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Charles Lemos Poisons The Well

Former PUMA Chuckie Lemos is now blogging over at MyDD and he had this to say about the Rick Santelli video above:

After watching the above, I first had to check my calendar. Somehow I felt I traveled back in time to the early 1970s to witness first hand Richard Nixon’s “northern strategy,” his pursuit of white ethnic voters who were so deeply disaffected over Great Society programs ranging from desegregation (remember the Boston busing madness?) to affirmative action among others that they would desert the Democratic Party becoming “Nixon’s silent majority” and “Reagan Democrats”. As historian Joe Merton noted “Nixon possessed a keen awareness of the `ethnic revival’ of the early 1970s and engaged with specifically ethnic issues such as parochial school aid and ethnic heritage studies, and also shaped much of his early substantive policy to appeal to ethnics, culminating in the publication of the Rosow Report on blue-collar workers in May 1970.”

Rick Santelli is heir to this legacy laced with racist overtones.  Note the promo before the rant in the video link at CNBC. CNBC has an upcoming special entitled The Rise of America’s New Black Overclass.  Fear mongering, it’s worked before so let’s try it again. It’s back to the 1970s for the GOP and their rabid white ethnics.

Even when we disregard the factual inaccuracies (Nixon pursued a “southern strategy” and the Boston busing riots took place during the Ford administration) there is a major problem with Chuckie’s argument:  Santelli didn’t say anything remotely racist.

I’m not defending Santelli, I’m criticizing Chuckie for using a right-wing tactic to delegitimize opponents.  That tactic is called “poisoning the well

Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a logical fallacy where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well is a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua.

Rather than address Santelli on the merits, Chuckie accuses him of racism, thereby rendering anything Santelli says invalid.  To support this accusation Chuckie relates his own alleged experience with “white ethnics”

I spent a decade on Wall Street working for Alex. Brown & Sons, Deutsche Banc Securities and Goldman Sachs. I found Wall Street a largely liberal environment with one major exception, the trading floor. In my experience I found traders, who are largely white ethnics -Irish, Italian, Greek, Polish or Slovak among others- and graduates of the Seton Halls, the Boston Colleges, the Notre Dames, the Penn States were the most rabid conservative and foul mouthed people on the planet. 

Notice that Chuckie says they were foul mouthed rabid conservatives, but he doesn’t actually say they were racists.  However it’s obvious that we’re just supposed to infer that they are.  Poisoning the well is the same tactic used by right wingers when they accuse liberals of hating America.  Do we really want to be like them?

This isn’t the first time Chuckie has made false allegations of racism.  When he left the PUMA movement he falsely accused us of racism too.  But the real reason Chuckie left us was he concluded from polling data that Obama was going to defeat McCain and he wanted to jump on the bandwagon before it was too late.  (we still have the emails he sent)

But the only racism I see is Charles Lemos’ bigoted statements about “white ethnics.”

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UPDATE:

In a subsequent post Chuckie uses a common CDS tactic of recycling right-wing tropes to attack Bill Clinton:

Well, the President should tell it like it is and President Clinton is right that the President should talk to the public in greater detail about the economy and the President should never fail in assigning blame for the mess we face and that means placing some of it on Bill Clinton’s shoulders though obviously this is largely on the GOP.

I ain’t got no fancy Stanford degree but I know that Bill Clinton LEFT OFFICE EIGHT YEARS AGO.

Chuckie oughta ask Stanford for a refund of his tuition.  As my granny used to say “Iffen he’s so smart why ain’t he rich?”

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UPDATE II:

Chuckie is now deleting comments at MyDD challenging his factual inaccuracies, including some by Dakinkat, our Conflucian Professor of Economics.  Copies of some of the deleted comments can be found here.

332 Responses

  1. is that the Nixon Southern Strategy?

  2. It’s supposed to be

  3. and the busing thing happened after nixon resigned didn’t it?

  4. Another factual error:

    During the Nixon administration, affirmative action was adopted as a federal mandate for companies with federal contracts and for labor unions whose workers were engaged in those projects. This revised Philadelphia Plan was spearheaded by Labor Department official Arthur Fletcher.

    IOW – Nixon expanded Affirmative Action

  5. well, that explains everything myiq2xu: my grandfather used to blame everything on her being irish … i guess i’m consigned to the pile of ignorance for being dirty shanty irish… wow, i wonder if he feels that way about the kennedys too?

  6. and the busing thing happened after nixon resigned didn’t it?

    Yep – it happened during the Ford administration

  7. …the early 1970s to witness first hand Richard Nixon’s “northern strategy,” his pursuit of white ethnic voters who were so deeply disaffected over Great Society programs ranging from desegregation (remember the Boston busing madness?) to affirmative action among others that they would desert the Democratic Party becoming “Nixon’s silent majority” and “Reagan Democrats”.

    Another factual inaccuracy: they were not “Reagan Democrats” yet, because Reagan had not even thought of running for Pres. yet.

    Also, it’s rac*st if there is a focus on ethnic groups, but not rac*st if Clyburn advocates specifically for AA communities? It looks like working class whites are relegated under the bus (again) with us women-folk and gays.

  8. hey dak, I left the story about my nickname on the last thread!

  9. he’s just full of factual errors, it seems … like blaming his overreaching on krugman or wolf instead of saying, I personally think that Japan was all on its on in a recession in 2001 while completely forgetting their major trading partner, THE US, was also in a recession at the beginning of their lost decade, AND there was this little thing called the ASIAN financial crisis towards the END of their lost decade, but hey, it was all Japan on its on per our Stanford grad!!!!

  10. Charles is a is a MyDDTool

  11. Santelli didn’t say anything remotely racist.

    myiq! Since when does content or context have ANYTHING to do with it? The most famous example was Bill’s criticism of Obama’s record on the war as a “fairy tale.” Somehow, that became code for a rac*st attack. I still can’t figure that one out. Clyburn again (and Donna B. pushed that meme).

