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Donna Brazile’s BFF may be a despicable human being, but he’s one of the people who tells the media what to think and say.  In today’s WSJ Karl Rove gives us a preview of what is likely to be the media narrative for the next few weeks:

Team Obama demonstrated remarkable discipline during the presidential campaign. From raising an unprecedented amount of money to milking every advantage from the Internet to grabbing lots of delegates from inexpensive caucus states, they left nothing to chance.

And now the administration has scored a major legislative victory in an extraordinarily short period of time. Less than 700 hours after taking the oath of office, President Barack Obama signed the largest spending bill in American history.

Nevertheless, this fast start can’t overcome a growing sense the administration is winging it on issues large and small.

[...]

Team Obama has been living off its campaign reputation for planning and execution. That reputation is now frayed, and all the bumbling and unforced errors will have an impact. Such things don’t go unnoticed on Capitol Hill or in foreign capitals.

The president, a bright and skilled politician, has plenty of time to recover. The danger is that what we have seen is not an aberration, but the early indications of his governing style. Barack Obama won the job he craved, now he must demonstrate that he and his team are up to its requirements. The signs are worrisome. The world is a dangerous place. The days of winging it need to end.

Karl Rove gave Obama advice on how to defeat Hillary during the primary campaign.  If you don’t think Obama listened to the GOP strategist then check out this specific advice from December 2007 on how to win in Iowa:

First, stop acting like a vitamin-deficient Adlai Stevenson. Striking a pose of being high-minded and too pure will not work. Americans want to see you scrapping and fighting for the job, not in a mean or ugly way but in a forceful and straightforward way.

Hillary may come over as calculating and shifty but she looks in control. You, on the other hand, often come over as weak and ineffectual. In some debates, you do not even look at her when disagreeing with her, making it look as if you are afraid of her. She offers you openings time and again but you do not take advantage of them. Sharpen your attacks and make them more precise.

Take the exchange in the Philadelphia debate about Bill and Hillary keeping documents hidden about her role as first lady in his White House. She was evasive. You spoke next. You would have won a big victory if you had turned to her and said: “Senator, with all due respect, you and your husband could release those documents right now if you wanted to. Your failure to do so raises questions among a lot of Americans about what you’re hiding and those questions would hurt our party if you were our nominee.” But your response was weak as dirty dishwater. Do not let other great opportunities pass by.

Second, focus on the fact that many Democrats have real doubts about Hillary. They worry she cannot win, will be a drag on the ticket and that if she got to the White House it would be a disaster. You know better than most what they are worried about; they have told you their fears. It is why you have done so well raising money from Bill’s backers and gaining support from Clinton administration officials. Talk about those doubts. Put them in a bigger context than just the two of you. Remind primary voters that these shortcomings will hurt Democratic chances.

Third, when you create controversies do not pick issues where you are playing the weaker hand. For example, you attacked her for lacking foreign policy experience. It is true she was first lady, not secretary of state, and nobody will ever mistake her for James Baker III. But your qualifications are even thinner; you were a state senator and lived in Indonesia when you were six. Big deal. Americans think she has more foreign policy experience than you – and she does.

Fourth, when you disagree with her be clear about what you believe. You cannot afford more garbled responses like the one you gave in Las Vegas on drivers’ licences for illegal aliens. Answer yes or no. Do not give voters evidence you are as calculating as her.

Fifth, you need to do a better job explaining what kind of change you represent. The change theme is a good one and Democratic voters know you were against the war and represent the idea of something fresh. But they do not know who you really are, what you want to do and where you want to take the country. Taking her down a few notches is step one; telling people who you are is the next. Both are necessary.

Sixth, find a way to gently belittle her whenever she tries to use disagreements among Democrats as an excuse to complain about being picked on. The toughest candidate in the field should not be able to complain when others disagree with her. This is not a coronation. Democrats do not like her sense of entitlement. She is not owed the nomination. It does not belong to her simply because her name is Clinton. So blow the whistle on her when she tries to become a victim. Do it with humour and a smile and it will sting even more.

Hillary comes across as cold, distant and conspiracy-minded, more like Richard Nixon than her sunny, charming husband. During the Clinton presidency she oversaw a disaster (the effort to sell Hillarycare) and argued hard against welfare reform, one of the promises on which he had campaigned. She is a hard-nosed competitor with a tough and seasoned staff.

But her record is weak, her personality off-putting and her support thin. If she wins the nomination it will be because her rivals – namely you – were weak when you confronted her and could not look her in the eye when you did. She is beatable but you have to raise your game. Iowa is your great chance for a breakthrough. Win it convincingly and you can build on it in the contests that follow. Lose it and victory becomes much more difficult.

I have long suspected that Rove and the GOP bigwigs knew they were going to lose the election last year, so they picked a weak and inexperienced Democrat they could destroy once he was in office.  Because the Republican is so tarnished after eight years of George W. Bush, in order to make a fast recovery they needed to claim that the Democrats are worse.

