A change whose time has come, or a recipe for disaster?

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Change we can believe in?

I saw this article this morning in the Washington Post and thought that it would be a good topic of discussion at this site.  As many of you know, we have some of the finest legal minds out there as front pagers and contributors to this blog, so I’d certainly like to get their take on this initiative to reform the Supreme Court, the likes of which I haven’t seen in my lifetime.

If we had it to do all over again, would we appoint Supreme Court justices for life? Allow the chief justice to keep the job forever? Let the court have the final word on which cases it hears and those it declines?

A group of prominent law professors and jurists thinks not, and the group says in a letter to congressional leaders that there is no reason Congress should consider the operation of the high court sacrosanct.

I know that not one of us here was pleased with the appointment of ideologues like Roberts or Alito to the bench, but do we really want to go tinkering around with one of the bedrock anchors of our Republic as envisioned by our founding fathers?  And contrary to what the article says, I think many people do consider the operation of the high court sacrosanct.  After all, where would this country be without Marbury v. Madison, Brown v. Board of Education, or Roe v. Wade?  All of these cases had a profound impact on this country, and many of us would argue that it is for the better.  Such groundbreaking shifts in our socio-political landscape could not possibly have happened through regular legislative channels in such a short amount of time.  Furthermore, they ensured that citizens of the Republic would not be subject to the whim of legislators whose vision tends to be shortsighted and always couched with the thought of the next upcoming election.  And probably most importantly they demonstrate that the Supreme Court is the last refuge of the minority when the majority decides to legislate discrimination against them.   Of course our founding fathers realized that when they constructed our brilliantly conceived government with a clear separation of powers between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority…

I guess that one could argue the meaning of “hold their offices during good behavior”, but historically it is been taken to mean that Justices hold their position for life.   The principle behind that is to make sure that unlike the legislative and executive branches, the Justices can base their decisions entirely on the basis of the interpretation of the Constitution or legal precedent rather than worrying about what their constituents want at any given time.  It is an imperfect attempt to remove outside pressures on the Court.  But some legal scholars are pushing for a change to that.

“We do not suggest, and would oppose, any interference with the substance of the court’s work,” says the letter, which was organized by Duke University law professor Paul D. Carrington and signed by 33 others from different stations on the political spectrum..

Carrington said the four proposals in the letter — sent to the chairmen and ranking minority-party members of the congressional judiciary committees, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., and Vice President Biden — are drawn from various studies, commissions and reform efforts that have foundered in the past.

For starters, the group proposes a form of term limits, moving justices to senior status after 18 years on the court. The proposal says that justices now linger so long that it diminishes the likelihood that the court’s decisions “will reflect the moral and political values of the contemporary citizens they govern.”

To get around the Constitution’s prescription that justices serve for life, the group would let justices stay on the court in a senior role — filling in on a case, perhaps, or dispatched to lower courts — or lure them into retirement with promises of hefty bonuses.

It would set up a regular rotation on the court by providing for the nomination of a new justice by the president with each new two-year term of Congress. If that results in more than the current nine justices, only the nine most junior would hear cases.

The new policy would not take effect until those already on the court are off, but the current tenure of the court suggests what a radical change that would be. Four of the court’s justices — John Paul Stevens, Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy and David H. Souter — have already surpassed the 18-year mark, and Clarence Thomas gets there later this year. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer are not far behind.

Relatedly, the group calls for the justice who serves as chief to be limited to seven years in the job, because it has “extended into numerous other political, administrative and non-judicial roles calling for a measure of special accountability.”

The third proposal deals with the removal of justices in failing health “who are increasingly prone to remain in office and retain their political power even if no longer able to perform their office.”

And the proposal would deprive the justices of one of their greatest powers: deciding which cases they hear. Justices now comb through the thousands of petitions for certiorari they receive each year, and in recent years have declared a declining portion of them worthy of their time.

Being the cynic that I am, I always tend to question the motivation of people who make such sweeping calls for reform.  A quick check of Huffpoop’s Fundrace shows that Mr. Carrington donated this year exclusively to the Democratic Party.  I would guess that his proposals are a way of knocking off the prolonged conservative bent we undoubtedly will feel from the court given the fact that the Chief Justice is a young man who most likely will be on the court for decades.