  12. I asked this earlier, what is a “white ethnic”?

  13. what is a “white ethnic”?

    Barack Obama

  14. oh yeah, I forgot.

  15. gary did you get my response? on the last thread?

  16. I think Chuckie is referring to non-anglo saxon whites.

    That includes Celtics, Nordics, Serbs, Slavs and Latins (like Chuckie)

  17. I can proudly say that Lemonhead never ever liked me. I remember causing a comotion because he got all bent out of shape about something I wrote. I said something like “who dropped a house on her sister” and he went running off in a tizzy. But seriously, if you want to ward off lemonster, just mention boobies. He’s ascared of them hee hee…..

  18. who are largely white ethnics -Irish, Italian, Greek, Polish or Slovak among others

    I’m Italian and Slovak…thanks Chuck.

  19. katie, I LOVE that picture. I want another pumamobile adventure. Who wants to go invade Canada?

  20. Was Lemos ever really a PUMA or just an opportunist? Could have been one of the paid shills for Axelrove.

  21. Gary:

    I thought it was all my fault for calling him a “little f**king ray of sunshine”

    I felt guilty for at least 20 minutes.

  22. going to look now fuzzy…

  23. When Lemos was posting here (especially about the $700B bailout last year), I thought he was anything but a Puma – and very pro-Obama. (Well, maybe my attitude developed from reading the posts at his site which I used to have bookmarked before the election.)

  24. ok, gary, i’m going back to look!!!!

  25. for those who missed it:

    Gary so your first pets name was cha cha and you were born on Vegas St….

    Oh crap sorry thats for your Porn or Drag name not college nick name….

    FYI my Porn/Drag Name woud be Fluffy Trigger…

  26. Gary, he was always running off in a tizzy. I remember his meltdown clearly. He was panicked about the economic collapse, and was furious that we challenged his polling prowess. How DARE we question his erudition?! There was a lot of back and forth, and he had a tantrum and left.

    B-bye.

  27. ralph, he mainly came by here to drum up readers for his prissy little blog that you had to bend over and blow kisses out of your ass to get a login for….

    myiq–a whole 20 minutes???

  28. Could have been one of the paid shills for Axelrove

    Axelrod hired better quality shills.

  29. fuzzy, I don’t give out my porn name….someone might go look me up on the google ;)

  30. The only thing I regret about our visit, Gary, is that it was so short. I really hope we have the chance for a longer visit some day. Maybe our dogs could play together?

  31. Gary I remember the Boobies insident….LOL

  32. I thought it was all my fault for calling him a “little f**king ray of sunshine”

    lol! I remember that. Good times.

  33. gary — “white ethnic” are the non-WASP whites (mainly Catholics) ’cause while they may technically be Caucasian, they aren’t Aryan, and thus, are lower on the totem pole. {rolls eyes}

  34. I remember that “ray of sunshine” thing now. So it was you? Thanks for getting rid of him.

  35. My porn name would be Mitzi Cabrillo

  36. Chuckie sent an email saying something about joining Obamanation before it was too late.

    IIRC He said some nasty stuff about Gary in it too.

  37. I DO love watching myiq and dakini knock ole Chuckie’s dick in the dirt. LOL

    Good job! :)

  38. “{rolls eyes}” Me too — It’s apparently socially acceptable to mock that group (does it include the Portuguese?)

  39. Darn it, I don’t have a porn name. Now I’m jealous.

  40. My porn name is “myd**k2xu”

  41. Gary I wish my Porn Name Was Al Parker-of course I was to young then of all that!

  42. he hated me because I’m a vulgar peon. No blue blood in my veins. And he hated me becuase I had his number from day one…..

  43. The thing that pissed me off (like it was only one thing) is that he tried to set us against each other in those emails — He had no awareness of the Loyalty Among Friends.

  44. Well, the President should tell it like it is and President Clinton is right that the President should talk to the public in greater detail about the economy and the President should never fail in assigning blame for the mess we face and that means placing some of it on Bill Clinton’s shoulders though obviously this is largely on the GOP.

    Bill did talk about his part in not regulating securities more strictly, and took responsibility for it. Now he’s taking shots at Bill? Wow, really chugging that Kool Aid full on now huh Charles? Shame on you. I hope it’s worth it for all the new swell friends you’ve made. Here’s two words you’ll understand: SELL OUT.

  45. there’s a boobies incident?

  46. If Chuckles dick is in the dirt then Myiq must have knocked Charles legs off or he must be very short…

    I heard his nick name for his Dick was small wonders!

  47. that would be a great name for a porn film: The Boobies Incident

  48. I noticed that he has the need to constantly mention his credentials

    The medical term is “inferiority complex”

  49. dakinikat, yes. He was blogging at some coffee shop when a girl came up and flashed her breasts at him (through the window) — It was the MOST shocking event EVER.

  50. I see the latest from the AP is to bash Hillary for saying that Chinese human rights abuses will have to take a backseat to the global economic crisis and in the same article praising lord Obama. Do they think she is setting foreign policy all by herself? because if she is then we’ve got a co-presidency thing going on….My guess if she were president she would be tougher on those abuses…but alas we’ll never know.. will be interesting to see how long they can keep blaming her for his foreign policy disasters

  51. there’s a boobies incident?

    Catarina flashed hers earlier

  52. ralph your porn name is your 1st pets name and the name of the street you grew up on…if you didnt have a pet growing up sub your gramps middle name for a porn name and grandmothers middle name for a drag name

  53. Dear God,

    Black Overclasss = BO. I have to leave now to go throw up.

    Back in a bit!

  54. Some woman flashed him in SF and he seemed pretty weirded out by it. Unlike some of the rest of us would be…

  55. “little f**king ray of sunshine”

    That reminds me of how he was whining, day after day, talking about how unbelievable depressed he was about the financial collapse and Obama’s imminent win. Now he’s one of his best cheerleaders. Who do you see when you look in the mirror Charles?

  56. rabid white ethincs? aren’t there shots for that?