Didn’t it seem like the GOP was just going through the motions last year?  When McCain picked Sarah Palin as his Vice Presidential candidate it shook things up otherwise the election would have boring.  But despite the enthusiasm Palin generated in the rank and file the Republican leadership and their big money backers were M.I.A.

If my suspicions are correct then we will now begin to see something we haven’t seen before – the media treating Obama like a Democrat.

142 Responses

  1. Coming from the person who gave us GWB, this is a bit disingenuous, to say the least.

  2. I don’t trust Rove as far as I could throw Donna B. But the media think he’s a genius.

  3. it does look like amateur hour back there in Washington DC, which may be why obama has left town for an extended tour … but I’m not sure how he’s going to avoid being associated with the chaos

  4. Excellent point om Rove till being the source of media talking points (I remember during the campaign when he said McCain went too far in his attacks)And he didn’t go unrewarded for it either
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/karl-is-with-me-lay-off/

  5. Karl may be the only person who came through the Bush years relatively untattered (well there’s Condi too). Fox really gave him new life.

  6. [...] Karl is being grateful In today’s WSJ Karl Rove gives us a preview of what is likely to be the media narrative for the [...]

  7. the one thing Turdblossom does know about is about rustling elections, but I don’t think he’s one to speak to excellence in governing … considering the mess Dubya made of it and he was central to the administration

  8. It hurts to hear the truth from a raging criminal assh*le like Rove, but he’s right.

    And what does Obama do to deflect negative press? He skips town for a week while the country crumbles.

  9. Condi’s sure fallen off the national radar hasn’t she? I saw turdblossom and darth vader on Fox the other day while i was channel flipping… didn’t watch it, I still have an automatic gag reflex to Cheney… they’re out stirring shit as usual

  10. Rove is indeed a raging criminal blankhole BUT he is super smart about politics. Who else could have gotten Dubya elected, excuse me selected, not once but twice??

  11. dakinikat, yes!

    Rove: “Barack Obama won the job he craved, now he must demonstrate that he and his team are up to its requirements.”

    Substitute Bush. Rove had a hand in W’s not being up to “its requirements”. So Rove has helped another lackluster (putting it mildly) candidate achieve office. Karma, wherefore art thou Karma??

  12. well, that speech yesterday certainly didn’t cause the market to rally, again not enough details to figure out if will actually help

  13. Please rescue my comment and erase this one. Thanks.

  14. I think Obama’s reputation for competence was bogus in the first place.

  15. Purplefinn:

    A troll tried to post some racist stuff using your alias.

    Spammy wasn’t fooled

  16. It’s not clear exactly what he is talking about.

    Is it the economic plan? The cabinet messes?

    But he says “the world is a dangerous place,” which sounds like foreign policy, where the current team clearly has its act together.

    So it comes off as a random, throw-something-at-the-wall political attack.

  17. myiq2xu, I’m grateful for that.

  18. myiq can you get the ip address?

  19. So it comes off as a random, throw-something-at-the-wall political attack.

    I guess I wasn’t clear – I’m not saying that Rove is correct, I’m saying that what Rove is saying is likely to become the media narrative. The media narratives become the filter for everything.

    Remember how during the primaries the narrative was that Obama was inevitible? The media used that to frame the news – so when Hillary came back to win big victories in PA, WV, KY and other places the media said “too little, too late” even though she eventually won the popular vote.

  20. myiq can you get the ip address?

    Yep

  21. Been going to Bloomberg more since Murdoch took over the Wall Street Journal. Fully expected Karl and Peggy Noonan to come out against the Democrats, the double barrel shotgun at the WSJ. The Journal will probably also migrate their support away from CNBC to Fox Business. CNBC has the talent right now, but Fox has the money.

  22. Team Obama has been living off its campaign reputation for planning and execution. That reputation is now frayed, and all the bumbling and unforced errors will have an impact.

    That’s because Team Obama’s reputation was not deserved — it was created by the msm, which covered up all his bumbling & errors.

  23. It isn’t at all surprising to hear from anyone that Nobama is “winging it.” All he’s done in his career is campaign, get elected, then campaign for the next job.

    We see him still campaigning in Denver, Mesa, and Washington. He is no leader.

    Zero executive experience. Zero effectiveness at assembling a qualified cabinet. Zero abillity to even present a veneer of bipartisan support. More than half the country is pissed off already, 30 days in.

    It reminds me of the Joker’s line in Dark Knight: “I’m like a dog chasing cars. I wouldnt know what to do if I caught one.”

  24. The scariest part of the Obama Administration is that we have YET to fill Secretary of Commerce and Secretary of Health and Human Services positions. And in our dire times, these two are the most important positions.

    WTF IS GOING ON???????????

    Why is it the middle of FEBRUARY and there’s NOBODY YET????

    All of this should’ve been taken care of before the oath ever took place!! They should’ve at least had 3-4 people lined up in case the prime candidate didn’t work out.