It also appears to try to put the agenda of the court back into more liberal hands with the last proposal of stripping the court of which cases they hear.  They might, for example, make it so that the court can not revisit Roe v. Wade until a more “favorable” makeup is present.  While those ends are probably what many of us would like to see, we PUMAs learned firsthand this past year that despite what the Obamans believe, the end does NOT justify the means.  We understand that actions have consequences, and that to tamper with something as, well, sacrosanct, as the Supreme Court could have disastrous repercussions further down the road.  One of the outcomes of such tinkering, for example, would tend to make the Court more aligned with whatever party happens to control the Executive branch at the time.  That might be fine and dandy now, but not so much if we get someone like Mike Huckabee in the White House.

Probably the most disturbing change for me is the ability to remove justices who are in “failing health”.  Whoever gets to determine what that means is going to be in a pretty powerful, perhaps too powerful position.

Like I said, we have some outstanding legal scholars here, and my opinions are admittedly amateur at best. So what do you think guys?  Is this an idea whose time has come, or a recipe for disaster?

76 Responses

  1. Any change in the current arrangement will run smack into the law of unintended consequences.

    Fix one problem, create another.

    • I agree. Life terms have served us well. This understanding has put our judicial system out of politics to a great measure. Knowing that politicians cannot remove a judge has allowed justices to do what they see as the best decision. I’m glad Justice Douglas and Warren were free to make their decisions without fear of reprisals in the 60s and 70s.

    • the last time FDR tried to change the supreme court it didn’t go over too well

  2. I heard on one of the blogradio show this:
    That in the constitution there is a “4th” branch of Govt.
    It set up “IF” the people “US” do not feel served by the other “3″. We then can get, I believe “2″ members from each state to represent “us” on a Federal level.
    I never looked it up myself; but if it’s true….NOW’S that Time!!

  3. Thanks for the heads-up Gary. I’m just replying on the basis of a quick read through. When I stop having the desire to put my fist through the wall, I will read your post with the attention it deserves.
    When said “prominent law professors” are given the minds of Dolly and James Madison, Abigail and John Adams, and John Jay, please someone fire me off a memo and let me know.
    Is there a term for “anti-Renaissance”–cause it seems like there’s an awful strong push in that direction.

  4. Another fine post, gary. And here I’d like to voice a plea that downstairs threads not be abandoned as soon as the latest post appears up top. We need to do justice to each topic (and the authorial work involved), and let comments run their course. What with RL demands, it’s impossible to keep up with this place much of the time!

  5. I think that moving to a fixed term of 18 or 20 years would be great. Now, there is an incentive to appoint a young person that can influence the court for the longest time. If there was a set term, then there would be a reason to appoint a person, regardless or their age, that would be best for the job. The rest of the changes seem too complicated to me. I see no reason for the rotation system, just give everyone 20 years from when they start. While the system of cert is problematic, I really do not see any way around it and the idea that some board would decide when a justice was ‘too’ old or ‘too’ sick is crazy.

    • the only problem with that, though, is that if you appoint someone young, say in their 40’s, aren’t they going to be considering their political future after they serve when they make decisions? Would they be banned from say, running for president after serving on the court? it seems to open all sorts of cans of worms….

      • Yeah, I see what you are saying, but that could still happen now. I think that a twenty year term is pretty long, so it they decide to do something else at 65 or so they could. Of course, O’Connor could still run for something. I don’t think there should be any ban. I think that the term limit would cause older people to be appointed, since the president would not be trying to influence the court for more than 20 years by appointing someone that could serve for many decades more.

      • There is no “after they serve”; the appointment is for life, so the forty-something candidate needs to seriously consider whether he/she can make a commitiment to the court for possibly another forty years or more before accepting the appointment. It is an appointment, not a draft.

        In the past, justices weren’t so young when they were appointed and there was the unspoken understanding between them and the nation that this was their last job.

        Of course Bush was trying to ensure the court would have a conservate bent for the long term that’s why he chose young men. So now we’ve got the youngest chief justice ever If the court continues to get younger, the issues you raise in your questions will have to be addressed.

    • although I guess there is nothing stopping a justice from stepping down and doing the same thing….

