Anything that comes out about Dick Cheney these days may set a new low for Constitutional Shock and Awe in the beltway but it never surprises me. Anyone trained in the the Nixon White House has to be well versed in enemies lists that basically include any one that disagrees with your agenda and adept at paranoid manipulation of government agencies.
From the NY Times to the Washington Post to the nattering nabobs of cultural Obanality at CNN, everything is coming up probes. While the White House wants to avoid looking back, the Justice Department appears to be sending out signals that it will look back, hard and deep (per Newsweek). To Eric Holder, servant of the people, I say, full steam ahead! Do we finally have Richard B. Cheney in the targeting sights of ladies liberty and justice or are we being teased again? The economy, universal health care, and just about every other agenda we could possibly support means nothing if our rule of law means nothing. President Obama, of all people, should know and appreciate this.
Holder’s decision could come within weeks, around the same time the Justice Department releases an ethics report about Bush lawyers who drafted memos supporting harsh interrogation practices, the sources said. The legal documents spell out in sometimes painstaking detail how interrogators were allowed to subject detainees to simulated drowning, sleep deprivation, wall slamming and confinement in small, dark spaces.
Any criminal inquiry could face challenges, including potent legal defenses by CIA employees who could argue that attorneys in the Bush Justice Department authorized a wide range of harsh conduct. But the sources said an inquiry would apply only to activities by interrogators, working in bad faith, that fell outside the “four corners” of the legal memos. Some incidents that might go beyond interrogation techniques that were permitted involve detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are described in the secret 2004 CIA inspector general report, set for release Aug. 31.
Among the unauthorized techniques allegedly used, as described in the report and Red Cross accounts, were shackling, punching and beating of suspects, as well as the waterboarding of at least two detainees using more liquid and for longer periods than the Justice Department had approved. That conduct could violate ordinary criminal laws, as well as the U.N. Convention Against Torture, which the United States signed more than a decade ago.
We have to rely on the independence and spine of Holder and the balls of congress who have allowed themselves to be nothing but talking heads when it comes to their duties of oversight. Can we rely on them to be truly pissed off enough at Cheney’s ordering the CIA to keep them out of the loop on secret programs for them to actually find some brass ones and do their job?
House Democrats said yesterday that they expect to launch a formal investigation into a secret CIA program that was not disclosed to Congress for almost eight years, a probe that could entangle senior Bush administration officials who oversaw intelligence issues.
Democrats on the House intelligence committee said the inquiry would examine both the nature of the still-secret program and the decisions to keep congressional oversight committees in the dark about its existence.
“This wasn’t an oversight. There was an order given to not inform Congress,” said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), chairman of the panel’s oversight and investigations subcommittee.
Lawmakers learned of the program from CIA Director Leon Panetta at closed-door briefings June 24 for the House and Senate intelligence committees. The day before, CIA officials informed Panetta of the program and told him Congress had not been briefed. He then canceled it.
The New York Times, on its Web site, reported yesterday that Panetta has told the committees that Vice President Richard B. Cheney gave the order to keep the information from Congress. The newspaper cited unnamed sources.
In an interview last night with The Washington Post, an intelligence official said it was “generally known” from the beginning that Cheney had requested that the program be kept from Congress. The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said it was unclear whether the agency was obligated to brief Congress.
During the second half of the Bush administration, CIA officials did not consult with the administration about the program or take orders from Cheney to keep it secret, according to former agency officials who held senior posts at the time.
The Constitution is quite specific about the duties given to Congress, the President and the Vice President, and others. I do not recall ever reading that the Vice President could order any agency to withhold briefings to its appropriate Congressional Oversight Committee. Call me plain old fashioned, but we need to ensure that we never have a President that delegates the destruction of the Constitution to a Vice President ever again. I won’t even start in on the idea of a President that delegates violating the terms of the Geneva Convention and other treaties we’ve negotiated and signed to a Vice President. If we do have a Constitutional “scholar’ in the White House now, he needs to step aside and let the Justice Department do its job or be held equally accountable for the weakening of the supreme law of the people. We, the citizens, need to drop every thing else until rule of law is firmly reestablished in this country.