  25. It’s not that Rove is a genius but the people he is competing against are so dim he shines by comparison.
    The Dem leaders were hoping for a candidate like George W. and they got their wish in Obama.
    We can only hope that he has better advisers than dick Cheney.

  26. ack! I’m in Spammy and HBG/ABG want to make troll babies – help!!!

  27. ack! I’m in Spammy and HBG/ABG want to make tr*ll babies – help!!!

  28. Obama should follow Rove’s advice and act forcefully and decisively – by having the Justice Department work on compelling Rove to answer the Congressional subpoena!

  29. So the MSM may start treating Obama like a Democrat, problem is does Obama know he is supposed to be a Democrat? So far I have seen no evidence of a Democratic awakening in him.

  30. poplicola, on February 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Exactly and well said . For PUMA this is not a new flash. But it will be interesting if we see this more and more of this in the MSM since Rove has now sanctioned it as a reality.

  31. WTF IS GOING ON???????????

    I’m guessing you won’t hear another nomination made until they are absolutely sure the person won’t have to withdraw.

    They can’t afford anymore of those

  32. Sixth, find a way to gently belittle her whenever she tries to use disagreements among Democrats as an excuse to complain about being picked on. The toughest candidate in the field should not be able to complain when others disagree with her. This is not a coronation. Democrats do not like her sense of entitlement. She is not owed the nomination. It does not belong to her simply because her name is Clinton. So blow the whistle on her when she tries to become a victim. Do it with humour and a smile and it will sting even more.

    He followed that advice to the letter.

    Does anyone else remember Why Bill Clinton was so attractive? Was it because he was “sunny, (and) charming ” or was it because he was not afraid to surround himself with the best brains for the job.

  33. You would think that Tom Daschle would have warned Obama – even if you do everything the Republicans want they will still go after you like rabid zombies.

  34. Those Barry are tapping for these jobs seem to think they will get the huge pass on everything that Barry got ….but it’s compleatly non transferable! Daschle had two years at least to clean up his act….I mean come on!

  35. Daschle apparently believed/believes that the partisanship of the 90s was all the Clintons’ fault.

  36. myiq2xu, I second your suspicions. I think the GOP knew they couldn’t win after the disasterous Bush Administration, so they helped Obama win knowing it would be easier to tear him down than it would be to go after Hillary. That’s why I wish Obama would quit playing his “I want to be bipartisan..” BS and start doing everything he can for working people. We waited through the entire election cycle for the GOP to open their arsenal against Obama, but they never did. I think we’re starting to see the attack machine getting warmed up.

  37. Maybe Obama is thanking Rove for his advice during the primaries??

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_not_Bush_now_seeking_delay_0217.html

    Obama quietly seeks “compromise” to prevent Rove from testifying to Congress.

  38. willysimmons, I saw that coming too.

  39. Willy:

    Obama wants to preserve “executive privilege” and every other power-grab of the previous administration.

  40. Well I’m not surprised Rove said it. a) Karl Rove is first and foremost an opportunist and the GOP has signalled that it is now time to attack. I’m betting he’s chomping at the bit to shape his next protege’ b)Barack Obama’s plan announcements on a daily basis smack of “winging it”.

    Karl Rove, alter ego of Captain Obvious.

  41. Now that he has to govern, his foolish campaign rhetoric and promises are tripping him up.

  42. daydream:
    Obama has fled to Canada and won’t be coming back..

  43. Gaaaah!

    I clicked on a link to Powerline at Memeorandum and the page that opened had Ann Coulter’s picture at the top and bottom.

    They should put a NSFW warning on stuff like that.

  44. ps good post myiq !

  45. I don’t see much difference between Obama and the GOP….I think his ” bipartisanship” is the most sincere thing about him /snark. Both he and Rove are working for the top 1%. They are brothers in arms.

  46. Wasn’t Obama’s lack of preparedness the main reason PUMA was born? If we had thought he was ready to do more than “wing it” from the beginning, there probably wouldn’t have been the outrage. Then again, if he was qualified and ready, he wouldn’t have had to cheat.
    Who needs Rove to point out the obvious besides Donna Brazile?

  47. Then there is the stimulus itself. Mr. Obama’s economic team met with congressional leaders in December to green light a bill costing up to $850 billion. But they described less than $200 billion of what they wanted in the envelope. In return for outsourcing the bill’s drafting to Congress, the administration took on two responsibilities: running polls to advise Hill Democrats on how to sharpen their marketing, and putting the president on the road to sell a bill others wrote.

    running polls to advise Hill Dems on how to sharpen their marketing?????? Is that how they’re governing on polls? WTF

  48. To use a sports analogy the GOP is in a rebuilding phase. They have nothing to gain as a party by helping Obama succeed, and helping him to fail is their quickest route to regaining Congress and the WH

    Anyone who thinks they are gonna play nice is smoking hopium

  49. That reference to the Phila. debate did bring back some ugly memories. That was the turning point – the disgusting hypocrite and womanizer Edwards snarling in her face… don’t get me started on those crooked biased moderators.