      • I think now there are two things that keep justices from stepping down. One is that being a S.Ct. justice is the most prestigious position in law, and lawyers are culturally very, very into prestige factor calculus. Judging, of any type, wins over advocacy of any type, in the prestige game. So going from Justice to ‘regular’ work is seen as demeaning.

        Second, most justices are well past traditional retirement age when they retire. So most just want to really retire, and write their memois or on legal subjects and whatnot. Or go fishing.

        If we (effectively) change the retirement age, would that be enough for some justices to overcome the prestige loss? I don’t know, but given the buckets of money they’d be offered, maybe. I worked at a firm that had a former Solicitor General on its letterhead (as ‘of Counsel’). He also had a full-time gig as a law professor; the firm just basically flew him in a couple times a year to argue cases before the S.Ct. But they paid him buckets. A former justice would demand even more buckets of money on an ‘open market’; it’s hard to turn down what amounts to close to free cash for use of one’s name.

        • Don’t forget it is a pretty easy job. All the hard work is done by interns. Justices get a lot of prestige, decent wages and very little work.

  6. kat, It seems to me that one of the outcomes of the nested comments is that people are more likely to continue to visit downstairs threads after a new post goes up. Hopefully that will be a positive outcome of the change.

    • Agreed, gary. That’s one reason to hope that nesting is here to stay. (What I’d like to change is the terminology – nesting brings to mind cocooning, which prompts images of us trading doses of Xanax while we tuck quilts around one another.)

  7. “For starters, the group proposes a form of term limits, moving justices to senior status after 18 years on the court. The proposal says that justices now linger so long that it diminishes the likelihood that the court’s decisions ‘will reflect the moral and political values of the contemporary citizens they govern.’

    And therein lies the rub.
    Madison’s Federalist no. 10 addresses the problem of the majority dictating to the minority. The goal is to avoid the “moral” and the “political values” of the majority from having rule over the citizenry.

    Popular opinion would not have allowed supreme court rulings opposing segregation, nor the de-criminalization of same-sex acts, nor the use of birth control, nor marriage between those of different races… nor…. nor… nor.

    One of the greatest strengths of our government is that
    we separate the rule of law (or try to) from the whims of the masses– whatever that whim might be.

    The Supremes are given life tenure as one of the checks and balances to the other sections of government who are more designed to relfect the mores of the time.

    Also good about life tenure is that justices are removed
    (supposedly) from political pressure. This has, in the past made justices move more towards a centrist position as they moved through their careers. Justice O’Connor is an example. She aggravated many right-
    wingers as she moved to the center.

    Sure, I’d like to see Scalia and Thomas moved off to pasture, but the cost is way too high.

  8. If the Supreme Court appointments were to be made by popular election, soon ACORN /Soetoro-Obama would make sure the Court is filled up with their accolytes. If Americans want to become slaves, go for it. I don’t!

    Do NOT fiddle with the Supreme Cout appointments!

  9. gary — I don’t think they would be banned from any political office, or private job, for that matter. Although a related concern would be former justices going to work for private firms, say, after their tenure. Most law firms or lobbyists would pay a mint to be able to have such a name on their letterhead, and it would be too influential on cases for the wrong reasons if they were to argue cases against their former colleagues, I think.

    I initially reacted “NO!” when I read the opening paragraph, because I thought the argument would be for judges being elected. That’s a very bad system, because of the pressures to bow to popular sentiment rather than ‘objective’ evaluations of the law.

    But if the terms were nearly 20 years, the rules were strictly enforced, and the ‘fill-in’ part were dumped (too political and not necessary), that is a different kettle of fish.

    But the problem I see is that these term limits are not solving the key problem, the politicization of S.Ct. appointments. Justice Brennan, who was a tremendous liberal and justice, retired when he was in his mid-80s (I think). This scheme would, I think, just increase the incentive to politicize appointments, since each president would want to pre-emptively counter the next president’s (potentially) politicized appointments. So it would make the problem worse, not better.

    I hope to hear Heidi’s thoughts on this.

  10. oops, in moderation again! Pls release me!

  11. Great post, Gary. Wow, staggering to think about. Wouldn’t it take a Constitutional Amendment to change it? The point Honora added about a twenty year term seemed to make sense. However, my original thoughts on reading the reformers’ letter were about ageism, forced retirement, and vulnerability to shifting political winds. When I step back from it, it still looks that way. I think that want the big decisions to be made from an old wise court, not a hip one who loves us back. We already have stern Pres who does that so well.

