because Hillary understood this inside and out, it was one of the lessons she took away from her fight for health care.

      • HR 676 Single Payer ala Medicare, doesn’t scare anyone, but Obama wouldn’t let it onto the table of discussions. Under HR 676 Single Payer, Kenny Gladney would have been insured and gone out the following week to protest all he wanted. If Medicare is good enough for our seniors, its good enough for us and it would take the Profiteers out of Health Care.

    • Don’t Tread on Kenny Gladney, cuz he is defending your right to be uninsured, just like him. He would like you to join 50 Million uninsured, the 14,000 a week that are loosing their insurance each week, the 25 Million of of under insured, and let’s hope he isn’t fighting for you to join the 60 Americans that die each day due to lack of health insurance.

      I hope Mr. Kenny Gladney took notice that none of his fellow protesters manned up to help pay his hospital bill. Next time, before heading out to protest against health insurance reform, he should ask that they insure him for at least the day…oh, but that wouldn’t make him self sufficient would it?!? Gee, it’s tough being a Republican these days, without health insurance. :-(

      Oh, ignorance is bliss…until the BILL arrives! :shock:

      • On another site someone suggested the GOP send him a pair of bootstraps.

        The poor bloke’s going to be facing a whopping medical bill. He’s now officially the poster boy for BOTH sides.

    • myiq2xu should do a post on this story, it is just to unbelievable. Their poster man, is uninsured… Good Lord!!!

      • He’s insured under his wife’s plan. The donations taken at the rally were to help them pay the cash costs of their very high deductible.

  25. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance.

    Gee, he should have signed up for COBRA, what with the special deal on assisting with your payments now. How dumb.

    • Most people don’t know about that, and aren’t informed either by their employers. It should be a mandate that employers have the employees sign up, or refuse upon their exit interview, rather than the company mailing out the information. Often the information comes after the fact and then the insurance companies want retro active pay and the paper work is daunting.

  26. wmcb – we are seeing the exact same thing happen in the pharma industry as we saw in the auto industry – American car makers decided they didn’t have to change, do research build better (hybrid) cars – now pharmas are cutting back on research so soon foreign companies will have better drugs and they will complain that they can’t keep up :( – boo hoo

  27. Maybe WMCB and RD could give us some insight on what role the government is playing in Big Pharma dropping the ball on new research and development. I follow some of the small bio-techs as well as the biggies and there seems to be issues around the whole structure of how research gets turned into viable products that help people live a better life. The long clinical trials and the whole process—how much of a role do they play in compressing new stuff?

  28. I think we are seeing that magical tipping point that seems to be the drug of choice for all politicians—that point at which they all over reach and are too full of themselves. Stop and think about the huge political puffing that Obama has done since taking office and how little any part of it has done for the lives of any ordinary American.
    1. Financial bailouts: great for the banks, Goldie Socks and Wall St. has not created any jobs; has made credit for small business and individuals enormously expensive. Saved ignormous bonuses for hedge fund and derivative traders.
    2. Mortgage Relief: has dragged out endlessly and the more it drags out the fewer people qualify for the relief. Even when relief happens is usually just means that your payments get spread out over 40 years so you can pay less each month and pay for the rest of your life +.
    3. Cash for Clunkers: may help immediately but once the program is over will there be any more buyers in the showrooms?
    4. Credit Card Reform: Every credit card co. on the planet has increased their credit card rates. I just got a letter from Am Ex today notifying me that the new rate on purchases will be 15% and 25% + late fees if you are late with a payment. Glad it was a card with no balance and I could call and cancel it.
    5. Lilly Ledbetter: did that get anyone any thing?
    6. Auto bailouts—the only US auto maker doing well is the one that did not take bailout money.
    7. The economy: Still going declining and job losses now standing at around 7 million.
    8. State budgets: mostly tanking. mostly cutting back community service workers like police, fire and whatever.

    Now we are engaged in this great debate about health care reform. Do you really wonder that there is an outcry against a government run system? Paul Krugman says, hey, we did not go over the cliff and big government saved us. And he is probably right. But if we are saved and we are dangling over the side hanging on to a tree branch provided to us by brother gov.—is it a surprise that nobody is real excited about brother gov. taking on more of those tree branches on the side of the cliff?

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