  57. Oh, GREW UP ON — well then I’m Mitzy Appleberry. I guess I don’t have a career after all.

  58. dakinikat, charles is one of those asshole gays who act like the female body makes him physically ill ( I knew gays like that when I was in my early 20′s, most of them matured). However, there are still a lot of dumbass gays who wrinkle their noses if they see a boob or a vagina…childish really.

  59. well, he better stay away from new orleans this week, he’s likely to need hospital help

  60. fuzzy — “small wonders” LMAO!!

    I remember the boobies incident! LOL!!! good times

    my porn name is ZuZu Birchfield — not very “porny” imo.

    RalphB — everybody has a “porn” name — first name is the name of your first childhood pet, second name is the name of the street you grew up on.

  61. I didn’t have a pet until I was 23.

  62. Unless you count my younger siblings.

  63. fuzzy, mine would be Sparky Navarro. Not bad, I think I like it.
    Thanks.

  64. Chinese human rights abuses will have to take a backseat to the global economic crisis

    Let’s see: now who does that sound more like, Hillary or Obama? Who is the consummate compromiser, always putting the money men behind him first over principle? And who was the one who ignored Chinese attempts to censor her and spoke out boldly about “women’s rights are human rights” IN China?

    AP sucks. Has for a long time now.

  65. angie you’re good at this
    can you make me a porn name??

  66. i saw remember those emails, they were horrid

  67. if I never had a fluffy then my porn name would have been Lyman Trigger my Drag Name would be Irene Trigger….

    If I were to actually use the name of the first pet I actually paid for It would be “Smokey Trigger”

    My frst dog I really owned was named Smokey Fan-Tom a wonderful Black Lab

  68. OOOOOOOOHH!!!

    MYIQ gave the smackdown!

    I’ve been MIA for most of this week and everytime I come back here, there’s always something juicy to ponder.

    gotta read the rest of the comments & posts…

    HEY FUZZY & KATIEBIRD & DKAT & GARY & all the great Conflucians!!!

  69. my porn name– misty crestline. I kind of like that…

  70. Ralph: whoa, I can even picture the costume for that … sort’ve a glitzy western thing with a slightly texmex flair… kinda dolly parton does carmen miranda

  71. Just in case Chuckie is lurking:

    (oYo)

  72. Chuckie lives in San Francisco — just give the word and Puma SF and I will go give him a PUMA thumping.

  73. sm77: how are you feeling?

  74. catarina, on February 20th, 2009 at 7:35 pm Said:

    angie you’re good at this
    can you make me a porn name??

    Your “porn” name is the name of your first pet and then the name of the street where you first lived.

    Mine would be Cuca Bennington … !!!!

  75. {{sm}} It’s good to see you!!

  76. LOL SM love it, you got to go read the last post about how I got my college nickname–cha cha vegas!!!

  77. simofish: just flash him, that appears to send him into psychosis

  78. Gary, that’s a great story. I wish I knew you then.

  79. KB — it can be your first pet if you didn’t have a childhood pet — actually it is your “first” pet — I just assumed everyone’s first pet would be when they were kids (sorry!)

    Cat — I can’t make it up for you, you already know it — the name of your first pet + the name of the street you grew up on = your porn name.

    RalphB –Sparky Navarro is a primo porn name.

  80. i’m going to call you cha cha from now on! great story!!!

  81. Everytime I see someone call Charles Chuckie I keep misinterpreting Chuckie as Chuckles..

  82. tiger woodhill!

  83. dk, me to. I had the same thoughts about the costume. “Smoky Navarro” is so non-gender specific, could be anything.

  84. What Santelli says is STUPID, but not racist.

  85. fif: :) aww! Thank you for asking!!! I’m better, thanks – when it rains it pours, family member passed away in Orlando over the weekend, funeral/wake, ack, just a whole bunch of sad…
    NY family & Miami family in town until yesterday, did a few job interviews & went back to the doc again, I’ll write a post about it later under the Unemployed Chronicles. Interesting insights to share later….

  86. SM77 speaking of Porn names remember my friend Andrew Mason the thrid baseman on the tampa team? He is a famous gay porn star!

    He is also a real nice and smart guy! and can really hit a ball with his bat….

    winks at SM77

    Oh and they came in 4th place in the tourney…

    My leg is healing nicely!

  87. myiq what is that at 7:37-cleavage??

  88. In moderation pls release me Myiq

  89. Wow- that makes me Pepper Jackson.

  90. lol cuca bennington is slut city..

  91. btw — for the record, if I actually went into porn, I’d name myself Kiki Afterglow (kiki happens to be my nickname IRL)

    or cut Birchfield into ZuZu Birch — much more porny, imo.

  92. Nothing like being late to a party. My God, it’s loud in here. Guess I would be King Carriage..

  93. myiq2xu, on February 20th, 2009 at 7:37 pm Said:

    Just in case Chuckie is lurking:

    (oYo)

    LMAO!!

  94. SM, I look forward to your Unemployed Chronicles. They’re always kind of uplifting in the midst of this mess. I had some more friends join the ranks this week. Sincerely hope you find something great real soon!

  95. SM-you’ve had quite a week. sorry!

  96. I’m glad its not the second of each, then I’d be “Dumb Cat Main St.”

  97. Prissy Millitary

  98. SM — is the pronounced it “Coocha” or “KooKa” (either way primo porno name!) LOL

  99. gary — that would be Cat Main imo — not so bad, really. :-)

  100. Haha, second of each would make me “Fluffy Smith”.

  101. oh sm! I’m sorry about your relative. It does come in waves doesn’t it? At least your not stuck in bed anymore–that was a really long bout. The unemployment stress wore you down. Best of luck with your interviews :)

  102. (oYo) (oYo) (oyo) ok angie and dakinikat where are my beeds?

    Oh and being a gay porn star is right up there on the gay royalty meter with drag pageant winner ….

    Favorite Drag title: Miss Conseption-aeared annually at Society Lounge in Mobile Alabama located on you guessed it Conseption St!