  12. It would set up a regular rotation on the court by providing for the nomination of a new justice by the president with each new two-year term of Congress. If that results in more than the current nine justices, only the nine most junior would hear cases.

    This part seems especially weird to me. Wouldn’t we end up having LOTS of supreme court justices? seems like it would water the court down into oblivion.

    • I think that’s why they made the rotations 18 years, so most of the time it would stay 9. I think this part is stupid, though, because we could end up with an even number of justices, and cases would be heard and adjudicated, but provide no concrete legal ramifications in split decisions. Casey was bad enough, with its 87 dissents and concurrences and pluralities.

      Make the max 9, and if a president has the bad luck to not be able to appoint a new justice during their term, well, tough. That would not be any worse than now, where a president’s opportunities to appt justices depends on the vagaries of justices’ ages and retirement plans.

      • wouldn’t there still be all those “senior” justices floating around?

        • That is a good question, but I’d get rid of that idea, too. It’s addressing a problem that’s not really a problem. How many times in US history has a S.Ct. seat gone empty? The Court hears and adjudicates cases over the course of a 9-month term. If one of the 9 is out sick for a week, it’s not a constitutional crisis.

          Occasionally, a sitting justice will recuse themselves from a case because of a conflict of interest. The Court has always dealth.

          Parts of the proposal sound like they were made up by human resources bureaucrats. I’m not completely on board with the 18-year term limits, but I’d scrap the removal of the limit to 9, and scrap the ‘fill-ins’ (that is just asking for trouble).

          There is a risk of a sort of ‘lame duck’ phenomenon when justices near their limits. Potential litigants would have more incentive to wait out a politically bad combo of 9 until a new favorable president. But that happens already — there’s a reason, for instance, why all the gay rights litigation (not just marriage, but adoption, etc) is brought up at the state level, and only in the more liberal states where possible. No one wants to risk an adverse S.Ct. ruling that could stand for 50 years from the feds.

  13. I thought the SC should have been disbanded when they chose a president.

    I’d just as soon have a giant magic 8 ball deciding matters of constitutionality. Or flip a coin. Everything’s become so politicized I don’t trust anyone in public office anymore.

  14. I think this the worst idea ever, and is obviously politically motivated by the Dems. The courts do succumb to some political pressure anyway because Congress must vote as to whether they get COLA increases. I would argue that their is too much sway by Congress as it is.

    Being a Sup justice is supposed to be the highest honor a person can be bestowed with so I don’t really see why a justice would opt to stand down for another job. Of course, a justice can resign any time they so choose and I do understand this sometimes occurs at political convenience. It’s crazy to think that some board would be able to decide if a justice is too sick or old to interpret the Constitution. I’m also wondering how this would affect state courts; it could set a bad precedent where mob rule could decide who gets to stay and who doesn’t.

    Something SMELLS about this proposal by the supposed best legal minds to change the make-up of the Sup Court, especially with legislation to eliminate term limits for POTUS and the reintroduction of the Fairness Doctrine that Waxman wants to expand to the internet. I mean really it does seem like we are trying to mimic Valenzuela. What’s next the President gets to decide who can run for office?

  15. Angie, what you say makes perfect sense — i.e., what she said.

    Oh right, kiki, thanks for the reminder and shaking me up. I forgot. What was I thinking?

  16. I’m not sure it would make any real difference.

    Ever since Bush v. Gore, I’ve been convinced that critical legal theory is essentially correct. IOW, judicial decisions are dictated purely by ideology, and what law schools pompously term “jurisprudence” is just a collection of rhetorical tricks that offer ad hoc rationalizations for conclusions that come from the judge’s ideology.

    • Ideology plays a part, but it’s a lot more complicated than it seems. I clerked for a judge for 2 years, and while my judge and the others on the bench certainly had ideological leanings, they really strove to apply legal precedent the most objectively they could.

      No one can fully escape their opinions, their experiences, their education, their philosophies etc. and be ‘truly objective’. There is a difference between judges (and lawyers) who honestly strive to subsume their personal opinions and feelings and adjudicate consistent with legal precedent and foundational legal principles, and those who do the opposite. Most decent lawyers are able to recognize the difference between what the law is and what they wish it were.