    And by the way, that “document” thing was a complete lie trumped by that prick Russert. Hillary was on the backfoot because she had no friggin’ idea what he was talking about.

  50. running polls to advise Hill Democrats on how to sharpen their marketing

    Oh jeez…

    another chance to criticize Obama by comparing him to Clinton, no doubt.

    Disgusting, all of this.

  51. myiq, exactly.

    So they are acting as they did in 1993-94, hoping to get similar results.

  52. So they are acting as they did in 1993-94, hoping to get similar results

    But Obama doesn’t have the Big Dawg’s mad skills, and the country wasn’t in deep doo-doo back then.

  53. Edwards was there to sink Hill from the get-go. I never forget Axelrod ran Edwards campaign years earlier. Edwards only ran to help sink Hill.

  54. I’d buy a used car from Bill.

    I wouldn’t trust Barack to sell bootleg DVDs. His would probably be the real crappy kind made with a camcorder with a finger covering the damn lens.

  55. AP story regarding all the ethics problems dems are facing and recalling the “culture of corruption” attacks dems used on repubs to gain their majorities. I guess this will be helping the repubs get control of the house and senate again at the mid terms.

    http://tinyurl.com/bfodjq

  56. okay, I just saw an ad on CNN with obama and how wonderful the recovery as a first step is going to be …

    why are we getting campaign ads?

    does any one besides me find a problem with that?

    didn’t see who paid for it, but i’m really going to look next time

  57. and why would CNN even run it? Doesn’t it conflict with them covering the recovery act in some unbiased way?

  58. kat -
    I’m afraid that we’re in for 4 years of campiagning rather than the customary 2 …I mean they don’t know how to govern
    it’s all they got.

  59. there is no modicum of neutrality left on CNN any more

  60. dakinikat….. I saw one ad this a.m. I am not sure if it was the one you saw but I am pretty sure it was paid for by some labor union( can’t remember the initials). AT the end they ask you to call and “thank” the pres. for the stimulus. sheeesh

  61. I don’t know what’s happening to me. I don’t hate Rove with the same vigor I used to. Axelrod has taken his place.

    I’ve basically just thrown my hands ups regarding this mess. I’ve lost all confidence that this government can do anything other than campaign. We are all own our own.

  62. What kills me about this is that PUMAs knew the GOP was going to do this…and no Obots would ever ever listen (I’m talking to you, BTD).

    How many times do we have to repeat: Democrats are NEVER media darlings. After all, David Broder knows that there is still a chance, albeit a faint one, that Obama will somehow morph into someone who gives a sh*t about the working class.

    The Powers That Be will never allow that to happen.

  63. Edwards only ran to help sink Hill

    Edwards ran to win and he was the early choice of the ABC (anyone but Clinton) crowd.

    Axelrod did his magic like he did in Obama’s Senate race and leaked news about Edward’s having an affair. Even though the MSM wouldn’t touch the story it was enough to switch the ABC support to Obama.

    RD talked about it before – how in December 2007 suddenly the cheetos went from Edwards-Obama-Clinton to Obama-Clinton-Edwards.

    Edwards dropped out in January and the Clinton supporters were driven out of Cheetoville.

  64. Obama IS the Powers that Be. He is the President of the United States.

    p.s. as i typed this, I made a typo and said he is the Posers that be. Maybe should have let that stand.

  65. Dakinikat, we’re getting campaign ads because the Obama team learns fast. They figured out, not much long after we did, that he sucks at presidenting. They figure his long suit is campaigning, so the, pretty publicly, decided to shift back to campaign mode. That’s why he’s on the road, but that wasn’t the only aspect they mean to exploit. When they say campaign mode, they mean full metal campaign mode. I don’t know who’s paying for it though, but with the O Team’s knack for creative financing, I’m not sure that’s even knowable.
    And, as for conflict, no such animal anymore. Journalists are “embedded” in the White House in oh, so many creative ways nowadays. Besides, isn’t CNN the network that gave us a Surgeon General?

  66. Rove is always worth hearing, to me. He and Carville both have the best minds in the political business.

    Agree or disagree isn’t so much the point as respecting the skill and astute minds of both of those guys.

    I frankly think ONLY those two are worth hearing when it comes to strategy discussions. The rest of the talking heads pretend to know what they are talking about.

    Really, if I’m reading correctly, Rove is only saying the obvious. The mistakes pile up eventually. My disagreement would be that Obama took the job during the worst crisis in my lifetime. That’s a situation that would generate more mistakes than usual.

    What I personally see is what Bill C. said this week: “People will expect to see some results from all this money in a year.”

    I agree.

  67. why are we getting campaign ads?

    Who is paying for them?

    I don’t mean the 527 group, I mean who is really paying for them?

  68. He’s campaigning for 2012 and that is the only thing that interests BO…the office not yet gained.

    If King of Mars was available, he’d want that . And Obots would be telling us he MUST be King of Mars before the good things shower down .

  69. When Carter left, unemployment and inflation were still higher than today. As far as I can tell, it is still Reagan who became President during the worst economy in my lifetime.