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Will there ever come a time when this POS disappears into the realm of irrelevance? He’s like a disease that can’t be cured.
for sure.he just won’t go away.
Interesting that Eric Holder may go with investigations since Obama and the WH have ordered(?) Holder to defend the worst abuses of the Bush Admin. I wonder if the Gibbs meme “Obama’s Dept. of Justice” has p*ssed off Holder. Traditionally there was supposed to be a distance between the WH and the DOJ. Bush/Cheney had the political arm of the WH running the DOJ and Obama seems to be following the same policy. I don’t think much of Eric Holder but if he goes after war criminals, I will change my opinion.
From what I understand this accountable thing will be limited to the peons who actually followed orders rather than to the policy makers who actually made them the standing orders.
What a surprise. We should organize the peons by income. Hey, who comes from a wealthy, prominent family? Okay, you’re free to go.
I think your are right but Obama has set up a wall against investigating war crimes. Any breach will open the flood gates. Under US law (War Crimes Act of 1996) there is no statute of limitations for war crimes.
read the news week link. Some of the news stations this morning were thinking it was a trial balloon for Rahm to deal with
I am not going to get my hopes up until I see Cheney” hauled off to jail. I am a tad bit skeptical about all this. Why now? Why the full court press? Why is Rahm saying one thing and Obama another?
We shall see wont we Dak?
yes, we shall. Hopefully, the press won’t let the White House shirk it off …
fair enough…and then I can harldy wait for 4 years from now when we can go back and prosecute Obama for all of his illegalities…that will be great fun.
More power to you. Our party needs to be cleaned out, and it sure isn’t Going to happen voluntarily.
we need to cleanse the entire pack of them …
can we keep Kucinich and DeFazio? I kinda like them.
and maybe give Franken a chance to show his stones.
yeah, we can keep a few of them, but not many !!!!
Let’s keep Feingold.
and Bernie Sanders please
i dont know if he will or not go after DARTH CHENEY.
but if he dose why not go after BO right now at the same time.
it’s a game and a dance. sure has kept bush quiet. chaney not so quiet. everything, for the most part, they do purposefully. don’t forget, this is the pres and administration that controls the media and will pull any stunt to not have criticisms flung its way. holder and bush are enjoying the game. if it hadn’t been for michael jackson’s death, we would have had the obama russian/european/hope pope/african star studded tour.
they want to keep the cia and cheney and lies and stories in the news to try and rehabilitate nancie’s reputation. while cheney might be a real bad guy, they are completely playing him for all he is worth.
It’s also convenient to bamboozle the Failbots on the off chance they get rowdy. Throw around a little hot air and to them it’s as good as actually doing something. They’ll be right there with a bucketfull of excuses for why they really, really meant to, but just couldn’t in the end.
i was listening to someone who actually worked for the CIA in the past and he was saying the CIA should not be used by either political party and should not really hire people who had worked closely with either party to run it. I agree with much. So we shall see. I also understand what they are talking about is program that was never actually started anyway. Something just keeps telling me this is about saving Nancy Pelosi’s reputation, i might be wrong though who the hell knows. Eric Holder has been involved in some shady deals himself.
Is it just me or has washington dc become the house of drama, it’s tooooooo much to comprehend sometimes and it’s something every freaking day, what the hell is going on up there a free for all?
Eric Holder has been involved in some shady deals himself.
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Exactly…I don’t think he is ethically “fit” to be AG. Defending United Fruit aka “Chiquita Brands” was the worst of his “shady deals”.
Never forget the arrogance:
According to Glenn Greewald, the Holder “investigation” will be pretty meaningless. Too bad. I got my hopes up for a little while there. I don’t know why….
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
Told ya.
I can’t stand the suspense! What the fuck was the CIA up to and why did it take so long for Panetta to find out? Anyone got a clue?
It must be a doozy — I heard that even republicans on the intelligence committee were shocked.
Yeah, honestly, remember that program where they were paying parents to let them expose their kids to toxic chemicals and see how much they’d absorb? It sounds tinfoil hat, but it was a real program, Franken did shows about it and it was on the government’s website. Doing stuff like that in the open, god knows what was going on on the DL.