  103. you get bonus points if its “fluffy”

  104. you’re! I hate that typo…

  105. if we take the last pet, current st. mine would be….

    Macho Woods he he….

  106. My porn name is Nikki Floraland. Pretty good, huh?

    I never thought Charles was pro-Obama until toward the end. He got pretty irrational then. I haven’t been to MyDD in forever or The Fault either and won’t be. I’m not forgiving or forgetting.

    Did ya’ll see Clyburn was at it again today? The Govs who don’t want Fed $$ are r*cists! He is a one-trick pony.

  107. Snuffy Racine, here.
    Why do we care about Lemos? If he thinks “white ehnics” have a right to superiority complexes, he doesn’t understand the American class system, anyway.

  108. Elsa Hill (meow…)

  109. perhaps the subject of this post would like to bury the hatchet and share his porn name…

  110. Oh and being a gay porn star is right up there on the gay royalty meter with drag pageant winner ….

    Good to know fuzzy!! LMAO

  111. garychapelhill, on February 20th, 2009 at 7:39 pm Said:

    LOL SM love it, you got to go read the last post about how I got my college nickname–cha cha vegas!!!

    LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
    :) That sounds more like a ball drag name, very House of Xtravaganza

  112. Hi- Rudi Carroll here.

  113. cat — pfft — I can tell you his porn name — Miss Fire.

  114. Hey, did ya see a drag queen from near where I live was elected Homecoming Queen at George Mason U? Pretty cool.

  115. sorry I me throw me some Beads angie and Dakini!

    I was going through my pics of mardi graws past and came on on of “ruthie the duck lady” that dougie took-sigh-

    sometime I remember why I loved Mardi Gras so!

  116. perhaps the subject of this post would like to bury the hatchet

    oh i’m sure he would, right in the back of two or three of us…

  117. Gary I was Fluffy Trigger

  118. mine is Dusty Forrest if we’re doing firsts

  119. LOLOLOL at Angie…perfect name!!!

  120. lasts is Honey Royal

  121. I forgot. Her name is Reann Ballslee.

  122. or Karma Poland (take your pick)

  123. bonus points to fuzzy, i mean fluffy :)

  124. Hey, did ya see a drag queen from near where I live was elected Homecoming Queen at George Mason U?

    uh oh…Focus on the Family isn’t going to like that!

  125. Can I fudge the street I grew up on? It doesn’t really work. However, if I can steal from streets I lived on, then I’ve got “Penny Surf”, ‘Penny Park’ or “Penny Beacon”. Which do you kids like best?

  126. I got to judge the Miss Conception Pageant…Little know secret I was a Drag Pageant Judge in the deep south when I wasnt running my notorious gay bar in Pensacola!

  127. penny beacon, a light unto the world…..

  128. Honey Royal is primo.

  129. Then I definitely want Firsts. That makes me Mitzi Cabrillo

  130. Dak, “Dusty Forrest is great for an ancient porn queen/stripper, but doesn’t fit you at all.
    I seem to remember one in the French Quarter, though.

  131. I like “Macho Woods”. My current would be “Oliver Battenburg”.
    Just doesn’t have enough ‘tude.

  132. Angie it is important to know the levels of gay royality!

  133. Penny Beacon.

    What is the street you grew up on though?

  134. Penny Park sounds naughty. Very neat and tidy suburban housewife with a double life. “Is that you Mr. Plumber?”

  135. Anf\gieNC: :) !!! It’s “Kooka” – and that was the name of my parrot

    Catarina, RalphB, FIF: Thank you!!!

    Gary: I like Macho Woods? or better – macho would, as in, Macho “would” do what now??

    FUZZY: YOU’RE KIDDING!!!!!! He is??? Wow! With that beard???? LOVE IT!!!

  136. “Honey Royal”! That’s a winner.

  137. Or rather…Mucho Wood.

  138. Crap if I use my last pet and street name I would be Rutherford NorthWest Tenth Avenue-

  139. Jeeze,

    You guys have been busy. I was over reading the comments on “Chuckie’s” post. He got quite a bit of abuse. I’m sorry to see that Geekesque is still around and just as nasty as ever. And he thinks Boston is a state. LOL!

  140. fif LOL…

  141. Chuckie repeatedly complains about people who couldn’t get his name right. He doesn’t seem to get that they are doing it deliberately becuase he’s such an annoying twit.

  142. And he thinks Boston is a state.

    oy vey

  143. fuzzy — but Prince Albert of Monaco is on the top of the gay royalty pyramid, right? ;-)

  144. SM77-

    Yes and you would never know it to talk to him he is a very humble guy!

    His beard is usually not that color LOL-even Gay men should have their beard and hair colored by proffesionals….doing it yourself is a reciepe for disaster as you saw SM….

  145. angie — I don’t want to say bc not only does it not work, it’s very unusual and would narrow down my identity to about 10 people on this planet.

    I was laughing that Kiki is your IRL name — when I was in high school the “Preppie Handbook” was all the rage and ‘Kiki’ was my ‘translated’ name as a prepster. I always wanted to be called that I couldn’t get anyone to do it!

  146. bb. “boston is a state”? why sure, it’s just one of the 57 :-)

  147. my current pet/street is Pepa Garden. Not too bad.

  148. If i used the middle part it would be Honey Rue Royal

  149. daki: Perfect for New Orleans!

  150. speaking of boobs on royal street or bourbon street and pants down showing man parts, my 11 teenagers are coming in tomorrow in time for Endemyion, i warned them that i don’t want to hear any parents complaining about them showing up on videos some where

  151. Angie-

    Yeah I think he de-throned The Prince Edward Earl of Sevn…LOL

    Now all youPUMA ladies who get to hang with Fuzzy dont expect to meet famous gay porn stars all the time sometimes you just get to meet Rosie O’Donnells Brother!