  70. Forget Rove. You’re gonna be kissin’ his feet before this is over – check this out
    Smelling a RAT LOOK WHAT GOT SLIPPED INTO THE PORKULUS BILL!

    The provision, which attracted virtually no attention in the debate over the 1,073-page stimulus bill, creates something called the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board — the RAT Board, as it’s known by the few insiders who are aware of it. The board would oversee the in-house watchdogs, known as inspectors general, whose job is to independently investigate allegations of wrongdoing at various federal agencies…. First, let’s ask ourselves how this stimulates the economy. Why include this in an emergency stimulus bill when it has nothing to do with stimulus or economics? …. How did it get into Porkulus? Grassley says it wasn’t in the original bill passed in the Senate, and it suddenly appeared in the conference version. No one has claimed ownership of the RAT Board yet… Read the rest at HotAir.com

    Putting IGs under Nancy Pelosi’s thumb eliminates transparency and accountability, and calling it an Accountability and Transparency Board is a grim joke. It’s simply a mechanism to shut down potentially embarrassing (or worse) IG investigations while commanding others against political foes.

    God help us all.

  71. we’re about below the intraday low for the bear market … it’s will be below the low after 9-11

    sheesh, this is getting bad

  72. Obama IS the Powers that Be

    He’s an employee.

    You don’t really think Ronald McDonald is running Mickey D’s do you?

  73. Those two cabinet seats might be more difficult to fill now than 2/3 months ago. Who in their right mind would want to be part of such an administration during such difficult times.

    It is one thing to be part of a winning team, another to be part of a loosing its luster one, specially in the mist of a Huricane.

    Well of course they’ll find some ego tripping suit to fill the seats. But will they be hard working and efficient. I doubt it, if only for the boss they’ll have.

  74. I have a theory that BO really didn’t expect to win the nomination nor the presidency. I think he perhaps was running to get his name “out there” and hoped for at best 2nd place on a Clinton ticket. The msm and the power brokers saw his candidacy as a chance to throw off the shackles of Clintonism (since they have always hated the Clintons) and so pushed him ahead with everything from fraud to nonexistent press coverage.

    All of his supposed “cool under pressure” really was BO’s learned method of faking it which people gladly took up and interpreted how they wanted. My guess is that his grades in school weren’t all that good and that he’s not really all that smart, but he learned how to charm his way through floating by on other’s accomplishments.

    Now that he has the job, his unpreparedness and lack of experience is harder and harder to cover up, so he’s going into constant campaign mode (the only thing he’s ever really done) and he is making things up as he goes along. He only had one or two ideas of what he wanted to do; maybe more, but didn’t think he’d actually ever be called upon to do anything. He’s had about 5 vacations since November.

  75. we hit that level, there will be another crazy sell off

  76. Cinie: don’t you think folks are tired of electioneering?

  77. AnninCA,
    I agree. Rove does make sense. His observations are usually dead on.

  78. Obama IS the Powers that Be. He is the President of the United States.

    Nope. He is the puppet of the banks and big corporations who really run things. That includes the news media, which is owned by the same group of plutocrats.

    Due to Obama’s incredibly obvious ineptness at actually governing or doing anything but standing in front of adoring crowds masturbating with a TeleprompTer, the Republicans are poised to redesign, rebuild and make a massive comeback as the party of the people. See: Michael Steele, Sarah Palin.

    The plutocrats were just pretending to lurv Obama. Now the gloves are coming off. Obama is Jimmy Carter without the brains or liberal ideas. He may not even last the full term.

    We f*cking told them so.

  79. After the bipartisan stimulus fiasco, Rahm probably said you need to go directly to the people, they’ll bring Congress around.

    They don’t need to sell the recovery. They need to define it, then execute it. The administration is starting to look like Wagoner at GM. Pitching for more money from taxpayers, without having a clear cut plan in the briefcase.

    He’s barely doing the job of White House Press Secretary. He’s turning himself into a second rate lobbyist. A salesman, that’s it. We need strategy!! Who’s doing strategy for the economy. Maybe Volcker needs to get more visible.

    Meanwhile, the pie in the sky financial bulls are sounding positively delusional. They just don’t want to come down from the acid trip.

  80. If Edwards ran to win , then he was a bigger fool than I thought. Axlrod must have known about the affair and the child…. hell, I can see him introducing the woman to Edwards, lol! I believe Axelrod ran the campaign they met on! Axelrod could sink Edwards at any moment during the 08 campaign, and Edwards had to know he would . So if Edwards ran to win, he’s a bigger fool than I thought.

  81. Rove got GWB elected twice, but otherwise he was a disaster.

  82. How can you have an unbiased media when it serves journalists self interests to make nice with politicians because they may someday want to get a job with them?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18971.html

  83. I’m trapped in moderation and….. omg!! Something smells reallybad in here!

  84. Obama and Michelle recently threw a party for leaders from “progressive” organizations.

    Here is how one participant described the purpose:

    “it’s very clear that there will need to be an echo chamber and a way for groups on the outside to build the case for big progressive legislation.”