      The problem comes when a large percentage of the judiciary is made up of, actually chosen for, their propensity to prioritize their political beliefs over legal analysis. That’s what Reagan brought us, and Bush enthusiastically continued. Also because a large part of the SCt’s case load is novel legal issues (the Court only accepts about 10% of the cases appealed to them), which leaves a fairly open door to decide cases based on personal beliefs yet couch it in terms of compliance with legal principles, because rarely are there legal precedents exactly on point.

      And the problem is most acute when it’s the USSC, because there’s no further appeal to correct for politicized justice.

      • I don’t buy the talk about reasoning from precedent when it comes to the SCOTUS. Lower court judges don’t want to be overturned, and they can plausibly guess what sort of rulings will survive scrutiny. That much precedent is certainly operative. But the SC can make it up as it goes along, including their remarkable claim that the Bush v. Gore ruling should not serve as precedent for future decisions. As they say, when it comes to constitutional law there are only two arguments: first, “There’s a slippery slope there,” and second “No, there’s not.”

  17. Gary, great provocative post. Carrington has been around for years advocating this. He and a co-author wrote a 500 page book on it in 2006 that I read. It basically talked in circles with no clear direction since it was basically a survey piece consisting of everyone and their dog who had an opinion.

    I did a quick search and here’s the conclusion of an independent reviewer of the book:

    That being said, I think the book ultimately fails to convince the reader that there is indeed a problem with Supreme Court justices serving for life. [*362] Even supporters like Alan Morrison are forced to admit that, “We are, in short, in almost no better position than were the Framers when they drafted Article III and struggled to predict the consequences of their choices. To be sure, we have over two centuries of experience, but none of it is likely to shed light on this issue. This leave us with little choice but to make our best educated guess and admit that guessing is what we are doing.”

    Academics write these types of theoritical pieces all the time and float them and that is exactly what they are — floaties.

    • Prolix, I wondered too about whether this was just academic smoke blowing, but I’m not sure what this last part meant,

      Carrington said the group sent the proposals to Holder because the Justice Department once had an office that looked into judicial reform and to Biden because of his experience on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

      The group sent the proposals as statutory texts, it said, in hopes they would not be treated as “mere political or scholarly utterances.” In other words, Carrington said, the approach seemed better “than writing another law review article.”

      by “statutory texts”, do they mean written as if it were a proposed law? Is this just a gimmick, or is it a real difference from writing something in a law review or a book?

      • It is more than writing it in a law review article, they just took the time to also write it in statutory language. Carrington is nothing if not prolific and enthusiastic.

        The uproar about this would eclipse anything anyone could possibly imagine. The fallacy about this proposal is that it doesn’t take into consideration about how the Court really works. Justices, even if not sitting, participate through the briefs and can still vote. The 60 minute arguments are really nothing more than show and seldom if ever change a Justice’s mind changed. The reason the Court hears so few cases is that most of the certs are by criminals who are their own jailhouse counsel and bombard the Court with certs.

        Some of the most liberal minded Justices have been products of conservative Presidents and vice versa. If their is anything within government that needs stability it is the legal system. The place where there needs to be change is at the lower court level to appoint more judges — I had a simple copyright case in front of Alito and it took 5 years to get to trial and it’s that way all across the country.

  18. Gary, have I mentioned how great it is to have you back? I do wish you’d update Macho’s picture though.

    • kiki, I’ll try to find one, he’s a big boy now, but we’re going to the vet this afternoon because he cut his paw :( I know I’m a worry wart, but they’re like my children….

  19. Any attempt to impose term limits on Supreme Court justices is unconstitutional under Article III language stating that federal judges “shall hold their offices during good behaviour.” I suppose the proposal of a two-tiered system of nine “junior” justices and those who have served more than 18 years being granted “senior” status is the group’s attempt to get around the constitutional problem, but it falls short, IMO. To deny the senior justices the ability to hear cases, except in cases of vacancy or recusal, simply relegates them to semi-retirement.

    I’ll be interested to see what better legal minds than mine have to say about the constitutional issues surrounding reform of the Supreme Court.

    • I didn’t read the initial proposal carefully enough. Term limits can’t be imposed without a constitutional amendment, which is never going to happen on an issue this arcane. (it’s important but no one gets crowds of people pumped up over something like this). I didn’t realize at first that the proponents were aiming at legislative change, rather than a constitutional amendment.