    For Angie I will make sure she meets a porn star or two…

    Focus on the family will never approve of this site after this thread I am afraid-

    Some one better tell RD-quick

  152. i’m taking horse tranquilizer donations still, btw

  153. First pet and street name makes mine:

    Boots Montana

  154. catarina, on February 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pm Said:

    lol cuca bennington is slut city..

    LOL!!!!!!!!!

    Cuca was the name of my pet parrot, it’s actually a woman’s name – and Cuca is also a Spanish slang word used in the Caribbean for a woman’s southern ladypart.

  155. Valhalla — totally understand about the street name.

    Kiki is your “preppy nickname” — how cute is that!! :-)

    I have 3 nicknames IRL — Kiki is my Greek nickname — most of my American friends call me Angie or Ang.

  156. I’m in moderation!! What’d I say?

  157. Gary,

    Charles freaked out because you quoted a source that the though was low-class or something–some NY conservative paper. And I do mean he freaked out! He just couldn’t stand it that nobody wanted to bow to his expertise about who we could link and who we couldn’t.

  158. Boots Montana is actually quite catchy! LOL

  159. Oh and I think I should forward all those Pampers Emails about me becoming the next Commerce Secretary to Chuckie he seems to like the idea of flying first class and having a spiffy office!

  160. Fuzzy: His beard looked like it was a natural lighter color growing on top of a darker one – it didn’t look that bad – but then again, it’s better to leave it to someone who knows.

  161. fuzzy — I’m coming to FL for sure if I get to meet gay royalty!! LOL

  162. My porn name is Patrick North

  163. bostonboomer, on February 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pm Said:

    Chuckie repeatedly complains about people who couldn’t get his name right. He doesn’t seem to get that they are doing it deliberately becuase he’s such an annoying twit.

    His name is CARLOS, not Charles.

  164. dak — just drink — A LOT. :-)

  165. I remember Chuckles wigging out because somebody mentioned something he posted in the comments about losing money on his stock portfolio or 401k

  166. myiq2xu, on February 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm Said:

    First pet and street name makes mine:

    Boots Montana

    Hannah’s brother?

  167. Remember the comment about CL only flys first class what a snob-

    Boots Montana that is a good one

  168. Mawm — the North isn’t bad but Patrick? no,no, no. Definitely not porny enough.

  169. Hannah’s brother?

    The uncle they don’t talk about

  170. myiq — we remembered about his posting something in the comments about his losing some $ in the 401(k)? He only screamed it at the top of his lungs in post after f*cking post for 48 f*cking hours!

  171. Then he threatened to sue for defamation.

    He probably will, after his boyfriend finishes law school

  172. Angie It is a deal……

    Gary did you and Mawm ever go to the big gay Memorial Day weekend in Pensacola….

    100,000 gays and 13.7 miles of sugar white sand
    Heaven!

    they call it the annual “Mecca to Pensacola” on that weekend no pentecostal in atlanta could get her hair done….there wasnt a gay in that town!

  173. Patrick North must be the Wall Street Accountant Porn name or maybe a CIA agent porn name

  174. Not my first pet, but

    Bully Washington

  175. Myiq2xu-dont you mean after charles boyfriend finishes “middleschool”?

  176. sounds like fun fuzzy

  177. I had a teacher in HS named Richard Kock

  178. I knew a Richard Head

  179. ((((( MAWM!!!! ))))

    Patrick North was a kid I went to Catholic school with back in Massachusetts… how about if we lose the “pa” and call you

    Trick North

    ????

  180. Myiq2xu-dont you mean after charles boyfriend finishes “middleschool”?

    Either way I’m sure the 3 year statute of limitations will expire before he passes the bar.

  181. Dick Kock. Didn’t we all in one way or the other?

  182. Myiq: I remember Chuckles wigging out because somebody mentioned something he posted in the comments about losing money on his stock portfolio or 401k

    Sadly, the person who mentioned that Chuckles lost money, was Chuckles himself. Then he freaked out when someone reminded him about it.

  183. It was Mawm I loved it but Ivan Opal and Erin killed it… now I go to Gay Days in Orlando much better…much gayer!

    “If all the gays quick Disney it would be the worlds largest Self-Service Amusement Park!”

    Oh my next gay event is FUR in Orlando on weekend of April 24-26….LOL

  184. I’ve met a Harry Palmer and a Sharon Beaver

  185. Charles comments seem ridiculous now that he’s taken out MYIQ’s comments – like he’s a paranoid psycho talking to himself.

  186. sm, Trick North it is.

  187. Myiq2xu Carlos knows you are a member of the Bar right when he threatens you right?

    But with you Myiq2xu I am just not sure which corner the bar is on?

  188. Mawm-

    Florida Ursine Retreat….big fuzzy guys hanging around the pool at the Notorious Parliment House Resort on North Orange Blossom Tr…

    It is a fund raiser for Bear Bust…I am supposed to be acutioned off to the highest bidder….

  189. When you become a public figure your rights to claim defamation are restricted.

    I’ve never heard of a case involving bloggers but I’m pretty sure NYT v. Sullivan would apply.

    Truth is always a defense in defamation unless it involves invasion of privacy and if you published it then it ain’t private no more.

  190. fuzzy — ever been to New Orleans for Southern Decadence? (Labor Day Weekend) — now that is “gayer than gay!” (btw — I saw Vince Vaughan tending bar at the Matador one Southern Decadence weekend — and he wasn’t in town filming a movie).

    Or the corner of St. Ann & Bourbon any Saturday night. LOL

  191. fuzzy, I lived in Orlando for a summer and I was well aquainted with the Parliment House.

  192. fuzzybeargville, on February 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm Said:

    It is a fund raiser for Bear Bust…I am supposed to be acutioned off to the highest bidder….

    They’re gonna have to break the bank for you!!!!

  193. Carlos knows you are a member of the Bar right when he threatens you right?

    He didn’t threaten me.

    I kinda wish he would.