    I ask, how can any self-respecting organization, whose supposed mission it is to promote progressive policy, describe their role as being to establish an “echo chamber” for a politician’s agenda? How can they utter that phrase, in public, without a hint of embarrassment?

    Of course, the fact is that that has already happened — Mission Accomplished! (And what a surprise that MoveOn was one of the organizations represented.)

  85. paper doll

    I agree with myiq. I think Edwards really wanted it. It wasn’t his first error in judgement and I doubt it will be his last if you go by his track record.

  86. Three Wickets, on February 19th, 2009 at 12:15 pm Said:….. He’s barely doing the job of White House Press Secretary. He’s turning himself into a second rate lobbyist.

    That’s what I was thinking…..I believe the world demanded Hill be SOS. Competency HAD to there

  87. Edwards wanted that job so badly his teeth hurt. Stupid me, I supported him over Clinton at first.

  88. Something smells reallybad in here!

    Eau de Troll

  89. frankly0 – Catapulting the propaganda is now the job of Blogosphere 1.0. They did it so well in the primaries – why not continue?

    O’Stalin is creating his own Pravda.

  90. Whoever is paying for them is STUPID…..the stimulus bill passed already. I really don’t see a purpose to mindless cheerleading unless there are subliminals hidden in the ad.

  91. If Edwards had won in Iowa and his affair stayed off the radar he would probably be President now

  92. I think I found the ad…It’s afscme

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX4RLuS46Fw

    sure looks like a campaign ad

  93. cwaltz, on February 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Then its official, he’s an idjit lol!

  94. I read somewhere that the labor unions agreed to help the Dems and Obama with pr for the stimulus.

    It makes sense from their point of view.

  95. madamab

    You weren’t stupid. Alot of his ideas were good. The messenger was flawed, not the message.

  96. Dani, are people tired of ‘electioneering?” Yes and no. First of all, credit must be given where credit is due. The Obama pr machine is brilliant. Therefore, they’ve not only managed to accentuate the positive and downplay the negative, they’ve even been able to wrap a pretty bow around some of the negative and package it as positive. To borrow myiq’s McDonald’s analogy, it’s like putting a crap sandwich in a Big Mac box and selling it as part of a Happy Meal. A lot of people would probably buy such a thing, eat it, and never know the difference. And, it probably wouldn’t matter whether they like Big Macs in the first place, or not.

  97. The thing with Edwards is with every campaign , he got less support. That’s not how it’s supposed to go.
    And I thought Elizabeth was the best part to the Edwards apparatus. An affair with a child, for a Dem , would never be off the radar indefinitely ….it’s a ticking time bomb .

  98. Cinie – plus, Bush has been doing the same exact thing for 8 years.

    People are now used to a President who is nothing more than a salesman, and who refuses any accountability or responsibility for his actions.

    The problem with Bush was that people finally realized they were eating a crap sandwich. I don’t think it will take eight years for those same people to realize that Obama’s still selling crap.

  99. I disagree on that myiq

    I think it was money that sunk him rather than the affair. He was having alot of trouble competing against 2 juggernauts who could raise cash. He did okay in Iowa but he did so primarily because he put alot of effort in there prior to the campaign. He did likewise with the unions. IMO the unions didn’t support him though because they saw the cash flow issues. The lack of big union support was a death knell.

    I’m not sad he lost though knowing as I do about the affair. It’s just one error in judgement too many(Iraq, bankruptcy bill) even though I do consider it a personal rather than professional one. I do consider myself grateful to him for setting the pace and putting issues like health care at the forefront and making the candidates do more than dither on abortion or gun control.

  100. I’m in moderation.

  101. If Edwards had won Iowa they would have pressured Obama to drop out and support him, and he would have probably been promised the VP job. All the money and endorsements that went to Obama would have gone to Edwards instead.

    The DNC and the media wanted ABC

  102. the commenter, on February 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I agree with every word, elderj – this is exactly my take on the O-phenom.

    As for Rove: despise him as I do, he’s simply pointing out what we long ago observed – the emperor standing there stark naked, while the MSM raise hallelujah choruses to nonexistent ermine and gold, and the gullible peons sink further into economic hardship. Rove is dirty, but so is the Dem leadership. The latter is ethically impoverished and deeply, deeply compromised. No wonder they chose Obama; theirs was an exercise in purest narcissism.

  103. It only makes sense if they can use it as leverage for Obama to support the Employee Free Choice Act or arbitrates heavily pro union in auto bailout. Otherwise paying to cheerlead for an already passed bill seems shortsighted.

  104. cwaltz, on February 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Agreed. If it’s a matter of being stupid , madamab is never the running! He seemed a good bet at the time. When I say Edwards was there to sink Hill, it’s hindsight .

  105. myiq – I disagree. The Obama phenom was non-transferable. No one but a black guy could have beaten Hillary, because no one but a black guy could have played the r*ce card that weakened her and Bill so severely.