Mike Malloy (radio leftie who doesn’t like Obama) said he thought it might be related to Honduras? because of the timing. Might be a bit tinfoily because Malloy tends to head down those paths.
Mike Malloy doesn’t like Obama? Too bad he massacred Hillary for months and voted for Obama in the primary. I had to stop listening to him and I can’t trust him anymore.
here’s the politico take …
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24821.html
Come on. The CIA was doing what they always do–spying on peace groups. It has even been reported.
Not to mention spying on Church groups, Nuns, The elderly pinnacle club to name a few. This is so shocking that even Republicans are stunned huh? could it be that the CIA was spying on Congress?
Just athought.
That Politico story doesn’t even say that any CIA operations in the U.S. are illegal. They probably don’t even know that. It’s gotten to the point where the laws are meaningless to politicians and the media.
I know, and that scares the daylights out of me …
does not mesh with the use of the term “massive” to describe it. Way to play the smoke and mirrors game intel.
I’m betting they found out what “wiretapping” meant in this context. I would be very surprised if the NSA/CIA hasn’t been hoovering up every possible bit of communications everywhere and calling that “wiretapping”.
Remeber TIA (Total Information Awareness) that got turned down early on? Chances are the Bushies just did it anyway.
Yes, and I remember COINTELPRO, MK-ULTRA, BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE and on and on.
Of course they did Total Information Awareness, and Obama is doing it too.
Even the Republican congress voted to kill Total Information Awareness. What they were talking about was a police state waiting to happen.
Imagine spying on peace groups is small potatoes compared to spying on everybody.
This country gets more Orwellian every day, I swear
or perhaps more in the vein of Huxley, hard to keep track of it all
TIA was data mining gone batshit insane. The unscrupulous uses for the tons data they were going to collect could boggle the mind.
I can see the Dept of Future Crimes now.
I didn’t mean that literally. I just meant they spied on regular Americans rather than actual terrorists. It’s all about controlling us.
Besides, the police state already exists. They have everything in place in case they have to crack down.
Don’t i know that …
Thanks dakinikat – for this post. I sense the newsweek article is the biggest of trial balloons. The blow back from the GOP will be severe. And no one in the BHO admin. will take the heat. Not even Holder. Doubt any investigation will ever occur.
Is it just me, or does it sound like, according to Durbin, that is wasn’t such a small “on again off again” program in the Politico article?
“The executive branch of government should not create programs like these programs and keep Congress in the dark,” Durbin said on ABC’s “This Week”. “To have a massive program that was concealed from the leaders in Congress is not only inappropriate, it could be illegal.”
I wrote about this a few days ago. All the news stories said it was “massive.” And the report is very sanitized. They didn’t investigate anyone really big.
Sorry, BB, I missed that post.
I may be way off, but my personal opinion is that there was a pre-election deal not to prosecute the players. Where would it end?
So much for National Security. Who needs a Congress that can’t protect its people from their own President/Vice President?
really really good question
Breaking Update on this at the WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124736381913627661.html
The Wall Street Journal is breaking News Again? Sheesh, is there no shame in journalism any more?
more from that article:
I know it’s the WSJ, but the Repubs are doing a good job of muddying the waters. Unless the Dems have a smoking gun, they’re probably going to end up looking like fools once again.
OT — more breaking news:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/kim-jong-il-has-pancreatic-cancer-report-20090713-dhww.html
Kim Jong il has pancreatic cancer
Does the CIA actually do anything related to its original charter anymore? Seems like they spend a lot of time trying to topple governments instead of gather meaningful intel.
obviously not and I point to the world trade center attacks and the USS Cole attack as references …
dak – glad to see you back posting and sorry about what happened to you.
I don’t comment often but read all of your posts. Several months back a long time friend was trying to sort out the changing economic picture and he kept calling me for help. I repeatedly told him that I was getting my continuing education at TC and while I read and understood most of what you wrote I could not parrot it back. Finally he got the picture and began checking in here for info. Thanks from both of us for the online lessons.
Please give a shout if we can help in any way.
Thanks for sharing.
New post up.