  194. MAWM: :) !

  195. Trick North it is

    There’s already a porn star named Peter North

  196. Carlos only threatens women, not men.

  197. He’s my straight cousin

  198. myiq2xu, on February 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pm Said:

    Carlos knows you are a member of the Bar right when he threatens you right?

    Capt. Spaulding has a ticket open to make sure he does the next time.

  199. Whenever someone threatens to sue me I always tell them “Make sure you spell my name right”

  200. sheesh, they don’t even see what I called him on any more, and his take it up with Krugman and Wolf has no reference … covering his a$$ for being an idiot, I guess

  201. He’s my straight cousin

    Most of mine are crooked

  202. Lemos means “the word” in French, and when I first saw his screen name, I thought he was saying he was “the word” on the subject, or kindof like the French equivalent of “Word!(Arms crosses, throwing gang signs). Alas, its Lemos like saying Lemons but without the n, and pretending you actually have a lemon in your mouth. Leeeemos!

  203. Lemos calls Bill Clinton a neoliberal. How could anyone be more neoliberal than Obama. Practically the entire U. of Chi econ dept is in his administration. If anyone is a neoliberal it’s Barack “the puppet” Obama, fan of Milton Friedman.

  204. Angie yes decadance is gayer than gay I was there the year there was this big hair guy in a penis tutu with a urinal on his head behind him was a guy in a shower with a see through courtain and a large sponge over his family jewels!

  205. Capt. Spaulding has a ticket open to make sure he does the next time

    The Captain’s van can make it to SF and back on a tank of gas.

  206. I would not piss on charles if he was on fire-

  207. myiq2xu, remember to wear your adult diapers.

  208. He’s my straight cousin

    Most of mine are crooked

    ——————–

    Ooh, that reminds me of nice background track to run on another tab..

  209. I would not piss on charles if he was on fire

    I’d be happy to, he wouldn’t even have to be flaming

  210. that is ok charles boyfriend takes him around town on his skateboard….in the first class section of course!

  211. ROFLMAO-my IQ hot ea with lemon to clear sinuses

  212. sorry tea not ea

  213. I hate having a head cold….

  214. I’m guessing Chuckles comes from a wealthy family in Columbia that paid to send him to school here because they were ashamed of his sexual orientation.

    He should have left his snooty elitism back there with his homophobic relatives.

  215. Awwww Fuzzy!!!!!

    And it’s beren cold in FL the past couple of nights, go to CVS & get the generic Claritin-D – that will clear you up & out in no time.

  216. Fuzzy,

    Be sure to get some Mucinex for your stuffed sinuses. It really works!

  217. MYIQ: oooh, you are LETHAL. OUCH.

  218. MYIQ: oooh, you are LETHAL. OUCH

    Chuckles started the pie fight – I’m not worried about my reputation

  219. myiq DING DING DING you win the prize!!!!!

  220. BB & SM thanks I sure will

    Myiq2xu- I dont think a person like charles could ruin anyones rep…..I mean he is a little oo====> (prick)

  221. I would also venture to guess that his family is probably a lot more right wing then he would ever want to acknowledge. the rich colonial remnants tend to be that way…

  222. myiq’s reputation! LOL

  223. I’m glad Chuckles chose to start making insults.

    He talked shit about us last Fall and I kept my mouth shut because we had important stuff to worry about.

    He was “unfinished business”

  224. OT, but have you guys seen the new comment settings for wordpress?

    http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/comment-threading-is-here-plus-other-cool-comment-settings/

    I’m not a fan of threaded comments, but being able to break the comments section into pages might save a lot of people’s browsers from crashing.

  225. my thoughts exactly angie!

  226. actually, i was thinking this sorta played right into it

  227. gary — I actually like the comment threading — you could go right to see what so-and-so said about something faster. (If you wanted). It was the only thing I like about TL.

  228. the rich colonial remnants tend to be that way

    The rich liberals tend to pity the plight of lesser peoples

  229. I tend to miss a lot with the threaded comments. I feel like i always have to start all over at the top every time I refresh the page.

  230. we could do a thread with linda ronstadt singing you’re no good as the lead in … just sorta leave it open to interpretation ….

  231. Gary, I’m looking at your link.

    I have reservations about the threading — I sort of like have all our conversations scrambled together.

  232. how about carly simon “your so vain, you probably think this post is about you!” don’t you don’t you….lol :)

  233. i’m with you katie, but the page breaks might help, especially on live blogging threads where comments go past the hundreds…

  234. good one cha cha!!!!

  235. myiq’s reputation! LOL

    The more shit they talk about me, the more my reputation grows

  236. “Iffen he’s so smart why ain’t he rich?”

    That was too funny Myiq! Now let me get back to wiping the diet coke off my screen!

  237. how about Beck’s Loser — soy un perdedor

  238. dakinikat, I kind of always got confused by that song. she’s saying “you probably think this song is about you”, but it IS about whoever she is singing about, so he’s right, not vain, oh wait, I’m confused again :)

  239. angie–perfect!

  240. Better still Angie….Beck—”soy un pendejo!”

  241. I think you are so vain probably plays to the pricks ego of course he is lurking out there watching us and live blogging at myDD….

    00====> (oYo) ok where are my beads?

  242. One reason I maintain a negative pseudonymous identity is it tends to force people to address my arguments on the merits.

    When they call me names I just say “Yeah, so what’s your point?”

  243. ok where are my beads?

    Ya gotta shake ‘em:

    (((o)Y(o)))

  244. Carly’s song was addressing Warren Beatty.. Too good for this guy imo.

  245. One reason I maintain a negative pseudonymous identity

    and the other reason is to impress the ladies. ;-)

  246. how about 3 doors down ‘s loser

  247. Look I the great chuckles am so great that PUMAs shake in fear…

    Looser He probably will dump his high school BF for some one who will look up at him as god…..

    SF moms hide your second grade sons!

    Of course I can bet I know Chuckie’s BF’s words the first time he saw him naked….

    “Gosh Daddy that looks just like a Dick only smaller”

  248. especially the line about there’s nothing left of this mind or soul

  249. fuzzy!!! LMAO!!