      The ’senior’ status thing is an attempt to circumvent the constitution, but sorry, no go. Esp. since it would be the S.Ct. itself which decided the constitutionality. Only the ‘hefty bonuses’ which would encourage voluntary early retirement would pass constitutional muster, imo.

  20. OT, but I just got this email from MAWM from the O campaign

    Rep. David Price and Sen. Kay Hagan’s votes were crucial to passing the bill and creating and saving jobs in North Carolina.

    Can you pick up the phone right now to thank Rep. Price and Sen. Hagan?

    Rep. David Price
    202-225-1784

    Sen. Kay Hagan
    202-224-6342

    Report your call.

    Here are some suggested talking points for your call:

    - I’m calling to thank [Congress member's name] for supporting the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
    - I’ll be watching closely online and in the news how taxpayers’ money is spent in the implementation of this Act.
    - I encourage [Congress member's name] to continue working with President Obama to lift America out of this economic crisis.

    After your call, please record your feedback here:

    http://my.barackobama.com/stimulusthanks

    I’m sorry but that’s just creepy. they want me to call them, tell me what to say, and then want me to report back that i’ve done my duty?

    • Creepy…& Beyond”!!
      I remember a Hillary supporter turned Obama speaking highly of the outreach his campaign has done.
      I personally found what she was saying VERY DISTURBING!!
      ** The creator of (?) Facebook now created the software for
      Obama. The purpose is/was `to reach out to our youth in a
      “mass media” way DIRECTLY.
      I found this horrifying; but I guess that’s just me
      Great Post “Gary”

    • Holy crap!

      But don’t forget that this sort of thing is something Obama’s people are planning to do across the country. Targeting Democrats to do as Obama wishes or else.

      • my spouse watches his weekly address he emails his supporters… they are doing an end run around any objectivity or critical thinkers that might be left in the media…. why take chances!

        thank god she watches it wearing earphones so I don’t have to hear him drone…. and you know if you’re an Obot, if dear leader sez it it must be true!

    • Washington State is getting those requests via TV ads. It makes me SICK!

  21. I’m sorry but that’s just creepy

    It’s been creepy for a long time now

  22. Isn’t the legislature suppose to represent the people. The Court interprets the law and constitutionality of laws.

  23. … The endless campaign.

  24. The latest from CNN:

    The mainstream media made it a mission to destroy the vice presidential candidacy of Sarah Palin, the Alaska governor says in a new documentary released Monday.

    In an interview taped last month for conservative John Zeigler’s new film “Media Malpractice,” Palin said it is “very frightening, I think, what the media was able to get away with, this go-around.” …

    “This is for the sake of our democracy that there is fairness in this other branch of government, if you will, called the media,” Palin also says in the interview filmed in January. “It is foreign to me the way some in the mainstream media are thinking.”

    and from the comments section (which I know for a fact they moderate closely from experience)

    Kimmi February 23rd, 2009 1:07 pm ET

    OMG, poor Sexy Sara. Had to be the media ruining her. Maybe someone should buy this bitch a mirror or a tape of her and her freeloading family. Wonder if her new grandbaby is on welfare yet????

    these are liberals????

    • CNN never posted any of my comments. That they allowed that one through just shows that they are actively supporting ObamaNation’s hate-mongering, disinformation campaign.

  25. Glenzilla is repeating the lie about Palin rallies being racist hatefests.

  26. myiq, I actually went to a Palin rally. While I heard a lot I disagreed with, I heard absolutely nothing that could be considered racist. It was all “they’re gonna raise your taxes” normal repub red meat.

    • pagan power went to one too. He said exactly the same thing-nothing racist.

      • But remember, you are unconsciously r@cist, so when Palin was speaking, she unconsciously made r@cist statements, and the people at the rallying were unconsciously hearing them.

    • Since you were at one maybe you could do a post on this quote from today’s column:

      But now, only four weeks into the presidency of Barack Obama, they are back — angrier and more chest-beating than ever. Actually, the mere threat of an Obama presidency was enough to revitalize them from their eight-year slumber, awaken them from their camouflaged, well-armed suburban caves. The disturbingly ugly atmosphere that marked virtually every Sarah Palin rally had its roots in this cultural resentment, which is why her fear-mongering cultural warnings about Obama’s exotic, threatening otherness — he’s a Muslim-loving, Terrorist-embracing, Rev.-Wright-following Marxist: who is the real Barack Obama? — resonated so stingingly with the rabid lynch mobs that cheered her on.