    Had Edwards won Iowa, Hillary would have creamed him elsewhere. She would have been the candidate. Plus, Obama has had years to build up his network of financiers. Again, not transferable to Edwards.

    IMHO.

  106. While we are terming it “electioneering,” it is really the equivalent of desk clerks talking on the phone to dial tones. It is movement, the appearance of “doing something” to give the illusion of action. What alternative do they have — Geithner looks like he’s selling worms, Daschle has slithered back to his quasi-legal/lobbying and the Air Force is thinking about how to harness Biden for new drone technology.

    MyIq is right, there’s a new offensive afoot — Blankley lobbed his incompetence theory yesterday and Rove followed up today — right on time for the chattering coffee clatches that start taping tomorrow afternoon.

  107. Agree too, enderj. The accidental president.

  108. Shoot! I’m in moderation because I used the words “bl*ck guy.” I’m assuming that is the only way to catch our persistent wacko tr0ll.
    :-)

  109. I think it was money that sunk him rather than the affair.

    Edwards raised $50 million, which normally would have been a lot. But Obama raised twice as much, and Hillary even more. The rest of the pack combined raised less than Edwards.

    There was manuvering behind the scenes over who to support, E or O – O won. The affair was the nail in the coffin.

    IIRC, Obama was running a close third in Iowa until December 2007, then he surged into the lead.

  110. MadamaB, I’ll probably get slammed for this, but Kennedy wrote the book on the toothy Spokesmodel-in-Chief, imo. I always thought, even when he was governor of California, that Reagan was a front man. I think Clinton was supposed to fill the bill, so to speak, but didn’t take orders too well. Obama is just another actor who plays president on TV. The way we’re going, Vanna White will probably be the first woman elected president.

  111. Prolix:

    the Air Force is thinking about how to harness Biden for new drone technology.

    Wow.

    (applause)

  112. Slightly O/T, but this morning’s paper stated that Teh One currently has a 67 percent approval rating. That’s one of the most depressing statistics out there.

  113. Cinie – I’m not old enough to remember Kennedy, so I won’t comment on that. But as for Vanna, at least she wouldn’t wear nubbly couch fabric to her inauguration.
    ;-)

  114. That was a pretty big if though myiq. The fact that he didn’t win Iowa when the perception was he had been there forever and a day hurt him(even though if you look at time spent actively campaigning it was about equivalent to the other two.

    I don’t think the media wanted Edwards either. I think they chose Obama to be the rube who will take the fall and take down ideas like “give money to the bottom to improve the economy.” I don’t believe the upper echelon believe that Obama can execute progressive ideals. I think they further think they can hamper him because of his naive position on partisanship.

  115. Kat5 – Give it six months.
    :evil:

    Meanwhile, in Canada he has an 81% approval rating. Why we are tracking his approval rating in Canada, I couldn’t tell ya.

  116. It was at 72%. He’s dropping. I’m betting he’ll drop more if he doesn’t manage to get as handle on the economy.

  117. The only things that are secret in Washington are those things that haven’t happened yet. Edwards served his purpose as the third racquetball wall — after that he was as as “open” to disposal as a sealed divorce file in BZero’s senate campaign.

  118. Cinie:

    Reagan was no rocket scientist but he had some core beliefs. Obama doesn’t.

    Bill Clinton wasn’t supposed to win, he was just supposed to run a token campaign and lose. Then some stuff happened and he won. They will never forgive him for that.

  119. new thread up – Obama “surges” in Afghanistan.

  120. C’waltz, Obama only ever wanted to be prom king. I don’t see his post-partisanship schtick as naivete, but rather a ‘look at me, pick me’ ploy whose only end is to serve his popularity offensive.

  121. Prolix, on February 19th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Well put

  122. Obama’s approval rating is meaningless until 2010, and then it will be meaningless until 2012.

    Reagan would have lost if he ran for reelction in 1982, but in 1984 he was unbeatable.

    Poppy Bush was unbeatable in 1990, but he retired early.

    The Big Dawg went down, then up, then up some more.

  123. Time for lunch…I hope to have a new play for you all tomorrow!
    :-)

  124. That was a pretty big if though myiq

    2008 was the year the Democrats could nominate an empty suit and win.

    The party leaders were determined that Hillary wasn’t going to be the nominee. They were going to unite behind either Obama or Edwards.

    In December 2007 they picked Obama

  125. Obama strikes me as the guy who wants everyone to like him. You can’t be all things to all people all the time and still be true to yourself(not if you have core values). It just doesn’t work.

    Sadly, the time for him to figure out who he is and what he believes first and foremost should not be while our economy is collapsing. We’re in for a bumpy ride and I will not be the least surprised if the same opportunists that took advantage of Bush because he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the pack will take advantage of Obama’s desire to be loved.

  126. Kat5

    I hope you’re right because I believe the guy believes it. I think he genuinely wants the GOP to like him and his ideas.