  250. i got beads for any one that want’s ‘em …

  251. Carly’s song was addressing Warren Beatty

    James Taylor

  252. Dak Pollys song was “two doors down”….

    I find that if you insult a mans member it usually ruins any chance of a date with him….Darn!

  253. myiq –nope — for years Carly wouldn’t say who the song was about, but about 5 years ago she admitted it was about Warren Beatty. (her lover after she left James Taylor)

  254. Of course you could always play “dont want no short dick man”…when he enters the MyDD chat room

  255. I’m in moderation!

    myiq — the song is about Beatty, not Taylor. She admitted it a couple of years ago.

  256. I guess I couldn’t get in any more trouble than I am already

    Should I do a new thread with Rodney Carrington singing “Show them to me?”

  257. I am just catching up on the posts but I don’t understand why Charles says he “hates” us. He used to come here regularly and most commentators were quite respectful to him.

    Oh well, I am of the opinion that most people are nuts anyway.

  258. who is rodney carrington?

  259. Pat — I don’t hold people being “nuts” against them –lord knows in my family I would be a hypocrite to do so — but I do hold stupid & vile against them.

  260. oh, he’s got one called momma’s got her boobs out

  261. I don’t hold people being “nuts” against them

    Chuckles would probably like people holding their . . . nevermind

  262. oh, i get it now …sheesh

  263. Pat, Charles threw a couple of fits through the summer — claiming that we were crap and he was done with us unless we grovelled to his will. He came back after a day or two each time.

    But, that last time, he went too far. He sent some vicious email messages and some threats. And we had to wipe his existence from the blog.

    He never liked our humor. He always thought that participating in the lighter threads was beneath his dignity.

  264. Ok trivia question who won the best supporting actress roll for her portrail of a teen age tennis player in shampoo?

  265. oh, he’s got one called momma’s got her boobs out

    He’s got one called “Dear Penis” too

  266. he also claimed that if we didn’t pass the first spendfest the economy would collapse. Good thing that didn’t happen….

  267. Fuzzy:

    Too easy – Goldie Hawn

  268. fuzzy — Lee Grant.

  269. myiq — Goldie Hawn won the Oscar for Cactus Flower, not Shampoo.

  270. Lee Grant was a teenager in 1975? Really? I thought she was closer to my mother’s age — but she’s really younger than me?

  271. Goldie Hawn? Lee Grant?

  272. nope, that was carrie fisher wasn’t it?

  273. I still remember Goldie from Laugh-in

  274. I loved Cactus Flower. Ingrid Bergman was wonderful.

  275. Y’all — it was Lee Grant.

    Carrie Fisher never won an Oscar.

  276. I am sure Charles feels vindicated that pampers won and he chose the “winning side” of course with the dow down another 2260 points since election day Charles 401k and $ 7.50 would buy him a coffee at O-mart!

    Poor charles’ 401k he probably uses his shares of BofA as toilet paper!

  277. Lee Grant was a teenager in 1975?

    Wasn’t she the mother in The Omen?

  278. In reading the thread, and following the instructions, my porn name would be just awful.

  279. Wasn’t lee grant the mother and carrie fisher was her daughter that played tennis? or do I have that completely wrong?

  280. I think Lee Grant is in her 60′s. Her daughter is an actress whose name escapes me.

  281. out with it pat….

  282. That was Lee Remick with the green eyes.

  283. very good Lee Grant is correct but now for you carrie fisher fans who house is she living in mnow?

    hint famous hollywood costumer….

  284. Okay: Pokey Rutland

  285. Edith Head?

  286. Lee Grant won the Oscar for Shampoo, but she was no teenager.

    She was born in 1927

  287. I think Lee Grant won the award, but didn’t carrie fisher play her daughter who was a teenage tennis star?

  288. dakinikat: Yes

  289. Carrie Fisher was the teenager — Lee Grant was the Wife

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073692/plotsummary

  290. sorry got the question wrong it was above….Lee grant was not a teen ager….

    But she has been supportive of gay rights making one of the first HBO documentaries on the subject….

  291. Lee Grant was born in 1927 — I just wikipedia’d her.

  292. Dayum. I leave the computer for ten hours and come back to this. I’ll have to go over there and see how far Lemos has after he decided it would be easier to become and Obot and hate on the Clintons.

  293. Wow Pat. On both counts.

  294. Carrie is married to Paul Simon

  295. I am sorry right I got the question wrong she was the wife thats what I get for typing to fast….

  296. I’m gonna do an open thread since this one is full

  297. When we were kids we had no imagination when it came to naming our pets. Every dog we had was named Pokey. Of course we never had to think twice when calling them.

    A neighbor had a champion bulldog named Lady Diane. When he would call her we would roll all over the floor laughing like idiots.

  298. Pat very good!

  299. Browser alert, smoke, smoke..

  300. I don’t remember who played what in Shampoo — I just know who won Oscars — I’ve read the book “Inside Oscar” about 10 times — it not only gives who won each year, but it tells all the dirt that went on during the award season. I love that book!

  301. I had a friend who had an afgan hound named Lady Christy-Lana BlackFire….we called her “here girl”

  302. Carrie is married to Paul Simon

    Divorced

  303. That was when Warren Beatty was someone I could have abandoned home and hearth for.

  304. was married, paul simon is married to ediie from the bohemians now

  305. myiq — Carrie was married to Paul Simon. He is married to Edie Brickell now

  306. Carrie since married a big time Hollywood agent from whom she is now divorced. She is single now. And Debbie is still performing.

  307. Angie, I’ve never missed watching the Oscars since 1965 when Mary Poppins was nominated. But, I’ve never seen that book. I’m addicted to IMDB and I’m sure I look something up in it several times a day.

  308. fuzzy: Good one!

  309. My porn name would be Dolly Peachtree Lane.

  310. Ok How many cups of tea should you get from a teabag?

    I am lucky to get one but I remember on the jeffersons that mama jefferson got 5 cups of tea from each teabag….