      • That is just a mountain of wrong. What are we to do? We spend most of our time bilgeing this crap.

      • those are outright lies. If they HAD awoken with such rage, as he says, Obama would have lost. He won by such a large margin because most of the die hard conservative redneck crowd stayed home—-or voted FOR Obama….jeez, I have pictures…if noone has anything ready to post, maybe I’ll put up that quote with a picture of the people with their kids enjoying a late fall afternoon…..

    • The Secret Service debunked the accusation that Obama was threatened at a Palin rally. But if you watched the news you’d never have heard about it.

  27. The proposal says that justices now linger so long that it diminishes the likelihood that the court’s decisions “will reflect the moral and political values of the contemporary citizens they govern.”

    No thanks. I don’t want the Supreme Court to reflect the renewed misogyny and homophobia that Obama and his crowd have ushered in.

    As for Roberts and Scalia, we wouldn’t have this problem if the Dems in the Senate had taken seriously their advise and consent function and not whined about how “the president deserves his picks.”

  28. I am sorry, the courts often make decisions that I do not agree with, but that doesn’t necessarily make it the wrong opinion, just one that differs from mine.

    I will have to repeat an old saying, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  29. BTW – My account at OpenLeft is gone

  30. do you have a link to that column myiq?

  31. Great post Gary. I’m glad you’re back.

  32. I will have to repeat an old saying, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    If the left starts changing the rules to get decisions they like, then the right will do the same.

    That’s a bad precedent

  33. This “reform the SC” thing is incredibly short-sighted. What Democrats may giveth now, Republicans can taketh away in a couple of years. It’s dumb, stupid, preposterous, ludicrous, idiotic, banal, and retarded to politicize the SC, which is what this proposal wants to do.

  34. Term limits of any kind would affect both good and bad justices.

    Thurgood Marshall and John Paul Stevens would have had their terms cut short.

  35. gary, this was a great topic. Thanks for posting it.

  36. They want to make a change, how about term limits for Congress! Now that’s a change I can get behind.

  37. Wow, Paul Carrington was my Civil Procedure professor. I loved his class. He was not considered a liberal at Duke. Everytime I mentioned him fondly my liberal friends would look at me like I said I loved Satan. Anyway, a lot of SCt justices used to retire way before they were past it. Brennan did, for example. O’Connor did. Most don’t really hang on for life. Thurgood Marshall hung in, but one can understand it. I think it’s best to leave it alone. We have no reason to think BO will appoint good justices anyway. And a term limit could encourage some justices to be more ideological b/c they’d have less time to see what evolved on legal issues.

  38. Great post. The “for life” appointment is a little weird. People didn’t live as long at the time of the framers? Dunno. On the other hand, with this rotating idea, Bush II could have picked 4 justices. Yeech.

    As a comparison, the Securities and Exchange Commission has five members, one is replaced every year with a presidential appointment. How’s that working out. Bush owned the SEC by his second term. He wanted them to do nothing, so they did nothing.

    I have no idea if this hypothetical would politicize the court more, or less. But seems to me, less would be preferable. Conservative justices who preside as strict constitutionalists scare me, but the notion of hyper activist justices is no more comforting.

    Don’t know much about lower courts and term limits. Probably some learning there about limits and politicization.

  39. This is truly a great post, Gary….

    It is phenomenally ObaMyopic for some to refuse to see the truth of Gary’s statement here:

    “The Supreme Court is the last refuge of the Minority when the majority decides to legislate discrimination against it…”

    Absolutely. It’s been proven that if you put more women on the bench the legislation will be more progressive and activist reform takes place. The current Chief Justice of Canada is Beverley McLachlin and there are 4 women judges out of 9. Surely, Obama must have known this when he visited Ottawa last week and I am certain he only went to Ottawa to xerox his future plans to appoint more women in the Supreme Court and fill his cabinet posts with members of the 52% majority that’s discriminated against with impunity…..(guess I’m just being sarcastic).

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