  127. I think Obama, like Bush, knows who he is…it’s the rest of us who have to find out . He’s the same guy who partied with his South Side constituents’s slumlord as they froze

  128. Well if it was an empty vessel they wanted- they got it.

    It will probably be their downfall in 4 years time but hey- who needs foresight.

  129. It didn’t take a genius to install W anymore than it didn’t take one to install Obama. Our moribund democracy with its corrupt media makes it possible for money to sway enough masses and corruption to ignore enough votes for any imbecile to prevail.
    I assure you, Had Toni Soprano had the FBI and the treasury behind him, he could have installed a way dumber candidate.(I think Toni is smarter than Rove)

  130. oops! Spamy got me!

  131. I lack basic reading comprehension skills.

  132. Yes you do Tom.

    Did you miss the part about Karl Rove being a despicable human being?

  133. I do not believe it was our faction of the democratic party that took campaigning advice from the guy Tom. Most of us loathe what Rove represents and weren’t willing to sell our principles down the river just to win as he suggested.

  134. I think the DNC, the media, and big corporations
    (insurance, pharma, etc.) wanted ABE (anyone but
    Edwards, first of all), as evidenced by completely
    ignoring him, then ABC. Which left us with -
    ta da – our pal.

    Both Clinton and Edwards were too much of a threat,
    Edwards most of all. He refused to take their money.
    Remember when Chamber of Commerce came out
    and said they would not allow him to be pres., that
    they would throw millions of dollars to keep him out.
    Their meme was that he was anti-business, which was
    not true. He was anti big conglomerates, liked small
    business, though.

    Either he or Hillary would have made a great leader, both
    champions of the little guys.
    But what was he thinking, guessing his affair would never
    come out? That was dumb. And I think Obama knew about it
    and used it. Maybe the DNC, too, although they’re not very
    bright. I also thought he was being sabotaged by his own
    handlers – maybe Trippi. That idea to attack Hillary in the
    debate was very stupid. Should have gone after Obama.

  135. How come Canada gets a PM that doesn’t stutter and acts like he knows what he’s talking about off of a teleprompter?

    Sigh

  136. cwaltz, on February 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm Said:

    Whoever is paying for them is STUPID…..the stimulus bill passed already. I really don’t see a purpose to mindless cheerleading unless there are subliminals hidden in the ad.

    Of course there are subliminals in the ad.

  137. janicen, on February 19th, 2009 at 11:18 am Said:
    “myiq2xu, I second your suspicions. I think the GOP knew they couldn’t win after the disasterous Bush Administration, so they helped Obama win knowing it would be easier to tear him down than it would be to go after Hillary. That’s why I wish Obama would quit playing his “I want to be bipartisan..” BS and start doing everything he can for working people. We waited through the entire election cycle for the GOP to open their arsenal against Obama, but they never did. I think we’re starting to see the attack machine getting warmed up.”
    ***********************

    Yes, yes and damn straight. The repubs were saving it all for when Pres 0 got elected cause all they have is 2010 on their minds. The resulting rift in the Dem Party is just playing into Rove’s hands. I always said that the contest btw a Dem black man and a white woman was Rove’s wet dream! I never thought Rove was a genius but he is ruthless and unscrupulous — easy when you have no soul !

  138. “Due to Obama’s incredibly obvious ineptness at actually governing or doing anything but standing in front of adoring crowds masturbating with a TeleprompTer, ”

    Oh No MadamaB — you didn’t just go there… LMFAO :O

  139. I never thought Rove was so much a genius as much as he had the advantage that comes with fighting dirty. If you’re willing to use every underhanded whisper campaign tactic you can get away with, and the media is gobbling up all your talking points, it’s hard to loose.

    Sound at all familiar? Kinda puts Rove & Brazil’s buddy-buddy in a new light…But maybe she was set up. I think the Republicans accepted that their brand was shot, and threw the election so they could try to regroup on their own terms. Remember when Rove was pushing the “Palin’s gone rogue” meme? Made me wonder who’s side he was on.

    I think Rove (like pumas) had a premonition that with Donna’s “new coalition” it wouldn’t take the Dems 8 years to be in the same position the Repubs are in now.

    On second thought, maybe he is a genius…

    update: Looks like I agree w/ janicen @ 11:18 am &

    FembotsForObama @ 5:53 pm :
    “I never thought Rove was a genius but he is ruthless and unscrupulous — easy when you have no soul !”

    Yup! “Unscrupulous” was the word I was looking for — just like AxelRove…

  140. NEWSFLASH!

    U.S. PRESIDENT OBUMMER HAS FLED TO CANADA TO SEEK ASYLUM. THE IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE BOARD IS NOW CONSIDERING HIS APPLICATION. CANADIANS ARE MARCHING IN OTTAWA TO PROTECT THEIR PRECIOUS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, WOMEN’S CONSTITUTIONALLY ENTRENCHED RIGHTS, GAY MARRIAGE AND OTHER DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS THAT THIS REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT HAS DEMONIZED.

  141. thanks

    very good

    :)

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