    I dont know how she did it? Must have been a championship teabagger?

  311. Pat, I once ran smack into Warren Beatty when I was getting on an elevator and he was getting off. (Abbie Hoffman was IN the elevator and just looked at the floor all the way down)

  312. love the name BB-

  313. bb — drop the “lane” & you’ve got yourself a very good porn name.

  314. New thread up

  315. katiebird: And you breathed the same air as Warren Beatty! I am so impressed.

  316. Pat, I am too — young Katiebird was very lucky…..

  317. My Porn name would be: King Millard. My first dog was a beautiful German Shepherd named King and I lived on Millard st.. What a damn name…

    I think I’ll stick to RedDragon….LOL

  318. RedDragon: I never had a pet, other than the goldfish I had and a second hand dog I acquired as an adult. The dog’s name was Popples but I can’t see that as a serious screen name. So, I’ll shorten it to Poppy. My porn name will be Poppy Whiteoak.

  319. You pretend you;re not defending Santelli while simultaneously attacking anybody who criticizes him. Why don’t you all just get it over with and change your party affiliation to GOP? STOP pretending you’re Dems, and join your true masters.

  320. I have a tiny penis

  321. MaxisAngry: Because we’re not Republicans. We’re true liberals. Did you read our Credo? It’s been up since the site’s inception. You can find it at the top of the page.
    Beats me why Lemos decided we were racists. Just because he says it doesn’t make it so. It also doesn’t make us republican.
    So, how old are you anyway? 22? 18?

  322. I think Chuckie is referring to non-anglo saxon whites.

    That includes Celtics, Nordics, Serbs, Slavs and Latins (like Chuckie)

    I don’t think the **Latins* as in S.A. Latins would fit in with those other groups that well.

    (Yes, I’m just now catching up)

    BTW-How/why would the chuckmeister want or be allowed to post at mydd?

  323. Yes, I read your credo, but I have a hard time believing it’s your real credo. If you voted for or supported McCain/Palin in any way, then that credo means nothing. Sarah Palin is the most illiberal politician in national politics, and why anybody who considers themselves liberal would support or defend such a person is just beyond me.

    And what difference does my age make?

    Look, I’m not terribly happy with Obama so far, because he seems perpetually to be moving to the center, but I just don’t understand why all you PUMAs have held such a grudge for so long.

    All that said, kudos on your site. I like when the little guy (erm…gal) can make a big successful site when there are big corporate web sites out there pretending to be blogs. (Wonkette, for example. You may have heard of them.)

  324. (yawn)

    If it’s that hard for you to believe it’s our real credo then we don’t particularly care.

    Go away, there are plenty of other blogs for you.

  325. Another reason why I don’t comment here any more and hardly ever read. His name is Charles. Not Chuckie. That’s juvenile. It’s worthy of Daily K*s. Furthermore I don’t know what your falling out was about, but at least consider that he holds his views honestly and in good faith, not dishonestly in order to jump on some bandwagon.

    Obama’s supporters accusing Hillary and her supporters of rac1sm poisoned the well. That’s what did it. But YOU have a choice – do you find an antidote by trying, gradually, to move on and stop lashing out at people who didn’t even do it? I will never forget some things that were said and written to me and about Hillary, by people I thought were friends and colleagues.

    But! I am not going to turn around and find every excuse I can to go into high dudgeon, complaining that everyone in the blogosphere isl against me, calling me rac1st, etc. I am not going to go into high dudgeon about Charles’ essay which had nothing to do with PUMA. Consider that he might be honestly making a historical point! It might be on the mark, or not, but it is not about YOU and the fact that you don’t like him any more.

    Finally, if you keep griping and complaining and complaining about how people are going to misinterpret this or that comment and call you rac1st, you are basically daring people to call you rac1st. It’s like you want to bait them into it just so you can stay in high dudgeon. That’s worthy of Michelle Malkin for crying out loud!

  326. “I am not going to go into high dudgeon about Charles’ essay which had nothing to do with PUMA.”

    dg, no offense, but can you please tell me what does and does not have to do with PUMA? I was under the impression that PUMA was about a vision of teh Democratic Party that is different than Obama’s vision. Charles’ essay has a lot to do with using bs classist stereotyping to wholesale discredit groups of people. I’ll give him credit for being super sincere, but that’s still despicable to me. It’s great that Lemos isn’t one of the people who did something to you during the primary, but he’s doing things he needs to be called on now. See, if Lemos were talkimg about the weather or saying something that we agreed with, and instead we chose to complain about things he did before or make up something he didn’ say and attribute it to him, that would be making it about us and teh fact we don’t like him. As it is, we’re disagreeing with something he’s doing we think is destructive for teh future and should be condemned. See the difference?

    And that’s bs about daring people to call us rac ist. We’re not daring anyone to do anything, we’re commenting on Obot tendencies to use baseless accusations of rac ism as a silencing technique. They do it not because of any kind of baiting–did those scum sucking working class scumbags bait them into it by making Obama the President?–but because it’e effective and they can get away with it. Keeping silent and LETTING them get away wth it would seem to invite them to do it more, not less. This is commenting on Lemos AFTER he used this tactic, baiting would come before. “rabid white ethnics,” hello?

  327. Furthermore I don’t know what your falling out was about, but at least consider that he holds his views honestly and in good faith, not dishonestly in order to jump on some bandwagon.

    I didn’t assume anything. Chuckles told us he wanted to jump on the bandwagon in his emails. He insulted us and told lies about us, and he continues to insult and tell lies about us.

    I went to MyDD and posted sustantive responses to Chuckles’ factual inaccurracies. He responded with insults and by deleting my comments.

    If you start a pie fight with a petulant clown ( a name he gave me and I wear with pride) then don’t whine when you get covered with whipped cream.

  328. I just don’t understand why all you PUMAs have held such a grudge for so long.

    Tell you what Max, get your votes get stolen by your own party and then tell me how YOU feel.

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